@@addillberry9603that's a cool concept idea you just see an art gallery with all of the old raids and he explains the lore as a tour guide of that area in the tower
The contrast between deep lore and raiding gameplay is surreal to me. It’s like watching a wise old mage suddenly whip out the brass knuckles to reveal he’s a boxing champion too.
I like those types of characters in fiction: a wise, old sage, that’s secretly a powerful badass. In Byf’s case, he can recount the entire history of the Hive, impale a Valus on his Glaive, then continue on his long explanation of how Oryx established his Throneworld to claim his kingship above his siblings as the greatest Monarch the Osmium Dynasty ever knew.
Yeah lol. Then there’s Nezzy himself, talking to the team from his grave like they’re long time bros, at least until final encounter. This is best seen in the walk between 2nd and 3rd encounter IMO.
One of my favorite details of the raid is that in all the encounters, the dark side of the room has no roots and the light side is covered in roots, very near detail
Byf makes it sound like the trees of silver wings are purely light, and is surprised that darkness energy is flowing into it. I was always under the assumption that trees of silver wings were always meant to be spawned by both light and dark together.
They are. The original Tree of Silver Wings was a tree of both Light and Darkness stalemated against each other. The one on Io was initially one of Light but no further Light was added since the Traveller left to fight the Witness. Then Darkness was added to it by the Witness, and they were able to keep adding Darkness until it overtook the Light and the Tree became purely one of Darkness.
The Final Shape in my opinion will be the Tricorn that we all know and love as the very symbol of Destiny. It is truly the perfect combo of both shapes of Light and Dark
Im hoping that The Witness gets the Lich King treatment in their boss fight. Right as we're getting to the final stand, the witness wipes the raid but then all the characters who have been working with darkness(Drifter, Eris, Elsie Bray, and Osiris) all show up and resurrect us with a combination of light and dark. We then finish the raid, having completely gained control over both light and dark.
I’d hate that actually. A huge part about the raids for me is that it’s just me and my fireteam going into some kind of lair and killing a god by ourselves. If some random NPCs were to come in and save us that would ruin the entire raid for me
It's obvious to me that they intended strand to come out with Witch Queen. The spell on the traveler is obviously strand in nature. Apparently they just needed more time to work on it before release. Then they changed the story to accommodate it. It would have made much more sense if we learn strand from our encounter with savathun instead of finding it randomly and then Osiris learning it with us.
@@coolhwhip49but like hes still right thrs a huge chance strand was made for witch queen why would they delay that for 3.0 subclass when 3.0 would honestly fit in ay more with lightfall nah strand wasnt ready so they way ahead of time changed the gameplan because 3.0 sub classes are way easier to do then strand
Banners are important....there's a small difference between the symbols so that makes it a huge difference in its meaning...if they were meant to be the same then they would've made it the same symbol not slightly different symbols
I'm a Titan who has never done the raid and has none of nazarecs weapons and can hear the whispers. But I had sagiras shell equipped, and with what happened to Osiris, that's the only thing I can think of that's tied to the darkness that was on my person.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Yeah but I am mentioning revision zero because it isnt directly clear that its nezarec related while the tomb has nezarec pointed out on it
No I been going over it in my head, I stopped playing during shadow keep mid campaign, came back and have only done strikes, light fall, gambit. I don't have any haven't unlocked those weapons in my collection, the only connected armor is the helmet on my warlock alt, but I haven't played it since I came back. Idk why I heard the actual words, I just know I don't have the weapons.
Do you think that the worm gods are perhaps correlated with the lore book about the winnower and the gardener? Here is a quote: "The day was longer than all of time, and the night was swifter than a glint of light on a falling sugar crystal. Insects buzzed between the flowers, and worms slithered between the roots, feeding on what was and what might be, the first gradient in existence, the first dynamo of life." Just a thought that popped in my mind.
The Ahamkara also feed on that gradient, so there are also some theories that The Worms and The Wyrms might be related to one another. They may not though and they may just inhabit the same niche in a paracausal "ecosystem".
They might be. In that story, the gardener and the winnower played the Game of Life on flowers, but it was heavily hinted that flower in that case meant a world, or a planet. If you then word it like this, "worms slithered between the roots [of flowers]", and think how wormgods were discribed to be dwelling in the deepest part of the ocean on the Fundament, the similarity makes sense. Also makes you question, what should the "insects" stand for. What are they for and do we have something similar in the game?
i fall asleep listening to lore vids & have recently gotten into d2 as a game & the lore. this shit is so relaxing. taking me on a tour of ron, telling me facts and then beating tf outta enemies. I'll sleep good tonight 😴
Is crazy to think I started in D1 as a die hard gamer and now at this very point in D2 I'm 1000% more intrested in the lore vs gameplay! Thanks for ur content Byf!
Will Savathun become an ally? Just seems like we are in a collision course to have eventual Vex Allies (through Asher Mir) and having an understanding with the Lucent Hive (having a common enemy with the possibility of Savathun's Resurrection). Those who are our enemies unite in the Final Shape (Cabal, Eliksni, Vex, and Hive).
I’m kind of new to this game and I’ve been really looking for this exact channel. I’m interested in the lore and the way you deliver it makes it super easy to digest. This is really amazing bro, thankyou for making the game make sense more.
Hey byf I've never been this early to your vids, but I just wanted to let you know that your channel and effort means so much to me. Thank you for your work. I've been through so much in the past couple years, and a lot of it had to do with me carrying the responsibilities that my family needed help with, and for those times, your videos would be in my headphones taking my mind away from it all, guiding me through the stars that I could venture much less than I used to. I hope you see this, because you deserve all praise that comes to you
I hope we get more content like this. I absolutely love Byf’s voice as he narrates the lore and deeper stories of Destiny 2’s universe. It makes the raid’s much more entertaining and lived in.
About the tree, in its original mention both bark AND leaves were described. My personal theory is that both are needed, it grew on contact with the ship. The seed would then be a coalition of both, hence why the growing seed in SoA had a dark aura. I then believe that the light forms the structure, the bark. From there the dark forms the part that allows survival, the leaves. This could even tie into the flower game. The gardener builds the pattern, the winnower allows the hood patterns to thrive. It’s a simple idea, but one that might make sense of the coalescence of both light and dark wherever we find the trees
I still think at some point there are gonna be other “clones” like there are of Nezurec (Tormentors) of both Rhulk and Calus we need to deal with. At least it’d make sense that there would be considering they were all disciples of the Witness.
Byf says some deep and complex lore Gigz: ..sick also the section starting at 2:03:18 , where they’re talking about ghost choosing another person. I have this feeling that eventually Finch will become Osiris’s new ghost.
I'm still only 45 minutes in but really enjoying this video! I know for those who've been playing Destiny from the beginning this raid in terms of difficulty was disappointing- and I understand it also. Root of Nightmares for me was the first raid I got to do from start to finish and had lots of fun, especially the planet encounter, albeit a lil disorientating at times was so cool! (Outside RoN I've done only Riven and the final encounter of deep stone crypt). I really hope the next raids will be up there for the challenge for those who've been playing for so long and didn't get their enjoyment with RoN~ sorry for the lil silly ramble, and again really enjoying this video! It's fun also to hear the perspective of those who are great at this game (unlike myself LOL)
I'm telling you, while Crow is going to and may soon be the Hunter Vanguard, the rezzed Amanda could TOTALLY be Titan Vanguard. I see her as a Titan more than hunter anyway, way she bursts in guns blazing and with a shotgun. But think about it, Amanda being an opposite parallel of Crow would be genius. Him coming from a person that was hated and dealing with the consequences of that, now having gone through what Amanda would be going through, but as someone who was beloved and dealing with the expectations placed on her the other way, would be such a beautiful development and great friendship between the new Amanda who couldn't forget Uldren but now would and Crow. Then, with her relationship to Zavala, she would be the next best choice to succeed him. Since, even before Lance's passing, Zavala's plot was headed to inevitable retirement. With him being tired of being immortal and of all the loss even now weighing on him over and over. Sometime he was going to retire happily or die in battle, and Lance Reddick's passing only ensures that will happen even if they still plan to use his last works for a while. Amanda coming back, having a whole arc opposite Crow's full of irony and feels about not meeting expectations and forming new relationships and moving forward and all that, forming a strong bond with Crow, reforming her bond with Zavala, and then eventually her taking up his seat opposite Crow the new Hunter Vanguard? It would be so amazing, we would be sitting with our new Vanguard just thinking about how back in the day we saw such a deep lore history between the Titan and Hunter Vanguard and such a long journey from their start to now it'd be phenomenal.
who would be our new warlock vanguard then? someone we don't know of? an Elinski guardian? the Possibility of Osiris being forced out of retirement (not likely). Or someone else.
@@spazziron3228 Good question, I do feel like it would be a new character but honestly with Ikora being sort of the junior anyway she could just remain Warlock Vanguard - at least until she actually gets a full story/character development like Zavala. If they went with this and wanted to keep the same theme of one per race it could be an Exo since Amanda and Crow fill the Human and Awoken spots. Maybe next Exo Warlock to show up in the story is someone to watch for.
Love you byf great vid. Didnt onow about citan that such a cool but brutal piece of lore. Just a cool ass light-bearing warlord king. And the banquet thing is insane. I really want a destiny show to explain these lore bits in cinematics. Either a full on show where each season takes place in different times, or even just a shorts series of like 10 minute cinematics showing off these times of lore. Just imagine seeing a warlord citan in full armor sitting at his throne in the winter, and a crowd of hungry come looking to take his food. Fucked up but holy shit destiny lore deserves to be shown off in other ways than lore tabs.
Seen it at least 4 times so far, but Byf has confirmed my long standing suspicion about guardian magnetism. The theory states that in any given point where one guardian and another are heading in opposite directions towards each other their paths will inevitably converge. Collisions unavoidable.
Also btw, on the topic of the connections between the guardians their ghosts and the traveler, and how the light and its powers "flow", there *is* actually a sort of confirmation that the ghosts are a sort of conduit, because if you go through the hydroponics lost sector on neomuna, sometimes you get some dialogues at the end, at one, ghost says something along the lines of how they feel strained using the light, like they try to draw water from a well, and not from a tap, and they also asks that it is because what happened to the traveler, or are they just still sad about her.
About the planets, could the earth like planets be Riis and Torobatl? since the cabal and eliksni look like earth creatures (elephants and spiders) they would need a similar environment to evolve in
@@yamz1156no, that’s Riis-Reborn. The House Salvation’s attempt to rebuild their original homeworld which was Riis. Riis was destroyed by the Darkness in what the Eliksni call “The Whirlwind.”
I was using revision zero just out of enjoyment when I played lightfall and did neomuni, I just like the weapon don’t burn me. But when I first heard nezerac I was like “bruhhhhhhh” didn’t know it was cause of revision
I love that the jump pads are tied to your frame rate. Just ti guarantee the jump each time I have to turn down from 165fps to 55fps just to not get killed while jumping
Season of the deep makes me think we’re going back to titan next season, specifically for the text that comes up at the end of the winter it’s quest talking about a danger to the witness on titan
I wonder if there is a link between the line Savathun's worm said about lying to send the Witness away, and Nezarec being labelled a traitor. I wonder if she convinced the Witness that Nezarec would betray them (being a god of pain and all), allowing her to kill him and take the veil without becoming enemy number one of the Witness.
I just see byf as like a museum tour guide for fellow curious guardians and this is such a lovely video hearing the lore behind every encounter and scrutinizing the environment for all the details you miss watching speedruns or whatever. All raids should be played in two ways just like this; for loot/efficiency and for a slow walkthrough of these crafted environments that tell so much with and without words. You learn so much taking in these creations of Bungie at a slower pace and it was so enlightening to listen to.
Remembering the witness glyph from vow, do we think the key symbol the witness is holding/is tangled in the root, is also some powerful darkness weapon? The upended is in the other hand which is a darkness artifact/weapon of some kind makes me think so. Perhaps because of the symbol always being linked to a wipe mechanic, that artifact is how the witness controls its darkness power? We know the witness is not a being of the darkness so that power isn’t intrinsically theirs.
A point Byf makes that I love is what he says about a post-witness universe. If we really do defeat them who's to not say the remaining Disciples become even more dangerous because there is no longer someone to reign them in anymore? Especially if the Witness has lied to their own followers about their end goal. That would totally change everything. I believe if given enough thought and dedication a post-light and dark saga universe could open up narratives that would not be possible before. Maybe even creating stories that could grow to be even more memorable to what we know now. It is an ecosystem like Byf said and I hope it stays true to that logic as it carries on.
The more and more Nezarec is talked about the more i wonder just how truly powerful the Witness is if Nez can do what he does while dead, is considered a god, and yet is a disciple of the Witness.
@mynameisbyf I doubt you will see this but I was reviewing old d1 exotics and am found this description for the titan exotic the ruin wings In the garden grows a tree of silver wings, the leaves are ruin the bark a disaster, of the seeds we do not speak Maybe it's just me but I feel like there is some kind of connection to the black garden here. We know the black heart wad a failed attempt at the veil but the actual veil we see from asher on one half looks like the tree. Idk maybe this is a reach yours or anyone else's thoughts
I have a suspicion of the mysterious disciple being a ahamkara, and i get we already killed riven but we still don’t have a clear light on if they are truly gone, also with the “O witness” as ive only seen riven speak like that
Hey Byf, or anyone else, do we know the significance of the statue in the room that you run into at 32:43 ? It has a very strong but unique orange color throughout the room, wondering if it's a sign of things to come?
That one I believe not yet, the lighting maybe is related to the pyramid resonance stuff but thats grasping at straws. Statue itself is everywhere darkness related at this point
I don’t think we know anything about the “veiled lady” statues yet, but I assume they will have a big significance to the story. We’ve seen a statue inside the pyramid ships on the Moon and Europa, at the end of the Garden of Salvation raid, and in the Deep Stone Crypt (Clovis Bray names this statue “Clarity Control” and uses it to combine the darkness, or “Clarity” as he calls it, with Vex radiolaria to make one of the ingredients used to create the Exos).
Not to be a aluminum hat wearing fool, but when the two planets align for planetary destruction, it looks very reminiscent of the Veil. Which also looks reminiscent of the tree of silver wings with the light tree part being the branches. Don't know, seems interesting. Love the content!
Byf single-handedly keeps me engaged with Destiny. He does what Bungie doesn’t… Tell us the story in a much more entertaining manner than text lore we have to hope we unlock through gameplay. There is lore a lot of players will never know bc they don’t do specific things in the game. He’s that bridge. Love the dude for that.
didnt we had a peak in the traveler when Red War, it cracked pieces out and can be seen from tower. Looked more like a machine / building structure, maybe its a inward built colony city but everyone died. Now only left the machine functioning on auto that was originally designed to go and terraform planets where the citizens inside can come out and live.
I'm kind of wondering about the Elements of Solar, Arc and Void. Strand and Stasis are explicitly of the Dark, and cannot be manipulated with the Light, as far as we know. Yet Solar, Arc and Void, although assumed to be of the Light can be manipulated by not only through Darkness, such as with the Hive, but also through non-paracasual means - through technology, either by Vex, Cabal or Eliskni. Some obscure lore in Destiny 1 has Ikora mention that the three Elements are sort of intertwined with the Light, but that she's unsure if they are *of* the Light or just already present something we use the Light to manipulate(specifically, she's unsure which came first, but that they are fundamentally linked "like twins who finish each other's sentences). Drifter also notes that Pyramids get the elements twisted up, which leads to the Twisted Energy drop that is described as "altered energy radiated by the Pyramids". So it makes me wonder if perhaps, all this time, we haven't *actually used* a pure Light Elemental sub-class yet. I mean, we've used somewhat Light non-elemental abilities like our barriers and our healing rifts, the Light abilities of Lumina and so forth. But you don't see us growing plants and trees like the Traveller. So I'm starting to think there's something out there. 9 elements: Three of Light, Three of Dark, and Three of the universe itself that's manipulated by both forces.
Byf the reason this key is made of light is because it wasn't IN the pyramid ship, it was shot BY the Traveler to inside the ship. I think this key was a projectile or perhaps the tail end of the massive beam the Traveler shot, and it was intentionally pierced through Nezarec's cocoon.
I think the witness itself holds the final shape as if it has an “ultimate form”, something alternate from what we see. I think it feeds off of its disciples therefore it doesn’t really matter what they think the final shape is. All that matters is loyalty to the witness. In fact, I think the cutscene with calus was the witness threatening him with the “final shape”. My guess is that the energy needed to sustain the final shape is immense therefore it can’t hold onto it for too long. Perhaps the travelers pale heart is the ultimate form of sustenance the witness needs to be able to hold the final shape indefinitely.
This is fantastic! Thanks for sharing. So much to learn. Can the ghost be killed by any weapon? Cayde’s seem to have been killed by a special one, but the guardian almost killed his own ghost when it was possessed after the Calus encounter in LF. I’m confused.
The chaos of how these guys do first boss mechanic is hilarious My team had top callouts be ABC, bottom callouts to be 123 and to read all the triangles left to right. So kinda like: ABC ABC middle 123 123
1:52:01 I've said it before, I'll say it again: the one thing - the _one_ thing - I would love to see after the Light and Darkness Saga concludes is for us to leave the playpen. Reconquering Torobatl. Reseeding Riis. Finding the ruins of the Gift-Mast or the Sindu or the athenaeum worlds.
Night Terror: Heavy Glaive, ranged attack: similar to dark drinker but applys volatility Melee attack: uses heavy ammo for a AOE slam, a direct hit will deal high burst damage. Ammo: 27 max, 18 base 6 ammo for range 3 for melee
Byf talking about two lies and two truths reminded me. If you re-play the alter of reflection now, Savathun has different dialog and tells you what is true.
Im surprised BYF isnt more curious about the similarities between "The Key" and the symbols on the the Radial mast. I feel like they are very similar in design and the radial mast was trying to be used to open the portal on the traveler. If they are really that similar to each other then the theory of this being the "key" to the portal would only make that theory stronger, right?
Season of the deep screams titan to me plus with the info about an adversary of the witness possibily still alive there im assuming we delve into titan to have an encounter with the leviathans. They are know to be of the light rather than dark soo this makes sense to me atleast. And titan i cant imagine anything else that would rival the witness himself or even slow him down. Raulk was able to rip out a rib from one of them means were gonna be protecting it most likely as well.
There is nothing I like more than playing Destiny while listening to BYF.
Byf is what brings me back time and again to Destiny, love the content
exactly what I'm doing rn
Literally watch lore videos while I kick ass 😂
its the destinyception playing destiny watching byff playing destiny.
Me playing dares and getting kicked for inactivity because I stopped to pay attention to the lore
Byfe doing tour guides for every guardian that wants to after the raid has been conquered within the destiny universe is my headcannon now.
Man that would be such a cool npc character. Lor(e)d Byf.
@@addillberry9603that's a cool concept idea you just see an art gallery with all of the old raids and he explains the lore as a tour guide of that area in the tower
@@devynlich00 make it happen Bungie!
The contrast between deep lore and raiding gameplay is surreal to me. It’s like watching a wise old mage suddenly whip out the brass knuckles to reveal he’s a boxing champion too.
LMAO
I like those types of characters in fiction: a wise, old sage, that’s secretly a powerful badass. In Byf’s case, he can recount the entire history of the Hive, impale a Valus on his Glaive, then continue on his long explanation of how Oryx established his Throneworld to claim his kingship above his siblings as the greatest Monarch the Osmium Dynasty ever knew.
Yeah lol. Then there’s Nezzy himself, talking to the team from his grave like they’re long time bros, at least until final encounter. This is best seen in the walk between 2nd and 3rd encounter IMO.
*casually whips out the adept Immortal*
@@garrettviewegh677 😅
One of my favorite details of the raid is that in all the encounters, the dark side of the room has no roots and the light side is covered in roots, very near detail
So thier mixing
Byf makes it sound like the trees of silver wings are purely light, and is surprised that darkness energy is flowing into it. I was always under the assumption that trees of silver wings were always meant to be spawned by both light and dark together.
hence the name "silver"?
They are. The original Tree of Silver Wings was a tree of both Light and Darkness stalemated against each other. The one on Io was initially one of Light but no further Light was added since the Traveller left to fight the Witness. Then Darkness was added to it by the Witness, and they were able to keep adding Darkness until it overtook the Light and the Tree became purely one of Darkness.
The Final Shape in my opinion will be the Tricorn that we all know and love as the very symbol of Destiny. It is truly the perfect combo of both shapes of Light and Dark
Im hoping that The Witness gets the Lich King treatment in their boss fight. Right as we're getting to the final stand, the witness wipes the raid but then all the characters who have been working with darkness(Drifter, Eris, Elsie Bray, and Osiris) all show up and resurrect us with a combination of light and dark. We then finish the raid, having completely gained control over both light and dark.
Goofy idea
Dude that'd be killer. I got goosebumps as I read it.
I’d hate that actually. A huge part about the raids for me is that it’s just me and my fireteam going into some kind of lair and killing a god by ourselves. If some random NPCs were to come in and save us that would ruin the entire raid for me
Fast forward to Guardians evolution to Prismatic.
@@11mph93 it wasn’t far off post TFS. We instead sacrificed ghost and Cayde sacrificed himself.
"No never mind I'm strafing it's fine." Was such a Th3Jez delivery! I love it.
It's obvious to me that they intended strand to come out with Witch Queen. The spell on the traveler is obviously strand in nature. Apparently they just needed more time to work on it before release. Then they changed the story to accommodate it. It would have made much more sense if we learn strand from our encounter with savathun instead of finding it randomly and then Osiris learning it with us.
If I'm not mistaken it was the choice to update all the Light subclasses to 3.0 that pushed Strand back an expansion.
@@coolhwhip49but like hes still right thrs a huge chance strand was made for witch queen why would they delay that for 3.0 subclass when 3.0 would honestly fit in ay more with lightfall nah strand wasnt ready so they way ahead of time changed the gameplan because 3.0 sub classes are way easier to do then strand
Nope! Confirmed not true!
Banners are important....there's a small difference between the symbols so that makes it a huge difference in its meaning...if they were meant to be the same then they would've made it the same symbol not slightly different symbols
Lubrea's Ruin glave also made me hear Nezarec which I thought was super cool
I'm a Titan who has never done the raid and has none of nazarecs weapons and can hear the whispers. But I had sagiras shell equipped, and with what happened to Osiris, that's the only thing I can think of that's tied to the darkness that was on my person.
Did you have revision zero? That one also triggers the voicelines
@@searingdarkness and delicate tomb
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Yeah but I am mentioning revision zero because it isnt directly clear that its nezarec related while the tomb has nezarec pointed out on it
Yeah sagiras shell doesn’t activate the whispers
No I been going over it in my head, I stopped playing during shadow keep mid campaign, came back and have only done strikes, light fall, gambit. I don't have any haven't unlocked those weapons in my collection, the only connected armor is the helmet on my warlock alt, but I haven't played it since I came back. Idk why I heard the actual words, I just know I don't have the weapons.
Do you think that the worm gods are perhaps correlated with the lore book about the winnower and the gardener? Here is a quote: "The day was longer than all of time, and the night was swifter than a glint of light on a falling sugar crystal. Insects buzzed between the flowers, and worms slithered between the roots, feeding on what was and what might be, the first gradient in existence, the first dynamo of life." Just a thought that popped in my mind.
The Ahamkara also feed on that gradient, so there are also some theories that The Worms and The Wyrms might be related to one another.
They may not though and they may just inhabit the same niche in a paracausal "ecosystem".
They might be. In that story, the gardener and the winnower played the Game of Life on flowers, but it was heavily hinted that flower in that case meant a world, or a planet. If you then word it like this, "worms slithered between the roots [of flowers]", and think how wormgods were discribed to be dwelling in the deepest part of the ocean on the Fundament, the similarity makes sense. Also makes you question, what should the "insects" stand for. What are they for and do we have something similar in the game?
@@DavidManserI believe it was heavily implied if not outright said that the Worm gods and Ahamkara were similar beings, but this requires citation
Thank you for this. I honestly love the lore raid walk through as you get to see it all as it plays
This type of raid content is the best🔥
i fall asleep listening to lore vids & have recently gotten into d2 as a game & the lore. this shit is so relaxing. taking me on a tour of ron, telling me facts and then beating tf outta enemies. I'll sleep good tonight 😴
Byf glossing over how the Guardian who came access Nezarec cut his own eyes out. God I want Destiny to lean into Grim Dark elements more.
Is crazy to think I started in D1 as a die hard gamer and now at this very point in D2 I'm 1000% more intrested in the lore vs gameplay! Thanks for ur content Byf!
Will Savathun become an ally? Just seems like we are in a collision course to have eventual Vex Allies (through Asher Mir) and having an understanding with the Lucent Hive (having a common enemy with the possibility of Savathun's Resurrection). Those who are our enemies unite in the Final Shape (Cabal, Eliksni, Vex, and Hive).
What about crow and his fikrul connection?
If she can stop undermining us for 5 minutes, maybe. *glares in Risen*
@@johngancarcik5682
That's true
I'm not sure allies is the right term, considering she killed Nezarec and hid the veil away from the Witness itself
@@Katsuwup necessary partners
Byf: **Explaining deep lore on the Witness and the conflicting views on The Final Shape.**
Lunar: "I'm going to stand on Disco's head during this." :D
I WAS HERE FOR THE LAST WISH RAID. So happy this came back.
I’m kind of new to this game and I’ve been really looking for this exact channel. I’m interested in the lore and the way you deliver it makes it super easy to digest. This is really amazing bro, thankyou for making the game make sense more.
Byf being the tour guide in the raid... Best thing ever.
“Why do we even have that lever?!” Slaps a crocodile away 😂.
Hey byf I've never been this early to your vids, but I just wanted to let you know that your channel and effort means so much to me. Thank you for your work. I've been through so much in the past couple years, and a lot of it had to do with me carrying the responsibilities that my family needed help with, and for those times, your videos would be in my headphones taking my mind away from it all, guiding me through the stars that I could venture much less than I used to. I hope you see this, because you deserve all praise that comes to you
I hope we get more content like this. I absolutely love Byf’s voice as he narrates the lore and deeper stories of Destiny 2’s universe. It makes the raid’s much more entertaining and lived in.
really cool to see a live explanation of the lore :) I aspire to be that lore nerd for my raid group
I missed these raid-alongs, I liked the previous ones and it's so good that all you managed to schedule one, thanks for making this!👍
About the tree, in its original mention both bark AND leaves were described. My personal theory is that both are needed, it grew on contact with the ship. The seed would then be a coalition of both, hence why the growing seed in SoA had a dark aura. I then believe that the light forms the structure, the bark. From there the dark forms the part that allows survival, the leaves.
This could even tie into the flower game. The gardener builds the pattern, the winnower allows the hood patterns to thrive.
It’s a simple idea, but one that might make sense of the coalescence of both light and dark wherever we find the trees
this looks like Byf is taking his mates to a history class trip to the museum. Its so nice~
I still think at some point there are gonna be other “clones” like there are of Nezurec (Tormentors) of both Rhulk and Calus we need to deal with. At least it’d make sense that there would be considering they were all disciples of the Witness.
Yes, but that wouldn’t be possible for Rhulk, because he wiped out all of his species in two seconds
Nezutec is pretty much a paracausal Frankenstein. Lol
@@iballisticbee2285you’re not gonna believe this
BYF is the sole reason I get any interest in playing the game 😅 watching his videos on lore alone and it’s gets amped to play destiny 2
Byf says some deep and complex lore
Gigz: ..sick
also the section starting at 2:03:18 , where they’re talking about ghost choosing another person. I have this feeling that eventually Finch will become Osiris’s new ghost.
I wanted to point out that the sword from shadow keep you get from the moon (nezarecs pyramid is there) is called Night Terror.
I'm still only 45 minutes in but really enjoying this video! I know for those who've been playing Destiny from the beginning this raid in terms of difficulty was disappointing- and I understand it also. Root of Nightmares for me was the first raid I got to do from start to finish and had lots of fun, especially the planet encounter, albeit a lil disorientating at times was so cool! (Outside RoN I've done only Riven and the final encounter of deep stone crypt). I really hope the next raids will be up there for the challenge for those who've been playing for so long and didn't get their enjoyment with RoN~
sorry for the lil silly ramble, and again really enjoying this video! It's fun also to hear the perspective of those who are great at this game (unlike myself LOL)
I'm telling you, while Crow is going to and may soon be the Hunter Vanguard, the rezzed Amanda could TOTALLY be Titan Vanguard. I see her as a Titan more than hunter anyway, way she bursts in guns blazing and with a shotgun.
But think about it, Amanda being an opposite parallel of Crow would be genius. Him coming from a person that was hated and dealing with the consequences of that, now having gone through what Amanda would be going through, but as someone who was beloved and dealing with the expectations placed on her the other way, would be such a beautiful development and great friendship between the new Amanda who couldn't forget Uldren but now would and Crow.
Then, with her relationship to Zavala, she would be the next best choice to succeed him. Since, even before Lance's passing, Zavala's plot was headed to inevitable retirement. With him being tired of being immortal and of all the loss even now weighing on him over and over. Sometime he was going to retire happily or die in battle, and Lance Reddick's passing only ensures that will happen even if they still plan to use his last works for a while.
Amanda coming back, having a whole arc opposite Crow's full of irony and feels about not meeting expectations and forming new relationships and moving forward and all that, forming a strong bond with Crow, reforming her bond with Zavala, and then eventually her taking up his seat opposite Crow the new Hunter Vanguard? It would be so amazing, we would be sitting with our new Vanguard just thinking about how back in the day we saw such a deep lore history between the Titan and Hunter Vanguard and such a long journey from their start to now it'd be phenomenal.
I like this gives me a new perspective
who would be our new warlock vanguard then? someone we don't know of? an Elinski guardian? the Possibility of Osiris being forced out of retirement (not likely). Or someone else.
@@spazziron3228 Good question, I do feel like it would be a new character but honestly with Ikora being sort of the junior anyway she could just remain Warlock Vanguard - at least until she actually gets a full story/character development like Zavala. If they went with this and wanted to keep the same theme of one per race it could be an Exo since Amanda and Crow fill the Human and Awoken spots. Maybe next Exo Warlock to show up in the story is someone to watch for.
These runs are always a treat; pls never stop doing them :)
Byf is the destiny professor and listening to him speak it’s awesome
Really enjoying your long-form content. Making better guardians every time you release a video. Great work to everyone
It’s nice to hear Byf speculate. Wish he did it more in these big strokes
As much as I love your produced content, I think this is the format of content of yours that I love the most ^^
I always appreciate these episodes. My raid only cares about speed not lore.
Lol rushing through planets creates this chaos so it makes it go slower.
I love the music building in intensity during this encounter.
Does he do this for all the raids? I genuinely loved this and he has helped me gain a genuine understanding of Destiny lore
Love you byf great vid. Didnt onow about citan that such a cool but brutal piece of lore. Just a cool ass
light-bearing warlord king. And the banquet thing is insane. I really want a destiny show to explain these lore bits in cinematics. Either a full on show where each season takes place in different times, or even just a shorts series of like 10 minute cinematics showing off these times of lore.
Just imagine seeing a warlord citan in full armor sitting at his throne in the winter, and a crowd of hungry come looking to take his food. Fucked up but holy shit destiny lore deserves to be shown off in other ways than lore tabs.
Seen it at least 4 times so far, but Byf has confirmed my long standing suspicion about guardian magnetism. The theory states that in any given point where one guardian and another are heading in opposite directions towards each other their paths will inevitably converge. Collisions unavoidable.
Look up 'target fixation.' You go where you look and don't realize you're doing it.
@@JBinFL Didn't think that would apply to video games, but makes sense. Motorcycle logic.
@@Roadiedave Exactly!
Also btw, on the topic of the connections between the guardians their ghosts and the traveler, and how the light and its powers "flow", there *is* actually a sort of confirmation that the ghosts are a sort of conduit, because if you go through the hydroponics lost sector on neomuna, sometimes you get some dialogues at the end, at one, ghost says something along the lines of how they feel strained using the light, like they try to draw water from a well, and not from a tap, and they also asks that it is because what happened to the traveler, or are they just still sad about her.
That one guy who asked how asked about there being 9 disciples sounded like Osiris lol. Every time he spoke it caught me by surprise
About the planets, could the earth like planets be Riis and Torobatl? since the cabal and eliksni look like earth creatures (elephants and spiders) they would need a similar environment to evolve in
I respectfully disagree, the cabal are potato’s
Isn’t Riis in Europa?
@@yamz1156no, that’s Riis-Reborn. The House Salvation’s attempt to rebuild their original homeworld which was Riis. Riis was destroyed by the Darkness in what the Eliksni call “The Whirlwind.”
I would LOVE to have my first time doing a Raid be with Byf just lore dumping the whole time
Awesome content Byf. Have a much better understanding of the raid now.
That was awesome!, Thank you all so much.
I was using revision zero just out of enjoyment when I played lightfall and did neomuni, I just like the weapon don’t burn me. But when I first heard nezerac I was like “bruhhhhhhh” didn’t know it was cause of revision
This is pretty cool thank you for creating this.
I love that the jump pads are tied to your frame rate. Just ti guarantee the jump each time I have to turn down from 165fps to 55fps just to not get killed while jumping
iirc, the moon sword you can farm at the lectern of enchantment is called "Night Terror".
Season of the deep makes me think we’re going back to titan next season, specifically for the text that comes up at the end of the winter it’s quest talking about a danger to the witness on titan
I wonder if there is a link between the line Savathun's worm said about lying to send the Witness away, and Nezarec being labelled a traitor. I wonder if she convinced the Witness that Nezarec would betray them (being a god of pain and all), allowing her to kill him and take the veil without becoming enemy number one of the Witness.
I would love to raid with byf and just chill and listen to him talk about the lore of the raid
I really liked this feel. It's like hanging out with you.
Ngl these are always a highlight in an expansion cycle for me!
I just see byf as like a museum tour guide for fellow curious guardians and this is such a lovely video hearing the lore behind every encounter and scrutinizing the environment for all the details you miss watching speedruns or whatever. All raids should be played in two ways just like this; for loot/efficiency and for a slow walkthrough of these crafted environments that tell so much with and without words. You learn so much taking in these creations of Bungie at a slower pace and it was so enlightening to listen to.
Oh lore daddy you do spoil us. Was hoping for one of these for vow aswell.
Big fan of your work. Big shout out to tier 1 big fan of you guys aswell.
Remembering the witness glyph from vow, do we think the key symbol the witness is holding/is tangled in the root, is also some powerful darkness weapon? The upended is in the other hand which is a darkness artifact/weapon of some kind makes me think so. Perhaps because of the symbol always being linked to a wipe mechanic, that artifact is how the witness controls its darkness power? We know the witness is not a being of the darkness so that power isn’t intrinsically theirs.
A point Byf makes that I love is what he says about a post-witness universe. If we really do defeat them who's to not say the remaining Disciples become even more dangerous because there is no longer someone to reign them in anymore? Especially if the Witness has lied to their own followers about their end goal. That would totally change everything.
I believe if given enough thought and dedication a post-light and dark saga universe could open up narratives that would not be possible before. Maybe even creating stories that could grow to be even more memorable to what we know now.
It is an ecosystem like Byf said and I hope it stays true to that logic as it carries on.
Would love to see some TSLAYP on some of these newer raids and dungeons.
Yes podcast length with Byf!
Personally, my favorite bit of BGM from either game has to be Sepicks Redux. That song just slaps on all cylinders and doesn't let up.
Great video. As to whether guardians are the bad guys .. The phrase and bow "tyranny of heaven" comes to mind.
Hey Byf . Is it possible to make a playlist of all your videos in chronological order so i can listen from start to finish ?
The more and more Nezarec is talked about the more i wonder just how truly powerful the Witness is if Nez can do what he does while dead, is considered a god, and yet is a disciple of the Witness.
@mynameisbyf I doubt you will see this but I was reviewing old d1 exotics and am found this description for the titan exotic the ruin wings
In the garden grows a tree of silver wings, the leaves are ruin the bark a disaster, of the seeds we do not speak
Maybe it's just me but I feel like there is some kind of connection to the black garden here. We know the black heart wad a failed attempt at the veil but the actual veil we see from asher on one half looks like the tree. Idk maybe this is a reach yours or anyone else's thoughts
I have a suspicion of the mysterious disciple being a ahamkara, and i get we already killed riven but we still don’t have a clear light on if they are truly gone, also with the “O witness” as ive only seen riven speak like that
Thank you so much for posting this! Love listening to these since the Twitch replayer is iffy at best. >.
Hey Byf, or anyone else, do we know the significance of the statue in the room that you run into at 32:43 ?
It has a very strong but unique orange color throughout the room, wondering if it's a sign of things to come?
that's just clarity control
That one I believe not yet, the lighting maybe is related to the pyramid resonance stuff but thats grasping at straws. Statue itself is everywhere darkness related at this point
I don’t think we know anything about the “veiled lady” statues yet, but I assume they will have a big significance to the story. We’ve seen a statue inside the pyramid ships on the Moon and Europa, at the end of the Garden of Salvation raid, and in the Deep Stone Crypt (Clovis Bray names this statue “Clarity Control” and uses it to combine the darkness, or “Clarity” as he calls it, with Vex radiolaria to make one of the ingredients used to create the Exos).
Not to be a aluminum hat wearing fool, but when the two planets align for planetary destruction, it looks very reminiscent of the Veil. Which also looks reminiscent of the tree of silver wings with the light tree part being the branches. Don't know, seems interesting. Love the content!
Always a pleasure raiding with someone so smart and handsome. Thank you for the educational school trip
Byf single-handedly keeps me engaged with Destiny. He does what Bungie doesn’t… Tell us the story in a much more entertaining manner than text lore we have to hope we unlock through gameplay. There is lore a lot of players will never know bc they don’t do specific things in the game. He’s that bridge. Love the dude for that.
Can't wait for this to come out for the new raid
didnt we had a peak in the traveler when Red War, it cracked pieces out and can be seen from tower.
Looked more like a machine / building structure, maybe its a inward built colony city but everyone died.
Now only left the machine functioning on auto that was originally designed to go and terraform planets where the citizens inside can come out and live.
i know its a little late but i wish Byf do the other raids aside from this one, the last wish and the garden of salvation
I'm kind of wondering about the Elements of Solar, Arc and Void. Strand and Stasis are explicitly of the Dark, and cannot be manipulated with the Light, as far as we know. Yet Solar, Arc and Void, although assumed to be of the Light can be manipulated by not only through Darkness, such as with the Hive, but also through non-paracasual means - through technology, either by Vex, Cabal or Eliskni.
Some obscure lore in Destiny 1 has Ikora mention that the three Elements are sort of intertwined with the Light, but that she's unsure if they are *of* the Light or just already present something we use the Light to manipulate(specifically, she's unsure which came first, but that they are fundamentally linked "like twins who finish each other's sentences). Drifter also notes that Pyramids get the elements twisted up, which leads to the Twisted Energy drop that is described as "altered energy radiated by the Pyramids".
So it makes me wonder if perhaps, all this time, we haven't *actually used* a pure Light Elemental sub-class yet. I mean, we've used somewhat Light non-elemental abilities like our barriers and our healing rifts, the Light abilities of Lumina and so forth. But you don't see us growing plants and trees like the Traveller.
So I'm starting to think there's something out there. 9 elements: Three of Light, Three of Dark, and Three of the universe itself that's manipulated by both forces.
This feels like a museum tour, I love it
Man if they added scythes or like one exotic scythe that drops from Nezarec would be dope
Byf the reason this key is made of light is because it wasn't IN the pyramid ship, it was shot BY the Traveler to inside the ship. I think this key was a projectile or perhaps the tail end of the massive beam the Traveler shot, and it was intentionally pierced through Nezarec's cocoon.
I think the witness itself holds the final shape as if it has an “ultimate form”, something alternate from what we see. I think it feeds off of its disciples therefore it doesn’t really matter what they think the final shape is. All that matters is loyalty to the witness. In fact, I think the cutscene with calus was the witness threatening him with the “final shape”. My guess is that the energy needed to sustain the final shape is immense therefore it can’t hold onto it for too long. Perhaps the travelers pale heart is the ultimate form of sustenance the witness needs to be able to hold the final shape indefinitely.
You know what I hear when you say “Season of the Deep”, a buff/rework to Whisper in the special ammo slot. 😉
i love when people ask lore daddy about lore, its like children growing up
I'm honestly amazed I haven't heard or seen ANYONE mention/talk about how the light nodes sound like the cosmic horse....🤔
Hearing Byf talk about the missing Worm gods after reading the leaked Pastebin...
Oh boy our future as Guardians is going to be an adventure.
This is fantastic! Thanks for sharing. So much to learn.
Can the ghost be killed by any weapon? Cayde’s seem to have been killed by a special one, but the guardian almost killed his own ghost when it was possessed after the Calus encounter in LF. I’m confused.
The chaos of how these guys do first boss mechanic is hilarious
My team had top callouts be ABC, bottom callouts to be 123 and to read all the triangles left to right.
So kinda like:
ABC ABC
middle
123 123
Ngl the fact yall dont mirror your sides is very telling lmfao. To each their own I guess
1:52:01 I've said it before, I'll say it again: the one thing - the _one_ thing - I would love to see after the Light and Darkness Saga concludes is for us to leave the playpen. Reconquering Torobatl. Reseeding Riis. Finding the ruins of the Gift-Mast or the Sindu or the athenaeum worlds.
Night Terror: Heavy Glaive, ranged attack: similar to dark drinker but applys volatility
Melee attack: uses heavy ammo for a AOE slam, a direct hit will deal high burst damage.
Ammo: 27 max, 18 base
6 ammo for range 3 for melee
Byf talking about two lies and two truths reminded me. If you re-play the alter of reflection now, Savathun has different dialog and tells you what is true.
About time this was released
Lore talk inside the raid.....Cool!
Glad these are back
Byf: "probably an hour and a bit long?"
Me: looks at the 2 hour run time "okay"
Im surprised BYF isnt more curious about the similarities between "The Key" and the symbols on the the Radial mast. I feel like they are very similar in design and the radial mast was trying to be used to open the portal on the traveler. If they are really that similar to each other then the theory of this being the "key" to the portal would only make that theory stronger, right?
Season of the deep screams titan to me plus with the info about an adversary of the witness possibily still alive there im assuming we delve into titan to have an encounter with the leviathans. They are know to be of the light rather than dark soo this makes sense to me atleast. And titan i cant imagine anything else that would rival the witness himself or even slow him down. Raulk was able to rip out a rib from one of them means were gonna be protecting it most likely as well.