Rare Chord: maj7‡6‡9add12 is a harmonic object in 31edo
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2024
- Near JI Alignment / 31
31:53:58 in 31-edo.
When you isolate it from the rest of the 31 chordmass in the uppermid area it really shines :D
less effective when adding voices. This combination sounds so concordant and very JI.
It loses a lot of it's concordance when you add a perfect fifth or add a lower rooted octave because it's "primordial" object its aligning next to is these higher prime relationships which don't have a 3/2 till a bit higher and don't have octaves below them any sooner.
It's the R - ‡6 - 7
The result is a concordance which emerges in the mid - high range when isolated as a 3-note triad. This inversion and formation of it onto /31 gives the best concordance because of both harmonic height vs voicing. Basically if rooted on 29, now you have a pinched interval 29:31 so naturally the overall discordance will increase relative to a wider spacing of like 31:53.
Voicing onto 53 will give the most "compact" expression but also a much higher suggestion of harmonic
Voicing it off the /31 and respecting that vertical is a really nice hidden object in 31.
31:53:58
0: 1/1 0.0
1: 53/31 928.4
2: 58/31 1084.5
3: 2/1 1200.0
31-edo
0: 1/1 0.0
1: 24\31 929.0
2: 28\31 1083.8
.6c error and .7c error across the whole triad.
Interesting to me because it gives a different interpretation of the Major 7th inside of 31edo, instead of looking at it as a somewhat damaged 15/8, this rendering places it in the spectrum as a 58th above /31 (a much closer approximation ~.7 c)
This interpretation doesn’t extend to saying - view 31edo maj7 as 1/1 - 5/4 - 53/31 because of the way verticality works. Interval composites become creepingly more complex.
#harmony #microtonality #musictheory #chords - Ігри
Babe, wake up! New 31-EDO chord theory just dropped.
It's like when you're pouring out your soul to someone but they aren't listening
This is how human music sounds to the aliens
I think that would depend where they sit on the evolutionary spectrum of consciousness. The overtone series of a pitch is a universal phenomenon of physics. Dogs and cats can hear a lot more of the sound spectrum than can we due our larger outer brain taking real estate from certain autonomic functions like hearing and smell. But these animals don’t respond emotionally to music. How would Paleolithic humans respond to Wagner or Stravinsky?Perhaps an alien species of humanoid creatures that has a 100,000 year head start in terms of evolution might find Wagner and Stravinsky unbearably primitive.
For the history books: irony fat was here
As was Matt-id4ug
@@Matt-id4ug As was Thomas-yl8lb :)
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We all watched the video watched the video
Donkey!
The crunchiness of these chords is vivid
the power of the harmonic objects!! :D
I love how this is slightly uncomfortable and relaxing at the same time.
This is awesome. Makes me imagine someone lost in a forest at night, feeling hopeless and desperately trying to find a way out. Realizing that there's no point in trying to get out in the darkness, they eventually decide to lie down and gaze at the stars
Love these descriptive interpretations!! Thanks for painting such a vivid account! :3
@@ZheannaErose ❤💕
It's a Dark Forest, dude. Keep your head down!
I love how 31-edo allows the piano to have much more timbre diversity through the use of harmony. If this would have been practical to use in the 19-20th century, this would have been what composers such as Ravel or Debussy would have used in their compositions.
I hope to god you’ve heard the ray kallay duo, Christopher Bailey, or Michael Harrison
I've never had an experience that replicated the first time I've heard Ravel's Miroirs for the first time. The sensation of full body chills when I was 14. I watched this video in a busy restaurant with one earbud in and the visceral experience reminded me of that concert when i was young. Thank you for this slice of musical euphoria Erose! I hope you continue this channel, I'm excited to see where this medium will go.
I wish my brain was big enough to understand this. This is so cool :DDDD
a fortunate moment of alignment in which a Root - Major Sixth - Major Seventh is only 1 semisharp away in 31edo from well approximating the 31:53:58 harmonic series object. Gives this chord a very particular concordance less accessible in more fundamentals sonorities in 31edo. Can be naturally extended following the /31 harmonic series alignments. The next one after R - ^6 - 7 is the ^9 giving;
31:53:58:71
@@ZheannaErose you definitely have Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein somewhere in your family tree
didn't understood a word out of this lol@@ZheannaErose
@@ZheannaEroseOh! So 31:53:58 are interval ratios that appear in the harmonic series which aren’t able to be played in 12edo but can be approximated in 31edo?
I love the bell-like sound it has from all the overtone approximations. It makes me wish Messiaen had access to this sort of microtonal scale. It seems like it would be super effective for mimicking bird calls and bells just because of how you can really reach those high overtones very precisely
Through this video I decided to take a look at your channel and I came to the conclusion that I have no idea what it's about, but I still loved it :D
spent weeks in the rare chord mines type beat
I was confused for a moment because I hadn't read the description and there's a typo describing the upper number in the otonal triad as 59 rather than 58 near the beginning but then I saw the 58s elsewhere and did the mental math again and realised what had happened. Anyway! Really high harmonics like this are fascinating because they blur the line between these very discrete harmonic relationships you have further down the series and specific temperaments of those relationships achieved through substitution with more complex ratios, with certain intervals melting into one another in a slightly uncanny way.
Glad these have returned. Thank you for this work.
the first two chords and the passing notes between pierced my soul something fierce
THE DOPAMINE WHEN I SAW A NEW UPLOAD FROM YE-
this sounds like either trying damn hard to pick up the pieces of a fuzzy memory, and/or tryna keep intrusive thoughts from spiralin-
That final chord like jumping into a cold lake oooh
This is bloody amazing❤
Please, never stop blessing us with these nuggets of gold ❤
always happy to see more 31-edo content !
Beautiful harmonies, I would love to hear more!
Thank you for this series
ethereal and beautiful sounds 🎶
this sounds strangely beautiful, i could listen to a whole album of this
Nine Inch Nails "Ghosts" albums, and Aphex Twin (a lot but especially) "Selected Ambient Works Vol II" and "Drukqs", give a lot of very interesting creative sonic textures than can at times be very creatively discordant and not. Boards of Canada is much more harmonious and resonant than this but also very interesting sonic textures. Highly recommend checking those out if you haven't, if you like this kinda satisfying sonic weirdness and want it rooted in song context in album-listenable format.
@@JN-so6wtand Aphex twin also uses microtonality!
Your music just makes me smile!
you are such an inspiration, Zheanna
This is how alien music sounds to the humans (literally out of this world. wow)
all of this is finally starting to make sense im so happy
always a special time when the new rare chord shows up in my feed
gnarly harmonies!
0:51 is just genuinely insane i dont think theres really a word that encapsulates the density of this moment
THE CRUNCH MUST FLOW
Yay these are back
yes :3
@@ZheannaErose Your work blows my mind every time, thank you so much for all that you do!
Stunning end chord!
Looove the experimentation
This is a such a warm piece, although not as bright as ohremya, but it sounds, calm, warm and sensational
Wow 😳 This is lovely
This is awesome, I need a book about composing in 31-tet now
I want to know how that wheel works
so pretty!
that last chord was beautiful (*´ω｀*)
new xenharmonic video just dropped never clicked faster
Beautiful.
Oh, this reminds me of our home planet)
amazing
Aaaa im in love
Very emotional
0:53 absolutely gorgeous
Great piece! I wonder if you wrote that using Open Music from Ircam. Bravo anyway
Amazing
Obsessed
chaotic neutral music rpg role
it's like i can feel it flaying my nerves open to soothe them with a direct connection fhskdhskjxksjdj
So cool
I'd be curious what the result would be if one were to apply this harmonic system in the framework of the classical sonata form, theme and variations, or even a symphonic work in 4 movements. Imagine something along the lines of Max Reger vaping DMT rather than getting hammered on Schnapps.
Could see this in earthbound
its crazy how much neutral those 0 6 12 - 0 24 48
thatll work
So beautiful! Thanks, Zheanna ❤
I hope you don't mind me asking, but if I were to study 31-edo and other microtonal systems in the future, what would you recommend I study prior to those as foundational knowledge? I have no idea where to start or what this would require of me.
0:11 reminds me of terry riley's harp of new albion
I wonder how you choose such beautiful stacks of notes when you're composing. I think theory does give you insight or direction, but it doesn't tell the concrete selections of pitches. Do you explore them with your microtonal instrument?
i listen to and embody everything deeply. theory is not generative. it can be used generatively by a generative being. this requires immanent action and direct contact with the medium.
I would love to improvise to those chords, with a modified guitar..
atonal🥰
Very cool. I'm missing your conversational/hangout videos. They were ASMR + kick-ass music theory + great compositions.
I need to understand this. How do I understand this when I have not yet mastered 12-edo in the slightest. I try to compose and my writing just sounds immature and shit. Please guide me.
Imagine actually trying to play this 💀💀
Is this being played on a Lumatone? Also, is this a VST instrument providing the sound? I may have to get in to this myself.
I think she uses pianoteq vst
also what software(s) do you use to make microtonal stuff?
I feel a wide range of emotions in some chords. Could you share how you do playback? Is this some kind of notation program or are you running a MIDI file through DAW? Do you use any specific sound libraries or what?
what does the term "harmonic object" mean in this context
what?
how do you write it in 31edo with notation???
Could work with some chinese reed flute
what program did you use to visualise the overtones?
“Zheel”, a custom program built by a friend based on specs I invented for the zhean wheels to illustrate alignments of regular vs irregular spaces.
It's good but it won't replace music
Too late
What was so bad about music that you had to do this to it?
what program do u use to compose these pieces?
Probably pianoteq vst
@@simonsanchezkumrich8489 ty
Luckily this music is not "sensured" 😅
What chord analyzer app is that?
its my zhean wheel application. it's not public. maybe sometime i will release it!
Ive been dabbing in microtonality since ableton 12 released with its tuning system features
I still havent made a full song in it ahh
There are some unconfortable pitches, they set me in awkward mood
Oh shit, the infamous maj7‡6‡9add12, or how mere mortals call it: dissonance
😜
Just mildly poking fun btw ;)
Don't take it seriously. It sounds interesting for sure
you need to tune the piano!
Very non wobbly music!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/31_equal_temperament
Ok genuine question. Why do I severely dislike the sound. I understand little about music theory, I have good sense of pitch and can copy Melody pretty easily. I play an instrument ok, but beyond that I’m not trained in theory or professional music
The effort and musical prowess that musicians who work in microtone such as yourself, is not lost on me but something about these chords are incredibly jarring. It just sounds so off key