"I have so much evidence for God." "Cool, give me one proof." "This evidence is so colossal, it will blow your mind." "Can't wait. Where is it?" "There is so much evidence for God everywhere." "One! Just one!" "Your eyes are closed to the truth."
Lmao it's exactly that. The truth is that they obviously have absolutely no evidence for the existence of god. They are the ones who are too blinded for admit that their imaginary friend does not exist, because THEY are closed to the truth. The mere fact that humans are still debating the existence of god in 2024 is already proof that he doesn't exist. There is absolutely no logical reason for god to "hide" lol, he doesn't need to sneakily hide to "test" humans, testing is a human notion that makes no sense to a god. God is supposed to know everything, to know everything in advance and everything that happens is supposed to be his will, so he does not need to test to know, it's humans who need to test. If god really existed he would not hide and his existence would be a proven fact that everyone would know, he would be visible to everyone and there would be no need to debate his existence. But the truth is that god doesn't exist, their skydaddy is imaginary.
“It’s a very non chauvinistic way to start a book” Meanwhile the book he is advocating for. “God made this planet entirely for humans. Among these humans he had a favorite, the Jews.”
But this was after Big Daddy tried to exterminate everyone because he was dissatisfied with the creatures that were supposedly made in his/her image. Sounds neat, isn't it?
Very much so. Fundamentalist/evangelical Christians have built into their rhetorical framework not merely a justification of ignorance, but a glorification of ignorance (and gullibility) as a religious virtue.
@@steveg1961 Yes, it's the whole 'faith' thing, isn't it? For two thousand years it's been peddled as a virtue, bundled up with hope and charity (which actually are useful). But to any rational person, it's what you have to fall back on when you have zero evidence for what you believe.
@@alfresco8442 The thing is, that hope and charity and other ACTUAL virtues, are actually virtuous in their own regard, while tens of millions of Christians (and other religious believers, such as Muslims) wrap up actually good virtues with totally corrupt things (like gullibility) that are actually anti-virtuous. It's just another example of the corrupt and two-faced nature of religious belief.
@@whizthesugoi earliest version of Yahweh was war god and had ties to mountain (volcano god?). If I remember right, he got thunder and sky under his domains later - after all, religions change and evolve, thus gods change too.
@@valivali8104 Exodus 13:17-22 (NRSVUE) - "When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was nearer, for God thought, 'If the people face war, they may change their minds and return to Egypt.' So God led the people by the roundabout way of the wilderness bordering the Red Sea. The Israelites went up out of the land of Egypt prepared for battle. And Moses took with him the bones of Joseph, who had required a solemn oath of the Israelites, saying, 'God will surely come to you, and then you must carry my bones with you from here.' They set out from Succoth and camped at Etham, on the edge of the wilderness. The Lord went in front of them in a pillar of cloud by day, to lead them along the way, and in a pillar of fire by night, to give them light, so that they might travel by day and by night. Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people." The coolest part of the legendary stories here is the pillar of fire.
Paul would have had a much more revealing conversation with this guy. Matt is a massive jerk and we get nothing from these conversations. We already know he disagrees with the caller, Matt seems surprised.
@@Firestorm12345678910 To go one step further, it would assume that god has eyes that perceive light. Eyes are a physical feature, just as light is a physical phenomenon. So it isn't even about God "needing" light to see, it is about God lacking any physical receptor or physical means to interact with light anyway! Reminds me of the whole "created in His image thing". So God has a physical form from which to copy Himself onto a lesser physical form? If so, either God is VERY far from the perfection put forth in the Bible, or He was using the worst copying machine that could possibly exist (and doing so by choice since God is also all-powerful). Perhaps they meant that our "spirit" (as if we have such a thing) was created in God's image. In that case, we once again have a very imperfect God, though that is at least accurate to the actions God takes in the Bible if not accurate to God's direct description. After all, God demonstrates arrogance, rage, jealousy, hatred, greed, self-importance, and many other traits that are extremely well-represented amongst the human population, then and now...
@@Jedi_Vigilante If God possesses all the senses (seeing, hearing, touch, taste, smell, balancing - maybe I'm missing something, just gonna chuck the entire brain organ in there for good measure etc) then why divide up such attributes in it's human creation? Wouldn't it be more simpler and elegant to have all the senses combined the way god has it combined? Eyes so humans can see, nose so they can smell? I mean why not just create a universe where you do not need to divide...oh wait it's called heaven(!) and God had no troubles whatsoever creating it and inhabiting it with angels and other weird (animal/wheel hybrids etc) looking heavenly creatures/beings. So I'm sure God takes 'pleasure' from creating universes (the act of creating is this God's crack cocaine) but still sucks at the suffering bit. That's right he has reserved a 2nd try...a second try god...no more creating things you need to step away from creating and just accept yourself as who you are...now everyone (deities) please stand up hold hands and pray the prayer of the deities. One step at a time god, one step at a time you will get through this. Imagine this god as a young punk teen with a heavy metal K R E A T O R poster on his wall because he is really into creating despite his "God" parents keep telling him to practice moderation and to always think things through but he just turns up the music and never listens. Yup that's the "type" or "kind" of god we got.
It's incredibly odd when the claim is "this is so clever that mere humans couldn't conceive of it" when we're obviously clever enough to understand it. If we can decode a message, we can necessarily encode the message. Same goes with detecting "patterns" in scripture. It's phenomenally silly.
I think people tend to forget they aren’t significantly smarter in 2024 CE than people were in 2024 BCE. That’s why you keep seeing people say dumb stuff like, “Why are we still dealing with this in 2024?” People have a bias that earlier people weren’t clever or knowledgeable.
If we can decode, then we can encode. Ehm, nope. There are such things as asymmetric ciphers. Not arguing for any god btw, I am an a(nti)theist; I would just like to see good arguments being used.
There are public keys generated by mechanisms invented by people that even a computer would not decode in a million years. But when apologetic numerologists discover patterns in the Bible, whether those are real or not, the claim is, 'humans can't conceive of that.' What? You manage to decode it in a fraction of your lifespan and have the audacity to say that those are divinely inspired, even though they are less complex and secure than the ones people are using to get a verified connection to porn sites? This is why I can't take numerology seriously yet
There are mechanisms used by public keys invented by people that even a computer would not decode in a million years. But when apologetic numerologists discover patterns in the Bible, whether those are real or not, the claim is, 'humans can't conceive of that.' What? You manage to decode it in a fraction of your lifespan and have the audacity to say that those are divinely inspired, even though they are less complex and secure than the ones people are using to get a verified connection to p*rn sites?i can't take numerology seriously.
Ron "thats weak".... Also Ron "I also cant answer in absolutes but i have a pretty strong feeling that its probably definitely true" Oof how embarrassing of Ron.
@@meloveAi "whining about being hung up and Matt being "weak"" Never underestimate a narcissists burning lust to manufacture oppression for themselves when faced with even the most reasonable or minor criticism... Like maybe they shouldn't base their whole epistemology on their "feelz".
Is there a better way to get the readers attention than starting off your book with the assertion that you have the answers to absolutely everything? No evidence, just assertions. Thousands of years later the assertions are shown to be false, but the promise of the simple “answer” found in that first verse is too comforting to overcome.
@@valivali8104 I think it probably makes the same amount of sense that it usually does, which is why they don't pick up on it, and the lack of sense that it makes is just hand waved away as being too big for human minds to comprehend or some other rationalisation
You persist in sharing this same quote on all atheist pages. Or all UA-cam pages? Yes. Voltaire was smart. Maybe try to be original or smart or funny all on your own.
@matthewphilip1977 my 'smart' comment was incidental. My intent was to discourage op from continuing to spam the quote everywhere. You are welcome to your view of Voltaire. I'm not interested in such critique.
HA! I just called him out on that epic failure... of course, they'll never admit to sabotaging their own "arguments," but you and i, and MANY others, know it happened! 😃
But no other book is written like the Bible so it must be proof of god! (or at least I've never read a book like the Bible) (well okay I've never read any other books) (well okay I don't know how to read but my pastor has convinced me this is the case and I believe it because it feels good)
I enjoy that the caller believes gen 1:1 was the earliest writing in the Hebrew Bible because that’s how it was assembled. Probably why he was so worked up about henotheism
Mind you, a human wrote Lords of the rings, Game of thrones (coming from the book), Elden Ring and the Dark souls series and all these books are more impressive than the bible
I often feel the same way but as Matt has said, there may be people struggling with their religion who hear these crackpot arguments made by theists and it helps them to realise its fallacious nature and to deconstruct and free themselves from it.
I continue to watch them because this isn't the only area where humans are wilfully ignorant and believe things without evidence. For instance, the people who are behaving like it's 2019 and haven't accepted the reality of our completely changed world are just as wilfully ignorant. Pretending the "pandemic is over" is just as delusional as this kind of religious belief based on zero evidence.
Honestly, I watch them because they often give good examples of how to deal with logical inaccuracies, and help me learn how to avoid making fallacies of my own or spot them in others.
This becomes especially apparent when you start studying the various versions of bibles as books. Only human beings write books. All bibles, all holy books, are examples of literature. Literature is a form of creative writing. As such, it is not authoritative. Every claim in any piece of literature has to be assessed individually, based on evidence. I started my studies with these books, which are now a permanent part of my library: Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard S Friedman God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction, by Dan Barker Did Moses Exist? by Acharya S. Jesus: Mything in Action, parts 1, 2, and 3, by David Fitzgerald Jesus the Magician, by Morton Smith Jesus Never Existed, by Kenneth Humphreys The Illusion of God's Presence, by John C Wathey & more... see bibliographies. 🎉
Plus, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 tell different creation myths which disagree with each other about basically everything! But believers act like both are true! 🤦🏼♀️
And out wit them he did. He presented the Bible which apparently apologia and Matt have never read. Yeah yeah he said the Bible was divine and he presented the Bible to prove it was divine yeah that would slam dunk check mate atheists.
@@visforvegan8How dare you be sarcastic on the Internet. Don’t you know it’s entirely your responsibility and not mine to work out who’s being sarcastic or sincere?
@@Leith_Crowther I'm always sincere, Madame. Except, when I'm not. Do you want to play chess? I learned from the best, Edward Current. He can checkmate any atheist with his masterfulness.
He hadn't heard of the Enuma Elish at the start of the call. Later on he's saying "If you read two sentences later" Did he read the whole thing during the call?
Every one of these theist calls where they say " I have evidence that God is real" or "I can prove the bible is divine in origin" all turn out to be another way for them to say "I have faith and it's so sure that it's absolutely sure." Great. That clears everything right up.🙄
What i think is amazing is that the caller has read every book ever written. To make the claim that no other book has ever begun the same is a grand statement.
Your appology is a load of crap, totally not sincere. I'm sure you appologized profusely for inflicting Jon on us as well. Then you followed up with Ron. Shame on you, Canada.
As a fellow Canadian myself, I often have to remind myself that most of the country is VERY rural and VERY spread apart. Take it from me, don't visit the Rockies or Alberta.
People just want, or need, to believe in a God, and Ron - CA is a perfect example. Because of that, they've developed defensive barriers preventing them from seeing the flaws in their epistemology even when it's clearly and rationally pointed out to them Special pleading. Other than the idiots who go with "My God is real because I say so" type arguments, that's all it is.
Who is more likely to have stolen the cookie from the cookie jar? Little Timmy? I can prove he exists and is capable. A burglar? Burglars exist and a known to steal. A grizzly bear? Bears probably like cookies. God? The Bible says he exists but is unclear of his stance on cookies. Just to be safe, I'm going with the bear.
Based on my thorough research of the bears inhabiting Jellystone Park and their predilection for stealing pic-a-nic baskets, I'd definitely go with the bear.
@@Leith_CrowtherI’ve read the first part of Genesis quite a few times and I’m none the wiser. I challenge someone, anyone, to construct animation that illustrates exactly what it says about creating the heavens and the earth, especially that bit where there’s a firmament and water and stuff. Personally, I don’t think it’s possible but who knows. Perhaps god could do a UA-cam video!
@@cmack171. In the Bible there is one. ‘The heavens’ is just a colloquialism. In reality, there are zero. 2. No, and no. Something has to exist before it can understand things. You really just came here for an argument, though.
@leithcrowther6086 1. Not at all. I am an atheist. Those questions were intended towards theists who are making these claims. This should have been obvious. 2. This entire goddamned channel exists primarily "just to argue". Did you not realize that? 2. Even if that was not the case, you could have ignored my comment.
as long as we talk about mythology and fables legolas, a sindarin elf, is good friends with aragorn and gimli and worships manwe and his wife elbereth.
I think my favorite part about Ron, and really theists in general, is how he talks shit as soon as he's put into a corner, but as sson as he's put into his place, he immediately crumbles into submisssion.
Imagine claiming that the Bible is a non-chauvinistic book. “The first sentence doesn’t mention humans! The rest of the book is all about how we’re the special creation and god loves us and god gave us the world to rule over and how we are the most special-ist people out of all the people but the first sentence doesn’t mention humans!”
The Silmarillion actually spends FAR more time on the doings of its Supreme God and Lesser Gods and pseudo-angels before even mentioning humans (or even elves) than the Bible could if it completely rearranged itself to avoid humans for as long as possible. But of course, Ron's argument would be that The Silmarillion was *inspired* by the Bible, and therefor didn't require direct divine intervention to be created... while ignoring the fact that the writers of the Bible would be flunked out of every college program in the world for blatant plagiarism...
That is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard of for the divinity of god, or really, in general. "It was written this way therefore it mustn't be of man and therefore must of a god or showcasing the divinity of a god." That's basically his argument. I can demonstrate the invalidity of that immediately by just merely writing what Genesis 1:1 says myself. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Am I divine for writing that? Like come on.
"Gods don't have offspring" says the guy quoting from the text of a religion based on the blood sacrifice of the son of a god. Source? Matthew 1:1. 🤦♂️😂
This is the most asinine call I've ever heard. The Bible's divine because the Bible's divine ooh brilliant stop smoking weed dude. Or start smoking weed maybe. I read the Bible and I found it and absolutely horrific book of no value. It was insanely stupid insanely tribalistic bad morals a wasting my time.
Silmarillion chapter 1 verse 1: "There was Eru, The One, who in Arda is called Illuvatar; and he created first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, who were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aut else was made." If Genesis cant be man made then this cant be man made.
Star Wars is clearly supernatural since it starts with “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away”. No way a human came up with that, they would have started with “we all come from different galaxies at different times”.
The Enuma Elis is not "the" Mesopotamian creation myth. It is a Babylonian myth that does give an account of creation but focuses more on the triumph of Marduk over the older gods, especially Tiamat. In older Sumerian creation myths, primordial chaos goddess Nammu is characterized as a benevolent mother not an evil dragon like Tiamat. Also, the meaning of the words enuma elish is more like "when on high".
@paulogia is my favourite in general. Very East to listen to and very knowledgeable after clearly learning his subject. If you don't already you should watch his content, super easy on the ear.
I still never understand why these calls have delays. Is it something inherent to the phone system being used? I don’t see delays in any other program we use in our daily work lives so could someone explain this thing to me?
Just for fun, whenever I stay in a hotel room, I find the Gideon Bible, I go to Genesis 1, and I cross out “In the beginning” and write “Once upon a time.” It seems more appropriate.
“It’s not ethno-centric” It’s literally about god creating people, picking his favorite, pardoning their crimes against humanity and condemning everyone else to hell…
Half of the epistles traditionally attributed to Paul are forgeries. 1 Peter and 2 Peter - also forgeries. Plus, multiple verses in other books are later interpolations not contained in the oldest manuscripts (the Pericope Adulterae, Comma Johanneum, long ending of Mark, etc.). All of the gospels were written by anonymous authors decades after the events they supposedly describe. And the gospels present contradictory accounts. Speaking of contradictions - the Bible is full of them. Archeologists have been unable to find evidence supporting the story in Exodus and have come to the conclusion that it never happened. The Bible is interesting, I'll give it that. But it is riddled with problems.
The first sentence of the Bible in Hebrew is 'Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.' The third word in that sentence is 'Elohim.' And, 'Elohim' did not mean 'God' in ancient Hebrew. Rather, it meant 'the sons and daughters of 'El.' And, 'El' was both the ancient Israelite’s and Canaanite's supreme god. So, in light of all of that, let’s take a look at a more accurate translation of the first sentence in Genesis: 'In the beginning the sons and daughters of El (the gods) created the Universe (or everything).' Also, in Genesis, Chapter 2, the Torah introduces 'YHVH (Yahweh/Jehovah). And, Elohim and YHVH are two distinctly gods. Therefor, for Ron to claim that The Book of Genesis claims that there is but only one god, only proves that Ron is sadly lacking in his knowledge of ancient Hebrew/Semite/Middle Eastern history.
I feel like theists need to first agree amongst themselves about which denomonation of their religion is true, before attempting to convince an atheist.
The Quran states “Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days"….By this metric, this caller would have to accept that this claim is divinely instituted, unless they resort to special pleading.
My family bible proves Ron here is right. Every time god speaks in it, the text has turned red. If divine power wasn't in it, the lettering would be black.
"I AM SINGULARLY IMPRESSED BY THE WORDS FROM THIS BOOK! THEY'RE SO MONUMENTAL THAT THEY MUST HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY A GOD" -- a quote taken from the least literate, most easily impressed thrall ever. Honestly, if a being beyond time and space wrote words of wisdom, I'd expect SO much more than the primitive tripe written by some slavers.
If god is perfect, why did he create such flawed creations as human beings - unless he designed those flaws in, in which case punishing people for his intentional design flaws would be an example of his lack of "perfection" (unless lack of justice and compassion are "perfect" somehow).
"I am perfect IN *ALL THINGS*....Now behold my incredibly flawed and frequently hostile creations, that break randomly sometimes, are born with a disease and didnt even listen to me when i was the only parent. My almightyness is unquestionable!!!!" 😂😂😂
Proof of the divine. In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Douglas Adams
This is awful to listen to. Where did Matt and Paul come up with this caller. I'm afraid I would have insisted the caller give a different example than Genesis 1:1. Why not explain how 1 Kings 19:11 fits the bill? Or, pick any other one there is, the number of choices for which is estimated to be over 2000. Please.
To Ron, a president or king is probably a "higher authority" and must be a god because of how differently they speak compared to men with lower positions. Hero worship of leaders and celebrities make me sick. No human deserves to rule others. None!
Just curious, since I love learning new things. @paulogia said that the Enuma Elish starts "It began.." and so I thought it was interesting and went to read some translations. All the ones found didn't start that way, they start "When on high". Is "When on high" correlated to "It began" in the original text or are there translations that I didn't find?
10:10 Every other book is about people? Guy hasn't read a whole lot of books, eh? You know another "non chauvenistic"😂 way to start a book? "Once upon a time..." Also, the Bible was written by man - Matthew, Luke, John etc. - not God. Which is why the first sentence it says "In the beginning, God created heaven and earth." If it was in first person, it would be, "I".
"I have so much evidence for God."
"Cool, give me one proof."
"This evidence is so colossal, it will blow your mind."
"Can't wait. Where is it?"
"There is so much evidence for God everywhere."
"One! Just one!"
"Your eyes are closed to the truth."
... often followed by "what kind of evidence would convince you?"... 😂🤦♂
"look at the trees!"
It’s almost like they do it on purpose to piss off people willing to think about it
"Well I'm not here to prove god"
"Well I'm not here to argue"
"Well you won't let me speak"
Lmao it's exactly that. The truth is that they obviously have absolutely no evidence for the existence of god. They are the ones who are too blinded for admit that their imaginary friend does not exist, because THEY are closed to the truth.
The mere fact that humans are still debating the existence of god in 2024 is already proof that he doesn't exist. There is absolutely no logical reason for god to "hide" lol, he doesn't need to sneakily hide to "test" humans, testing is a human notion that makes no sense to a god. God is supposed to know everything, to know everything in advance and everything that happens is supposed to be his will, so he does not need to test to know, it's humans who need to test. If god really existed he would not hide and his existence would be a proven fact that everyone would know, he would be visible to everyone and there would be no need to debate his existence. But the truth is that god doesn't exist, their skydaddy is imaginary.
Flippity floppity bloopity bloop, snickle snackle snurfle snurf. Zippity zap, wibble wobble wubble wub. Gobbledygookity gookity goo, blibber blabber bloo. Thererfore god.
No, no. Dop-pop, zippity do. Therefore, Vishnu.
You convinced me.
I could go for some snickle snackle right about now
@@Farce13Hahahahahaha!!! Me too... maybe! You never know. LOL
You forgot fergle-burgle minergle-burgle.
“It’s a very non chauvinistic way to start a book”
Meanwhile the book he is advocating for. “God made this planet entirely for humans. Among these humans he had a favorite, the Jews.”
But this was after Big Daddy tried to exterminate everyone because he was dissatisfied with the creatures that were supposedly made in his/her image. Sounds neat, isn't it?
Wait until he gets to the bit where God kills everyone and every animal apart from 1 family, because he hates them.
and men. Women are accessories. Talking about chauvinistic
One could make a stronger case that the planet was made for microbes.
@@philarmstrong3765 or even fkin fish.
This show is like some phone-in Dunning-Kruger Pride rally. "I'm ignorant as f**k and proud of it."
😂😂😂😂 nailed it
I can’t help but hear that every time someone says “I’m a god fearing Christian”
Oh no, it’s broken 😔
Very much so. Fundamentalist/evangelical Christians have built into their rhetorical framework not merely a justification of ignorance, but a glorification of ignorance (and gullibility) as a religious virtue.
@@steveg1961 Yes, it's the whole 'faith' thing, isn't it? For two thousand years it's been peddled as a virtue, bundled up with hope and charity (which actually are useful).
But to any rational person, it's what you have to fall back on when you have zero evidence for what you believe.
@@alfresco8442 The thing is, that hope and charity and other ACTUAL virtues, are actually virtuous in their own regard, while tens of millions of Christians (and other religious believers, such as Muslims) wrap up actually good virtues with totally corrupt things (like gullibility) that are actually anti-virtuous.
It's just another example of the corrupt and two-faced nature of religious belief.
All this torture and horror over a lesser known war god from the Middle East for a specific tribe.
Weird fucking world man.
Exactly! The book of Joshua was a major factor leading me to becoming an atheist.
Wasn't he initially the storm god? Or was he both?
@@whizthesugoi earliest version of Yahweh was war god and had ties to mountain (volcano god?). If I remember right, he got thunder and sky under his domains later - after all, religions change and evolve, thus gods change too.
Totally agree.
@@valivali8104 Exodus 13:17-22 (NRSVUE) -
"When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was nearer, for God thought, 'If the people face war, they may change their minds and return to Egypt.' So God led the people by the roundabout way of the wilderness bordering the Red Sea. The Israelites went up out of the land of Egypt prepared for battle. And Moses took with him the bones of Joseph, who had required a solemn oath of the Israelites, saying, 'God will surely come to you, and then you must carry my bones with you from here.' They set out from Succoth and camped at Etham, on the edge of the wilderness. The Lord went in front of them in a pillar of cloud by day, to lead them along the way, and in a pillar of fire by night, to give them light, so that they might travel by day and by night. Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people."
The coolest part of the legendary stories here is the pillar of fire.
I love how Paul just holds up the mug, "For the bible tells me so", with a smirk.
This show really need a "For the bible tells me so" jingle button.
That was epic.
Paul would have had a much more revealing conversation with this guy. Matt is a massive jerk and we get nothing from these conversations. We already know he disagrees with the caller, Matt seems surprised.
At 22:21 for those like me that didn't see it.
"In the beginning" = "Once upon a time".
Why did god create light in the beginning if god does not need light to see? That doesn't make sense.
@@Firestorm12345678910 To go one step further, it would assume that god has eyes that perceive light. Eyes are a physical feature, just as light is a physical phenomenon. So it isn't even about God "needing" light to see, it is about God lacking any physical receptor or physical means to interact with light anyway!
Reminds me of the whole "created in His image thing". So God has a physical form from which to copy Himself onto a lesser physical form? If so, either God is VERY far from the perfection put forth in the Bible, or He was using the worst copying machine that could possibly exist (and doing so by choice since God is also all-powerful).
Perhaps they meant that our "spirit" (as if we have such a thing) was created in God's image. In that case, we once again have a very imperfect God, though that is at least accurate to the actions God takes in the Bible if not accurate to God's direct description. After all, God demonstrates arrogance, rage, jealousy, hatred, greed, self-importance, and many other traits that are extremely well-represented amongst the human population, then and now...
@@Jedi_Vigilante If God possesses all the senses (seeing, hearing, touch, taste, smell, balancing - maybe I'm missing something, just gonna chuck the entire brain organ in there for good measure etc) then why divide up such attributes in it's human creation? Wouldn't it be more simpler and elegant to have all the senses combined the way god has it combined?
Eyes so humans can see, nose so they can smell? I mean why not just create a universe where you do not need to divide...oh wait it's called heaven(!) and God had no troubles whatsoever creating it and inhabiting it with angels and other weird (animal/wheel hybrids etc) looking heavenly creatures/beings.
So I'm sure God takes 'pleasure' from creating universes (the act of creating is this God's crack cocaine) but still sucks at the suffering bit. That's right he has reserved a 2nd try...a second try god...no more creating things you need to step away from creating and just accept yourself as who you are...now everyone (deities) please stand up hold hands and pray the prayer of the deities. One step at a time god, one step at a time you will get through this.
Imagine this god as a young punk teen with a heavy metal K R E A T O R poster on his wall because he is really into creating despite his "God" parents keep telling him to practice moderation and to always think things through but he just turns up the music and never listens.
Yup that's the "type" or "kind" of god we got.
is god circumcised ?
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Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
It's incredibly odd when the claim is "this is so clever that mere humans couldn't conceive of it" when we're obviously clever enough to understand it. If we can decode a message, we can necessarily encode the message. Same goes with detecting "patterns" in scripture. It's phenomenally silly.
I think people tend to forget they aren’t significantly smarter in 2024 CE than people were in 2024 BCE. That’s why you keep seeing people say dumb stuff like, “Why are we still dealing with this in 2024?” People have a bias that earlier people weren’t clever or knowledgeable.
Apologist need to claim something to get followers. No truth or evidence necessary.
If we can decode, then we can encode.
Ehm, nope. There are such things as asymmetric ciphers.
Not arguing for any god btw, I am an a(nti)theist; I would just like to see good arguments being used.
There are public keys generated by mechanisms invented by people that even a computer would not decode in a million years. But when apologetic numerologists discover patterns in the Bible, whether those are real or not, the claim is, 'humans can't conceive of that.' What? You manage to decode it in a fraction of your lifespan and have the audacity to say that those are divinely inspired, even though they are less complex and secure than the ones people are using to get a verified connection to porn sites? This is why I can't take numerology seriously yet
There are mechanisms used by public keys invented by people that even a computer would not decode in a million years. But when apologetic numerologists discover patterns in the Bible, whether those are real or not, the claim is, 'humans can't conceive of that.' What? You manage to decode it in a fraction of your lifespan and have the audacity to say that those are divinely inspired, even though they are less complex and secure than the ones people are using to get a verified connection to p*rn sites?i can't take numerology seriously.
Ron "thats weak"....
Also Ron "I also cant answer in absolutes but i have a pretty strong feeling that its probably definitely true"
Oof how embarrassing of Ron.
"Neither mysticism nor the creed of self-sacrifice is compatible with mental health or self-esteem."
-Nathaniel Branden-
This is what willful ignorance sounds like.
Not to mention projection by whining about being hung up and Matt being "weak"
@@meloveAi "whining about being hung up and Matt being "weak""
Never underestimate a narcissists burning lust to manufacture oppression for themselves when faced with even the most reasonable or minor criticism... Like maybe they shouldn't base their whole epistemology on their "feelz".
“If you’ll just give up your critical faculties, a world of idiotic bliss can be yours.”
- Christopher Hitchens
"Self-esteem is the consequence, expression and reward of a mind fully committed to reason ."
-Nathaniel Branden-
Is there a better way to get the readers attention than starting off your book with the assertion that you have the answers to absolutely everything? No evidence, just assertions. Thousands of years later the assertions are shown to be false, but the promise of the simple “answer” found in that first verse is too comforting to overcome.
This call started to make me angry, a little. But then I realized to Ron all of this makes perfect sense. I just could not stop laughing.
That’s the thing that gets me every time. It sounds so utterly absurd to us, but these fucking people actually believe it…every word of it! 🤯
I doubt it actually makes sense for even them, they just don’t stop thinking what all of this actually means.
Sounds sorta like H Jon Benjamin…
H Ron Benjamin?
@@valivali8104 I think it probably makes the same amount of sense that it usually does, which is why they don't pick up on it, and the lack of sense that it makes is just hand waved away as being too big for human minds to comprehend or some other rationalisation
Ron's arrogance is hilarious.
His arrogance was only surpassed by his wilful ignorance of basic logical reasoning, skepticism and verifiable facts.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
You persist in sharing this same quote on all atheist pages. Or all UA-cam pages?
Yes. Voltaire was smart. Maybe try to be original or smart or funny all on your own.
@matthewphilip1977 my 'smart' comment was incidental. My intent was to discourage op from continuing to spam the quote everywhere.
You are welcome to your view of Voltaire. I'm not interested in such critique.
@matthewphilip1977 the only intellect-indicating bumper sticker that comes to mind is E = MC2.
@matthewphilip1977 Yes yes. You are far too clever for all of us. Mandatory Superscript, however, is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Did that Christian seriously say “gods don’t have offspring?”
*laughs in Zeus*
Actually, I feel there is an evolutionary argument to be made here...
@@landsgevaerHe's Jewish, he consistently refers to the Hebrew Bible AKA the Torah.
HA! I just called him out on that epic failure... of course, they'll never admit to sabotaging their own "arguments," but you and i, and MANY others, know it happened! 😃
Yes he did- and both Matt and Paul failed tonail him on that. I'd have jumped all over that- with, "So- Jesus was not God's ofspring????"
Ah yes, the Bible, it's not human-centric because it has....*almost* two whole chapters before it becomes exclusively about humans.
But no other book is written like the Bible so it must be proof of god!
(or at least I've never read a book like the Bible)
(well okay I've never read any other books)
(well okay I don't know how to read but my pastor has convinced me this is the case and I believe it because it feels good)
I enjoy that the caller believes gen 1:1 was the earliest writing in the Hebrew Bible because that’s how it was assembled. Probably why he was so worked up about henotheism
And also exclusively about militant Jewish supremacy
Mind you, a human wrote Lords of the rings, Game of thrones (coming from the book), Elden Ring and the Dark souls series and all these books are more impressive than the bible
If you like these, try the first law by joe Abercrombie. Genuinely the best of the best.
At least The Cat in the Hat rhymes.
These stories at least have less contradictions.
Those books also contain more facts than the bible.
"The bible/torah is divine because they say so and I feel like it"
But he's making a silligism. 😂
@@spookyariel1 😁
Doesn't have the proper structure. Theists don't get further than a *sillyloqui* in my experience.
Trying to follow his logic hurts my brain 🧠
a dork dawrkins minion probably
That's because there isn't any.
Most believers in god(s) are brainless.
@@petermeichan3160 "A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition."
-Nathaniel Branden-
I don't know why I still watch these after all these years. No evidence will ever be presented. Every single call boils down to a leap of faith.
I often feel the same way but as Matt has said, there may be people struggling with their religion who hear these crackpot arguments made by theists and it helps them to realise its fallacious nature and to deconstruct and free themselves from it.
I continue to watch them because this isn't the only area where humans are wilfully ignorant and believe things without evidence. For instance, the people who are behaving like it's 2019 and haven't accepted the reality of our completely changed world are just as wilfully ignorant. Pretending the "pandemic is over" is just as delusional as this kind of religious belief based on zero evidence.
@matthewphilip1977 Hush now, the grownups are talking.
Honestly, I watch them because they often give good examples of how to deal with logical inaccuracies, and help me learn how to avoid making fallacies of my own or spot them in others.
@matthewphilip1977
That is obviously not true, and also there arent anz obvious signs of design.
Winning cannot be more important than being correct.
@matthewphilip1977 It applies to everyone. It’s how we determine the difference between true facts and our ego in every choice we make.
@matthewphilip1977nah Matt is just revealing the fact for what the Bible is full of shitè you just don’t like the truth is all
I read this as whining
The bible is as divine as Sumerian, Roman,Nordic myths.
Nice!
This becomes especially apparent when you start studying the various versions of bibles as books. Only human beings write books. All bibles, all holy books, are examples of literature. Literature is a form of creative writing. As such, it is not authoritative. Every claim in any piece of literature has to be assessed individually, based on evidence.
I started my studies with these books, which are now a permanent part of my library:
Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard S Friedman
God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction, by Dan Barker
Did Moses Exist? by Acharya S.
Jesus: Mything in Action, parts 1, 2, and 3, by David Fitzgerald
Jesus the Magician, by Morton Smith
Jesus Never Existed, by Kenneth Humphreys
The Illusion of God's Presence, by John C Wathey
& more... see bibliographies. 🎉
But those are just stories.
And it stole from every one of them. Don't forget Greek also. Just do an image search for Tartarus. It looks kinda familiar.
@@andrewgodo9799The bible is also just stories
"They believe what they've been told to believe." -Paul Atreides
Ron's mom told him he was very smart when he was ten, and now he's confused why we all don't see his obvious genius to this day 😬😬
I can't think of any more trivial and unremarkable a sentence than Genesis 1:1.
Plus, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 tell different creation myths which disagree with each other about basically everything! But believers act like both are true! 🤦🏼♀️
Matt at his finest and Paulogila asks a pertinent question. This guy thought he could outwit you two.
And out wit them he did. He presented the Bible which apparently apologia and Matt have never read. Yeah yeah he said the Bible was divine and he presented the Bible to prove it was divine yeah that would slam dunk check mate atheists.
@@visforvegan8please tell me that’s sarcasm.
@@cindyc8335 I will do no such thing good sir, But you want to play chess?
@@visforvegan8How dare you be sarcastic on the Internet. Don’t you know it’s entirely your responsibility and not mine to work out who’s being sarcastic or sincere?
@@Leith_Crowther I'm always sincere, Madame. Except, when I'm not. Do you want to play chess? I learned from the best, Edward Current. He can checkmate any atheist with his masterfulness.
He hadn't heard of the Enuma Elish at the start of the call. Later on he's saying "If you read two sentences later"
Did he read the whole thing during the call?
I was dying for Paulogia to drop the "For the Bible Tells Me So" jingle in somewhere.
Every one of these theist calls where they say " I have evidence that God is real" or "I can prove the bible is divine in origin" all turn out to be another way for them to say "I have faith and it's so sure that it's absolutely sure."
Great. That clears everything right up.🙄
"another way for them to say" = a lie. It's like they never learnt what words mean.
What i think is amazing is that the caller has read every book ever written. To make the claim that no other book has ever begun the same is a grand statement.
On behalf of Canadians I offer a huge apology for the obvious stupidity of Ron. That was painful!
Your appology is a load of crap, totally not sincere. I'm sure you appologized profusely for inflicting Jon on us as well. Then you followed up with Ron. Shame on you, Canada.
@@HoangNguyen-rd6qylet's not forget Celine Dion and Justin Bieber
Paul's got it.
As a fellow Canadian myself, I often have to remind myself that most of the country is VERY rural and VERY spread apart. Take it from me, don't visit the Rockies or Alberta.
despite the fact, there are plenty of Canadians phone in to these shows I think the country is far less religious than the states
I love the look on Paulogia's face throughout this, it's like low-level physical pain mixed in with the questioning of one's life choices
People just want, or need, to believe in a God, and Ron - CA is a perfect example. Because of that, they've developed defensive barriers preventing them from seeing the flaws in their epistemology even when it's clearly and rationally pointed out to them
Special pleading. Other than the idiots who go with "My God is real because I say so" type arguments, that's all it is.
He really thought “A human could not have written a sentence” would be a slam dunk
Right! This is astounding 😂
If Jews are God’s chosen people, and He loves them so much, why did He give them the only land in the Middle East that doesn’t have any oil?
Ron should have begun with "once upon a time'.
Not chauvenistic
Who is more likely to have stolen the cookie from the cookie jar?
Little Timmy? I can prove he exists and is capable.
A burglar? Burglars exist and a known to steal.
A grizzly bear? Bears probably like cookies.
God? The Bible says he exists but is unclear of his stance on cookies.
Just to be safe, I'm going with the bear.
Cant be Timmy, hes feeding the birds. Assuming an asshole Traveler in search of poultry hasnt come through recently.
Based on my thorough research of the bears inhabiting Jellystone Park and their predilection for stealing pic-a-nic baskets, I'd definitely go with the bear.
Im going for the safer option and say... A burglar bear called timmy. That should cover all *possible* bases.
Given where I live, when it comes to stolen cookies I must admit to being an abearist.
This one time a bear told me that I can prevent forest fires. ...just sayin'.
"God created the heavens and the Earth"
Is this meant to be all-encompassing? Are other galaxies part of "heaven"?
Not “heaven.” “The heavens.” It’s obvious everything not on Earth is supposed to be “the heavens.” Not that they understood the concept of a Galaxy.
@@Leith_CrowtherI’ve read the first part of Genesis quite a few times and I’m none the wiser. I challenge someone, anyone, to construct animation that illustrates exactly what it says about creating the heavens and the earth, especially that bit where there’s a firmament and water and stuff. Personally, I don’t think it’s possible but who knows. Perhaps god could do a UA-cam video!
@@Leith_Crowther 1. Are there multiple heavens?
2. Did a god inspire the Bible? Did this god understand galaxies?
@@cmack171. In the Bible there is one. ‘The heavens’ is just a colloquialism. In reality, there are zero.
2. No, and no. Something has to exist before it can understand things.
You really just came here for an argument, though.
@leithcrowther6086
1. Not at all. I am an atheist. Those questions were intended towards theists who are making these claims. This should have been obvious.
2. This entire goddamned channel exists primarily "just to argue". Did you not realize that?
2. Even if that was not the case, you could have ignored my comment.
"Gods don't have offspring."
So you are basically saying that the Christian god is not an actual god, cuz, you know, Jesus?
And then Jesus therefore isn’t god’s son. Whilst simultaneously being 100% god. But is also 100% human too. Ok, now I’m lost…
Pretty sure Ron isn't a Christian.
No offspring. That also means that god isn't maximally powerful I guess.
Maury: Jehovah. You are NOT the father!
as long as we talk about mythology and fables legolas, a sindarin elf, is good friends with aragorn and gimli and worships manwe and his wife elbereth.
And periods exist.
“Star Trek is so well written it has to be divinely inspired. Live long and prosper lest the Borg take your combadge.”
"A long long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" what a supernatural way to start a story about people
I think my favorite part about Ron, and really theists in general, is how he talks shit as soon as he's put into a corner, but as sson as he's put into his place, he immediately crumbles into submisssion.
Ron, your argument is that your religious beliefs are real because your religious doctrine says so.
And he - and many others - will go to their graves holding on to that belief.
Imagine claiming that the Bible is a non-chauvinistic book.
“The first sentence doesn’t mention humans! The rest of the book is all about how we’re the special creation and god loves us and god gave us the world to rule over and how we are the most special-ist people out of all the people but the first sentence doesn’t mention humans!”
These shows are really harming the image of Canada!
Don't worry, such delusional fools are everywhere. 🙂
Canada is just the US with good public relations (not counting native Americans)
You mean, like the unmarked graves on the grounds of former boarding schools?
Just wait until we elect our own Trump-lite "conservative" party into power next year.
But Paul is Canadian.
The Silmarillion starts with the creation of the world...
The Silmarillion actually spends FAR more time on the doings of its Supreme God and Lesser Gods and pseudo-angels before even mentioning humans (or even elves) than the Bible could if it completely rearranged itself to avoid humans for as long as possible.
But of course, Ron's argument would be that The Silmarillion was *inspired* by the Bible, and therefor didn't require direct divine intervention to be created... while ignoring the fact that the writers of the Bible would be flunked out of every college program in the world for blatant plagiarism...
His inability to say "yes" or "no" reminds me of that scene in "My Cousin Vinny," where he just can't manage to say "Guilty" or "Not Guilty"
That is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard of for the divinity of god, or really, in general. "It was written this way therefore it mustn't be of man and therefore must of a god or showcasing the divinity of a god." That's basically his argument. I can demonstrate the invalidity of that immediately by just merely writing what Genesis 1:1 says myself.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Am I divine for writing that? Like come on.
"Gods don't have offspring" says the guy quoting from the text of a religion based on the blood sacrifice of the son of a god. Source? Matthew 1:1.
🤦♂️😂
He says he is defending the Hebrew Bible,not the New Testament. He’s Jewish.
He focuses only on the Old Testament. He’s probably Jewish.
This is the most asinine call I've ever heard. The Bible's divine because the Bible's divine ooh brilliant stop smoking weed dude. Or start smoking weed maybe. I read the Bible and I found it and absolutely horrific book of no value. It was insanely stupid insanely tribalistic bad morals a wasting my time.
The bible is an intellectual imposition.
@@dieudebois not only that it's in opposition to the intellect
In it's defence it is the main cause of atheism so it can't be all bad.
Silmarillion chapter 1 verse 1:
"There was Eru, The One, who in Arda is called Illuvatar; and he created first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, who were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aut else was made."
If Genesis cant be man made then this cant be man made.
"Wow, that sounds just like what I imagine god would sound like" Yeah, the guys that wrote it thought so too. What a load of BS
Star Wars is clearly supernatural since it starts with “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away”. No way a human came up with that, they would have started with “we all come from different galaxies at different times”.
The Enuma Elis is not "the" Mesopotamian creation myth. It is a Babylonian myth that does give an account of creation but focuses more on the triumph of Marduk over the older gods, especially Tiamat. In older Sumerian creation myths, primordial chaos goddess Nammu is characterized as a benevolent mother not an evil dragon like Tiamat. Also, the meaning of the words enuma elish is more like "when on high".
"My point still stands..."
Dude, your point had to first be standing before you can use the word "still".
Dude had a book report due and realized he only skimmed the first page.
Simple minds want Simple answers.....God did it
The end reminds me of that scene in "Conan the Barbarian" where Conan argues with the wizard about who's God is bigger
He wasn't arguing with the wizard, he was arguing with Subatai whose god is of the sky and, thus, over Crom who is an earth god
@@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral I see you're a man of culture as well 👌
The "un-natural nature" of God?? Huh??
3 = 1
@paulogia is my favourite in general. Very East to listen to and very knowledgeable after clearly learning his subject. If you don't already you should watch his content, super easy on the ear.
You can tell this dude hasn't read many books.
I still never understand why these calls have delays. Is it something inherent to the phone system being used? I don’t see delays in any other program we use in our daily work lives so could someone explain this thing to me?
Just for fun, whenever I stay in a hotel room, I find the Gideon Bible, I go to Genesis 1, and I cross out “In the beginning” and write “Once upon a time.” It seems more appropriate.
😅 nice. I'll have to remember to do likewise
“It’s not ethno-centric”
It’s literally about god creating people, picking his favorite, pardoning their crimes against humanity and condemning everyone else to hell…
Do these people read or watch fiction/fantasy? Is it really that hard for some one to come up with something like the creation myth?
No, that's of the devil 😅
"You have a dirty sock scubbing around in your brain" 😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times---therefore God
I was looking forward to the mug 🤣
Half of the epistles traditionally attributed to Paul are forgeries. 1 Peter and 2 Peter - also forgeries. Plus, multiple verses in other books are later interpolations not contained in the oldest manuscripts (the Pericope Adulterae, Comma Johanneum, long ending of Mark, etc.).
All of the gospels were written by anonymous authors decades after the events they supposedly describe. And the gospels present contradictory accounts. Speaking of contradictions - the Bible is full of them.
Archeologists have been unable to find evidence supporting the story in Exodus and have come to the conclusion that it never happened.
The Bible is interesting, I'll give it that. But it is riddled with problems.
lol around 20 mins in when the call says gods can’t have kids I was like Jesus was what again lol.
If first Gen was written by God wouldn't it say, in the beginning I created...?
@matthewphilip1977written by men who either wanted population control or mental illness
I guess he never read the "Silmarillion" by J.R.R. Tolkien.
"Once upon a time"
The Sumerian civilization, they invented writing, were writing these myths 4000 years!!! before the Jews are mentioned in history.
Don't forget the Hindu creation myth that started with a lotus flower blooming from Vishnu's bellybutton LOL
The first sentence of the Bible in Hebrew is 'Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.' The
third word in that sentence is 'Elohim.' And, 'Elohim' did not mean 'God' in ancient Hebrew. Rather, it meant 'the sons and daughters of 'El.' And, 'El' was both the ancient Israelite’s and Canaanite's supreme god. So, in light of all of that, let’s take a look at a more accurate translation of the first sentence in Genesis: 'In the beginning the sons and daughters of El (the gods) created the Universe (or everything).' Also, in Genesis, Chapter 2, the Torah introduces 'YHVH (Yahweh/Jehovah). And, Elohim and YHVH are two distinctly gods. Therefor, for Ron to claim that The Book of Genesis claims that there is but only one god, only proves that Ron is sadly lacking in his knowledge of ancient Hebrew/Semite/Middle Eastern history.
I feel like theists need to first agree amongst themselves about which denomonation of their religion is true, before attempting to convince an atheist.
The Quran states “Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days"….By this metric, this caller would have to accept that this claim is divinely instituted, unless they resort to special pleading.
Dude literally tried to special plead a black swan argument.
Hello, Matt and Paul. Love you two together. I've been a fan of Matt from his beginning on AE.
My family bible proves Ron here is right. Every time god speaks in it, the text has turned red. If divine power wasn't in it, the lettering would be black.
Wow, that's amazing! Mine too.
Hahaha!!!😂😂😂😂😂
"You seem to have some sort of dirty socks scrubbing inside of your head" oh shit😂😂😂
This is the illogical thinking cults do to people. Too many people feel a need to be part of a cult.
One way to know that you are drastically wrong is when Paul laughs at you.
"I AM SINGULARLY IMPRESSED BY THE WORDS FROM THIS BOOK! THEY'RE SO MONUMENTAL THAT THEY MUST HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY A GOD" -- a quote taken from the least literate, most easily impressed thrall ever.
Honestly, if a being beyond time and space wrote words of wisdom, I'd expect SO much more than the primitive tripe written by some slavers.
If god is perfect, why did he create such flawed creations as human beings - unless he designed those flaws in, in which case punishing people for his intentional design flaws would be an example of his lack of "perfection" (unless lack of justice and compassion are "perfect" somehow).
"I am perfect IN *ALL THINGS*....Now behold my incredibly flawed and frequently hostile creations, that break randomly sometimes, are born with a disease and didnt even listen to me when i was the only parent. My almightyness is unquestionable!!!!"
😂😂😂
Proof of the divine.
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Yoooooo Matt mentioned the Beyonder in this video!!! I am so happy!
No wonder these ppl are terrified of the power of books, the way they ascribe so much power to 1.
This is awful to listen to. Where did Matt and Paul come up with this caller. I'm afraid I would have insisted the caller give a different example than Genesis 1:1. Why not explain how 1 Kings 19:11 fits the bill? Or, pick any other one there is, the number of choices for which is estimated to be over 2000. Please.
To Ron, a president or king is probably a "higher authority" and must be a god because of how differently they speak compared to men with lower positions. Hero worship of leaders and celebrities make me sick. No human deserves to rule others. None!
Just curious, since I love learning new things. @paulogia said that the Enuma Elish starts "It began.." and so I thought it was interesting and went to read some translations. All the ones found didn't start that way, they start "When on high". Is "When on high" correlated to "It began" in the original text or are there translations that I didn't find?
101 Dalmatians is not human-centric either. This guy could read something more than the Bible, and stop embarrassing himself.
10:10 Every other book is about people? Guy hasn't read a whole lot of books, eh? You know another "non chauvenistic"😂 way to start a book? "Once upon a time..." Also, the Bible was written by man - Matthew, Luke, John etc. - not God. Which is why the first sentence it says "In the beginning, God created heaven and earth." If it was in first person, it would be, "I".
Clowns like that are dangerous.
And the republican party is full of them
So if I wrote “in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth” on a piece of paper, I would have written something divine
What if you wrote ‘in the beginning god created McDonald’s, and sent his bastard son Ronald to see over affairs’
I find the Hebrew creation myth one of the least compelling of all the creation myths I've heard.
My man, a worshiper of a demigod, just said that gods don't have offspring.
He's nuts. He has no idea of what definition is, what evidence is, and what something material like a book is.
Just nuts.