I really appreciate people that have the out the box thinking. using the fan frame itself as part of the design makes that fan a win in my book even before testing.
I'm legit surprised he claims it's the worst. It seems to move more air out and away than any other design. Would love to see the design tested in an actual gaming PC.
@@Psythikthe key is it’s testing for static pressure efficiency, not high air flow. High static pressure fans can push air through higher resistances like dust filters or radiators, whereas high airflow fans just move as much air as possible through no resistive layer.
@@TroLLoughlin I assumed he was using a resistive layer for these tests. Otherwise what's the point of this video if your test environment doesn't simulate real-world scenarios?
@@Psythik Static pressure is an easy number to test for & knowing that higher static pressure means a better ability to push through resistive mediums. You don't need to add resistive mediums to the test to know that a fan would perform well when you have that static pressure number.
YT just recommended your channel and this video to me! Love the content, straight to the point, no ads, no sponsors, no nonsense! LOVE IT! Just how UA-cam used to be! Thank you for keeping it straight to the point and simple :)
WE LOVE THE FAN SHOWDOWN. More is better, but don't feel like you have to churn episodes if it means any change in quality or added stress on your end. LONG LIVE THE FAN SHOWDOWN.
Hey, thanks for the vote, anyway! I have had the thought at times that the designs should be limited to inside the frame, or have two separate categories.
@@mobiobioneGreat work! Just splendid to see some real enquiry and I hope your design gets the recognition it deserves. Would love to see the benefit of that kind of fan on a tight fin radiation (if there is one...)
@@flasksval Well thanks! I'm thinking that as the bottom plate is reduced in diameter, the static pressure performance will drop, but the open flow CFM will rise, so it could be tailored to the radiator in question. Need more pressure, larger plate. More flow, smaller plate. Step file is on 'the Bamboo' site if you want to play around with it.
@@mobiobione But then you get thinks like the YACF, where it is larger than the frame, but not by much. Also, an improvement to the Vortex9 might be small adapter plates on the front and back to smooth the airflow.
Unacceptable. More fan showdown’s needed please. How do you expect us up to live without fresh fan showdowns? My life has been crap the last 3 months without one.
I hear there is a website that might help with your needs here. I think it was called Only Fans or something like that. Seems exactly what you're looking for.
I understand they take time to model, to test, for people to send in, for you to select, for you to review, then for you to print, for you to assemble and then finally test.... but yes... I too wish for more frequent. Even if they aren't as big. Adding 1-2 fans on a bi-weekly to the list, seems pretty do-able, right?
Honestly, the more episodes of Fan Showdown you put out, the closer I get to re-learning 3D modelling software and sending in a design.... ......A few hundred more episodes and I'll surely be all the way motivated...... Surely!
I hadn’t watched (or thought about) a fan showdown video in a while (6-8 months) and the algorithm picked this one up for me! Glad to have it back in my psyche
I may be one of the few that does not really care about the time line. Do what you enjoy doing. If you get caught up with a side project, let us know about it. If you get into the fan show down, and post a few videos on that, then do that. Overall, I just enjoy your content regardless of what it is that you are posting. I know you are a one man army that is trying to juggle a full time job, wife, kid, house, etc. The fact that you can put out at least one video here or there is more than enough to make me happy at this point.
Its honestly pretty impressive how the Vortex 9 was able to hit those numbers while maintaining the profile of the fan. Its a long way off from the WFDU but remember that it had a whole separate housing assembly and orientation on the test bench. V9 is a big step forward in design for this season.
@@mobiobione hi, do you think that normalized by dBA your fan is still better than the noctua one? Because if so i might aswell print them and have better performances
@@glianonimi602honestly the only reliable way to know is to print one and performance test it. I can tell you that 46 to 52dBA is much more significant to the human ear than it looks (at basically any audible frequency)
Yayy! Finally, there are more fan showdown! Please don't hold them back for anything other than UA-cam shenanigans, these are such great videos, and we need updates on the ingenuity of the community! Whenever there's something worth the effort to put them in video form and you've got the time to do so, please make more Fan Showdown!
I really like fan showdowns, so I'd prefer a more dense schedule rather than a more spaced-out approach. Also, these bots are something else man, very invasive...
As an apprentice for the RnD section of a fan company, I find fanshowdown to be informative, hilarious and thought provoking. Leading to more improvements for the company.
I'd consider a monthly fan showdown would be a good length to balance quality with quantity but I don't know how much work this takes for you. Please don't push yourself, I'd much rather a delayed episode than a rushed one
The Vortex 9 deserves a lot of credit for getting second place overall without extending outside the original fan dimensions. Designs that can be used as a drop-in replacement for a standard 120 mm fan should get their own category imo!
The Vortex9 seems like i would be a good extraction fan for a case but if used on a cooler or similar it may not cover enough surface area but you could always design ducts so it works right. Thanks to all for there submissions and you for testing them :)
Personally I would say bi-weekly is the perfect amount video wise. I'm pretty sure that's what you were releasing when this series was at it's peak and it felt great. Also just looked back and that was over 3 years ago... Wow.
This is unaccepable, i have only watched four Fan Showdowns in the last two years. If you keep making them at this pace and i will keep watching at this pace, i will never finish the series. Cheers, from á Fan.
I'd love to see more episodes of the Fan Showdown, I always watch the vids instantly when they come out, there's only a handful of youtubers whose vids I watch instantly, the rest I'll come back to or leave it a day or two but I've watched every episode the day they came out since the Showdown started.
I think Fan Showdown should be at the shortest interval between episodes - but only long enough for each episode to fully bake, with the proper selection of submitted fans and testing and research about things. Don't sacrifice quality!
Honestly I mostly watch your channel for the fan showdowns. It was how I found you originally and it continues to captivate me. They are very fun and satisfying to watch.
lmao not sure what these bot comments are, but I prefer the more frequent episodes of the showdown. Too much time goes by and I tend to forget the top performers and other interesting designs from previous episodes.
This is fan-tastic. Been hoping for a long time people would take more interest in improving air cooling. As a certified aviation maintenance tech, I know how effective air cooling can be. Most light aircraft use air cooled reciprocating engines. The cooling airflow is typically ducted and shrouded around the cylinder fins. Like, really close in some cases. This improves the efficiency of air cooling and I would like to see you take that next step. One thing worth keeping in mind is that, while static pressure is great and all, any fan that produces substantially turbulent flow is going to reduce the efficiency and effectiveness of your air cooling setup. It is fine for a blower on your car because it helps atomize fuel but you want nice, smooth airflow for air cooling. The only real contenders here is the TF34. The honeycomb sucks and the others produce extremely turbulent flow. Even still, you can see the TF34, which is modeled from a real turbofan engine produces some swirl. There are typically guide vanes in the duct which substantially reduce the swirl. That's what I mean about the next step. Along with ducting and shrouding, you need to be considering airflow straightening. Typically achieved with guide vanes or honeycomb ducts. Also, you don't need that massive hub on the TF34. Should only cover as much area as the motor in the fan assembly. Take as much blade area as you can get.
I'm going to be honest, I really wish you posted fan showdown episodes more often. At least once a week preferably! But if not at least once every 2 weeks would still be amazing 😁
whenever fan showdown video appears I drop everything to look at it, so for me more frequent is better. But James, what I really want is to see you have fun, if you feel like you want to be into something else completely then go for it, I'll be there in the journey with you my man. (I WANT TO SEE YOUR DOG MORE, NON NEGOTIABLE)
I havent seen one of these since the algo picked you up way back in the early days. Your onscreen presence and prod value have really improved. Good work man, I got you subbed now!
I'm excited for a new episode of the fan show down. I've been really busy this summer as well, so I'm just excited to slow down and enjoy some UA-cam videos again.
More fans and more often! We need the best fan possible! Except next season you should have a category of testing for airflow at a standardized noise level (throttle the fan till it reaches a specific noise level) and pressure at a standardized noise level. This would allow us to determine which fan would be best for quiet setups for case cooling and in front of a radiator.
for me personally, i think along as the videos are of good quality and doesnt seem rushed. its good. also if you have the fan showdowns more spaced out, you could have more fans to run though the gauntlet.
I was definitely wondering when the next episode was supposed to be coming up, so I'm glad you eventually noticed it's been a while! I would love more episodes as long as you're able!
@@CentreMetre *DISTILLED water... heh normal tap water can contain microscopic particles that are metallic, sometimes enough mineral content even, to potentially produce arcing and conduction. Always use distilled water, literally collected from steam, so that you can be sure it is pure and does not have these particulates.
Thanks @MajorHardware, very cool to be on your show! I can't post a link here but I'll email it to you for the VortexNine - in case anyone wants to play around with it.
IF you can swing maintaining the fan showdown output that you already have going without degrading the quality too much, I think its worthwhile! Your own health mentally and physically comes first of course, you're at your best when you feel your best. I love these showdowns a lot and I'm thankful you're doing them ❤
Sure it wins in static pressure, but that's not what Noctua is maximizing. And from 8:43 we can clearly see that the Noctua fan is much, much quieter. This video title is like saying a random dude wins in a race vs peak Usain Bolt because you didn't specify that the random dude was using a motor bike.
Ya know, James, I could probably enjoy a Fan Showdown episode as fast as you can reasonably crank them out, like two per week or something like that, but then I wouldn't want you to get burned out on it. So I'll take them at whatever reasonable pace that you feel is comfortable. Happy fanning continued! Oh, and happy little bit that's left of Labor Day!
Also just to point out it sounds like a vacuum cleaner and has a centrifugal compressor attached. Takes up a ton more space than a normal 120 fan, so its a bit of a gimmick at this point. A bit of a blown up laptop fan. So honestly, this one hitting a 5.4 with just an open fan concept is pretty good in comparison.
Subscribed! This is fascinating stuff, there's so many potential utilities to explore - like the honeycomb, for all it lacks in performance, seemed to scavenge the smoke most effectively. Maybe it was a more directed column of smoke, or just observer error, but that combined with its quietness suggest it could be a superior choice for an exhaust fan. Makes me want to play with the geometry now, I'll bet that disrupting the planar face of the honeycomb could help it develop a larger low-pressure zone in front of the fan
looking at the smoke test for the vortex9, I wonder if you could improve the pressure by making some sort of overhang on the front? like a plate that covers the outer few milimeters of the fan blades, preventing all of that blowby out of the front. should be an easy enough thing to add to it too if it does work, but might need some work to get it to seal properly.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. I tried it, but it seems this design is building pressure by having the wing actually flying in a more laminar way. The overhang actually killed some pressure. I went in a bit of a different direction for the fan I sumbitted after this one though.
seeing how small the gap at the frame is, I guess you need some spill out at the front to keep the airflow up and not stall the blades. It's still a very clever design though.
Nice Edit: damn, bots really be botting, huh? Edit 2: saw an Arctic's 14cm fan (P14 Max, I believe) that seems to have amazing specs. Could you look into using that one for these vids? Edit 3: now that i thought some more about it, it seems like the fact that their 80mm fan has an actively cooled motor could provide yet another metric and another design factor for these fans (as in, maybe also look into which one keeps the motor cooler)
Hey there! I made a second edit to my comment asking if you could look into using Arctic's P14 Max fans for these vids. Or maybe their 80mm 10k rpm fan@@MajorHardware
Very interesting topic! 🤣 I was about to say something similar. a lot of bots with pictures of beautiful women commenting on the video from the first second... someone wanted to make the YT algorithm happy.
I super-duper love The Fan Showdown. To me it's important that it's a lot or a little of that specifically. But the more 3D-printer-maker content, the better :)
Vortex 9 FTW!! Very impressive and using a very non-standard design!! I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the designer get approached by fan makers in the future. A design to make their product stand out, and even beats the competition? Practically money in the bank there!
Now it's easy to create the optimal static pressure PC fan. Use the Vortex9 as base. Stretch the blades upwards so they can capture more air, and design a shroud to close of the elongated blades so that all the air gets tunneled down
For a regular fan design to reach above half of Wonder from Down Under is straight up insanity! Finally one for the big companies to actually look at. I'm sure a lab of professionals can easily shave down those sound levels while maintaining performance. The LED potential for this one is also great!
These fans are awesome no doubt but this is really nothing special when you look at anything beyond consumer fans. Lookup the data sheet for a Delta AFB1212VHE. 129.9CFM and 10.7mmH2O at 49dB(A). You may say the dB is high but they can run at a low speed (very quiet) and still exceed most consumer grade fans performance.
Honestly, I enjoy most of your content because you're into some cool stuff. I love Fan Showdown, but it's not the only thing I'm here for. Do what works for you.
I think one of the coolest and not spoken about part of this series is seeing the surface tension of air during the smoke test. And how the smoke in the air shows air being drug into the fan by the air proceeding it and the air around the fan that doesn’t get pulled directly in gets slung forward into the divider wall. If someone could harness this “free” energy contained within the air itself, I think it might bode well for a fan design. To use the pre-acceleration of the air as a benefit to increase overall air captured as well as the “bypass air” that’s completely missing the fan with an external siphon around the rim of the fan that would pull it in from the circumference as well instead of just the face. Go back and watch that slo-mo and you’ll see how fast that smoke is moving when it gets slung into the divider. Imagine using that air-speed and volume by having a circumferential fan intake in its own bypass circuit. Where the main body/fave of the fan has a normal design, but the circumference has a high pressure design. The fan should meet many requirements for all the seasons at that point. With the proper design that is. I’m no designer or engineer, but if someone does read this and either has some input or ideas they’d like to share and enlighten me on, or thinks it’s a good idea and makes it could you make a nod with the naming? Like the Jaspa Fan?
hahaha "idk what yacf stands for, he didnt say anything besides yet another centrifugal fan" that is what yacf stands for
ua-cam.com/video/A38YO3f2Bv4/v-deo.htmlsi=p8ixO-XcwlzsibPJ&t=38
I'm truly hoping that was just some irony on his side.
i saw that immediatly
And before he said anything, my thought was "yet another combiner fan" as it combines several prints to do what it does.
comment farming successful it seems.
03:45 "I dont know what YACF stands for, smoonkin didn't say anything about that at all except that its [Y]et [A]nother [C]entrifugal [F]an"
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Why would we want a break between fan showdowns? We. Want. The. Best. Fan.
We are fans of fans...
They are good fans Monk
so that the quality of the videos doesn't falter
It's fun to watch these, but I highly doubt anything will be the turbo that Aussie dude made.
I spend the time crying, so please don't make me grapple with having hunan emotions. More fans, more often.
I really appreciate people that have the out the box thinking. using the fan frame itself as part of the design makes that fan a win in my book even before testing.
I love the way the honeycomb looked in the smoke shop. It looked like it was actually scooping and capturing the air.
I'm legit surprised he claims it's the worst. It seems to move more air out and away than any other design. Would love to see the design tested in an actual gaming PC.
@@Psythikthe key is it’s testing for static pressure efficiency, not high air flow. High static pressure fans can push air through higher resistances like dust filters or radiators, whereas high airflow fans just move as much air as possible through no resistive layer.
@@TroLLoughlin I assumed he was using a resistive layer for these tests. Otherwise what's the point of this video if your test environment doesn't simulate real-world scenarios?
@@Psythik Static pressure is an easy number to test for & knowing that higher static pressure means a better ability to push through resistive mediums. You don't need to add resistive mediums to the test to know that a fan would perform well when you have that static pressure number.
@@TroLLoughlinit would make for an excellent extraction fan
YT just recommended your channel and this video to me! Love the content, straight to the point, no ads, no sponsors, no nonsense! LOVE IT! Just how UA-cam used to be! Thank you for keeping it straight to the point and simple :)
Fan showdown once a month is great, but you also do what works for you. When you're enjoying what you do, it makes your videos better.
Monthly feels like the sweet spot. There are clearly people who would consume 5 a week but yeeeeaaaahh
monthly only-fans video xd
4:25 YACF - Yet Another Centrifical Fan ...
Actually it’s at 4:00 haha. I thought he was messing with us, but he moved on so quickly that I was like, wait… he didn’t just get that? 😂
It was a JOKE
WE LOVE THE FAN SHOWDOWN. More is better, but don't feel like you have to churn episodes if it means any change in quality or added stress on your end.
LONG LIVE THE FAN SHOWDOWN.
Second that.
Came here to say
Still wish the temps came back
hear hear!
More showdowns!
I think it’s “absolutely unacceptable” that the fan Showdown is not published more frequently😉.
Love the content😆
The Vortex9 is the true 1st place, in my opinion, because it actually fits into the frame.
Hey, thanks for the vote, anyway! I have had the thought at times that the designs should be limited to inside the frame, or have two separate categories.
@@mobiobioneGreat work! Just splendid to see some real enquiry and I hope your design gets the recognition it deserves. Would love to see the benefit of that kind of fan on a tight fin radiation (if there is one...)
@@flasksval Well thanks! I'm thinking that as the bottom plate is reduced in diameter, the static pressure performance will drop, but the open flow CFM will rise, so it could be tailored to the radiator in question. Need more pressure, larger plate. More flow, smaller plate. Step file is on 'the Bamboo' site if you want to play around with it.
@@mobiobione But then you get thinks like the YACF, where it is larger than the frame, but not by much. Also, an improvement to the Vortex9 might be small adapter plates on the front and back to smooth the airflow.
and it's half as loud too.
i know its a stock youtube track, but man i get whiplash when i hear this song 7:11 anywhere thats not in abroad in japan
Unacceptable. More fan showdown’s needed please. How do you expect us up to live without fresh fan showdowns? My life has been crap the last 3 months without one.
I hear there is a website that might help with your needs here. I think it was called Only Fans or something like that. Seems exactly what you're looking for.
Ought to go check out the propeller showdown that rctestflight did 🤷🏻♂️
Matt Carriker will have to put out another cave episode soon...
The Fan Showdown is one of the best most niche shows on youtube. Make it weekly
James, I'll be honest, every day or so I check to see if there is a new episode of "The Fan Showdown" I really wish they were more frequent.
yep same
Same would love to see more
Strangely enough, the fan showdowns are what I look forward to seeing lol
I’m sure he doesn’t want to just be the fan guy, but that’s the only reason I’m here
I understand they take time to model, to test, for people to send in, for you to select, for you to review, then for you to print, for you to assemble and then finally test.... but yes... I too wish for more frequent. Even if they aren't as big. Adding 1-2 fans on a bi-weekly to the list, seems pretty do-able, right?
0:31 We all want more fan showdown episodes as frequently as you are able.
Honestly, the more episodes of Fan Showdown you put out, the closer I get to re-learning 3D modelling software and sending in a design....
......A few hundred more episodes and I'll surely be all the way motivated...... Surely!
You should do one just for poops and giggles. Who cares if it's rubbish, you'll still learn something and get to be UA-cam famous for 5 minutes 😂
Just do it. Your entry might not make the cut, but it'll be just more experience for later.
I hadn’t watched (or thought about) a fan showdown video in a while (6-8 months) and the algorithm picked this one up for me! Glad to have it back in my psyche
lol, YACF = Yet Another Centrifugal Fan
Oh my goodness
Fuck yea
I may be one of the few that does not really care about the time line. Do what you enjoy doing. If you get caught up with a side project, let us know about it. If you get into the fan show down, and post a few videos on that, then do that. Overall, I just enjoy your content regardless of what it is that you are posting. I know you are a one man army that is trying to juggle a full time job, wife, kid, house, etc. The fact that you can put out at least one video here or there is more than enough to make me happy at this point.
Its honestly pretty impressive how the Vortex 9 was able to hit those numbers while maintaining the profile of the fan. Its a long way off from the WFDU but remember that it had a whole separate housing assembly and orientation on the test bench. V9 is a big step forward in design for this season.
Well, thanks! I'm glad you like it!
Yeah I don't like that he compares "normal" fans that fit the housing, to fans that have GIANT housings or fans that protrude out of the chassis.
@@mobiobione hi, do you think that normalized by dBA your fan is still better than the noctua one? Because if so i might aswell print them and have better performances
@@glianonimi602honestly the only reliable way to know is to print one and performance test it. I can tell you that 46 to 52dBA is much more significant to the human ear than it looks (at basically any audible frequency)
@@glianonimi602 This fan is really only good at slow static pressure. I have a better all full spectrum fan, the XJ99C on 'the Bamboo' site
Yayy!
Finally, there are more fan showdown!
Please don't hold them back for anything other than UA-cam shenanigans, these are such great videos, and we need updates on the ingenuity of the community!
Whenever there's something worth the effort to put them in video form and you've got the time to do so, please make more Fan Showdown!
I really like fan showdowns, so I'd prefer a more dense schedule rather than a more spaced-out approach. Also, these bots are something else man, very invasive...
Remember to always report when you can
There's a bot nuker on github
As an apprentice for the RnD section of a fan company, I find fanshowdown to be informative, hilarious and thought provoking. Leading to more improvements for the company.
I'd consider a monthly fan showdown would be a good length to balance quality with quantity but I don't know how much work this takes for you. Please don't push yourself, I'd much rather a delayed episode than a rushed one
The Vortex 9 deserves a lot of credit for getting second place overall without extending outside the original fan dimensions. Designs that can be used as a drop-in replacement for a standard 120 mm fan should get their own category imo!
I wonder when we will see this in mass production...
I trust your judgment on when to have fan showdown episodes or not. I’m commenting to feed the great algorithm
More fan showdown please! Great to see competition between designers in a space thought to be saturated with you as the host!
The Vortex9 seems like i would be a good extraction fan for a case but if used on a cooler or similar it may not cover enough surface area but you could always design ducts so it works right.
Thanks to all for there submissions and you for testing them :)
Personally I would say bi-weekly is the perfect amount video wise. I'm pretty sure that's what you were releasing when this series was at it's peak and it felt great.
Also just looked back and that was over 3 years ago... Wow.
Open any reputable dictionary, and you'll see bi-weekly can either mean twice a week or once every two weeks. So which one it is?
@@alihms Yes.
@@alihms Fortnightly
Do not fear putting these videos out, I love these videos. If you even did them weekly I’d watch every single one.
"its the jet engine thats attached to the plane that goes,.... BRRRRRRRT!!!!"
This is unaccepable, i have only watched four Fan Showdowns in the last two years.
If you keep making them at this pace and i will keep watching at this pace, i will never finish the series.
Cheers, from á Fan.
7:09 “Welcome to Journey Across Japan…”
Tends to happen with copyright-free music.
@@EvilCerealBoX Not copyright free, its the Epiemic Sound music library, which you have to pay to access all the music in.
Featuring Natsuki!
Went right to the comments also
@@EvilCerealBoX true but he made it his own
I'd love to see more episodes of the Fan Showdown, I always watch the vids instantly when they come out, there's only a handful of youtubers whose vids I watch instantly, the rest I'll come back to or leave it a day or two but I've watched every episode the day they came out since the Showdown started.
You have a family including a dog and have a job. I'd rather see you do what makes you happy. That's what makes your videos fun.
I must say i dont know how often a fan showdown comes. For me ones a week is a sweet spot for getting exited for a new one and not waiting too long.
MORE fan showdowns, MORE often. MORE fun designs, and MORE episodes per season. MORE.
Also - more is a really weird word.
You do fan showdown at whatever interval you feel works, the most important is that we see interesting fan designs. We will wait patiently!
I think Fan Showdown should be at the shortest interval between episodes - but only long enough for each episode to fully bake, with the proper selection of submitted fans and testing and research about things. Don't sacrifice quality!
I find id absolutely unaccaptable to have no new showdown video every 10 minutes. I have watched ALL of the showdowns. I CRAVE MOOOOORE
ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. been waiting for a while for the next episode. please post them more often!
Hey! It's the other Ian 😆
Honestly I mostly watch your channel for the fan showdowns. It was how I found you originally and it continues to captivate me. They are very fun and satisfying to watch.
I would love a fan showdown episode twice a month, or on some sort of reliable schedule.
At least 1 fan showdown a month would be nice! We love the other content as well, but fan showdown is where it's at!
lmao not sure what these bot comments are, but I prefer the more frequent episodes of the showdown. Too much time goes by and I tend to forget the top performers and other interesting designs from previous episodes.
This is fan-tastic. Been hoping for a long time people would take more interest in improving air cooling. As a certified aviation maintenance tech, I know how effective air cooling can be. Most light aircraft use air cooled reciprocating engines. The cooling airflow is typically ducted and shrouded around the cylinder fins. Like, really close in some cases. This improves the efficiency of air cooling and I would like to see you take that next step.
One thing worth keeping in mind is that, while static pressure is great and all, any fan that produces substantially turbulent flow is going to reduce the efficiency and effectiveness of your air cooling setup. It is fine for a blower on your car because it helps atomize fuel but you want nice, smooth airflow for air cooling. The only real contenders here is the TF34. The honeycomb sucks and the others produce extremely turbulent flow.
Even still, you can see the TF34, which is modeled from a real turbofan engine produces some swirl. There are typically guide vanes in the duct which substantially reduce the swirl. That's what I mean about the next step. Along with ducting and shrouding, you need to be considering airflow straightening. Typically achieved with guide vanes or honeycomb ducts. Also, you don't need that massive hub on the TF34. Should only cover as much area as the motor in the fan assembly. Take as much blade area as you can get.
Love fan Showdowns. More often would be great!
The main content I come to your channel for is the fan showdown. Love the content and creativity of the showdown
That plane that goes "BRRRRRRRRRT" xD i died xD
If you died, how did you write this post?
@@TheRattleSnake3145 ever hear of a ghostwriter?
rip
Its not funny anymore that shit meme died 5 years ago
@@kaing5074 Boo, no fun. Besides, Paul Harrell just died recently. Not 5 years ago. Literally titled his video "I'm Dead". What a man!
I'm going to be honest, I really wish you posted fan showdown episodes more often. At least once a week preferably! But if not at least once every 2 weeks would still be amazing 😁
whenever fan showdown video appears I drop everything to look at it, so for me more frequent is better. But James, what I really want is to see you have fun, if you feel like you want to be into something else completely then go for it, I'll be there in the journey with you my man. (I WANT TO SEE YOUR DOG MORE, NON NEGOTIABLE)
I havent seen one of these since the algo picked you up way back in the early days. Your onscreen presence and prod value have really improved. Good work man, I got you subbed now!
My concern is that you should do fan showdown when you want and its like w.e. its just cool
This show really helped me throughout the pandemic and i still love to watch it every time. Once or twice a month would be amazing 😊
Fan Showdown every week or else I will wait.
Lol, all your videos about "building" things are good.
I'm excited for a new episode of the fan show down. I've been really busy this summer as well, so I'm just excited to slow down and enjoy some UA-cam videos again.
4:11 I see what you did there
This is my favourite fan-related content on all of the internet, and that's quite an achievement.
Absolutely unacceptable making us wait - it has been missed
I do apologize, but I love these videos. They are pretty much the only ones I watch from your channel, but I am fascinated by this specific niche.
The Fan Showdown is an internet sensation and there is nothing else like it.
There are 3 others that i can think of doing similar .
There's another guy doing a boat prop showdown. The winner so far seems to be one called "spanmaxxing" lmao
@@Flesh_Wizard theres also one doing a 3d printer duct design comp and one doing a wind turbine generator comp
More fans and more often! We need the best fan possible!
Except next season you should have a category of testing for airflow at a standardized noise level (throttle the fan till it reaches a specific noise level) and pressure at a standardized noise level. This would allow us to determine which fan would be best for quiet setups for case cooling and in front of a radiator.
Please post more often, I look forward to these.
7:38 Someone, make this fan + a shroud going over it, to capture that "side spill-pit" on the front side.
That pink noise sound of the Vortex is so pleasing, I wouldn't get anything done except sleep
for me personally, i think along as the videos are of good quality and doesnt seem rushed. its good. also if you have the fan showdowns more spaced out, you could have more fans to run though the gauntlet.
How many of the fan showdown videos isn’t super important but having them on a regular basis would definitely be cool.
I was definitely wondering when the next episode was supposed to be coming up, so I'm glad you eventually noticed it's been a while! I would love more episodes as long as you're able!
Is there a category for ease of cleaning ? No one lives in a totally dust free environment , These fans WILL get dirty.
My guess would be if you can easily take them out if the frame/case, just give them a rinse in water or something, and let them dry
Just print a new one. ;-)
@@CentreMetre *DISTILLED water... heh
normal tap water can contain microscopic particles that are metallic, sometimes enough mineral content even, to potentially produce arcing and conduction. Always use distilled water, literally collected from steam, so that you can be sure it is pure and does not have these particulates.
@@Munenushi Oh didnt know that, interesting. Thanks for telling me
pro tip, get some cheap stocking and span a piece in front of the grill. Fantatsic dust filter
Honestly, spacing fan showdown out and having cool projects in between would be awesome.
OFC you NEED to have a fan showdown every 69.420 minutes no ifs ands or butts. -s
Thanks @MajorHardware, very cool to be on your show! I can't post a link here but I'll email it to you for the VortexNine - in case anyone wants to play around with it.
hey man nice design! hello from lostintech crew o/
@@CrazyT0sser Hey, how's things over on the old discord
@@mobiobione pretty cozy, as always!
thingiverse for download? or where? hehe
@@geort45make r world, search for vortexNine
The fan showdown videos are always fun. Make as many as you can without burning yourself out or it turning to stale content!
More fans more better, as long as the designs are new
Never thought that I'd be up watching a fan blade review video, when I should be sleeping, and find that I'm really interested.
The delay between episodes has been OUTRAGEOUS (insert ben outraged face)
I remember when this was in season 1, i haven't watched in years, but I love to see technological progress
IF you can swing maintaining the fan showdown output that you already have going without degrading the quality too much, I think its worthwhile! Your own health mentally and physically comes first of course, you're at your best when you feel your best.
I love these showdowns a lot and I'm thankful you're doing them ❤
That fan that lifted the cans made me think of how you could levitate a laptop with one of those cooler bases with fans
Sure it wins in static pressure, but that's not what Noctua is maximizing. And from 8:43 we can clearly see that the Noctua fan is much, much quieter.
This video title is like saying a random dude wins in a race vs peak Usain Bolt because you didn't specify that the random dude was using a motor bike.
You nailed it. The noise level is one of the main factors for fans.
Ya know, James, I could probably enjoy a Fan Showdown episode as fast as you can reasonably crank them out, like two per week or something like that, but then I wouldn't want you to get burned out on it. So I'll take them at whatever reasonable pace that you feel is comfortable. Happy fanning continued!
Oh, and happy little bit that's left of Labor Day!
That 8.0 rating.. 😶
Hah! It's always hilarious when the first place fan has some crazy high gap rating 💀
It can be beaten.
Also just to point out it sounds like a vacuum cleaner and has a centrifugal compressor attached. Takes up a ton more space than a normal 120 fan, so its a bit of a gimmick at this point. A bit of a blown up laptop fan. So honestly, this one hitting a 5.4 with just an open fan concept is pretty good in comparison.
Subscribed! This is fascinating stuff, there's so many potential utilities to explore - like the honeycomb, for all it lacks in performance, seemed to scavenge the smoke most effectively. Maybe it was a more directed column of smoke, or just observer error, but that combined with its quietness suggest it could be a superior choice for an exhaust fan. Makes me want to play with the geometry now, I'll bet that disrupting the planar face of the honeycomb could help it develop a larger low-pressure zone in front of the fan
looking at the smoke test for the vortex9, I wonder if you could improve the pressure by making some sort of overhang on the front? like a plate that covers the outer few milimeters of the fan blades, preventing all of that blowby out of the front. should be an easy enough thing to add to it too if it does work, but might need some work to get it to seal properly.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. I tried it, but it seems this design is building pressure by having the wing actually flying in a more laminar way. The overhang actually killed some pressure. I went in a bit of a different direction for the fan I sumbitted after this one though.
seeing how small the gap at the frame is, I guess you need some spill out at the front to keep the airflow up and not stall the blades.
It's still a very clever design though.
@@cosmic_cupcake Yeah, that seems like exactly what is going on, thanks!
I don't think you do enough fan showdowns. Like I could watch one every day
3:47 YACF = Yet Another Centrifugal Fan. Kinda like YAML = yet another markup language I'm guessing 🤷♂️
it stands for "YAML Ain't Markup Language" nowadays.
I'm only here to watch the smoke go through the fans with that fantastic music. I could watch an hour of just that 😆
Nice
Edit: damn, bots really be botting, huh?
Edit 2: saw an Arctic's 14cm fan (P14 Max, I believe) that seems to have amazing specs. Could you look into using that one for these vids?
Edit 3: now that i thought some more about it, it seems like the fact that their 80mm fan has an actively cooled motor could provide yet another metric and another design factor for these fans (as in, maybe also look into which one keeps the motor cooler)
The internet is basically bots talking to bots at this point
Hey there! I made a second edit to my comment asking if you could look into using Arctic's P14 Max fans for these vids. Or maybe their 80mm 10k rpm fan@@MajorHardware
Very interesting topic! 🤣
I was about to say something similar. a lot of bots with pictures of beautiful women commenting on the video from the first second... someone wanted to make the YT algorithm happy.
I super-duper love The Fan Showdown. To me it's important that it's a lot or a little of that specifically. But the more 3D-printer-maker content, the better :)
More Fans More Showdowns
Vortex 9 FTW!! Very impressive and using a very non-standard design!! I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the designer get approached by fan makers in the future.
A design to make their product stand out, and even beats the competition? Practically money in the bank there!
I thought the show had ended because their was such a large gap. I was sad but figured you just moved on.
Now it's easy to create the optimal static pressure PC fan. Use the Vortex9 as base. Stretch the blades upwards so they can capture more air, and design a shroud to close of the elongated blades so that all the air gets tunneled down
Did bro say "make me goon" at 4:05????
YACF
I love the range of other content, between, The Fan Showdown episodes.
For a regular fan design to reach above half of Wonder from Down Under is straight up insanity!
Finally one for the big companies to actually look at. I'm sure a lab of professionals can easily shave down those sound levels while maintaining performance. The LED potential for this one is also great!
These fans are awesome no doubt but this is really nothing special when you look at anything beyond consumer fans. Lookup the data sheet for a Delta AFB1212VHE. 129.9CFM and 10.7mmH2O at 49dB(A).
You may say the dB is high but they can run at a low speed (very quiet) and still exceed most consumer grade fans performance.
Honestly, I enjoy most of your content because you're into some cool stuff. I love Fan Showdown, but it's not the only thing I'm here for. Do what works for you.
I could watch fan showdown every week, but as I am not a paying audience, I am just happy for what I get, and not demanding more episodes.
I think one of the coolest and not spoken about part of this series is seeing the surface tension of air during the smoke test.
And how the smoke in the air shows air being drug into the fan by the air proceeding it and the air around the fan that doesn’t get pulled directly in gets slung forward into the divider wall.
If someone could harness this “free” energy contained within the air itself, I think it might bode well for a fan design.
To use the pre-acceleration of the air as a benefit to increase overall air captured as well as the “bypass air” that’s completely missing the fan with an external siphon around the rim of the fan that would pull it in from the circumference as well instead of just the face.
Go back and watch that slo-mo and you’ll see how fast that smoke is moving when it gets slung into the divider. Imagine using that air-speed and volume by having a circumferential fan intake in its own bypass circuit. Where the main body/fave of the fan has a normal design, but the circumference has a high pressure design. The fan should meet many requirements for all the seasons at that point. With the proper design that is.
I’m no designer or engineer, but if someone does read this and either has some input or ideas they’d like to share and enlighten me on, or thinks it’s a good idea and makes it could you make a nod with the naming? Like the Jaspa Fan?