Thank you for the Video. I was waiting for reviews about 9800X3D before upgrading again from Ryzen 5 7600x. But I saw something very interesting feature this week in a new bios update from Asus motherboard B600 series that have a feature to turn off the Dual CCD into a Single CCD for the 7900X3D and 7950X3D. Would be interesting to see the different now for them! :)
@@ElBurge1 In Asus bios they've called it Turbo game mode added to do that. Ryzen Master is quite good but not totally trusted just in case there a wrongly config because it likes a mirror for normal Bios. That another reason I rather do it in Bios
So what is interesting is that the 8 core with 3d V-cache is released first, as opposed to Zen 4. So it could be that the new implementation of V-cache (maybe on both CCDs) could make the 12 and 16 core even better.
@@madclone84 Did you see it in a review of some tech illiterate that tests CPUs at higher resolutions and doesn't understand the difference between CPU and GPU?
Scored my 7800x3d for just under £300 last month when the price dipped! Took a gamble that the 9800x3D wouldn’t be much of an upgrade, for the price and nailed it. All in on red, baby! 🎉
Leo, Fantastic review there, succinct and enlightening. I miss reading your column in Micromart although I am VERY glad we have you doing your thing here on UA-cam in the 21st century! 🖖👍😊
@@annebokma4637 Just like how AMD came back from an impossible position, Intel can hopefully do it too (they are currently living through AMD's bulldozer phase LOL). Not a fan of Intel, but we need competition because these Ryzen prices have been skyrocketing since they took dominance and just increasing every generation since 3000 series.
I'm delighted to see I'm not alone with this conclusion! Amidst the constant buzz of online comments feeling forcibly up-to-date, that historical perspective gets bulldozed over (pun absolutely intended) oftentimes. Now - unlike the intended Bulldozer wordplay above, I feel that roles are reversed this time around, and that should be a glaring alarm signal to Intel. You could very much compare Meteor Lake to Bulldozer - a radical new approach that didn't quite pan out. In fact so badly that the desktop launch had to be scrapped altogether in favor of a refresh that was pushed so far beyond its limits it ultimately fryed itself. That analogy would make ARL Piledriver, and I'd consider this fitting, the difference being that og Piledriver at least had the redeeming quality of being dirt cheap and having at least the benefit of enabling certain multi-threaded applications that were unheard of at the time. ARL has nothing to offer in that department.
Superb review as always. Love the Pro's and Con's and if I was building a system right now would certainly be looking closely at this CPU. best of its generation, by the look of it!
It's not very expensive it's just not cheap it's the fastest cup Intel sold extreme cups at 1000\1500 so it's not terrible value pcs just cost a lot for top end parts
Great review, and the summary was perfect. So many short-sighted reviewers dismissed the architectural changes to Zen 5 and where it would lead. All eating their words now as predicted.
7800X3D for me, as Leo said. much better deals right now as its older architecture. Not everyone needs to be running the latest hardware all the time. I am happy moving to a 7000 X3D chip
@@TauCu Yeah, I used it in a system I built for a neighbour's kid and was impressed how much cooler it runs than my 5800x3d. That was in late August and he paid 360€. Now, it's selling for 470€, which seems silly.
thank you for your intelligent review without the unnecessary drama. Hardware's Unboxed FLOP video on Zen 5 is indeed silly. Now you are my go-to channel instead of the other drama-merchants.
Hey Leo! Do you think you could do a video sometime on setting the most optimal timings and voltages for 8000 on Zen 5, or at least those which have worked best for you?
17:47 Oh I dunno, 7800X3D was £312 on Amazon UK and stayed around there up to £330 for a good couple of months but...retailers are just bumping it for extra profit.
Would be really useful to see how you set up your DDR5 8000 on X870E boards, especially if you're doing anything other than just choosing an EXPO profile.
It’s impressive to see a 120W TDP delivering this level of gaming performance. This could redefine efficiency standards, especially for high-end builds where cooling headroom is limited.
It's interesting to me that in your benchmarks the 9900x looks a lot better than in some others I've seen somehow. From this video, for productivity focus + gaming, the 9900x seems like a great chip, but I've recently felt like it's not. Anyway, thanks for this amazing video!
I dont know why people are saying Intel are done for they have had some good processors this year, Leo just had a bad launch experience. they are good now
Great review! Would love to see the 7600 (nonX) included as it's the entry card into AM5 and likely what i'll get before I upgrade to this bad boy in the future.
The price of a 9800X3D is 585euros ( thats 626USD )in my country right now! Crazy prices... Gonna wait a little bit for prices to stabilize. Maybe in december?
1:55 what im surprised here is the relative low score 8.5 you guys gave to the excellent 5800x3d. It is still talked about today and mostly competitive compared to more modern cpus. This always deserved a 9.5 one of the best cpu's in a generation
I own a 7800X3D and I actually just reserved one at my friend's SI. Gonna get it installed tomorrow hopefully. (Edited: I realized we're using the same GPU! Love it!)
Great review. I'm waiting to see if we get something epic with the 9950X3D, curious if it will gap the 7950X3D in the same way. If so I can hand down this Cpu to my son and spend time thinking about how I can justify spending money.
Wow that was some performance in the games - its not the best CPU though if you want to do a lot of serious stuff as well as gaming. but looks to be a big seller for AMD in Q4
The more you cache... the more you save. In retrospect, it makes me wonder about the TDP for the 9700X. It really didn't do much better except for a few synthetic apps at a higher power, but for X3D, it has always had this "but in some ways it is inferior to the non X3D" quality due to the limited clocks. However, with a power constrained X and a juiced X3D, it becomes the "no compromises" (aka higher price) part. However, If they intentionally planned out and "Herkleman Jebaited" something like that, it would imply that AMD knew how well zen 5 would run, which yeah. If the 9950X3D has double v-cache, I wouldn't even be surprised to see it ahead of the regular 9950X even in "productivity workloads" due to how memory bottlenecked zen 5 seems to be. As always, thank you for the review Leo
By looking at the changes vs Zen4, zen 5 has increased memory bandwidth and the decode width but they certainly wants to push back the introduction of new I/O die Otherwise this zen 5 would be like a double-tik cycle...
I would agree that the X3D parts are amazing gaming CPUs, but do you "need" or just "want" to upgrade? For those with cash burning a hole in their wallets, sure, spend 1-2 grand for two or three games where you can actually notice the difference in RT eye candy and you do not mind a massive performance hit. Buy a 4K TV with a 7900XTX and you'll get all the pretty you need.
I'm in Canada. Saw these reviews ... made my choice ... 9AM EDT F5'd Newegg until it showed up and bought it. One minute later? Out of stock. Whew. My training during COVID came in handy here.
Is hard for me to feel sympathy for Intel, but I kinda do at the minute, I dont like them, but we need competition and AMD are running away with this. 3 years ago who would have thought this would ever happen.
It wouldn't surprise me if zen 6 moves all L3 cache to a seperate die, maybe 128MB of unified L3 cache, and include 8 zen 6c cores instead of the 32MB L3 cache that currently occupies the space, and let all 16 cores on the CCX share the same L3 cache.
9800X3D and a 5090 for me, In February. thats my plan right now. cant wait. thanks for the great review Kitguru!
5090 as well. Wow well done mate I’m jealous 😮
That's the dream. I'm on a 5800X3D and 4080 Super now and will be for the forseeable future.
3090 and 3950x here, the 3090 still holding up great, but feel the 3950x has had its day, time for a 9800x3d
Same here. Bet I still won't get 90fps in MSFS in VR, though!
Finally minesweeper runs smoothly.
Thank you for the Video. I was waiting for reviews about 9800X3D before upgrading again from Ryzen 5 7600x. But I saw something very interesting feature this week in a new bios update from Asus motherboard B600 series that have a feature to turn off the Dual CCD into a Single CCD for the 7900X3D and 7950X3D. Would be interesting to see the different now for them! :)
You could always switch off a ccd in ryzen master.
Thanks for the comment 👍🏻
@@ElBurge1 Nice but I don't trust Ryzen Master yet. I rather trust an old fashion way more 😂😂🤷♂
@@ElBurge1 In Asus bios they've called it Turbo game mode added to do that. Ryzen Master is quite good but not totally trusted just in case there a wrongly config because it likes a mirror for normal Bios. That another reason I rather do it in Bios
You can switch off a CCD in AM4 for a long time. I run my 5950x with one CCD.
I love Leos reviews, just straight into the info and testing, no grandstanding and wankery
I'll watch the 'conclusions' of other reviewers but Leo's is the only one that I'll watch the whole video !
Thanks for the analysis Leo, love your work. was nice to meet you at Computex
Thanks, you too!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
nice testing Leo, as always thank you for your hard work
A leo CPU review mid week, time for a coffee and a bit of quiet. Been waiting on this review for some time. good day !
Leo, as always thank you, dont comment often but watch all your reviews
Thanks Kitguru team for all the hard work and great videos in 2024, love you guys
Thank you too!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
Thanks for the content, looks like a good processor, but I think I will save money and keep my 7800X3D for a while, and focus on a new graphics card
7950X3D holds up very well, what a brilliant processor
Great testing Kitguru, always like your reviews
Glad you like them!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
So what is interesting is that the 8 core with 3d V-cache is released first, as opposed to Zen 4. So it could be that the new implementation of V-cache (maybe on both CCDs) could make the 12 and 16 core even better.
Man, i am so SALIVATING looking at those AMD processors - nice content
Leo have a beer on me. you said this would be a banger months ago and to wait, and you were right. legend
thanks
Surprised how cool it runs- very impressive - take note intel !
Intel power consumption in those graphs is scary bad
looks like it was worth waiting for - thanks Leo, you seem happy with it anyway
That 9950X is killing everything in the graphs ! amazing chip
Just waiting on it to transform into its final form... the 9950x3d!
@@forog1 Great to know!
Its the gaming processor to get, love the X3D series - Intel wish they could design something so good
Just a reminder that these test are done at 1080p. Not 4k lol. Intel still leads the way.
@@madclone84 Did you see it in a review of some tech illiterate that tests CPUs at higher resolutions and doesn't understand the difference between CPU and GPU?
AMD seem to love Kitguru - not many reviews of this up
Scored my 7800x3d for just under £300 last month when the price dipped! Took a gamble that the 9800x3D wouldn’t be much of an upgrade, for the price and nailed it. All in on red, baby! 🎉
Amazing price well done 👍🏻
320 here from overclockers absolute steal
Leo, Fantastic review there, succinct and enlightening. I miss reading your column in Micromart although I am VERY glad we have you doing your thing here on UA-cam in the 21st century! 🖖👍😊
Like GN and Kitguru, always good reviews
Athlon, Athlon XP, Athlon 64. Now three generation of Ryzen X3D. They've done it again.
And this time Intel can't f them over
Great cpus from a great era
@@annebokma4637that time Intel could do so was giving massive discounts to OEMs...
@@annebokma4637 Just like how AMD came back from an impossible position, Intel can hopefully do it too (they are currently living through AMD's bulldozer phase LOL).
Not a fan of Intel, but we need competition because these Ryzen prices have been skyrocketing since they took dominance and just increasing every generation since 3000 series.
I'm delighted to see I'm not alone with this conclusion! Amidst the constant buzz of online comments feeling forcibly up-to-date, that historical perspective gets bulldozed over (pun absolutely intended) oftentimes.
Now - unlike the intended Bulldozer wordplay above, I feel that roles are reversed this time around, and that should be a glaring alarm signal to Intel. You could very much compare Meteor Lake to Bulldozer - a radical new approach that didn't quite pan out. In fact so badly that the desktop launch had to be scrapped altogether in favor of a refresh that was pushed so far beyond its limits it ultimately fryed itself. That analogy would make ARL Piledriver, and I'd consider this fitting, the difference being that og Piledriver at least had the redeeming quality of being dirt cheap and having at least the benefit of enabling certain multi-threaded applications that were unheard of at the time. ARL has nothing to offer in that department.
Leo, another great video, busy week for you, loved the gigabyte review too
Thanks a ton!
the VCACHE information was interesting, hadnt read about that before
Love it , thanks Leo for the hard work
Glad you enjoy it!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
"Must have, superb", good enough for me Leo!
Nice to see a gigabyte board in the video, instead of just MSI - get some ASROCK boards in soon please
Do not think I have ever heard Leo recommend and say to buy a CPU before the testing ! first for everything
He had tested it first 😉
@@KitGuruTech nice catch 🤣🤣
@@KitGuruTech Right!
AMD - are on form. now all we need are new Nvidia GPUs next year
Superb review as always. Love the Pro's and Con's and if I was building a system right now would certainly be looking closely at this CPU. best of its generation, by the look of it!
Game results look good - I appreciate you use high IQ not low IQ. means nothing anymore to people actually playing the games
Its a great CPU, very expensive and not affordable for most people, but you get what you pay for in this case
It's not very expensive it's just not cheap it's the fastest cup Intel sold extreme cups at 1000\1500 so it's not terrible value pcs just cost a lot for top end parts
Its still a lot of money I dont care what leo says, for most of us this is just too expensive. I suppose its 7800X3D shopping time as the prices drop
Thanks Leo !
AMD - well done, I know you dont read comments, but i gotta say it regardless. brilliant engineering capabilities now
Great review, and the summary was perfect. So many short-sighted reviewers dismissed the architectural changes to Zen 5 and where it would lead. All eating their words now as predicted.
Wow at the row of Ryzen and AMD processors, thats a few grand on your table, you lucky sod
7800X3D for me, as Leo said. much better deals right now as its older architecture. Not everyone needs to be running the latest hardware all the time. I am happy moving to a 7000 X3D chip
Still a top chip for gaming.
They were a lot cheaper just two months ago. Now, it's probably the best idea to wait for 9800x3d prices to settle in.
As someone who owns one: It's great.
It does run with a bit of power on idle though. Can be tweaked however.
@@TauCu Yeah, I used it in a system I built for a neighbour's kid and was impressed how much cooler it runs than my 5800x3d. That was in late August and he paid 360€. Now, it's selling for 470€, which seems silly.
Th 9800x3d (if you can get one) is hardly any more expensive than a 7800x3d is now.
Smashing review as per Leo, really outlined the important changes.
What a processor!! I hope they release a Ryzen 5 X3D chip in the UK this time.
This is a fucking fantastic review by KitGuru !!
Sky is the limit or Not.
Its a good deal - not cheap, but its a high end gaming CPU
Its a good looking CPU but as you said leo on the close out, look for 7800X3D bargains before they disappear, seen them at silly prices
The bargains are all gone at this time. I’ve seen the price as low as $340 many months ago, now on Newegg it’s $460.
@@dr.tobiasgoodfellow5174 Right!
thank you for your intelligent review without the unnecessary drama. Hardware's Unboxed FLOP video on Zen 5 is indeed silly. Now you are my go-to channel instead of the other drama-merchants.
Thanks for all the testing - good info at the start too on the hardware
thanks Leo will get stuck in shortly ! looks promising based on the conclusion which I skipped too for time in work today
The results are good, Ryzen Master works well for me
Ryzen Master with the 9800X3D? the software is fine for me with every other Ryzen, just not with this model.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech Okay Great to know!
7950X3D does not get enough attention at times. its a hard one to follow
Intel have left the building
Hey Leo!
Do you think you could do a video sometime on setting the most optimal timings and voltages for 8000 on Zen 5, or at least those which have worked best for you?
17:47 Oh I dunno, 7800X3D was £312 on Amazon UK and stayed around there up to £330 for a good couple of months but...retailers are just bumping it for extra profit.
here is 500€+
Would be really useful to see how you set up your DDR5 8000 on X870E boards, especially if you're doing anything other than just choosing an EXPO profile.
Enjoyed the videos today, this was one of the better ones
Thank Leo. For sure will upgrade to R7 9800X3D soon! Great review. Gaming Mode On... AMD ❤
I am buying one, getting my order in tomorrow
Nice move forward for AMD - good job
Thanks!
Thanks for the work Leo, great stuff as always man !
Great review, just found your channel, subbed !
Thanks Leo, really educational and well put together video
Glad you enjoyed it
Just subbed guys , awesome channel . thanks
Welcome aboard the Kitguru train
I really do enjoy all your videos, thank you for the effort!
Glad you like them!
Actual pricing in the UK adjusted for realistic expectations;
AMD's RRP: £449.99
Retailers like Scan: £469.99
Overclockers' price: £549.99
Far cry 6 must have been developed by AMD, its such a good game for them to focus on, isnt representative of what the general results are
It’s impressive to see a 120W TDP delivering this level of gaming performance. This could redefine efficiency standards, especially for high-end builds where cooling headroom is limited.
You remember that?Mr.Leo predicted. I do, and rewatching it pretty often "9980xe Leo doesnt like this turkey". Watch it again 😊
Really very impressed with this - its a great sign of things to come from AMD too very soon
Have mine ordered for delivery next week
FINALLY ! SOME ASROCK LOVING IN THE VIDEO !
No need to shout 🙃
It's interesting to me that in your benchmarks the 9900x looks a lot better than in some others I've seen somehow. From this video, for productivity focus + gaming, the 9900x seems like a great chip, but I've recently felt like it's not. Anyway, thanks for this amazing video!
The king is dead. Long live the king.
Just wanted to join in the masses and say I value what Kitguru does and this has shown me I need to upgrade my system as soon as I can afford it
Thanks appreciate it 👍🏻
Finally been waiting ages for this!
Thank you Leo great job as always.
I dont know why people are saying Intel are done for they have had some good processors this year, Leo just had a bad launch experience. they are good now
Well done on the game testing section, makes a lot of sense. might want to add in a few newer games into the mix
Its amazing how well it does in games,
Great review! Would love to see the 7600 (nonX) included as it's the entry card into AM5 and likely what i'll get before I upgrade to this bad boy in the future.
Have never looked at that CPU. My advice is to skip 6 cores and move directly to 8
Leo
@@KitGuruTech It's just more than I've ever spent on a CPU. But I must admit it's the first CPU in this price class that is quite tempting.
The price of a 9800X3D is 585euros ( thats 626USD )in my country right now! Crazy prices... Gonna wait a little bit for prices to stabilize. Maybe in december?
Spring sales, December I wish. I'm running out of 7800X3D.
Super job, I will be buying one after christmas
Just found your channel, great video - new sub !
Welcome aboard!
14900k puts in a good showing in Intel’s defence. AMD arent walking away with it
1:55 what im surprised here is the relative low score 8.5 you guys gave to the excellent 5800x3d. It is still talked about today and mostly competitive compared to more modern cpus. This always deserved a 9.5 one of the best cpu's in a generation
I own a 7800X3D and I actually just reserved one at my friend's SI. Gonna get it installed tomorrow hopefully. (Edited: I realized we're using the same GPU! Love it!)
Congrats !
As always best review on the net today for this by a long way
Great review, thanks Leo.
Hi Zardon!
Hello!
seems like a good step forward over the last generation, which was already strong 🤩
I love it, will order one this week for my new build with Nvidia graphics in 2025
I'm more than happy with my 7950x3d. Thank You.
Excellent news 👍🏻
Excellent processor, AMD are taking over Intel massively
Great review. I'm waiting to see if we get something epic with the 9950X3D, curious if it will gap the 7950X3D in the same way. If so I can hand down this Cpu to my son and spend time thinking about how I can justify spending money.
Wow that was some performance in the games - its not the best CPU though if you want to do a lot of serious stuff as well as gaming. but looks to be a big seller for AMD in Q4
The more you cache... the more you save.
In retrospect, it makes me wonder about the TDP for the 9700X. It really didn't do much better except for a few synthetic apps at a higher power, but for X3D, it has always had this "but in some ways it is inferior to the non X3D" quality due to the limited clocks. However, with a power constrained X and a juiced X3D, it becomes the "no compromises" (aka higher price) part. However, If they intentionally planned out and "Herkleman Jebaited" something like that, it would imply that AMD knew how well zen 5 would run, which yeah. If the 9950X3D has double v-cache, I wouldn't even be surprised to see it ahead of the regular 9950X even in "productivity workloads" due to how memory bottlenecked zen 5 seems to be.
As always, thank you for the review Leo
Thanks for watching and the support 👍🏻
By looking at the changes vs Zen4, zen 5 has increased memory bandwidth and the decode width but they certainly wants to push back the introduction of new I/O die
Otherwise this zen 5 would be like a double-tik cycle...
good motto
Thanks for great review, do we have to have the Z790 or Z870 motherboard for overclocking, or a good quality B650 will suffice?
These days, using the default Intel Power Profiles, you will be fine with B650 imo
Leo
great video but no test in 2K and 4k?
1080p is basically 2K
FHD 1920x1080
2K = 2048x1080
2.5K = 2560x1440 (or the odd QHD terminology)
UHD = 3840x 2160p
4K = 4096x2160
Great review Leo!
I would agree that the X3D parts are amazing gaming CPUs, but do you "need" or just "want" to upgrade? For those with cash burning a hole in their wallets, sure, spend 1-2 grand for two or three games where you can actually notice the difference in RT eye candy and you do not mind a massive performance hit. Buy a 4K TV with a 7900XTX and you'll get all the pretty you need.
I'm in Canada. Saw these reviews ... made my choice ... 9AM EDT F5'd Newegg until it showed up and bought it. One minute later? Out of stock. Whew. My training during COVID came in handy here.
Is hard for me to feel sympathy for Intel, but I kinda do at the minute, I dont like them, but we need competition and AMD are running away with this. 3 years ago who would have thought this would ever happen.
It wouldn't surprise me if zen 6 moves all L3 cache to a seperate die, maybe 128MB of unified L3 cache, and include 8 zen 6c cores instead of the 32MB L3 cache that currently occupies the space, and let all 16 cores on the CCX share the same L3 cache.
This thing is just an absolute monster. Very good value for money.