"We don't think it's worth owning, but for a beginner or most people, it's worth it" this right here folks - if someone says your bike isn't worth it because something is better, just ask yourself "am I enjoying it/does it make me happy" if you can say yes, then hello, my two wheeled friend, ride on and ride safe!
@@ericrolland9092right, people act like a 300cc or 400cc bike isn't fast but in all reality, they are actually pretty damn fast wether people want to admit it or not
The same applies to cars. A lot of my circle of family/friends know I’m into cars and bikes and know how much I hate SUVs and most modern cars which focus too much in iPad style entertainment and not enough on driver input like cars from ‘yester-year’. Thing is they always seem to seek my approval when looking to get a new car to which point I always say…listen just because I don’t like it, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t meet what you want/need/like. I happily advise on features to look out for and what the acronyms mean etc..but then remind them it’s their cash, they’re the ones buying it and will be using it on a daily basis…so my opinion counts for sh*t …..you should see their faces 😂…but it’s true. Why copy /live someone else’s dream 🤷♂️
as someone who has been thinking about moving up from my beginner bike to either a naked or an ADV bike, i can say that this video did not help me decide between the two. i guess ill just have to get both.
I'm between a naked that love the look or a versys 650 that I really like too and are very practical. I also love the XR650l but that's a lot modding and I don't have time to do all of it right now.
I watched the video and Yammie's arguments were weak sauce. Wheelies? Track days? 99.9% of people riding will never or rarely do either. I switched from Sport/Naked bikes to Adv bikes years ago. When you get a little older and knees/ backs and other injuries start rearing their ugly head, Adv start making a ton of sense if you don't want to go the land yacht route on a GoldWing. I still have a naked bike in the garage but, it rarely gets ridden. I've been riding over 50 years and the ADV bikes beats the other bikes hands down. KTM is releasing a 490 ADV at some point in the future, Covid slowed that down but, it'll be a game changer.
@@MrJxKnight if you decide to try ADVs do yourself a favor and ride a Vstrom. It's the versys competition and imo more comfortable. They are pretty comparable in most aspects.
Adding a couple things for Spite's bulletpoints: An ADV bike is better for urban commuting for 2 additional reasons: 1. Suspension travel. With our "crumbling infrastructure" the size of potholes, construction zones, speed bumps, and sunken manholes make potential bent rims a possibility and that long suspension travel more of a need-to-have rather than nice-to-have. 2. Visibility. That taller bike gives you a warhorse-like view of the battlefield which is more beneficial than you realize in heavy traffic. On cruisers and most nekkid bikes you pretty much just see the car in front of you. But on ADVs sitting tall and proud you can see over several cars. The flip side is also true. Being able to pull up along side Kyle or Chad and look them in the eye in their clapped out rolling-coal Dodge Cummins cranking 5FDP means they're more likely to see YOU as well. Basically, urban landscapes ARE the very definition of ADV riding these days.
My 450l is my "toy", my vstrom 650 is my two wheeled car and I love it and don't care what people think. Best memory was throwing the luggage on to run errands and I see a yard sale at a farm. Walked away with a $25 framing nailer, three boxes of nails and it was enough to frame my entire basement for $25. Yay for nerdy ADV luggage capacity!
I plan to move to road-adventure bike from naked, for 3 reasons: 1) Suspension better suits our roads 2) Wind protection (we often have strong wind, very uncomfortable on naked even 40+ mph) 3) More relaxed riding positon, better seat, better road view.
+ no1 can carry a passager for long distance travel. no2 can carry 2 FF helmets in top case for short distance travel. Visiting some place and not carring helmets in hands is a great thing no3 can carry paniers for long distance travel. Almost replace a car. You can actualy travel somwhere with somebody. I agree on suspensions, when you hit a bump you wish you have more suspension travel cons Top heavy, tall seat, harder to manuver from the stop, especialy when having a passager, and im saying that because in this bike you will have a passager. Which i recommand you not to get too big bike for your size, and trust me when stop in middle of traffic with that thing angeled you want to flat both of your feets.
I own a adventure bike have had it since new I bought it in 2019 the Suzuki 650 vstrom I have done over 35000ks so far and absolutely love it I do a fifo job and have to ride 460ks to get to work it’s really comfortable for long distance and I can put all my clothes and luggage I need for work for 2 weeks the v twin motor has enough power to still have fun on and handles really well in the twisties and I do a fair bit of off-road to with obviously not as capable as a full on dirt bike but the vstrom is definitely good enough for what I want to do and just explore some different tracks i feel it’s a jack of all trades kind of bike
7:17 Yammie Noob: "That's why I got a car". That's why we don't listen to that kid. We don't have a car. We have a motorcycle. We need to move stuff on our motorcycle. We don't care about his childish conception of aesthetics. I got my first motorcycle in 1978, a three cylinder two stroke Suzuki GT550. Then another motorcycle, then some cars and now a Suzuki SV650. You can't buy the motorcycle that you need. You buy the closest one and modify it. It's not a naked bike, it's not a an ADV. It's YOUR motorcycle.
I love how you guys can simply “agree to disagree”, exactly how good mates should be - give each other a bit of stick, but respect each other’s opinion either way. I’m with Yammie though - naked bikes rule! Keep it up guys, I’m enjoying the channel. 👍
Riding since 1961. Reserved a BMW 650 single for a ride in Europe in 2002. The previous renter overestimated his ability and the rental agency gave me a free upgrade to a R1150GS. Wow! Bought a DL1000 VStrom in 2003, a Tiger Explorer in 2013, a BMW G310GS in 2018 and a Guzzi V85TT Adv in 2020. You may see a pattern. And I've got a 28" inseam (on a good day). Go figure. And a lot of my rides are multi-week - so luggage space that I can lock is critical. All that being said, I just bought a Triumph Speed 400. 😁
Yam, have your production crew turn on a high pass filter (low cut) on your mics of around 80-100hz and that will control the breath plosives that windscreen isn’t quite getting.
That was Halerious!! Thank u for cutting up the pod cast! It also kinda makes the pod cast a bit more tempting to watch (I don't usually like podcasts)
I love, adventure, bikes, however, also I love the naked bikes, but for the naked bikes for me, the look with the crash guards for the frame, the engine, and the one in the back that you could use to hook up bags easier to it gives the bike an adventure like look, however it will be nice if it could do a little bit of a adventure style riding
This series literally proves the idea of “different strokes for different folks.” I like the way it turned out with nobody ever being completely correct. Ha! This proves a point for us Vulcan S riders too. Got ‘em!!!
Love my Vulcan S. Especially as I mod bits and pieces here and there. But at 6'3 and 230# it does feel small under me. But to that end it's still very peppy and can haul me around at 85 on the highway no issues. It is my commuter. My commute being 35 miles of 2 lane state highway @55mph or interstate @75mph one way.
Adventure bikes are also less of a heat score from police. Slap on panniers and a top rack and you become invisible lol. Naked bikes have a 'hooligan' look that attracts cops.
To each their own, however 1 point I will make is that right now ADV bikes are all the rage and as such are disproportionately overpriced relative to nakeds.
I think it’s important to be honest with yourself. I got an Africa Twin in 2017 with all sorts of plans of taking it off road and really adventure riding with it. 5 years of owning it and it never saw dirt. Ended up trading it in for a cruiser, still wanted a comfy bike but I was much more honest with where I was actually riding it.
If you want one vehicle to rule them all, you probably would want a car. The crappiest car beats the best bike in a shitty rainy day in Vancouver. I'm 6'4" and I do enjoy riding my FZ07, even to work with a back pack. But I imagine on really long rides, the ADV would be a great choice. Honestly both a great. Keep up the great work.
Bikes are big toys, some people don't get it. Unless u r kinda broke and only can afford a 150 as a vehicle. Bikes are expensive toys which is great, but if u want confort is stupid to buy a 20k adv Instead of a 12k car...
@@keithquinn5624 squamish, turn right just before river Bridge, mamquam forest roads go for miles, plus network of shared trails with mountain bikes, off road assn.
i got a tw200 because if the roads are stopped i can just pop off into the pineapple fields and happily pass all the traffic. which ive done, on occasion. its also my daily errand bike because its easy and uses less fuel than my farm truck.
I'm 6'3" and fit great on my 2020 Tiger 1200 (1160 cc, triple). And with 140 hp and 90 torks, quick shifter/blipper, shaft drive, 6 axis IMU, great suspension, and 90/10 tires, I can get my fix of hitting 100 in 2nd listening to that sweet triple sing. Then, when I need to eat miles, I have a great riding position, full wind protection (well, my elbows can get cold), cruise, and accommodations for either panniers or just strapping fry bags on. To say nothing of considering two-up riding. Best part? The new 2022/23 Tiger 1200 is a complete upgrade, losing 50 pounds and gaining 9 horsepower over my 2020, which already scares me.
you can get brand new 250-650cc adv bikes for 4-8k with more usability and features for any comparable cc naked bike..even a brand new rx3 for 4.1k has everything a max spec klr650 does for almost half (ofc it's a 250, but also accessible to shorter people). new price, adv bikes give way more for less with what's available in the USA (not talking amazon/powersport dealer bikes).
Adv is better on all fronts except it feels a bit top heavy until you get used to it. The parking lot example is nonsense though I have no issue making sharp turns at low speed.
I started commuting on a CB500X (430lbs) and moved to an Africa Twin (498lbs) which goes over 130mph. I could go for commuting on a naked bike (MT-09 or CB1000). I actually prefer the tall seat when commuting in the city and i filter with no problem. All ADV are not the size of the BMW GS.
I can't believe Spite didn't also say that it's ADV is far less restrictive in terms of the the surfaces you can ride on - even in the city there can be all sorts of odd terrain. Plus you can take way better sneaky shortcuts. That's the whole reason I got a light ADV.
For me, as a 5'6 woman, most adv bikes I've sat on were not comfortable for me and I didn't feel confident. I can get shorter naked bikes more easily. I do like the looks and function of adv bikes but the height is an issue
I have a car and an mt07 the car gets used about 3 times a month, I joke about having to shop for groceries daily but in truth, I just backpack it and it’s fine, but..I’m not opposed to adv bikes, I rode a v Strom for a bit and was totally happy with it (wasn’t mine) but I wouldn’t have been ashamed to ride it, on the flip side, I rode a cbr900rr back in the day and didn’t even have a car for two years ,rain or shine I was on the bike, would I do a one bike garage with a sport bike again? No ,no i wouldn’t.
For a daily commuting bike...it's the Naked over an ADV bike anyday. But for a long ride with your buddies over a whole day or more, and ADV bike over a naked bike anyday. So if they were going with just daily commute, worldwide people prefer naked bikes over ADV's (just for daily everyday commute)
I go grocery shopping for one person on my naked bike with a backpack and it is very doable. Not comfortable, once hurt my back flinging the backpack on, and it takes a minute to shove things in the bag and you can only get a small amount or small items in the bag as well. But Naked bikes also can be more fuel efficient to a degree. I have a z900rs Cafe now and that fucker only gets 30ish mpg around town so there's that.
Yam, I needed this 2 weeks ago lol. Had my heart set on a multistrada. looked at a few of them and they all seemed to have some problem or another so I ended up with a cb1000r. Extremely happy with my decision coming from a super sport. Will probably be adding a adv to the stable next!
ADV with SuperMoto rollers 🤣 I love my T7, i have called it my "wife bike" but recently got to poke around on a Multistrada Pikes Peak and it felt great, ergonomically speaking. I called it my "mistress bike" 🤣
Fantastic conversation. Tons of good thoughts on both sides. I very much appreciate that the V-Strom was mentioned. People forget that it's the best bike ever created. 😁🤓🤟
wow this video was made for me 😂 my very first bike was the ktm 390 adv and I loved it. perfect bike to learn how to ride on and plenty capable. it did on road and off road good but not great. I traded it in for my current bike a brand new mt 07 and love it! significant increase in HP and street performance. I want to now save up and get a cheap used dirt bike or dual sport. IMO having a dedicated on road bike and dedicated off road bike or atv makes more sense than getting into the ADV game. Just my 2c! obviously depends a lot too on where you live, riding style, etc.
this truly is a why not both situation imo. I've had my Vstrom 650 for a couple years now and I love it. Panniers, heated grips, Corbin heated seat, etc make it the perfect commuter capable of going long distance. It's not fast though and since I'm not getting younger instead of a new zx6r I picked up a z900. I'd say though even after more than doubling the cost of the vstrom with accessories it's still cheaper than the z900 but not by much. After exhaust and sliders and such for the z900 it's probably 1-2k more. If I could only have one though ADV is the best all rounder.
Yam not all adv bikes are top heavy the ktm 890 adv is far from top heavy It can drop into a corner like a sport bike. The ride height is very usable on the 890 standard. I think you should try a 890 standard out.
It's funny because I think this video is Taylor made for me. I just got a 2017 Africa twin and at 6'5. I absolutely love riding that thing because it is so much more comfortable than my 2016 XSR 900. Although after riding it for a week and a half solid and then going back to the Yamaha, I realize how much I missed the speed and just the overall ability to be hooligan on the Yamaha. I put the XSR up for sale but I'm still hoping that no one buys it because I don't want to sell it either.
I have an Africa Twin but want to also get the new 2022 XSR900 lol. I love the AT but would like something smaller, nimbler and more hoiligany around town.
Cargo? Soft luggage. You can shove the mosko moto stuff even on sportbikes in like 10mins. For me ADV vs anything else: Do you wanna play with dirt and trails? Get an ADV. Otherwise, enjoy a bike focused for street on the street :)
Saying that ADV had a high center of gravity and hard to maneuver, it shows you never touched a GS boxer in your life because its the opposite of that.
Makes me kinda sad these guys hate the modern naked bikes to death. I understand their opinions and why they have em but I love their looks! But I guess that’s the thing about looks. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So many people say the Z series and the MT series is ugly but I LOVE THEM! 😂team green btw💚
Hmm. I think if this were a debate, Spite would have won. Yammie was focused on performance of a naked bike while Spite was focused on usability. And for a daily rider I think usability trumps performance ever so much.
Ummm.....commuters want to be able to carry stuff as needed, move at low speeds, stop and start in traffic. Spite was on the right track. What bike would most effectively replace a commuter car? ADV hands down. ADV are far more practical, comfortable, capable in any terrain, and loaded with features. If you are all about image and road performance, then be a 'Bro' and go along with a naked.
While you chat and confuse the way, I share my spit this whole day listen up I'm LEGIT 2 wheels one motor we ride 😎ain't sick. 200 mph club I roll 9/10's I go don't believe come see my rear tire Dat is 🤣🤯🧐💯
I like the klr 650 because it is simple and big enough for a full sized adult. just wish it came in a 750-900 version. want a fairing and bags. what good is a bike if you can't even grab a gallon of milk on the way home? my longest ride so far was 15 1/2 hours to daytona. no way I would want to do that without bags and a fairing or squished up on a sport bike
TL;DR: Spite: ADV bikes can ____. Yam: Wrong. Actually naked does ____ better. Next point... 2 minutes and I was exhausted, says a 40+ year old dad who happens to prefer naked bikes. Are all these like this?
@@izzy031096 definitely a good choice too! I test rode a husky 701 enduro yesterday and i think I'm in love lol. Especially being up at such high altitude
I think this would be a good series if you had a judge/person to convince. They could allocate points on each round and give it a score. Just so it doesn't feel like the whole "I think this" "I disagree" Ok moving on
Naked, for me. ADVs are A compromise and I have little desire to "Off-Road" nor do I wish to have to keep and change A set of tires for better performance every time I do go from street to dirt.
I'm having trouble deciding between a Versys 650 and a Turbo Hayabusa. Please help. More relevantly, even when ADV bikes have reasonably low seat heights, they all have pilions that are too high for a short person to swing a leg over.
I ride a KTM 1190 adventure. Some days I have just my locking tail trunk, some days locking hard side bags, some days a small soft tail bag, some days even a bike rack for hauling my mountain bike. It has tons of performance and piles of practical options. It is the ultimate motorcycle.
I am 5.7 tall and I would love a ADV bike, but they stand to tall and they're thick... I got a SM, stands tall also but is more on the slim side and easier to manage and because it does not weight much it kinda suks on highways
I already have a 2007 hayabusa and am thinking about another bike.. Thinking of an ADV bike or super moto. Don't get me wrong some naked bikes look sweet but just want something alittle more versatile.. Will never get rid of my busa though..
Hate soft bags, no security. I want something with a windshield, low seat height, light weight and helmet sized lockable rear case with sport bike styling. Crazy but I want a rear rack and removable hard case for my Ninja 400.
"We don't think it's worth owning, but for a beginner or most people, it's worth it" this right here folks - if someone says your bike isn't worth it because something is better, just ask yourself "am I enjoying it/does it make me happy" if you can say yes, then hello, my two wheeled friend, ride on and ride safe!
I smile every time I ride my 300🤷♂️
Amen dude, love my 390 Duke to death! I laugh when i see people riding liter bikes to Walmart
@@ericrolland9092right, people act like a 300cc or 400cc bike isn't fast but in all reality, they are actually pretty damn fast wether people want to admit it or not
The same applies to cars. A lot of my circle of family/friends know I’m into cars and bikes and know how much I hate SUVs and most modern cars which focus too much in iPad style entertainment and not enough on driver input like cars from ‘yester-year’. Thing is they always seem to seek my approval when looking to get a new car to which point I always say…listen just because I don’t like it, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t meet what you want/need/like. I happily advise on features to look out for and what the acronyms mean etc..but then remind them it’s their cash, they’re the ones buying it and will be using it on a daily basis…so my opinion counts for sh*t …..you should see their faces 😂…but it’s true. Why copy /live someone else’s dream 🤷♂️
as someone who has been thinking about moving up from my beginner bike to either a naked or an ADV bike, i can say that this video did not help me decide between the two. i guess ill just have to get both.
I feel like this is the inevitable conclusion for anyone who actually likes bikes and riding
I'm between a naked that love the look or a versys 650 that I really like too and are very practical. I also love the XR650l but that's a lot modding and I don't have time to do all of it right now.
I watched the video and Yammie's arguments were weak sauce. Wheelies? Track days? 99.9% of people riding will never or rarely do either. I switched from Sport/Naked bikes to Adv bikes years ago. When you get a little older and knees/ backs and other injuries start rearing their ugly head, Adv start making a ton of sense if you don't want to go the land yacht route on a GoldWing. I still have a naked bike in the garage but, it rarely gets ridden. I've been riding over 50 years and the ADV bikes beats the other bikes hands down. KTM is releasing a 490 ADV at some point in the future, Covid slowed that down but, it'll be a game changer.
@@MrJxKnight if you decide to try ADVs do yourself a favor and ride a Vstrom. It's the versys competition and imo more comfortable. They are pretty comparable in most aspects.
right here with ya bud im thinking cfmoto adventura (please do a video on this bike) and an 890 duke
Adding a couple things for Spite's bulletpoints:
An ADV bike is better for urban commuting for 2 additional reasons:
1. Suspension travel. With our "crumbling infrastructure" the size of potholes, construction zones, speed bumps, and sunken manholes make potential bent rims a possibility and that long suspension travel more of a need-to-have rather than nice-to-have.
2. Visibility. That taller bike gives you a warhorse-like view of the battlefield which is more beneficial than you realize in heavy traffic. On cruisers and most nekkid bikes you pretty much just see the car in front of you. But on ADVs sitting tall and proud you can see over several cars. The flip side is also true. Being able to pull up along side Kyle or Chad and look them in the eye in their clapped out rolling-coal Dodge Cummins cranking 5FDP means they're more likely to see YOU as well.
Basically, urban landscapes ARE the very definition of ADV riding these days.
Roads fall into disrepair, every soccer mom out there needs an SUV or pickup truck, motorcyclists must adapt
Solid arguments there.
My 450l is my "toy", my vstrom 650 is my two wheeled car and I love it and don't care what people think. Best memory was throwing the luggage on to run errands and I see a yard sale at a farm. Walked away with a $25 framing nailer, three boxes of nails and it was enough to frame my entire basement for $25. Yay for nerdy ADV luggage capacity!
I plan to move to road-adventure bike from naked, for 3 reasons:
1) Suspension better suits our roads
2) Wind protection (we often have strong wind, very uncomfortable on naked even 40+ mph)
3) More relaxed riding positon, better seat, better road view.
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no1 can carry a passager for long distance travel.
no2 can carry 2 FF helmets in top case for short distance travel. Visiting some place and not carring helmets in hands is a great thing
no3 can carry paniers for long distance travel. Almost replace a car. You can actualy travel somwhere with somebody.
I agree on suspensions, when you hit a bump you wish you have more suspension travel
cons
Top heavy, tall seat, harder to manuver from the stop, especialy when having a passager, and im saying that because in this bike you will have a passager. Which i recommand you not to get too big bike for your size, and trust me when stop in middle of traffic with that thing angeled you want to flat both of your feets.
More than likely, most people who are deciding between a naked vs adv are probably not too concerned if it can wheelie or can hit 180mph
That was me for both those points 😂
I own a adventure bike have had it since new I bought it in 2019 the Suzuki 650 vstrom I have done over 35000ks so far and absolutely love it I do a fifo job and have to ride 460ks to get to work it’s really comfortable for long distance and I can put all my clothes and luggage I need for work for 2 weeks the v twin motor has enough power to still have fun on and handles really well in the twisties and I do a fair bit of off-road to with obviously not as capable as a full on dirt bike but the vstrom is definitely good enough for what I want to do and just explore some different tracks i feel it’s a jack of all trades kind of bike
7:17 Yammie Noob: "That's why I got a car". That's why we don't listen to that kid. We don't have a car. We have a motorcycle. We need to move stuff on our motorcycle. We don't care about his childish conception of aesthetics. I got my first motorcycle in 1978, a three cylinder two stroke Suzuki GT550. Then another motorcycle, then some cars and now a Suzuki SV650. You can't buy the motorcycle that you need. You buy the closest one and modify it. It's not a naked bike, it's not a an ADV. It's YOUR motorcycle.
I'm with Spite on this one, I'm proof, just have a bike, no car!!
CB500X!! 😃💪❤
Do u still have the cbx how did u find it ?
I love how you guys can simply “agree to disagree”, exactly how good mates should be - give each other a bit of stick, but respect each other’s opinion either way. I’m with Yammie though - naked bikes rule! Keep it up guys, I’m enjoying the channel. 👍
Or try to convince them otherwise, if both of them value truth they’ll discover it together.
In Greece and I believe most Mediterranean countries the most stolen bikes are SportTouring/ADV bikes by FAR.
Riding since 1961. Reserved a BMW 650 single for a ride in Europe in 2002. The previous renter overestimated his ability and the rental agency gave me a free upgrade to a R1150GS. Wow!
Bought a DL1000 VStrom in 2003, a Tiger Explorer in 2013, a BMW G310GS in 2018 and a Guzzi V85TT Adv in 2020.
You may see a pattern. And I've got a 28" inseam (on a good day). Go figure.
And a lot of my rides are multi-week - so luggage space that I can lock is critical.
All that being said, I just bought a Triumph Speed 400. 😁
I travel 70 miles to work each way in new England.. I'm not using no naked bike on the highway at 75 mph threw rain and cold.. hell no.
Maybe you should’ve looked up cruiser vs adventure bike.. why would a constant 70 mile trip even cross your mind for a naked bike lol
Versus 1000 has a i4. Prob not off-road capable but gravel roads are doable so I would say it can be a adv bike
Versys**
I was thinking of the S1000XR.. but the Versys works too 😄
With a naked bike you are still leaning forward. Most ADV's you are upright.
bought an mt10 and it was a game changer. im straight hooked. how dare you say the MT is ugly. its just unique which makes it polarizing.
Yam, have your production crew turn on a high pass filter (low cut) on your mics of around 80-100hz and that will control the breath plosives that windscreen isn’t quite getting.
accurate
That was Halerious!! Thank u for cutting up the pod cast! It also kinda makes the pod cast a bit more tempting to watch (I don't usually like podcasts)
I love my naked bike. I like the lack of wind protection. It gives you a better experience.
I love, adventure, bikes, however, also I love the naked bikes, but for the naked bikes for me, the look with the crash guards for the frame, the engine, and the one in the back that you could use to hook up bags easier to it gives the bike an adventure like look, however it will be nice if it could do a little bit of a adventure style riding
This series literally proves the idea of “different strokes for different folks.” I like the way it turned out with nobody ever being completely correct. Ha! This proves a point for us Vulcan S riders too. Got ‘em!!!
People come in different sizes, and flavors, so why not bikes?
Love my Vulcan S. Especially as I mod bits and pieces here and there. But at 6'3 and 230# it does feel small under me. But to that end it's still very peppy and can haul me around at 85 on the highway no issues. It is my commuter. My commute being 35 miles of 2 lane state highway @55mph or interstate @75mph one way.
Adventure bikes are also less of a heat score from police. Slap on panniers and a top rack and you become invisible lol. Naked bikes have a 'hooligan' look that attracts cops.
To each their own, however 1 point I will make is that right now ADV bikes are all the rage and as such are disproportionately overpriced relative to nakeds.
The big ADV bikes are starting to be like goldwings.
… I like the way the MT line looks.
I think it’s important to be honest with yourself. I got an Africa Twin in 2017 with all sorts of plans of taking it off road and really adventure riding with it. 5 years of owning it and it never saw dirt. Ended up trading it in for a cruiser, still wanted a comfy bike but I was much more honest with where I was actually riding it.
If you want one vehicle to rule them all, you probably would want a car. The crappiest car beats the best bike in a shitty rainy day in Vancouver. I'm 6'4" and I do enjoy riding my FZ07, even to work with a back pack. But I imagine on really long rides, the ADV would be a great choice. Honestly both a great. Keep up the great work.
Bikes are big toys, some people don't get it. Unless u r kinda broke and only can afford a 150 as a vehicle. Bikes are expensive toys which is great, but if u want confort is stupid to buy a 20k adv Instead of a 12k car...
@@alexprendido2023 couldn’t agree with you more.
Living in victoria i concur, would especially not want to ride in the rain in say the middle of richmond lol.
@@keithquinn5624 squamish, turn right just before river Bridge, mamquam forest roads go for miles, plus network of shared trails with mountain bikes, off road assn.
i got a tw200 because if the roads are stopped i can just pop off into the pineapple fields and happily pass all the traffic. which ive done, on occasion. its also my daily errand bike because its easy and uses less fuel than my farm truck.
I don't own one but tw's are awesome!!
Counterpoint: Super Adventure S.
Only the kids like wheelies, bikes are not designed for that... just ride bikes as they were interested..
THANK YOU! I have been trying to decide between the Aprilia Tuono and the Triumph Tiger. This has helped me.
I'm 6'3" and fit great on my 2020 Tiger 1200 (1160 cc, triple). And with 140 hp and 90 torks, quick shifter/blipper, shaft drive, 6 axis IMU, great suspension, and 90/10 tires, I can get my fix of hitting 100 in 2nd listening to that sweet triple sing. Then, when I need to eat miles, I have a great riding position, full wind protection (well, my elbows can get cold), cruise, and accommodations for either panniers or just strapping fry bags on. To say nothing of considering two-up riding. Best part? The new 2022/23 Tiger 1200 is a complete upgrade, losing 50 pounds and gaining 9 horsepower over my 2020, which already scares me.
i always felt if i was taller id be more into advs but at 5"10 theyre kind of unwieldy sometimes
I liked my 19, but hated the heat on the xca
you can get brand new 250-650cc adv bikes for 4-8k with more usability and features for any comparable cc naked bike..even a brand new rx3 for 4.1k has everything a max spec klr650 does for almost half (ofc it's a 250, but also accessible to shorter people). new price, adv bikes give way more for less with what's available in the USA (not talking amazon/powersport dealer bikes).
Adv is better on all fronts except it feels a bit top heavy until you get used to it. The parking lot example is nonsense though I have no issue making sharp turns at low speed.
I started commuting on a CB500X (430lbs) and moved to an Africa Twin (498lbs) which goes over 130mph. I could go for commuting on a naked bike (MT-09 or CB1000). I actually prefer the tall seat when commuting in the city and i filter with no problem. All ADV are not the size of the BMW GS.
If you’re older and taller, there are VERY few naked options you’d want to ride across the state, unfortunately and yes, that pisses me off.
I can't believe Spite didn't also say that it's ADV is far less restrictive in terms of the the surfaces you can ride on - even in the city there can be all sorts of odd terrain. Plus you can take way better sneaky shortcuts. That's the whole reason I got a light ADV.
Having had a S1000R and an R1250 GSA, my GSA was far smoother in parking lots as far as balance went.
For me, as a 5'6 woman, most adv bikes I've sat on were not comfortable for me and I didn't feel confident. I can get shorter naked bikes more easily. I do like the looks and function of adv bikes but the height is an issue
For more leg reach you can buy Daytona m star gtx which gives you 2-2.5 inches in height. Hope that will help you.
My f650cs is super low. Idk what type of bike it is. It's base off the f650gs which is a smaller adv bike
I have a car and an mt07 the car gets used about 3 times a month, I joke about having to shop for groceries daily but in truth, I just backpack it and it’s fine, but..I’m not opposed to adv bikes, I rode a v Strom for a bit and was totally happy with it (wasn’t mine) but I wouldn’t have been ashamed to ride it, on the flip side, I rode a cbr900rr back in the day and didn’t even have a car for two years ,rain or shine I was on the bike, would I do a one bike garage with a sport bike again? No ,no i wouldn’t.
For a daily commuting bike...it's the Naked over an ADV bike anyday. But for a long ride with your buddies over a whole day or more, and ADV bike over a naked bike anyday. So if they were going with just daily commute, worldwide people prefer naked bikes over ADV's (just for daily everyday commute)
Easy solution…own one of each…👍
Jammyboob I got a desert sled because of u. It’s sick. A total Frankenstein of a bike. I ducking love it
This is like comparing an suv or a truck to a sports car, not one is better, just different
I do all my grocery shopping on my ADV bike with hard bags couldn't accomplish this on the naked bike bags you described...without multiple trips...
I go grocery shopping for one person on my naked bike with a backpack and it is very doable. Not comfortable, once hurt my back flinging the backpack on, and it takes a minute to shove things in the bag and you can only get a small amount or small items in the bag as well. But Naked bikes also can be more fuel efficient to a degree. I have a z900rs Cafe now and that fucker only gets 30ish mpg around town so there's that.
After being talked into a Vulcan S with no prior moto knowledge, in my heart I think I wanted an ADV/Naked
Yam, I needed this 2 weeks ago lol. Had my heart set on a multistrada. looked at a few of them and they all seemed to have some problem or another so I ended up with a cb1000r. Extremely happy with my decision coming from a super sport. Will probably be adding a adv to the stable next!
The squid life is the life for me
R/ Calimari race team
Perfect middle ground a scooter plenty of storage light weight and cheap 😂
Personally, I think the MT series is incredible looking. They’re fuckin weird, and that’s why they look awesome
Hey come on now spite I think the new Yamaha mt09’s, 07’s and 10’s are beautiful!
ADV with SuperMoto rollers 🤣
I love my T7, i have called it my "wife bike" but recently got to poke around on a Multistrada Pikes Peak and it felt great, ergonomically speaking. I called it my "mistress bike" 🤣
Yeh but wheelies 😂😂😂😂
If you ride in rain and cold you need wind and weather protection. But who wants to ride an elephant cruiser? Give me a Versys x 400 and I'd be happy.
Fantastic conversation. Tons of good thoughts on both sides. I very much appreciate that the V-Strom was mentioned.
People forget that it's the best bike ever created. 😁🤓🤟
F**k yea!!!
Love how they can represent the comment section of riders
wow this video was made for me 😂 my very first bike was the ktm 390 adv and I loved it. perfect bike to learn how to ride on and plenty capable. it did on road and off road good but not great. I traded it in for my current bike a brand new mt 07 and love it! significant increase in HP and street performance. I want to now save up and get a cheap used dirt bike or dual sport. IMO having a dedicated on road bike and dedicated off road bike or atv makes more sense than getting into the ADV game. Just my 2c! obviously depends a lot too on where you live, riding style, etc.
this truly is a why not both situation imo. I've had my Vstrom 650 for a couple years now and I love it. Panniers, heated grips, Corbin heated seat, etc make it the perfect commuter capable of going long distance. It's not fast though and since I'm not getting younger instead of a new zx6r I picked up a z900. I'd say though even after more than doubling the cost of the vstrom with accessories it's still cheaper than the z900 but not by much. After exhaust and sliders and such for the z900 it's probably 1-2k more. If I could only have one though ADV is the best all rounder.
Yam not all adv bikes are top heavy the ktm 890 adv is far from top heavy It can drop into a corner like a sport bike. The ride height is very usable on the 890 standard. I think you should try a 890 standard out.
It's funny because I think this video is Taylor made for me. I just got a 2017 Africa twin and at 6'5. I absolutely love riding that thing because it is so much more comfortable than my 2016 XSR 900. Although after riding it for a week and a half solid and then going back to the Yamaha, I realize how much I missed the speed and just the overall ability to be hooligan on the Yamaha. I put the XSR up for sale but I'm still hoping that no one buys it because I don't want to sell it either.
I have an Africa Twin but want to also get the new 2022 XSR900 lol. I love the AT but would like something smaller, nimbler and more hoiligany around town.
Cargo? Soft luggage. You can shove the mosko moto stuff even on sportbikes in like 10mins.
For me ADV vs anything else: Do you wanna play with dirt and trails? Get an ADV. Otherwise, enjoy a bike focused for street on the street :)
In Denmark you lose your license if you do a wheelie!
ADV or Naked? Me: Touring!
Spite! You forgot wind protection! Not gonna lie after three long trips on my naked and early morning chilly commutes led me to owning my Adv bike
Two bikes no one is cross shopping. Says the guy with a norden, z900rs and a s1000xr.
Saying that ADV had a high center of gravity and hard to maneuver, it shows you never touched a GS boxer in your life because its the opposite of that.
I don't like it when dad and daddy fight. 😐
🤣
Makes me kinda sad these guys hate the modern naked bikes to death. I understand their opinions and why they have em but I love their looks! But I guess that’s the thing about looks. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So many people say the Z series and the MT series is ugly but I LOVE THEM! 😂team green btw💚
Hmm. I think if this were a debate, Spite would have won. Yammie was focused on performance of a naked bike while Spite was focused on usability.
And for a daily rider I think usability trumps performance ever so much.
Ummm.....commuters want to be able to carry stuff as needed, move at low speeds, stop and start in traffic. Spite was on the right track. What bike would most effectively replace a commuter car? ADV hands down.
ADV are far more practical, comfortable, capable in any terrain, and loaded with features. If you are all about image and road performance, then be a 'Bro' and go along with a naked.
While you chat and confuse the way, I share my spit this whole day listen up I'm LEGIT 2 wheels one motor we ride 😎ain't sick. 200 mph club I roll 9/10's I go don't believe come see my rear tire Dat is 🤣🤯🧐💯
I like the klr 650 because it is simple and big enough for a full sized adult. just wish it came in a 750-900 version.
want a fairing and bags. what good is a bike if you can't even grab a gallon of milk on the way home?
my longest ride so far was 15 1/2 hours to daytona. no way I would want to do that without bags and a fairing or squished up on a sport bike
Here in Brazil ADVs are a lot more likely to be stolen
CRF 300 Rally? The ADV segment is just just a more comfortable, better bike for people who are not afraid of heights
Made the switch to an ADV because where Im at the roads are absolutely terrible
You forgot the weather protection that most adv bikes have - always an advantage compared to a naked
TL;DR:
Spite: ADV bikes can ____.
Yam: Wrong. Actually naked does ____ better. Next point...
2 minutes and I was exhausted, says a 40+ year old dad who happens to prefer naked bikes. Are all these like this?
Yamm I got to call you out, the Yamaha super tenere is a inline 4 engine adventure bike
The S10 is a 1200cc parallel twin, friend.
This is my daily monolog in my head for my next bike 🤣
1 bike garage; if you wanna go off road it's going to have to be an adv bike
Or dual sport if you won’t be doing much highway riding and want more off-road capabilities
@@izzy031096 definitely a good choice too! I test rode a husky 701 enduro yesterday and i think I'm in love lol. Especially being up at such high altitude
I find it humorous that yammie doesn’t think the multistrada V4S is an ADV. then what is it? A sport tourer on stilts?
I think this would be a good series if you had a judge/person to convince. They could allocate points on each round and give it a score. Just so it doesn't feel like the whole
"I think this"
"I disagree"
Ok moving on
My dear Papa Yams! Did you get any sleep last night?! Because you look spent my dude.
MTs are not ugly. They are unique.........
maybe yam just needs to go to the gym to get rid of that top heavy feel for adv bikes.... but i agree with it lol
I've gotten older and I'm torn between the lush comfort of an adv and my desire to still occasionally do stupid shit on a naked.
Naked, for me. ADVs are A compromise and I have little desire to "Off-Road" nor do I wish to have to keep and change A set of tires for better performance every time I do go from street to dirt.
I'm having trouble deciding between a Versys 650 and a Turbo Hayabusa. Please help.
More relevantly, even when ADV bikes have reasonably low seat heights, they all have pilions that are too high for a short person to swing a leg over.
You really need a pair of steel balls to tame Turbo Busa
I ride a KTM 1190 adventure. Some days I have just my locking tail trunk, some days locking hard side bags, some days a small soft tail bag, some days even a bike rack for hauling my mountain bike.
It has tons of performance and piles of practical options. It is the ultimate motorcycle.
You have a bike rack to put a bike on your bike? Man, you really love being on two's
Yamaha Tracer 9GT - best of both worlds?
I don't know who needs to hear this but stop saving all your money. Invest some of it if you want financial freedom..
I am 5.7 tall and I would love a ADV bike, but they stand to tall and they're thick... I got a SM, stands tall also but is more on the slim side and easier to manage and because it does not weight much it kinda suks on highways
Bmw gs750 i believe comes with factory short suspension at like 30.9 i think.
I'm 5'8 and have a 1200GS, at first it seemed tall but now I put it in the middle position or else its too low.
ADV bikes win for commuting. Wheelies suck, so nough said...
bro what is going on im super high, I swear I have seen this before? what is going on? is this a repost? im so confused my brain hurts
Ducati scrambler...... the bike right in the middle of this argument?
I already have a 2007 hayabusa and am thinking about another bike.. Thinking of an ADV bike or super moto. Don't get me wrong some naked bikes look sweet but just want something alittle more versatile.. Will never get rid of my busa though..
There's too many old guys, riding an ADV, dressed up like they just won the Paris-Dakar rally, It is getting ridiculous..
Just you wait.
What about if you're short AF 😅
cruiser
Is that even a real question?
Obviously the answer is a lowered turbo hayabusa
Grom?
Guts
Learn short rider tips on big bikes. You'll be amazed. Like always stopping with 1 leg on back brakes while the other leg for the ground
I feel like ADV guys are also the same guys who don’t care what their girlfriend looks like.😂
As you get older, it’s all about practicality and not looks. For women and bike
No, that would be Harley riders.
Hate soft bags, no security. I want something with a windshield, low seat height, light weight and helmet sized lockable rear case with sport bike styling. Crazy but I want a rear rack and removable hard case for my Ninja 400.
So a sport touring bike?