The fact that Oden managed to stay alive for one whole hour in a boiling Goemon bath filled with oil while holding up all his subordinates/ friemds sitting on a heavy wooden plank alone makes him the strongest chaeacter we have seen so far aside from Roger, Newgate, Shanks, Sengoku, and Garp
Oden is very underated by the fanbase. Oda clearly made him a legend, he was born insanely strong with haki yielding two very powerful swords with ease. Wb called him out of the ordinary even before his pirate journey and learned acoc. Wb refered to him as brother and not son to show how much he respect his strength. Oden took very strong hits from prime wb and roger and wasnt even knocked off and was ready to fight again. He made an insane reputation as a pirate within a few months of cruising. During his fight with kaido, in the manga kaido is on the ground and oden is ready to finish him off ( kaido doesnt go back to his base form ready to clash, its an anime only thing), without the distraction kaido was on the ground and oden was ready to finish him off, not only that but that was an oden who didnt fight for 5 years while kaido was building his strength and forces. Even kaido knew oden would have won and called him a swordmen like no other. And the chery on top his epic death surviving hot oil for an hour. Oden was truly built different. Even the narrator mentioned oden was invincible and triumphant aftee his voyage with roger
We have never seen Kaido fight dirty like that except against oden. Kaido would have been dead if odens wasn’t off guard and his son wasn’t being threatened
Weird enough there’s actually a story in Jewish tradition that’s like oden holding onto the Moby Dick. One of the last giants holds on to Noah’s Ark during the flood, making deals with Noah
Good analysis, you covered not only the manga but also the vivre card book which has a lot of important info. Most OP fans just go off head canon or ignore narrative/statements. Their ability to make excuses knows no bounds. Oden was literally based on Hercules. He’s without a doubt a top tier who rivals kaido in strength.
Well he was still alive when that grande was thrown at him and he can handle but the heaven and hell sword at once which drains tremendous amount of haki and eats your arm if your not strong enough. When he was cooked to death he was Alive for a good 1 hour and a half so I would say he was probably the strongest one in wanao
No he isn't deserving of being considered the wss, it's literally said it's self proclaimed. While he is in fact strong as the vc state, if he were to be the strongest swordman he would be called as such straight up.
And then immediately after that it stated “ *and his pride was not undeserved* “. Meaning his pride of proclaiming to be the WSS is merited based on his strength and skill. You do realize titles in OP have a lot to do with recognition and influence right? Oden was a pirate for a relatively short amount of time, and was overshadowed by the two greatest pirates of all time. The rest of his life he lived in wano which is unaffiliated with the WG. He had no reputation or recognition on a global level, thus he didn’t get the title. But he had the strength and skill for it though. That’s why oda wrote that in his vivre card.
@@Historicsvice Nowhere but Oden said he has the strongest style so it’s above Roger‘s as well. Also Rayleigh is 100% stronger than Oden, it’s not even close. Garp mentioned that they can’t take on 2 legends at the same time which was referred to WB and Rayleigh. It was referred to fighting as well so Rayleigh scales on Roger and WB level
@@FTL_SAN Are you implying king is as strong as kaido, or zoro as strong as luffy, or even killer as strong as kid, or beckman as strong as shanks? The list of captains considering their firstmate a partner goes on and on, so that's not a good arguement.
@@thocka5144 Your logic is flawed here. Garp isn't saying whitebeard=ray because that wouldn't make sense, considering his rivalry with ray's captain (who is superior to him). Oden is at least relative to Rayleigh. Oden is strong enough to tank a Kamusari and just get up like it didn't do much damage. He's also strong enough to leave permanent scars on Kaido. Going by your flawed scaling, this puts Oden above Whitebeard, considering Kaido has fought both of them but only has scars from Oden, and none from Whitebeard.
Kaido was stunned on the ground after getting cut as oden was rushing him for a final blow. The manga depicts that oden would’ve won right there, which also lines up with why kaido is traumatized by oden because he knows had oden not gotten distracted and landed that final blow, it was over for him. Oden essentially bested him and he knows it, it also explains why he compared oden to the strongest pirates of all time.
@@challengerchris8242 the fight was stated to be *long* in the manga and thus offscreen. It goes without saying that he would use it in a long fight against an equal. But since it’s offscreen we didn’t see it. Kaido swapped forms against Luffy too he was in full dragon form against G5.
@@challengerchris8242he literally overpowered him after a long fight and was one final attack from winning. He clearly wasn’t inferior to kaido at the very least
Better style does not mean stronger, you can have a better fighting style (more efficient) but still be weaker than someone. The vidéo was good, but no need to get into far'fetched reasoning like that. "He came back almost invincible" > Nobody on wano could beat him except Kaido. Kaido would have lost to Oden if it was not for the grandma. Kaido was Yonko lvl, so Oden is yonko lvl. Rayleigh prime was also Yonko lvl, so Rayleigh is equal to Oden. Roughly we got : Roger >= Xebec > Wb = Bb = Oden = Shiki = Rayleigh = Big Mom = Kaido (= Dragon??) = Shanks(at least) I won't scale shanks because I am biased cuz of my headcanons but he is at least at the same lvl as Kaido and all the other yonkos, but I personally think that he is as strong as rtoger, if not even more. But this is not backed up by facts. So until now this is all the "at least yonko lvl" that we've seen so far, but I can't really agree with Oden being stronger than rayleigh or kaido, they are all yonko lvl so Oden could win or lose to anyone in this tier
@@TheWildCard2k Honestly I would have loved for Mihawk to be a Yonko istead of a warlord that couldn't touch Vista, but Oda didn't want to :(. Its a shame because Mihawk looks so cool, I hope he'll get a power up to atleast be YC1 lvl
You can’t say oden could do everything that rooftop Zoro could do just because oden could weld enma as light as a feather. It’s been stated multiple times that enma was testing Zoro so we don’t know if enma does that to oden. Plus we don’t know what odens other blade does. It could replenish strength. Unless 9 year old oden has stronger haki than rooftop Zoro
It’s implied that Oden could withstand the same drain Zoro was getting but wield Enma still, plus the while Kaido narrative backing I mention supports this
Oden second sowrd is a cursed sowrd just like enma so the weak dosnt have a chance to wield it, and 6 years oden was strong enough to through a boulder and beating a bear, he is super human just like big mom, check this in oden backstory, and yes oden could cut hyprid kaido because his haki is superior, and kaido did not encounter with whitebeard and roger just like oden did, so oden above zoro obviously
@@Mrkingdom707 I think kaido dodging zoro’s attacks and being scarred makes him worthy enough of acknowledgment. Because the kaido that oden did all that too was far weaker than the kaido now. If kaido now fought oden then oden wouldn’t even be able to knock him down.
@@FTL_SAN oden haki is superior, if luffy base form was enough to give kaido a fight of his life, than oden can slice him with alot better conqueror haki and his two cursed sowrd, not just that, oden was a superhuman who can fight for days without falling, luffy needs three rounds, he got beaten and then he gets up, hyprid kaido isn't invincible if you had conqueror coating and that's enough, no need to bring hyprid form argument
The fact that Oden managed to stay alive for one whole hour in a boiling Goemon bath filled with oil while holding up all his subordinates/ friemds sitting on a heavy wooden plank alone makes him the strongest chaeacter we have seen so far aside from Roger, Newgate, Shanks, Sengoku, and Garp
Fr and that fact that Kaido was so scared bro had to suprise attack him cause Kaido was getting folded
Oden is very underated by the fanbase. Oda clearly made him a legend, he was born insanely strong with haki yielding two very powerful swords with ease. Wb called him out of the ordinary even before his pirate journey and learned acoc. Wb refered to him as brother and not son to show how much he respect his strength. Oden took very strong hits from prime wb and roger and wasnt even knocked off and was ready to fight again. He made an insane reputation as a pirate within a few months of cruising. During his fight with kaido, in the manga kaido is on the ground and oden is ready to finish him off ( kaido doesnt go back to his base form ready to clash, its an anime only thing), without the distraction kaido was on the ground and oden was ready to finish him off, not only that but that was an oden who didnt fight for 5 years while kaido was building his strength and forces. Even kaido knew oden would have won and called him a swordmen like no other. And the chery on top his epic death surviving hot oil for an hour. Oden was truly built different. Even the narrator mentioned oden was invincible and triumphant aftee his voyage with roger
We have never seen Kaido fight dirty like that except against oden. Kaido would have been dead if odens wasn’t off guard and his son wasn’t being threatened
Weird enough there’s actually a story in Jewish tradition that’s like oden holding onto the Moby Dick. One of the last giants holds on to Noah’s Ark during the flood, making deals with Noah
Yonko level. Dude can bang with the best of them.
Good analysis, you covered not only the manga but also the vivre card book which has a lot of important info.
Most OP fans just go off head canon or ignore narrative/statements. Their ability to make excuses knows no bounds.
Oden was literally based on Hercules. He’s without a doubt a top tier who rivals kaido in strength.
This video should have more views. Good work
Great video!
Nice video bro !
Well he was still alive when that grande was thrown at him and he can handle but the heaven and hell sword at once which drains tremendous amount of haki and eats your arm if your not strong enough.
When he was cooked to death he was Alive for a good 1 hour and a half so I would say he was probably the strongest one in wanao
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No he isn't deserving of being considered the wss, it's literally said it's self proclaimed. While he is in fact strong as the vc state, if he were to be the strongest swordman he would be called as such straight up.
And then immediately after that it stated “ *and his pride was not undeserved* “. Meaning his pride of proclaiming to be the WSS is merited based on his strength and skill.
You do realize titles in OP have a lot to do with recognition and influence right? Oden was a pirate for a relatively short amount of time, and was overshadowed by the two greatest pirates of all time. The rest of his life he lived in wano which is unaffiliated with the WG. He had no reputation or recognition on a global level, thus he didn’t get the title. But he had the strength and skill for it though. That’s why oda wrote that in his vivre card.
But can he beat Papazuki
He didn't beat Kaido, so he can't be as strong a samurai as Luffytaro.
He only lost because he got distracted we haven even seen a full on fight between the two instead they just trade blow's
@@mrkian8701 my comment still stands.
If you’re saying oden’s swordsmanship is greater than Rayleigh using that statement then his is also greater than Rogers.
where does it say ray has better swordsmanship than roger?
@@Historicsvice where does it at that he doesn’t? Roger sees Rayleigh as a partner not a subordinate
@@Historicsvice Nowhere but Oden said he has the strongest style so it’s above Roger‘s as well. Also Rayleigh is 100% stronger than Oden, it’s not even close.
Garp mentioned that they can’t take on 2 legends at the same time which was referred to WB and Rayleigh. It was referred to fighting as well so Rayleigh scales on Roger and WB level
@@FTL_SAN Are you implying king is as strong as kaido, or zoro as strong as luffy, or even killer as strong as kid, or beckman as strong as shanks? The list of captains considering their firstmate a partner goes on and on, so that's not a good arguement.
@@thocka5144 Your logic is flawed here. Garp isn't saying whitebeard=ray because that wouldn't make sense, considering his rivalry with ray's captain (who is superior to him). Oden is at least relative to Rayleigh. Oden is strong enough to tank a Kamusari and just get up like it didn't do much damage. He's also strong enough to leave permanent scars on Kaido. Going by your flawed scaling, this puts Oden above Whitebeard, considering Kaido has fought both of them but only has scars from Oden, and none from Whitebeard.
I might be a contrarian for this but I don’t think oden would have beaten kiado
Kaido was stunned on the ground after getting cut as oden was rushing him for a final blow. The manga depicts that oden would’ve won right there, which also lines up with why kaido is traumatized by oden because he knows had oden not gotten distracted and landed that final blow, it was over for him.
Oden essentially bested him and he knows it, it also explains why he compared oden to the strongest pirates of all time.
@@dacubanmofo but also kiado didn’t go hybrid so he didn’t even use his strongest form
@@challengerchris8242 the fight was stated to be *long* in the manga and thus offscreen. It goes without saying that he would use it in a long fight against an equal.
But since it’s offscreen we didn’t see it. Kaido swapped forms against Luffy too he was in full dragon form against G5.
@@dacubanmofo but oden wasn’t kiados equal
@@challengerchris8242he literally overpowered him after a long fight and was one final attack from winning. He clearly wasn’t inferior to kaido at the very least
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Better style does not mean stronger, you can have a better fighting style (more efficient) but still be weaker than someone.
The vidéo was good, but no need to get into far'fetched reasoning like that.
"He came back almost invincible" > Nobody on wano could beat him except Kaido.
Kaido would have lost to Oden if it was not for the grandma. Kaido was Yonko lvl, so Oden is yonko lvl.
Rayleigh prime was also Yonko lvl, so Rayleigh is equal to Oden.
Roughly we got :
Roger >= Xebec > Wb = Bb = Oden = Shiki = Rayleigh = Big Mom = Kaido (= Dragon??) = Shanks(at least)
I won't scale shanks because I am biased cuz of my headcanons but he is at least at the same lvl as Kaido and all the other yonkos, but I personally think that he is as strong as rtoger, if not even more. But this is not backed up by facts.
So until now this is all the "at least yonko lvl" that we've seen so far, but I can't really agree with Oden being stronger than rayleigh or kaido, they are all yonko lvl so Oden could win or lose to anyone in this tier
Mihawk fans are not gonna like this lol
@@TheWildCard2k Honestly I would have loved for Mihawk to be a Yonko istead of a warlord that couldn't touch Vista, but Oda didn't want to :(.
Its a shame because Mihawk looks so cool, I hope he'll get a power up to atleast be YC1 lvl
Kaido essentially implied oden is an equal. Either could win with extreme diff. That day oden was depicted to have won if not for the trick
You can’t say oden could do everything that rooftop Zoro could do just because oden could weld enma as light as a feather. It’s been stated multiple times that enma was testing Zoro so we don’t know if enma does that to oden. Plus we don’t know what odens other blade does. It could replenish strength. Unless 9 year old oden has stronger haki than rooftop Zoro
It’s implied that Oden could withstand the same drain Zoro was getting but wield Enma still, plus the while Kaido narrative backing I mention supports this
Oden second sowrd is a cursed sowrd just like enma so the weak dosnt have a chance to wield it, and 6 years oden was strong enough to through a boulder and beating a bear, he is super human just like big mom, check this in oden backstory, and yes oden could cut hyprid kaido because his haki is superior, and kaido did not encounter with whitebeard and roger just like oden did, so oden above zoro obviously
Oden alot stronger than rooftop zoro. Rooftop zoro was not acknowledged as one who can fight Kaido, Oden was.
@@Mrkingdom707 I think kaido dodging zoro’s attacks and being scarred makes him worthy enough of acknowledgment. Because the kaido that oden did all that too was far weaker than the kaido now. If kaido now fought oden then oden wouldn’t even be able to knock him down.
@@FTL_SAN oden haki is superior, if luffy base form was enough to give kaido a fight of his life, than oden can slice him with alot better conqueror haki and his two cursed sowrd, not just that, oden was a superhuman who can fight for days without falling, luffy needs three rounds, he got beaten and then he gets up, hyprid kaido isn't invincible if you had conqueror coating and that's enough, no need to bring hyprid form argument
odens trash
So are your reading comprehension skills and your ability to use deductive reasoning
I really enjoyed the video but it got ruined at the end.