Being Honest About Your Martial Art • Ft. Burton Richardson and Matt Thornton
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Burton Richardson of JKD Unlimited and Matt Thornton of SBG International talk the past, present and future of martial arts. What it means to be honest about your martial art, how Jeet Kune Do evolved over the years, what myths are common in self defense and much more.
Learn more about Burton Richardson here: jkdunlimited.com/
For more SBG International BJJ and MMA instructional videos check: www.sbguniversity.com
Also, check the BJJ Q&A with founder of SBG Matt Thornton here: • Gi vs No Gi & Rolling ...
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Learn more about Burton Richardson here: jkdunlimited.com/
For more SBG International BJJ and MMA instructional videos check: www.sbguniversity.com
Great interview! I used to train at JKD Unlimited in the early to mid 2000s when I was stationed in Hawaii with the Navy. I remember catching cabs nearly every day just so I could make it out to the Palolo Hongwangji in time for class. I knew about him from growing up in the 90's and reading his "Burt Offering" columns in Black Belt Magazine. His classes are so great because he teaches the principles behind classical JKD but also always up-to-date on the newest MMA/BJJ techniques. For example, I remember one class where we learned some Randy Couture-style grappling and another where we focused on Vitor Belfort style "straight blast". Burton is a great teacher, a legend in the martial arts community, and honestly one of the best experiences I've had during my time in Hawaii. Thanks for this!
I spent years training in Kenpo Karate learning hundreds of sequences and moves I couldn't make work, rarely sparring. When we sparred, it was so different, just like any other karate style. It highlighted that 90% of what was being trained had no application in sparring and existed in the hypothetical choreographed space of "the street". I'm not saying there is nothing to learn from the training but when the sparring doesn't reflect it, you can't stress test it. I started BJJ and never looked back. Everything we learn we can stress test and sure you will have people that argue that their eye gouges and groin strikes are dangerous and effective but I don't want to gamble my life on a technique I've only pretended at. The BJJ techniques that will literally kill I've practised and learned against full resistance. We can prove the efficacy of our techniques by getting the tap. This is why sports martial artists always run over traditional martial artists in sparring.
I met Dan Inosanto about 20 years ago in a few seminars and I remember him saying that to a group of about 100 people , " there's fighting and there's the art I live teaching the art." I was always impressed by him. My own issues with my 1st jkd instructors was based in my perception of the art and then discovering the limitations. In my early 20s i was young and didnt realize until in my mid twenties I went to a new school and I got taken apart (by a very well controlled by and skilled instructor) during full contact sparring all my training went out the window. It left me devastated at first because i was thinking " how could this happen ive never had that happen" it was almost like the 5 stages of grief. Onece I hit acceptance I went back and earned how much my skills relied on these static and unrealistic scenarios. And aliveness with a progressive intensity of sparring ultimately gave me the context to hone my fighting skills. Watching this is literally therapeutic for me as a jkd student. Martial arts training is a huge part of me and mostly I train solo because i find no schools nearby offer me exactly a good balance of the way i need to train. Fantastic, humble and awe inspiring discussion. Gives me hope that I may find a place to continue my training with like minded people.
This is fantastic! I've been talking about this for years and I've never heard anybody explain it more concisely than both of you. Thank you so much.
I didn't watch the whole thing yet, but I will. What I find fascinating is JKD originated from Bruce Lee, who created JKD to get away from the traditional ways and mindset of traditional CMA. And with him gone all these years his creation has turned exactly into this static thing that he was against at the time. How ironic it is! Fascinating piece here. Just goes to show you, and this is a very important lesson to all martial arts, is an art can easily morph into something else and away from the originator's intent. And JKD isn't even that old! Can't imagine MA's with a thousand years lineage.
Just as Bruce Lee wrote in his article, "Liberate Yourself from Classical Karate."
This evolving using what works for you is the true essence of JKD not the systems we were taught in JKD.
That's 100% correct and the true essence of Bruce Lee's message. His way is not our way.
You 1000% right! Bruce always taught privately because he wanted to individualize the approach to martial arts, to JKD.
Thank you for this elegant conversation, awesome !!!
*I am just a fan of SBG system*, I can't believe I haven't discovered all this material much more earlier. Developing character by going through adversity, over and over again, is so important. Aliveness, aliveness, aliveness, ... Matt is a genius.
2 outstanding artists, fighters, and human beings. Thank you for all your contributions to the field. I learned a ton from both and those experiences have been solid life lessons.
Just watching now, pure gold. Thank you both
My two favorite JKD guys and two of the best instructors in the world.
You think this is JKD?
What an outstanding interview! Thank you both gentlemen
Amazing exchange. So much truth, nuance, and perspective. Thanks to you both.
Thanks a lot for such a illuminating and thought-provoking conversation. Simply extraordinary
This is the way I think about it: I enjoy FMA. I appreciate both the aesthetics and the history of the Filipino arts - and I believe they offer something in the way of self-defense. That being said, I also like to think critically about my training because my ultimate goal is to be able to protect myself and my loved ones. So in addition, I train functional standup (incidentally, a blend of JKD and Muay Thai) and grappling to fill the gaps in FMA. I consider this part of my training “paying my dues.” Because even though FMA is my true love, I wouldn’t be able to take myself seriously as a martial artist if I didn’t have strong standup and grappling.
props 2 u matt 4 shaking things up
That was an amazing conversation.
Fascinating discussion! Thanks so much for posting this.
Just amazing stuff 🙂 Thanks guys for sharing 🙂
Burt, I trained with you in the late 90s. I remember the JKD world shake up that SBG was back then. I wish you nothing but the best in your journey. Burt you are such a sincere martial artist, and more importantly such a sincere person.
Joe, your my idol in the cyber world and to know you do the art adds on to my respect for you.
@@taiquangong9912 thanks bud. I don't see very many cyber security people on this side of the fence with functional martial arts.
The purpose of martial arts is functionality. I got into the martial arts because I use to get picked on. Being a young black male in the hood you better be able to defend yourself. Many martial arts are crowd pleasers. Im trying to go home at night.
I enjoyed this very much. Thank you.
Excited to be starting our journey at SBG in 2024!
Brilliant interview.
Absolutely wonderful conversation. Can't wait to see and train with you both!
Hey Man you taught me with Marrese and Ray at 3R 😁
Matt , I really respect what you and your team have done for the martial arts , you did not try to rescue dead arts , you moved to what worked period . To many years working on delivery systems that are simply flawed is wasted time .
Burton doesn’t age, I remember being in seminars 20+ years ago in the Sacramento area, and he still looks the same.
Use what works, discard what doesn't (y) Always be honest!
Great conversation. I'd rather focus on mastering a handful of techniques than spend one class each on a book full.
Excellent interview.
Thank you.
Now this was very enlightening. And it confirmed many of my personal suspicions. Especially the part about the big apes ( like the one on the fellow's shirt) who were the few that hung around the cavemen-style gyms in the early 90s.
fantastic conversation. surprised only 10k views.
I don’t know Matt personally but we need more people like him to tell the truth
Matt, what do you feel is in the future for BJJ w/ this Covid-19 and the social distancing concept that is being forced on us ?
I train BJJ and Kali. Best of both worlds 🙂.
Good podcast tho I have to say something about Paul Vunaks Self protection vs self perfection. I am an instructor under Vu and as many know he was the first JKD practitioner to champion the benefits of BJJ GJJ and actually just got his B.B. in submission Grappling btw after all these years. Paul always makes a clear distinction between what’s functional and what’s flowery and even in sport BJJ there’s things you can pull off that you can’t do if you allow strikes or stomps even lot of sport BJJ guys will tell you they wouldn’t try berimbolos or pull Guard in a street fight but for sport it’s fun to practice and you do it for the love the sport/art. As far as weapons go that’s why I got more into fencing cause it’s like other combat sports your actually going up resisting opponents though I still keep some of the techniques from Kali Escrima.
Thank you guys…
Myths of self defense exist among those who have never experienced an attack. For some of us, the myths are self evident.
Went to your seminar in 97 in Johannesburg dude was jacked yet fast Interesting to see how he has developed i.e less ego
Kudos. You guys are great because you, like Bruce, use scientific method to search for the Truth in combat. In the end functional MAs are all about combat Boxing and Wrestling. However, most people can't train in that way. Traditional MAs give people a way to exercise and learn about how to nurture and develop their bodies not become high level fighters. In other words art is not combat.
One of the best in JKD!
That's easy, compare to no one... It's for spiritual growth and exercise 🕊️💖🕊️
Jeet Kune Do is no limitation as limitation and no way as way.. A JKD practitioner is to be able to fit into all styles but not of them and to strive to be simple direct and non-classical and to not have fixed patterns. If people just follow what Bruce said problem solved. JKD is very relevant as Bruce Lee said it's just a name get over it.
Jeet Kune Do have core techniques that should be learn and presdure tested. If we don't spar, we are doing dry land swimming.
@@taiquangong9912 , very true I totally agree. All my JKD training had aliveness and realness but I guess some people are not doing what Bruce was preaching. I think the biggest thing I learned from my training was how to think.
Hi there sir! So I pretty much agree with stuff you say. I would love to hear your thoughts on specific close range tools within PFS and their execution. Do you think that stuff should not be trained? Specifically the Blast, eye-gouging, head butts, knees, elbows, arm wrenches, etc. We are always taught using the helmet and "actually doing it" was essential. I thought it was fun! lol! That's why I do not mind getting hit. I do not like it but you get used to checking out. It teaches you more than anything. I think interception as a principle is dope when applied in sparring. You can see if you can actually do it. The "before, during, and after drills are cool but nothing teaches interception like trying to just do it.
Free Spar, or better yet spar and compete in various styles, see how well your experience works in action. Go beyond theory. Also, i feel we should "Know thy limitations" regarding any art as well as any human, and enjoy the journey of your art, no matter how street effective it is!
What are the belts/certificates in JKD (I thought Bruce Lee didn't use belts/certificates in JKD)
Matt , have you trained with Taki Kumira ?
How do you feel about wing chun? I practiced karate and a small amount of Taekwondo when I was young and I never found it to be all that practical unless you were fighting for points. Now that I am 39 years old I've been practicing Wing Chun and I'm very impressed with my Sifus abilities. Not to mention, it's more sincere and closer to my heart than any other martial art. I feel that wing chuns approach, where strength and athleticism is less important than foundation and form, it creates unbelieveable advantages. Your thoughts on wing chun?
Wang Chung sucks. That's my thought.
Funny how the outcast from JKD blew the whistle on their BS and now he is the guy they all look to and follow...BJJ has had a very profound impact on JKD and all arts. But BJJ is good for only one on one and on the ground because the second there is a knife involved or multiple attackers BJJ is not the way to go, you cannot solve all your problems on the ground with BJJ, sometimes you MUST STAY ON YOUR FEET or die.
@C Delaney I agree 100%. We have to train BJJ to survive in a fight today and if you can do that, then you have a better chance to take the fight in a direction you want to go instead of getting into a bad situation on the ground you can't escape. I'm just saying BJJ guys just thinking their ground game will save them in a life street fight when their is a second attacker they are very mistaken. Stay on the ground is not the best place in a real fight in the street.
32:00 at this time what grandmaster swordsman are you talking about? The name Richard said I couldn't understand
Antonio “Tatang” Illustrismo
31:13 what was the name of this guy? I couldn't understand what he was saying when he said "trained with"...
Someone else answered the question: Antonio "Tatang" Illustrismo
ME IM A FIGHTER,,NAMES OF FIGHTING METHODS DO NOT IMPRESS ME WHAT WORKS IN A FIGHT IS WHAT IMPRESSES ME
Do u do seminars?
My instructor/teacher/sifu changed traditional jkd to a billy blanks workout everyone complain about the pak sao pain 😆
I still get butt hurt about jkd. I dedicated years to it and what opened my eyes was when I would field test the techniques and I would fail over and over then end up resulting to the lowest common denominator of my training and experience .now some of it is that im not that good or tough but mostly the system is flawed. The butt hurt of the heart knowing that I was sold a fugazi sucks I love bruce Lee but I cant look at him or jkd with the same love that I had in the beginning of my journey.
Did you actually spar or atleast pressure test during 90% of your training? If not then its just the school you trained at you need to be blaming
@@ThepurposeofTime Ever seen any boxer change to strong side forward?? I think Michael Moorer did, but thats it as far as I know. So if one person out of thousands upon thousands did it, what does that say about the technique...
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quite a lot of fighters labelled "the best fighter ever" are right handed south paw
Also when you're at a higher level you should know how to fight both ways anyway
I'm with you 100%! My buddy, Peter Woodruff was a JKD instructor in the mid 90s and he trained for years with Inosanto and other JKD instructors in CA and I never jumped on the band wagon because I knew he was not a well versed hard core fighter. I stuck to judo, karate from Okinawa, boxing, Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiujitsu. Vunak and other stole peoples money over the years and now we know they were all a big joke and full of shit.
Don't hate Bruce Lee. Those fell off the path cause problems.
As far as the 'silat' part of this conversation goes ... I have to say, I have heard of a lot of Americans talk about their 'silat' and demonstrate/teach it ... etc. I trained myself all throughout Indo from 1975 through 1882. Most of it is total compliant-based bullshit! The style I trained in - we did lots of bag-work and sparring. When our team took that to the first World Silat championships in Jakarta in '82 - we cleaned up. Three of our team, winning gold by the 3-knockdown rule. We never saw any of these traditional 'silat' guys competing - they just were too deadly I guess!!! And so, like grappling styles, there are many different ways to approach 'silat'. In fact there are literally many hundreds of different/localised Silat systems. It's all fine for 'Larping' purposes - for the preservation of these esoteric arts - but for fighting, come on ... boxing, wrestling - BJJ. Simple. Most of the smart old school guys I know, who were considered to be high level teachers of JKD - simply evolved. They took up BJJ and MMA. Perhaps those who are still holding on to it ... are probably making a living from it and are reluctant to abandon their little income stream. Very often it's just safest to stay with what you know - than out yourself put there in the 'bigger pond'. Things will eat you out there.
Back in the 70s if you studied karate or boxing , that was enough in most situations. Punching hard and being strong was enough . Wrestlers were tough to . Now we have To be good in striking and grappling plus worry if its enough .
One of things I heard is going for the neck. Actually if you capture the neck or head good game changer.
What about Paul Vunak version of JKD, isn't that more affective?
Sifu Paul was an early proponent of field testing his material to find out what worked and what didn't.
Paul Vunak taught Navy SEALs hand-to-hand combat. They must have found "something" he taught to be valuable.
I also believe that any mashallah you need to practice also with resistance to see if it really works. I seen some school that really don't practice resistance. Where's therr student.. no name but no schoolthat store has been there two or three years and they have
Every did sparring. practice
@Bill Randall Partner/coach puts on eye protection and boxing/mma gloves & feeds partner with said tools say start with a jab,, or only straight pinches or only hooking style ect... or all boxing only.
Partner with mma gloves/headgear maybe shin guards if low kick progression ect.
Progressive resistance. Move around for aliveness. Partner has to flinch as if if poked ect.. put in a few follow up strikes or to clinch or to takedown all in isolation then combine a few ect. Fun fun
For self defense/protective offense you can start static with dialog and threats or add in pushing/shoves emotional climate drills and do isolations as well and the coach/partner has to act its great stuff.
Then you can progress to the martial variations above after the shtf in progression. Great stuff!!
Sooo many variations of drills its crazy how many. You could do Spear/wedge drill and isolations for material like Tony Bleauer/Richard Demetri esc style ballistic micro fight type drilling or go SBG more combat sport style drilling as shared above. Fun fun
Scenerio dictates what you can do in a real situation. Make sure to include what you imply that you poke 1st every time and succeed, maybe you look to counter his punch with pokes, maybe he stiff arms you and goes for a blade or a pistol cc type in that initial exchange ans you have to control the limbs to prevent him getting his hands on his weapon, maybe you poke him but he succeeds at getting his weapon and got it out after he flinched through feel now what? ect..
I saw a skilled BJJ guy get kicked in the face during a fight at a party. The fight had gone to the floor, and a "friend" of the guy who was getting "owned" by the BJJ fighter, ran up and punted the dude's face. Many people can benefit from JKD's "stand up game", provided that it incorpates the right elements of western boxing and Muay Thai.
Maybe what actually has to occur is an understanding of what martial art techniques work best for your specific body type or even personality. Ultimately it becomes very specific to the individual and their personal competence. If you are teaching techniques that are not suitable for a particular body type or don't favor the practitioner's personality, are you not also defrauding the customer?
I like to practice traditional martial arts. I was told that by practicing such arts they would have exercise value, health value, and I would learn a little about self-defense. I don't think I was being lied to. Is self-defense any sort of sole criteria for value? Very few people actually want to be fighters or go through the training and injuries necessary to learn or be such a thing. While I can appreciate the practical skills of such individuals, I have no desire to be such a person. Martial arts schools are trying to sell a product to as big an audience as possible (in order to even stay in business). How do they realistically do so when the emphasis is strictly martial competence? They cannot honestly do so. If you are a classical martial artist, I would emphasize the values of self-disciple, becoming goal oriented, and health benefits. Just be honest with customers about what it actually entails to be a "fighter".
It seems to me that JKD is the OPERATING PRINCIPLES by which all Martial Arts operate. It’s the the GUIDING PRINCIPLES not preset techniques or training methods. Isn’t all tailored to the individual?
What do you guys think about shotokan karate?
😂 if you’re asking… deep down you know the realistic and practical answer.
question: after years of training, do you through the baby out with the bath water and start completely over? Or do you keep aspects of it?
Jeff Christian Heretics Unite! 🤣
- every martial art is good for what it was intended for
- learn and master the 'need to know' techniques of fighting first. then, and only then, move on to the 'nice to know' crap
there you have it, guys. if you didnt know, now you know ;-)
Elements of serak or bukti negara worked for me as a doorman in Boston , New York , some dance nights some hardcore shows . Bikers , suits ties - it worked . Hardly ever had to hit anyone . Used some savate low line kicks . Just my 2 cents .
Burton - people that really want to do you harm ? First be aware , why are you there ? Why is the aggressor there ? Are you A walking victim ?
Are you aware of the stand your ground laws?
38 states - look into it .
Clinching gets you killed if it's a real street attack . Continue with your infomercial ..
FROM WHAT I READ BRUCE LEE WAS VERY GOOD AT CALLING BAD MARTIAL ARTS BULLSHIT,,
I was taught Jkd and have used it in bar fights on the streets what I learned has served me well . I was in a gang in the late 90s and had plenty of opportunity to use my skills . I’ve even see Joe Rogan talk about some dude using trapping in the UFC . Who but is awesome in a clinch 🤔I think tony Ferguson was the one who used trapping in the clinch on the fence. I was taught jujitsu, kali , wing chin , savant , boxing , Thai boxing amongst many other techniques and that’s pretty much mma 🤔
I'm not sure just what it IS, but the last several years, I've
been reading about people Fault-finding against---Not only
Bruce Lee, but JKD. Well crap---Every one's entitled to their
Opinion, but as for Me, Lee's philosophy worked INFINITELY
BETTER than any Karate, or Gung-fu class ever did. Take box-
ing, and combine it with good, solid---Economy of movement
punches and kicks and, Viola,' ya' have yourself a Great found-
ation. BOOM!
"Nuff said."
I find the, "that's not ______ this example is..." Argument, is really just a no true Scotsman fallacy.
I recognize MY limitations with wing chun. While I believe the system to be effective in some aspects. I believe it could be greatly improved with boxing training. Clinch training from Muay Thai and bjj elements as well. I personally incorporate some boxing element in my approach. When I did spar I found it effective against skilled opposition.
to be honest: I'm kind of against the whole idea of I'm JKD sensei, you're JKD student. Bruce Lee trained mostly in wing chun (from what I know) so why don't martial artists learn that first
Some people do learn Wing Chun "first" to get the same base that Bruce Lee started with. One of Bruce Lee's original students, James DeMile actually transitioned from JKD to Wing Chun, and he found that he liked Wing Chun better. DeMile became very proficient in Wing Chun and he made a career out of it. Virgin Australia Airlines contracted DeMile to create a program to train its in-flight cabin and ground crew staff in techniques to neutralize unruly passengers and terrorists. DeMile has trained U.S. Secret Service agents, FBI agents, Federal Marshals, and riot police. So, there's a lot to be said for learning traditional Wing Chun.
Tough to shake the cult.It took me years.Separating the the artform...
Yeah but is it all talk??? Can Burton fight?? Will he shut down after the first punch or kick?? After so many years of "practicing" are you an expert in fighting or in bla bla bla??
Hard questions, for all students and teachers.
"If your training does not empower your mentality to be effectively aggressive, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME." -A.T.
I'm not sure that it's a "good idea" for Burton Richardson to fight at his age, unless he has no other choice. I could say the same thing for Cus D'Mato when he was 60+ years old, training fighters like Floyd Patterson and Mike Tyson.
@@Scorch1028 Of course if he had no choice and of course it's not a good idea. My question has to do with the methodology of training that literally makes one a real fighter. (A rare methodology...)
What does D'mato have to do with it? He was a good boxing trainer, but we don't know how he was as a fighter.
Having said that, meanwhile in real life
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I doubt that he would have a chance in such a fight environment. Having said that, I'm not putting him down, most martial artists wouldn't have a chance in there either (his ways belong to another era). But either your "system" transfoms your mentality and skills to be at least similar to theirs or we have no reason to hear anything from you.
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Can I see any videos of Burton fighting MMA, bjj tournaments, or real street fights? I would like to see him using his techniques in a fight.
He was one of the original Dog Brothers and has done full contact stick fighting back in the day. I’ve trained with him, and I promise you he’s legit.
@@marklanda6824 Dog brothers is knarly! I remember seeing flyers for those events when I was out in San Bernardino county.
I dont think hes ever tournament fought, hes a bjj black belt for yrs and has sparred in functional styles for decades.Hes legit
easy: no perfect all around art exists...CROSS TRAIN, PRESSURE TEST, dont neglect weapons/firearms either..RINSE AND REPEAT!!!
I wonder: If we are so functional and pragmatic, why we keep these names like muay thai, ju jitsu...and so on? why not Stand up fighting and GroundFithing... and so on?
The names dont affect the training if you're goal is self defense or fighting, they are just a testimony to their origin in different arts.
Respect for their teachers and the teacher's traditional culture. That's why.
@@mistermindahenziandalasnus3754 to me the real tradition is the Universal Fighting Matrix, the universal principles of fighting, and not dwelling in partial fighting traditions.
@@sentokan well as you say, that's to you.
@@mistermindahenziandalasnus3754 it was to Bruce Lee too.. so..
Met Burton in Indianapolis and then early 90s at Paul dethours seminar. He had just had his appendix out I remember.
This ironic given that a certain person deletes comments he doesn't like and uses fake testing for his female instructors.
It's a little over analytical, I think you are doing exactly what Bruce Lee did not want, a mechanical man
Why do they call Brazilian Jujitsu, its very clearly Judo.
What do they call it judo when it’s clearly jujitsu ?
Jeet Kune Do was nothing more than strong side forward Sh!tty boxing with a few kicks and a finger jab thrown in. Nothing revolutionary at all.
Compared to the Classical Mess, it was.
Thornton bad mouths people who were part of his journey. His character is questionable. Don't blame the road for its bumps if you chose to travel it. He is a big hypocrite.
He really doesn't like Paul for some reason.
Take any mma match and throw a knife in the cage with the fighters, the first guy to get the knife wins every time.
So Matt is an Atheist? Hmmm
So was Bruce Lee
This is just the Inosanto Academy and JKD instructors like Burt Richardson trying to stay relavant! BJJ and Judo as a base with Muay Thai combined with karate kicks is far more effective than the original JKD fundamentals that consisted of Wing Chun and foot kicks. Think also about all the money Inosanto, Richardson, Vunak and others that have stolen people's money over the years teaching shit that was static and completely ineffective like core JKD and Juan Fan Gung Fu!?! Muay Thai and BJJ alone beats any JKD practitioner as we knew them in the 70s, 80s, 90s and early 2000s.
Mind your business
Richardson = invincible ignorance
#isitjustme
Please explain