Love that DP and PT are assembling the engine in-house. I hope the whole engine build is done at the shop. Closer to what a lot of us would do to save some cash. I'm sure NV Auto or some of their other partners could do a great job quickly and with more knowledge, but that is not why I watch the channel!
As quoted from the Mitsubishi EVO Manual: Main differences in EVOLUTION-VI from the base vehicle Baffle plate in engine oil pan improved for higher cooling performance. i.imgur.com/0b3rWw6.jpg
Not to be picky, but Most of the cheaper ring grinders use a thick fiber disc. If you try to grind both ring gap ends at the same time, you will taper the gap. Grind only one side and it is easier to keep the gap parallel and even. Plus if you are gapping for a boosted engine, the gap will be larger. This means a lot more grinding and a bigger chance of tapering the gap, so grinding one side is very important. Use a fine file to deburr the areas you just cut to stop bore scratching. Practice on an old ring first. Good going guys
Great Series! When built my 4g i had the same exact experience with the rings. Same manufacturer 10 years ago. I removed the balance shafts so i could get the extra oil pressure.
In 2003/2004 I built a 560kw @32psi boost 4G63 for a friend which went into a GSR evo 3 replica. Didn't take much really. Ported evo 3 head. Cams, can't remember the specs, around 272° duration. Forged rods, pistons. GT 35/40 turbo (same as XR6 turbo). Link ECU with full anti lag. I designed and made exhaust manifold, true pulse tuned to suit cam specs, (unheard of 17yrs ago). Designed and built inlet manifold (pulse tuned aswell). 1000cc injectors. Engine would easily rev to 9,500 rpm (limiter). Car weighed around 1150kg The most insane car I've ever been in.
Love the videos!! Just one suggestion, sometimes the music is too loud, after low volume talking audio it switches to loud music. So I always have to adjust the volume haha
Love it, stumbled across the channel looking at 350z Best Motoring vids and it's my new favourite channel!! Love the amount of detail on these Evo engine build episodes, in fact ALL the episodes I've watched so far have been great, much more detail than other channels but hugely entertaining and very well produced. Massive thumbs up from United Kingdom!!
The oil pan you had with the dent appears to match the one that came out of my evo 8, I do have a spare one. But it needs a little bit of love and to be cleaned out
Caught up on the e46 series! Next up evo build 😁 You boys make a great time! Love the videos. Straight to the point, bit of humour, clean shop, great taste in cars too!
Some of the best automotive content there is! Hope your channel explodes in popularity, you guys deserve it! Only beef I have is let me pay CAD for a sweater, it feels weird paying USD for a sweater made in Etobicoke by Canadians.
Once you get balanced crank and pistons and rods deleting the balance shafts its fine. you will have a lot less vibration then if you just do it on a stock motor
i dont think people actually delete the balance shafts for the 3hp you may gain or not. The real problem with those is that the bearings like to fail and then you'll lose oil pressure.
On my forged build, I had my balancer shafts turned down to eliminate that little belt in case of failure at high revs. I can't detect any more vibration.
It's very rare, and often from extreme mileage, or a internal oiling failure... Also alot of people who "rebuild" 4Gs themselves skip replacing the balance shaft bearings due to them being "difficult" to replace, even if they are extremely worn or lightly damaged, will ultimately lead to the bearing failing very quickly.
I only have had 1 4G puke out a balance shaft bearing, and it had 240,000 original miles on it, and was receiving a helluva beating by a 17 year old on some twisty country roads. One could argue the car was run low on oil, and the car started starving for oil in the harder corners because the mains bearings were toast too when the engine was pulled apart afterwords.
Plastigage is actually the more accurate way of measuring for 95% of people building an engine. At sizes as small thousandths of an inch , the ambient temperature and the the temp of your hand holding the tool will change the measurement significantly. Your tool also has to be calibrated and the measurement process itself is not hard to screw up. Also , plastigage can alert you to misalignment of the main bores or a bend in the crank, calipers wont.
Don’t for get to grind some of the paint off your block for the grounds. I used ppg paint on my block and I could not figure out why my ecu keep shutting off last week!
Guys, super to see this build, but the opening of the clips in the pistons have to be at the bottom or at the top, if they are facing the side they can `unlock'/'compress' at high rpm's and can get out of their groove because of the great forces. And that is motor failure. Keep up the good work.
The ring orientation is one of the biggest myths in engine assembly. Everyone seems to know that the rings are supposed to rotate when the engine is running, but that means that how you orient them does not matter, they won't stay in that place anyway. Don't take my word for it, plenty of big engine manufacturers line up the grooves because that makes it easier for machines to assemble the rings.
I've been told not to use those 3m discs before. I guess I could use it next time as you found. Did you folks use it on aluminum as well with no effect on the metal itself?
Pound out the dent on the original oil pan. The windage tray and improved baffles could easily make enough of a difference to prolong the life of the engine at the track, as like most 90s performance vehicles, oil starvation during extreme lateral Gs is a real thing largely due to primitive/basic baffeling. The R32 GTRs, and various Mitsubishis really seemed to suffer from this the most
you said you torqued the con rod bolts for plasti gauge but then use a stretch gauge to finish it fully, your always ment to use the same method as both pre check and final build to make sure its consistent! why did you differ from doing 1 vs the final choice?
Looking forward to the rest of this series(and all of your videos really). I don’t know how you guys deal with all of these keyboard experts in the comments 🙄
hey when you pound out that oil pan im sure you guys will but try and massage it while its pretty warm/ hot and it will be easier you all ready knew that though
When assembling pistons and rods you need to remember that often they have a specific alignment, it is very not fun having to disassemble them because the rod is back to front. How do I know? I bought a set preassembled off someone who gave up on an engine build.
Never seen someone not torque rod bolts In to see how long b4 those rods come loose iv seen ppl check rod bolt stretch but also torqued them down after installed
Deleting balance shafts is hardly about power gains. More about getting rid of something that can fail. I've seen some blocks go due to tossing a balance rod.
Just run the oil pan does the .25 quart of lost capacity matter? Next thing you know is that you will knock a hole in the oil pan trying to get that dent out.
Ok.. So the oil pan on the left is from which evo? The oil pan on thr right with a dent is from which evo? Left looks like a 5 or 6..Right looks like a 7 or 8.. Idk.. I'm curious to know tho.. 🤣🤣
So I’m a sti hatch owner and watch the build of yours and now I’m loving this build as well, BUT I really don’t remember you putting this much love into the STI motor as the evo motor. What’s the deal🤔
Man sure that ring compressor is damn tight and well lubed, tap it flat on the block, and tap that piston down into the bore. I've had plenty of rings pop out between the compressor & block, but I've not broken one yet, just be very careful.
I broke one my first time trying with the ratcheting kind well my 3 piston of four so i got 2 in and broke the 3 so i need to buy a new set and try again any suggestions ?
@@Mustardmartin Get rings for 1 piston. Or use an old ring of the same size and flex it open a little bit. Combustion pushes the ring against the wall provided you cleaned out the carbon buildup in the ring grooves and you put the ring in the right orientation. You gotta go tight with the ratcheting compressor, use a 1/4" ratchet with a 4" extension to tighten it
Good video I'm building my 4g63 as well I decided to delete my balance shaft as the belt broke and cost me a rebuild whather it's a gain or loose I'm not sure .
Love the 80s time lapse music
Really fits the 4G63 in my mind, being an 80s vintage block design
I like the music in this episode, kinda gives me a Tron vibe. Using Honda bond to hold the gasket in place, I like it.
honda bond is the best
Nico Dc5 yes...yes it is 😊
The Evo pan is a way better design than the one you got sent to you. Just give the Evo one a love tap and put it back.
Love that DP and PT are assembling the engine in-house. I hope the whole engine build is done at the shop. Closer to what a lot of us would do to save some cash. I'm sure NV Auto or some of their other partners could do a great job quickly and with more knowledge, but that is not why I watch the channel!
Ive been waiting for your video guys. Totally underrated channel. Deserves way more subs. 👍👍
4:50 in, thanks for the laugh, i needed that ;)
Like using the needle file backwards......
Love a good build. Homegrown fellow Canadians makes this channel special to me. Keep up the good work boys
I'll second that good sir.
As quoted from the Mitsubishi EVO Manual: Main differences in EVOLUTION-VI from the base vehicle
Baffle plate in engine oil pan improved for higher cooling performance.
i.imgur.com/0b3rWw6.jpg
The background music is theme of the build. Something about an engine going together is fantastic to watch!
Not to be picky, but Most of the cheaper ring grinders use a thick fiber disc. If you try to grind both ring gap ends at the same time, you will taper the gap. Grind only one side and it is easier to keep the gap parallel and even. Plus if you are gapping for a boosted engine, the gap will be larger. This means a lot more grinding and a bigger chance of tapering the gap, so grinding one side is very important. Use a fine file to deburr the areas you just cut to stop bore scratching. Practice on an old ring first. Good going guys
Dave says later in the video that he only grinded one side for most of them, and he takes a file to them to grind down the burs.
@@emc3065 Thanks...That cost me a ring set years ago when I was 18 and knew everything. I'm 68 now and still watch and learn.
This show is like QVC for car parts.
Great Series! When built my 4g i had the same exact experience with the rings. Same manufacturer 10 years ago. I removed the balance shafts so i could get the extra oil pressure.
In 2003/2004 I built a 560kw @32psi boost 4G63 for a friend which went into a GSR evo 3 replica. Didn't take much really. Ported evo 3 head. Cams, can't remember the specs, around 272° duration. Forged rods, pistons. GT 35/40 turbo (same as XR6 turbo). Link ECU with full anti lag. I designed and made exhaust manifold, true pulse tuned to suit cam specs, (unheard of 17yrs ago). Designed and built inlet manifold (pulse tuned aswell). 1000cc injectors.
Engine would easily rev to 9,500 rpm (limiter). Car weighed around 1150kg
The most insane car I've ever been in.
This is the music you guys need to play to every video. Thumbs up!
nice music. really good 80s-90s era feel
Thanks for the longer video guys 👍 p.s. you guys are killin it with the music lately
Love the videos!! Just one suggestion, sometimes the music is too loud, after low volume talking audio it switches to loud music. So I always have to adjust the volume haha
Can't wait to catch up with current videos of this beast!!
Damn i want to give a huge shout out to the person that is doing the edits (PT maybe). They look and sound sick!!!
Great video. I think the balance delete is more of an insurance to keep the balancer belt from taking out the cambelt.
That step in the ring is to create an oil bead that helps to seal and lubricate the ring. Adds a slight bit of compression, but reduces a lot of wear.
them synth vibes, feeling it guys! Like learning how to build up specific engines
You guys deserve A LOT more subs and views. Your content is killer and professional! Keep it up!
A lot*
Love it, stumbled across the channel looking at 350z Best Motoring vids and it's my new favourite channel!! Love the amount of detail on these Evo engine build episodes, in fact ALL the episodes I've watched so far have been great, much more detail than other channels but hugely entertaining and very well produced. Massive thumbs up from United Kingdom!!
Nice to see this all being done by yourselves. Epic!
I think pistons are one of the most beautiful part of an engine...
Pistons are sensual. People are sensuous.
The oil pan you had with the dent appears to match the one that came out of my evo 8, I do have a spare one. But it needs a little bit of love and to be cleaned out
Caught up on the e46 series! Next up evo build 😁 You boys make a great time! Love the videos. Straight to the point, bit of humour, clean shop, great taste in cars too!
With my extra time at home I’m not skipping ads to try and help you guys keep dropping amazing content, thanks for the entertainment!
This channel is underrated.
Love when Pete says holy smokes
Thanks for keeping the videos coming. Hope you’re staying safe and healthy
Some of the best automotive content there is!
Hope your channel explodes in popularity, you guys deserve it!
Only beef I have is let me pay CAD for a sweater, it feels weird paying USD for a sweater made in Etobicoke by Canadians.
DP quote of the day “more palifull engine”. Love you guys
Holy moli... didnt thinkever about filing the compression rings...👍
Respect...👌
Yep,
gotta open 'em up more when you're planning to make more power, so the ring doesn't expand closed and break a ring-land.
Segment at 7:48 is why I watch these videos
This is a great series, I hope to have the opportunity to build an engine one day; only to return to this series and use it as a fun tutorial!
Make sure to add a baffle to your oem pan or you’ll be sorry.
Woohoo, that babies gonna be in the car soon. Can’t wait for the tune video
Woot! Been waiting for today!!! Wohoo!
Never knew Milwaukee had safety glasses! Want! ✨✨
Say it Pete...Hondabond. Best on the market
💪[H]
Once you get balanced crank and pistons and rods deleting the balance shafts its fine. you will have a lot less vibration then if you just do it on a stock motor
Cool video boys! Can't wait to see the Evo rippin' at TMP!
Nice call on that outrun music track! 🚗💨💨💨😏👍
amazing job 👌
Pretty sure you torque the rod bolts to spec then use the gauge to confirm or correct the torque.
i dont think people actually delete the balance shafts for the 3hp you may gain or not. The real problem with those is that the bearings like to fail and then you'll lose oil pressure.
True, but many DSM's have had a hard life with poor maintenance/oil for a turbo car.
On my forged build, I had my balancer shafts turned down to eliminate that little belt in case of failure at high revs. I can't detect any more vibration.
It's very rare, and often from extreme mileage, or a internal oiling failure... Also alot of people who "rebuild" 4Gs themselves skip replacing the balance shaft bearings due to them being "difficult" to replace, even if they are extremely worn or lightly damaged, will ultimately lead to the bearing failing very quickly.
I only have had 1 4G puke out a balance shaft bearing, and it had 240,000 original miles on it, and was receiving a helluva beating by a 17 year old on some twisty country roads. One could argue the car was run low on oil, and the car started starving for oil in the harder corners because the mains bearings were toast too when the engine was pulled apart afterwords.
@@fila1445 a aluminum flywheel will have the same/greater effect, without the cost of increasing NVH and potential oiling problems.
Can’t remember the last time I saw DP without a hat on lol
Plastigage is actually the more accurate way of measuring for 95% of people building an engine. At sizes as small thousandths of an inch , the ambient temperature and the the temp of your hand holding the tool will change the measurement significantly. Your tool also has to be calibrated and the measurement process itself is not hard to screw up. Also , plastigage can alert you to misalignment of the main bores or a bend in the crank, calipers wont.
Love this series.
Definitely heard the snap and that's why we call them snap rings 😂
New editing looks awesome
Loving this.
You guys always have great info.
Don’t for get to grind some of the paint off your block for the grounds. I used ppg paint on my block and I could not figure out why my ecu keep shutting off last week!
Guys, super to see this build,
but the opening of the clips in the pistons have to be at the bottom or at the top, if they are facing the side they can `unlock'/'compress' at high rpm's and can get out of their groove because of the great forces.
And that is motor failure.
Keep up the good work.
Call JE and tell them that because we followed their instructions.
The ring orientation is one of the biggest myths in engine assembly. Everyone seems to know that the rings are supposed to rotate when the engine is running, but that means that how you orient them does not matter, they won't stay in that place anyway.
Don't take my word for it, plenty of big engine manufacturers line up the grooves because that makes it easier for machines to assemble the rings.
What if they all rotate in sync
This is the amount of detail that should have went into project grip s14's sr20.
I've been told not to use those 3m discs before. I guess I could use it next time as you found. Did you folks use it on aluminum as well with no effect on the metal itself?
always been told to only file one side of the ring to avoid taper
Pound out the dent on the original oil pan. The windage tray and improved baffles could easily make enough of a difference to prolong the life of the engine at the track, as like most 90s performance vehicles, oil starvation during extreme lateral Gs is a real thing largely due to primitive/basic baffeling.
The R32 GTRs, and various Mitsubishis really seemed to suffer from this the most
Hmmm, Pete let DP do some really fine-detail work on that car. I'm suspecting some Sabotage ;)
Love your work! Keep it up!!
you said you torqued the con rod bolts for plasti gauge but then use a stretch gauge to finish it fully, your always ment to use the same method as both pre check and final build to make sure its consistent! why did you differ from doing 1 vs the final choice?
Good Job guys, this is awesome!
Interesting I've removed every 4g63 Ballance shaft I've built but I've ballanced the rotating assembly I've seen the Ballance belts snap way to often
Need to links in description so if we havent seen previous episodes
Loooved the work time lapse ;-)
Looking forward to the rest of this series(and all of your videos really). I don’t know how you guys deal with all of these keyboard experts in the comments 🙄
I can’t see building a block and putting in cheap rods. Manley turbo tuff I beams are a must.
hey when you pound out that oil pan im sure you guys will but try and massage it while its pretty warm/ hot and it will be easier you all ready knew that though
When assembling pistons and rods you need to remember that often they have a specific alignment, it is very not fun having to disassemble them because the rod is back to front. How do I know? I bought a set preassembled off someone who gave up on an engine build.
... sounds like after this is done you all should turn an Impreza into an Evo6 killer ;)
Never seen someone not torque rod bolts In to see how long b4 those rods come loose iv seen ppl check rod bolt stretch but also torqued them down after installed
Deleting balance shafts is hardly about power gains. More about getting rid of something that can fail. I've seen some blocks go due to tossing a balance rod.
use tomei evo6 oil pan its good engineering
Awesome 🤙
Just run the oil pan does the .25 quart of lost capacity matter? Next thing you know is that you will knock a hole in the oil pan trying to get that dent out.
2 people in the world i will trust with touching my car. Speed Academy and Tom from toms turbo garage.
To make sure the piston ring ends are perfectly square, shouldn't you be filing both ends?
Ok.. So the oil pan on the left is from which evo? The oil pan on thr right with a dent is from which evo? Left looks like a 5 or 6..Right looks like a 7 or 8.. Idk.. I'm curious to know tho.. 🤣🤣
Did you guys install the thrust bearings off camera??
Haha im gald u guys left that in the video. #bloopers.
nice! i need this today!
What the purpose of the rings he put in cylinder guys? Newbie here
When he said Newton metre
I felt that
this music is giving me a mega man vibe lol
i need to know where you guys are getting this music from
So I’m a sti hatch owner and watch the build of yours and now I’m loving this build as well, BUT I really don’t remember you putting this much love into the STI motor as the evo motor. What’s the deal🤔
christian land it’s because this is their first time doing this on their own. They had nv auto assemble the sti block.
christian land - from what I’ve seen, boxer engines are far from straight forward to rebuild, particularly the short block.
I know boys, I’m just giving them shit. Just seams like there putting a lot of effort into the evo.
Reusing crank bolts? Aren't those stretch bolts?
damn this makes me miss my evo.
19:50 If a ring isn’t set correctly, you will break it with that technique.
i've never broken a ring in 30 years with that technique. lucky me
Man sure that ring compressor is damn tight and well lubed, tap it flat on the block, and tap that piston down into the bore.
I've had plenty of rings pop out between the compressor & block, but I've not broken one yet, just be very careful.
Yeah, I'm a little surprised they didn't opt for a tapered ring compressor to minimize that risk.
I broke one my first time trying with the ratcheting kind well my 3 piston of four so i got 2 in and broke the 3 so i need to buy a new set and try again any suggestions ?
@@Mustardmartin Get rings for 1 piston. Or use an old ring of the same size and flex it open a little bit. Combustion pushes the ring against the wall provided you cleaned out the carbon buildup in the ring grooves and you put the ring in the right orientation. You gotta go tight with the ratcheting compressor, use a 1/4" ratchet with a 4" extension to tighten it
The time lapse music is - soundcloud.com/jamie-bathgate/travelator - for anyone who's curious ;)
Part 3 - left Head bolt
Cya in part 26
Good video
I'm building my 4g63 as well I decided to delete my balance shaft as the belt broke and cost me a rebuild whather it's a gain or loose I'm not sure .
I have done the same, you'll get higher oil pressure, i also deleted the squirters so my oil pressure is about 20% higher, so far so good
Guys the music at 10:00 ish is amazing... 😂
Nice!!
"A slight bitch..." shall now be added to everyone's insult database
16:37 thats what she said