How to do a short turn in Motorcycle: the Japanese's like U-turn 2 - modified version
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2016
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(UA-cam asked me to remove one of the track, this is the only change from the previous movie, the Japanese's like U-turn 2). For those who have only seen the Japanese's like U-turn 1, this is a NEW movie.
At least, here is the upgrade of the movie "the Japanese's like U-turn" : better musics (I hope lol), new technics, new scenes, etc.
For a faster and shorter U-turn, with lot of sensations, and a U-turn, that you can do in circulation, or during Moto Gymkhana exercises...
If you speak french, here is a book where you can find more informations about us and our technics : www.thebookedition.com/motards... - Авто та транспорт
Damn people get off his ass. The English is poor but it is a whole lot better than my French. I appreciate his efforts.
Thank you, but they are right, I have to do more effort :)
Wow I see mostly compliments below, maybe the "People" aren't the negative ones. ;
This is great. I've re-watched this a number of times over the past year. People complain about confusing instructions and bad English, but frankly, I don't find it confusing at all. It's quaint, but very understandable. Thanks for making this.
Thank you for your message :)
I think its also brilliant, my take away was obviously the use of both front/rear brake in different scenarios but also the fact your shoulders should imitate/copy were the handlebars are pointing whilst ALSO leaning your body!
i would really love to try this. but not with my bike. i like my side panels.
If you can here to do a course with me, I will provide you a bike with which you will be able to try :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite If that's you riding your bike... You are amazing. I recently started learning how to ride, I'm 30 and bought a Grom. I fell on a turn from a stop and didn't know if it was because I was going too fast or because of road conditions and Now I know because of yuo it was most likely me being a noob AND road conditions lol. Thank you!
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I'd love to try! how much do I need to pay?
Then start wide circle and work inward.. First gear, slow entry, accelerate, trail brake
Time to get a beater...
This is my translation and summary of the original French version of this video. I've retained the bad English headings from this English video though.
This video describes how to do a Japanese u-turn. There are different techniques for doing u-turns. This is one particular technique.
*"Be inclined to turn":*
-Use body weight to turn the bike. Do not steer with the handlebars. The leaning of the bike causes the handlebars to turn by themselves.-
Edit: I think he means that leaning the bike causes the handlebars to turn into the lean by themselves, and you should use that self-movement of the handlebars for steering. To initiate a lean, you would typically do a counter-steering input. I think the demonstration of him steering with body weight was just to prove the point that leaning causes the handlebars to turn.
*"Brake makes accelerate":*
Your speed will determine how fast the handlebars turn. (The handlebars turn by themselves, remember.) If you go fast, they won't turn so fast. The slower you go, the faster they will turn. So, you will need to brake to tighten your turn.
*"Paying no attention to the pilot's eye":*
There is no need to look where you want to go with this technique.
*"Position of body":*
You have to lean your body depending on where you are in the turn. At the beginning of the turn when you are going fast, you need to lean your body into the turn to make the motorcycle turn, but at the tight part of the turn, you need to lean your body out of the turn. As the handlebars change their position, you have to change the position of your body.
*"Tries on road and during Moto Gymkhana":*
In traffic, you should use the rear brake because that is more stable. But that means you will have to enter the turn more slowly.
In Moto Gymkhana where you want to go as fast as possible, you can use the front brake to enter the turn. You have to ease off the brake as you turn. Using the front brake is more risky though, so don't try it in traffic.
Agreed on your translation - I read “brakes make accelerate” as the braking forces allow the forks and unassisted guidons (handlebars) speed up their rotation, I pondered this for about 5 views and realized he had said it. He’s an excellent rider/driver. Practicing 8s daily still not there!
@SantaRosa Slim yep i understood it as 'braking makes the turn-in faster' ..
Thanks Dan, your translation of Master Yoda's instructions were really helpful :)
There are some seriously english-centric people on YT / internet, and they almost always seem stupider than the average idiot 😂
That's a great translation thanks. So just to clarify- when going slow using the rear brake, he suggests counter steering?
@@David-fv2hj Yes, I think so. You counter-steer to initiate the lean, and then let the handlebars fall into the turn by themselves. That's my understanding of what he is saying at least, and that is my practical experience.
This is the best demostration on cornering and trail braking that I've seen. I have been searching for a clear understanding and most videos show a lot of steps on how but never specific about certain aspects of the cornering: the speed , the lean angle, or body position. Those videos pass it off as its depends on the situation or just do these steps and the cornering is achieved.
This video demonstrates the whole concept of motorcycle cornering from slow to fast in one video; from the perspective of the motorcycle physics of motion without a rider to showing what rider input is needed. How body position and breaking is applied correctly to align with motorcycle physics. It made a lot of sense to me. Especially the part of being really gentle on the brakes during cornering. That is trail braking. The scope of it is very far reaching.
Everything was covered in panoramic. It wasn't a bunch of disparate videos highly explaining one small aspect of cornering in certain situations. Forcing me to watch hours of videos just to piece the whole concept together which can cause mental overload and numbness; by then I would have forgotten how to apply the concepts to my riding. It was easily grasped, applied, and assimilate to improved my riding skill. I practiced the figure eight aka box turns and tight cornering using cones in an empty lot like in the video, without my hands and at different speeds. It was a revelation. I'm more confident in corners at higher speeds now. Thank you.
PS. For the trolls who comment about English. I can understand if this video was incomprehensible but...this video is done very well and very understandable. Understand that english is a second language to some people. It's easy to criticize about a language you were born into and use most of your life. Try picking up another language and making a nice video in that language before you criticize. Some expect perfection I guess. So If you can't get it right the first time give up and don't try anymore? That is crap and quit hating! Don't pass it off as constructive to justify your hate. Constructive would have been something like, "hey your video is good, would be great if you substitute this word for this other word". That is more constructive then just saying your English isn't very good period. Trolls taking the spot light for attention yet again.
Wow, thank you for this comment :) but this video is now a litlle bit old, you should look to the updated one :)
This is a great video as far the topic goes, how to make a short U turn. Nothing about English. In India, most of us speak 4 to 5 languages, so people who can only speak English should pipe down on their attitude and give this video its due credit. If the slightest English errors confuse you on the core subject of tight U turns, despite a very explicit video, sell your bike and stop insulting others
Thank you, I think you'll enjoy the new video which is now on line :)
Yes, thanks! The best comment of all the others here..Thank you. AND no one said it was to ride a motorcycle with eyes closed.
There are those who always think they do better than others ... But...
Great video and true comment! I just cant believe that those (other) offensive vomiting comments get so many thumbs up
Well said, Srinath TG...mostly americans are the ones commenting on other peoples' English, which is a bit silly really, considering they aren't the best at it themselves. (".)
on point
Wow..been practicing tight turns and glad I found this vid.thanks
For what it's worth, this is my interpretation of what he is saying:
The front wheel will turn by itself when the bike is leaned over. This can be demonstrated using a bicycle, as another commenter has said.
The front wheel turns less at higher speeds and turns more as the bike slows down.
It is important to keep only light pressure on the handlebars so you can feel what the bike is doing and allow the handlebars to turn according to speed and lean angle.
Using the front brake causes the front wheel to turn more. Using too much front brake at slow speed can cause the bike to fall over.
The point of Gymkhana is to go fast, so the front brake must be used, but with great care; brake pressure must be released as the bike slows
Adding power at any point in the turn will tend to make the bike stand upright. Braking and throttle need to be coordinated.
U-turns on the road are performed at slower speeds, so the rear brake should be used, because it has less effect on turning-in the front wheel.
Body position must change with speed; lean into the turn at higher speed and away from the turn as speed slows and handlebar rotation increases.
Shoulders should follow the handlebars.
The rider’s head and eyes don’t necessarily need to turn in the direction of travel to make a successful U-turn. Gymkhana riders tend to be looking at turn entry and exit points, or the cones that mark the next turn point. Road riding techniques are different than those used to perform Gymkhana and should not be confused.
In his demonstration of road U-turns (what he calls "circulation"), you can see him do a slight counter steer to initiate leaning the bike into the turn. That does not appear to be the case when he demonstrates Gymkhana turns.
I only wish I had a well-protected bike so I could feel less fearful of practicing these techniques.
I am very greatful that he makes all these amazing videos, despite the translation issues.
This is the best summary I rode about this video, really. Thank you :)
But some things are wrong. I don't initiate with counter steer, at any time, sorry. And about the look, Moto Gymkhana riders doesn't look cones, even next or whatehter. They just try to keep it horizontally, and the head turns only when the body turns.
So it can be used both on road or Moto Gymkhana.
About brakes, the real probglem is about training: this video can only show that it is possible to do it, but a video is not enough to be sure that people can do exactly what they need to do to be able to turn like that. This is why I putted this "warning" about brakes.
But during the training courses I teach, trainees learn how to do it, and then, they can use both brakes to turn more :)
Thank you for taking the effort to produce this video in English. It is my first and only language. This video was very easy to understand. Now for the hard bit. Learning it!
You're welcome :)
Here is the latest update of hte Japanese u-turn: ua-cam.com/video/FMCZqQNzVnM/v-deo.html
Another excellent lesson, thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍
Thank you :)
**Turns in Japanese**
Thank you
Gee, that was so helpful - thank you!
you're welcome :)
One of the most instructive videos of Bike turning! Very impressed and enlighted
Thank you :)
Excellent video! I'm beginning to teach my 16 year old son in parking lots, since he's still too young for a permit, so this sort of instruction is perfect -- it will make both him and me better and safer riders! Much thanks for your efforts, and for presenting all the information in sequence and great detail -- could not be any better. Even the "classical" joke in the introduction was well-done and very funny! NJ USA
Thank you.
This other video can help you too:
ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
Wow, great vid, glad I found it! Such great instructions all the way through AntiPilote, A+++. Can't wait to try it out. I want to practice the front braking skills too. I hope I don't lose the bike while walking or running behind it :)
lol have fun :)
These are really great videos, i am learning and taking away something each time! This time the take away was the use of both brakes front/rear and how they effect the bike and also the shoulder position and how they should follow the angle of the handlebars whilst you are leaning!
So you will like the next video I will do, it is about brakes while leaning and turning :)
I'll be taking my test soon enough and I'm dreading the u-turn part of it.
this is pure gold, thank you
You're welcome :)
Here is the latest update of the u-turn : ua-cam.com/video/FMCZqQNzVnM/v-deo.html
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I will watch it now, thank you
Brilliant! Very helpful. Thanks.
Thank you :)
Don't hesitate to look to this other video, it will give you more infos about how to manage your speed for a uturn:
ua-cam.com/video/CNqn1UPqKjA/v-deo.html
Thank you for efforts and information.
You're welcome :)
One of the best videos I've seen so far. You've got some crazy skills. This video is a lifesaver. Don't worry about the haters, the instructions were perfectly clear.
Thank you :) I did a new one, with much better explications, but... yes, haters are still there lol
This video and the others you have are still my favorites. I watched them the first time like half a year ago and used what i've learned from it ever since. I smashed and destroyed my bike trying to push the limit about four weeks ago. Now i got another bike to continue training. To bad there is no Moto Gymkahna around where i live. I would love to train with others so i don't look like a crazy person on the parking lot. But thanks for the videos, never heard about it before and now i love it. Merci and keep it up!
Thank you, what a kind comment :) I think you'll surely like the last one too (ua-cam.com/video/MBtl45fbKh8/v-deo.html).
Where are you from? Maybe I can see in my contacts if they are some Riders not so far away from you :)
Nice and clear. I recommend to train even with a bicycle if you are fearful of damaging your bike at too low speeds.
Thx for the video.
you're welcome :)
thank you for your video. it really good teaching for turning skill .
You're welcome :)
I think you should look to this one too, it shows the self baance effetc of the bike, which is NOT the gyroscopic effect :)
ua-cam.com/video/ua_qU5gSiqs/v-deo.html
great experince ,excellent film..thank you sir
This is an old video lol but I am glad if you liked it :)
God this is the most confusing instructions I've seen so far!
You're welcome ;)
This is only because of his terrible command of the english language. It would have probably made more sense with an automatic translation from google translate. To the author of this video, I can recommend Grammarly to check his spelling, punctuation, and grammar.
The fact is that when I did the video, I was not thinking it could bo so much shared...
True. And now it can be improved and made even more helpful with proper english. If you have your raw footage I could be persuaded to edit this so that you can replace it.
It's still a great video, and thank you for posting it !
Wow amazing video amazing riding skills
Thank you :)
Here is a big upgrad of this video, I think you will like it too:
ua-cam.com/video/BJB7HeSqB2c/v-deo.html
You make really good instructional videos! And, yes, I very impressed your skills on FJR! Hope, that one day I visit your trainings personally)
thank you :)
all the no hands practice and pushing practice are brilliant. good way to get familiar with the physics without resort to old bad steering habit. as with any kind of learning, isolating the problem area is key.
Thank you :)
This other video has more parts with no hand, I think you should like it (it starts at the second part)
ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
You are the best! I can't wait to make turns like you!
Thank you :)
Here is how it looks on a gscr1000, under the rain :)
ua-cam.com/video/snKjUQ8Cw6k/v-deo.html
Been riding a Vfr800 since 2015th. It is my first bike. Since the first day with the license in hand, I started to train myself in motogymkhana. At the same time, I found this video and watched it for the first time.
Only now, two years later, so much of the things the author is showing in this vid, became clear to me. Even though I am still at 38 sec range on a GP8 and even not on the VFR.
It's a pleasure to see a FJR being used like that. Thank you for your input, man.
Thank you :)
38s is a already a good time. If you want to go faster, you'll need to use the front brake too... But it is not easy. I did a movie about it: if you use it well, you will turn shorter and faster. But if you do a mistake, you will fall :(
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I am using it already and I watched the vid you are talking about. The problem with the VFR is the combined brake system. And the weight of the bike and my fear. We are redoing the crash cage on that bike, plus the new tires (hopefully sticky), plus the suspension overhaul and some other minor, suspension and the steering related mods and a lot of training. Hopefully, it will help to improve the time.
38 secs was on a Hornet 600. Felt completely different, if compared to the VFR.
brilliant video, I'm going out now to try it. fab
Thank you, but be carefull, it is not so easy :)
Great video. I learned a lot. Thanks
You're welcome :)
Wow WOW wow I lived on my two motorcycles in the 90s commuting all over Seattle in all seasons and never knew this!
Lol I believe you more tyhan you think :)
Everything in this video can be explained in terms of slip angle related steering (turning the handlebars in the direction of the turn) and camber thrust. Camber thrust is why a cone rolls in a circle. Or a Styrofoam coffee cup. Motorcycle wheels have the biggest diameter in the center and less to the sides. Like a cone. Counter-balancing (the opposite of hanging off) allows more lean angle and thus more camber thrust. Going slower makes it easier to turn the bars to full lock. Centrifugal force allows you to lean without falling over (he kind of skips over that and how useful the throttle is). Slowing into a tight turn is a hair away from a drop. You'll notice him using the throttle then. He never explains his fascination with where he is looking. Just viewing the video with the sound off is quite useful.
But I don't turn the handlebar, sorry... I was thinking it was clear enough, but it seems that I failed. So please look to this one, maybe you will see ?
ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
What are you going to say with my look? I would like to know, please lol
Hi camgere and APDLD, I haven't understood the role of the clutch in this manoeuvre, I have a big two-cylinder and when I do slow turns, I'm afraid I'll stall and eventually drop the bike (which has happened to me twice while practicing low-speed manoeuvres). Do you accelerate very hard and then "coast/idle" through the turn using the momentum, or do you use the clutch's friction zone (tu fais le virage au ralenti avec le frain d'arrière engagé en utilisant l'inertie ou tu utilises l'embrayage?)
@@carlosalonso9866 There is only a small amount of centrifugal force at slow speeds. So you can only lean a small amount (we will get to counter-balancing in a bit). These slow speeds require actively balancing the motorcycle. Doing a full lock U-turn on my motorcycle requires using the friction zone of the clutch. Some motorcycle may not need this. Your method of practicing is excellent. Don't try to do full lock, counterbalanced turns right away. Do comfortable radius turns and with practice they will get tighter. Eventually you will reach full lock. At that point you can counter-balance the motorcycle to lean even more and get additional camber thrust and even tighter turning. Yes, you can show off and go a bit fast through a full lock turn using more centrifugal force and lean angle. Accelerating out of the turn will also generate some centrifugal force and keep you from dropping the motorcycle. I don't much bother trying to go fast through a u-turn. Remember to practice going left and right. It is nice to have the confidence that you can do a tight u-turn if you suddenly need to. Happy cruising!
Thanks for the useful reply. I’ve learned and practiced the way of doing slow speed turns and circles you described i.e. leaning the bike a lot by pushing the handlebars and counterbalancing with my body but the dynamic approach of the video fascinates me and as I “only” live 350 km away from where they do their training courses, I think I’ll give it try.
I can watch the videos and read the instructions a few times and get it. It is my fault for not paying more attention in high school French class. Great video.
Thank you :)
I think I'm TURNING JAPANESE, I think I'm TURNING JAPANESE.., I really think SO.!!
cool :)
Great song from the 80's!! Lol
Well played Jayjay, well played. Hillarious
google translate:: " I think I'm TULNING JAPANESE, I think I'm TULNING JAPANESE.., I leally think SO.!! "
Best comment ever :D
You're are right, nice riding.
Thanks :)
So very nice! Firecracker hot riding. The bicycle is a good comparison. Will ask my riders safety instructor to demonstrate these techniques, haha. Looking forward to riding again, safely and sanely, as you have show. Thank you and great work by your crew!
Thank you :) I am not sure that your instructor can do that, as it needs to change some habits that are usually teached, but why not ?
Hi what if I practice this tutorial on a land full of grass? Will it not make my motorcycle damage badly and none scratches for the coverset if I fell over?
Great bro nice to see
And definitely it will be useful for the beginner 's
Thank you :)
Maybe you will appreciate to look at this other video too, which will help you to understand some things I am doing :)
ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
Really enjoyed your. video. Been out practicing some slow speed maneuvers. When u're doing the figure 8 turns at 5:58(time of your vid), which gear you're on, coz I notice u never touch the clutch?? When I'm doing it, I'm constantly feathering the clutch, this could b due to the slower speed I'm on. Also, how far are your cones apart?
Would also appreciate, if you could do longer slo-mo vids and with description of what you're doing during the whole process, speed you're on, when you're applying front/back brakes, etc.
Thanks and keep up the great work!
What a video you guys rock!.
Thank you :)
I think it really helped me to understand stability that you can push a motorcycle from behind at even a walking pace and it will stay up. They are way more stable than most of us think they are. I've been watching too many You tube videos where the morons go around a turn and go wide off the road or low side on a regular low speed turn so I tend to think motorcycles aren't stable, but really those people don't know how to ride.
Cool if it helps :)
Damnit! I need more practice on making quick u-turn
good luck :)
To turn left sharply, gently apply the back brake whilst at the same time opening the throttle a little. Press down on the left foot peg and lean into the turn. To straighten up again release the back brake. I have been riding for 40 years and actually can speak Engleesh
Me too on a big ass Harley. I'm pretty sufficient but this improved my game. Ride like a cop and add some japanese flavor...
The art of slow riding. I will try your technique. Riding slow and riding normal or fast really require very different technique. Interesting !
Thank you :)
Thanks for your tips
You're welcome :)
Merci! Useful tips! I can understand pretty much everything despite some lack of grammatical accuracy which isn't the point of these videos:)!
You're welcome :) This video is now a little bit old now. I think my english skills grow since this time :)
I thought it very good and helpful. I think I'm going to get it! Already dropped the bike twice and flunked my skills test because I didn't know about body shifting. Oh yeah I'm 64! That's old...
It is never too old to learn :)
Super impressive and super scary. I know I need to get better at U-turns, but this takes things to another level.
Thank you, you should look to the latest videos, they will help you to understand the physics used in this uturn
Mind Blown! 🤯
Thanks. But this video is old, now. You can look at this another one too, which is new: ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
Bad English aside, this is probably the best video on low speed motorcycle handling I've ever watched.
Thank you
Good advice.
I always look for clear videos about gymkhana and u-turns but I always end up at yours! One of the best! Can you do a video explaining step by step the figure 8 and how to use brakes,clutch, throttle etc? It would be great! Thank you so much
Thank you for your message. I don't think I can do that, as in the Japanese way of thinking, the GP8 is not a how to...
It is only an exercize where you need to use all the riding skills, like leaning the bike without counter steering, using brakes (front and rear) to help to lean and to rotate, let the handlebar rotate itself, master the throttle in full lock, and lean even if you accelerate, and always without counter steering.
The paradix is that if you do it well, you can't fall, but you will have the feeling of falling: you'll have to be able to brake the balance of the bike :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I'm trying to apply your tips and suggestions and I can tell I'm really improving doing a straight u-turn (now i can do it in first gear in little more than 2 parking spaces or less than 3 parking spaces in second gear) but I took a video of me doing some exercises and the bike is not so leaned (even if my sensation is way different, it seems to me like I'm dropping lol) . I would appreciate if you could do other technical videos like you did yet, like as throttle and clutch control, when and how to use front and rear brakes and stuff like that. If possible you could do video explaining preparatory exercises to master all the techniques. Thank you and keep it up 🤗✌️
Thanks for the video!I will start trying it.Would you share how you keep the speed when the hands are off the handlebar.Is there something special tunned on the bike to maintain so low speed constantly?
You're welcome. You have to use your idle control. On the XJ6, I putted it to 2000 rpm, it is enough :)
I practiced a bit today, hope to whip the u-turns soon. It's pretty interesting to see the bike turning so easy without hands!
:) when the handlebar turns, it want to stand up the bike. The force of this standing up depends of the rotation of the handlebar, how fast it is turning, and the speed of the bike.
So at slow speed, if you turn yourself the handlebar to turn, this helps to stand up (but this effect is fought by the caster effect, so the bike doesn't really stand up, but slow down the leaning of the bike) the bike, and this helps to keep your balance until you reach the full lock rotation, but you will have a wide turn, because of the standing up of the bike.
With too much speed, if you turn the handlebar yourself, the bike will stand up so fast that it will lean to the other side. This is what most of people do and call that counter steering.
So be carefull with the use of the handlebar :)
This is very detailed for a youtube reply, you should create a blog or post somewhere so it can reach more people.
lol why not, but I am not use with this :(
I don't think the comments are confusing at all, in fact this is the clearest/best explanation of doing tight turns i could find, the subject is confusing and needs a lot of practice, but don't confuse that with confusing comments :) Brilliant video - really appreciated it! i am going to check out your other videos now :)
oh, thank you :)
Againg WOW
Thanks :) I think you should like one of the later video I made, it will pleased you for sure :)
Thank you for the attractive technique.
Do you keep it at 1st gear for Gymkhana Figure-8 ?
Thank you :)
Yes, 1st gear.
please, could you describe how you use the clutch,the throttle and the break (front or rear) during the UTurn and before ? This would help me a lot. THX
When you enter the U-turn, keep the motor revved up around 1500-2000, foot on the brake, use clutch and rear brake to regulate the speed. TURN YOUR HEAD !! Look where you want to end up, not where you're going. Lean and counterbalance. If you don't have power to the back wheel, you will tip over. You must have power going to that back wheel. Stay OFF the front brake altogether.
daisy8luke I can turn fine on tight corners on my z1000 its lite and turning circle is good on it but I have trouble on my black bird its heavy and turning circle is crap on it 😳
The heavier it is, the more you have to lean it. The more you lean it, the more power needs to go to the rear.
Please correct me if I am wrong, so in summary for the 7th experiment where you apply what we have learnt in the video:
For the U turn you are starting slow so you must lean AWAY from the turn, little brake to slow down so that it can turn quickly because brake makes accelerate but not too much brake because already slow so use rear brake.
For the Gymkhana exercise already moving fast so lean INTO the turn but when almost finish turn you are slow again so must correct position by leaning AWAY from the turn. brake makes accelerate and want to slow down a lot so use front brake.
The answer about brake is here:
ua-cam.com/video/xXyXoFjUyds/v-deo.html
There are two kind of brakes: brake to slow down,a nd brake to modifie the geometry of the bike :)
Bro this video is great, thanks for the lesson and keep it up the great job you are doing for all of us riders. Suscribed
Thank you, man :)
Good vid. Don't think about the negative responses too much, because me and others like me learnt something!
Thank you, man :)
Fantastic! Thanks
lol thanks again
An excellent video!
I also say, people should ride trail bikes to learn about slow moves and balance. On a tight bumpy trail, you learn quick or you fall off.
Thanks. But this video is old, now. You can look at this another one too, which is new: ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
Amazing skill bro..peace from malaysia✌️❣️
Thank you :) but this is an old video, now ;)
Great video thank you very much, thumbs up.
The only part I am not sure about is the meaning of is; "Paying no attention of the pilot's eye".
I think it means you don't have to stare/look where you want to go like other training videos say you have to do?
Merci encore.... for making the effort to give your knowledge to the English speaking.
Thank you :)
Yes, you're right, my intention was to show that you don't need to look where you want to go. The correct words would have been "the look of the rider", I think :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite
Simply, as you stated; "that you don't need to look where you want to go"
is an absolutely fine way of explaining what you intended.
I think "the look of the rider"... has lost something in the translation ;)
Au revoir pour l'instant mon ami :)
When hes doing the no hands balance thing, is he on neutral? And when you say braking on the full rotation lock, you mean the front brake or the back brake?
Not neutral, but first gear. During full lock rotation, I am only using rear brake :)
Amazing!
Thank you :)
I am sure you would like this one too : ua-cam.com/video/uNKiJRRbTpI/v-deo.html
Cool video my friend
Thank you :)
I think you will appreciate this one too: ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
You can't deny the skills involved in what this guy is doing, and having worked many years with the Japanese, I can "translate" their english more readily. Yes, it's a bit frustrating to some when the terms they use are a tad confusing, but using fuzzy logic, one can decipher their intent, which is to teach us mortals how to ride better! So get over it! Counter steering does not apply to slow turns. Counter leaning is important, as is controlled braking and clutch/throttle control. Although we can't see it in the video, I have no doubt he is braking before the turn (front early on, then back to initiate the turn) as well as using the friction zone with the clutch in the turn and adding throttle as he exits the turn. I am far from getting it down in practice, but improving, thanks to watching this video over and over. As a newer rider, I have gained confidence in riding winding back rides at speed, but still find low speed maneuvering to be the scariest part of riding; after all, who wants to drop their bike making a u-turn, especially if there are witnesses?! LOL! Respect riders like these that are trying to show us how.
Thank you :)
But...
I am braking Before AND during the turn. And I don't use the clutch anymore. Last thing, I did a new video showing that you can counter steer even at low speed (you can see it here: ua-cam.com/video/-jyltAAFS4E/v-deo.html).
I don't use counter steer usually, but I did it to show that it could work at any speed. And I am thinking about doing a futur video to show that even at fast speed, you can lean without counter steering :)
I am glad if the video could help you, by the way :)
Thank you. Congratulations!
No one said it was to ride a motorcycle with eyes closed.
You're welcome :)
and yes, you're right :)
I enjoyed just watching and learning. Keep up your efforts, please. Could someone tell me about the motorcycle used in this video? Thanks.
Thank you :) I will try, but I can't show everything with a video. Some things need to be felt, rather than seen :)
The motorcycles uesd in this video are the following: the white one is a Yamaha XJ6 and the blue one is a Yamaha FJR1300 :)
I´m in the middle of taking my motorcycle license and your videos seem very helpful. But on the slow speed U turns there is one thing I do not get. The brake is applied before letting the bike "fall" to the side or when it is already turning. Also, the use of the clutch is not clear in this same situation. Is the clutch sliping or is the clutch lever all in during the turn?
Appreciate if anyone can help ou on this questions.
Thanks for the videos man.
This is a big question lol you can brake before and during the turn. It depends if you want to have a tight turn at the beginning of the turn (then brake before - front brake), oe if you wanrt to reduce your turn during the turn (then use rear brake during the turn).
About the clutch, it depends. When I started to do these uturns, I used it, because I was not abble to use the throttle enough smoothly. So, try with and without, on a wide place to test it :)
Ok man. Thank you for answering my questions. I will pay atention to what you said and practice the mid corner slow speed technique (rear brake). I only need to make the turn tight so that I can u turn and properly execute the figure 8s during normal riding. I already droped the bike once ( I realize now I had way to little speed before turning in and I did not consider the counterweight technique.
Thanks again.
I like gymkhana.. cool..👍🏼
I came back from Metz doing the course last weekend and feel like sharing a few words.
If you catch yourself watching Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos more than twice, it's time for you to plan yourself a trip to France. :)
It will be more than worth it, you will learn a lot and acquire fantastic new skills which may also save you from a possible future crash, if you rely solely on countersteering to turn and one day slippery surface betrays you.
This is more than just riding a motorcycle, it's about increasing overall awareness and proprioception about you and your body.
If you have ever done any martial art in your life, you'll find strong resemblence, it's about finding that fine delicate feel for things and perfecting it.
Yes, this is a martial art, and Clément is a sensei. A motorcycle Yoda which will show you your way to become a Jedi knight. :)
He'll take you into the deep dark forest where 2+2=5 and you cannot (!) fall of the motorcycle.
You'll be up exploring the uncharted territory through a series of challenging tasks and brilliant exercises and each will grab you way out of your comfort zone but at the end you will manage!!! :)
Come fit!
The body effort needed to lean the motorcycle Japanese style is very tough on your core, as you need to hold your body yourself at all times, so better come as fit as you can, do stability exercises, planks, side planks and push-ups.
Come prepared!
Study all the major Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos so you can ask all the right questions.
Take your girlfriend/wife with you!
Metz is a beautiful place and France at its best!
The closest international airport to Metz is in Luxembourg, which is only 1h train ride away.
That's a convenient way to arrive.
My advice: take a week off and do two courses on two consecutive weekends!
Thank you Zeljko, for this kind message :) I am very glad that you understood it as you describe it :)
It's just practice, practice and more practice. Thanks
Is it same for scooters like the suzuki burgman street 125 cc which has smaller rear wheel than the front wheel?
Yes, for sure :)
Mad skills, I don't get the negative comments! If you think you can do better (native English speakers), I challenge you to make a similar training video in Japanese. Good examples, with good step-by-step development. I especially like the "lean opposite turn" example. Also, I don't think he's saying you "can't" look where you want to go, just that you "can" also look elsewhere (like for - you know - traffic).
Thank you for your comment :) Yes, you're right about your conclusion :)
I think the guy's Frenchman... So his way of writing is Latin based.
I doubt any native English speaker could do it any other language without mistakes...
Ed B yeah, you got it all right.
Guys 9 out 10 people are idiots. The video is awesome. I greatly appreciate all the effort. Many idiots complaining will never speak a second language or ride like him.
I am glad a few people understood the video hahahahaha
What a world we live ! Cheers 🍻
Very interesting!!! Thk's you👍👍😎
You're welcome :)
alright so what you do is you brake with the front brake as you start turning and trough the turn as the bike slows down you reduce the braking force. At the same time you lean the bike lot. Transferring the weight to the front tyre by braking makes it turn sharper.
Yeah, I am using front brake to make the turn tighter, by braking hard, and then less and less, but the key is to be able to do it according to the deformation of the front fork, as you can see it in this video :
ua-cam.com/video/xXyXoFjUyds/v-deo.html
The chiptune made me feel right at home! 👍👍👍
;)
Although the theory is correct, the motorcycle they are using is a non-standard street bike, the geometry has been modified. If you doubt me freeze the bike and look at the front fork angle. The forks have very little rake which will make any bike turn on a dime but you loose hi-speed stability.
Sorry to say the contrary, but... the Yamaha FJR is stock. What you are seeing about front fork, is the action of front break.
You can see it easily on this video too: ua-cam.com/video/l19wT9lOPrc/v-deo.html
The K1600 and the Sport Glide are not mine... If you don't believe me, just come here with your bike, I will show you ;)
To translate ... "inclined to turn" means "leaning to turn". Clem is basically saying that the bike's lean is what makes it turn. The handlebar will find its right position based on your speed. If you're going slow, the handlebar will turn more than if you're going fast. Don't worry about it, let the handlebar find its natural spot. As for your body position, if you're going fast, you're naturally going to have to lean to the inside of the bike. If you're going slow, you'll have to counterbalance or be neutral.
Part 2 "brake to accelerate" means "using the brake will make you turn more". Now this is where this gymkhana technique really deviates from traditional riding. Clem shows that if you use the front brake (with extreme finesse!) while turning sharply at great speed, you will turn even more sharply. Your turn is "accelerated". You will slow down, your handlebar will turn more, and your body may have to shift from the inside to the outside. The terminology is a bit confusing, but I'm pretty sure this is what he means. He says don't do this "in circulation", he means on the streets, in traffic. This type of technique is best kept to a closed gymkhana parking lot. And in my opinion, unless you are already a very proficient slow-speed rider, you shouldn't be attempting this type of maneuver. But it just goes to show that there are alternatives to the classical approach (always friction zone, use back brake only)
You're translation is good, thank you :) this video is now a little bit old, and since then, I hope that my english skills are greater now :)
A part is missing : I don't use only front brake. I use rear brake for u-turn when it is done in streets. But the big difference from the classical approche is the use of inertia, to be able to use less the friction zone. This means that you have t be able to lean at low speed, and to accept that your bike will turn tight even with speed. The rear brake is to compensate during the turn if the speed I have doesn't give me enough time to reach full lock at the end of the turn.
About the use of the front brake, the difference between Moto Gymkhana and circulation is the following: in circulation, I use it a lot right before the turn, to decrease the chase, and less and less while the bike is leaning. This helps to lean, even with speed. Then, the rear brake will be used if there are still to much speed to reach full lock when the bike is leaned.
You can see this better in this new video, especially made to talk about brakes:
ua-cam.com/video/xXyXoFjUyds/v-deo.html
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Thank you, I just watched your new video but I have to watch it a few more times :) A couple of reactions: In the classical approach taught in the US, everyone says that you must always remain in the friction zone when making tight turns, and you must never use the front brake. That's why your videos are a little bit shocking. But a good way to explain what you're doing to an American audience is to say that you're trail braking (most people know that, and understand that trail braking with the front brake keeps the forks compressed, and makes the bike easier to turn). It's just that trail braking is usually a technique for fast cornering, and US students are never taught to use the technique at slow speed. I understand that you don't do it at slow speed either, it's just that you're doing tight turns at a much faster speed than we're accustomed to, and therefore trail braking works. So for me, the clearest way I could summarize what you're doing to people who only know the "classical" way is to say that you're going very fast and you're trail braking on a closed course, but that if you slow down too much you revert to a classical method. Above 10mph (approximately 15km), you are able to trail brake with the front brake. Below 10mph you start occasionally using your rear brake if needed, which allows you to turn even more tightly. Correct?
PS - fyi I suggest using the word "traffic" instead of "circulation". When you're saying "in circulation", I think you mean "in traffic", or "street riding" :)
Oh this is good.
Use shoulder and lean with the bike before the turn, once in the turn, against it and keeping same speed or more
Shoulders should follow the handlebar. This video is old, at this time, I though that I was able to counter lean, but it is an illusion. What is working, is to let the handlebar do its rotation (so follow it with your shoulder), and as long as it turns, slow down, but as soon as it reaches full lock, keep speed :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I found leaning into the handlebars and front tire helps me turn easier.
@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite can you make a video about throttel and clutch control.. love your videos i can touch the footrest while driving but i cant do short u turns like that and i dont know why :D
Leaning the bike is not the only condition to do this turns :) you have to let the handlebar turns itself :)
I keep thinking that my motorcycle will fall if i turn the handlebars... Seems like i have to give it a try....
Wish me luck :)
By the way i love your gymkhana Videos you got some mad skills 8)
lol don't turn it by yourself!!! be careful :) just lean, brake smoothly with rear brake to help to slow down if it is too fast, but let it turn itself, thanks to the leaning of the bike :)
Thx will try next time :)!
practice practice practice.
start with big circles.
then as you get more comfortable the circle gets a little smaller.
then practice some more, until you can turn on a dime with confidence and do it with a smile.
that’s why we ride motorcycles, it’s supposed to be fun, so have fun.
Practice doesn't solve the problem for everybody ;)
But I do agres with "it is supposed to be fun" :)
Huge thanks to u!!
You're welcome :)
very interesting
Thank you :)
I have three very important questions which is critical to my success. Kindly respond if you see this question.
1. Are you using cruise control to naintain your speed with your hands away from throttle or you are using the momentum gained during initial throttle roll after you started from a stop ?
2. Do you recommend applying the front brake just before leaning and profressively trailing off the front brake as you start leaning the bike and increase the rear brake pressure to turn more while you are leaned ? wherher combination of using both both brake required or one of them is enough for success and safety
3. what s0eed range needs to be mauntained before leaning the bike for success ?
1. It depends on the moment: when I play Moto Gymkhana, I just increase the idle with the screw, but in real life, I have to increase it with the throttle.
2. First option, with trail braking with both brakes, and use only the rear when the bike is leaned if you did a mistake with the trail braking, and you need to fix your braking.
3. The speed depends on how much the bike can rotate... so the speed will not be the same with a BMW 1200RT than with a GSXR1000 :)
Do you pull in the clutch to friction zone during slow speed u-turn? 3:57 and 5:19 Did you also apply some rear break? I'm trying these tight turns myself.
No, I don't pull the clutch in the friction zone from the beginning of the turn: first, I have speed, so I pull the clutch to have no engine brake, and I use the rear brake when the bike is leaned to make it turn shorter. I search the friction point of the clutch when I am in full lock rotation.
If you want to to try, please watch this other video first, it helps to understand why the bike will not fall :
ua-cam.com/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/v-deo.html
Hey, can you please make a video on step by step. For u turn and that whole circle. Thank you.
Hey, no, sorry, it will takes too much time for me :(
That no hand turning is wild...that some amazing skills
Thank you :)
hi from where i can get those crash steel bars for my Hornet. i m green with bike and recently I broke the head lamp while falling
Hi, the one I found for my Honda CBR was made by Crazy Iron, from Russia :)
i am looking for my Honda Hornet 2012. actaually i need the one for the handle bars and rear stuff
@2:14 What's that chiptune? It sounds familiar... It's no Dubmood, it's no Maktone...
You can see all music at the very end of the movie :)
At 5:22, did you use the front or rear brake? Thanks
Both :)
In this video, you can see advantages of which brakers, and it hleps to know which one do you use and for what :
ua-cam.com/video/xXyXoFjUyds/v-deo.html
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite so I guess you were using both brakes to slow down promptly before the turn and as you entered into and during the turn, you were using just the rear one for that slow speed u turn am I right? I need your answer cos I am practicing on my bike thank you
One thing, it looks like you're looking at the cone you're riding around. You'll likely have much better results if you look at the cone on the opposite end of your course when turning.
You're doing far better than a lot of riders, but if you look to the next cone you'll likely find that the turns get even better. It's a bit unnerving to not be looking anywhere near where the bike is pointed, but it will improve the result a lot.
I do'nt believe in the look, sorry... I don't think I am an amazing rider, I just ride a different way :)
And as you can see it here (because it seems that the demonstration with the FJR was not enough, although I am able to turn tighter than police officers lol), the look is not the key, when you can ride diffently than you are used too:
ua-cam.com/video/MBtl45fbKh8/v-deo.html
very interesting!
Thank you :)
funny I have been riding for years took an msf course kustvto save money on insurance and I actually learned this and so many great techniques. .well with the money spent for the confidence you gain and new skills
:)
Wow, Id love to have a course with those guys and learn some practicalities on my bike like good cornering and some mad gymkhana ! Any chance you operate in Belgium too ? or near the border ?
:) You will be welcome, as we have already some people from Belgium that cam to do a training course here (and some came from Taïwan, Abu dhabi, Turquie....)
We are in Metz, near the Luxembourg border. Do you think it is closed enough to come ? :)
yes ! can I contact you by mail or such please let me know !
Yes, but I don't really like to give my email here... if you have facebook, please contact me on my page, it is Anti Pilote de Ligne Droite,a nd if not, we have a website www.antipilotedelignedroite.fr, there is an English section, don't worry :)