There's actually this great dialogue moment in Chronicles where Tails suggests not immediately distrusting Eggman, and Omega decides Tails must have gone crazy and recommends mercifully ending his life.
@@mr.j1401 I never actually read the Archie comics. (I was born way after the series was going and was way too young to really get interested in that version of the franchise) but I still hear horror stories about Ken Penders. Here’s hoping IDW will take better care of Sonic.
@@wumpus976 Currently reading the IDW Comics, they have been doing pretty well so far (considering it's going into it's third year and going through a shift in the head writing team). Two limited spinoffs, two major arcs completed with a third arc seeming to be bubbling under the surface; it's going fairly well for the most part. Though the only knock against it is that Sega is hovering over the IDW team to makesure things don't go wrong and 2020 not being helpful on getting comics out to stores on time.
@@moca-pocalypseoctohog3045 i'd definitely say Blaze has it the worst. They messed up her whole background and timeline with 06, and completely wasted her potential. She's just as fast as Sonic and Shadow in HEELS and has very powerful pyrokinetic powers. She's also THE most fleshed out sonic character. 😐 Yet now she's just...there. Please if they make an Adventure 3 ( which they should ) she HAS to be a main playable character.
I want the Sonic Chronicles soundtrack to play at my funeral so that when everybody hears the music they end up passing away immediately and join me in the afterlife
You know how people usually say that Sonic games have good soundtracks no matter how dysfunctional the game is mechanically? Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is one of the exceptions.
@@Michael-590 I mean, to be fair, if it wasn’t for the unneeded sailing, Sonic Rush Adventure would be more of the same (not a bad thing in this case). Though I did notice he failed to bring up the optional missions which would add more decorations to your island which was admittedly neat. Then again, he did dedicate an entire marathon to Sonic’s handheld career starting with the Game Gear up until the Sonic racing games since don’t forget: the Sonic Drift games and Sonic Rivals games are portable. Though it is pretty funny that Sonic Unleashed had a mobile release, thus it tied into the handheld marathon by technicality.
@@georgecortes3416 You mean Sonic Colors? I figured the DS port would be just a lesser version of the Wii game, so I didn’t bother with it. It kind of irked me that he gave that game more praise than Sonic Rush Adventure.
While the pacing isn't great with the grinding, Rush Adventure is probably my favorite handheld Sonic game. It feels like a complete package with good Zone themes that also feel generally cohesive with the Island theme, the sailing minigames are mostly fun (The ship isn't), and missions are okay if you want something to slowly chip away at after finishing the game. I love just going back to this game and playing a few stages or missions every now and then. Marine still sucks though.
congrats on avoiding saying eggman nega's name the whole video. and you went with "corrupted mother wisp" instead of "nega mother wisp". really playing it safe here huh edit: this was just a joke I don't think anyone would actually care whether he says nega or not, avoiding it alltogether was probably the safest bet
Yeah not even the same animal, Marine is a raccoon and Sticks is a badger. Frankly they should've brought Marine back for STR and had her on a team with Silver & Blaze, then we could've had a full team of Chaotix instead of just Vector. (And y'know, maybe not had Cream's spot on Team Rose taken by a bunch of Chao.)
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood was honestly one of my favorite DS games as a kid. I loved the story and dialogue so much that I was hoping for that sequel would one day occur. Just found out about the whole legal issue with Ken Penders and dang the whole situation just sucks...
All Sega had to do was sic their lawyers on penders as soon as he threw a fit and everything would be fine... But noooo, they didn't take a creative mind throwing a hissy fit seriously enough to do anything about...
@@dyingstar24 actually Ken Penders was the one sueing sega the case was dismissed mutiple times. Its not sega's fault on this stuff it just tiresome dealing with this stuff so they rather just drop it. The only thing they can do is redesign her but it just going to get Ken Penders active again he believe Shade belongs to him
@@IDK-lh6ir Long story short. Ken Penders was an artist who worked for Archie comics and made a lot of comic characters including like 100+ echidna characters and says because there were no copyright claims on those characters he made, he legally owned them and wanted money for their use. Sega said no, Archie was lazy with the lawsuit and now Ken owns all those characters, so anytime a new Echidna is made Ken pops back up. Like in the Sonic 2 movie I've heard he is suing Sega or something because of the echidna tribe. DUDE IS JUST CRAZY.
I remember finishing Sonic Chronicles way back when, and I'm rather sad that Ant didn't mention the bizarre hit SFX that play when your party members get hit in combat. Knuckles sounds like a Popeye clip and Shadow sounds like a laser powering down. I do love that they tried to tie the story to Sonic Battle with the Gizoid though, and the fact that they tied the credits into Omega reading them out and then calling Tails a "stupid meatbag" for not paying attention.
If there was less RNG to it (or the more powerful ones were locked behind sidequests), there is merit to the system. But, as is, Ferox is the only one you should care about, so just pray you get him so you can break the game
Ferox is completely broken with cream. Prevents all action commands so you get PP restore, revivals, HP restores, and stat buffing pretty much guaranteed to the point where it makes spending rings on items absolutely useless. I don't think Sega thought that one through when they designed ferox xD
@@gab_v250 The game looks pretty unfinished but Balan himself looks cool because of his personality and character design. Not to mention with the cutscenes. It's really beautiful though. Why can't we make a movie out of those cutscenes?
"it is simply nice to go back and remember a time when Sega cared about NiGHTS" me, looking at the Steam copy of NiGHTS Into Dreams I just got as part of the 60th anniversary stuff:
There was a dark time in my life where Sonic Chronicles was one of the few videogames I actually had, alongside New Super Mario Bros and Wario Ware: Twisted. I enjoyed Chronicles 'cause I didn't know any better, even challenging myself to speedrun it within a single day... multiple days in a row. I dread going back to that game 'cause I KNOW it's not gonna be as good as I remember.
At least the game doesn't punish you for running like "Lunar: Dragon Song" does. Or suffer from bosses that can be utterly crippled by status effects like "Witches & Vampires: The Secrets of Ashburry" and "Vampire Legends: The Power of Three".
Too bad that the game got Sega in some massive legal trouble due to one of the writers for the Sonic Archie Comics being corrupt and not right in the head. Which is why nothing in the game was ever used again.
I actually did enjoy it for the most part and I have some extremely memorable moments still saved in my head, but that may be because I played it when I was a kid.
I love Chronicles, touchscreen on the map is a little bleh, and the music is pretty bad, bit I really enjoyed everything else. I found the story pretty fun, the dialogue and characterization was amazing, and while there some stuff in the battle system was eh, I really enjoyed it most the time. I really like the the ways the pow moves work, I find it reminiscent of paper mario and mario&luigi but probably more involved.
Dang those Chao are pretty good. I have a Rom Cartridge with Chronicles on it, so when I found Chronicles in a store a few years ago, and the store had a buy one get one free sale, I got it. Most of those Chao in the Physical cartridge are now max level, no clue how I did that.
Sonic Rush Adventure was my first and formerly favorite Sonic game. I lost my copy a few years back, and I have never forgiven myself for that ever since.
Its still wild to me that I remember Sonic Chronicles, when I was a kid I actually enjoyed the game and played through it multiple times. I dunno if that still applies to me now, I still own the game but its one of those hidden memories I feel I shouldn't ruin cause it secretly sucked but my childhood said otherwise lmao.
To put it simply, the game is a great "baby's first RPG." When I played it as a ten year-old, I thought it was legit, and I also replayed it multiple times. I wouldn't discourage you from replaying it because, while you will find some things aren't as great as you remember, you will also see new things about the game you didn't notice before that are extra cool, and you will appreciate the game in a new light.
Such a shame it never got a sequel thanks to damn Ken penders raising a legal fuss over shade. Caused too much hassle for bioware and Sega that they just dropped it and moved on with other games
"Sonic do you mind I'm trying to listen to the-" "YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH" "Fine, I'll just listen to them later on-" "HAH, HMPH, HAH, HMPH" "Do not start with me Blaze!"
I grew up on sonic chronicles and honestly loved it...looking back I can see how it’s not a good game, but it will always have a special place in my heart
Part of me wishes you brought up the massive lawsuit Sonic Chronicles caused, which caused a domino effect that lead to the end of the Archie Sonic comics.
don't forget that its the reason why every Sonic character created before that point is forced to follow some mandates that SEGA placed making it so that they are forced to act is certain ways (example shadow is now forced to be an arrogant ass that does not listens to anyone)
@@Wolfen-fd6rk What are you taking about? Shadow misinterpreted 'Run' as 'Run away' which running away from a fight being something that is against Shadow's morals. Besides if someone yelled at you to 'Run' while being in a fight, would you honestly interpret it as 'Run in general'? Or are you referring to something else?
@@blitz4506 the reason he was able to win something at all was because Archi comics had lost the contract that Ken Pender had with them and he argued that he was going to use the characters he created in another series, so the court let him keep the rights as long as he did not used anything that would be from Sega including the concept of a race named the echinas so Penders had to change their race but got to keep the rights for the characters
Is this why Blaze should appear in more Sonic games and have her own story? Like she did in "Sonic Rush" and "Sonic Rush Adventures". Same thing goes to Marine. These girls are technically forgotten. (I don't mention Blaze's appearing in olympic and racing games though).
You can blame sonic 06 for that one which flat out ruined blaze as a character, making her a almost mute sidekick for silver. I agree with you about marine. She's basically been forgotten about entirely and it sucks considering how at the end of rush adventure, there was a lot of text saying 'we will meet again' etc. Looking back I think she did have a cameo in the ds version of Sonic Colours but it was only in like one very short cutscene.
Yeah, while she was and still is the best female Sonic character (unlike Marine), it still doesn’t change that nowadays, Sega could have done so much more with her!
Despite all its flaws, I still think that The Dark Brotherhood is pretty good. The presentation is... not good, the battle system is also nothing to be proud of, but the story was really entertaining, especially considering stories in 99% of other Sonic games. It truly felt like the team cared about the story and tried to make characters feel more like characters, and not like a few basic traits.
I honestly liked the battle system once I got to really learn how it worked. I didn't have any delays to deal with and all the combo attacks felt really cathartic to do. I do agree that the story is great, the second half being some of the best the franchise has.
@@jerrysmith8814 it's a long story involving a man named Ken Penders. Basically he threw a fit because he wasn't credited for the story's inspiration, since the story of the dark brotherhood was basically the same as the echidna clan's in the comic... He laid copyright claims to every character he made (who were basically almost every echidna in the comic...) And it ended up undermining half the comics storyline...
21:50 Kind of off topic from the rest of the video, but the fact that you actually mentioned Dragon Age when you brought up Bioware made me so, so happy.
10:10 I always viewed that as a positive. The special stages were always uncomfortable and monotonous so I preferred Blaze's route since she didn't have them.
I don't know why, but Sonic Classic Collection called Sonic 3 & Knuckles "Knuckles in Sonic 3" (which probably confused some people back in 2010) Edit: I got the release year wrong
I really enjoyed Sonic Chronicles and played through it multiple times thanks to new game+ letting you keep your levels. I like the battlesystem for it's combo attacks where you use up multiple characters turns for a extra strong attack. And the chiptune music is awesome
IKR. Sounds like he just glazed over the story, which is also why he probably didn't appreciate the story in Chronicles seems it relies so heavily on Battle's story.
@@Mobysimo they did! In the Sonic 3 PC port that was a part of the Sonic and Garfield game 2 pack. The soundtrack was different, and had to be done using MIDIs. However, after the release of the Sonic 3 prototype, it was discovered that the PC’s soundtrack was actually the original. Here’s the soundtrack: ua-cam.com/play/PLC6A50DF5EFAC71A2.html
16: "Sonic's adventures on home consoles during the mid to late 2000s were a bit of a mixed bag"... How controversial are you gonna get, Ant?! This used to be a family-friendly show!! 😂
It made me realize, of all the spin-off type games, there are two sub genres I can think of that neither Mario nor Sonic have done yet - a Dynasty Warriors spin-off, and a Mystery Dungeon spin-off. I don't think the latter would do well for either, but can you just imagine a Sonic Warriors game? They'd be able to pull a whole bunch of minor characters from the comics as npc squad captains, and have so many playable characters from the games - Blaze, Omega, Big, Metal, even Knuckles.
@Marcus _ I am. Before Super Mario RPG, RPGs in general wouldn't sell too well in the USA. Example: Final fantasy games would sell Less copies here in America than an Action platformer like Dk Country,Super Mario World,or even a Sonic game. In Japan however, RPGs Would sell as much copies as a platformer would. So we need to thank Square Enix for making The beloved Mario RPG that let Americans enjoy RPGs forever.
I remember really loving Chronicles as a kid. I also loved turn-based RPGs, was obsessed with Sonic lore and was a huge Nintendo fanboy, so gimmicks don't really turn me off. So that had a lot to do with it. I really wanna replay it though. Might do that next year. See if it's as bad as everyone jokes/makes it out to be. I remember the gameplay and graphics being not *good* but *fun* "We may not be good, but at least we're fun" might as well be the Sonic series' catchphrase at this point lol
i'm not a sonic fan, but the fact he has a turn-based rpg intrigues me. that's why Sonic Chronicles is in my list to play someday (whenever i have more time, these days are being busy to me)!! i just heard Sonic Chronicles will get a remaster by fans so i'm hyped
@@marcdimartino9118 I actually did last fall Some fun character moments and lore in an overall lackluster story. A pretty odd combat system, though I enjoy the tap commands honestly Biggest drawback (aside from legal drama) is definitely the presentation. Game is super ugly and sounds terrible. One of the worst looking games I've seen from a triple a developer. Which is why I was surprised the rest of it was pretty decent. Not great by any means, don't get me wrong. It lacks depth and is definitely an RPG targeted at kids, but the combat, while flawed, was still fun for me for the most part It's like... a 3 or 4/10 maybe? I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a Sonic fan, since it's sort of a mediocre waste of time. But if you're a Sonic fan, learning more lore about the Gizoids and getting some fun well written dialogue with the cast is a good time, even if the plot and gameplay is kinda weak and the presentation is awful
I love Sonic Rush Adventure. Not only is the core gameplay great, I actually liked most of the ship gameplay, which says a lot considering Sonic trying new things usually goes horribly
I still think that the opinion that the sailing in Rush Adventure was bad is completely wrong. In my opinion they DO have a place of being there since the game is about an adventure across the seven seas. I even thought they were really fun. But this is coming from a guy who's played this game basically all his life so I don't know how much of a take this is.
I really liked the story, characters and move commands. But the strategy/customisation part needs an overhaul and oh lord the overworld lock & key abilities. It's Like Pokemon HM's but worse.
I have so much nostalgia for Sonic Chronicles, which is really is annoying cause I know it’s a not great game, but whenever I think about it, I only have memories of how much I loved it as a kid. This was also one of my first ever sonic games, with rush being the first and this second.
To be fair, your not the only person to have fond memories involving a bad game. I've run into people that generally enjoy "Falling Stars" a PS2 game that takes place in a world smaller than the starting city in Final Fantasy XII that features multiple areas that take upwards of 30 seconds to load into yet looks like a late PS1 game in terms of graphics. And the overall story and side quests can probably be beaten in around 10 hours with about a third of that being load screens. And, I've run into fans of "Lunar: Dragon Song" as well. A game so bad that one of my co-workers who loved the franchise couldn't watch me play it.
There's actually this great dialogue moment in Chronicles where Tails suggests not immediately distrusting Eggman, and Omega decides Tails must have gone crazy and recommends mercifully ending his life.
XD that's hilarious
Yeah. It's Omega.
I can believe it.
I appreciate this
Omega is amazing in that game. Most of the characters are tbh
Gotta love Omega. Wish they did more with him.
“Spindashing in his grave” should be used at least once in an official sonic game.
ABSOLUTELY.
Predicting Sonic's 30th anniversary are we? Remember to bring the phone.
What’s next? Knuckles gonna have to use his shovel claw to dig himself a grave too? Or is he the grave keeper around here?
@@joshuafarmer3135 -1 💀
@@servantbyday Um, what exactly does that mean? Sorry if I took it to far, I was just joking.
Blaze is the best " Sonic Friend" character.
And only friends for shippers reading this.
Blaze is the best sonic character in my opinion
@@cubesluna6665 i agree
I love the “friend” specification because of eggman
blaze deserves her own game
"there was even an RPG. What could possibly go wrong there?"
distant echos of Ken Penders laughing maniacally like the super villain he is.
Yea I'm surprised Ant didn't mention that asshole
@@mr.j1401 I never actually read the Archie comics. (I was born way after the series was going and was way too young to really get interested in that version of the franchise) but I still hear horror stories about Ken Penders. Here’s hoping IDW will take better care of Sonic.
@@wumpus976 Currently reading the IDW Comics, they have been doing pretty well so far (considering it's going into it's third year and going through a shift in the head writing team). Two limited spinoffs, two major arcs completed with a third arc seeming to be bubbling under the surface; it's going fairly well for the most part. Though the only knock against it is that Sega is hovering over the IDW team to makesure things don't go wrong and 2020 not being helpful on getting comics out to stores on time.
that was his name (also nobodys mentioning that he gave sonic human teeth before paramount)
A fucking lame ass supervillian.
To be fair to Blaze, everyone who isn't Tails, Knuckles or even Amy is relegated to "Sonic's friend" after their debut.
Blaze kinda got it worse than others though (well except maybe the chaotix)
@@moca-pocalypseoctohog3045 i'd definitely say Blaze has it the worst. They messed up her whole background and timeline with 06, and completely wasted her potential. She's just as fast as Sonic and Shadow in HEELS and has very powerful pyrokinetic powers.
She's also THE most fleshed out sonic character. 😐 Yet now she's just...there. Please if they make an Adventure 3 ( which they should ) she HAS to be a main playable character.
Also there's like; 3 versions of Blaze. Rush Blaze is *literally a different character* to '06 Blaze, and then there's Black Knight Blaze.
@@raikaria3090 we do not speak of that game
@@williepchamp3060 what game? 06-
That “Some Call Him Johnny” Joke had me laughing way more than I should have.
oh for the love of.....how did i miss that joke
14:55
What kind of name is that; sounds like an *ssholes name
- also somecallmejohnny
Sonic All Stars Racing on the DS is flat out amazing.
I've played that version and completed it so many times years ago.
Lets go lithium is here
Why are you in every Nintendo UA-camrs' comments
What an underrated gem. It may be a Mario kart clone but its a really well made one.
Whenever I try to download the demo for the 3ds version, it comes up with an error screen :( I'll just have to buy it
I want the Sonic Chronicles soundtrack to play at my funeral so that when everybody hears the music they end up passing away immediately and join me in the afterlife
The best recap of Sonic Chronicle's soundtrack I've ever heard of is "It's like it's trying to be music but can't."
You know how people usually say that Sonic games have good soundtracks no matter how dysfunctional the game is mechanically?
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is one of the exceptions.
genius
Hello again
@@demetriuskafkoulas5005 "It's like cyanide, but for my ears."
Blaze is indeed the best Sonic friend. She needs a game of her own.
For real
I just wanna see her in a mainline game again 😞
i have actively been requesting a blaze solo game for YEARS
OmG sissel hi
For real. She is my absolutely favorite Sonic character and deserves more love.
It's amazing how fast Sonic went from Nintendo's rival to being a tech demo for an unreleased Nintendo console
I mean speed IS his thing
Antdude on the Rush games's stream: "No promises on a Sonic Rush series video!"
Also Antdude: Gotcha
I’m not surprised.
It’s not really a rush video, it just has rush in it.
AntDude and Nitro Rad uploading at the same time.
The rivalry continues.
I think they both have backlogs of videos for the occasions..
and Scott the woz,Avgn and somecallmejhonny these gaming UA-camrs are going crazy
I told yall they're the same person
Yes you posted this on James' video too we get it
@@CoolPlayersVic UA-cam is all just a quintesson judge with strong opinions about video games.
"Some call him Johnny"
I don't think I've ever been more happy to see a small cameo
Wait...if only SOME call him Johnny, then WHAT do others call him???
@@georgecortes3416 Juan
I didn’t like how Johnny basically just glanced at Sonic Rush Adventure and wrote it off.
@@Michael-590 I mean, to be fair, if it wasn’t for the unneeded sailing, Sonic Rush Adventure would be more of the same (not a bad thing in this case). Though I did notice he failed to bring up the optional missions which would add more decorations to your island which was admittedly neat. Then again, he did dedicate an entire marathon to Sonic’s handheld career starting with the Game Gear up until the Sonic racing games since don’t forget: the Sonic Drift games and Sonic Rivals games are portable. Though it is pretty funny that Sonic Unleashed had a mobile release, thus it tied into the handheld marathon by technicality.
@@georgecortes3416 You mean Sonic Colors? I figured the DS port would be just a lesser version of the Wii game, so I didn’t bother with it. It kind of irked me that he gave that game more praise than Sonic Rush Adventure.
The best part about Blaze, arguably, is that she could play around in the Himalayas for hours and she could be perfectly fine.
Huh what? I don’t get it
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 Is every reply just gonna be you confused about everything?
ONLY IF WE SAW HER TAKE WING!
Plus, she looks like a Native American !
hot chick heaven!
While the pacing isn't great with the grinding, Rush Adventure is probably my favorite handheld Sonic game. It feels like a complete package with good Zone themes that also feel generally cohesive with the Island theme, the sailing minigames are mostly fun (The ship isn't), and missions are okay if you want something to slowly chip away at after finishing the game. I love just going back to this game and playing a few stages or missions every now and then. Marine still sucks though.
Design doc? Here?
@@MantaKizaemonFTW Who's Design Doc?
Marine is good for youknowhat
Holy cow, you're watching this too??
I loved sky babylon and haunted ship the most!
I’m really glad I’m not the only person who played Sonic Colors on DS.
Same
Same goes for both DS Olympic Games and Classic Collection
Same
same.....the compressed music for the game is amazing,same for rush adventure XD
Same
congrats on avoiding saying eggman nega's name the whole video. and you went with "corrupted mother wisp" instead of "nega mother wisp". really playing it safe here huh
edit: this was just a joke I don't think anyone would actually care whether he says nega or not, avoiding it alltogether was probably the safest bet
I kept chuckling every time he sidestepped it
Congrats on 100k subs. Hope you get verified soon!
Hi
oh.... seeing it in writing, I get now why he doesn't say it. kinda sad we as a society came to this level of sjw'ness but it is what it is
This was the best way to go about it.
So Marine and Sticks are actually two different characters.
Huh.
Always has been...
I hope SEGA bring Marine BACK
Yeah not even the same animal, Marine is a raccoon and Sticks is a badger.
Frankly they should've brought Marine back for STR and had her on a team with Silver & Blaze, then we could've had a full team of Chaotix instead of just Vector.
(And y'know, maybe not had Cream's spot on Team Rose taken by a bunch of Chao.)
Agreed
I’ll take Sticks over Marine any day.
*Johnny furiously knocks down Ant's door while his theme song plays in the background*
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood was honestly one of my favorite DS games as a kid. I loved the story and dialogue so much that I was hoping for that sequel would one day occur. Just found out about the whole legal issue with Ken Penders and dang the whole situation just sucks...
All Sega had to do was sic their lawyers on penders as soon as he threw a fit and everything would be fine... But noooo, they didn't take a creative mind throwing a hissy fit seriously enough to do anything about...
@@dyingstar24 actually Ken Penders was the one sueing sega the case was dismissed mutiple times. Its not sega's fault on this stuff it just tiresome dealing with this stuff so they rather just drop it. The only thing they can do is redesign her but it just going to get Ken Penders active again he believe Shade belongs to him
what did and who is Ken Penders
@@IDK-lh6ir Long story short. Ken Penders was an artist who worked for Archie comics and made a lot of comic characters including like 100+ echidna characters and says because there were no copyright claims on those characters he made, he legally owned them and wanted money for their use. Sega said no, Archie was lazy with the lawsuit and now Ken owns all those characters, so anytime a new Echidna is made Ken pops back up. Like in the Sonic 2 movie I've heard he is suing Sega or something because of the echidna tribe. DUDE IS JUST CRAZY.
yes, someone who likes Sonic Chronicles!! i just heard Today that there will be a remaster by fans
I actually remember really enjoying Sonic Chronicles when it came out. I was always sad there would never be a sequel...
You can blame Ken Penders for that.
Yes jonas is right thats why we never got it, i felt bad we didn't get the sequel too =/
I know fans were trying to work on an unofficial sequel, but that project never really got anywhere to my knowledge.
@@classictimer4052 I hate that man.
Forces can kiiiiinda be considered a sequel if you wanna do some mental gymnastics. I personally consider it a sequel
I only played the Rush series growing up. I own a copy of Rush Adventure and I played my friend’s copy of Rush on his DS.
You're bugging.' The drill music GOES HARD😂
+1, i was floored to hear ohtani go full-on oldschool gabber for the drill music loop
I remember finishing Sonic Chronicles way back when, and I'm rather sad that Ant didn't mention the bizarre hit SFX that play when your party members get hit in combat. Knuckles sounds like a Popeye clip and Shadow sounds like a laser powering down.
I do love that they tried to tie the story to Sonic Battle with the Gizoid though, and the fact that they tied the credits into Omega reading them out and then calling Tails a "stupid meatbag" for not paying attention.
captain whisker is literally a pirate egg man sans that’s official, my mind is blown
Ah I see you’re from a different Penguin law enforcement devision
@@rycalamo2684 yes, greetings fellow officer
Oh yeah? Look at the Machine Labyrinth enemies again. Looks familiar right?
I never thought I’d be hearing the phrase “Pirate Eggman Sans” but here we are I guess
I actually enjoyed Sonic Chronicles: Dark Brotherhood.
There, I said it. I'm sorry.
I did too. No need to feel ashamed of anything.
Me three. It was good for what it was worth 😉👍!
me four, though I admit, it needs polish, especially in the soundtrack department
Me five I enjoyed it as well
Its good.
Imagine being a Sonic game on one of the most popular Nintendo consoles
Hehehehehehe
Stop commenting everywhere
I get it
@@Ketchup1810 wut
Yes
I really liked the chao system in Dark Brotherhood and I would love to see a refined sequel.
I still say the best chao is the one that makes it so you don't have to use the touch screen controls to activate your abilities.
If there was less RNG to it (or the more powerful ones were locked behind sidequests), there is merit to the system. But, as is, Ferox is the only one you should care about, so just pray you get him so you can break the game
@@aionicthunder tbf, Ferox on Cream breaks the game
Ferox is completely broken with cream. Prevents all action commands so you get PP restore, revivals, HP restores, and stat buffing pretty much guaranteed to the point where it makes spending rings on items absolutely useless. I don't think Sega thought that one through when they designed ferox xD
"Mozart would be spindashing in his grave."
That is one of the funniest things I've ever heard so far.
"it is simply nice to go back to a time where SEGA cared about NiGHTS"
Well this aged badly, since the "spiritual successor" Balan Wonderworld had FLOPPED HARD
@@gab_v250 The game looks pretty unfinished but Balan himself looks cool because of his personality and character design. Not to mention with the cutscenes. It's really beautiful though. Why can't we make a movie out of those cutscenes?
"Mozart would be spin-dashing in his grave"
"it is simply nice to go back and remember a time when Sega cared about NiGHTS"
me, looking at the Steam copy of NiGHTS Into Dreams I just got as part of the 60th anniversary stuff:
There was a dark time in my life where Sonic Chronicles was one of the few videogames I actually had, alongside New Super Mario Bros and Wario Ware: Twisted. I enjoyed Chronicles 'cause I didn't know any better, even challenging myself to speedrun it within a single day... multiple days in a row.
I dread going back to that game 'cause I KNOW it's not gonna be as good as I remember.
At least the game doesn't punish you for running like "Lunar: Dragon Song" does.
Or suffer from bosses that can be utterly crippled by status effects like "Witches & Vampires: The Secrets of Ashburry" and "Vampire Legends: The Power of Three".
Yeah. Chronicles was an dull, sluggish & tedious RPG and Sonic game for that matter. How is it slower than Pokemon Gen. 4?
Sonic Rush Adventure was my first proper game. And it is amazing.
Sonic Rush's OST is truly god-tier and has been stuck in my head for about a month
I like how colours ds has just been added to the rush series giving it more attention for an underrated game
Honestly i wish it just would've been, Sonic Rush: Colors
Its not Rush game unless Blaze is playable
@@MrPhantaze i wouldve loved like a blaze side story to tie in with sonics story to have an excuse to use blaze, kinda like in that one parody
Hot take: I don't hate Sonic Chronicles.
Soundtrack kinda blows though.
Too bad that the game got Sega in some massive legal trouble due to one of the writers for the Sonic Archie Comics being corrupt and not right in the head. Which is why nothing in the game was ever used again.
Yeah, I actually enjoyed the game and played it back to back to back.
I actually did enjoy it for the most part and I have some extremely memorable moments still saved in my head, but that may be because I played it when I was a kid.
@@darkiusmc979 Ken Penders was a complete dick that did more damage to the franchised than anything else.
I love Chronicles, touchscreen on the map is a little bleh, and the music is pretty bad, bit I really enjoyed everything else. I found the story pretty fun, the dialogue and characterization was amazing, and while there some stuff in the battle system was eh, I really enjoyed it most the time. I really like the the ways the pow moves work, I find it reminiscent of paper mario and mario&luigi but probably more involved.
Dark Chronicles.
Cons: Mostly everything
Pro: Shade the Echidna, cutscenes and chao.
The box art is also beautiful
I kinda enjoy the idea of a sonic rpg, just wish it were done....well, actually good
Other Cons: Ken Penders Destroys the Relationship between Sega & Archie, to ditch them for IDW.
Dang those Chao are pretty good. I have a Rom Cartridge with Chronicles on it, so when I found Chronicles in a store a few years ago, and the store had a buy one get one free sale, I got it.
Most of those Chao in the Physical cartridge are now max level, no clue how I did that.
When that game came out it was actually well-received, and then that maniac Penders went on a rampage......
Sonic Rush Adventure was my first and formerly favorite Sonic game. I lost my copy a few years back, and I have never forgiven myself for that ever since.
"I'm the sane one."
That line and that delivery.
Great way to end the video.
Sonic Rush is such a fun game, the soundtrack is top tier as well
Factoid
Every time he’s on camera Antdude looks like he’s only 40% sure he’s saying the right thing.
And we love him for it! :D
Thats kinda true tho not trynna be rude
The best thing that came from Sonic on DS,
was Blaze the Cat.
Fact!
That's facts. Best Sonic character to ever exist, in my opinion.
@@AuraStrikeAce argeed, i would really love her getting her own game.
They were left out of sonic forces, so I doubt they will be appearing any time soon
I wish I came out of Blaze the Cat.
As always, I loved the ending to this video. Your deadpan humor never fails.
He's sane alright!
0:09 for the 3DS video he’s gonna say, “Sonic has never really been the same since his jump to 3D... S”
Edit: I F¥€£ING CALLED IT!!!
True! Hey I am Sonic the fat hedgehog :)
He did LMAO
"I just hope she's ok" Garrulous64 would like to know your location. Run Anthony.
You're a fan too?!
Oh dear God.
Sonic Chronicles is still to this day the only RPG I've actually completed.
Oof, don't say that on Reddit, worst mistake of my life.
10 year old me didn't know better and ended up going through the new game+ like ten times. Oh how standards change
Oh my god... I'm so sorry...
Man, go play Dragon Quest or something to redeem yourself lol
big L
He didn't even bother saying Eggman Negas name, cause he knew what would happen to him.
I miss when I could watch youtube without the uploader's analytics constantly being front and center.
UA-cam: behold the demonetizator
Nagito, you just ended racism
Oh nvm I thought your pfp was something else
Dumb comment
Its still wild to me that I remember Sonic Chronicles, when I was a kid I actually enjoyed the game and played through it multiple times. I dunno if that still applies to me now, I still own the game but its one of those hidden memories I feel I shouldn't ruin cause it secretly sucked but my childhood said otherwise lmao.
To put it simply, the game is a great "baby's first RPG." When I played it as a ten year-old, I thought it was legit, and I also replayed it multiple times. I wouldn't discourage you from replaying it because, while you will find some things aren't as great as you remember, you will also see new things about the game you didn't notice before that are extra cool, and you will appreciate the game in a new light.
Sonic Chronicles' storyline is actually pretty great tough, it explains a lot about sa1 and the whole echidna backstory
Yes!
Such a shame it never got a sequel thanks to damn Ken penders raising a legal fuss over shade. Caused too much hassle for bioware and Sega that they just dropped it and moved on with other games
if it can be considered great, I guess it just goes to show how low the bar is with video game storylines
"Sonic do you mind I'm trying to listen to the-"
"YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH"
"Fine, I'll just listen to them later on-"
"HAH, HMPH, HAH, HMPH"
"Do not start with me Blaze!"
@Nikolas Padilla They're talking about the trick sounds interrupting the music on both playthroughs
I grew up on sonic chronicles and honestly loved it...looking back I can see how it’s not a good game, but it will always have a special place in my heart
Part of me wishes you brought up the massive lawsuit Sonic Chronicles caused, which caused a domino effect that lead to the end of the Archie Sonic comics.
The tale of Ken Penders is probobly like a bad drug trip for those who don't know that much about sonic
don't forget that its the reason why every Sonic character created before that point is forced to follow some mandates that SEGA placed making it so that they are forced to act is certain ways (example shadow is now forced to be an arrogant ass that does not listens to anyone)
@@Wolfen-fd6rk What are you taking about? Shadow misinterpreted 'Run' as 'Run away' which running away from a fight being something that is against Shadow's morals. Besides if someone yelled at you to 'Run' while being in a fight, would you honestly interpret it as 'Run in general'?
Or are you referring to something else?
which makes no sense since ken penders wrote for THEM, usig THEYRE property. he shouldnt own anything relative to the echidna species or concept
@@blitz4506 the reason he was able to win something at all was because Archi comics had lost the contract that Ken Pender had with them and he argued that he was going to use the characters he created in another series, so the court let him keep the rights as long as he did not used anything that would be from Sega including the concept of a race named the echinas so Penders had to change their race but got to keep the rights for the characters
Is this why Blaze should appear in more Sonic games and have her own story? Like she did in "Sonic Rush" and "Sonic Rush Adventures". Same thing goes to Marine.
These girls are technically forgotten. (I don't mention Blaze's appearing in olympic and racing games though).
You can blame sonic 06 for that one which flat out ruined blaze as a character, making her a almost mute sidekick for silver.
I agree with you about marine. She's basically been forgotten about entirely and it sucks considering how at the end of rush adventure, there was a lot of text saying 'we will meet again' etc. Looking back I think she did have a cameo in the ds version of Sonic Colours but it was only in like one very short cutscene.
"Some call him Johnny" *SNRKS*
Man the Sonic Rush games we're my childhood... words can't explain how nostalgic they are.
Glad to hear some other people saw the missed potential in Blaze, real shame too.
Yeah, while she was and still is the best female Sonic character (unlike Marine), it still doesn’t change that nowadays, Sega could have done so much more with her!
Despite all its flaws, I still think that The Dark Brotherhood is pretty good. The presentation is... not good, the battle system is also nothing to be proud of, but the story was really entertaining, especially considering stories in 99% of other Sonic games. It truly felt like the team cared about the story and tried to make characters feel more like characters, and not like a few basic traits.
I honestly liked the battle system once I got to really learn how it worked. I didn't have any delays to deal with and all the combo attacks felt really cathartic to do. I do agree that the story is great, the second half being some of the best the franchise has.
What if I told you that game was one of the biggest reasons the Sonic the hedgehog comic went down?
@@dyingstar24 I don't know anything about that. What happened?
@@jerrysmith8814 it's a long story involving a man named Ken Penders. Basically he threw a fit because he wasn't credited for the story's inspiration, since the story of the dark brotherhood was basically the same as the echidna clan's in the comic... He laid copyright claims to every character he made (who were basically almost every echidna in the comic...) And it ended up undermining half the comics storyline...
@@dyingstar24 damn...
DS 3D models and the compressed audio are some of my favorite things in video games
21:50 Kind of off topic from the rest of the video, but the fact that you actually mentioned Dragon Age when you brought up Bioware made me so, so happy.
Sonic Rush is still my favorite sonic game. Also has an amazing soundtrack.
AntDude: “Maybe one day we’ll get a good Sonic RPG.”
Sonic Robo Blast 2 Persona: “Am I a joke to you?”
You not even Made By Sega!
Yes.
Oh wow, someone beat me to the punch. That mod is absolutely fantastic, though it's less a Sonic RPG and more a Persona game with Sonic characters
@@CiromBreeze True, but we can all agree that Sonic characters putting guns to their head is hilarious
for the next sonic mods video
The letters "DS" stand for "Dude, Stop" because Sonic fans want people to stop talking about how Sonic has had a rough time ever since the jump to 3D
sonic had a rough transition from 2-d to 3-d
Sonic didn't have a rocky transition into 3D
It’s you
Stop commenting everywhere
Uh huh
“Some call him Johnny.” I see what you did there, AntDude. 😉
25:06
Holy crap, the Sonic Riders fandub is canon
10:10
I always viewed that as a positive. The special stages were always uncomfortable and monotonous so I preferred Blaze's route since she didn't have them.
"Back to back" huh? See what you did there
...what'd he do?
its a part of a music from sonic rush
@@victortoscano9848 oh, i see, thank you!
Blaze is still my favorite Sonic character ever, she's also my main in TSR so yeah
Does TSR stand for Team Sonic Racing?
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 yeah
i finished TSR a week ago (the story) on switch and my main the whole time was sonic himself
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is what people who have never played in RPG before think an RPG is.
It really is. Negative comparisons between this and Super Mario RPG are just endless for me.
What went through my head while seeing this:
*HELLO THERE EVERYONE. ITS ME, SONIC THE HEDGEHOG ON THE NINTENDO DS*
"shadow goes super out of nowhere" most insulting thing but I'll get over it
If you don't mind to answer. How is that insulting ?
Rush Adventure is hands down my favourite Sonic. It's so good.
6:46 The title should’ve been
“Knuckles in Sonic 3 & Knuckles”
I don't know why, but Sonic Classic Collection called Sonic 3 & Knuckles "Knuckles in Sonic 3" (which probably confused some people back in 2010)
Edit: I got the release year wrong
@@JonnySpecit confused me last year and I have had this game for like 12 years
I really enjoyed Sonic Chronicles and played through it multiple times thanks to new game+ letting you keep your levels. I like the battlesystem for it's combo attacks where you use up multiple characters turns for a extra strong attack. And the chiptune music is awesome
hard agree
@@biohazardbin Extra hard agree!
I just remember thinking it was wild to see Sonic on Nintendo systems.
"go back into time where Sega cared about Nights" I mean, they did just recently give out Nights Into dreams for free on Steam.
Did he say battle's story goes on too long??
Bruh it's like the BEST story of the franchise
I've never seen a Sonic story use almost every character in the cast so well, and it has by far the best characterization of Shadow.
Right, that game had a very enjoyable story+gameplay.
IKR. Sounds like he just glazed over the story, which is also why he probably didn't appreciate the story in Chronicles seems it relies so heavily on Battle's story.
You show Sega a copy of Sonic 3 and they'll have PTSD flashbacks of the rights mess that game's soundtrack is for them
Hee-Hee!
Yeah, apparently there's legal issues surrounding the soundtrack. Some of it was done by Michael Jackson.
@@ExtremeWreck Pretty much. It's why it's the least re-releasrd Sonic game
Im shocked they haven't tried writting new music honestly
@@Mobysimo they did! In the Sonic 3 PC port that was a part of the Sonic and Garfield game 2 pack. The soundtrack was different, and had to be done using MIDIs. However, after the release of the Sonic 3 prototype, it was discovered that the PC’s soundtrack was actually the original. Here’s the soundtrack: ua-cam.com/play/PLC6A50DF5EFAC71A2.html
@@wumpus976 Awesome! Thanks for sharing~
You're the first UA-camr I've seen anyone give any praise to Rush Adventure.
As a pirate fan, Rush Adventure appealed to me a lot.
16: "Sonic's adventures on home consoles during the mid to late 2000s were a bit of a mixed bag"...
How controversial are you gonna get, Ant?! This used to be a family-friendly show!! 😂
What I learned in this video: Mario invented Tennis, Kart Racing, and RPGs.
And made American gamers love the RPG genre with Super Mario RPG 1996. Without that game nobody would like the Final Fantasy
Games,or other RPGs.
It made me realize, of all the spin-off type games, there are two sub genres I can think of that neither Mario nor Sonic have done yet - a Dynasty Warriors spin-off, and a Mystery Dungeon spin-off. I don't think the latter would do well for either, but can you just imagine a Sonic Warriors game? They'd be able to pull a whole bunch of minor characters from the comics as npc squad captains, and have so many playable characters from the games - Blaze, Omega, Big, Metal, even Knuckles.
@@efrainsantiago4787 lol WHAT?
Finished yet? Sonic drives a car, not a Kart
@Marcus _ I am. Before Super Mario RPG, RPGs in general wouldn't sell too well in the USA. Example: Final fantasy games would sell
Less copies here in America than an Action platformer like Dk Country,Super Mario World,or even a Sonic game. In Japan however, RPGs
Would sell as much copies as a platformer would. So we need to thank Square Enix for making The beloved Mario RPG that let Americans enjoy RPGs forever.
Sonic Ds games: aka some of the most weirdly interesting games when it comes to the handheld titles .
nice
Still better then most of the home console at the time
Oh, hello again NATHANIEL FOGA
Ok
I didn't care when I saw the redesigns for sonic boom, I was however disappointed when Sticks wasn't Marine
Yeah; of all characters to bring back for Boom... why *Marine?*
@@raikaria3090 completely arbitrary reasons, like how I wanted to know what she sounds like
I remember really loving Chronicles as a kid.
I also loved turn-based RPGs, was obsessed with Sonic lore and was a huge Nintendo fanboy, so gimmicks don't really turn me off. So that had a lot to do with it.
I really wanna replay it though. Might do that next year. See if it's as bad as everyone jokes/makes it out to be. I remember the gameplay and graphics being not *good* but *fun*
"We may not be good, but at least we're fun" might as well be the Sonic series' catchphrase at this point lol
Yeah I was the same way as a kid! I loved that game!
i'm not a sonic fan, but the fact he has a turn-based rpg intrigues me. that's why Sonic Chronicles is in my list to play someday (whenever i have more time, these days are being busy to me)!! i just heard Sonic Chronicles will get a remaster by fans so i'm hyped
Did you replay it yet?
@@marcdimartino9118 I actually did last fall
Some fun character moments and lore in an overall lackluster story. A pretty odd combat system, though I enjoy the tap commands honestly
Biggest drawback (aside from legal drama) is definitely the presentation. Game is super ugly and sounds terrible. One of the worst looking games I've seen from a triple a developer. Which is why I was surprised the rest of it was pretty decent. Not great by any means, don't get me wrong. It lacks depth and is definitely an RPG targeted at kids, but the combat, while flawed, was still fun for me for the most part
It's like... a 3 or 4/10 maybe?
I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a Sonic fan, since it's sort of a mediocre waste of time. But if you're a Sonic fan, learning more lore about the Gizoids and getting some fun well written dialogue with the cast is a good time, even if the plot and gameplay is kinda weak and the presentation is awful
@@JustAnotherMike_ That was very well said, and I agree with all of it. Thank you for sharing!
The Classic Collection was my introduction to Sonic, so yeah, pretty important to me.
Thats cool
I dunno if it’s just me, but I actually fairly enjoyed Sonic Chronicles
same its not even that bad
What even is a Sonic Chronicles?
When was the last time you played the game?
Same I grew up with this game
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 An rpg i think
24:49
Sonic Shorts: Oh my god, a new Sonic character! Must... draw... *PORN OF IT*
Classic
Sonic Colors DS is SO underrated
Yep. I actually prefer the DS version more than the Wii version honestly.
DS version is so Good too play i prefer it over the Wii version
The Wii version and the DS version are basically 2 completely different games
Also Sonic Colors on the Wii is one of the better 3D Sonic games.
@@Alex-yy9pc Except Sonic CD has more 3D gameplay than Colours Wii.
I love Sonic Rush Adventure. Not only is the core gameplay great, I actually liked most of the ship gameplay, which says a lot considering Sonic trying new things usually goes horribly
I still think that the opinion that the sailing in Rush Adventure was bad is completely wrong. In my opinion they DO have a place of being there since the game is about an adventure across the seven seas. I even thought they were really fun. But this is coming from a guy who's played this game basically all his life so I don't know how much of a take this is.
sonic chronicles does have very interesting history after it was released with that lawsuit and such
Oh, I KNOW.
Antdude, Nitrorad and Avgn all upload the same day Pog
Maximilian Dood too
Am I the only one who genuinely likes Chronicles? I feel like it had a lot of potential. If it were ever remade, it could be great.
Potential maybe. But the product itself is extremely mediocre.
Nah, I genuinely liked it too. Played the hell out of it until the cartridge got corrupted and locked me before the final boss room.
I loved the game too
I liked it. Well I like playing as multiple characters plus cream is op in that.
I really liked the story, characters and move commands. But the strategy/customisation part needs an overhaul and oh lord the overworld lock & key abilities. It's Like Pokemon HM's but worse.
0:52 the story is my favourite bit... its written really well and the ending almost made me cry
"Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood"
Touchy subject, dude.
And they never going to do the part 2
can we talk about how the intro music to Sonic Rush Adventure sounds like it belongs in a DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball game?
Whenever someone mentions sonic rush, i get flashbacks to altitude limit
And I’m so glad he spoke up about it
25:29 *no no, he's got a point*
Honestly
I have so much nostalgia for Sonic Chronicles, which is really is annoying cause I know it’s a not great game, but whenever I think about it, I only have memories of how much I loved it as a kid. This was also one of my first ever sonic games, with rush being the first and this second.
To be fair, your not the only person to have fond memories involving a bad game. I've run into people that generally enjoy "Falling Stars" a PS2 game that takes place in a world smaller than the starting city in Final Fantasy XII that features multiple areas that take upwards of 30 seconds to load into yet looks like a late PS1 game in terms of graphics. And the overall story and side quests can probably be beaten in around 10 hours with about a third of that being load screens.
And, I've run into fans of "Lunar: Dragon Song" as well. A game so bad that one of my co-workers who loved the franchise couldn't watch me play it.
This reminded me that now there’s a “Sonic at the Olympic Games” not Mario and Sonic, just Sonic.