Analysing The Chilling Parallels Between Tidus/Seymour
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Throughout the story of Final Fantasy X, Tidus and Seymour were at odds with each other. Protagonist vs Antagonist, they squared off on numerous occasions on the surface they couldn't have seemed more different. But after exploring a little deeper, it's weird to see how similar their stories were.
There will be spoilers throughout this video, as this is very much a Final Fantasy X story explanation, so we'll be covering plenty of back story from both of the characters and associated characters like Braska, Jyscal Guado, Auron and Jecht.
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You're really going to make me play Final Fantasy X for the 20th time, aren't you??
@@santerisalmivuori3872 same.... goodbye 200 hours of my life.
@@jayunito I welcome the after Bevelle grind. My body is ready
@@santerisalmivuori3872 get that sweet sweet AP!
@@jayunito Overdrive->AP
Triple Overdrive
Triple AP
Overdrive Mode Comrade and off to get killed by Tonberries to Omega Dungeon. AP galore!
I got it on the switch recently, super worth it
So in other words, Auron is best dad
Auron is the ultimate parent, hands down
Honestly, I'm so disappointed, that Tidus didn't see Auron as such, or at least didn't mention it. Auron looked after him for 10 years! I mean come on
@@raven_the_demon if you have played the game you see that Tidus appreciated Auron greatly and as they traveled together more and more he was viewing him as a father figure. Sometimes actions speak much louder than words. I also can understand Tidus sentiment and as to why he didn't called him a father.
@@raven_the_demon shut up
@@greengardens6959 What about Kimahri?
This was very interesting. I knew FFX emphasized the roles of fathers, but I had no idea how important Auron was by preventing Tidus from turning out like Seymour. That's kinda awesome.
Amazingly well written, broadly explored too. If you’re familiar with naruto, who auron is to tidus, is who jiraiya is to naruto (naruto is full of characters/scenarios like this also)
Seymour has one thing that Tidus doesn't
Aurora Borealis in kitchen
...Can he see it?
... no.
Aurora borealis? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your kitchen?
@@jamierose6046 ... Yes.
@@barakul5648 can I see it
you forgot seymour had a strange affliction of having a magnetic draw of being constantly struck in the face by my sword... i would imagine this pained him greatly
I can almost swear I have read this comment before. Either here or reddit
And don't forget slashed by Kilmahri's Spear, stabbed by Rikku's claw, chopped up by Auron's blade, "plushied" by Lulu's dolls, and last but not least, getting turned into a living blitzball target by Wakka. 🤣😂 😎👍
Huh, I always thought that Seymour is a parallel character to Yuna. Never thought that he’s also a parallel to Tidus. I love how people still talk about how well written FFX is to this day. Which is why I regularly argue that FFX is just simply the best written FF game
well hes the antagonist love interest to yuna. i always thought he was a predator
Story wise one of the best games ever
FF6 and FF4 are the best written.
@@LordMalice6d9outside of FFXIV, FFX is best.
@@LordMalice6d9 what about 7? Genuinely curious because X, X-2, and XII are the only ones I’ve played.
The Bevelle Airship Rescue of Yuna the most hype scene in all FF imo. Shit gets me hyped to this day.
Quite a grand entrance for a wedding crasher.
Especially with "Assault" playing in the background!
This is how we all would object to a wedding 😝
I'm glad you put "imo"
@@mightyso9281 stop being such a soyboy, fussing over particulars is lame af
I think a bit more inspection on the life of jecht might be necessary here.
Jeckt was a man renowned for his skill at blitzball.
As he grew older he was getting slower. He tried to increase his own waning confidence by proclaiming his glory and eventually resumed training like a madman.
He was not lying at the time when he said "dont worry my boy. No one else can do it, I'm the best! This is something he not only believed. He HAD to believe it.
This is him.saying you can keep trying but dont let it hurt you if you cant.
You see his failing isnt that he doesnt know how to be a dad. He just isnt a sensitive man. He had an incredibly sensitive child and parenting one requires and unbelievable amount of personal introspection and the ability to wear many masks. A " I do this all for you mentality must be adopted. He failed to apply this to his child but most certainly maintained his career for both ego and to maintain his families way of life.
As he fell to his drinking to ignore his own failings and increasingly difficult time keeping up with those younger than him. He began to fail the emotional needs of both his wife and child.
He became abusive and neglectful but his wife knew this was a new side of him. She watched the man she loved crack and fall apart. He was her rock. Potentially she was already mentally unstable and jecht had the uneviable task of being the only rock for both of them.
We often have a jaded view as children. Of our parents.
Jecht wasnt a failure as a whole. Just a man who only had one path to supporting his family and cracked when that path was becoming less viable.
Ego and drive are innately a good thing as long as they dont rule you. He allowed this to happen. Potentially realizing he was consumed by this he eventually set out to train at sea. A time of self reflection and to better himself.
And this is when he disappeared. Lost in spira he learned about himself and at one point injured an entirely innocent creature. Dropped the drink entirely,reflected and sacrificed himself for others.
What we see is not a bad man. Just a man. One who had to learn through hardships and trials so that he could repent for his failires as he never got the chance to do so for those he loved.
He is a hard, rough, and incredibly prideful man. This can be a recipe for success and failure. We see him achieve both.
I like jecht because he helped me (though infinitely less the situation tidus had) understand alot about my own father. His distance was a desire to see me catch up. His harshness was a way to show me that adversity can be triumphed over. So many more lessons and revelations came from playing this game as a father myself now. Me and my dad have a fantastic relationship and I can certainly chalk that up to both of us coming to underatand one anothers viewpoints far better than we did in the past.
End rant.
Respect
What a delight that was to read
👏👏lost of words. Excellent.
Well said, friend.
you changed my views of him.well done
It makes you wonder about the stories of those who died to defeat sin, especially previous final summons who became the very thing they sought to destroy and destroy the very thing they sought to protect
Makes you wonder how Yevon must feel being a mindless summoning machine after his emergency plan to defeat bevelle only to be intrumentalized as a god/religion by that very same nation he wanted to destroy.
Of yourse he doesn't know of feel anything and that's probably for the better.
Right, the sacrificed guardians must have all been semi-conscious like Jecht was, but all of them just lost themselves with time.
I would be so down to play a prequel. There are endless stories to be told.
Shhhhh. Don't say that or they'll water down and milk the story with dumb spinoffs revolving around characters no one cares about. Wonder is a good thing; don't let them spoil the mystery ;)
I always felt that while the Summoners knew the Final Aeon would kill them, they never knew _why._ I gathered they defeated Sin with their Final Aeon, seemingly thinking they had somehow survived the battle, only to learn the horrible truth, watching Yu Yevon take their Aeon. It promptly kills the Summoner with it so that the truth remains hidden before becoming the next Sin.
“It’s not how you are alike. It’s how you are not.” ~Dumbledore
@Melody Ackerman No, I actually have it correct. I double checked before commenting. Go look it up 😋.
Tidus is the OG maniac pixie dream boy
Manic- maniac would imply insanity instead of energetic.
@@alchemysaga3745 he got to close to err... sins toxins
Stay away from the summoner. 🤣🤣
I ugly laughed too hard at this 💀
He's got so much energy all his skills involve going faster. If they ever had Halloween in Spira he should dress as the Flash... or vice versa.
Final Fantasy X is quite a deep game in terms of the themes and issues in its story. Racism and/or childhood trauma are two of the main root causes of many of the problems that characters face in Final Fantasy X. It also shines a light on religious and political corruption. I originally played this game when it first came out- I was still in school and some of my classmates were also playing it at the same time. One of my friends, after seeing how Wakka's attitude towards the Al Bhed changes, made efforts to hang out with and get to know kids who were from different ethnic backgrounds to himself.
It's immaging how such a variant of sub would need a videogamez to teach it anything of common decency
@@DennisMHenderson Someone needs to teach you how to spell I think.
That is a huge change in person. Im glad this game inspires good in people 😃
I was the same as well (Got 10 the year it came out on Christmas from my dad! He got it when it released and saved it as a present for me on Christmas because he got me FF9 the christmas the previous year when that came out! so he figured "kid liked this final fantasy game I got him for the PS1, and he said his mom got him a PS2, so why not get him this PS2 game that is of the same name!" I mean he even TOLD me to bring my PS2 with me when I visited and I was shocked he got it for me! I was in middle school at the time, and I saw ads for the game, but this is before I started understanding release dates without needing commercials to tell me! So I was surprised he got it for me! He was actually confused about the box art of Tidus in the water though and thought he bought some J-Pop music by accident he told me, hell even his girlfriend who saw the game after I unwrapped it thought the same LOL) and yeah, I only got the full scope of the story when I bought it again on the Switch cause I was JUST getting into the JRPG game at this point! FF7 was what got me curious (because of the US Commercial! I seriously thought it was an action game LOL) and FF9 was the first RPG I BEAT! FF10 I only got as far as "Yuna Wedding" before some asshole stole my game at school (teach me not to loan shit out) and I couldn't get another copy for a long time that I always regreted never beating this game (that and I'll admit when Square started going away from the Open World with their FF series I was kind of bummed, 12 and 7 Remake fixed that for me along with other games that went down the same similar path like "Tales of Berseria" for the Tales of series! As I was playing that one since Symphonia alongside Final Fantasy) and so when the collection came out right as I got my Switch....I waited till a sale to try it again! (Another game I wanted that year came out, so I put FF10 on wait!) And yeah, I remembered that even if the "Corridor" feel of the game annoyed me (I played it back then two months AFTER beating FF9), everything else was exactly as I remembered and loved! (I even did better then before now that I knew how to use the fucking System! Compare the first "Summoner" battle when I played it back then when I got curb stomped, to the me who played again after so many played and beaten JRPG's under my belt by this point!)
And the story was better too as I had alot more stories from books, movies and other RPG & games by this point that I wasn't the Middle school "Virgin" who barely could understand themes and can now appreciation month the stuff I missed because of my immaturity then!
It sounds corny but I absolutely believe it. I feel like a big takeaway from Naruto was to invite the lonely kid, and having been that person I was the first person to make friends from any kid that moved to our school. Never thought about it as something I learned from media, but damn.
Can I please remind everyone -- preforming the Final Summoning would have killed Seymour! Any good PR for the Guado, or acceptance of Seymour, would have been posthumous at best. And Seymour knew this; he spoke to Yunalesca, he knew the truth. That is why he chose to pursue his "Everyone Finds Peace Through Death" plan because he did not see another way to save Spira.
Trying to paint Jyscal as some kind of noble man because he wanted to martyr his son is insane, and Anima is just as bad for going along with it and telling a ten year old boy to kill himself so he can be accepted. Jecht was a terrible person and worse father, but he never wanted his son to die.
Ya know...so was Jecht just a dream of the fayth too then? He must have been. So the whole thing about his relationship with Tidus was all just part the fake illusion dreamt up by the fayth.
@@technomage6736 I know of no clear answer, but I would argue Jecht was a soul from Zanarkend, not a dream. X-2 implies the fayth fashioned Tidus after the only person missing from Dream Zanarkend -- Shuyin. That would mean Jecht was real. But it is vague at best.
@@seprithlicastia463 Someone running another channel who uploaded some lore clips just claimed in the comments that Jecht was also a dream of the fayth. I dunno what he based that statement on, so I'm curious to check further into this.
Excuse me. Anima does not tell a ten year old boy to kill himself. That was Lady Yunalesca's advice spoken to her distraught son. Anima does not speak, so where ya got that convoluted idea, I dunno.
@@missbradicah Seymour's mother literally said "Use me and defeat Sin. Only then will the people accept you."
This is why I love Final Fantasy X because it's deep and complex as humans. When you think you know everything about it you understand that what you know is just a small piece of the iceberg
I kind of hate how the first 4 notes of this video strikes an unbelievably powerful emotional response in me.
Dude same 😢
I feel an overwhelming sense of nostalgia.
Why would you hate that
@@vincevvn Because they're not exactly powerfully positive emotional responses, it's more pangs of sadness. I have a deep love for the game, its the only game I've ever completed more than once (8 times) other than OoT. But every time I load it back up, I do so knowing that this time just like every other time the game's going to leave me a little sad and a little empty.
the feels from the game can all be felt in one hit........from them 4 notes
This make me think of Shuyin from X-2 and how you can easily see a darker Tidus lands in Spira and take a more aggressive path to defeating Sin akin to Seymour.
I'd just finished playing FFX for the very first time, great game 🏅
Did you get anima and the magus sisters?
@@DeathGodRiku oh yes I did, it wasn't easy but I did it 😉
100%?
@@OoToxiToxioO for the game or what?
Can’t go wrong. It’s one of the ones I tend to go back to every so often.
Is it weird I still like Jecht as a character? I saw it like, he lived his life as a mega star and that just inflated his ego, making his parenting skills inept and just treating Tidas like he would a blitzball player. It however was his journey with Auron and Braska that matured him, learning from them both, cut off from his fame, that in the end made him a decent person.
Tidas then went on the same journey as his dad, but unlike Jecht who finally matured and had the potential to be a father at the end of both their journeys, time had already past and Tidas didn't need him anymore.
I appreciated the change Jecht went through, and in the end he embraced his fate of both having to fight his son and be beaten by him, his ego gone and content.
really well spoken!
I believe the magic of this game is just now and later in the future being realized. This was so much more than just a game. The story line, and music was so captivating.
Bruh its still so fucking good
Currently playing it for my 6th time
@@ggnore9524 fuk yea bro
Be me, going to listen to "A Wandering Flame" on UA-cam and a dude in the comments section says that it's low key aurons' theme. Mind blown.
The artwork looks as good today as when it was released.
Your hope ends here... AND YOUR MEANINGLESS EXISTENCE WITH IT!
Overdrive his ass to oblivion! Fuck that fight!
That flashback was rough 🤕
@@LionHeartZell oh my God 😭🤣
I ended his instead.
gave me chills because i read it with his voice in my mind...
Honestly, it’s amazing Tidus turned out so well-adjusted.
Even after playing Final Fantasy 6, FF X still remains my favorite Final Fantasy game.
Seymour also saw Yuna as an easy target for him to take advantage of and to use her for his plan, Yuna doesn’t realize this because she believes being recognized by one of the leaders of Yevon is a great honor. Thanks to her meeting Tidus, Yuna began to question her faith and how Yevon works, and wanted to live and learn new things.
Now I just really wanna know more about the unused characters
Final Fantasy X's story just keeps getting better and better each time passes!
i'd argue Tidus' mom is worse than Jecht as she paid Tidus barely attention at all.
Best FF game. This is the one game that introduced me to the FF whole series.
Agreed.
@Oli Ver Do you have any data to back this up ? just asking cause I have always thought FF VII is way more popular and iconic. “Cloud” is the mosy favourite potagonist in FF world, Zack was ranked 8th voted by Japanese fans.
I still think VI is the best, but IX and X are my absolute favorites
7 has aged badly but it was the biggest leap forward in cutscenes and storytelling. It’s hard to buy into the polygonal gameplay now but at the time it was something else.
@@cloudo3884 iconic and best. Two different things
Wow, you've actually given me a new, deeper appreciation of Seymour as a character.
Started replaying this the other night. Legendary.
I am very eagerly waiting for this to his Gamepass. I havent played through again since I busted out the PS2 about 5 years ago.
But who's kidding, I will end up putting 300hrs into Blitzball and forgetting to finish.
The only bad part of X was the damned Chocobo Catcher.
@@evildeadfan420ify I actually finished the game for the first time a couple of days ago and didnt find it that difficult... I found the lightning dodges way more difficult
@@evildeadfan420ify The Chocobo part isn’t hard. Fighting Dark Aeon people you’re strong make is difficult, plus dodging lighting.
Loved how you learned about the world of Spira through Tidus just made it so much more of a compelling story
Two things that will always stick with me. That killer intro (FF8 intro is pretty spicy as well) and the ending. My god that last scene with Tidus and Yuna and 200+ hours for completion. Such an emotional ride!
I really enjoy this channel for the in-depth looks at characters, world's, and relationships. Very interesting to me. Keep the content coming!
Thank you Zackery, we'll try our best!
Ok, but we need a video on what is up with Seymour's hair.
His hair is fueled by spite and sass.
There's Something About Mary...
I whacked him with my blitz ace too many times.
Yusei Fudo: "That's what I keep asking, yet nobody ever answers! I'm the protagonist of the best Yu-Gi-Oh! Series, damnit!! Can I get a little respect here!?"
I never noticed the parallels between Tidus and Seymour like that. Thank you for pointing them out!
I think of Seymour as the creep who's trying to steal your girlfriend.
There's also a major age difference. Yuna is 17, whilst Seymour is 28. A whole 11 years difference. So that also adds massively to the creep factor.
Auron did once say "Those with power use that power. Maesters have power." which deepens the idea that Seymour was also more than just a creep if you catch my drift. He was using his powers as a Maester to influence and sway Yuna into marrying him. That kiss also during the wedding, at least to me, was not entirely consensual. She didn't lean into it, she didn't look like she even loved him. She looked as if she was about to brace for impact.
Yuna said that she wanted to wed him for the unity and happiness of Spira. Not because she actually cares about him or loved him. And the relationship grew further and further apart the more we--and the group--encountered Seymour. To me, he was using her for his own gain, to become Sin, and continue the cycle of destruction.
He's a monster in every meaning of the word. Endangered lives in Luca by staging that attack, murdered Maester Kinoc and prayed on Yuna's kindness and how she respected people of power in her field.
I'm personally glad Seymour was sent to the Farplane, so he can never hurt another soul again.
@@TheOneGuitarGuy Maximum chump beta detected. The actual creep irl
@@frankviator8315 Theres one particular word that summarizes Seymour but all I'll say is this, he shouldnt be allowed within 500 yards of a school zone.
@@TheOneGuitarGuy The marriage was cringe and their difference in age made it even worse but it's what the people of Spira wanted to see. No one really cared about whether it's what Yuna wanted. You could hear clapping in the background when Seymour kissed Yuna. It's like they're putting on a show to make the people of Spira happy. And I don't think Seymour even loves Yuna. He just wants to use her to become Sin and destroy Spira, thus "saving" it and ending the people's suffering. He's basically adopted the thinking of Yunalesca.
@@caldevens It was another factor at play in how Seymour was able to use her naivete to his advantage. He lied to her saying it would be what's best for Spira, but only truly wanted her for his own gain, to become the next Sin. He groomed her, in a sense.
He promised her a future that wasn't true. He used her child naivete to meet his goals. And the way that he forced himself onto her at the wedding only furthers this, because it didn't seem like she actually loved him, she felt she was only doing what was right for Spira. He knew she was oblivious to his true intentions, and so during the wedding, he forced himself onto her, almost like he wanted to rush things and make her subservient to him and his desires. Y'know. Like a groomer.
Regardless of Spira wanting to see it or not, it doesn't make it much better. He was not only manipulating her, but Spira as well. He made them believe he was a kind-hearted Maester, even though that wasn't true in the slightest. As Auron said, "Those with power use that power. Maesters have power." which was completely correct. He was using his influence as a Maester to make others believe that this is what was right for Spira, to make everyone happy.
The writing in Final Fantasy X is unbelievably interesting in how they didn't shy away from topics of power dynamics, anti-theocratism, parental negligence and how it affects children, abuse of power, and so much more, which is why I like Final Fantasy X. I don't condone any of what I mentioned here in the slightest, but I'm glad it's all talked about.
8:25, you're wrong! it's macarena temple.
Aye!
This video seriously cleared up alot of things I've wondered about the game for years all in one shot. Very well done 😊
Truly fantastic, emotional analysis. You should be very proud of yourself for such an understanding piece!
I should really replay this one again, such an overlooked/underrated installment.
Paused at 9 seconds in and I was already ready to snack myself for not realizing these characters are similar in many ways.....damn it.
This game has such a beautiful soul, developed with love and care.
Brilliant video - nice wrap up of their stories.
Love you guys! Keep up the good work and all the best for 2021
What a great analysis, all the way until the end. I even watch these videos for the plot recap and filling in holes that are in my understanding of this game. I feel like i might go another round playing this game 🤔🤔
Ooooo yesss an FFX video!!!! ❤ thanks for the content guys, love your stuff!
I love FFX, one my of my favorite games of all time and this was really good, I knew their were similarities, but you delved deeper. Well done!
Beautiful videos & really puts things in perspective
They really knocked it out of the park making clear parallels between Seymour and Tidus/Yuna, he's basically what either of them could have become if their circumstances were slightly different.
They are very similar. I think I always knew but didn't want to realize it. This video is quite brilliant. Thank you for posting
X as a whole truly has the best cast/world history of any FF. Whole game was a tour of such a fleshed out world. Also as the first VO FF it was just a whirlwind of immersion on release. It really felt like you were a tourist falling into a world that already existed on its own.
In a age that I thought there wouldn't be FFX videos. This brought a smile to my face man. Thank you guys
I played this in my early teen years and noooone of this stuff landed or stuck. Great video.
This is the first Final Fantasy game I played. I saw someone watching one of the cut scenes and I bought it as soon as I could.
People who never got into this game and say it annoys them because of the clothing styles, you have no idea how deep and complex, and beautifully sad this story is. This is one of my all time favorite FF games, and to this day it can make me cry if I think about it deep enough.
Oh gosh, I never considered, it but it makes sense that people would turn up their noses just because of that. The clothing styles are pretty weird... Although, I think it's neat that the blitzball uniform is vaguely the same across teams. Jecht's is the only human design I 110% love, and I loved it even more when I realized he's wearing the blitzball uniform with the suspenders hanging off him. Fits his personality exactly
Those people don’t deserve to understand the story. They’re judgmental and close minded.
hello i just wanted to say thank you for uploading these videos. il be honest i cant focus very well as im sick and waiting for covid results, but your voice is super calming and has helped me just relax and battle the anxiety.
Hope you're on your way to recovery 💪👍
Seymour is one of my favourite characters in the series
He was indeed, but he wasn't well exploited for an antagonist in my opinion tho...
@@niruapp8559 I agree tbh, that's the only problem I had with FFX, I just wish we got more info on the characters
@@Fairly-odd-kel Exactly...I wish we could see more (pun intended) about Seymour's past with some spheres like they did for Braska's Pilgrimage
But what is up with his hair?!
@@JaredTVW see FFX Rabtoon parody you will know the truth...
Thank you, this may have been my favourite childhood story
Seymours hair always looked like an interpretation of jechts symbol to me, the one tidus has on his clothes and necklace
Y'know I quite literally never made the connection between these two, and I've played these games so many times. It's weird to think about. I was more focused on what an evil bastard seymour is.
that's the problem with a lot of final fantasy gamers when it comes to X, no offense, but I never understood WHY everyone views seymour with such outright vitriol on top of not understand why he is the way he is. If you actually play the game and listen to the storyline objectively, as well as pay attention a detail oriented view, you'll end up realizing that Seymour was grinding on his own from the jump much like Tidus, but tidus always had some support and a beneficial path for his life. Seymour path was full of conditionals that wouldn't serve him at all. As sports star even if you retire, unless blitzball were to become extremely outdated (which is never in this case) he'd be loved for a lifetime or at least humbly respected through generation as he ages.
This isn't a conditional cause people look at sports stars mostly with enduring adoration and respect unless said sport star does something evil. Sports also promotes teamwork even if one is to be the star. Seymour was pushed into a religious leadership at 10 years old, most religious careers are lonely ones where the person is meant to be a direct tool of service and it's more intellectually grueling and spiritually grueling than a sports star. Seymour clearly got disowned as a child and his mother failed him by not rationalizing clearly. her method of redeeming seymour back fired and didn't make sense. Her way of saving him was legit killing herself and not being there for him. notice both the father and seymour mother did not care about his well being? who was going to raise him? the church? Raising yourself in a strict religious environment with pressure of a nation on you on top of abandoment issues is call for disaster.
anyways, his methods were evil and fucked up, but he himself is not the most evil of the series. from a real world anaylsis I'd say seymour had a lot of psychological issues and his emotions were cut off. He never had the capacity nor understanding to value anyone's well being or how his "plans" could falter under outside interventions cause he didn't have gudiance or normal socializing to teach him about society and socializing. you can look at him half the time and tell in his world it's just him and a bunch of old clergy men, outside of the clergy he doesn't have to answer to anyone or heed to anyone. That's sort of a basic thing. He never anticipated love getting in the way cause that wasn't normal to him nor a part of his life, he wasn't exposed to such. The dad's of tidus and seymour get flack but these submissive emotional mothers are the real villians here.
Notice the cast in the game treat him as an evil bastard (yes he is one, but hear me out) instead of trying to unbiased reason with him. Never once does any main cast member or even seymour himself stop to objectively talk to each other to get to the root of these opposing views. Sure, seymour probably couldn't be reasoned with anyways, but it was clear someone needed to give Seymour an intervention instead of just going back & forth with him. He was a great villian but annoying cause of his personality.
@@60wwediva correct me if I'm wrong but they kinda tried to reason with him when he initially betrayed the party in Macalania. Especially Wakka was really hesitant on harming Seymour because he was a man of the church.
Seymour went full killmode however
@@60wwediva Er, that's because Seymour's personality isn't nuanced in itself. Even if you understand why he became the way he is, he's still an unforgivable bastard when you encounter him.
@@OneEyedCloud01 true. But he isnt worse than Kefka.
@@Jester_Jean Thats true. All I can say is Seymour plan wasnt going anywhere no matter what cause Jecht was already sin and I'm sure he wouldn't let Seymour take over although Seymour resided inside of Sin.
This was a great essay!
Idk where it was or how I missed it but I had no idea there was this much backstory to seymour. Nice vid 👍
Backstory is presented when you're on the path to get the Anima aeon
Unless... you completely ignored the story mode or didn't get anima, it is there. If you pay attention to the dialogue closely for what it is, after a while, it becomes apparrent seymour & tidus are alternates of each other but Tidus had more love and support in his life than Seymour.
Yay, more FFX analysis, always my favorite. Tidus has a weird laugh, but at least it's not an evil crazy laugh like Seymour's. Seymour has more parallels with Yuna, both of them being hybrids, but there's quite a few with Tidus too. The best villains are always another version of the hero who made some wrong choices.
true but if seymour had his own auron looking out for him and a group of friends he wouldn't have turned out so bad. like the analysis said, he was pushed into this life at 10 YEARS OLD and his mom practically abandon him telling him it was for the betterment of his reputation. imagine killing yourself as a mom for your kid reputation to be accepted by society instead of raising him as a normal person and finding a different way of life for him. he never stood a chance.
Just finished FFX HD a few days ago, I was surprised how many things I did not notice as a kid. Playing this game after 10 years made me realize what a masterpiece this game is.
I've been saying it since I first went through the game in 2001, FFX has been, is and always will be my favorite single-player FF game.
The flagship of the beginning of stripping them down to compensate for the development struggle of sony's proprietary hardware
This was a great vid. Subscribed!
Nice video. Enjoyed your take on the similarities between the two. 👍
Fantastic! Great analysis
"She was driven by her desires to make the people of spira love her son, using sin as a way of seeking redemption".
That line (taken out of context) is so bizarre!
Its been how many years since this game blew my life away? Fk yea, ready for any video about it.
Really good video final fantasy union super interesting to see how much a villain has in common with a hero
Yaaaay new video. Thank you!
Next time... "Analysing The Chilling Parallels Between Rinoa/Ultimecia".
Chill Parallel with Zidane and Kuja?
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Zidane/Kuja, Cecil/Golbez, Celes/Kefka... those are way too obvious.
@@matthagen67 you forgot Vivi and Quina
OMG YES
More so since the whole Rinoa=Ultimecia theory has been debunked. I know why people thought that but honestly the idea left a bitter taste in my mouth
Could you do a video about the original characters that got scrapped apart from Tidus and Yuna? And awesome video by the way, love this channel 😎
It was less about them being scrapped and more like reworked and overhauled into other characters. For example, Auron was the original main character of the game -- albeit, he was a plumper in the original version of Zanarkand.
@@seprithlicastia463 Source? This the first I've heard of this.
The best protagonist/antagonist duos ALWAYS have basically the same background, but maybe their upbringing was a bit different or they reacted differently to certain trauma and became good or evil as a result.
Kuja and Zidane, for example, were both created to be an angel of death, just Kuja wasn't allowed to mature emotionally as Zidane had done.
Cloud and Sephiroth were both super soldiers living under a delusion of superiority; Cloud pretending to be SOLDIER and Sephiroth mistakenly believing he was Jenova's son. The difference was that when crack came to fracture, Cloud reclaimed himself and Sephiroth lost himself entirely in his delusion.
Finally, F12. While that game didn't really HAVE a main character, Princess Ashe was an appropriate foil for the Emperor. Both royal, both with access to horrifying powers via the Cryst shards, both wanted to rule Dalmasca and both were willing to use force to get there. There's really no one to say that Ashe would have been or was a better leader as the people in Dalmasca didn't seem all that pressed about their annexation. They even applauded their tyrant when he gave one rousing speech.
God that music pulls at my heart every time
I played this game when it came out and remember very little about it. I mostly remember Blitzball. This has rekindled my interest in the game. Great work.
Great job!
I never really thought about how the two were connected. Very neat~!
Yeah same with Shuyin and Tidus wich you will find out about later on in the game but i won´t spoil to much.
The start of this video reminded me of the extremely old videos showcasing early previews of Final Fantasy 9, 10 and 11. I recall Tidus having black hair running in what became the "Calm Lands" section of the game.
I played this as a young teen and one of the many themes it burned into my brain was PTSD from battle. The aftermath of the failed attempt at killing Sin at the beach near Mushroom Rock was so raw, and that young Crusader was completely traumatized with survivor's guilt.
I'll still never say Teedus just because of the voice actor reading it that way. 😅
I likewise pronounce it "tai-duss", officialdom be damned. (1) It emphasizes his connection to water, to the tides (2) it draws a parallel to the tragic Shakespearean hero Titus Andronicus (3) native Japanese speakers mispronounce gaijin words and names all the time (and we mispronounce their words in return), their pronunciation isn't necessarily "right" (4) As author C.J. Cherryh has observed, "a foreign accent, if intelligible, is often considered sexy". I don't see a downside.
@@xheralt couldn't agree more!!!
I understand, especially it being the way to say it as an english speaker. But as a scandinavian, we say "e" as the way english speakers says "i", and the other way around. That is why, as a young girl who spoke some english, I said Teedus - made more sense!
Considering their target audience has always been America, and that they love American words, etc, Tidus is what I will always go with. As in Tidal wave, or Titus, or Titan. Teedus sounds fucking ridiculous.
Same. I'm part of the Tie-dus gang.
This game is truly a masterpiece. I've loved it and have revisited it for years, and most likely will continue to do so until the end of time :)
Can we see you talk about Vaan? I mean there’s also Lann and Reynn which their story is also pretty interesting.
Lann and Reynn had the saddest story if you really pay attention
@@soraxstacy1477 yes they did! I’m wondering if we’ll get a second installment.
@@georgelucas8815 Have you played the definitive version? It really looks like we are going to have a sequel, just dont know when
I also want a video on Machina from Type-0
@@soraxstacy1477 I have and it seems Lann is turning evil which I kinda got a theory on that.
A fascinating analysis.
Children not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
- African proverb
Superb video 👌
I love ffx, I remember reading a magazine article about it before it came out, and being so excited to play it.
The type of content I need at 2 AM
Never thought these parallels... well said.
The chilling parallels between the WoL/Emet Selch
what parallels?
Quite well done sir.
Hol' up... That symbol that Tidus wears around his neck looks a lot like the shape of Seymour's hair...
*Brain.exe has stopped working*
Oh my gooooooddd 🤯🤯🤯
Guffaw: I have connected the dots
Me: You didn't connect shit
Guffaw: I have connected them.
Ps: this was done in good fun. Pls no blast
That is true, but it's jecht's symbol.
@@TheUsualGuy-rj8pj Yeah, that makes sense. But still it's weird. Maybe it's just a stylistic choice but it still has odd implications
@@crystals-r2551 Lol It's definitely one of those things where you initially feel like there's a connection, but there's no actual correlation...
I love the relationships and experiences between the characters in the game. I never considered the similarities between Seymour & Tidus though. This was very enlightening and brilliant on something I'm kicking myself over because it feels like I should have seen it without watching your video lol. I'm going to be binge watching your video for a while now. One of my favorite Final Fantasy games! I have to admit that I haven't played even half of the Final Fantasy games. FF 1-6 were before my time (born in the late 80s) and the first FF game I played was FF8 I believe. Then I played FF7 & FF9. I had easy access to those three since my older brother was a fan and had them among his games. FFX was the first of the franchise that I sought out myself and fell in love with it. Then I played X-2 & 12. FF11 I didn't play because it was online and had no clue how to do that plus we may have had a crap computer anyway. Playing a little of 13 was somehow disappointing, it didn't draw me in for some reason and it felt too slow in pacing to me so I never continued. This combined with my waning interest in RPG gaming discouraged me from continuing with further FF games sadly. The only other franchise in games that isn't horror I still love playing is Legend of Zelda. The Final Fantasy games I did play however, 7-X-2 & 12, I adore!
Currently doing my 3rd play through and it's still my favorite installment
SUCH a good video
It will always be my favorite game of all time. Happy 20th Anniversary, FFX!
They both have weird laughs?
HA HA HA HA HA
You're not wrong :)
"One after another...hum hum hum hum hum"
That bastard...sorry
@@niruapp8559 that’s the exact line I was thinking of 😂
Still this joke? Zzzz. tidus has a normal laugh right after he's playing around. Don't go into comedy ;)
I realized when I was younger I didn’t pay attention to storylines cause I don’t remember any of this 😂
I think you can't really pick all this up the first time, it takes repeat plays.
Art dude... you're making art.
Neat points as usual!
Wow, very interesting. Thank you.