If you want to actually involve the police AND have them arrested like they should be, just put some real money or a money order in the box. Even $5-$10 and BOOM, you are the victim and the police have a case to arrest them for mail fraud and money laundering. This kid was 1000% not telling you the truth, he was trying to protect himself from getting in trouble. I guarantee you he is still at this and just on to the next one.
Report these people to the IRS for tax evasion. The government doesn't give a shit about its citizens, but if you don't give them your money, justice will be swift.
I honestly thought from all the holes and tatters in the hoody that he was poor and I almost felt sorry for him. People be crazy paying $400 for something that gross.
You guys were way too early to jump on his side. I still think he was lying the whole time after watching the video. He knows what he's doing and is in on this 100%
well they said they were on his side to make him feel more comfortable talking to them. also they really want to bust the guy controlling it all, not just the little guys.
Don't be afraid to let the silence linger after you ask a question. People really hate that silence and will start talking, especially if they know you are waiting for a response. Some police interrogation tactics would be really handy when confronting these losers. I still think you guys did an amazing job!
No, that is to light. Just have him sit down on the ground on his butt, then have Ashton walk over, from the car, wearing a tight-fitting leather tank top and a leather thong, holding a jar of Vaseline.
if you dont let the silence sit you can actually give them comfort. they know you're not cracking.. also if you talk too much you, and you're not trained pro, you can totally create a case for entrapnment, coercion, or worse.
Dude this kid is not a victim he’s in this 100%. Just like what other scammers do, they have someone called “picker” who gets 10% for receiving the money from victims and send it to scammers. And I bet you this kid won’t quit working with them
Report these people to the IRS for tax evasion. The government doesn't give a shit about its citizens, but if you don't give them your money, justice will be swift.
Geeze! I've been in law enforcement for 26 years and this is not safe guys! I completely commend what you are doing and your efforts. But people are very unpredictable when they feel their freedom is at stake. If you really want to continue doing this, please get someone who has training to accompany you. This video had me on edge, especially when this guy was shaking- that's a "fight or flight" reaction. Be safe, guys, please. This is just my opinion, not legal advice.
This is seriously dangerous stuff guys. I’m actually worried for you. You need backup and support. Unfortunately you need more than balls guys, which you undoubtedly have.
I agree, they aren't professionals and this could get dangerous. They don't have the knowledge of what they're walking up to. There could have been more people there, they could be carrying weapons...a caged animal can be deadly. Plus, they can be putting themselves in legal turmoil. If they don't approach things correctly, the law could be against them too. Trespassing, taking someone's private property...and mail fraud isn't a thing when it wasn't sent through the system. They're teetering the line. I say this with love and concern.
I know y'all fear for your lives when somebody's finger twitches, but anxiety is a normal response to this and doesn't indicate that he's dangerous. It was clear the whole time that this kid was passive and just freaking out.
@@taraesquire1 lol send really illegal things through the mail and make anonymous tip to the cops....then they have to get involved. Not really saying do that to be clear. Just funny thought on how to make the system work for you in this case. But seriously respect yourself is right because all it takes is the first hardcore 2strike person in CA to make it go really bad really fast and it doesn't look like you all are approaching it being aware of that danger and that kid was more aware of that potential danger from his boss than y'all were from is he was freaking out.
i could be wrong but this guy knows way more than the says he knows, Plus he said he would get $300-400 and the guy on the phone said he would transfer $2.000 to his account, doesn't add up and therefore, in my opinion, the police should have been called.
similar to last time, highly doubt anything would've been done because there were no "victims". someone else suggested putting $10 in the box so there's value. i would have to read up on my laws to know if that would do anything
The thing is if the police had been called, the kid is out from university, he is gonna be either in prison, or deported back to china. And his parents would just have too much to take, so i kinda get it they didn’t wanna go that far. I am not stereotyping anything but why is it that the chinese just love flaunting their brands, especially a supreme bag. They really love their rich life, just goes on to show materialism can really be a bitch 😂
I don't understand why they bait us with seeing a scammer exposed, and then as soon as they meet one, they believe everything they say despite complete non-cooperation.
Y’all should’ve just called the cops he clearly wasn’t cooperating and was clearly in on this, he was lying to you and he was staying quiet. He played you.
@@jasongeo2321 They can''t do anything about Scamming people out of tens of thousands and laundering money? Really? They can. The questions are, is it worth their time? Is it a "serious" crime? I believe the answers to those questions are "yes" They can indeed do something and send people down for a very long time as long as there's more than enough evidence. But that's past the Police at the point. They just arrest on suspicion of committing a crime.
yea very good bluff, and the "keep ur hands in front" lol instantly triggered him thinking u was law enforcement which is why he kept putting them infront especially the "i'm not gonna ask again" LOLOL but i do suggest u get some security cause he coulda killed ya'll
I've done the fact finding Q&A a lot professionally. I'd like to help with your technique and approach. Back to back questions need to stop, ask an open-ended questions and wait for them to fill the silence. Don't lead them, don't give them answers. You want to know what they know, not show them what you know
He’s going to keep doing this because it’s easy money. It’s very good acting.fooled the guy because they really wanted to believe they could turn his life around. Uber to the new place and keep the packages moving
But he's definitely fresh from the boat. Unlike the 2 PO Box front desks, asking for badge and supremeno. He has the right not to speak and show his iD but he just comply.
You CLEARLY need to read more about mules. We aren’t here to talk about the innocence of this guy, it’s by the operation that is run by. This two guys just put in danger this guy’s life and most probably he might have been tortured or killed by now.
You guys need to leverage the power of silence. You're hitting all the right buttons to get them to roll, but you're not giving them a chance to fill in that silence with a confession.
Recommendation from prior law enforcement....please dont ever give the bad guy possible answers when you are questioning them...don't give them a single idea or a list of ideas or they might just pick one as an easy option and then they lead you down a bad line of questioning where you are helping them with their own story. Excellent job tracking down these losers though! Im proud of you guys for sticking your necks out and doing this because normal law enforcement and businesses cant do anything usually as you learned first-hand while making these videos. We all need to push for new legislation to prevent these crimes, we need red flag scammer legislation (seriously) to help shut down mailboxes and postal addresses that are part of a scam network and we need to arrest the mules and go after all parties involved in these scam networks, including cooperating with Interpol.
Agreed! I think it’s unfortunate how flawed the law enforcement process is. I imagine that they would save a lot more time, energy, and people if they took a more proactive and preventative approach to crime, rather than solely focusing on being reactive after crimes happen. These guys have literally given them so many really good leads that they won’t even investigate because the crime “hasn’t happened yet.” This is a very counter productive approach to crime solving.
If you were in prior law enforcement, you should be telling these guys to stop what their doing and leave it to professionals, or else they, or someone else is going to get hurt. Their confrontation and questioning is all wrong and they will never get the answers they need. People are saying that the police can't do anything, etc. It's because none of this is done properly and none of the right people are involved.
Evil Deeds Now that's obviously and painfully untrue. I used to have a channel long ago where I called and messed with scammers, and I got a lot of info that I could have used to report them... That is, if I had even thought of that as a possible option. I tried to stop a scam once by calling my local dispatch office and filing a police report, and this is when I was in high school. It should be noted that the police did nothing to fix the scam; they didn't even so much as follow up with me to tell me the case would not be pursued any further because it was declared that much of a waste of time to them. As such, the thought of reporting that info to the FBI never even crossed my mind, and even now as you point it out I scoff at the idea because it's completely unfounded. Do you really think the FBI is going to do anything with a report of scammers stealing people's money from overseas when they can barely handle crimes being committed in their own country? TM aren't scammers for not calling the FBI about this; they've actually got common sense.
@SsSs RoBbSs these guys arent advanced to your point about it being incorrect. My comment was specific to what they are trying to do in this type of scenario...theyre not questioning 5 different people to see if their stories jive; they only have one person to question and shouldnt supply answers...but I do get your point in other scenarios. I agree this video was a waste with how they handled it. I would have driven to the next drop point with this scammer mule that they caught.
His fit is trash. Cheap gold chain, supreme fanny that isn’t worth much, black air forces and cheap denim. I have undershirts more than this whole outfit combined. Kid isn’t that deep into it.
@Jay Theyme You cannot possibly assess his familial situation or not worth based on a partially obscured video. Wearing a certain sweatshirt does not always directly correlate to having "lots and lots of money". I have a Louis Vuitton bag, and I'm broke as fuck. Furthermore, he is an immigrant in the United States. That's all you know about him. Let's ease up on the prejudice. You dont know anything about this guy or what kind of life he is living, not do you know the reasons that led him to get involved with shady business like this. Desperation can drive the best of people to the most evil of deeds.
@Fic9 he def knows more than he told but he's a stupid kid not a con man. I mean he handed over his ID pretty easily so unless it was a fake, he's no con man. He was a pretend hustler & this might have set him straight but prob not.
@Fic9 That's what I was thinking. And it was the worst interrogation ever. He talked too much, told him he knew nothing about how the scam operation works and then started to give him possible answers to every question he asked. The kid had probably picked up the car later on and had a good laugh. And if they really did exchange phone numbers there is a chance he's gonna call and lure them into a trap!
That part of an interrogation. They make it seem like they understand where your coming from so it's easier for the person to answer. I'm not saying they are good at interrogating but they get some of it right.
@@AZ-jd5cr Well yes, it would be a technique to produce a confession or at least more information - if it were done correctly. In this case it did nothing other than to help the criminal think of excuses for his behavior. Just taught him to lie better & be prepared for the next time he's caught by someone with actual authority or who will contact police to get an investigation started.
Obviously he didn’t stop the business, the kid just finessed the shit out of them. He lied about everything “3-4 hundred” yet the dude said he deposited 2k to his account. It’s all fake. Trilogy is good at catching scams, but not so good at reading it in plain sight
Agree. Wish when they got the second guy on the phone that they didn't state that it was over. If they would've got the kid to state that he had the package and set up a meet, maybe they could've gotten farther in the investigation.
I think he was afraid to talk because he's afraid they're going to go after him for exposing their operations. At the same time his conversation with the guy on the phone made it clear that he knows that what he's doing is illegal. Honestly don't know what to believe but his reactions after you talked with him seemed to be genuine where he's actually scared they will 'go after him'.
They know where he lives, but they probably won’t kill him because there never was any cash to begin with. What DOES worry me is that the crooks could trace Art’s cell phone number to his address. Frankly, I’m most concerned for Art and Ashton.
@@JPMJPM Ashton and Art don't really need to be concerned, in my opinion.. If they were to do anything to them (something I've barely ever heard of in years of scammer research), it would be shocking. They're public figures. It would make more sense for the crooks to stay out of the spotlight, totally change up their game-plan/methods, and come back with a totally new scam. Coming after Trilogy Media would just expose them even more, and as of right now, all Trilogy Media knows about the scammer on the phone is his name (if that isn't fake) and nothing else. It just doesn't make sense to try to come after people who are openly working to expose them.
Jakin Lee It’s also why I think these people should serve life in prison because they’re ruining peoples lives and if they’re not gonna be of any use to society then why should we keep them In society Let’s go ahead and ruin their lives and return and throw them in jail and let them rot like a worthless things that they are For the rest of the worthless and miserable useless lives This sounds harsh but I mean every word of it and it more
22:20 interrogation tip: • ask open ended question Biggest tip: • when you ask a question; wait for an answer. If he is quiet and you ask a question. Wait for an answer. Quit yapping. You constantly keep asking questions and if he don’t answer the question you kept either; yapping off and kept playing with his ego or you ask a different question or you ask the same question in a different form. Ask an open ended question and wait for an answer. If he quiet; bask in the silence and wait for an answer. There was a point where you asked who Mr X is and your partner kept telling him to put his hands in front and he got nervous and went quiet and then you went and asked a different question. Just ask one question and wait.
@@nutt2252 When someone asks a question and then waits for an answer, and there's nothing but silence, already uncomfortable people will be made more so because most people hate the silence and will want to fill it. People who aren't trained to resist that temptation to fill the silence will maybe begin with non answers, non sequitur's, but eventually they'll get tired of hearing the same question and then silence, so they'll wind up telling the truth anyway. Op is right, it just takes longer. The questioner just has to have more patience than the one they're questioning.
@@nutt2252 Nah he said some truth. THe point of interrogation is to make them talk a lot and screen the incoming info, then used it for mo specific question and look for errors. The silence thing does work wonders. They might not answer your question, but they WILL TALK. Whether it's the answer for your question, one you were gonna ask later or just a lie doesn't really matter. They are digging themselves deeper and you're not the one doing the talking. There's no chance at getting information if the one asking is the one doing the talking.
33:22 I believe what he said is "我被人弄了,这有人 ", which means I got found out by someone, there is someone here. But due to his mumbling of words, I can't quite understand clearly for the first time. 36:07 He said “有人啊，老哥”, which means there is someone, brother(a Chinese slang like a bro in English, not a necessary blood relative). I heard this quite clearly and I am almost certain that's exactly what he said to Mr. X as he told u guys he is from China. If this information doesn't seem convincing, please copy these Chinese words to google translate. Please like this to get more attention.
Yes, I heard the same. And there were bits where he seemed helpless but confused about what to do. It seems as if he was trying to play along but didn't know how things worked properly. Maybe he is just a newbie scammer who just takes orders.
OMG yes! I made the same comment on a different video of theirs. I mean if you shoplift something worth $1 you get arrested. I think it would make a huge difference with the cops. They really should listen to us! Lol!
Actually, chances are that cops won't bother arresting you for shoplifting something worth $1. But in this particular case, I still agree that it would probably make a difference because the cops would gladly use the $1 as an excuse to arrest someone that they know has stolen thousands.
Put in a single pill of a prescription drug. Some guy stole a car and crashed it in my front yard. The police caught him because the 4x4 from my fence got jammed between his wheel and the wheel well on his front wheel drive car so he decided to walk down the sidewalk like nothing happened. The car he stole belonged to a pharmaceutical representative with samples in the trunk. Grand theft auto, reckless endangerment, felony possession.
I've watched Scammer Payback for a long time, and this is my first time watching your video. I am amazed at how calm and understanding you guys are! Youre not trying to cause a fight, youre not using your "power" to intimidate people, you just want to get to the bottom of it. I admire your way of dealing with this situation. I agree that this couldve gone really bad, but I am also a firm believer (after watching scammer payback) that you KNOW that these people are not directly involved, and usually is scammed into this as well. Please stay safe!
This guy's body language just looks like he's waiting for it to pass, tell them what they want to hear so that he can get back to getting his dirty money. 🤦♀️
Totally agree. Him talking in a different language to his "boss" is very telling. He doesn't feel bad. I would actually say he probably enjoys scamming Americans.
nah, he's probably dead by now, he's just a disposable tool for them, has no value, became a liability, now he's dead that's why they recruit kids, easy to manipulate, easy to throw under the bus and let them go to jail or kill them when they're no longer needed they probably don't even know enough info to give anything to the police if caught
@@MacetazzOpina stupic comment. why do SJWs throw these phobic and isms around. Nothing in that comment said she hated, disliked asians. She did not say Chinese like to scam people, she is talking about scammers.. Your comment could be taken the same way. Why not go to Kitboga and tell him he is a xeniphobe for saying stuff about the indian scammers.
@Drewe Carlson No, we don't. The most I've ever made was around $30/hr. It's a lot better than the $23/hr I was making at my last job that I got laid off from 6 yrs ago. But no, anyone that tells you Uber drivers make more than $100/hr is a liar.
@Drewe Carlson Wherever you live must have insane surge pricing. I've ridden in ubers for 30min and paid about $30-something on average. Double that for an hour and it is still under $100. Then you know Uber is gonna take their cut.
I agree!! The other video where the cops were called, the two of them were talking over each other constantly and nothing was accomplished. I really like Vlad, but sometimes he has a hard time getting his point across. I also made a comment on that video about their dialogue because of that.
This boy is definitely only in the job for 1 week. He could have asked for a badge, supreno (like the 2 experienced PO BOX front desk) and don't have to say anything. He don't even have to show them his ID ...
I know this is old, but I love that you are protecting this young kid. Some times you have to lose the battle to win the war and that’s what you guys did. You are all such amazing examples of strength and dedication. Thank you for all you do! 🙏
Great job guys and and as it is clear this young man is most likely here on some sort of my government visa and as far as we are concerned he is now subject for deportation thank you for the info blessings
The kid being interviewed seemed to call his boss “兄弟“ which literally translated is “brother “ but culturally would suggest he knows him better than he pretended.
Not necessarily, I am chinese and calling someone 兄弟 in this scenario most of the time just means you are in on something together. Its a way to create trust between each other and a sense of security. It's like you calling other people "what's up bro?".. you would feel like you're closer or cared than you actually are.
@@SirPraiseSun Saying something like this is pretty much a racist type comment where you are just wanting anyone with different nationality go back to their country. China is not even safe and yet you say this type of stuff is worse than someone telling you "Why don't you go to Afganastan or North Korea?" since you seem so experienced in bullying others including spreading hate around. That is not right. Before you even say something on here that shows your racist self and telling people to go back to their country, why don't you actually think before you talk and maybe you would understand that anyone in the US is also a legal citzen who is actually staying in this country too for not only schooling but also trying to have a better life. I heard these types of "send them back to their country" and the "You don't belong here. Go back to where you came from" phrase so many times and for you having the audacity to say that to someone whether they are Chinese or not, that is very appalling, shameful, and disappointing.
When he had his boss on the phone, you should have told him to say he had the box and was on the way to drop it off. You could have put a tracker on his car and follow him and found out who he was working for. By playing your card, you lost the chance the follow the money to see where it actually ended up. You caught the mule, but you messed up the chance to bust the big boss and put him in prison for life.
the scammer would have known. are you kidding me? this is a big fucking organization/mafia. they'll sense something is wrong immediately. a very dangerous situation was avoided by not doing what you said.
So this video was litterally pointless they did nothing for nobody i feel like i got scammed waitin for these dudes to handle that lil idiot he calls him smart just for going to school lmao
@@jaggy-snake That's the problem bro. They're fucking with organized crime for views instead of using the very good lead they generated to work with organizations built to take them down.
I feel like your intentions are good, it’s the execution that kinda goes down the drain. If there was a better plan of attack, better personalities/actors that did the confronting or an actual detective that knows how to interrogate without bullying, along with a goal in mind (including back up plans) this would go over so much smoother. What’s the point of contacting the drop off person if you don’t have authorities there to back you up? These could potentially be really dangerous people. Be safe. Ya know, let it play out, fill the box with counterfeit money (monopoly money would be hilarious) bug the box with a mic, listen in on what they’re saying. Follow the dude to drop off points, stuff like that, instead of straight up catching one guy, he’s not gonna tell you the truth, guaranteed. They need to feel safe, not attacked. Same with all the other encounters on previous videos, get more people involved that have better communication skills. You guys can totally film it, but let other people do the talking and convincing. For example, the store owners from the previous video both felt attacked and they immediately saw you as the threat, there’s no coming back from that. Maybe a hidden lav mic to capture audio and camera outside the place through the window or something just for the initial encounter with the store owners to build a strong relationship before cramming criminals in their faces. You need to have a calm, professional appearance and identity tell them exactly who you are with a company name tag/ID card. Also, sorry, but a Russian accent is very intimidating to Americans. You guys can be doing so much more good if you had a better strategy. I’m also a professional filmmaker and story consultant. I’d love to collab!
Yes! They should collab with Mark Rober who did something like that. Here’s his video catching thieves with wired packages ua-cam.com/video/a_TSR_v07m0/v-deo.html . It’s hilarious 😆
I TOTALLY AGREE with you. He was super intimidating to the business owners. If I were the business owners, I would have thought that these guys were trying to pull a scam on ME! They went about it all wrong and way too strong.
Law enforcement will not do anything about it, the ones they lick the boots of are the ones behind it. commonsenseevaluation.com/2016/11/26/the-clinton-ties-to-the-nigerian-prince-scam/
When the call came in and he's speaking Chinese, I felt so embarrassed. Can't believe that they are doing this and when he picked up the phone, he immediately warned the caller, saying "there's someone here, they got me""there's someone here bro". He was calm and I don't believe that he's quitting. From the conversation, I don't believe that he's manipulated cause they know each other. Moreover, people are losing job in this pandemic, not saying it's if they do this earlier, it just makes it worse.
That's what I thought. I'm not convinced the kid isn't WAY more involved than he claimed. Why would he tell the other guy he got caught unless he was trying to protect him?
Xinyu Yang Xinyu, I understand how you would feel that way, but don’t. I would prob feel the same way too if it was someone the same ethnicity as me. But you or I didn’t do what all those evil ppl doing. Thank you for translating. Man, this has blown my mind wide open. I can’t believe they do this. They think all Americans are rich but nope.
do you know how many cruise scams, data job scams, lottery scams there are? They are bad people doing bad things, they can be anybody speaking any language. individuals are to be judged, not your ethnicity, so don't make this a Chinese thing because they speak Chinese or look Chinese. We got enough profiling and segregation going on, we don't need more pointing fingers instead judge them by their actions.
over here they rent a hotel and drive rental cars cause the laws are your possessions are confiscated for drug crimes . The law enforcers should create bogus car hire companies ...
Vlad I must tell you this. I am hooked on watching you guys and the great cause you are fighting for. However I had never seen a video from you guys like this. Vlad you were so caring, education and such awesome talking to this kid. He will never forget that talk. You talked to him like a father. Awesome job!!! Super proud of you!!
Great video guys ! you can be very proud :) 1. advise Turn down the scary music a little bit, its louder than you're voices - like the touch, but its to loud . 2. advise Let them scam you for a few bucks so the police have a victim and can make a case. 3. advise let each other finish a sentence whene you talk with people, they are getting spooked when you to big guys speak over each other whene you try to explain whats going on. im new here but im here to stay :) bad english i know hope you get the points best Luuxen
Yes an ex bounty hunter, I had a friend who owned a bail bond company, I went on a few hunts with him, it was a great experience, a lot of adrenaline when you guard a back door or check a spot or hide out. Anyways, a bounty hunter would be perfect for this.
@Evil Deeds You are correct.but the Cyber-Division of the FBI will take it as an interest since the pandemic made the Internet very active for crime and other uses so the scammers can slip through.Also UA-camrs can clickbait and scam on their merch store.
Why are you protecting his identity when he is the problem? Dude is wearing a $350 hoodie.... He is full of it and will go right back to what he is doing...
This could have been handled better. I hope that kid ended up okay. It's apparent this is a bigger organization managing this. Your efforts in ending these scams should be applauded but there's also a need to protect people, like this kid, from being made example of by the people using him. His desperation to get involved in criminal activity just to go to school is very sad indeed.
@@PramodShettythat's not 100% all the time tho. Not defending him he could be lying but some could get killed for saying anything. Just them getting in this from being young and dumb.
@btsxskz7866 these scammers won't kill anyone. They don't have anyone in the US, that's why they use mules. When a mule is burned they just delete their number and move on to the next.
cssruth I like the concept, but it’s not a good idea to needlessly put micro plastics into the environment for a bit of petty revenge. In order to go green, maybe replace it with dog poop or something instead.
I can confirm these scammers contact college kids. While I attended college I got an email from someone claiming to be a professor at the university and needed an assistant to pick up mail for them as a part time job while they were away on a study abroad with other students. They said I’d be paid $100 an hour and as a poor college kid that’s an opportunity you can’t pass up. Later the university sent out an email to all the students saying to ignore this persons email because they are a scammer so yes these people go after college students.
I know what this guy did was wrong, but I'm actually worried about his safety. The type of people he was employed by do not stuff around. This vid was 2 years ago... I hope he is OK and still at school or graduated.
They need to file a case or to help victim to file a case. Basically they need to coop with youtuber that covers legal stuff to make police do something.
Good shit, the production of this is on the level of a network tv show like To Catch a Predator. Also noticed Art has gotten much better at the interrogation this time. He came in a little (understandably) hot in the last one with the PO boxes, but this time was perfect. You have to find the right balance between aggressive and calm. If you can get them to think divulging information to you is preferable to anyone else (hard to explain but kind of like you are the only one who has a chance of being on their side in the end) while at the same time making them believe that if you don't get the information or are lied to they will be in a world of shit, you will get much more information.
Great work again guys! Art...your approach on this was so much better. You were so calm instead of being loud and confrontational. Well done for making that change in your interpersonal skills.
I cant believe all the work you're putting into this. I have a hard time believing you guys have less than a million subs. Keep making these and I dont doubt for a second you'll get there. Especially since y'all have raised the elderly lady almost every dime of the money she lost in the first episode. You guys deserve it and good luck.
This drives me nuts. Like wtf. How are you gonna confront someone but approach them like a they are a little child. What happens if you go and try this type of stuff with someone who really doesn't care and turns around and shoots one of you? Its stupid either take some lessons on how to deal with criminals properly or stop getting involved.
The Russian dude is cool. It's the other guy...even the beginning of this video Im like "Man, this guy is obnoxious"....like nobody ever listened to him, but now they will because he has a Youtbue channel. He seems to have some type of superiority complex. I would 1) never play vigilante and 2) never roll up to someone's home and tell them what to do with their body language. "Hands in front"...they're lucky the assailant is basically a meek kid and not some bad MFer.
You guys blew it on this one. I’ve just come accross your channel and the only 2 videos that I’ve watched from you guys, you’ve approached it horribly and blew the whole operation. You need to let the scammer think that everything is normal and be patient and instead of talking just listen and observe. You’d learn a lot more if you guys don’t open your mouth the first chance you get. Just being honest. This kid was in on it too. You guys are trying to do something good, but are just really bad at it.
@@spetsnazrussia2446 cops shouldnt do this because it is illegal. Intimidating him for ID was a violation of his 4th amendment rights, making him take off the mask also violates the 4th amendment held up by Terry v ohio, asking him questions while he is intimidated without a lawyer is a violation of his 5th amendment rights. asking him to sign and then threatening mail fraud is entrapment. If a cop did what these guys did then that cop belongs in jail.
@@merlin4real They don't have any kind of law enforcement authority, entrapment doesn't apply, that's ridiculous. The 5th? Also ridiculous, again they have no authority and he is not under oath, he doesn't have to say shit to them and he can legally lie his ass off if he wants. They also have no authority to ask for ID, that wasn't a good idea...but it's also not a violation of anyone's rights to ask for it. Also no one can "make" you take off your mask, they asked and he complied...not illegal but again not cool. The hands thing was for their safety, they wanted to see his hands in case he had a weapon tucked away. I would have done the same thing. I'm noticing a trend here. You seem to be under the impression that because he was intimidated that he was being forced to do these things. That's not force. There was no force involved here, he could have easily refused to do all of these things. It's up to every individual to know their rights and know when to refuse requests, saying "oh but your honor they asked me to and I was scared so I did it!" wouldn't exactly hold up in court.
@@rovers141 fooling someone into giving up their rights that doesnt understand them is no better that fooling a person who doesnt understand computers to give you money. I'll simplify this for you. Just because he did bad does not make it ok to do bad to him.
New sub and LIKED from Scammer Payback. Awesome. You really need to have an intervention contingency for mules to feel safe and be able to go on with their lives. I would have suggested the mule lose his cellphone as the scammer's probably have him traced. They will harass him until he is either incarcerated or dead. You really put his life in further danger the way you left it.
I appreciate what you guys are doing, but you have to be VERY careful doing things like this. You have no idea who might be at those homes when you get there and if they're armed.
Yes indeed, and since they are on his property, he is within his rights to forcefully remove them. In addition, the kid is being held against his will, which is kidnapping. They are also using threatening language.
@@kennyfordham6208 The entire time i'm thinking...why didn't he just go in the house and close the door. Let them call the police. They're falsely posing as UPS delivery people and delivering a fake package. Now we have trespassing and verbal threats on top of that. The police are not going to listen to their side because of the laws THEY are breaking.This whole scammer thing is a very tough thing to deal with. I get calls all the time, most recent were 3 days straight of "iCloud Account Hacked" calls. A few of them I strung along then we had bad words back and forth. Now I just block the number in my phone. I appreciate everything you guys are doing with taking down scammers, but you're crossing the line into dangerous territory. BE SAFE!
Yeah trilogy media is walking on thin ice with this form of confrontations. There's no way Investigators can accept it when he's being coerced like that
@@kennyfordham6208 Yeah, TM team is playing a dangerous game doing this. They are not PI's and confronting scammers at their home who are connected to very rich people and this is taking from their operation, is no game.
Be careful guys these situations could be come violent very quickly, if you confront the wrong guy and he feels like he has nothing to lose you could be very seriously injured or killed.
He's way more involved, deceptive throughout, even though I could not see his face, his vocal ranges changed frequently, each time a lie was confronted head on. He is an essential part of that gang, fully aware of the risks and enjoys the spoils of his rewards, from this (self-admitted multiple) malicious criminal activity. A smart kids playing dumb, fooled you into thinking he's innocent YOU LET HIM WALK AWAY, AFTER ADMITTING AT LEAST TEN SIMILAR DROPS. WTF GUYS! You've been watching too much CSI, Vlad, sorry mate, but you're not a very observant investigator/interviewer. He wouldn't need to be bailed out, because I'd bet half his 'gang' are already behind bars, probably sharing COVID-19 rich communal cells/bunks & washing facilities.
@@qbikmusik sorry, but he's right. The hoodie, the phone call (the phone itself wasn't cheap either, I suppose), the 2k share... And also the 10 packages. This guy just wants to enjoy luxury, no matter, where it comes from. They really should've called the police there.
@@freddykabuffke461 And said what? And shown what proof that this individual did each of those drops that isn't circumstantial evidence that a prosecutor of some level would want to spend time/money to go after this person?
Yeah you're right @zurkster. That guy was acting he is innocent and he don't Know anything. How they let him go? Now he will make alert all his scam network.
@Hatori Ibuki I don't know about that. Have you seen how aggressive the police are in America? Even if he is innocent he still has good reason to fear the cops.
He probably waited at most 12 hours before his next pick up after he left. And this time we became more conscious of his surroundings thanks to this incident.
Yeah he did to some degree, he was terrified and afraid to talk after being caught because he knows the legal trouble he was facing. Let's hope that letting him off still put enough fear in him to stop the deliveries. At least if the police had gotten involved it would have sent the scammers running. They probably wouldn't use the kid again. I hope they didn't call him back later to either threaten him or sweeten the deal.
The tears and sorrow are FAKE. He knows he is making easy money. He is full of crap....."Oh, I dont want to get killed but I will participate in this kind of business with these types of people" He knows EXACTLY what he is doing. I cant believe anyone would buy the sorrow and fake tears BS. If they kill him, it wont be a loss. Just one less scumbag scammer. I see no downside.
you guys should partner with the UA-camr "Mark Rober". They made a package where once it's opened, cameras show the face of the package thief and shoot glitter everywhere. In your case, you would be able to see the face of the scammer who opens the box. That way you can have proof without actually having to go out and try to wait for them. Your videos are awesome, and seeing something like that would be really cool. I hope you guys consider this idea!
@@heartsofgoldenrod it's not cash, it's ripped up paper and magazines, like he explained in the beginning of the video. Also, the boxes are also the scammers idea.
I really hope there will an update on how he's doing eventually bc even though I dont believe everything he said I do believe the fear was genuine. I really appreciate the way art was speaking to him instead of speaking at him. If he's smart he'll take their advice to get as far away from this shit as fast as he can!
HE PLAYED YOU GUYS. HE DID THIS SHI MORE THAN 10 TIMES AND YA'LL JUST LET HIM WALK FREE. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS WHOLE THING IF THE SCAMMERS ARE NOT GETTING PUNISH. YOU GUYS CATCH THEM WITH CLEAR EVIDENCE AND LET THEM GO. FRUSTRATING.
We appreciate you guys doing this but you need to work on your execution, you need an expert to do the act. This is for your own safety as well. Be safe guys.
This is all bologna. No real person who does this, would film,while doxxing themselves, faces, location, and what they do. As an open source researcher I could easily find all these people. Hahaha it's all so staged
I'm an Iraq war veteran. One of the most disappointing things I've witnessed in my life is how many military officers saw the false information that was being fed to the public in the lead up to the invasion and said nothing within their chain of command. In private most had legitimate concerns and questions, but they never spoke out. They put their careers before everything else. They made excuses like "it's not my job to question." They didn't consider the definition of the word duty and what that really means. Look where it led our country. Watching your videos and seeing the police, business owners and even workers deflect accountability brings those memories flooding back. It's fine to delegate responsibility for a problem to someone else, but we can never delegate accountability for what happens in our neighborhoods. I just wanted to write and express my extreme gratitude for what you're doing, as a citizen of the United States. Please do not listen to the people who say "you need more training." You're doing what these people don't have the talent, motivation or (most important) the morals to accomplish themselves. You clearly understand the fundamentals of investigative reporting and it's obvious you're gaining more situational awareness every time you act on new information and tips. Training more often than not is a crutch that prevents people from gaining invaluable experience. Our country is great because throughout history there have been people like you who set aside concerns for their immediate safety to consider how they might make the world a better place. We need these criminals exposed, caught and put in jail. But perhaps even more than that we need people like you to speak with a moral voice and confront these individuals to tell them what they are doing is wrong. Not just against the law, but fundamentally amoral and sickening.
You should of been the lady trap lol seriously please let them know so we can really see them be less intimidated, making the confrontation even easier.
This kid is totally lying. Some may not know, but the clothes he is wearing are designer (They're pretty expensive) and I believe that Airbnb was his also so it just goes to show he ain't just doing this for $100.
sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone is dirt poor and homeless or wearing "designer" clothes. :'D Cali's clothing styles are retarded. Although I have to say that even I know that ridiculous Supreme brand and how expensive all their shit is, I'm surprised these guys didn't pick up on that.
Richard Dukard I still believe what he has on is legit and plus I’m pretty sure that Airbnb is his too so he has to be making good money because those aren’t cheap, especially in that area
No he was legitimately scared, like he likely was already threatened, and chances are he knew more than he was willing to say strictly out of fear. But I'd say involve the cops each and every time(joke intended) Because numerous times we want to see the best in people and they sometimes can see that and play off of it.
he played pretend as scared to gain trust and be left alone. proof of that is he said towards the end "first of all he didn't tell me there was cash if he did i wouldn't have accepted" except few minutes prior in the call the "boss" casually told him that he's gonna give him a bank account where he should've deposited 2000. He also called him brother over the phone. You don't just become a "courier" just like that cause people like your face and you are young and susceptible, it's a whole relatives operation. Kid is employing acting scared tactics to be left alone.
Saw the episode from 'Scammer Payback' today, love him, and he said to check you guys out, so I am and will automatically subscribe to your channel, because what you all are doing, every channel like 'Scammer Payback' and yours and many others, is a admirable thing and so much respect to you all! You guy's are doing what law enforcement should be doing, I understand they may be restricted or don't have jurisdiction etc, so it helps when smart, capable people take over and help and/or get some Payback to this criminals who clearly have no empathy or heart on the lives they are destroying when they scam people out of their hard earned money. Thank you all so much xoxo xo
You guys are doing such a great job by exposing those sinister scammers out there who robbed hundreds and millions of peoples blood and sweat earned money. Those crooks must jailed for life for their unthinkable crimes.
These guys are so dense. Did they really think the kid would give up the guy's name? Especially when he's being recorded. They need to rethink their approach.
That is all I kept thinking about. I truly feel that kid was scared shitless not by them but by his employer potentially finding out what transpired. As the saying goes play stupid games win stupid prizes.
That’s exactly what I was thinking...his boss could be Triads or some other organized crime group. Bc this kid said anything at all...and called his boss could have easily given him a one way ticket to the bottom of the Bay. I love what these two are trying to do, but their confrontation videos are very unprofessional and could easily get themselves killed one of these days.
I’m glad people are giving you solid, constructive advice. You have my sincere admiration for the important work you are doing. Please stay safe, all of you. ❤️
man you broke him (in a good way) with that line about "where are you from; I'm from russia." because it's not the usual "you're an immigrant" - it's, "we could be similar" - you reminded him of home, family - and with that, his conscience. We need more guys like you in society, Vlad!
33:05 - he's asking the kid to count the cash and wire the money (probably via online paying platform like wechat pay), so he's definitely into this whole mule thing
Yup that was the part that proved his claim that he thought it was "materials for making stuff", I could potentially believe they thought they were receiving watchlist chems for making semi-synthetic drugs or something otherwise. But their handler straight up outed them there as they clearly had no interest in the box of "materials" like a drug lab or whatever would but was asking for money in it's place.
That’s wonderful this was three years ago and I’m born and raised in San Francisco and I’m still here today. It’s a city I still love but things have changed. It hasn’t been the same since I was boy everything changed. I’m glad you guys came to visit us in my city!!
Great video. I find it interesting how trilogy media is unintentionally using legitimate interrogation techniques in a legal and voluntary conversation. For example, the use of "good cop bad cop" (which is actually used by law enforcement) and the technique of providing the assurance that if they confess everything will be better and they will be left alone. Art in particular is genuinely doing a great job here, even utilising the plausible justification technique, providing a more favourable reason as to why they are involved by suggesting that this could all just have happened by mistake. These are all actual techniques used by trained law enforcement and trilogy media is executing these interrogation tactics with expert precision with what I assume to be no prior training or research. This just shows the natural talent these guys have for this stuff. Keep it up, protecting our families from scams every day.
@@ALF4MOJO Nahh! He's 24, not a kid, he put himself in that dangerous position. He knows the difference between right and wrong. I felt sorry for him at some point, but then I snapped out of it and thought, nah! stuff that, he knew he was doing 'something' illegal, may not have known that it was so much as a scam, laundering money out of elderly victims, but he knew it was wrong (and possibly knew it could be dangerous at some point in time too.) It'll be sad, but no real sympathy from me if it did put him in danger, might make others think twice about doing it.
@@darkgtptitan and the 99% of repeat offenders disproves your statement. Just because you can pull one example does not discredit years of noticing and documenting a pattern
@@the85thgaming32 True but my point is that not everyone goes back to doing it, and so them taking the time to talk to someone to try and change is not a bad thing to do. One less scammer is one less scammer. So you can talk and talk to someone and just maybe, you change someone or several someones life. That was my point. I never said no one goes back. I said Markissimo didnt go back, and thus did disprove the original comments statement.
Trilogy Media really care about people, individuals, not statistics. If they experienced only one scammer ever, in their intire careers, turned and left the business for good, they're gonna try the same with most if not all of them. Because that means alot to both the scammer and the victims. Why focus on negative statistics when in reality a "small" act of kindness can have such a huge impact! One day a man was walking along the beach when he noticed a boy picking something up and gently throwing it into the ocean. Approaching the boy, he asked, “What are you doing?” The youth replied, “Throwing starfish back into the ocean. The surf is up and the tide is going out. If I don’t throw them back, they’ll die.” “Son,” the man said, “don’t you realize there are miles and miles of beach and hundreds of starfish? You can’t make a difference!” After listening politely, the boy bent down, picked up another starfish, and threw it back into the surf. Then, smiling at the man, he said…..“I made a difference for that one.” - Loren Eisley This is how you change the world! And Trilogy Media is doing an amazing job doing exactly that. They're setting a very good example and using their influence they're encouraging many others to do the same! Strive to be kind, loving and compassionate, always! 💕
If you want to actually involve the police AND have them arrested like they should be, just put some real money or a money order in the box. Even $5-$10 and BOOM, you are the victim and the police have a case to arrest them for mail fraud and money laundering.
This kid was 1000% not telling you the truth, he was trying to protect himself from getting in trouble. I guarantee you he is still at this and just on to the next one.
You’re right!
Yeah your right
Report these people to the IRS for tax evasion. The government doesn't give a shit about its citizens, but if you don't give them your money, justice will be swift.
Your right I agree!!! These guys need to do that!
Yes! He was lying. He was just agreeing with what they were saying.
Homie is also wearing a $400 hoodie. Just sayin.
@@boysenberryjamfan2570 thanks
Well spotted, Rosie. I admire your speptitizm 😸
Don't forget that supreme fanny pack!
I honestly thought from all the holes and tatters in the hoody that he was poor and I almost felt sorry for him. People be crazy paying $400 for something that gross.
May have gotten it from goodwill or a second hand store? It is CA too. It does have a lot of holes in it.
You guys were way too early to jump on his side. I still think he was lying the whole time after watching the video. He knows what he's doing and is in on this 100%
They were way to easy on him. That Chinese guy played them
well they said they were on his side to make him feel more comfortable talking to them. also they really want to bust the guy controlling it all, not just the little guys.
@@melissamuz But they accomplished nothing. Maybe they should have roughed him up. lol
@@billnj3651 if they touch him then they'll be sued
@@firstlast5454 more like in jail
Don't be afraid to let the silence linger after you ask a question. People really hate that silence and will start talking, especially if they know you are waiting for a response. Some police interrogation tactics would be really handy when confronting these losers. I still think you guys did an amazing job!
No, that is to light. Just have him sit down on the ground on his butt, then have Ashton walk over, from the car, wearing a tight-fitting leather tank top and a leather thong, holding a jar of Vaseline.
Yes, as the saying goes in negotiating, he who speaks first loses!
if you dont let the silence sit you can actually give them comfort. they know you're not cracking.. also if you talk too much you, and you're not trained pro, you can totally create a case for entrapnment, coercion, or worse.
@@paulhillar1833 love it!
Dude this kid is not a victim he’s in this 100%. Just like what other scammers do, they have someone called “picker” who gets 10% for receiving the money from victims and send it to scammers. And I bet you this kid won’t quit working with them
JP M 😂
Report these people to the IRS for tax evasion. The government doesn't give a shit about its citizens, but if you don't give them your money, justice will be swift.
I agree bro
Exactly. He's 24, he knows what he's doing, he knows it's a crime. But he also knows it's easy money.
Reedime it really is ez money I’ve been doing this for like a year or so but I do everything thru PayPal an or western union
Geeze! I've been in law enforcement for 26 years and this is not safe guys! I completely commend what you are doing and your efforts. But people are very unpredictable when they feel their freedom is at stake. If you really want to continue doing this, please get someone who has training to accompany you. This video had me on edge, especially when this guy was shaking- that's a "fight or flight" reaction. Be safe, guys, please. This is just my opinion, not legal advice.
I absolutely agree, this isn't like catfish. This is real serious!
This is seriously dangerous stuff guys. I’m actually worried for you. You need backup and support. Unfortunately you need more than balls guys, which you undoubtedly have.
I agree, they aren't professionals and this could get dangerous. They don't have the knowledge of what they're walking up to. There could have been more people there, they could be carrying weapons...a caged animal can be deadly. Plus, they can be putting themselves in legal turmoil. If they don't approach things correctly, the law could be against them too. Trespassing, taking someone's private property...and mail fraud isn't a thing when it wasn't sent through the system. They're teetering the line. I say this with love and concern.
I know y'all fear for your lives when somebody's finger twitches, but anxiety is a normal response to this and doesn't indicate that he's dangerous. It was clear the whole time that this kid was passive and just freaking out.
@@taraesquire1 lol send really illegal things through the mail and make anonymous tip to the cops....then they have to get involved. Not really saying do that to be clear. Just funny thought on how to make the system work for you in this case. But seriously respect yourself is right because all it takes is the first hardcore 2strike person in CA to make it go really bad really fast and it doesn't look like you all are approaching it being aware of that danger and that kid was more aware of that potential danger from his boss than y'all were from is he was freaking out.
i could be wrong but this guy knows way more than the says he knows, Plus he said he would get $300-400 and the guy on the phone said he would transfer $2.000 to his account, doesn't add up and therefore, in my opinion, the police should have been called.
similar to last time, highly doubt anything would've been done because there were no "victims". someone else suggested putting $10 in the box so there's value. i would have to read up on my laws to know if that would do anything
I think these guys have a backup plan if this boy goes to jail......and a backup to a backup ...just like a hindi-chinese- mafia
The cops can't do anything unless someone is actually being scammed.
@@thatmayday It's sad because sooo many old people filed a report and nothing was done
The thing is if the police had been called, the kid is out from university, he is gonna be either in prison, or deported back to china. And his parents would just have too much to take, so i kinda get it they didn’t wanna go that far. I am not stereotyping anything but why is it that the chinese just love flaunting their brands, especially a supreme bag. They really love their rich life, just goes on to show materialism can really be a bitch 😂
I don't understand why they bait us with seeing a scammer exposed, and then as soon as they meet one, they believe everything they say despite complete non-cooperation.
Y’all should’ve just called the cops he clearly wasn’t cooperating and was clearly in on this, he was lying to you and he was staying quiet. He played you.
It was a bluff cops cant do anything
@@jasongeo2321 They can''t do anything about Scamming people out of tens of thousands and laundering money? Really? They can. The questions are, is it worth their time? Is it a "serious" crime? I believe the answers to those questions are "yes" They can indeed do something and send people down for a very long time as long as there's more than enough evidence. But that's past the Police at the point. They just arrest on suspicion of committing a crime.
Listen man he's scared, often these people are involved in all sorts of crime and often know killers.
yea very good bluff, and the "keep ur hands in front" lol instantly triggered him thinking u was law enforcement which is why he kept putting them infront especially the "i'm not gonna ask again" LOLOL but i do suggest u get some security cause he coulda killed ya'll
I've done the fact finding Q&A a lot professionally. I'd like to help with your technique and approach. Back to back questions need to stop, ask an open-ended questions and wait for them to fill the silence. Don't lead them, don't give them answers. You want to know what they know, not show them what you know
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I agree as well. I know these techniques myself as a UX Researcher.
@@1mrlee what a ux researcher? And what has that got to do with this?
@@John-dd8kh User Experience Researcher. I assume asking good questions is a pretty good key to getting good info from users.
This guy is not a victim and he definitely knows more than he is willing to share.
Yep, mr x is probs his uncle let's be honest
He’s going to keep doing this because it’s easy money. It’s very good acting.fooled the guy because they really wanted to believe they could turn his life around. Uber to the new place and keep the packages moving
But he's definitely fresh from the boat. Unlike the 2 PO Box front desks, asking for badge and supremeno. He has the right not to speak and show his iD but he just comply.
@@MM-ui9rm sometimes you just gotta give someone a chance .
You CLEARLY need to read more about mules. We aren’t here to talk about the innocence of this guy, it’s by the operation that is run by.
This two guys just put in danger this guy’s life and most probably he might have been tortured or killed by now.
You guys need to leverage the power of silence. You're hitting all the right buttons to get them to roll, but you're not giving them a chance to fill in that silence with a confession.
Recommendation from prior law enforcement....please dont ever give the bad guy possible answers when you are questioning them...don't give them a single idea or a list of ideas or they might just pick one as an easy option and then they lead you down a bad line of questioning where you are helping them with their own story. Excellent job tracking down these losers though! Im proud of you guys for sticking your necks out and doing this because normal law enforcement and businesses cant do anything usually as you learned first-hand while making these videos. We all need to push for new legislation to prevent these crimes, we need red flag scammer legislation (seriously) to help shut down mailboxes and postal addresses that are part of a scam network and we need to arrest the mules and go after all parties involved in these scam networks, including cooperating with Interpol.
yes!! it was so frustrating to watch their other videos where they got the police involved and they couldn't do anything!
Agreed! I think it’s unfortunate how flawed the law enforcement process is. I imagine that they would save a lot more time, energy, and people if they took a more proactive and preventative approach to crime, rather than solely focusing on being reactive after crimes happen. These guys have literally given them so many really good leads that they won’t even investigate because the crime “hasn’t happened yet.” This is a very counter productive approach to crime solving.
If you were in prior law enforcement, you should be telling these guys to stop what their doing and leave it to professionals, or else they, or someone else is going to get hurt. Their confrontation and questioning is all wrong and they will never get the answers they need. People are saying that the police can't do anything, etc. It's because none of this is done properly and none of the right people are involved.
Evil Deeds Now that's obviously and painfully untrue. I used to have a channel long ago where I called and messed with scammers, and I got a lot of info that I could have used to report them... That is, if I had even thought of that as a possible option. I tried to stop a scam once by calling my local dispatch office and filing a police report, and this is when I was in high school. It should be noted that the police did nothing to fix the scam; they didn't even so much as follow up with me to tell me the case would not be pursued any further because it was declared that much of a waste of time to them. As such, the thought of reporting that info to the FBI never even crossed my mind, and even now as you point it out I scoff at the idea because it's completely unfounded. Do you really think the FBI is going to do anything with a report of scammers stealing people's money from overseas when they can barely handle crimes being committed in their own country? TM aren't scammers for not calling the FBI about this; they've actually got common sense.
@SsSs RoBbSs these guys arent advanced to your point about it being incorrect. My comment was specific to what they are trying to do in this type of scenario...theyre not questioning 5 different people to see if their stories jive; they only have one person to question and shouldnt supply answers...but I do get your point in other scenarios. I agree this video was a waste with how they handled it. I would have driven to the next drop point with this scammer mule that they caught.
He definitely is involved more. Supreme fanny pack, 400 Hoodie, gold necklace
His fit is trash. Cheap gold chain, supreme fanny that isn’t worth much, black air forces and cheap denim. I have undershirts more than this whole outfit combined. Kid isn’t that deep into it.
@Jay Theyme You cannot possibly assess his familial situation or not worth based on a partially obscured video. Wearing a certain sweatshirt does not always directly correlate to having "lots and lots of money". I have a Louis Vuitton bag, and I'm broke as fuck. Furthermore, he is an immigrant in the United States. That's all you know about him. Let's ease up on the prejudice. You dont know anything about this guy or what kind of life he is living, not do you know the reasons that led him to get involved with shady business like this. Desperation can drive the best of people to the most evil of deeds.
@Fic9 he def knows more than he told but he's a stupid kid not a con man. I mean he handed over his ID pretty easily so unless it was a fake, he's no con man. He was a pretend hustler & this might have set him straight but prob not.
@Fic9 That's what I was thinking. And it was the worst interrogation ever.
He talked too much, told him he knew nothing about how the scam operation works and then started to give him possible answers to every question he asked.
The kid had probably picked up the car later on and had a good laugh.
And if they really did exchange phone numbers there is a chance he's gonna call and lure them into a trap!
@@nicoleweiler1105 immigrant my ass, you must not be from SF. He is probably third or fourth generation US born.
I love it how they're interrogating him, and immediately giving him ideas for answers that would be ok.
That part of an interrogation. They make it seem like they understand where your coming from so it's easier for the person to answer. I'm not saying they are good at interrogating but they get some of it right.
@@AZ-jd5cr Well yes, it would be a technique to produce a confession or at least more information - if it were done correctly. In this case it did nothing other than to help the criminal think of excuses for his behavior. Just taught him to lie better & be prepared for the next time he's caught by someone with actual authority or who will contact police to get an investigation started.
You are a good man, Vlad. Kind and understanding. I really hope that young lad can get back on track and complete his studies. 🤞
That guy is involved 100%. That “Mr. X” is probably his brother or his cousin and was probably inside the house.
That is what I was thinking too. He could not give details about how much, because he was going to get it all.
Obviously he didn’t stop the business, the kid just finessed the shit out of them. He lied about everything “3-4 hundred” yet the dude said he deposited 2k to his account. It’s all fake. Trilogy is good at catching scams, but not so good at reading it in plain sight
Agree. Wish when they got the second guy on the phone that they didn't state that it was over. If they would've got the kid to state that he had the package and set up a meet, maybe they could've gotten farther in the investigation.
We could’ve gotten a great video or videos out of that.
@@yredcat5772 you are probably right. Otherwise these guys would get killed. That’s serious money and serious business.
I think he was afraid to talk because he's afraid they're going to go after him for exposing their operations. At the same time his conversation with the guy on the phone made it clear that he
knows that what he's doing is illegal. Honestly don't know what to believe but his reactions after you talked with him seemed to be genuine where he's actually scared they will 'go after him'.
I agree with you and other countries can be pretty ruthless
He’s lieing his ass off. He says there’s materials in there. But dude instantly was telling him to transfer the cash to accounts.
They know where he lives, but they probably won’t kill him because there never was any cash to begin with. What DOES worry me is that the crooks could trace Art’s cell phone number to his address. Frankly, I’m most concerned for Art and Ashton.
@@JPMJPM Ashton and Art don't really need to be concerned, in my opinion.. If they were to do anything to them (something I've barely ever heard of in years of scammer research), it would be shocking. They're public figures. It would make more sense for the crooks to stay out of the spotlight, totally change up their game-plan/methods, and come back with a totally new scam. Coming after Trilogy Media would just expose them even more, and as of right now, all Trilogy Media knows about the scammer on the phone is his name (if that isn't fake) and nothing else. It just doesn't make sense to try to come after people who are openly working to expose them.
No he acted relieved he was getting away with it. He is no little domino.
He is definitely involved deeply in this scam. He knew everything he was doing. Please report him.
Jakin Lee It’s also why I think these people should serve life in prison because they’re ruining peoples lives and if they’re not gonna be of any use to society then why should we keep them In society Let’s go ahead and ruin their lives and return and throw them in jail and let them rot like a worthless things that they are For the rest of the worthless and miserable useless lives This sounds harsh but I mean every word of it and it more
@ you saw his face with ethnicity with the blur also! correct? Lol
Jakin Lee I’m not talking about the college kid I’m talking about the person who is the head leader of it
22:20 interrogation tip:
• ask open ended question
Biggest tip:
• when you ask a question; wait for an answer. If he is quiet and you ask a question. Wait for an answer. Quit yapping.
You constantly keep asking questions and if he don’t answer the question you kept either; yapping off and kept playing with his ego or you ask a different question or you ask the same question in a different form.
Ask an open ended question and wait for an answer. If he quiet; bask in the silence and wait for an answer.
There was a point where you asked who Mr X is and your partner kept telling him to put his hands in front and he got nervous and went quiet and then you went and asked a different question. Just ask one question and wait.
I can see why you would never make it as an interrogator
@@nutt2252 i do agree with this guy, you cant just keep talking without letting the suspect talk. i dont think YOU would make it as an interrogator.
@@nutt2252 When someone asks a question and then waits for an answer, and there's nothing but silence, already uncomfortable people will be made more so because most people hate the silence and will want to fill it. People who aren't trained to resist that temptation to fill the silence will maybe begin with non answers, non sequitur's, but eventually they'll get tired of hearing the same question and then silence, so they'll wind up telling the truth anyway. Op is right, it just takes longer. The questioner just has to have more patience than the one they're questioning.
@@thedrbat9572 you would be much in the wrong.
@@nutt2252 Nah he said some truth.
THe point of interrogation is to make them talk a lot and screen the incoming info, then used it for mo specific question and look for errors.
The silence thing does work wonders. They might not answer your question, but they WILL TALK. Whether it's the answer for your question, one you were gonna ask later or just a lie doesn't really matter. They are digging themselves deeper and you're not the one doing the talking. There's no chance at getting information if the one asking is the one doing the talking.
You guys are way too nice. This kid was lying. He really told you nothing.
100% agree with you. Action should have been taken in whatever way possible to get him and his scammin mom out of their rich lifestyle
@@OneLoveForLife There's a good chance this kid is in a shallow grave right now. Or maybe I've been watching too much Burn Notice.
He keeps saying he doesn't really know mr.x over and over. He is or knows mr.x
He probably got the sh*t beat out of him
Should have called the cops
Thanks, You know everything. I bow to thee.
33:22 I believe what he said is "我被人弄了,这有人 ", which means I got found out by someone, there is someone here. But due to his mumbling of words, I can't quite understand clearly for the first time.
36:07 He said “有人啊，老哥”, which means there is someone, brother(a Chinese slang like a bro in English, not a necessary blood relative). I heard this quite clearly and I am almost certain that's exactly what he said to Mr. X as he told u guys he is from China.
If this information doesn't seem convincing, please copy these Chinese words to google translate.
Please like this to get more attention.
Yes, I heard the same. And there were bits where he seemed helpless but confused about what to do. It seems as if he was trying to play along but didn't know how things worked properly. Maybe he is just a newbie scammer who just takes orders.
Well they did translate the first one
That's Awesome U helping them!!! U should join them..!!!
424ye xian when the lady spoke you can clearly hear theyre chineese
Mr. X also said something about transferring 2k to him I believe it's his earnings for doing this
Put $1 in the packages next time so you can tell the cops you were scammed and were trying to follow up, then you are a victim
OMG yes! I made the same comment on a different video of theirs. I mean if you shoplift something worth $1 you get arrested. I think it would make a huge difference with the cops. They really should listen to us! Lol!
Actually, chances are that cops won't bother arresting you for shoplifting something worth $1. But in this particular case, I still agree that it would probably make a difference because the cops would gladly use the $1 as an excuse to arrest someone that they know has stolen thousands.
Smort
I feel like a dingus for not thinking of that first.
Put in a single pill of a prescription drug. Some guy stole a car and crashed it in my front yard. The police caught him because the 4x4 from my fence got jammed between his wheel and the wheel well on his front wheel drive car so he decided to walk down the sidewalk like nothing happened. The car he stole belonged to a pharmaceutical representative with samples in the trunk. Grand theft auto, reckless endangerment, felony possession.
I've watched Scammer Payback for a long time, and this is my first time watching your video. I am amazed at how calm and understanding you guys are! Youre not trying to cause a fight, youre not using your "power" to intimidate people, you just want to get to the bottom of it. I admire your way of dealing with this situation. I agree that this couldve gone really bad, but I am also a firm believer (after watching scammer payback) that you KNOW that these people are not directly involved, and usually is scammed into this as well. Please stay safe!
They were definitely intimidating him and they definitely shouldn’t force people to take their masks off during a pandemic. Period.
This "middleman" is guilty and aware. He knows what he is doing. I don't feel sorry for him at all.
ladygrim412 same I wanna smack him
Agreed, his dishonesty should have immediately made them call the cops on him
This is terrible
@@dannyd1098 yet the cops cant do anything, everything about these videos are entrapment and no usable in court.
This guy's body language just looks like he's waiting for it to pass, tell them what they want to hear so that he can get back to getting his dirty money. 🤦♀️
The employee is involved. The kid also knew a lot more than he told you, and he is still doing it all today, guaranteed.
Totally agree. Him talking in a different language to his "boss" is very telling. He doesn't feel bad. I would actually say he probably enjoys scamming Americans.
I think he’ll keep going people who scam have no soul they should have got him arrested
nah, he's probably dead by now, he's just a disposable tool for them, has no value, became a liability, now he's dead
that's why they recruit kids, easy to manipulate, easy to throw under the bus and let them go to jail or kill them when they're no longer needed
they probably don't even know enough info to give anything to the police if caught
@@ladygrim412 he said his boss doesnt speak english
get your xenophobic ideas elsewhere
@@MacetazzOpina stupic comment. why do SJWs throw these phobic and isms around. Nothing in that comment said she hated, disliked asians. She did not say Chinese like to scam people, she is talking about scammers.. Your comment could be taken the same way.
Why not go to Kitboga and tell him he is a xeniphobe for saying stuff about the indian scammers.
It’s frustrating to watch that nothing is done to these criminals.
“You’ve gotta be a stupid idiot for driving 6 or 7 hours for $100”
*Uber drivers be like:* Really?
Alex Xander He’s a liar!
@Drewe Carlson No, we don't. The most I've ever made was around $30/hr. It's a lot better than the $23/hr I was making at my last job that I got laid off from 6 yrs ago. But no, anyone that tells you Uber drivers make more than $100/hr is a liar.
@Drewe Carlson Wherever you live must have insane surge pricing. I've ridden in ubers for 30min and paid about $30-something on average. Double that for an hour and it is still under $100. Then you know Uber is gonna take their cut.
@@MagickFireWolf the most i've made is 60 an hour.But i average 35 an hour.
The difference is that driving an Uber is a legit gig. The more shady and risky a job is, the more money you'd want for it.
dialogue was a million times better in this one. glad you took our constructive criticism guys!! much love
I agree!! The other video where the cops were called, the two of them were talking over each other constantly and nothing was accomplished. I really like Vlad, but sometimes he has a hard time getting his point across. I also made a comment on that video about their dialogue because of that.
Oh wowwww
They did a great job and Vlad was awesome.
This boy is definitely only in the job for 1 week. He could have asked for a badge, supreno (like the 2 experienced PO BOX front desk) and don't have to say anything. He don't even have to show them his ID ...
I do not agree with this. if you think this is a good interrogation strategy then you are wrong!
You need to get the police involved, specially when he says the chinese mafia is involved .
I know this is old, but I love that you are protecting this young kid. Some times you have to lose the battle to win the war and that’s what you guys did. You are all such amazing examples of strength and dedication. Thank you for all you do! 🙏
Boy this is like a Vigilante movie, except it is not a movie. Yo, this is intense.
Thanks!😀💪
This would have been just as intense without the intense backround score music. lol.
@@ArtKulik Nice job!
Great job guys and and as it is clear this young man is most likely here on some sort of my government visa and as far as we are concerned he is now subject for deportation thank you for the info blessings
Yes it is. I just told my wife the same. The intensity is incredible
The kid being interviewed seemed to call his boss “兄弟“ which literally translated is “brother “ but culturally would suggest he knows him better than he pretended.
Not necessarily, I am chinese and calling someone 兄弟 in this scenario most of the time just means you are in on something together. Its a way to create trust between each other and a sense of security. It's like you calling other people "what's up bro?".. you would feel like you're closer or cared than you actually are.
Probably Triads.
That’s why the kid was so scared to talk.
That's right!!!
send him back to ccp
@@SirPraiseSun Saying something like this is pretty much a racist type comment where you are just wanting anyone with different nationality go back to their country. China is not even safe and yet you say this type of stuff is worse than someone telling you "Why don't you go to Afganastan or North Korea?" since you seem so experienced in bullying others including spreading hate around. That is not right. Before you even say something on here that shows your racist self and telling people to go back to their country, why don't you actually think before you talk and maybe you would understand that anyone in the US is also a legal citzen who is actually staying in this country too for not only schooling but also trying to have a better life. I heard these types of "send them back to their country" and the "You don't belong here. Go back to where you came from" phrase so many times and for you having the audacity to say that to someone whether they are Chinese or not, that is very appalling, shameful, and disappointing.
He is lying to you. Why tell him he is a good guy. He knows everything that is going on and will continue to do it. Get police involved every time.
Im saying brooo, they wanna get rid of them, You cant when your friendly and let them gooo!!!!!! Wtf
He saying that to make him feel comfortable in order to cooperate with them
The police haven’t done anything for them previously though
Put him at ease so he won't be too stressed out and it'll be easier for him to spill. But in this case, I would've already involved 12.
The cops never do anything because there is no victim at the time
Linked onto this from a Scammer Payback video. Thank you guys for what you do!
When he had his boss on the phone, you should have told him to say he had the box and was on the way to drop it off. You could have put a tracker on his car and follow him and found out who he was working for. By playing your card, you lost the chance the follow the money to see where it actually ended up. You caught the mule, but you messed up the chance to bust the big boss and put him in prison for life.
I think it's just a drama coz it ends to nothing
the scammer would have known. are you kidding me? this is a big fucking organization/mafia. they'll sense something is wrong immediately. a very dangerous situation was avoided by not doing what you said.
So this video was litterally pointless they did nothing for nobody i feel like i got scammed waitin for these dudes to handle that lil idiot he calls him smart just for going to school lmao
They’re a UA-cam channel not the ATF lol
@@jaggy-snake That's the problem bro. They're fucking with organized crime for views instead of using the very good lead they generated to work with organizations built to take them down.
I feel like your intentions are good, it’s the execution that kinda goes down the drain.
If there was a better plan of attack, better personalities/actors that did the confronting or an actual detective that knows how to interrogate without bullying, along with a goal in mind (including back up plans) this would go over so much smoother.
What’s the point of contacting the drop off person if you don’t have authorities there to back you up? These could potentially be really dangerous people. Be safe.
Ya know, let it play out, fill the box with counterfeit money (monopoly money would be hilarious) bug the box with a mic, listen in on what they’re saying. Follow the dude to drop off points, stuff like that, instead of straight up catching one guy, he’s not gonna tell you the truth, guaranteed. They need to feel safe, not attacked.
Same with all the other encounters on previous videos, get more people involved that have better communication skills. You guys can totally film it, but let other people do the talking and convincing.
For example, the store owners from the previous video both felt attacked and they immediately saw you as the threat, there’s no coming back from that. Maybe a hidden lav mic to capture audio and camera outside the place through the window or something just for the initial encounter with the store owners to build a strong relationship before cramming criminals in their faces.
You need to have a calm, professional appearance and identity tell them exactly who you are with a company name tag/ID card. Also, sorry, but a Russian accent is very intimidating to Americans. You guys can be doing so much more good if you had a better strategy.
I’m also a professional filmmaker and story consultant. I’d love to collab!
Yes! They should collab with Mark Rober who did something like that. Here’s his video catching thieves with wired packages ua-cam.com/video/a_TSR_v07m0/v-deo.html . It’s hilarious 😆
I TOTALLY AGREE with you. He was super intimidating to the business owners. If I were the business owners, I would have thought that these guys were trying to pull a scam on ME! They went about it all wrong and way too strong.
idk what ur talking about this is perfect
Ryan Watkins when you comment a book most people don’t read it
Law enforcement will not do anything about it, the ones they lick the boots of are the ones behind it. commonsenseevaluation.com/2016/11/26/the-clinton-ties-to-the-nigerian-prince-scam/
It's so frustrating to watch every words this kid say is a lie.
I LOVE you guys! It's impressive how you handled this young man. My heart goes out to him. God bless you Trilogy Media 🙏
He is lying and he never leaves the mafia. He acts like that to be able to flee from you.
When the call came in and he's speaking Chinese, I felt so embarrassed. Can't believe that they are doing this and when he picked up the phone, he immediately warned the caller, saying "there's someone here, they got me""there's someone here bro". He was calm and I don't believe that he's quitting. From the conversation, I don't believe that he's manipulated cause they know each other. Moreover, people are losing job in this pandemic, not saying it's if they do this earlier, it just makes it worse.
That's what I thought. I'm not convinced the kid isn't WAY more involved than he claimed. Why would he tell the other guy he got caught unless he was trying to protect him?
Wowwwww
Xinyu Yang
Xinyu, I understand how you would feel that way, but don’t. I would prob feel the same way too if it was someone the same ethnicity as me. But you or I didn’t do what all those evil ppl doing. Thank you for translating. Man, this has blown my mind wide open. I can’t believe they do this. They think all Americans are rich but nope.
First look even it's blurred I'm suspecting he's chinese and I feel so angry and ashamed of my own race
do you know how many cruise scams, data job scams, lottery scams there are? They are bad people doing bad things, they can be anybody speaking any language. individuals are to be judged, not your ethnicity, so don't make this a Chinese thing because they speak Chinese or look Chinese. We got enough profiling and segregation going on, we don't need more pointing fingers instead judge them by their actions.
The fact they was renting him a car shows you how deep he was in the scam. He knew what was going on ...
over here they rent a hotel and drive rental cars cause the laws are your possessions are confiscated for drug crimes . The law enforcers should create bogus car hire companies ...
Vlad I must tell you this. I am hooked on watching you guys and the great cause you are fighting for. However I had never seen a video from you guys like this. Vlad you were so caring, education and such awesome talking to this kid. He will never forget that talk. You talked to him like a father.
Awesome job!!!
Super proud of you!!
lol
Great video guys ! you can be very proud :)
1. advise Turn down the scary music a little bit, its louder than you're voices - like the touch, but its to loud .
2. advise Let them scam you for a few bucks so the police have a victim and can make a case.
3. advise let each other finish a sentence whene you talk with people, they are getting spooked when you to big guys speak over each other whene you try to explain whats going on.
im new here but im here to stay :)
bad english i know hope you get the points
best
Luuxen
Yup. All you have to do is put a real money order, even $5, and boom...you are the victim and it’s an arrest-able charge.
This was awesome but I really, REALLY think you should get someone on your team with field experience in this kind of thing.
Yes an ex bounty hunter, I had a friend who owned a bail bond company, I went on a few hunts with him, it was a great experience, a lot of adrenaline when you guard a back door or check a spot or hide out. Anyways, a bounty hunter would be perfect for this.
@Evil Deeds You are correct.but the Cyber-Division of the FBI will take it as an interest since the pandemic made the Internet very active for crime and other uses so the scammers can slip through.Also UA-camrs can clickbait and scam on their merch store.
@Evil Deeds k.😐🤦♂️
@Evil Deeds how do you know none of that has been done. Cause they don't say it or cause they don't show it??
CarazyMayBe I totally agree I actually felt scared for them too!
Why are you protecting his identity when he is the problem? Dude is wearing a $350 hoodie....
He is full of it and will go right back to what he is doing...
Out the bastard!
Name is "Hans"
Dont understand why they bleeped it out.
Proooooobably not his real name😅
Legal issue for them if they show his identity unfortunately
@@Mr.FriendlyYT Its not his real name remember they asked for his I'd. He wasn't Hans
@@lauriewalsh420 yeah thats why i said i dont understand why they bleeped out the (fake) name 😊👍
This could have been handled better. I hope that kid ended up okay. It's apparent this is a bigger organization managing this. Your efforts in ending these scams should be applauded but there's also a need to protect people, like this kid, from being made example of by the people using him. His desperation to get involved in criminal activity just to go to school is very sad indeed.
he knows they will not kill him. He was trying to portray himself in a much more bad situation than he was actually.
Yeah he was likely playing the innocent like every single mule does. Always the victim, never their fault
@@PramodShettythat's not 100% all the time tho. Not defending him he could be lying but some could get killed for saying anything. Just them getting in this from being young and dumb.
@btsxskz7866 these scammers won't kill anyone. They don't have anyone in the US, that's why they use mules. When a mule is burned they just delete their number and move on to the next.
he's old enough to know better, and he probably should've thought about the potential consequences before he decided to ruin people's lives.
a delivery man saying he can wait... that is suspicious... lol
You should send them a envelope filled with glitter. The herpes of crafting. They will find it randomly on them forever.
😂 didn't they do that on a Trailer park boys episode?
Watch Mark Robers video on making a glitter bomb for porch bandits
@@furedi8067 oh I definitely have....more than once. Also his squirrel video
cssruth I like the concept, but it’s not a good idea to needlessly put micro plastics into the environment for a bit of petty revenge. In order to go green, maybe replace it with dog poop or something instead.
@@meghan9436 you are right, Meghan.. dog poop would be more environmentally friendly and could work just as well!!!!! 👍
I can confirm these scammers contact college kids. While I attended college I got an email from someone claiming to be a professor at the university and needed an assistant to pick up mail for them as a part time job while they were away on a study abroad with other students. They said I’d be paid $100 an hour and as a poor college kid that’s an opportunity you can’t pass up. Later the university sent out an email to all the students saying to ignore this persons email because they are a scammer so yes these people go after college students.
Poor kids.
But college kids are so smart... not!
yes I got the same thing. Almost signed up for it too but it looked to easy to be true and I looked it up only to find the same email across the web
100 an hour shit I'll do that right now as a post undergrad
@@iselldfw Probably less to do with intelligence than desperation because school costs more than a lot of people make in a lifetime
I know what this guy did was wrong, but I'm actually worried about his safety. The type of people he was employed by do not stuff around. This vid was 2 years ago... I hope he is OK and still at school or graduated.
I feel ya but he made this choice. He s not a little child.
@@kerielmore823 Pretty much. He only has himself to blame
Why didnt they just talk him into finishing up the deal and follow him to the drop point then bust the "boss"?
That's pretty dangerous. I'd say "The Boss" really is locked and loaded.
@@WhitneyBrock88 i mean, they coulda called the police and had them meet them in secret to the location so the police could handle the "busting"
That's what I said!!!
They need to file a case or to help victim to file a case. Basically they need to coop with youtuber that covers legal stuff to make police do something.
I was wondering the exact thing
Good shit, the production of this is on the level of a network tv show like To Catch a Predator. Also noticed Art has gotten much better at the interrogation this time. He came in a little (understandably) hot in the last one with the PO boxes, but this time was perfect. You have to find the right balance between aggressive and calm. If you can get them to think divulging information to you is preferable to anyone else (hard to explain but kind of like you are the only one who has a chance of being on their side in the end) while at the same time making them believe that if you don't get the information or are lied to they will be in a world of shit, you will get much more information.
@@yredcat5772 Okay?
Great work again guys!
Art...your approach on this was so much better. You were so calm instead of being loud and confrontational. Well done for making that change in your interpersonal skills.
"put your hands in front, i am not going to ask you again" I am curious, what would you have done?
Aside from that, great job guys!
exactly my thoughts. like how they pretend they have the right to make someone cooperate like that. scammer or not, kid should have told them to F off
I cant believe all the work you're putting into this. I have a hard time believing you guys have less than a million subs. Keep making these and I dont doubt for a second you'll get there. Especially since y'all have raised the elderly lady almost every dime of the money she lost in the first episode. You guys deserve it and good luck.
This drives me nuts. Like wtf. How are you gonna confront someone but approach them like a they are a little child. What happens if you go and try this type of stuff with someone who really doesn't care and turns around and shoots one of you? Its stupid either take some lessons on how to deal with criminals properly or stop getting involved.
kinda my thought... they are going to run up on a real criminal one of these times...
I agree 100%.
Agreed.
Love the concept but that lack of training can get you hurt.
The Russian dude is cool. It's the other guy...even the beginning of this video Im like "Man, this guy is obnoxious"....like nobody ever listened to him, but now they will because he has a Youtbue channel. He seems to have some type of superiority complex. I would 1) never play vigilante and 2) never roll up to someone's home and tell them what to do with their body language. "Hands in front"...they're lucky the assailant is basically a meek kid and not some bad MFer.
You guys blew it on this one. I’ve just come accross your channel and the only 2 videos that I’ve watched from you guys, you’ve approached it horribly and blew the whole operation. You need to let the scammer think that everything is normal and be patient and instead of talking just listen and observe. You’d learn a lot more if you guys don’t open your mouth the first chance you get. Just being honest. This kid was in on it too. You guys are trying to do something good, but are just really bad at it.
Funny how he does this but cops dont do this he need a cop with him
@@spetsnazrussia2446 cops shouldnt do this because it is illegal. Intimidating him for ID was a violation of his 4th amendment rights, making him take off the mask also violates the 4th amendment held up by Terry v ohio, asking him questions while he is intimidated without a lawyer is a violation of his 5th amendment rights. asking him to sign and then threatening mail fraud is entrapment. If a cop did what these guys did then that cop belongs in jail.
@@merlin4real They don't have any kind of law enforcement authority, entrapment doesn't apply, that's ridiculous. The 5th? Also ridiculous, again they have no authority and he is not under oath, he doesn't have to say shit to them and he can legally lie his ass off if he wants. They also have no authority to ask for ID, that wasn't a good idea...but it's also not a violation of anyone's rights to ask for it. Also no one can "make" you take off your mask, they asked and he complied...not illegal but again not cool. The hands thing was for their safety, they wanted to see his hands in case he had a weapon tucked away. I would have done the same thing.
I'm noticing a trend here. You seem to be under the impression that because he was intimidated that he was being forced to do these things. That's not force. There was no force involved here, he could have easily refused to do all of these things. It's up to every individual to know their rights and know when to refuse requests, saying "oh but your honor they asked me to and I was scared so I did it!" wouldn't exactly hold up in court.
@@rovers141 the first four words of my comment were "cops shouldnt do this".
@@rovers141 fooling someone into giving up their rights that doesnt understand them is no better that fooling a person who doesnt understand computers to give you money. I'll simplify this for you. Just because he did bad does not make it ok to do bad to him.
New sub and LIKED from Scammer Payback. Awesome. You really need to have an intervention contingency for mules to feel safe and be able to go on with their lives. I would have suggested the mule lose his cellphone as the scammer's probably have him traced. They will harass him until he is either incarcerated or dead. You really put his life in further danger the way you left it.
I appreciate what you guys are doing, but you have to be VERY careful doing things like this. You have no idea who might be at those homes when you get there and if they're armed.
Yes indeed, and since they are on his property, he is within his rights to forcefully remove them.
In addition, the kid is being held against his will, which is kidnapping.
They are also using threatening language.
@@kennyfordham6208 The entire time i'm thinking...why didn't he just go in the house and close the door. Let them call the police. They're falsely posing as UPS delivery people and delivering a fake package. Now we have trespassing and verbal threats on top of that. The police are not going to listen to their side because of the laws THEY are breaking.This whole scammer thing is a very tough thing to deal with. I get calls all the time, most recent were 3 days straight of "iCloud Account Hacked" calls. A few of them I strung along then we had bad words back and forth. Now I just block the number in my phone. I appreciate everything you guys are doing with taking down scammers, but you're crossing the line into dangerous territory. BE SAFE!
Yeah trilogy media is walking on thin ice with this form of confrontations.
There's no way Investigators can accept it when he's being coerced like that
@@kennyfordham6208 Yeah, TM team is playing a dangerous game doing this. They are not PI's and confronting scammers at their home who are connected to very rich people and this is taking from their operation, is no game.
@@SDA0271 what threats?
Be careful guys these situations could be come violent very quickly, if you confront the wrong guy and he feels like he has nothing to lose you could be very seriously injured or killed.
or the scammer can get injured/killed.
idk, but my money is on a 2m tall russian dude, not 120lbs asians or indians.
They went to India on another more recent "investigation" and were ordered to be shot by the guys running the scam.
He's way more involved, deceptive throughout, even though I could not see his face, his vocal ranges changed frequently, each time a lie was confronted head on. He is an essential part of that gang, fully aware of the risks and enjoys the spoils of his rewards, from this (self-admitted multiple) malicious criminal activity. A smart kids playing dumb, fooled you into thinking he's innocent YOU LET HIM WALK AWAY, AFTER ADMITTING AT LEAST TEN SIMILAR DROPS. WTF GUYS! You've been watching too much CSI, Vlad, sorry mate, but you're not a very observant investigator/interviewer. He wouldn't need to be bailed out, because I'd bet half his 'gang' are already behind bars, probably sharing COVID-19 rich communal cells/bunks & washing facilities.
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Dude you speculating way too much lol
@@qbikmusik sorry, but he's right. The hoodie, the phone call (the phone itself wasn't cheap either, I suppose), the 2k share... And also the 10 packages. This guy just wants to enjoy luxury, no matter, where it comes from. They really should've called the police there.
@@freddykabuffke461 And said what? And shown what proof that this individual did each of those drops that isn't circumstantial evidence that a prosecutor of some level would want to spend time/money to go after this person?
Yeah you're right @zurkster. That guy was acting he is innocent and he don't Know anything. How they let him go? Now he will make alert all his scam network.
I just came across y'all's content today. I just want to say thank you to all of y'all ❤️
“Don’t be stressed... we on your side...” “We can call police and it’s gonna be 5 minutes.” Lol
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@Hatori Ibuki I don't know about that. Have you seen how aggressive the police are in America? Even if he is innocent he still has good reason to fear the cops.
I would be 10 times more afraid of a stacked 6ft+ Russian than cops at that point
He was straight up lying 😂🤣🤣
Guaranteed as soon as they drove off he was back out there collecting the next package..🤣🤣🤣
He probably waited at most 12 hours before his next pick up after he left. And this time we became more conscious of his surroundings thanks to this incident.
This incident just made him a better criminal lol
I knew he was lying once he called Mr. X Bro
he absolutely knew what he was doing
Yeah he did to some degree, he was terrified and afraid to talk after being caught because he knows the legal trouble he was facing. Let's hope that letting him off still put enough fear in him to stop the deliveries. At least if the police had gotten involved it would have sent the scammers running. They probably wouldn't use the kid again. I hope they didn't call him back later to either threaten him or sweeten the deal.
The tears and sorrow are FAKE. He knows he is making easy money. He is full of crap....."Oh, I dont want to get killed but I will participate in this kind of business with these types of people" He knows EXACTLY what he is doing. I cant believe anyone would buy the sorrow and fake tears BS. If they kill him, it wont be a loss. Just one less scumbag scammer. I see no downside.
you guys should partner with the UA-camr "Mark Rober". They made a package where once it's opened, cameras show the face of the package thief and shoot glitter everywhere. In your case, you would be able to see the face of the scammer who opens the box. That way you can have proof without actually having to go out and try to wait for them. Your videos are awesome, and seeing something like that would be really cool. I hope you guys consider this idea!
I was literally about to say this same thing
Except it’s literally just cash that’s being sent, so it may be hard to do when you can just send it in an envelope.
@@heartsofgoldenrod it's not cash, it's ripped up paper and magazines, like he explained in the beginning of the video. Also, the boxes are also the scammers idea.
cookie monster13 you don’t have to use a BOX to send cash 💵. The scammer could say he wants the money inside an ✉️ not a 📦 big enough for a camera 🤔
@@MrFlacco scammer are the ones suggesting boxes, bc its illegal to send cash over 10k out of the country.
If you got overwhelmed by Art’s talking, this kid ain’t a child no more, he is 24 years old so he’s an adult
I really hope there will an update on how he's doing eventually bc even though I dont believe everything he said I do believe the fear was genuine. I really appreciate the way art was speaking to him instead of speaking at him. If he's smart he'll take their advice to get as far away from this shit as fast as he can!
Of course the fear was genuine. He got caught in the act. He got away too easily.
This is so unbelievable. I know the elderly person is being disillusioned. Keep up the good work. Get rid of the the scammers
HE PLAYED YOU GUYS. HE DID THIS SHI MORE THAN 10 TIMES AND YA'LL JUST LET HIM WALK FREE. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS WHOLE THING IF THE SCAMMERS ARE NOT GETTING PUNISH. YOU GUYS CATCH THEM WITH CLEAR EVIDENCE AND LET THEM GO. FRUSTRATING.
Agree should take them to the police
Yep that guy is somewhere doing the same shit again
There was no actual crime bc there was no actual victim.
@@b.b.3260 You lowkey right lmao but having a fake driver license îs a crime
the point is UA-cam monetization. Hello! wake up
We appreciate you guys doing this but you need to work on your execution, you need an expert to do the act. This is for your own safety as well. Be safe guys.
This is all bologna. No real person who does this, would film,while doxxing themselves, faces, location, and what they do. As an open source researcher I could easily find all these people. Hahaha it's all so staged
33:16 he says he is sending a bank account, to put 2000 into, how can he not know theres money in it?
Yep caught that too!
I'm an Iraq war veteran. One of the most disappointing things I've witnessed in my life is how many military officers saw the false information that was being fed to the public in the lead up to the invasion and said nothing within their chain of command. In private most had legitimate concerns and questions, but they never spoke out. They put their careers before everything else. They made excuses like "it's not my job to question." They didn't consider the definition of the word duty and what that really means. Look where it led our country.
Watching your videos and seeing the police, business owners and even workers deflect accountability brings those memories flooding back. It's fine to delegate responsibility for a problem to someone else, but we can never delegate accountability for what happens in our neighborhoods.
I just wanted to write and express my extreme gratitude for what you're doing, as a citizen of the United States. Please do not listen to the people who say "you need more training." You're doing what these people don't have the talent, motivation or (most important) the morals to accomplish themselves. You clearly understand the fundamentals of investigative reporting and it's obvious you're gaining more situational awareness every time you act on new information and tips. Training more often than not is a crutch that prevents people from gaining invaluable experience. Our country is great because throughout history there have been people like you who set aside concerns for their immediate safety to consider how they might make the world a better place.
We need these criminals exposed, caught and put in jail. But perhaps even more than that we need people like you to speak with a moral voice and confront these individuals to tell them what they are doing is wrong. Not just against the law, but fundamentally amoral and sickening.
Look at where it led the US is one thing. Look at where it led Iraq.
Looking forward to this!
Hi Rosie! Love you 😍
Irlrosie. You rule😁
Thank hon!:)
You should of been the lady trap lol seriously please let them know so we can really see them be less intimidated, making the confrontation even easier.
This kid is totally lying. Some may not know, but the clothes he is wearing are designer (They're pretty expensive) and I believe that Airbnb was his also so it just goes to show he ain't just doing this for $100.
sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone is dirt poor and homeless or wearing "designer" clothes. :'D Cali's clothing styles are retarded. Although I have to say that even I know that ridiculous Supreme brand and how expensive all their shit is, I'm surprised these guys didn't pick up on that.
@@SpydersByte his hoodie is $200-$400
Those jeans are not designer. I have got a pair like that and they are just old!!
the dude is from shanghai. It's all probably counterfeit "designer" clothes he's wearing
Richard Dukard I still believe what he has on is legit and plus I’m pretty sure that Airbnb is his too so he has to be making good money because those aren’t cheap, especially in that area
*"If I have anything happen can I call you guys?"*
The fear in this guy is truly sad.
I think he was a money mule for a Triad gang.
He even said he thinks they’re “mafia.”
Those Chinese gangs don’t mess about.
No he was legitimately scared, like he likely was already threatened, and chances are he knew more than he was willing to say strictly out of fear. But I'd say involve the cops each and every time(joke intended) Because numerous times we want to see the best in people and they sometimes can see that and play off of it.
Or he has their number so he can set them up.
Sure, but in reality what can these guys do to protect him? I was waiting to hear some kinda out from them but nope. A shame.
he played pretend as scared to gain trust and be left alone. proof of that is he said towards the end "first of all he didn't tell me there was cash if he did i wouldn't have accepted" except few minutes prior in the call the "boss" casually told him that he's gonna give him a bank account where he should've deposited 2000. He also called him brother over the phone. You don't just become a "courier" just like that cause people like your face and you are young and susceptible, it's a whole relatives operation. Kid is employing acting scared tactics to be left alone.
Saw the episode from 'Scammer Payback' today, love him, and he said to check you guys out, so I am and will automatically subscribe to your channel, because what you all are doing, every channel like 'Scammer Payback' and yours and many others, is a admirable thing and so much respect to you all!
You guy's are doing what law enforcement should be doing, I understand they may be restricted or don't have jurisdiction etc, so it helps when smart, capable people take over and help and/or get some Payback to this criminals who clearly have no empathy or heart on the lives they are destroying when they scam people out of their hard earned money.
Thank you all so much xoxo
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You guys are doing such a great job by exposing those sinister scammers out there who robbed hundreds and millions of peoples blood and sweat earned money. Those crooks must jailed for life for their unthinkable crimes.
"This is your lucky day we made you call ur mafia boss now you're probably dead.... you're welcome"
These guys are so dense. Did they really think the kid would give up the guy's name? Especially when he's being recorded. They need to rethink their approach.
That is all I kept thinking about. I truly feel that kid was scared shitless not by them but by his employer potentially finding out what transpired.
As the saying goes play stupid games win stupid prizes.
That’s exactly what I was thinking...his boss could be Triads or some other organized crime group. Bc this kid said anything at all...and called his boss could have easily given him a one way ticket to the bottom of the Bay.
I love what these two are trying to do, but their confrontation videos are very unprofessional and could easily get themselves killed one of these days.
I’m glad people are giving you solid, constructive advice. You have my sincere admiration for the important work you are doing. Please stay safe, all of you. ❤️
man you broke him (in a good way) with that line about "where are you from; I'm from russia." because it's not the usual "you're an immigrant" - it's, "we could be similar" - you reminded him of home, family - and with that, his conscience.
We need more guys like you in society, Vlad!
bro he is Chinese and he speaking Chinese to his friend on phone .the guy not victim. he paid by scammer 2000 usd
Everybody's gangsta until somebody told you to put your hands in front! 🤣🤣🤣
33:05 - he's asking the kid to count the cash and wire the money (probably via online paying platform like wechat pay), so he's definitely into this whole mule thing
Yup that was the part that proved his claim that he thought it was "materials for making stuff", I could potentially believe they thought they were receiving watchlist chems for making semi-synthetic drugs or something otherwise. But their handler straight up outed them there as they clearly had no interest in the box of "materials" like a drug lab or whatever would but was asking for money in it's place.
What language is this
@@jacklee8282 Chinese
Why is this not top comment. Exactly. He knew way more than he said. They never let the kid answer.
@@jacklee8282 Most likely Mandarin.
That’s wonderful this was three years ago and I’m born and raised in San Francisco and I’m still here today. It’s a city I still love but things have changed. It hasn’t been the same since I was boy everything changed. I’m glad you guys came to visit us in my city!!
I am here from Pierogi. Bless you all guys and thank you for the effort and hard work you do to help innocent people. Thank you
Did you do any follow up to see if he is safe?
@@cyberquipment learn to reply to the correct people
Love Pierogi's old lady voice! LOL
The shop owners got more grief then this guy.
33:16 scammer on the phone "I send you a bank account, you transfer $2000 to that account"
38:45 "first of all, I didn't know this package had cash"
Great video. I find it interesting how trilogy media is unintentionally using legitimate interrogation techniques in a legal and voluntary conversation. For example, the use of "good cop bad cop" (which is actually used by law enforcement) and the technique of providing the assurance that if they confess everything will be better and they will be left alone. Art in particular is genuinely doing a great job here, even utilising the plausible justification technique, providing a more favourable reason as to why they are involved by suggesting that this could all just have happened by mistake. These are all actual techniques used by trained law enforcement and trilogy media is executing these interrogation tactics with expert precision with what I assume to be no prior training or research. This just shows the natural talent these guys have for this stuff. Keep it up, protecting our families from scams every day.
I like what youre atempting here, but this wasnt handled well at all
Why's that?
@@dragonhunter1902 Cause they could actually get the guy in very serious trouble, and by that, I do mean getting him beaten up pretty bad.
@The viva warrior
He said at the beginning, "I don't want to die.". Maybe he was scared of the 2 guys or he was scared of the people he works for.
@@ALF4MOJO Nahh! He's 24, not a kid, he put himself in that dangerous position. He knows the difference between right and wrong. I felt sorry for him at some point, but then I snapped out of it and thought, nah! stuff that, he knew he was doing 'something' illegal, may not have known that it was so much as a scam, laundering money out of elderly victims, but he knew it was wrong (and possibly knew it could be dangerous at some point in time too.)
It'll be sad, but no real sympathy from me if it did put him in danger, might make others think twice about doing it.
how? what did u want him to do be nicer to fuqen criminals?
I love it when I set reminders and they don't go off. Thanks youtube algorithm
You're talking too much! Perps can't stand the silence and will begin babbling.
Wow, Scammer Payback and Trilogy Media are a mighty combination!
This was eye opening. I never knew Chinese were working with the Indians until now. This is so much bigger than I thought.
Chinese work with anyone to scam a few bucks
It’s bad people from every ethnicity:(
I can imagine that this is a chain...with backups over backups
You can talk and talk to someone like that because when you're done, he will go right back and do it again.
Markissimo disproves that statement.
@@darkgtptitan and the 99% of repeat offenders disproves your statement. Just because you can pull one example does not discredit years of noticing and documenting a pattern
@@the85thgaming32 True but my point is that not everyone goes back to doing it, and so them taking the time to talk to someone to try and change is not a bad thing to do. One less scammer is one less scammer. So you can talk and talk to someone and just maybe, you change someone or several someones life. That was my point. I never said no one goes back. I said Markissimo didnt go back, and thus did disprove the original comments statement.
Not after he got his ass recorded..
Trilogy Media really care about people, individuals, not statistics. If they experienced only one scammer ever, in their intire careers, turned and left the business for good, they're gonna try the same with most if not all of them. Because that means alot to both the scammer and the victims. Why focus on negative statistics when in reality a "small" act of kindness can have such a huge impact!
One day a man was walking along the beach when he noticed a boy picking something up and gently throwing it into the ocean.
Approaching the boy, he asked, “What are you doing?”
The youth replied, “Throwing starfish back into the ocean. The surf is up and the tide is going out. If I don’t throw them back, they’ll die.”
“Son,” the man said, “don’t you realize there are miles and miles of beach and hundreds of starfish? You can’t make a difference!”
After listening politely, the boy bent down, picked up another starfish, and threw it back into the surf.
Then, smiling at the man, he said…..“I made a difference for that one.”
- Loren Eisley
This is how you change the world! And Trilogy Media is doing an amazing job doing exactly that. They're setting a very good example and using their influence they're encouraging many others to do the same!
Strive to be kind, loving and compassionate, always! 💕
“At least not this time. you little crooked guy”😂😂😂😂😂😂
the cutest insult of all time hahahaha
Art is seriously so amazing. He’s so good at talking with these mules.