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How to Make a Cold Paint Palette for Painting Miniatures
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2020
- Introducing the cold palette. It's the painting equivalent of getting your chocolate into their peanut butter. Combines the best features of a wet palette with a regular palette.
I forgot to mention that while you can use it immediately, it takes about 15 minutes for condensation to begin to form, and about an hour to maximum equilibrium.
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Tried this tonight. Typically I use a ceramic palette with wells because I batch paint multiple miniatures. Putting the palette on the kind of squishy gel freezer packs for medical use allowed for maximum contact with the ceramic. Here in central Illinois it worked a treat. Massive increase in usable time.
This video should have more views.
The perfect idea, I'll just go out to the hardware store and ah- I'm still in lockdown.
*Heads into the bathroom with a crowbar and an appraising look*
Dr Foust, you are a mad genius! You've solved all of my woes with one invention. The wet pallet made my thin layers into chaos. Problem solved by the tile cold pallet!
Adding the ice pack is genius! It's crazy how good this works. I have been using this for a couple days now and my paints are staying workable for a lot longer. I just have to dial in the thickness of the top towel.
I set one up tonight and it’s working beautifully!
I just tried it yesterday, and it does indeed work. After 3-4 hours of the paint being on the cold palette it was still as new!
This truly is an amazing idea...definitely get this patent!!
Just brilliant. Thank you Doctor Faust!
This is brilliant! Thanks for shareing. Painting in sommer is a real hassle... cant wait to try this.
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!
I have to congratulate you on a genius idea. I tried this last night and it is absolutely perfect for my glaze and wash heavy style.
You just made my week!
Physic.... awesome! I love it!!
Wow what a surprise invention. Definetly gona give a try.. as soon as I get one tile..
Right now in italy it's really hot and this kind of palette it's the only way to keep painting so thank you for the good hint
This is brilliant! I look forward to trying it.
Doctor I didn't think you even owned a wet pallet! Love your videos and expert techniques.
Thanks! I think I remember reading on your site like 12-15 years ago how to make a fit and have been following that advice ever since. I guess I was just a few years too early to get the good stuff. Still using an old bottle of Future and distilled water for my washes.
This is brilliant, thanks for sharing!
You are a evil genius.👍😊just awesome. I live in the Middle East and it’s summer here, so I’m definitely going to give it a try.
Excellent idea, thank you! Recently I've been experimenting with comic style painting using ink. On a dry palette it dries very fast and on a wet palette the ink becomes too dilluted after a while. This solution helps to keep the ink perfecly moist for hours which is more than enough for me.
Great idea. Thanks for sharing it.
This is awesome! Thank you!
Wow man... Finally find someone that likes to paint with a "kitchen" tile. It is also my favorite way to paint. This option is fantastic. Will try for sure the next time I paint. Thank for the suggestions :)
This is freaking awesome!! I love it!! Test it 2x and it is the best thing I've discovered since wet pallet.
Only suggestion is to put the tile on top of the ice containers first and then after a little bit put the towel to control the condensation. Otherwise it will take some time since you start seeing condensation.
Thanks for sharing... you made my painting time happier :)
Great Lock Screen, great video!
That's awesome. i'm going to give it try.
So, this is a great idea.
I've stored my wet palette with canvas acrylics in the fridge a couple of times for other reasons.
I think I might want to try this with a cooling pad made for a small dog and see how that balances out with the condensation.
Clever!!! I’m trying it!
Damn! That works great. I use ProAcryl and they don't act very well for me on a wet palette. I usually have to get it damp, not really wet. I've repurposed my Masterson's for your cold palette idea. Man! it works great. Thank you sir.
This is effin' ingenious! I'm no friend of the wet palette either, and I regularly take breaks from painting and it's quite annoying when I get back and the paint has dried up and I have to mix up new one, not to mention it feels like a waste. Now I live in a temperate climate, and the summer has not been a killer (yet - still August left), but it would be interesting to see how this works in the winter as well.
Gonna give this a try 👍🏻. Thanks 😊
In Australia and have issues in summer with drying paint. Going to give it a go.
This is really cool.
That is awesome! I would love to see a time lapse between a "cold palette " and a tile one
Very interesting idea! I really like that :)
I will try this at some point. My wet palette has a pretty deep reservoir so i could probably fit those packs in. Just need to sort out a ceramic tile.
this is brilliant
That s a really interesting idea.
Very interesting, going to give it a try it, here during the hot summer days.
As for the wet palette don't use wet palette paper you normal kitchen parchment paper (without silicon), I also had horrible experiences with "wet palette" paper, it sucks up too much water or sucks the water out of the paints. Parchment paper worked a lot better but still have issues especially in the summer months.
I've found I've had more issues with parchment paper than the stuff that comes with the Masterson's pallete. I'm almost positive that the Masteron's stuff is just fine, but it's just a few influences that have spoiled the market on it. There are no remotely scientific comparisons of the two, just people saying that it's bad with remotely scientific evidence supporting the statement.
Sound like you have a bad wet palette or use it wrong. I started using the army painter wet palette and after a few days of getting used to it its awesome. Even glazes and inks stay on the paper and the paints stay wet for hours even if the palette is open.
@Bob Duckington then your palette is too wet. The sponge has to be wet but there shouldn't be any water swimming around in the palette. Had the same issues you described until I stopped flooding the entire palette and just moistened the sponge a little at a time.
@Bob Duckington well I have none of those problems so it's either you or your paint since we are both using the same palette.
That's not my intent. Damn near everyone online shits on the paper that comes with the Masterson's pallete. I've never seen a single person SHOW a scrap of evidence to support their claims that it's bad. I've used a wet pallete for the last five or so years, I had more significant issues with parchment paper than with the paper that came with my wet pallete. (Edges curling up mostly.) I have never seen anyone back their statements that the artists type wet palette paper is bad with any sort of actual evidence. This, in combination with my own experiences, leads me to believe that opinion the internet at large is wrong and not based in fact.
Great tips!
Nice idea
I've been using a tile for palette for some years and in winter in Sweden it haven't been a problem, during summer though...
I'm defiantly gonna give this a try. Just need to get me a new tile since I moved :0
This idea is brilliant! I really think you should try some Kickstarter production. Thanks to this fantastic channel it sul get a lot of founders. Surely will get me!
I have to give this a try
Great idea, I have yet to try it . I live in a cold area , I'll let you know how it works out.
Another tip if you're going to try this;
Most online tile places will send you free samples. I used Topps Tiles (UK) but there are loads of different companies out there.
This has worked really, really well for me. I'm luxuriating in a hot, humid Florida climate, FYI.
Have you used baking paper for the wet pallet? I used it with the paper that came with it and it's crap. Using baking parchment allows it to function way better.
Yup. The paper it comes with is not made for the techniques commonly used by mini painters. Even some paper that was made for mini painting i found for myself to not work as well as good old baking parchment.
I agree. Still using my homemade palette with baking parchment. I don't often make glazes that I'll need days later, but even for a layer consistency I can keep my paints workable for a good solid week without needing to top it off with water. Still want to give the cold palette a try though.
Zak Hoskins I use parchment too and it’s perfect for glazes
I've tried other wet palettes with different papers. I used the Masterson for this video because it was the first one I grabbed for demo purposes.
Doctor Faust's Painting Clinic really and the baking paper type like with everlasting doesn’t work for your glazes ? Hmm well to each his own ;)
pretty genius, this. Gonna give it a try. Cause I also kinda prefer the ol tile.
Nice. I’ve been using this method for years but with a perforated piece of plexi.
Tried it and it worked amazingly perfect. You might want to patent this idea.
I'll have to give this a try as I used to use tiles for pallets, I think I have them somewhere. My painting area suffers from both being very humid so hard to spray in and prone to drying out my paints and water pots rather fast so it will be interesting if this works as glass pop bottles here sweat like nobody's business.
That's a great solution
Well done
Genius!!!!
Tried it today. Five hours later the paints are still fresh.
Nice! Something similar (but with metal instead of ceramic) was recommended by Massive Voodoo back in 2010 in their blog, they called it the Ice Palette.
True, but sadly all the image links on that blog article are now broken. Thanks Blogspot :/
massivevoodoo.blogspot.com/2010/03/tutorial-ice-palette-blending-tutorial.html
That said, there's another guy who "invented" it back in 2015 on the CMON forums, whose image links aren't broken.
www.coolminiornot.com/articles/8388-the-ice-palette
I assumed I wasn't the first to think of it. Just couldn't find anything similar with Google. Too common of words to search for.
Nice!
I have been struggling with using a wet palette to get the right amount of water in it. Most of the time I just dip straight into the paint pot, I do add a little thinner to the pots to improve flow. After watching you use this method in a previous video I started using one, too, but was then struggling to keep the paint from drying out so fast. I was missing the ice pack part of it. Thanks for this video with the thought process behind it. I'll have go get a couple ice packs and a container to hold them.
Mind blown
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Looove your comment! I read the book several times and loved the movie too. It’s not the mosquitos blood, Charlie!
I was all geared up to laugh at your surely hilarious joke, and now I'm going to dig through the freezer and look for ice packs. This is really interesting. Thank you for sharing!
I tried your cold palette last week-end, wonderful idea. I just need to double the thickness of the top towel because my palette ended up being too wet (I use a ceramic palette)
I'll have to try this out. I've been using a title as well and have a hard time with my paint drying out. I tried the wet palette for a few months and wasn't a fan of it. I like to thin may paints and with the wet palette it makes a mess fast.
I'll let you know how it goes. ;)
It's your very own Invention Exchange project! It's no Doktari stool, but more useful!
I bought that same wet pallet and had all the problems you listed. Waste of 20 bucks or whatever I spent. Looks like I'll get to upgrade for a cheap price. Thanks.
I used a similar sponge in my wet pallet...it is good at soaking up water... hence I switched back to paper kitchen towels...those seem better at keeping my pallet moist instead of themselves.
very interesting! I foresee a company making a powered cooling palette
Huh... that's intriguing. Personally I don't really use a wet palette all that often (read: I have a homemade one that I've used a handful of times) because it just doesn't mesh well with the way I paint but I may have to give this a try.
Worth a try! NorCal in July, 98° @ 20% humidity. Anything would help. Thanks
Dude great idea. Should like make a full on product.
$.25 tile, $2 ice packs, $.35 microfiber, $1 tub. Coming soon to GW for $35 and soon after from Redgrass for $75.
wow
Oil painters, we put our oils in the freezer in between sessions. Kind of cool to see a similarity with acrylic based mediums
btw i would totally buy dr. Faust branded products
What can you use instead of a tile?
Great idea. Now the controversy will be over whether the best name for this is the cool palette, the chill palette, or the frosty palette.
Interesting. Can you store the paint in the fridge?
Oh really good trick, i will try, i always watch you from Spain, and its very hot here...i will feedback you 👍
It seems to me that the effectiveness of this is going to depend greatly on atmospheric conditions. For example, if the air is too dry, you won't get any condensation. Too humid and you'll get too much.
Yeah. This is my concern too. Not a lot of humidity in AZ aside from monsoon season. The gf has a humidifier though, so maybe I could just have that nearby and see how that goes.
I came up with this while humidity was at 20% and hot, which is average for the middle of a desert.
@@ThePaintingClinic Fantastic. I'll be assembling mine tomorrow and giving it a go. I like glazing, but the water keeps seeping down through the paper, so this seems like a great way to go.
that would work
Use Baking parchment paper that’s what’s on the everlasting wet pallet it will allow you to use glazes with that masterson try it Doc please I promise parchment paper makes a huge difference that pallet paper is crap. Also I’ve also been using a frozen tile put in freezer ever since I saw you painting with a tile lol i fig try a frozen tile but it had too much condensation. But seriously try the paper and Kujo painting does same with the masterson pallet the parchment paper is the key!
You may even be able to keep your ice packs cold for longer if you put the towel under the ice packs. It will help insulate the ice packs and keep them cold longer
Not sure if I misunderstood this, but the main reason I use a wetpalette is to not waste so much paint. Drypalette keeps the paint usable for a couple of minutes (if you dont keep adding water), wetpalette keeps the paint usable for over a week. This coldpalette may help with the actual painting, but you still cant keep the paint wet for longer than the icepacks last, right?
It's more about controlling how thin the paint is rather than keeping it wet forever. Maybe it's because I work on lots of different miniatures, but I don't need paint to last a week.
@@ThePaintingClinic Well sure, but I'm not sure paint consistency is the main reason people use wetpallets, so proposing the cold palette as an alternative may not really be viable. I may be wrong.
@@Anecron1 Like I said in the video, if a wet palette works for you that's great. It's not an idea that's made for everybody and not meant to replace a wet palette. It just an idea that combines some of features from both camps for those looking for something that may work for them.
That looks like the condition of my wet pallet.
It has been about two years since explaining this concept... any longterm use feedback?
I guess it could rehydrate the paint as well right? so you would waste less
I was taught something like this so 20yrs ago, but instead of a title it was brick/clay and a glaze flat top in water. No ice thou.
you need a kickstarter to develop a prototype of this thing
Hello
You said patent pending at the end of the video, I hope you were not playing about that. Patent it before some other jerk tries to make money from your idea and prevent them to sue anyone else using your idea.
A happy "Medium".
Ok, Mr Freeze.
dude I hope you seriously did put a patent if it works, if you didn't army painter and artis opus are already working on prototypes
it's a crime against capitalism that you showed this for free, this is like printing money. a wet pallet that doesn't need new paper? that doesn't mold? that doesn't dry all the same if the room is too dry or windy or hot? and has an actual hard surface and not some flappy spongy paper response? thank you so much for this idea and tutorial!
I have never had that problem with my wet palette. My washes stay great for days...get rid of that crap paper that comes with the wet palette and use parchment paper. Cool...thanks for sharing...
Hey man, you can't use masterson's paper, its HORRIBAD for painting with acrylics. Instead just buy some very cheap parchment paper you use for baking. Cut to size, and oh my god do they work really and I mean really well. It lets a small amount of moisture through and it makes blending work very well.
Porous is not the word of this video, condensation is the word :) (maybe also evaporation and insulation)
Just use oils. Just started, and I can't imagine ever going back. Acrylics suck ass.