Already a bad start to make such an asinine assertion like that... "I was born a theist" ...no you weren't, fool. It's like if I said I was born a Trekkie. Both are nonsense.
I am not religious but perfect example of the double standard matt holds on people lol. HOLD ON HOLD ON HOLD ON! yet matt interrupts people constantly and throws in his little comments as people are talking. He's honestly a keyboard tool is what I call them, he enjoys the little power he has over callers because in real life most these people could probably knock matt out cold lmao 😂 matt can speak on religion all he wants hell even science but he thinks dudes with wigs are women and chicks with hot dogs are women lmao so uh yeah he's not all in reality either lolol. I appreciate all matt has done for anti religious movements but can't deny the truth that he's a keyboard tool lol and if you disagree your either watching a different video or you have him so deep down your throat your eyes are watering and you can't see it lmao ggs have a great day- 1st amendment, probably will never see this video again lol
@@puckerings There was a caller one day who told Jeff _"The bible is the best evidence we have"_ and Jeff replied with a sort of sympathetic _"Yeah, sorry man"_ in "agreement".
I thought the same. Expected them to ask "what evidence do you have for any reality besides ours?" but that would've gone the same way every other question in this call went.
@@KintokiSan What is an explanation for the universe/life? Matt threw out a couple. The multi verse etc. A creator is another explanation. It's really that simple. Nothing to get hung about.
@@crystalgiddens7276 why is it a possible explanation? A creator god requires so many extra leaps. The supernatural has not been proven to exist to this day. So I see no reason to believe some super powerful being exists. What was the cause for everything? I don't know and neither does anyone.
@@KintokiSan "What was the cause for everything. I don't know and neither does anyone." < That hasn't stopped man from pondering the question since the beginning of time. Of course you don't know but there must be an explanation. A creator is as good as any explanation and perfectly logical. The universe created itself is a contradiction but who knows?
No you see god is timeless and spaceless. It exists never and nowhere. Therefore god. This was sarcasm btw. I feel it might be confused with the sort of bollocks theists say unironically.
@@JayMaverick YES, finally someone understands timeless and spaceless, outside of time and space... Even Peter Pan exists as a fantasy of someone's mind or text in a book or a role played by an actor in a movie. Which is all more than timeless and spaceless...
These people are just totally desperate, they absolutely want their imaginary friend to exist. God is neither in reality nor outside of reality, god does not exist, god does not exist anywhere.
Everything has to come from something, is an excellent cosmic horror concept If a God created our world that God must live in his own world which must have been made by a God! Infinitely more and more powerful gods all the way up!
I'm always quite depressed at the notion that people seem to desire or require to be possessed , controlled and manipulated by a metaphysical marionettist who "lives" outside the physical universe in some heretofore transcendent dimension and who keeps all the answers to important questions 'hidden'.
I find the entire mindset can be summed up in three easy steps: Step 1: "Thinking is hard. Someone else do it for me." Step 2: "This person seems to know what they're talking about." Step 3: "Having conviction is a good thing, so I will never allow myself to learn or believe anything else."
On a less serious note, the ratio of bottoms to tops now makes more sense, if as social creatures we have a predisposition to liking to be told how or what to do.
They absolutely want their imaginary skydaddy to exist, but it doesn't exist anywhere, neither in reality nor outside of reality. Besides, if he was only outside of reality then that means that he is not everywhere, that he cannot be everywhere, therefore that he cannot do everything, therefore that he's not perfect. So... he's not a god. Their imaginary god does not exist AND cannot exist.
Long ago a caller asked an atheist why they were always picking on little people instead of talking to smart people about god. After years of watching these I have no evidence that there are any.
My suggestion is to move up to watching religious debates in long form between individuals on opposite sides who are known around the world. There are many to choose from.
@@Conan_the_rastafarianI did that before watching these shows. I quickly noted the same fallacies be pointed out only to be presented again as if they hadn't been taught in front of a live audience how they were wrong. It does not get any better. The callers who call in complaining that the show screens out all the GOOD apologists like them go on to dazzle us with Look At The Trees and What If You're Wrong. I recall one debate that was a bloodbath, the theist didn't even fight back. Just brutal. A suggested video promised an epic rematch with an overwhelming victory for the theist so I clicked with intense interest to see the dramatic turnaround where the apologist finally made a case. It was **The. Same. Damn. Video.**
@@BaronVonQuiply Here lies the secret that I think the professionals understand. There is a brick wall that we cannot go beyond in our own human authority in regards to proving or convincing others in this question of God. You can walk right up to the wall and talk intelligently for hours and hours about the complex problems that science doesn't know, or relate it back to religion and the problems it can't reconcile according to science. Those theist arguments by the professionals can maybe unfairly be summed up in one sentence as a very very elaborate and complex way of saying look at the trees. It all does serve a purpose for some people ready to seek on their own. Some people are convinced to begin the process to seek for themselves and move beyond the brick wall once a complex argument of look at the trees is made. You can "look at the trees" in cosmology or math or biology, or in other places that matter to you specifically.
@@starfishsystemsThere is a limit to what humans can convince each other of in our own human authority. So, what should we do about it? Did we get our questions answered, or just walk away unsatified again?
I'm going to be charitable and say that he got the general gist of it because Forrest layed it out pretty damn clearly, he just rejects it because he's been indoctrinated from birth and has a helluva lot to lose (family and friends in reality and a magical security blanket dude and immortality in his mind) if he admits that Matt & Forrest are right.
The amount of people that use the words ‘logical, reasonable,skepticism’ without knowing what they actually mean is insane to me. Its almost like people think the word logical means “makes sense to me”
I think a lot of people bloviate these terms to make themselves feel smart. They don’t use them to have productive discussions, just to confirm they were right all along, because admitting you might be mistaken is threatened with hellfire in this religion (cult).
You hit the nail on the head. People complain about how the word ironic is misunderstood. But I now think logical is a much more, or even the most, misunderstood word.
@@Ichabod_Jerichosomething like that. and often preachers use these words to try to sound reasonable to the guillable. thats why to theists it makes sense untill someone who knows what questions to ask comes in to cause doubt
"We both don't know the origin of the universe, therefore we're at the same level of wrong" To quote the BIg Bang Theory, "Calling a tomato a vegetable is wrong, calling it a suspension bridge is very wrong"
@@toast99bubbles Oooh, you tried to um, actually me and failed. Vegetable isn't a scientific classification; it's a culinary one. You have it backwards, all vegetables are fruits. Way to completely miss the point of my comment and get it wrong.
@@toast99bubbles Again, you are wrong. Objectively. Vegetable is a purely culinary term, and even then it refers to specific fruits, not all fruits. Fruits is a botanical classification. Do some research before you look even more foolish.
04:29 I apologize to all physicists for the following joke: _"What's God made of?"_ A deity claimed as the source of all piety and the lord of the pious would obviously be made of mostly Pions.
Would this be a case where a double negative is grammatically correct? I'd love for someone to chime in on this whom knows how to English more gooder than me.
@@K31TH3R Nothing incorrect, grammatically, with double, triple or more negatives. Issues arise when people end up expressing the opposite of what they intended to. Correct grammar, inverted meaning. In the case above, the meaning is expressed as intended.
So strange that god would say he’s the alpha and omega if he existed before the Greeks used that alphabet. It’s almost as if the empire that conquered the Greeks wrote that shit down in order to control the masses
This is really the same old "we can't just come from nothing" argument but the dude didn't know how to articulate it. He never stopped to think, maybe there never was nothing.
What is the something that has always existed made of? I think that's the problem. I can't imagine something so exotic in the table of elements that I can say its eternal and also the first cause of everything else.
@@Conan_the_rastafarian Argument from Incredulity, but in this case we already understand that atomic elements didn't exist in the early universe. It was too hot for matter to form from energy. Even quantum fields may not have existed, at least not in their present form. We are at the limits of what we can conceive and investigate, but because of that we have no warrant to declare that we know it's some supernatural thing. That's just a way of pretending to know when in fact we don't know.
The Mario analogy was almost compelling but he kinda dropped the ball on it. Like, it is true that Mario would have no way of knowing if he was in video game unless we (as programmers) give him the means to do so. So, comparatively, we would only be able to find a creator god if he gave us a means to do so. But ultimately that doesn't say a whole lot about actual reality.
It occurred to me one day that if you were a conscious program in such a simulation then you would likely require the ability to examine "reality" at a finer scale than exists. eg, to the displayed game world a pixel (or subpixel) is as fine as you get. It would be like the planck length, anything smaller is meaningless to the character programs. To realize that underneath that lay polygons and textures would require them to "look between the pixels" and I'm not sure they'd be any better off than our physicists dealing with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. (Especially if you go the easy way and remember to hard code BelievesSimulation = True)
@@BaronVonQuiply That makes no sense. A character in a 3d world wouldn't see in terms of pixels, and even if for some reason they did even though it makes no sense, you wouldn't need to look "between" pixels to see polygons and textures, not only because that also doesn't make sense, but because you can already see the polygons and textures with the pixels. Overall analogy grade: F- - A better analogy would be comparing the virtual 3d representation created by a computer program, and the bits that make up the program, or the code, or whatever. That would raise the analogy level to F-.
The crappy Mario tangent sounded like something a smooth talking apologist offered up and this dude loved it but also couldn’t even follow it to present himself.
There's a "keep it vague" practice that one doesn't tend to notice easily while in the middle of it. Coupled with people confidently talking out of their ass and each person thinking they have a direct line to the grand architect of the universe to fill in the blanks, and you end up with hundreds of millions of people who assume everyone else is on the same page (even the ones who disagree, "they're in wilful rebellion")
He talks like my partner's nephew. Answering without knowing the question. It's very exhausting to have this kind of conversation. No matter how you scientifically explain things, they still insist their "argument" (s) , the correct one, without backing it up.
No, I've seen Mario take on a gap, it doesn't go any better than it does for God. Now pipes, on the other hand... **suspicious bubbling noises with an Italian accent somehow**
Why is it so difficult for these people to just say "I don't know"...and move on and enjoy life. They are brainwashed from childhood to fear some invisible man in the sky that watches everything they say and do...so sad,
All of Brad's reasoning for his beliefs can be summed up as "I don't know or understand, therefore, GAWD! And the reason why its GAWD is because its GAWD!"
@@chadrasmussen1154 that's just non sequitur. First, if there's no god, that doesn't mean that human life specifically must be devoid of any meaning. Second, life as a whole tends to avoid death (at the individual and collective levels).
I often get frustrated with Matt's lack of patience with callers, but I totally understand it. It's the same argument over and over and its only considered an argument because they say it is. Filling gaps with God just because is not an answer. It's throwing your hands up and saying you need an answer where one is not yet known. Not that it won't be known and that it can't, but that it isn't yet. You can say I don't know and leave it there and eventually there will be an answer. We just have to find it. God has historically been given credit to everything up until the moment we find out it wasn't a god at all and that it can be both explained and replicated. So what was the point of giving God credit in the first place, Brad? Say "I don't know yet" and leave it there. Don't insert God because you feel like you need an answer. If anything, embark on finding the answer yourself. Who knows, maybe it will end up being God (doubt), but until you arrive at that point, you're applying an answer that has not earned its position.
"We don't know how the universe began, therefor I know how the universe began." every version of the Cosmological Argument in a nutshell. And people call atheists "arrogant".
Let's all believe it, it'll be fun. We could write a holy book about it. I can offer some light-hearted short stories and maybe a silly little poem here and there.
The time to believe in a claim is when there is valid and verifiable evidence to support that claim. I ask theists to provide valid and verifiable evidence, but thy never do.
3:27 😂 Continuing to speak and interrupt only to then interrupt to say you’re sorry for interrupting and then continuing to try and get in that you’re sorry for interrupting I just can’t even.. 😂 You can tell this call is really gonna go places
11:08 yet you think this invisible timeless being creats stuff out of nothing. Question: How can anyone tell the difference between something creating itself and an invisible being creating it?
The question they need to ask him is "Do you think it's possible that there's an alternate explanation for the existence of the universe" or "have you exhausted all the possible explanations"
Far too many of us humans just can not get out of our own heads. Drop your existential dread for half a second and understanding becomes possible. "Why am I here, and what does it all mean?" is an interesting question, but it doesn't need an answer. You dont have to decide one to live your life. In fact, you might just become more aware of a grander tapestry, and stop being so self-absorbed.
Whenever I ask myself the question, "Why am I here, and what does it all mean?" I take time out to have a beer and hotdog to think it over. It only took a few years for me to realise I'm here to consume beer and hotdogs and the universe exists only to supply them to me. Pretty soon I believe Jenny Craig will also enter the equation.
That was fascinating to listen to. The caller argued against his own conclusion like 3 times, but didn’t notice. He kept circling back to “how can we know anything beyond our natural universe?”, but would then conclude that there is a god beyond it. In his Mario analogy, the caller himself is Mario and has no access to the means of creation behind him or the game
what a confusing word salad about his beliefs and the reasons for them - he actually believes he is being logical ! caller, with all the characteristics of bible affliction, needs to go to school and learn everything all over again especially syllogisms and critical reasoning.
Isn’t God a something that came from nothing? God is born of a lack of knowledge or understanding. Therefore, something came from nothing. Does this concept demonstrate this in the abstract? Does this make any sense? I don’t know. This was a frustrating call.
I don't know why everyone is wasting their time. The universe and everything and everyone one in it, including all their memories, was vomited up by my dog seven minutes ago.
If anything this call ahows how and why people hold all sorts of beliefs; it comes down to not being comfortable with the unknown, and filling that void with something of our choosing to make us feel comfortable by believing that assertion is equal to actual knowledge.
Love the mug, Forrest. I'm sure there's a line in here somewhere about being unable to get a handle on things or something, but I can't think of it right now.
1:48 what does he mean by “maths is incomplete”? That’s a peculiar claim and I don’t see the connection to the existence of god. Though it is sounding like the biggest god of the gaps flex ever.
How can anyone not understand that anything that is outside of reality is, by definition, not real. These people use the word 'logic,' but apparently have no idea how logic works.
Brad's problem is that he's never actually thought for himself before. He's listened to preachers/pastors/whatever and thinks those people are the smartest ones on Earth.
"I was born a Christian"
"No, you weren't"
Thanks Matt.
Yeah, boy he's quick, ain't he. Didn't miss a beat.
Then the caller had the nerve to say he doesn’t believe in the Christian god
Already a bad start to make such an asinine assertion like that... "I was born a theist" ...no you weren't, fool. It's like if I said I was born a Trekkie. Both are nonsense.
@@toryalyn He still clings to the Christian lingo like Alpha and Omega and uncaused first cause
I am not religious but perfect example of the double standard matt holds on people lol. HOLD ON HOLD ON HOLD ON! yet matt interrupts people constantly and throws in his little comments as people are talking. He's honestly a keyboard tool is what I call them, he enjoys the little power he has over callers because in real life most these people could probably knock matt out cold lmao 😂 matt can speak on religion all he wants hell even science but he thinks dudes with wigs are women and chicks with hot dogs are women lmao so uh yeah he's not all in reality either lolol. I appreciate all matt has done for anti religious movements but can't deny the truth that he's a keyboard tool lol and if you disagree your either watching a different video or you have him so deep down your throat your eyes are watering and you can't see it lmao ggs have a great day- 1st amendment, probably will never see this video again lol
A guy with almost no knowledge of the world talks his head off about his knowledge of the world.
Dunning-Kruger effect, a perfect example of
Rumor has it that this guy was an Honor Graduate of Hovinds School of Science!
Diagnosis: Projection.
You can't fight stupid... But you should never stop doing it
You basically described the authors of bible perfectly..
"You're all guilty untill proven innocent! ...Wait, why are you putting handcuffs on me?" - Brad, pretty much.
Theocrats would agree considering how many women they burned, accusing them of witchcraft.
Unrelated but nice pfp. Umbrella Corp., right?
I need Dillahunty’s “HANG ON” as my ringtone
I prefer his " No Sir"
@@memecity9849 I'm partial to an old-school Jeff Dee "How DARE you, sir?" whenever he was threatened with Hell.
No No No No No No No No No No No No No No!
@@puckerings There was a caller one day who told Jeff _"The bible is the best evidence we have"_ and Jeff replied with a sort of sympathetic _"Yeah, sorry man"_ in "agreement".
@puckerings whatever happened to Jeff Dee?
The call was over when Brad said God is “outside this reality.” As an atheist, I entirely agree.
It pretty much was, for me as well. I just kind of skipped around to the end after that, lol. These arguments get so tired, after awhile.
I thought the same. Expected
them to ask "what evidence do
you have for any reality besides
ours?" but that would've gone
the same way every other question
in this call went.
@@KintokiSan What is an explanation for the universe/life? Matt threw out a couple. The multi verse etc. A creator is another explanation. It's really that simple. Nothing to get hung about.
@@crystalgiddens7276 why is it
a possible explanation? A creator
god requires so many extra leaps.
The supernatural has not been
proven to exist to this day.
So I see no reason to believe some
super powerful being exists.
What was the cause for everything?
I don't know and neither does anyone.
@@KintokiSan "What was the cause for everything. I don't know and neither does anyone." < That hasn't stopped man from pondering the question since the beginning of time. Of course you don't know but there must be an explanation. A creator is as good as any explanation and perfectly logical. The universe created itself is a contradiction but who knows?
"god is outside reality" so, he's not real then, ok
No you see god is timeless and spaceless. It exists never and nowhere.
Therefore god.
This was sarcasm btw. I feel it might be confused with the sort of bollocks theists say unironically.
@@JayMaverick YES, finally someone understands timeless and spaceless, outside of time and space... Even Peter Pan exists as a fantasy of someone's mind or text in a book or a role played by an actor in a movie.
Which is all more than timeless and spaceless...
Yes, indeed. You've nailed it :-)
These people are just totally desperate, they absolutely want their imaginary friend to exist. God is neither in reality nor outside of reality, god does not exist, god does not exist anywhere.
@@JayMaverick Is that God or Dr. Who 😂
"Everything has to come from something, therefore there has to be something that didn't have to come from anything."
- fucking genius
St Thomas Aquinas, I think.
Hehe, good one.😁🌏☮️
Everything has to come from something, is an excellent cosmic horror concept
If a God created our world that God must live in his own world which must have been made by a God!
Infinitely more and more powerful gods all the way up!
I like the idea that our universe is a simulation built by Rick Sanchez.
@@JohnOstrowickand he is supposed to be the smartest one!
I'm always quite depressed at the notion that people seem to desire or require to be possessed , controlled and manipulated by a metaphysical marionettist who "lives" outside the physical universe in some heretofore transcendent dimension and who keeps all the answers to important questions 'hidden'.
I find the entire mindset can be summed up in three easy steps:
Step 1: "Thinking is hard. Someone else do it for me."
Step 2: "This person seems to know what they're talking about."
Step 3: "Having conviction is a good thing, so I will never allow myself to learn or believe anything else."
Theist are basically authoritarians that need a hierarchy with a deity at the top.
On a less serious note, the ratio of bottoms to tops now makes more sense, if as social creatures we have a predisposition to liking to be told how or what to do.
They absolutely want their imaginary skydaddy to exist, but it doesn't exist anywhere, neither in reality nor outside of reality. Besides, if he was only outside of reality then that means that he is not everywhere, that he cannot be everywhere, therefore that he cannot do everything, therefore that he's not perfect. So... he's not a god.
Their imaginary god does not exist AND cannot exist.
That was wonderfully described.
Long ago a caller asked an atheist why they were always picking on little people instead of talking to smart people about god. After years of watching these I have no evidence that there are any.
My suggestion is to move up to watching religious debates in long form between individuals on opposite sides who are known around the world. There are many to choose from.
@@Conan_the_rastafarian
I've tried that. The theist arguments are no less fallacious or painful, just more elaborately constructed.
@@Conan_the_rastafarianI did that before watching these shows. I quickly noted the same fallacies be pointed out only to be presented again as if they hadn't been taught in front of a live audience how they were wrong. It does not get any better. The callers who call in complaining that the show screens out all the GOOD apologists like them go on to dazzle us with Look At The Trees and What If You're Wrong. I recall one debate that was a bloodbath, the theist didn't even fight back. Just brutal. A suggested video promised an epic rematch with an overwhelming victory for the theist so I clicked with intense interest to see the dramatic turnaround where the apologist finally made a case. It was **The. Same. Damn. Video.**
@@BaronVonQuiply Here lies the secret that I think the professionals understand. There is a brick wall that we cannot go beyond in our own human authority in regards to proving or convincing others in this question of God. You can walk right up to the wall and talk intelligently for hours and hours about the complex problems that science doesn't know, or relate it back to religion and the problems it can't reconcile according to science. Those theist arguments by the professionals can maybe unfairly be summed up in one sentence as a very very elaborate and complex way of saying look at the trees. It all does serve a purpose for some people ready to seek on their own. Some people are convinced to begin the process to seek for themselves and move beyond the brick wall once a complex argument of look at the trees is made. You can "look at the trees" in cosmology or math or biology, or in other places that matter to you specifically.
@@starfishsystemsThere is a limit to what humans can convince each other of in our own human authority. So, what should we do about it? Did we get our questions answered, or just walk away unsatified again?
Poor guy simply does not have the intelligence to understand what he's being told here...
I'm going to be charitable and say that he got the general gist of it because Forrest layed it out pretty damn clearly, he just rejects it because he's been indoctrinated from birth and has a helluva lot to lose (family and friends in reality and a magical security blanket dude and immortality in his mind) if he admits that Matt & Forrest are right.
19:31 He says Zero turns to One... then goes on to Conflate Zero and Nothing.
BUT, Zero isn't nothing. It's a value. By it's nature it is something.
Well, that definitely speaks to the level of logic he was actually using.
Zero serves as an additive identity and an indication of power in the decimal notation.
It's right there in the middle of the Real numbers, therefore it's the center of reality.
It's a-me, Yahweh-o!
😂😂😂😂😂
I wish i could like it but it's at 69 so... nice
The canon just writes itself
And the great prophet Toad sayeth unto thee there is no princess in this castle.
And Jesus is just racing across a dessert to crucify himself!
I am noticing recently that it is beginning to get to Forrest, dealing with blind stupidity. No wonder Matt is like he is after 20 years of this!
Yes, it's not easy to navigate. I hope Forrest doesn't let it get to him too much.
Was just thinking I’ve never seen Forest so upset
Oh, Forest is clearly getting disgusted with humans 😅
I'm not surprised, banging your head against the brick wall of ignorance is really hard work!
The amount of people that use the words ‘logical, reasonable,skepticism’ without knowing what they actually mean is insane to me. Its almost like people think the word logical means “makes sense to me”
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are morons.
I think a lot of people bloviate these terms to make themselves feel smart. They don’t use them to have productive discussions, just to confirm they were right all along, because admitting you might be mistaken is threatened with hellfire in this religion (cult).
I’ve been increasingly jaded with the state of education when I realised how many people don’t know what most of the words they use mean.
You hit the nail on the head.
People complain about how the word ironic is misunderstood.
But I now think logical is a much more, or even the most, misunderstood word.
@@Ichabod_Jerichosomething like that. and often preachers use these words to try to sound reasonable to the guillable. thats why to theists it makes sense untill someone who knows what questions to ask comes in to cause doubt
"We both don't know the origin of the universe, therefore we're at the same level of wrong"
To quote the BIg Bang Theory, "Calling a tomato a vegetable is wrong, calling it a suspension bridge is very wrong"
A tomato is a fruit and all fruits are vegetables, so calling a tomato a vegetable is actually correct.
@@toast99bubbles Oooh, you tried to um, actually me and failed. Vegetable isn't a scientific classification; it's a culinary one.
You have it backwards, all vegetables are fruits. Way to completely miss the point of my comment and get it wrong.
@lancesleftnut Except that's not true about vegetables being friits. All edible plant matter is a form of vegetable, including fruits.
@@toast99bubbles Again, you are wrong. Objectively. Vegetable is a purely culinary term, and even then it refers to specific fruits, not all fruits. Fruits is a botanical classification.
Do some research before you look even more foolish.
@lancesleftnut I have done the research, I know what I'm talking about.
Nearly all the theists I see in this videos: "You make great points, but I'm not willing to admit I'm wrong."
It can be hard to set aside ego while on a show. Given that. They can't back down
04:29 I apologize to all physicists for the following joke:
_"What's God made of?"_
A deity claimed as the source of all piety and the lord of the pious would obviously be made of mostly Pions.
You’ve lived down to your name. 😉
But, heard me out... What if god is made of _peons?_
@@Julian0101 The stuff urine is made of?
I'll pion that god any day!
So what was the joke?
Too much church. Too little school.
…the perfect recipe to be comned by church pastors.
Or cornered if you're a choirboy if you get what i mean.
Dark humor lol.
Am i doing this right?
@@youtubestudiosucks978Cornered if your choirboy lmmfao 😂😂😂
"You don't know shit about nothing" - Forest
Would this be a case where a double negative is grammatically correct? I'd love for someone to chime in on this whom knows how to English more gooder than me.
I know it was scary in 'The Never Ending Story'
@@K31TH3R Nothing incorrect, grammatically, with double, triple or more negatives. Issues arise when people end up expressing the opposite of what they intended to. Correct grammar, inverted meaning. In the case above, the meaning is expressed as intended.
"You don't know shit about fuck" -Southern U.S. people, including me 🤣
Forrest two R
The Alpha and Omega sentence could be said and written down by anyone at any time in history and claimed that a magical being said it first.
No it couldn’t. I’m the alpha and the omega and I said it first, so anyone else trying to claim it is wrong.
@@Leith_Crowther I'm the alpha and omega and so is my wife!
@@vincentking2552nope, I’m the Alpha and the Omega
So strange that god would say he’s the alpha and omega if he existed before the Greeks used that alphabet. It’s almost as if the empire that conquered the Greeks wrote that shit down in order to control the masses
@@Leith_Crowther A real alpha would never call himself an omega.
This is a 100% prepogrammed indoctrination, and he has yet to find the system override button
This is really the same old "we can't just come from nothing" argument but the dude didn't know how to articulate it. He never stopped to think, maybe there never was nothing.
What is the something that has always existed made of? I think that's the problem. I can't imagine something so exotic in the table of elements that I can say its eternal and also the first cause of everything else.
@@Conan_the_rastafarian
Argument from Incredulity, but in this case we already understand that atomic elements didn't exist in the early universe. It was too hot for matter to form from energy. Even quantum fields may not have existed, at least not in their present form.
We are at the limits of what we can conceive and investigate, but because of that we have no warrant to declare that we know it's some supernatural thing. That's just a way of pretending to know when in fact we don't know.
@@Conan_the_rastafarian
Ask any cosmologist. They'll be able to explain it to you in detail.
The Mario analogy was almost compelling but he kinda dropped the ball on it. Like, it is true that Mario would have no way of knowing if he was in video game unless we (as programmers) give him the means to do so. So, comparatively, we would only be able to find a creator god if he gave us a means to do so. But ultimately that doesn't say a whole lot about actual reality.
It occurred to me one day that if you were a conscious program in such a simulation then you would likely require the ability to examine "reality" at a finer scale than exists. eg, to the displayed game world a pixel (or subpixel) is as fine as you get. It would be like the planck length, anything smaller is meaningless to the character programs. To realize that underneath that lay polygons and textures would require them to "look between the pixels" and I'm not sure they'd be any better off than our physicists dealing with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. (Especially if you go the easy way and remember to hard code BelievesSimulation = True)
Yeah not knowing =/= therefore you can simply claim whatever you want as the answer.
@@BaronVonQuiply That makes no sense. A character in a 3d world wouldn't see in terms of pixels, and even if for some reason they did even though it makes no sense, you wouldn't need to look "between" pixels to see polygons and textures, not only because that also doesn't make sense, but because you can already see the polygons and textures with the pixels.
Overall analogy grade: F- -
A better analogy would be comparing the virtual 3d representation created by a computer program, and the bits that make up the program, or the code, or whatever. That would raise the analogy level to F-.
@@ahall9839Well try harder next time 🙂
The crappy Mario tangent sounded like something a smooth talking apologist offered up and this dude loved it but also couldn’t even follow it to present himself.
And when Mario gets the fire flower, you go to hell.
Lol
Screw hell that sucks
"god is outside of this reality"
A roundabout way of saying, "god doesn't exist".
His entire world view is based on his "feels".
It's so exhausting. What the fuck do feelings have to do with good reasons?
You just know that the call is going downhill when it begins with "Hello, hello, can you hear me? Hello?"
4:21 “Name me one thing that’s not made up of something else”
Ok, all 118 elements. Next question.
"how do you know this?"
"I don't know, I believe!"
Cool, then belief is stupid.
Goodbye
“Argumentum ad Super Mario” is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s what brought me here halfway through and still no “Argumentum ad Super Mario” damned click bait 😂
Oh yes it’s here 😂😂
Guess it’s not clickbait
Why does every Christian appear to have a personal variation of the god they claim to worship?
Ha! Good one.
Because it's hard to describe something that doesn't exist.
Because it requires their subjective reading of the Bible and teachings from their pastors.
There's a "keep it vague" practice that one doesn't tend to notice easily while in the middle of it. Coupled with people confidently talking out of their ass and each person thinking they have a direct line to the grand architect of the universe to fill in the blanks, and you end up with hundreds of millions of people who assume everyone else is on the same page (even the ones who disagree, "they're in wilful rebellion")
Now you're getting it.
Every religious person has their own unique version of a god which they believe exists because of no reason.
He talks like my partner's nephew. Answering without knowing the question. It's very exhausting to have this kind of conversation. No matter how you scientifically explain things, they still insist their "argument" (s) , the correct one, without backing it up.
Sounds like a god of the gaps
Sounds like a god of jumping over the gaps and saving the princess.
And the biggest gap is between Brad's ears.
No, I've seen Mario take on a gap, it doesn't go any better than it does for God.
Now pipes, on the other hand... **suspicious bubbling noises with an Italian accent somehow**
Their god is in another castle, that is why they keep jumping further and further.
@@Robeebert
😂
Brad: I get what you're saying 100%
Me: Oh boi.
Narrator: He did in fact NOT understand what they were saying.
can't you imagine this guy driving through a roundabout and just continuously going around and around in it, annoying every other driver?
He says he doesn’t believe in the Christian god, but referenced the Bible…
I've read the whole Bible cover to cover haha
It is so unbelievably frustrating that I have to live in a world with people this irrational. “Agree to disagree” 🙄
I’m glad to hear Eru made it into the discussion however briefly
Why is it so difficult for these people to just say "I don't know"...and move on and enjoy life.
They are brainwashed from childhood to fear some invisible man in the sky that watches everything they say and do...so sad,
Is this what Mariology is all about?
All of Brad's reasoning for his beliefs can be summed up as "I don't know or understand, therefore, GAWD! And the reason why its GAWD is because its GAWD!"
'God of the gaps' fallacy. I feel like it's their number one fall back option.
Well if there's no god what's the point of life just to die
@@chadrasmussen1154 I know the meaning of life and I'm an atheist.
Do you want to hear it? It's not pleasant.
@@chadrasmussen1154 that's just non sequitur.
First, if there's no god, that doesn't mean that human life specifically must be devoid of any meaning.
Second, life as a whole tends to avoid death (at the individual and collective levels).
@@chadrasmussen1154 I reject your baseless, non-sequitor. Meaning and purpose in life is not necessarily tied to a god.
Brad's arguments boil down to a giant "argument from incredulity". Brad: "I can't prove God exists. But, it just has to!" SO PATHETIC!
I often get frustrated with Matt's lack of patience with callers, but I totally understand it. It's the same argument over and over and its only considered an argument because they say it is. Filling gaps with God just because is not an answer. It's throwing your hands up and saying you need an answer where one is not yet known. Not that it won't be known and that it can't, but that it isn't yet. You can say I don't know and leave it there and eventually there will be an answer. We just have to find it. God has historically been given credit to everything up until the moment we find out it wasn't a god at all and that it can be both explained and replicated. So what was the point of giving God credit in the first place, Brad? Say "I don't know yet" and leave it there. Don't insert God because you feel like you need an answer. If anything, embark on finding the answer yourself. Who knows, maybe it will end up being God (doubt), but until you arrive at that point, you're applying an answer that has not earned its position.
3:56 “Logically, a system cannot create itself.” So logically, a god could not create itself
Matt was exceptionally calm in front of a dumb liar.
Because Matt knows Brad is a moron, and he's letting Forest take the reins...
"It's-a me, logical fallacy. Wahoo!"
I love it 😂
now I got the urge to play some Mario 64!
"We don't know how the universe began, therefor I know how the universe began." every version of the Cosmological Argument in a nutshell.
And people call atheists "arrogant".
Hello? Hello? Hello? what a shitty start.
I love it when Forrest loses his patience
"There's a dude that lives there" is such a funny line to me. God lives rent free in Christians' mind.
I love God
@@chadrasmussen1154 Which one and why?
It's a-me, Jesus Christ, I-a died for you-a sins. Ha-Ha!
You must be Father Guido Sarducci.
@@cshubs I still recall the time he found the Pope's wallet
Funny hoohoo Jesus
@@BaronVonQuiply I can't find that clip and don't remember it. 😞
@@cshubs I believe it would be October, 7th 1995
Argument from personal incredulity again. 99.9% of apologist arguments boils down to this.
OMG! Jesus just came to earth. I saw lobster Jesus on Jimmy Kimmel. He came to throw fish and bread at the audience. May Lobster Jesus bless you 😂
you'll be damned to boil in garlic butter for eternity... repent, be contrite and ask forgiveness from the loving Spaghetti Flying Monster
Lo, he must be the one true Messiah, he that is called Jesus Crustacean.
@justsayineh3447
Narrator: And thus began the Great Schism between the Lobsterians and Crabites…
Finally, a religion I can get behind.
@justsayineh3447 All hail our crustation overlords!
Look at the big brain on Brad!
I see what you did there . . . . and I love it.
"Does your god look like a bitch?"
"Wh...what?
*_"Does. He. Look. Like. A. Bitch?"_*
That's right."Big kahuna god theory".He's a smart motherf***a.
19:20 Perfectly synchronized “No!”
So amanuel had his brother call in?
Yes!!!!
Finally! The answer we all have been looking for ... Forrest created the universe!
Of course - after all, look at the trees :-)
Let's all believe it, it'll be fun. We could write a holy book about it. I can offer some light-hearted short stories and maybe a silly little poem here and there.
And that's why the universe the way it is! With the abiogenesis, evolution and all that stuff!
I can confirm he did. I was there to supervise and I didn't have to interfere at any point. All his. First try.
zero is not nothing. zero is an additive identity.
Nope, zero is a word.
I want the t-shirt! "Forrest created the universe"
Being religious and being a critical thinker are two mutually exclusive things
"Because Mario" is probably the best argument I've heard on this show. So....
How is "magic did it," ever a logical answer?
That perfectly synchronized “no!” At 19:20 is greatness! 😂
The time to believe in a claim is when there is valid and verifiable evidence to support that claim.
I ask theists to provide valid and verifiable evidence, but thy never do.
3:27 😂
Continuing to speak and interrupt only to then interrupt to say you’re sorry for interrupting and then continuing to try and get in that you’re sorry for interrupting
I just can’t even.. 😂
You can tell this call is really gonna go places
What a load of garbage...Dunning Kruger on full display.
20:09 The Nothing is what Bastian and Atreyu had to fight to save the universe.
Brad goes hand in hand with the words..irrationally confused.
11:08 yet you think this invisible timeless being creats stuff out of nothing. Question: How can anyone tell the difference between something creating itself and an invisible being creating it?
Ah! Logic!
A tree = a tree… and just LOOK at the trees!
It's elmentary
Brad; "You definitely made great points and I agree with you but"
"Everything before the word but is horseshit" - Game of Thrones.
Argument ad Nintendo
There's a beauty
The question they need to ask him is "Do you think it's possible that there's an alternate explanation for the existence of the universe" or "have you exhausted all the possible explanations"
Far too many of us humans just can not get out of our own heads.
Drop your existential dread for half a second and understanding becomes possible. "Why am I here, and what does it all mean?" is an interesting question, but it doesn't need an answer. You dont have to decide one to live your life. In fact, you might just become more aware of a grander tapestry, and stop being so self-absorbed.
Whenever I ask myself the question, "Why am I here, and what does it all mean?" I take time out to have a beer and hotdog to think it over. It only took a few years for me to realise I'm here to consume beer and hotdogs and the universe exists only to supply them to me. Pretty soon I believe Jenny Craig will also enter the equation.
That was fascinating to listen to. The caller argued against his own conclusion like 3 times, but didn’t notice. He kept circling back to “how can we know anything beyond our natural universe?”, but would then conclude that there is a god beyond it. In his Mario analogy, the caller himself is Mario and has no access to the means of creation behind him or the game
How even do phones work? Will anyone ever know?
Subliminal energy from the mind of god, all hail Zeus!
@@Jcs57All hail the mighty Thor, Zeus don’t exist fool!
Look at the Trees.
I mean...those tree trunks that hold the wires up in the air.
Acknowledges that there's a delay, then immediately forgets it.
Love Forrest and Matt, it's like Good cop, Bad Cop. 😂
Gotta say, I love the Eru Illuvatar reference from Forrest!
what a confusing word salad about his beliefs and the reasons for them - he actually believes he is being logical ! caller, with all the characteristics of bible affliction, needs to go to school and learn everything all over again especially syllogisms and critical reasoning.
“I exist, therefore a god MUST exist”. Wow
God deff exists lol
Brad...I want what I believe to be true....and so it is.
Isn’t God a something that came from nothing? God is born of a lack of knowledge or understanding. Therefore, something came from nothing. Does this concept demonstrate this in the abstract? Does this make any sense? I don’t know. This was a frustrating call.
"If I lift a boulder by myself, it's heavy. If I lift a boulder with one other person, its not as heavy." HUUUUUUHHH!!!!?
Sorry Jesus but the princess is in another castle
I don't know why everyone is wasting their time. The universe and everything and everyone one in it, including all their memories, was vomited up by my dog seven minutes ago.
“ a system can’t create itself” guarantee if you ask how God came to be, he would say God made itself or has always existed
If anything this call ahows how and why people hold all sorts of beliefs; it comes down to not being comfortable with the unknown, and filling that void with something of our choosing to make us feel comfortable by believing that assertion is equal to actual knowledge.
Beyond being a lost cause.
Love the mug, Forrest. I'm sure there's a line in here somewhere about being unable to get a handle on things or something, but I can't think of it right now.
Forest on fire in this one
A Forrest fire?
Why do people think that “because we are here” means someone put us here? It’s ridiculous childish logic
1:48 what does he mean by “maths is incomplete”?
That’s a peculiar claim and I don’t see the connection to the existence of god.
Though it is sounding like the biggest god of the gaps flex ever.
What he meant to say is 'my knowledge of math is incomplete'. 😅😅😅😊
I think this guy has a very herbaceous God.
How can anyone not understand that anything that is outside of reality is, by definition, not real. These people use the word 'logic,' but apparently have no idea how logic works.
Word salad
The broken mug at the end was so sad; I guess that Forrest finally had a bad day
I missed that the first few times around, it was like a short film hidden at the tail of the clip (non-sarcastically, it works)
don't understand something? must be god. Well that explains Geometry for me.....(extreme sarcasm)
Ain't no way he used the Shadow puppets in a cave analogy using Mario💀
Brad's problem is that he's never actually thought for himself before. He's listened to preachers/pastors/whatever and thinks those people are the smartest ones on Earth.