Not even Kizaru could do that to Marco. He literally resorted to seastone cuffing at one point just to try neutralizing him. Marco could also speedblitz both King & Queen, his speed, agility & mobility is no joke & def more than enough to handle Sanji.
@@handsmcgee8331ya not to mention that even after the sea prison stone hand cuffs man had 3 holes straight threw him but still ran around taking down vice admirals with sea prison stone hand cuffs on
Pretty good breakdown, I like how you brought up all points. Lotta ppl tend to ignore or misinterpret Marco’s feats/portrayal in the story, while on the other hand gas up characters like Sanji & Zoro. Sanji is one of my personal favourite characters but the amount of times I’ve seen others trying to put him passed almost all first commanders is just ridiculous. He still gotta do more to prove such a claim, he has yet to face someone on that lvl like Zoro has for example. His best feat is still takin out yc2 Queen who isn’t really near those other first commanders, so respectfully Sanji gotta do more than that before ppl start jumping the gun scaling him that high.
I haven't finished the video yet, so i can't fully comment on the video in it's entirity, but i have watched up to the 5:20 mark where you try to argue Queen's relativity to King and Rooftop Zoro by using Zoro's statement about both King and Queen's path will be both difficult to the Rooftop. You used that statement to frame an arugment as to why Sanji pre & post Exo-skeleton is relative to Rooftop Zoro via his showing against Queen. That arugment is flawed, incorrect and have just morphed into the modern day; "Kaku and Jabra's doriki are close, hence Zoro and Sanji are close." narrative arugment which completely ignores later shown feats or the current perspective of the characters. Firstly, there's a distinction in strength b/w beginning of the raid Zoro vs after chapter 1001 Zoro. Zoro has been nerfing himself via his output of Haki, particularly through Enma, up until chapter 1001 when his cut base Kaido with his Onigiri alongside Killer, where Kaido praised BOTH of their attacks as being effective. That lays the foundation that Zoro's AP is relative to Killer's. After noticing that he didn't do much damage to base Kaido, Zoro said that he has to "unleash Enma a bit more", that's a colloquali term for flowing more ACOA into his swords. After making this change to his Acoa output is when "Rooftop Zoro" actually came alive and the difference in AP/defense was greatly noticeable. Following him flowing more of his COA, Zoro then deflected Kaido's wind slash with Enma, the same slash that cut Kiku's Ryuo-infused sword. Killer needed to create force by spinning his punishers to deflect the attack while Zoro just...slap it away... Zoro then performed Dragon blaze and given Kaido's and Big Mom's reactions and the narrative around Kaido's not dogding any attack until that point, it's logical consistency to assume that it scales above Law's gamma knife, Luffy's ACOA kong gun/rifle, etc. Zoro then overpowered Kaido's Tatsumaki and cut Kaido's scales, something that Killer can't do, hence his creation of Sonic sycthe, and he reacted to it in shock along Big Mom. The difference in power that Zoro gained from just releasing additional COA via Enma and his additional swords rise his AP/defense from being comparable to Killer's to completely outclassing his supernova compatriots until Asura/ACOC. So no, the Zoro that says that King and Queen's path won't be easy is NOT the same Zoro that fought on the Rooftop and performed his feats, which stemmed from his needing extra power to deal with Kaido's mythical dragon scales which is completely stronger than Queen's Ancient dinosaur scales and robotics. Secondly, Oda hardly makes distinction in strength b/w characters in similar groups when they're been spoken about. The government reported that Luffy defeated two sweet commander without mentioning that Katakuri is stronger than Cracker, random fodders on Onigashima thinks Big Mom is the same strength as Kaido as antagonistics while their feats and narrative [Kaido thinking only Joyboy can defeat him] speaks to the contrary are just a few examples. King and Queen are no different. No one throughout the story has witnessed Queen's nor King's full strength more than us the audience; Marco didn't fought King nor Queen at full strength neither did Greenbull, so to use the lack of distinction b/w their strength is nonsensical. King has greater AP, speed, defense, Hax and Haki (as he can flow his Coa into his sword) than Queen, and additional, fought a stronger opponent in establishing those feats. With that all being said, would Zoro not chose to take the path of Queen if he had the luxury of us the audience to know the capabilities of both King and Queen? Similarly, would the fodder on Onigashima thinks Kaido and Big mom are equal if he knows about the vast combative advantages that Kaido has over Big Mom (future sight, flaming drum bagua, greater control over ACOC etc.?) Obviously not. Queen's path would be way easier than King.
the way I took the statement was Zoro saying I would have to use a moderate amount of power to beat either of them. Essentially Zoro is saying I can't just low diff either of them, which I don't think is a crazy take considering how he looked against King after being on the roof. Ashura or Conquerors Zoro being different to what I was talking about if that makes sense. Relativity is a spectrum so it shouldn't be a big problem to say that imo. Thanks for watching
@@ReiStormie If Zoro didn't need that Zou drug that added that side effect I'd say he'd have been fine after the King fight. I think that's when it kicked in.
Also, we have too keep in mind that Marco was holding off King and Queen and making King bleed from his mouth with flame on, meanwhile he was healing hundreds of people, which was draining his stamina. That stamina that was used up for healing was probably draining away energy for his speed, AP to be be lesser than what it could be. I think Marco is stronger then Exoskeleton awakened Diable Jambe Sanji, but weaker than Ifrit Jambe Sanji.
I’m not gonna lie I think think Sanji perception blitzing queen is blown way out of proportion people think he can do this to every one queen was literally able to break down what he was doing quite easily and I think any really fast character can do this it’s just not the best way to go about fighting cause of the stamina drain I had Sanji win king before this but your right Marco regen is busted and I actually didn’t know he drew blood from king while fighting both commanders at once I think if Marco had more feats in one v one he is above king but kings feats are blatantly just better oda didn’t really let Marco go crazy like I taught he would
I just saw the title and wanted to say Sanji's only as fast as they want him to look, the guy was getting plucked out of the air by Queen, a gigantic no speed feats shown dinosaur/ cyborg, headbutt in the stomach aswell. If he was even remotely as fast as people claim him to be he shouldn't be getting caught off guard let along getting touched. Not to mention Sanji's meant to be the some what observation specialist right?
Oda doing oda stuff again. Like Zoro struggling against a seraphim while Sanji casually hurting and fighting one despite Zoro personally knowing the seraphim's strenght and weaknesses, Apoo knocking out Luffy and slashing Zoro even if he was no near their level or Luffy not being able to rebounce in gear 5 against Kizaru despite the fact that he was able to do that against kaido the first time (Kaido who did way more damages to the gear 5 than Kizaru). Also Queen, like any other commander level characters, is super fast. His speed is not his forte, sure, but he's probably faster than any of the tobbiroppos (also being able to catch Sanji is a feat for Queen's speed, not an antifeat for Sanji) or even Jack... Remember that Doffy had a lot of trouble following Boundman's speed while Cracker was able to easily follow him. And Cracker is known for his defense, not his speed, also he' significantly weaker than Queen overall, he ain't doing shit against base awakened Sanji if even an hybrid ancient zoan commander sword strike wasn't able to do any damages to the cook.
Really agree with you. I have Sanji and Marco right next to each other on my list. But I have Sanji over Marco, because Sanji will just keep growing, meanwhile Marco isn't going to get any stronger.
Marco slams mid-high diff🤷 Since he's stated to be equal to the admirals during MF But since Kizaru wasn't trying And Akainu and Aokiji were somewhat restricted since he couldn't use his full DC Also some people like to say that statement is false since Akainu morphed his body faster than Marco could attack but that was because Marco was angry and wasn't thinking straight And even if that feat is true all that means is that Marcos attack speed is slower than Akainus moment speed And he also blocked kaidos blast breath while someone like G5 Luffy couldn't tank it And like you said he clashed with big meme Also the reason Marco lost to king and queen was because he was holding back since he wanted Zoro and Sanji to be the ones to beat them to grow in power and infamy
Ok but sanjis usuing his speed quite casually throughout egghead using it to save Edison I believe and not even alerting zoro that he was there, also sure admirals are strong and all and I’m all here for some admiral living but those attacks where simply pre time skip attacks without haki most of which were just mere projectiles so they were never going to do that much damage anyway and so I’d say the endurance of the two in these terms would be pretty comparable, both have regen and would struggle to land usefully attacks on each other due to defences but from what we’ve seen Marco is most likely to tire first losing him the fight
Also 12:06 when it comes to speed scaling. Attack distance matters A LOT. We have no Idea from what distance Queen react to Marco. Not Saying Marco is faster than Sanji's super speed but it might not be as far as people think.
I dont think flame mode king is faster or as fast as sanji. Also if you consider the fact Queen was capable of withstanding marco attacks even while offguard it makes sanji offensive power seem more impressive than him. While sanji might have a stamina problem I dont think its fair to use wano to demonstrate as much, since he was already shown heavily fatigued even before he used his super speed and ifrit jambe. Also him weezing against S-shark is most likely him simply catching his breath from screaming his head off in the previous panel.
Marco was stated to be stronger than the admirals so he should be stronger than Sanji However one piece portrays and shows Sanji to be stronger so take that how you will
Marco cant damage Sanji. Marco seems to have less stamina than Sanji, Marco took less hits than Sanji overall. Sanji has Greater Speed, Ap, and Haki. Durability and honestly Endurance. Marco won't last as long as Sanji and Sanji will hit him significantly more even in Base. I can't believe Marco can really damage Sanji enough to tire him or knock him out before Marco runs out of Stamina. But they are relative.
U have fair points Marco would win except he can’t damage sanji since s shark duraneg > Marco shockwave this means sanjis dura > kings who Marco could barely damage plus I know Marco speed > sanji speed no superspeed but sanji observation would be able to react since it’s been implied in outside sources and Sanji without superspeed form maybe slower Marco Marco wouldn’t or would barely be able to damage him and Marco can’t fight for days on end at full power since he couldn’t do that for king and queen unless we’re talking about Marco in younger days where in that case it would be even worse since Rayleigh stopped him with his finger but even if u do think Marco can do lasting damage on sanji it would matter since sanji can also regenerate but w vid
My boy Storm be spitting facts
W take and W vid
W Vid but i think Sanji takes it because of his insane speed prolly blitzing marco before regen and taking him out
Not even Kizaru could do that to Marco. He literally resorted to seastone cuffing at one point just to try neutralizing him. Marco could also speedblitz both King & Queen, his speed, agility & mobility is no joke & def more than enough to handle Sanji.
@@handsmcgee8331ya not to mention that even after the sea prison stone hand cuffs man had 3 holes straight threw him but still ran around taking down vice admirals with sea prison stone hand cuffs on
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Nice video, liked the editing and I agree with the take.
Great Video! So many Sanji-tards try & say that cos he beat a yc2 that makes him now stronger than every other yc1 including Marco, King ect 😂
Thank you to make this video. You should do
Kid vs Yamato
Katakuri vs King
Jinbe vs Killer
Although I disagree with some of them, this is a much fair analysis of Marco vs Sanji compare to many videos and comments. Very good job.
Pretty good breakdown, I like how you brought up all points. Lotta ppl tend to ignore or misinterpret Marco’s feats/portrayal in the story, while on the other hand gas up characters like Sanji & Zoro. Sanji is one of my personal favourite characters but the amount of times I’ve seen others trying to put him passed almost all first commanders is just ridiculous. He still gotta do more to prove such a claim, he has yet to face someone on that lvl like Zoro has for example. His best feat is still takin out yc2 Queen who isn’t really near those other first commanders, so respectfully Sanji gotta do more than that before ppl start jumping the gun scaling him that high.
I haven't finished the video yet, so i can't fully comment on the video in it's entirity, but i have watched up to the 5:20 mark where you try to argue Queen's relativity to King and Rooftop Zoro by using Zoro's statement about both King and Queen's path will be both difficult to the Rooftop. You used that statement to frame an arugment as to why Sanji pre & post Exo-skeleton is relative to Rooftop Zoro via his showing against Queen.
That arugment is flawed, incorrect and have just morphed into the modern day; "Kaku and Jabra's doriki are close, hence Zoro and Sanji are close." narrative arugment which completely ignores later shown feats or the current perspective of the characters.
Firstly, there's a distinction in strength b/w beginning of the raid Zoro vs after chapter 1001 Zoro. Zoro has been nerfing himself via his output of Haki, particularly through Enma, up until chapter 1001 when his cut base Kaido with his Onigiri alongside Killer, where Kaido praised BOTH of their attacks as being effective. That lays the foundation that Zoro's AP is relative to Killer's. After noticing that he didn't do much damage to base Kaido, Zoro said that he has to "unleash Enma a bit more", that's a colloquali term for flowing more ACOA into his swords.
After making this change to his Acoa output is when "Rooftop Zoro" actually came alive and the difference in AP/defense was greatly noticeable.
Following him flowing more of his COA, Zoro then deflected Kaido's wind slash with Enma, the same slash that cut Kiku's Ryuo-infused sword. Killer needed to create force by spinning his punishers to deflect the attack while Zoro just...slap it away...
Zoro then performed Dragon blaze and given Kaido's and Big Mom's reactions and the narrative around Kaido's not dogding any attack until that point, it's logical consistency to assume that it scales above Law's gamma knife, Luffy's ACOA kong gun/rifle, etc.
Zoro then overpowered Kaido's Tatsumaki and cut Kaido's scales, something that Killer can't do, hence his creation of Sonic sycthe, and he reacted to it in shock along Big Mom.
The difference in power that Zoro gained from just releasing additional COA via Enma and his additional swords rise his AP/defense from being comparable to Killer's to completely outclassing his supernova compatriots until Asura/ACOC.
So no, the Zoro that says that King and Queen's path won't be easy is NOT the same Zoro that fought on the Rooftop and performed his feats, which stemmed from his needing extra power to deal with Kaido's mythical dragon scales which is completely stronger than Queen's Ancient dinosaur scales and robotics.
Secondly, Oda hardly makes distinction in strength b/w characters in similar groups when they're been spoken about. The government reported that Luffy defeated two sweet commander without mentioning that Katakuri is stronger than Cracker, random fodders on Onigashima thinks Big Mom is the same strength as Kaido as antagonistics while their feats and narrative [Kaido thinking only Joyboy can defeat him] speaks to the contrary are just a few examples.
King and Queen are no different.
No one throughout the story has witnessed Queen's nor King's full strength more than us the audience; Marco didn't fought King nor Queen at full strength neither did Greenbull, so to use the lack of distinction b/w their strength is nonsensical.
King has greater AP, speed, defense, Hax and Haki (as he can flow his Coa into his sword) than Queen, and additional, fought a stronger opponent in establishing those feats.
With that all being said, would Zoro not chose to take the path of Queen if he had the luxury of us the audience to know the capabilities of both King and Queen?
Similarly, would the fodder on Onigashima thinks Kaido and Big mom are equal if he knows about the vast combative advantages that Kaido has over Big Mom (future sight, flaming drum bagua, greater control over ACOC etc.?)
Obviously not.
Queen's path would be way easier than King.
the way I took the statement was Zoro saying I would have to use a moderate amount of power to beat either of them. Essentially Zoro is saying I can't just low diff either of them, which I don't think is a crazy take considering how he looked against King after being on the roof. Ashura or Conquerors Zoro being different to what I was talking about if that makes sense. Relativity is a spectrum so it shouldn't be a big problem to say that imo. Thanks for watching
@@ReiStormie If Zoro didn't need that Zou drug that added that side effect I'd say he'd have been fine after the King fight. I think that's when it kicked in.
@@ReiStormie I'm going have to disagree sanji high to extreme diff marco regeneration is the only problem for exo sanji.
Also, we have too keep in mind that Marco was holding off King and Queen and making King bleed from his mouth with flame on, meanwhile he was healing hundreds of people, which was draining his stamina. That stamina that was used up for healing was probably draining away energy for his speed, AP to be be lesser than what it could be. I think Marco is stronger then Exoskeleton awakened Diable Jambe Sanji, but weaker than Ifrit Jambe Sanji.
I’m not gonna lie I think think Sanji perception blitzing queen is blown way out of proportion people think he can do this to every one queen was literally able to break down what he was doing quite easily and I think any really fast character can do this it’s just not the best way to go about fighting cause of the stamina drain I had Sanji win king before this but your right Marco regen is busted and I actually didn’t know he drew blood from king while fighting both commanders at once I think if Marco had more feats in one v one he is above king but kings feats are blatantly just better oda didn’t really let Marco go crazy like I taught he would
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W but I think sanji should win
I just saw the title and wanted to say Sanji's only as fast as they want him to look, the guy was getting plucked out of the air by Queen, a gigantic no speed feats shown dinosaur/ cyborg, headbutt in the stomach aswell. If he was even remotely as fast as people claim him to be he shouldn't be getting caught off guard let along getting touched. Not to mention Sanji's meant to be the some what observation specialist right?
Oda doing oda stuff again. Like Zoro struggling against a seraphim while Sanji casually hurting and fighting one despite Zoro personally knowing the seraphim's strenght and weaknesses, Apoo knocking out Luffy and slashing Zoro even if he was no near their level or Luffy not being able to rebounce in gear 5 against Kizaru despite the fact that he was able to do that against kaido the first time (Kaido who did way more damages to the gear 5 than Kizaru).
Also Queen, like any other commander level characters, is super fast. His speed is not his forte, sure, but he's probably faster than any of the tobbiroppos (also being able to catch Sanji is a feat for Queen's speed, not an antifeat for Sanji) or even Jack...
Remember that Doffy had a lot of trouble following Boundman's speed while Cracker was able to easily follow him. And Cracker is known for his defense, not his speed, also he' significantly weaker than Queen overall, he ain't doing shit against base awakened Sanji if even an hybrid ancient zoan commander sword strike wasn't able to do any damages to the cook.
Really agree with you. I have Sanji and Marco right next to each other on my list. But I have Sanji over Marco, because Sanji will just keep growing, meanwhile Marco isn't going to get any stronger.
Marco slams mid-high diff🤷
Since he's stated to be equal to the admirals during MF
But since Kizaru wasn't trying
And Akainu and Aokiji were somewhat restricted since he couldn't use his full DC
Also some people like to say that statement is false since Akainu morphed his body faster than Marco could attack but that was because Marco was angry and wasn't thinking straight
And even if that feat is true all that means is that Marcos attack speed is slower than Akainus moment speed
And he also blocked kaidos blast breath while someone like G5 Luffy couldn't tank it
And like you said he clashed with big meme
Also the reason Marco lost to king and queen was because he was holding back since he wanted Zoro and Sanji to be the ones to beat them to grow in power and infamy
Also I wrote this comment before I watched this video so you already mentioned most of my points 😂
Ok but sanjis usuing his speed quite casually throughout egghead using it to save Edison I believe and not even alerting zoro that he was there, also sure admirals are strong and all and I’m all here for some admiral living but those attacks where simply pre time skip attacks without haki most of which were just mere projectiles so they were never going to do that much damage anyway and so I’d say the endurance of the two in these terms would be pretty comparable, both have regen and would struggle to land usefully attacks on each other due to defences but from what we’ve seen Marco is most likely to tire first losing him the fight
Also 12:06 when it comes to speed scaling. Attack distance matters A LOT. We have no Idea from what distance Queen react to Marco.
Not Saying Marco is faster than Sanji's super speed but it might not be as far as people think.
In the anime we did see the distance and yea it was from far away
It ain’t a Sanji video if Zoro name isn’t mentioned
I dont think flame mode king is faster or as fast as sanji. Also if you consider the fact Queen was capable of withstanding marco attacks even while offguard it makes sanji offensive power seem more impressive than him. While sanji might have a stamina problem I dont think its fair to use wano to demonstrate as much, since he was already shown heavily fatigued even before he used his super speed and ifrit jambe. Also him weezing against S-shark is most likely him simply catching his breath from screaming his head off in the previous panel.
Marco was stated to be stronger than the admirals so he should be stronger than Sanji However one piece portrays and shows Sanji to be stronger so take that how you will
Bro can you tell me. Where it was stated?
I wanna know about which sbs/databook wanks Marco to admiral tier
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Marco cant damage Sanji.
Marco seems to have less stamina than Sanji, Marco took less hits than Sanji overall.
Sanji has Greater Speed, Ap, and Haki. Durability and honestly Endurance. Marco won't last as long as Sanji and Sanji will hit him significantly more even in Base. I can't believe Marco can really damage Sanji enough to tire him or knock him out before Marco runs out of Stamina. But they are relative.
alot of king and queen fight was off screen and sanji needs invisible speed or ifite to overwhelm Marco and he cant do that consistently
Marco can damage sanji but he'll just regenerate
Match Starts, Sanji disappears
U have fair points Marco would win except he can’t damage sanji since s shark duraneg > Marco shockwave this means sanjis dura > kings who Marco could barely damage plus I know Marco speed > sanji speed no superspeed but sanji observation would be able to react since it’s been implied in outside sources and Sanji without superspeed form maybe slower Marco Marco wouldn’t or would barely be able to damage him and Marco can’t fight for days on end at full power since he couldn’t do that for king and queen unless we’re talking about Marco in younger days where in that case it would be even worse since Rayleigh stopped him with his finger but even if u do think Marco can do lasting damage on sanji it would matter since sanji can also regenerate but w vid
Marrco gets knocked out