What happens if Tidus kills the Water Flan in Besaid?
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2021
- I grinded over 100 hours to see what would happen in the dialogue in one of the fixed battles with Lulu, Wakka, and Tidus against a Water Flan in Besaid. Tidus is supposed to hit the flan and not be able to kill it and Lulu comes in to zap it with magic. But what happens if Tidus kills it instead. Join me in my quest for truth.
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/ warrior_of_light1
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Thanks, I'm sure some people will appreciate this
@@AlymereWoL LOL, it took you 100+ hours to create this situation, but the rest of us can't be arsed to sit through 2 minutes of video to see how it turns out.
@@thisisnotdan1 😆
I feel like if the only purpose was to check what would happened, you could probably have used a save file editor to give tidus max strength instead of spending 100 hours grinding.
@@stale2665 yea, but that would be borrrring
Wakka: "Told you only Magic can beat it!"
Tidus: "But it's dead already!"
Wakka: "ONLY... MAGIC... CAN... BEAT... IT!"
Tidus: "Ok..."🙄
I can imagine wakka saying that
Can't interfere, it's a rule.
Clueless aren't you.
Too many blitzballs to the head
Insert Wakka racists zoomin
Lulu: This one here is a water fiend, which means...
Tidus: It evaporated 40 seconds ago.
Thanks, Global Warming?
Bruce Lee: be like him
Victory fanfare lol
Tidus: It means I'm lightning fast.
XDD
"You gotta use magic of the element they don't like!"
I see. He doesn't like Sword Element attacks.
Aaaaah... Wire!
Would be fun if the dialog changed to something like, “You could’ve defeated this easier with elemental differences instead of hours of grinding”.
I bet developers werent expecting someone to do this 😂
@@Hati-Gojira clearly… dang- a little acknowledgment would’ve been nice!
We need a remake
@@blueotter5954 I would love it !
When i was younger, i had a save file for kingdom hearts that was the first or second day on destiny islands. Every time i wanted to play through again, i loaded that save, spent another stupid amount of time leveling, then continued the game saving in another slot.
Why? The first time i replayed the game, i wanted to level up enough (i think it was level 17) in order to see enemies' health bars before i even left the island. It was a lot of hitting waka's ball back at him for techpoints
Wakka:Only magic can beat it !
Tidus: but I just.....
Wakka: you dare go against yevon teachings? !!!
HEethen (heathen in wakka voice)
Jecht: look at em, he's cryin
INFIDEL!….summons dark penance…..game over
@shondarian Lmao
You're not one of them filthy Al Bhed, are you, brudda?
Your contributions to science are deeply appreciated.
Man I love reading comments. Well played
I concur
110 hours of grinding later...
Wakka: "You might make a good guardian someday."
I appreciate your defiance of fixed battles. It speaks to the child that's left in me.
There are more than I realized in the FF series. I am currently working on one in FF 3 and FF XIII-2, but I hope to also do one that is in FF 4 and FF 9
“Told ya!” -Wakka at peak arrogance.
What do you expect from Grand Wizard Wakka?
What arrogance? He knows better than Tidus at that point. That's called confidence.
Okay Escanor lol
Damn near, "Are you fucking sorry" 'd him.
@@DiogoJ1 and yet i've dealt with professionals with zero condescension in their tone.
wakka think he got that big dick energy. yet never won a championship in... how many years was it again? glass houses, yo.
Bro, you sounded truly defeated when you said "And that's it. 110 hours to answer one dumb question." 🤣 You're a champ in my eyes!
@Face ME Not even a cheat code. The PC version has built in boosters. The 'All Items' booster lets you massacre the sphere grid as early as Rikku first opening it up for you on the boat.
No way this took 110 hours
Now imagine the guy that got Cloud and Barret to level 99 at the very beginning of FF VII
@@Walamonga1313 When I got the FF7 demo with Tobal No. 1 I tried to fight till leveling up. When you get to almost level up, the random battles stop and you won't be able to fight anymore. I wanted to see what the level up system was like in 7. Such mystery back then.
Worth it.
"This one here is a water fiend, which means..." ~Victory fanfare!~
"It means we win?"
"this one here is a water fiend, which means..." *victory fanfare*
The average player probably wouldn’t care, but gotta say all of us who have played this game to hell and back and enjoy game design probably appreciate knowing how little things like that are scripted this way. Feels the same as when I found out KO characters would run back onto the field after a summoning ends only to then keel over.
It’s goofy maybe, but actually a smart move against bugging the game out.
I always thought that was funny .. goes back in passes out .. 😅
@@dakotamabry1645 *runs back onto the field* “Hey guys, I’m feeling better now! Or not…” *collapses*
@@dakotamabry1645 Johnny Cage: "This is where you fall down"
Yeah I love that, they get up, run out for a summon, then come in and fall back down after.
@Death Guidance "Average, typical…" It doesn't have to be as a diss. No, the typical player will not keep playing a 20 year old game ad nauseam lol
Lulu: "This one here is water, which means..."
Me: "Means what? MEANS WHAT?!?!"
*"You Are Dead" **_(by Joe Sparks)_** intensifies*
meaning you have to drink it in order to defeat it. Clueless aren't you?
@@kevanliasta9341 | Okay that was good.
@@kevanliasta9341 i thought you boiled it? And made some soup
@@andrewsebree4333 No, just drink them like a chad
It's like in theater when something goes wrong and the director is like: "Continue the script, continue the script."
Tidus: kills flan
Little Kid: "You're a bad man!"
🤣🤣🤣
Old Lady: Stay away from the Water flan!
Tidus sounds like he’s getting gaslit when Wakka starts trying to educate him.
“Watch this!”
Kills flan with sword
“See, I told you that you need magic, of an element it doesn’t like.”
“Magic? Element? (I just killed it with my sword??)”
Element? Ah you mean sword element. And if I need to cast anything I can cast punch
funny enuf youre dialog sounds like allot of sjw today.
Lulu: clueless, aren't you? It's fukin dead.
*Victory fanfare*
Wakka: "Looks like trouble..."
Tidus: "Watch this!"
*One shots Flan.*
Wakka: "OH SHI-"
there's also dialogue if you use the wrong magic on the flan. Lulu is like, "I'm just showing what can happen if you use the wrong magic!"...
but this was cool, thanks for showing this
i had no idea lmao
She actually says "That was a bad example..." and the game lets you try again. I'm not a know-it-all for FFX or anything, I just started another playthrough on PC and experienced that scene, lmfao.
Also, kinda surprised that more people don't know that exists, but then again maybe the majority of gamers aren't like me and don't fat-finger things.
The "I'm just showing you what can happen if you cast the wrong magic", I believe, is her justification when Wakka calls her out on healing it if you cast Water.
Casting Fire/Blizzard gets you the "bad example" dialogue, and if you have Lulu goof around for long enough, Wakka will get annoyed with her and the tutorial ends that way.
I would have loved just a "What the hell!?" from Wakka, then cue victory theme
Not all heroes wear capes, nice job.
Honestly, I was just satisfying my own stupid curiosity.
What makes you think he wasn't wearing a cape?
Def nice job sphere
@@AlymereWoL time well spent I lose focus on the spawn grind after just a few hours and quit. You sit on besaide just in that small area for 100+ hrs this is real commitment. My hats off to you bro. Best game of our generation in my opinion.
These are always their own unique sort of fun journey.
I remember trying to grind Star Ocean 2 to beat Dias at the tournament. No guide, didn't know Dias scaled to my level anyway, didn't know it could be cheesed, also that it just leads to a dialogue that restarts the battle infinitely. I just wanted to level some more.
Then there was general grinding in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Tactics Ogre Knight of Lodis, hoping for any endgame at all. Grinding 2-3 AGI points a battle long after the game has managed to remotely challenge you. Maybe I'll get that full 999 stats one day though.
That’s life in a nutshell: you get the job done against the odds and you’re still not given your due credit because ‘you’re doing it wrong!’
You know what though, some QA probably went into making sure that if, just IF, *somehow* some madman grinded Tidus enough to one shot that Flan, the tutorial would still play and the game wouldn't crash. So, from a certain point of view, that's some solid game design.
They still could have made it so the game wouldn't have crashed
*Tidus kills the flan*
Waka: Well, I WAS going to have Lulu help teach you on how Elements work, but I don't really see that being needed now.
*game continues*
Actually, it's quite solid to assume that, if some madman grinded Tidus enough to one shot that Flan, *he doesn't exactly need to see this tutorial*, so it just can be skipped.
I died of laughter when wakka said "told ya!".
Wakka: Told ya!
Tidus: Get fucked, bro.
Wakka: DAAAAAAMN this pilgrimage gonna be a BREEZE
I really wish that was the hidden dialogue here
lmfaooo
“Psst, you weren’t supposed to kill it!”
“What do you mean?”
“Told ya. Only magic can beat that thing!”
“Wakka I just-
“STICK TO THE SCRIPT”
“MAGIC? ELEMENTS???”
Edit: I love how everyone was thinking the same thing lol
Me waiting 3 minutes to find out the answer: 'Well that was stupid'
WoL: '110 hours for one stupid question'
Doing gods work here
Game: Oh no, you are not skipping this tutorial!
I was kind of hoping that the battle immediately ends and Lulu never joins your party.
😆
Looks like you boys got it from here, bye!
Man, I gave you a Like just because I felt bad that you spent 100+ hours for this. Thanks for being a champ.
As someone who hasn’t played this game in 10 years and just vaguely watches some videos on it for nostalgia occasionally, this was the most hilarious video to pop up in my feed
I never played the game and never watched a FFX video, but yeah it just came up for me too
Tidus to Wakka: Magic? Element?? [its already dead]
Lulu to Wakka: “clueless aren’t you?” [ITS ALREADY DEAD] *continues to educate Tidus on magic since area is safe*
Accidentally did something like this in Bikanel. When you first wake up and fight the giant bird, I had the Avenger sword, Haste and Slow unlocked, the thing was dead before Auron and Lulu even got a chance to appear. They just showed up at the end, Tidus was like, "Yeah! Go team!" Lol
Same
Me to
No idea why this popped up for me, but I'll toss you a like just because 110 hours seems like a lot of work.
There was a modified save game that brings down the stats of all characters, so Lulu can't one shot the flan. When you get here and do the attack and it doesn't kill it, the game just doesn't know how to continue and you are stuck.
is there a cheat that can make your characters stronger earlier on so that you won't have to grind for 100 hours?
@@lyhthegreat there are save game editors, they allow you to modify the character stats. Pump up the stats and you can breeze through the game.
@@ivandimitrov7994 oh, maybe the guy posting the video should had tried that instead..
Bro, I've been playing this game at least once every other year since It came out. I've literally pondered this question every single time this battle comes up. I don't have the patience to grind that long like you though. Thanks for finally solving the question after 20 years lol.
I'm happy to help. I didn't see it on UA-cam and wanted to know and then just shared my results.
@@AlymereWoL Dude you actually had an entire article written about this on TheGamer website
Did you see that? Pretty cool.
@@AlymereWoL thank you for solving this mystery
@@DarkSideBeats yeah pretty cool, i've added the link below
The framework for these scripted events are built in to the battle system, and I believe there are some events like this that *do* happen after all the enemies are defeated, so it allows scenes to play out no matter what, and just checks for a battle clear condition after the dialogue finishes. It’s a pretty smart way of doing it, and pretty much guarantees there would be no way to softlock yourself this way.
i mean, to plan for and write additional dialogue and programming is more work than just forcing only one all time. so its more convenience and arguably laziness than genius
@@12345678abracadabra Sure yeah its laziness, but really theres no point going through the effort of programming a what if, if that what if can only be seen by doing an insane amount of grinding
@@12345678abracadabra That is basically like telling all RPG developers that they need some kind of 110 hour grind sesh, contingency. It isn't laziness to not design something that should never happen, instead you create a stable system with clear and flexible programming to prevent accidental breaks.
I mean they could have let the enemy be at 1 health until lulu shows up or something, I'm sure giving it that property wouldn't have been that hard
funny thing is that it was only implented starting in ps1 and above games. if i remember right off some nes examples the games tend to not have that and cause crashes from it.
When you said 110 hours I lost it and couldn't stop laughing. Four and a half days of your life for this and you know what, it was worth it. Well done my man, well done.
Lulu: *talks on about magic*
Tidus: "Please, stop! It's already dead!"
they made sure no soft locks would happen.
You’re the man DK!! Love your Final Fantasy 12 content.
Your content was some of the first youtube I ever watched and what made me deeply invested in completionist runs
It's so crazy your channel isn't fucking Verified by now dude.
@@CellarDoorx06 What do you mean?
@@Darkkefka he means how your not acknowledge by UA-cam despite your views and subs
Lol 😆 sucks that they didn't think anyone would beat it and add a different dialog
Those were the kinds of questions I used to wonder about in the back of my mind as a kid. Little did I know there would be actual madmen attempting to do it. Great job even if the result is underwhelming. It's all about the friends we made along the way...
Would have been funny if lulu or wakka told him to stop showing off.
Wrong, Tidus fades away and wakes up from his dream lol
Wrong again. The fiend explodes close the camera, causing it to fade out. Seconds pass, and slowly it begins to focus in again. You hear a voice. "Hey you, you're finally awake."
WoL: grinds for 100 hours
Me: hits max stats in FFX save editor
*hacks in all ultimate weaps* yep ....
100 hrs of dedication and focus vs cheap easy and lazy playing. Y did you bother playing in the first place. This game is a classic and deserves to be played right like all FF games you need to grind it because it makes beating it feel so much more rewarding. Do you think that small list of people who have beat every FF game used cheap tricks, cheats or hacks no they earned it and that is an accomplishment you will never get until you learn what it means to grind out these games like there ment to be done.
@@donaldmashburn1039 erm excuse me I've beaten every final fantasy and even platinumed them all legit I only tried this for lols to see what would happen
@@Domino2097 ok. As long as you beat them legit. It makes me so agrovated when I hear people who have to cheat just to beat a game like this. It just removes all fun from the game.
@@donaldmashburn1039 exactly I don't even want to use guides if I'm stuck until I beat a game I'd rather stubbornly hit my head at the game lol
That's dedication right there. My hat goes off to you just for making the attempt.
Bravo, thank you for the time spent! You answered a question I never thought to ask!
The world needs people like you to test the crazy ideas that pop into all of our heads but no one is willing to take the effort to answer.
"This one here is a water fiend, which means..."
Me: uses Water
I did this many years ago... I could have told you nothing changed but, it's awesome to know that people are still doing this.
Lulu: My job here is done
Tidus: But you didn't do anything
Interesting. I wondered that myself, but never tried it. Thank you for doing it!
They could have added a line of dialogue of wakka saying "wow, dude, that's impressive!"
Or they could have forced a fixed damange for that particular attack of Tidus.
I wonder if the same happens with Auron! I'll pass by haha
I know right. It would have made it more worth it.
Square: you just wasted 100 hours, good work!
I had a feeling this would happen, because Final Fantasy games aren't usually made for alternate outcomes (such as winning battles you're supposed to lose). I think my brother used a GameShark/Codebreaker to give the Brotherhood Sword piercing (in the PS2 version) in order to kill the Flan and this happened. It's hilarious that this still happened in the updated version, but at most updates will just clean up glitches.
This is AWESOME!! Thanks for taking your time to show us this 💖
Well I for one am glad I tuned in.
There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.
I couldn't imagine grinding 100 hours for this when the remastered version has the special parameters options 😅🤣
Not all heroes wear capes! Looking at the comments some people apparently said the same thing. We salute you!
thanks for your dedication to make this happen! i didnt know i wanted to know this question but im glad it showed up, and now i know.
I had wondered before but thanks for putting in the work it's awesome to see what changes and what doesn't. I have to admit it gave me a good laugh for sure definitely worth a like and sub well done good sir!
Imagine if the game developer thought someone might defeat the flan (using cheat or sort) without Lulu
Lulu: Tidus, cheating is bad
This feels like dialog Kojima would throw in a Metal Gear game
@@locke103 Psycho Mantis wouldn´t agree...
One of the "Tales" games has this, literally a fake ending after beat an 'unwinnable' battle.
@@peteranon8455 which one?
Done that. The game continues as normal.
Even with Auron's scripted battle where you learn about armored enemies, if you defeat it with Tidus, the battle just ends.
Honestly, with this game being out for 20 years, I thought this would have been widely known
Take a like for the sheer audacity of spending that much time on this question. Some might say your time would be better spent researching a cure for cancer or something. But honestly, these are the answers we need. Keep it up
Very informative, your sacrifice of time is greatly appreciated my good sir!
Absolutely ripped and hulking main character bursts through a door in an early area: "I HAVE FINISHED FARMING . "
Always wondered about the Auron armored fiend one. Never considered you could also do it for this battle as well. Shame nothing interesting happened but thanks for grinding for us all to find out!
110 hours. If you're planning to do more of this, just get the pc version and modify your stats in like 5 minutes.
That's obviously what he did
@@kyrrilcrepeele1353 Yeah, I hope so.
Thx buddy for the work, a question that hunt me for 20 years now is clear !
Happy to help
"This one here is a water fiend, which means... this battle is over." - Lulu
I remember one-shotting the armored thingy on Mihen Highroad with Tidus, Auron said something like “hmph” if I remember correctly 😂
"How did the fucker get this buff? It's not even that long of a long way from Besaid to Lucca"
@@tortoiseknight8438 grind sin spawn on ship to kilika
“110 hours for a dumb question”
Dang, lol. Well, if it’s of any consolation 600k+ of us clicked on the video, so your efforts weren’t all in vain.
I'm unable to comprehend the dedication here. Jesus. You have a gift or a talent or a something else. My lord.
just for that dedication u earned my likes and sub :D i played this game way back and im so fond of its theme background music and great story!
Wow, great work there! I always loved these "what if" scenarios. But if I were you I'd use a Gameshark or something and save myself the horrifying 100 hours of grinding *yikes*!
_(making something up for this)_
Wakka: ...oh. Hey Lu, check this out.
Lulu: I guess you could say he stole my ... thunder.
You guys can probably do better :/
110 hours of work for a really dumb question. My man, you are the MVP. Thank you!
Appreciate the video man! When I saw the title, gotta say I got curious! :)
So they put in a fail safe in case that happens. Smart move, Square.
In case against all odds, you were somehow able to kill it.
What was the fail safe?
@@AlextheSuperfly I just don't know if I'd call it a fail safe. haha. Rather that everything happened precisely as usual.
@@TrevorCurbo The game didn't crash or freeze.
@@MistyKathrine Yeah, the game just didn't acknowledge any change. It proceeded the only way it was designed to proceed. A fail safe would be more of a shift in operations to accommodate an unintended event. Whereas this didn't acknowledge a change at all. So in essence, it kind of did fail. In so much as the scene no longer makes any sense at all contextually. The context didn't fix itself to accommodate the scenario.
I think the dialogue does change if you have lulu do something wrong and tidus/wakka kill it on follow up turns
Someone has to do it and you had the will to, so thank you. Your 100 hours saved thousands of hours spread out over many lives.
Love the dedication! This is awesome.
I will guarantee you this. In the non-remaster and non-international, Tidus *SHUTS* Auron up in his tutorial. I tried it after *GRINDING.*
As someone who, on multiple occasions, spent the time to grind for Blitz Ace on Piranhas, I love this. Thanks for proving I should have made a video! Haha!
Grinding Blitz Ace is easy. Only takes like 3 hours.
This however, this was some dedication.
i hope you do make a video the next time inspiration strikes!
I appreciate the dedication, man. Thanks for the video!
You bet!
Thank you for your work! I love this kind of stuff
Wakka: Wait, the sword can't beat a Water Flan...
Tidus: What did you just see, Lisa?
Wakka: Yes but...
Tidus: What-did-you-just-see
So, whenever people ask me for my top 3 RPGs there's Chrono Cross. One reason why CC is in my top is because they actually coded situations in that game where you actually do something you're not supposed to do at the time (such as defeating your own party when you switch parties with Lynx. It's easier in New Game+ tho). Little attentions to detail like that are amazing, and it's disappointing when they're not applied.
Dude... you deserve a like and comment after devoting over 100 hours of your precious time alive for this. Thanks.
Thanks youtube recommended for giving me a question I never wanted answered, and answering it anyways in the form of showing me this video :p
Guess they're forcing a tutorial explanation
Yep, it's funny cuz it has the death animation and still it continues.
Lulu: clueless aren't you?
Tidus: but, but, but!!! I killed it...
Reminds me of the scripted battle against Kain in FF-IV (from the Final Fantasy Chronicles). It's early game and the dude has 60000 HP. You are NOT supposed to win that battle, and at your (likely) levels at that point he curb-stomps you pretty quickly. So naturally I wondered what would happen if you beat him. Admittedly I used a cheat, but I got my levels up so high I not only weathered his attacks easily, but dished out some pretty good damage. Finally got him down and he "died" and vaporized off the screen, ending the battle. The result? Got nothing for my efforts, and the game proceeds as usual, with the now-defeated Kain towering over Cecil's prostrate body while saying, "Let me ease your suffering." Made no sense and I'm angry they didn't program anything special for that. :(
Ya know, I actually slid something into an FF fan game I'm making for an unwinnable boss early on. it takes literally hacking into the game to get rid of a trait that makes the boss literally unkillable, but if you manage to kill him there, it completely breaks the plot of the rest of the game... and so the lead developer just appears, chastises the characters and the player, and then viscerally punts the player back to the main menu as retribution, all while the characters question what the hell is going on.
No one will ever see it, most likely. but it's there. Because I care. :)
some versions of FF2 honestly boot you back to the title screen if you somehow win that unwinnable battle at the start of the game.
Meanwhile, Disgaea gives you non-standard game overs (equivalent to Losing regular boss fights) if you actually beat its unbeatable bosses (it Is supposed to be possible in normal gameplay, mind you, just... Probably not on your first couple of play throughs. Newgame+ and all.)
@@laurencefraser that's... jarring, the way you're explaining it.
Xenoblade has a really good moment like that for NG+ where if you have the True Monado then Shulk will smack mechon with it and do no damage to them, meanwhile the sword is wielded by a god.
UA-cam needs more people like you, subscribed! Thanks for spending 110 hours!
Big up boy this 100 hours farming are worth my subscribe , nicely done
You grinded this area for 100 hours?? That’s absolutely insane. How the hell did you not go crazy by that point?
It's not too difficult, just put on some UA-cam videos or something and grind away day after day. It's rather comforting, once you get into it
@@RecessRescue lol no thx
Spoken as someone who has never played FFXI.
Grinding 110 hours just to kill a water flan? Yeah nah.
All my grinding went towards the battle arena and making weapons . I'd get all the enemies in one area and move on. Pretty much completed every ones grid and maxed out all their stats .. 😳 all of them , every character and it was complete over kill . And with all that I killed penance in 45 minutes.. and a weak of me dying . I don't think I ever want to play ffx again
the power that you have to put this much work into this.... unparalleled
I appreciate the time you put into this!
Ahh, brute force, the strongest magic there is
lol
It didn't do anything different but mad respect for trying that
Props to you for grinding to do this. Currently replaying FF X and X 2 for the first time. So much respect for your goodself right now.