Rotating Polygons on the Circle of Fifths | Surprising Results!

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
  • Rotating 10 regular polygons on the circle of fifths to produce musical sequences.
    The first couple of regular polygons (the triangle and the square) have easy-to-foresee musical results, but others are not so obvious until you see/hear them!
    This visualization was written in Java using a graphical library called Processing (processing.org), and Java's built-in MIDI library for sound (package javax.sound.midi).
    0:00 Triangle
    1:17 Square
    2:10 Pentagon
    3:14 Hexagon
    4:06 Heptagon
    5:04 Octagon
    6:08 Nonagon
    7:13 Decagon
    8:09 Hendecagon
    9:11 Dodecagon
    ________
    Interested in learning more about algorithms and how to program? Here are some useful and/or classic textbooks that I recommend (these are affiliate links, if you buy one, I get a small commission):
    ▶ “Algorithms” (4th Edition) by Robert Sedgewick & Kevin Wayne: amzn.to/3uo25xR
    ▶ “Effective Java” (3rd Edition) by Joshua Bloch: amzn.to/3HOnYJL
    ▶ “Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software” by Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson, & John Vlissides: amzn.to/49fpr7R
    ▶ “Discrete Algorithmic Mathematics” by Stephen B. Maurer & Anthony Ralston: amzn.to/4bmsOvG
    #music #musictheory #circleoffifths #polygon #code #java #software #computerscience #visualization #geometry #rotation #algorithmicmusic #algorithmiccomposition
  • Наука та технологія

КОМЕНТАРІ • 710

  • @mencken8
    @mencken8 27 днів тому +145

    I am not a musician. I have never understood “Circle of Fifths.” This has now raised my level of incomprehension by a power.

    • @hc3550
      @hc3550 27 днів тому +4

      😂

    • @alexisfonjallaz7237
      @alexisfonjallaz7237 26 днів тому +5

      Power greater or smaller than one?

    • @jasongodding6655
      @jasongodding6655 3 дні тому +2

      Long story short: in music theory, the sequence of F - C - G - D - A - E - B (or its reverse) comes up a LOT. Each of those notes is an interval called a "perfect fifth" away from the next. So it's a sequence of fifths.
      Add in the five other notes common in Western music (the black notes on a piano) and you can make the sequence into a circle.
      It's handy for remembering things like which key has what sharps or flats, once you are used to it.

    • @anonymousanonymous-nt8ls
      @anonymousanonymous-nt8ls 2 дні тому +1

      It's a tool that simplifies scales. You have to know what a scale is first. Go learn that.

    • @LordAikido
      @LordAikido День тому

      Circle of fifths is just a fancy way of organizing every 5th note. It's a useful tool for musicians.

  • @QueenOfMud
    @QueenOfMud Місяць тому +1100

    Hendecagon: Oh wow, that's complex and interesting.
    Dodecagon: What the fuck.

    • @gustavgnoettgen
      @gustavgnoettgen Місяць тому +58

      Hendecagon is the eighties computer jingle.

    • @erock.steady
      @erock.steady Місяць тому +46

      Dodecagon is what a concussion sounds like. every time.

    • @nesquick311
      @nesquick311 Місяць тому +20

      The Hendecagon isn't complex, it's just playing the circle of fifths

    • @QueenOfMud
      @QueenOfMud Місяць тому +6

      @@nesquick311 I understand.

    • @gustavgnoettgen
      @gustavgnoettgen Місяць тому +7

      @@nesquick311That is arguably complex.

  • @pikajade
    @pikajade Місяць тому +675

    things i did not expect to learn from this:
    - rotating a pentagon around a circle of fifths will produce a chromatic scale
    - the first half of the gamecube intro is the circle of fourths but pitch shifted

    • @nobody08088
      @nobody08088 Місяць тому +49

      I guess they're called fifths for a reason

    • @Mr.Nichan
      @Mr.Nichan Місяць тому +17

      I realized from the decagon that two circles of fifths a tritone apart (and going in the same direction) is the same as two chromatic scales (circles of half steps) a tritone apart (and going in the same direction as each other), because a tritone plus a half step is a perfect fifth and/or because a tritone minus a half step is a perfect fourth.

    • @Magst3r1
      @Magst3r1 Місяць тому +9

      It's not, it's just the same instrument, not the same notes at all

    • @blackmage1276
      @blackmage1276 Місяць тому +3

      Playing fourths like that is called plagal harmony

    • @Arycke
      @Arycke Місяць тому +6

      ​@@blackmage1276quartal harmony usually.

  • @cubefromblender
    @cubefromblender Місяць тому +558

    The 11 polygon is actualy a fire ringtone

  • @davidhensley76
    @davidhensley76 27 днів тому +54

    Imagine having a wall of hand-cranked versions of this in a children's museum.

    • @fridtjofstein2993
      @fridtjofstein2993 19 днів тому +3

      And the museum guard must be replaced every two days due to a nervous breakdown.

    • @squorsh
      @squorsh 14 днів тому +2

      Imagine if it was a board with pegs and string where people could draw out a shape with the string and have it rotate

    • @ryanrevis827
      @ryanrevis827 7 днів тому

      That sir is a brilliant idea.

  • @woah284
    @woah284 Місяць тому +422

    Hendecagon sounds like the Game Cube startup screen

    • @jhoni_48hz95
      @jhoni_48hz95 Місяць тому +16

      That's why this so nostalgic but i don't know where the tune come from 😂

    • @blahdelablah
      @blahdelablah Місяць тому +3

      It also sounds like one of the sounds used in Brain Training for the Nintendo DS.

    • @Farvadude
      @Farvadude Місяць тому +1

      it sounds like something from the original paper mario's soundtrack but i can't remember where

    • @MT-pe8bh
      @MT-pe8bh Місяць тому +4

      @@Farvadude Sounds like the endless staircase from Mario 64

    • @Farvadude
      @Farvadude Місяць тому +4

      @@MT-pe8bh you're right that's it

  • @needamuffin
    @needamuffin Місяць тому +66

    The 11-gon actually illustrates the principle behind cycloidal drives, a type of transmission. The inner gear (the polygon) having just one fewer teeth than the outer (the circle of fifths) gives it this unique rotational mode that acts as a 11:1 gear reduction. In this case, that means it will play every note 11 times before the polygon rotates once.

  • @trainzack
    @trainzack Місяць тому +445

    When used in this way, any regular polygon with A * B vertices (where A and B are positive integers) will behave the same as A copies of a regular polygon with B vertices. Because of this property, the really novel behavior will be on a the prime-numbered polygons.
    I wonder whether every sequence of intervals is possible?

    • @lemming7188
      @lemming7188 Місяць тому +33

      Does this mean that theoretically any interval cycle could be represented by a Polygon with a vertex count that is Prime?

    • @lemming7188
      @lemming7188 Місяць тому +28

      If true, could be a super interesting tool for classification. Would get extremely impractical though lol

    • @Mr.Nichan
      @Mr.Nichan Місяць тому

      @@lemming7188If you just mean in 12-EDO, the interval between any two adjacent (in time) chords must always be the same, due to a sort of time-independence symmetry (involves the geometric and interval symmetry of the circle as well), and, due to the symmetry of the polygons and the factors of 12 (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 12), the chords themselves must always be one of the following:
      (a) a single note, (b) two notes a tritone apart, (c) an augmented chord, (d), a fully diminished 7th chord, (e) a whole tone scale (as a chord), or (f) a chromatic scale (all 12 notes played at once)
      This is the same if you use the "circle of half-steps" instead of the circle of fifths, and is probably easier to understand for the "circle of half-steps".
      Anyway, this means the number of possible patterns so very limited I can list them:
      1) The pentagon's pattern from the video
      2) The heptagon's pattern (pentagon's pattern backwards)
      3) The hendecagon's pattern backwards (same just using an arrow point out from the center in one direction)
      4) The hendecagon's pattern
      5) The decagon's pattern
      6) The decagon's pattern backwards (should be the tetradecagon's pattern)
      7) The triangle's pattern
      8) The nonagon's pattern (the triangle's pattern backwards)
      9) The octagon's pattern (the square's pattern backwards)
      10) The square's pattern
      11) The hexagon's pattern
      12) the dodecagon's pattern
      (Note that the reason we only have backwards and forwards for each multi-note chord is because none of factors of 12 is relatively prime with anything less than it other than 1 and the factor minus 1.)
      Interesting how there are 12, just like there are 12 notes in the scale (in 12-EDO). I'm not sure if that's a general pattern though. By the way, to check if the similarity between the circle of fifths and circle of half-steps applies in other EDO's, you need to use intervals that are n steps in m-EDO where n and m are relatively prime.*
      *To explain further: "m-EDO" means "m Equal Divisions of the Octave" (or similar), and the smallest interval in such a system is a 2^(1/m) ratio or frequency or wavelenth. To get an interval cycle that passes through every note of m-EDO, you need an interval whose ratio is 2^(n/m) where the greatest common divisor of n and m is 1. In 12-EDO, n must be 1 (single half step), 5 (perfect fourth = 5 half steps), 7 (perfect fifth = 7 half steps), 11, (major seventh = 11 half-steps) or possibly other numbers like -1 (half-step in other direction) or 13 (minor ninth) that are octave-equivalent to those, so we just have the circle of fifths and the circle of half-steps, where-as other intervals cycle before getting to every note:
      whole step (2^(2/12)=2^(1/6)) generates 6-EDO, e.g. a whole tone scale
      minor third (2^(3/12)=2^(1/4)) generates 4-EDO, e.g. a fully diminished seventh chord
      major third (2^(4/12)=2^(1/3)) generates 3-EDO, e.g. an augmented chord
      tritone (2^(6/12)=2^(1/2)) generates 2-EDO, e.g. two notes a tritone apart in each octave
      minor sixth (2^(8/12)=2^(2/3)) generates 3-EDO
      major sixth (2^(9/12)=2^(3/4)) generates 4-EDO
      minor seventh (2^(10/12)=2^(5/6)) generates 6-EDO
      octave (2^(12/12)=2^(1/1)=2) generates 1-EDO one note in each octave
      major ninth (2^(14/12)=2^(7/6)) generates 6-EDO,
      etc.
      In other EDOs, you would have more cycles that go through every note, for example, in prime number EDOs like 31-EDO, every single interval generates such a cycle.

    • @YuvalS.8026
      @YuvalS.8026 Місяць тому +9

      That's why I think it'll be interesting to check out more primal numbered polygons, since 11 did factor a new sequence

    • @zyklqrswx
      @zyklqrswx Місяць тому +4

      @@lemming7188 somebody better do a paper on this

  • @channalbert
    @channalbert Місяць тому +182

    It's insane to see the consequences of modular arithmetic in mod12 (the arithmetic of clocks, i.e. 6 + 7 = 1, 8+8 = 4, etc) in music so clearly. For example, 11 = -1 (as in one hour before 12:00, that is, one hour before 00:00). You can see that the effect of an 11 sided polygon is the same as a "1 sided polygon" (aka, a needle) ticking backwards. The same happens with 7 = -5, that's why a 7 and 5 sound the same but backwards. And more generally any two numbers a and b that add up to 12 (or a power of 12), like 3 and 9, because 9 = -3.

    • @elliottbeckerpeeler9697
      @elliottbeckerpeeler9697 Місяць тому +5

      fascinating connections!

    • @Th_RealDirtyDan
      @Th_RealDirtyDan Місяць тому +4

      Which is also why 6 in either direction sounds exactly the same

    • @mykelhawkmusic
      @mykelhawkmusic Місяць тому +1

      Took the words right out my mouth 💯

    • @channalbert
      @channalbert 20 днів тому

      @@Th_RealDirtyDan Wow, true! Did not even realize!

  • @aaronkessman7832
    @aaronkessman7832 Місяць тому +98

    The 11 sided one is such a cool rhythm. Like bossa nova played on a telephone

    • @aaronkessman7832
      @aaronkessman7832 Місяць тому +2

      Subscribed BTW 😊

    • @Samichlaus01
      @Samichlaus01 Місяць тому +1

      Sound like Gamecube intro:D

    • @nxyuu
      @nxyuu 27 днів тому +1

      the rhythm isn't that interesting lol, it's just the notes

    • @normanberg6502
      @normanberg6502 10 днів тому

      Press your luck gameshow

  • @alnitaka
    @alnitaka Місяць тому +47

    Try a 120-45-15 degree triangle. You will get all the major or minor chords, depending on how you orient the triangle.

    • @gorrofrigio5570
      @gorrofrigio5570 Місяць тому +12

      Indeed, "imperfect" polygons are way more useful musically-speaking than "perfect" polygons. The "everything's a little broken, and that's ok" thing applies here gracefully!

    • @louisaruth
      @louisaruth 26 днів тому +5

      have you ever noticed that the triangle you're describing can be flipped to be the other? major and minor chords are just reflections of each other. blows my mind

  • @PrinceOfDarkness2k7
    @PrinceOfDarkness2k7 Місяць тому +1004

    I challenge you to make a shape that looks like africa that plays Africa by Toto as it rotates.

    • @purple_rose959
      @purple_rose959 Місяць тому +29

      that’s impossible

    • @d3tuned378
      @d3tuned378 Місяць тому +72

      I challenge you to come up with a less zoomer idea

    • @akneeg6782
      @akneeg6782 Місяць тому +78

      ​@@d3tuned378I challenge you to make a shape that looks like Africa that plays Africa by Toto as it rotates.

    • @d3tuned378
      @d3tuned378 Місяць тому +8

      @@akneeg6782 that's the same idea

    • @barfboy2000
      @barfboy2000 Місяць тому +10

      Mandelbrot plays Rosana.

  • @Typical.Anomaly
    @Typical.Anomaly Місяць тому +45

    9:26 I knew it was coming, but it still gave me chills.
    13-gon: same as 11
    14-gon: faster tritone-apart chromatic scale
    15-gon: fast repeating augmented chords?
    16-gon: fast repeating dim 7 chords?
    17-gon: go away
    18-gon: whole-tone chords, _really fast_
    19-gon: leave me alone

    • @Mr.Nichan
      @Mr.Nichan Місяць тому +7

      I expect all the prime-number-gons will do either chromatic scales or circles of fifths due to a couple of symmetries of the situation. Actually, all n-gons where n is relatively prime with 12 (so isn't divisible by 2 or 3) should have this property. The first non-prime one of these is 25, which should play the circle of fifths in the same direction it rotates since it's one more than 24, which is 2 times 12.

    • @jimmygarza8896
      @jimmygarza8896 Місяць тому +1

      Pentadecagon should be 3 simultaneous chromatic scales, each a major third apart.

    • @Typical.Anomaly
      @Typical.Anomaly Місяць тому +1

      @@jimmygarza8896 Technically that's the same as "fast repeating augmented chords," but I should have stated that they move in a chromatic loop.

    • @jimmyfahringer5588
      @jimmyfahringer5588 27 днів тому +1

      I want to hear the 17-gon.

  • @MischaKavin
    @MischaKavin Місяць тому +84

    If there's gonna be a follow-up, it would be really cool to have the notes play in a few octaves, then do a gentle bandpass on the middle frequencies. You'd get a cool variant on that staircase illusion, and hitting C again wouldn't be as stark!

    • @toddhoustein
      @toddhoustein Місяць тому

      Shepard tones ua-cam.com/video/PwFUwXxfZss/v-deo.html

    • @teraspeXt
      @teraspeXt Місяць тому

      decagon

  • @crushermach3263
    @crushermach3263 Місяць тому +39

    I like the attention to little details. The little wind up the polygons do in the opposite direction before turning regularly and the slow down at the end of the rotation. You didn't have to do that. It didn't help majorly with the visualization, but you did it anyways. Kudos.

  • @TransPlantTransLate147
    @TransPlantTransLate147 Місяць тому +52

    The nonagon going clockwise makes me think of some kind of cartoony Industrial Revolution-era factory scene, while going counterclockwise it just makes me think of a video game major boss intro.

    • @SquaredNES
      @SquaredNES Місяць тому +3

      photoshop flowey

    • @pikajade
      @pikajade Місяць тому

      the counter-clockwise one is actually really similar to a song called hyper zone 1 from kirby's dream land 3

    • @woah284
      @woah284 Місяць тому

      Game Cube loading screen

    • @a_soulspark
      @a_soulspark Місяць тому +1

      the clockwise one sounds a lot like Nuclear Fusion from Touhou as well

    • @m90e
      @m90e Місяць тому

      Counterclockwise is just the first four notes of Hyper Zone 1 from Kirby’s Dreamland 3 (Final boss phase 1 theme)

  • @mykelhawkmusic
    @mykelhawkmusic Місяць тому +19

    You gonna F around and open a portal to another dimension you keep this up!

    • @dereknolin5986
      @dereknolin5986 Місяць тому

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Music_of_Erich_Zann

    • @ericleventhal
      @ericleventhal 27 днів тому

      It’s the nonagon, don’t you know? Nonagon Infinity opens the door.

  • @brianbecher5781
    @brianbecher5781 Місяць тому +14

    The 11-gon had me saying "no whammy no whammy big bucks big bucks!" 🤣

  • @Budjarn
    @Budjarn Місяць тому +62

    I am very curious to see what this would look and sound like for equal divisions of the octave other than 12 (the best ones might be 5, 7, 17, 19, and 22, because they are relatively small, and contain one and only one circle of fifths).

    • @robo3007
      @robo3007 Місяць тому +4

      Also I'd be interested to see 60, just because the large number of divisors it has would make for lots of chord combinations

    • @Budjarn
      @Budjarn Місяць тому +1

      @@robo3007 True!

    • @lasstunsspielen8279
      @lasstunsspielen8279 Місяць тому +2

      60 would sound the same as 12 but 5 times quicker

    • @robo3007
      @robo3007 Місяць тому +4

      @@lasstunsspielen8279 Yes but polygons that have a number of sides that is equal to a divisor of 60 but not of 12 will make chords that aren't heard here

    • @pez1870
      @pez1870 Місяць тому +4

      you forgot 31!!!

  • @thecloudwyrm7966
    @thecloudwyrm7966 Місяць тому +36

    Very cool. I just KNOW your videos will blow up soon. In any case, it'd be neat to see this again with non-regular polygons. Keep up the awesome content

  • @gideonimolina8025
    @gideonimolina8025 Місяць тому +10

    Triangle: Creepy. Mystery.
    Square: Confusion. "Whodunnit?"
    Pentagon: Going up. Going down.
    Hexagon: Mysterious Grandfather clock. Watching the clock. Anticipation.
    Heptagon: Running down stairs. Running up stairs.
    Octagon: Being chased by the killer. Tumbling downhill..with the killer.
    Nonagon: Mysterious Windmill. (both sides)
    Decagon: ascending crystal stairs. Falling through glass.
    Hendecagon: Cubes rolling.
    Dodecagon: Stabby Stabby!

    • @m90e
      @m90e Місяць тому

      Is the hendecagon one just a reference to the GameCube intro (which it sounds like)

  • @starfishsystems
    @starfishsystems Місяць тому +10

    This rendering of tone intervals as a polygon of rotation is very clever! Now let's consider the IRREGULAR polygons of n sides.
    Not only could this be a very easy way for students to visualize the triads and chord extensions, but perhaps also pick up a preliminary sense of how cadences work,

  • @SirFloIII
    @SirFloIII Місяць тому +93

    Do it again with the 23TET circle of fifths. 23 being a prime number will surely create interesting microtonal patterns.

    • @SZebS
      @SZebS Місяць тому +8

      no regular polygon will play a chord, you'll go over the circle in all different intervals

    • @ataraxianAscendant
      @ataraxianAscendant Місяць тому +7

      ​@@SZebS did you watch the video? the polygons' vertices don't need to line up with notes

    • @SZebS
      @SZebS Місяць тому

      @@ataraxianAscendant did you read my comment? Polygons only play chords of more than one vertex is touching a note at once

    • @sillyk2549
      @sillyk2549 Місяць тому +10

      @@SZebSi dont think sirfloll explicitly mentioned chords

    • @SZebS
      @SZebS Місяць тому +4

      @@sillyk2549 he didn't, i'm just saying what will happen because 23 is prime

  • @danielmackeigan9710
    @danielmackeigan9710 Місяць тому +20

    Music for your nightmares Haha. It all sounds like terrifying circus music because of all the chromaticism and tritones. The 11-sided shape was semi-reminiscent of tubular bells only more disturbing somehow 😎

  • @StickmanWithARocketSword
    @StickmanWithARocketSword Місяць тому +6

    8:43 Years ago, I used to draw stars of different #'s of vertices in different ways, so that I draw them accurately without drawing the vertices first. I wondered what a 12 pointed star would sound like on a piano, with each vertex being given a note on an octave. I played exactly this. The Hendecagon here is still part of my piano practice routine.

  • @rolez
    @rolez Місяць тому +31

    hendecagon sounds like an old nintendo sound effect

    • @joeeeee256
      @joeeeee256 Місяць тому +9

      game cube starting up 😂

    • @ethosfm1262
      @ethosfm1262 Місяць тому

      reminded me of old school Sesame Street from the 70s

  • @timbcodes
    @timbcodes Місяць тому +6

    I had no idea what the pentagon would sound like but as soon as I heard the chromatic it makes perfect sense.

  • @Composeyourselfcare
    @Composeyourselfcare 26 днів тому +2

    I’d love to hear this series using different scales instead of the circle of fifths.. fascinating video!

  • @PrinceOfDarkness2k7
    @PrinceOfDarkness2k7 Місяць тому +11

    What a great idea for a video, Algo. I like the voice narrated ones. The pentagon and hendecagon are good candidates for shorts.

  • @DissonantSynth
    @DissonantSynth Місяць тому +4

    The dodecagon creates a beautiful shifting rainbow on the keyboard!

  • @zakfoster1
    @zakfoster1 Місяць тому +3

    I would love to hear this spread over more octaves
    And right angle triangles would be interesting too
    I hope you make more of these

  • @user-on5sx6zz5j
    @user-on5sx6zz5j Місяць тому +5

    Until now, I used to think that shape and music were unrelated. After watching this video, however, I realized that such things can be interconnected. I found it particularly fascinating how the number of angles in a shape corresponds to the difference in the number of notes played simultaneously. While I've had some interest in shapes, I've never really been into music. After watching this video, I feel like my understanding of music has improved compared to before. 10706

  • @Henrix1998
    @Henrix1998 Місяць тому +50

    Honestly quite disappointing results, but that should have been expected because 12 is so divisible. Repeating this same exercise with chromatic scale instead of circle of fifth could be more interesting. Or using major scale, only 7 notes.

    • @JohanHidding
      @JohanHidding Місяць тому +1

      Ooh why not TET-19 with the circle of sixths!

    • @columbus8myhw
      @columbus8myhw 23 дні тому

      The chromatic scale will give you the same stuff but in a different order.

  • @tobitron
    @tobitron Місяць тому +3

    Love it. I have had similair ideas combining it with the colour wheel of light.

  • @pietro5266
    @pietro5266 26 днів тому

    This is brilliant -- combining geometry and music and finding very interesting tonal patterns they create. I think there's a lot more to be investigated regarding this.

  • @robertodetree1049
    @robertodetree1049 Місяць тому +1

    This is highly interesting and very well done, thank you for putting it in such an understandable way!

  • @rycona9878
    @rycona9878 Місяць тому +3

    Hendecagon is my new favorite shape. I'll take tritones and chromatics all day. Thanks for making this wonderfully interesting video!

  • @anactualfish2397
    @anactualfish2397 Місяць тому +2

    i shouldve entirely been prepared to have king gizzard enter my brain the moment a nonagon was mentioned but here we are. nonagon infinity opens the door

  • @Israel220500
    @Israel220500 Місяць тому +9

    Nice video. Interesting intersection between math (geometry, groups and modular arithmetic) and music.

    • @antoniusnies-komponistpian2172
      @antoniusnies-komponistpian2172 Місяць тому +1

      This is not just an intersection imo, music is just as much applied maths like physics and informatics are

  • @bjornskivids
    @bjornskivids Місяць тому

    What a cool demonstration. Thank you for this.

  • @derekcrook3723
    @derekcrook3723 29 днів тому

    Just when I learned to draw a circle you now add all these others to learn !

  • @tomschoenke5519
    @tomschoenke5519 10 днів тому

    I didn’t know that Pythagoras and Phillip Glass had a love child that made videos.
    Very resourceful!!

  • @dprggrmr
    @dprggrmr Місяць тому

    That's something I've been imagining since I was a kid. now I'm wandering how useful it cold be

  • @darrenjones9964
    @darrenjones9964 Місяць тому +4

    Nice video! Starting from the music end would be interesting - what's the irregular polygon that plays a major scale for example? (is there one?) - is there a shape that plays a 2 5 1 chord sequence, or an arpeggio/short melody etc.?

  • @jakeharvey6692
    @jakeharvey6692 Місяць тому +1

    8:47 Starting on C, it’s really grooving if you subdivide 3+2+3+2+2

    • @ericleventhal
      @ericleventhal 26 днів тому

      Keith Emerson Agrees: ua-cam.com/video/AGGpBXd7ToA/v-deo.html

  • @thegeeeeeeeeee
    @thegeeeeeeeeee Місяць тому

    Ending could have played them all together for full effect. Now I have to go code this haha great job 👏

  • @evennorthug2585
    @evennorthug2585 Місяць тому +1

    This got real interesting when the notes were played sequentially. I expected a pentatonic chord for 5, but god chromatics. I find this approach both smart and creative. Just what music theory needs, after centuries with a system full of exceptions. Good work! You could animate the interval classes 1 thru 6 into a lydian scale using the formula n * (-1)^(n+m), n in 0...6, m being 0 or 1 for major and minor resp, the latter being tonal mode: 0,11,2,9,4,7,6,5, sorted and relative to 0: -5, -3, -1, 0, 2, 4, 6. Swap the m and you have the locrian (most minor) scale mode. Notice that negative offsets are odd and the positive even. So an Archimedean spiral would draw these scales, y's are n and x 's are pc, making x a function of y, that way matching the linear pitch axis horizontally, like on the piano keyboard. So I don't believe in 4096 sets, but in the Major scale, the only one containing all 6 interval classes, or 7 including the root. Nice, eh?

  • @romanvolotov
    @romanvolotov Місяць тому +4

    would love to see an extended version based on 31-tet or other tuning systems

    • @gorrofrigio5570
      @gorrofrigio5570 Місяць тому

      Second this, also for 19-, 24- and 53-TET

  • @PerfectlyNormalBeast
    @PerfectlyNormalBeast Місяць тому +2

    I'd be curious about an extension of this:
    Rotating a poygon on an arbitrary plane slicing a cone
    It would be an ellipse that touches, but draw rays from the center of the polygon, play notes when they cross one of the cone's vertical lines
    The height of the cone could represent ... something

  • @christrengove7551
    @christrengove7551 Місяць тому +1

    That was fun. The later ones were mostly more interesting than the early ones. I' like to hear the 13-gon and the 17-gon being prime, which means none of the notes are played simultaneously - pure melody and fast. I would also like to hear what the polygons would sound like if instead of the circle of fifths ordering the straight chromatic scale ordering was used.

  • @smarkalet9078
    @smarkalet9078 День тому

    So little kids next to a piano are just Dodecegons. Got it.

  • @anderseckstrand7033
    @anderseckstrand7033 26 днів тому

    Really interesting actually, thank you for your presentation. 👍

  • @yanlevykeys
    @yanlevykeys Місяць тому

    Very interesting. Thanks for this cool video!

  • @JasonPruett
    @JasonPruett Місяць тому

    this is genius of course the concept has been here for a long time but what you have done here i've not seen except the harmonagon.

  • @GoTouchSomeGrassBuddy
    @GoTouchSomeGrassBuddy Місяць тому

    I need more of this!!!

  • @uchihandell
    @uchihandell 21 день тому

    Hendecagon:
    Progressive Metal. Thanks for posting.

  • @BinglesP
    @BinglesP 10 днів тому +1

    Next time I open up GarageBand, I will be READY

  • @BJCulpepper
    @BJCulpepper 29 днів тому +1

    What's interesting is every one of those sounds I've heard on a 1970s horror show or 1970 Syfy show. That is so interesting.
    I'm curious what would happen if you had unusual shapes such as a triangle that had two long sides and one short side.

  • @morgunstyles7253
    @morgunstyles7253 Місяць тому

    Very good video. Thoroughly enjoyed

  • @amp4105
    @amp4105 Місяць тому +1

    I love the wind spin up animation lol

  • @Notmehimorthem
    @Notmehimorthem Місяць тому +1

    This is nice work. Thank you.

  • @christopherventer6391
    @christopherventer6391 Місяць тому

    It would be cool to build a sequencer like this. You could probably make the inner part be a ring of LEDs that turn on and off in sequence in different configurations and get picked up by a set of photosensors on the outer ring to send control voltages out.
    You could probably even do multiple sensors per location vertically and trigger rotated versions of the circle of 5ths or octaves of the same note.

  • @TheRotnflesh
    @TheRotnflesh 3 дні тому

    All shapes in nature are harmonic representations of energy at equilibrium. Cymatics is the study of total shapes in ascending order of hertz value. The first chromatic scale is played on a pentagon.

  • @katanaki3059
    @katanaki3059 Місяць тому

    Fascinating!

  • @joewoodhead2712
    @joewoodhead2712 28 днів тому +1

    Legend has it that this is how the crash bandicoot soundtrack was written

  • @shaggyrogers2712
    @shaggyrogers2712 28 днів тому

    This is fascinating

  • @penguincute3564
    @penguincute3564 Місяць тому +3

    8:45 OMG!!! NINTENDO GAME CUBE!?

  • @fabriquesound1274
    @fabriquesound1274 Місяць тому

    Thank you for this Amazing video

  • @d.r.mathias9648
    @d.r.mathias9648 Місяць тому

    Can't wait for the album

  • @5FeetUnder__
    @5FeetUnder__ Місяць тому +4

    Very interesting!
    I do wonder how it would sound in equivalents of the circle of fifths in other tuning systems (if there exist any)

    • @MabInstruments
      @MabInstruments Місяць тому +1

      They exist.

    • @MabInstruments
      @MabInstruments Місяць тому

      For example, in 19 equal pitch divisions of the octave, the circle of perfect fifths can be described in steps of the tuning system as 0, 11, 3, 14, 6, 17, 9, 1, 12, 4, 15, 7, 18, 10, 2, 13, 5, 16, 8. It can be described in letters as F, C, G, D, A, E, B, F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E# or Fb, B# or Cb, Gb, Db, Ab, Eb, Bb.

  • @TheTonyTitan
    @TheTonyTitan Місяць тому

    This video was satisfying to watch

  • @heartlights
    @heartlights Місяць тому

    It's cool how it seems like we're gonna get more advanced but instead we just keep adding sides

  • @OccupyForeverBand
    @OccupyForeverBand Місяць тому

    The fact that the pentagon if effect deconstructs the circle of 5ths back down to the circle of 1sts was cool to me

  • @eamonia
    @eamonia Місяць тому

    This was _really_ cool.

  • @paradiselost9946
    @paradiselost9946 18 днів тому

    all of this is fairly straightforward. the pent and heptagon seem odd at first but the circle of fifths is just that... FIVE, and its complement in base 12 is of course, seven...
    what i see interesting is that a minor chord is a mirror reflection of its major... CEG faces the opposite way to CEbG... FAC vs FAbC... etc etc...

  • @browsertab
    @browsertab Місяць тому +1

    Gamecube, it's Marvin. Your cousin, Marvin Cube. You know that new bootup sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this! 8:20

  • @yarlodek5842
    @yarlodek5842 Місяць тому +1

    I love how the 11-gon is literally just tarkus

  • @BasedHorrigan
    @BasedHorrigan 10 годин тому

    Dodecagon approximates to a circle. A circle is a loop. In the circle of fifths, every tonic note is dominant and every dominant is tonic for this case. A loop.

  • @brennonmcfarlane429
    @brennonmcfarlane429 27 днів тому

    Would be interested to hear each with square, saw, sine, and pulse waves sped up beyond the point where pitch discernment is perceptible (spinning the shapes as fast as possible along the Co5s). The geometric quality of the oscillation would probably be pretty pleasing when sped up and applied to wavetable synthesis.

  • @LordHuggington
    @LordHuggington Місяць тому +1

    Aw man, I wanted to hear all of them at the same time at the end

  • @EminorReal
    @EminorReal Місяць тому +1

    this was great

  • @brockl4998
    @brockl4998 Місяць тому

    hendecagon sounds like it could be made into boss music. Interesting video!

  • @radnyx_games
    @radnyx_games Місяць тому +1

    8:47 This is the exact riff used in Those Who Chant by Walter Bishop Jr!

  • @quinman16
    @quinman16 Місяць тому

    Some of these sounds like video games background rhythms so cool

  • @stephensmith799
    @stephensmith799 Місяць тому

    A shout out for the Algorithm, without which I’d never come across such crazy knowledge👍
    Can you run two or more shapes at once (in opposite directions)… please?!

  • @gabrieletrovato3939
    @gabrieletrovato3939 Місяць тому

    Interesting video and very pleasant animation.
    I'd like to add some another considerations to the ones you made.
    You don't need the circle of fifths in order to do that. You could have simply arranged the notes on the circle according to their 'normal' order (chromatic scale), and would have obtained essentially the same result. For example, with 1 and 11 (endecagon) you'd have obtained the chromatic scale, and with 5 (pentagon) and 7 (eptagon) you'd get the circle of fifths.
    If you noticed, each number has a complementary with respect to 12 which behaves exactly the same way, but with a different velocity. So it would have been better at the beginning to consider a little segment for the one (one radius), rotating like in a clock (this would behave like a slower eleven going in the opposite direction); and also to consider another segment corresponding to the diameter, therefore two radii dividing the circle in 2 parts, which would behave like a slower ten, in the opposite direction of course. And you could say: «well, ok, but with 1 and 2 you don't get any polygons, so you go off the pattern». Actually no, because the 'real' pattern has to do with dividing the circle in n parts using n equidistant radii, and you only get polygons in the particular case with n >=3 when you connect those points to each other (instead of to the center).
    Also, they behave like this because they're in modulo 12. Notice that e.g. 7 mod 12 corresponds to -5, and that's why it rotates in the opposite direction. When you compare the decagon to the pentagon you make in my opinion a didactic mistake, so to speak: it's not wrong per se, since you can think of a decagon as a combination of two pentagons, but in this case it's more convenient to think of it as the counterpart of 2 (10=-2 mod12). Also, it's worth mentioning that, even though I haven't tested it, I'm sure that with 13, which =1 mod12, you'll get the same as 1, and with 14, 15, 16 etc. the same of 2, 3, 4 etc. respectively, but a lot faster of course. And also you can conventionally assign the positive sign to clockwise rotation and the negative sign to counterclockwise rotation. This way, instead of specifying e.g. counterclockwise triangle or clockwise decagon you just use numbers, e.g. -3 or 10.
    But the most interesting part in all of it is perhaps microtones! If you think about it, these results are true only in the specific case where the modulo is 12, that is, with 12 edo. With other divisions of the octave you'd get a lot of other interesting results (and pleasant animations) :)
    Anyway, thank you for your time in making the video and hopefully in reading and answering this comment. 👍🏻

  • @loopiloop
    @loopiloop Місяць тому +1

    I recommend using Shepard tones to ensure that none of the notes is higher than the rest

  • @robynmaag1266
    @robynmaag1266 Місяць тому +1

    The decagon as a shepherd tone would be horrifying

  • @brunomcleod
    @brunomcleod Місяць тому

    9:34 That’s crack up 😂 it’s like I’ve had enough

  • @jakehr3
    @jakehr3 27 днів тому

    I think the math behind this is whether the n-sides of the 12-notes are co-prime.
    If they are co-prime, then they hit individual notes, if they are not co-prime then they hit clusters.
    You could have even started with a line and that would have given you the 10-sided polygon behavior first.
    Gcd(2,12) = GCD(10,12) = 2
    GCD(3,12) = GCD(9,12) = 3
    GCD(4,12) = GCD(8,12) = 4
    GCD(5,12) = GCD(7,12) = GCD(11,12) = 1
    I think what's most interesting is that the 3 co-prime n-gons behave differently. One chromatic up in clockwise, one chromatic down in clockwise, and one that plays the fifths in clockwise.
    I assume this pattern would hold for 13, 14, etc-sided polygons.

  • @clanangus
    @clanangus 27 днів тому

    Hendecagon: so that's how dream theater composes

  • @Jomymadness
    @Jomymadness Місяць тому +3

    Nonagon infinity mentioned 🗣️🗣️

  • @-______-______-
    @-______-______- 27 днів тому +1

    This is interesting, but I would actually love to hear this where we hear the exact notes that are played where points touch the circle and not only when the exact contact points of the notes of the circle of fifths is touched.
    Using the example of the pentagon. If the top point is touching C, the next point is touching a slightly sharpened D, next point is touching a much more sharpened E. next point is touching a slightly sharpened Db and final point is touching a more sharpened Eb.
    Anyone else get what I mean by that?
    And I'd also like to hear a steady transition of the motion travelling around the circle, like a sustained chord that is rising in pitch with exactly the intervals that the different polygons denote.
    Each of the 12 segments of the pie can be broken into 30 microtones/pitches. So for example, C to G (and each of the other segments) actually has 30 subdivisions between the 2 notes. Where the points of the polygons touch at these points is what I'd really love to hear.

  • @Nihil2407
    @Nihil2407 Місяць тому +1

    Dodecagon: A new idea for the sound when you're loosing life to poison in a videogame or something

  • @malectric
    @malectric Місяць тому

    That is really interesting. Why didn't I think of doing this? One thing I did think of of towards the end was to have all shapes bar the last one running together on a single shaft music box style. Then I imagined being able to rotate each slightly relative to the others and replaying to hear what would happen. Perhaps a video doing this might be even more interesting - or perhaps not.

  • @Jorgin_Legal6
    @Jorgin_Legal6 Місяць тому +1

    I wonder what irregular polygons would sound like, such as right triangle or parallelogram.
    Also a circle must sound wonderful

  • @spcxplrr
    @spcxplrr Місяць тому

    i think the reason why it does this is that as the polygon rotates, notes are played in star patterns. the triangle creates the {12/3} star, which is actually three squares. It played all four squares at the same time. the square makes the {12/4} star, which is four triangles. {12/6} is six lines.
    the pentagon creates the {12/5} star, which is an actual star, where one line hits all 12 points and then loops back on itself. the {12/7} star, if it existed, would be equivalent to the {12/5} star, which is why it does the same thing as the pentagon. given the nature of the circle of fifths, if you find the notes five away from a given note, it will give the notes next to it on the chromatic scale. since going five points down the road is basically what the {12/5} star is, it makes a chromatic scale.
    similarly, constructing a {12/8} star will give you {12/4}, and so on.

  • @arielburbaickij2012
    @arielburbaickij2012 27 днів тому

    gcd(12,5)=1 and this is why circle of fifth in its ordering of notes works, i.e. all notes are covered/reached in the regular pattern of moves fifth apart and this is why pentagon does the same covering of all notes in chromatic scale, of course -- so not much to be surprised with ;-).

  • @McbrydeWithaY
    @McbrydeWithaY Місяць тому

    This is slick. Reminds me of a plugin I just got called Harmony Bloom. Everyone should definitely check it out

  • @evennorthug2585
    @evennorthug2585 Місяць тому

    Chords and scales are cyclic groups, containing n consecutive integers. In a set of 12, the generators would be 1, 5, 7, and 11. Generator means the generated sequence will encompass all the elements, like the Circle of Fifths for generators 5 and 7, chromatic scale for generators 1 and 11.