in a pve min maxing looter shooter math is soooo crucial and ur in depth charts and tests plus the easy to digest presentation of all ur results are an actual god send amazing work m8 keep it up
Complicated decisions are a good thing. Maintains healthy build variety between weapons, instead of a "slap these mods and you win" type of situation. The galvanized mods with the arcanes are a breath of fresh air honestly. Along side the buffed corrupted Crit mods and we have a healthier moding climate then before
You obviously didn't understand the video correctly, these mods can only be used on ceertain weapons under certain circumstances. That is not a breath of fresh air, that is just more fart gas to cover up the fact that DE have no idea how to buff all guns, they can only buff certain, more powerful guns. Which, don't forget, will certainly be nerfed into the ground when DE looks into the data and sees that the majority of players are only using a handful of the more powerful weapons. Remember what happened to kitguns, when they were the most powerful weapons and the majority of players were using them? Yep, they nerfed those so bad that no-one uses them now. That was a situation that DE themselves created, and this will be no different. Just watch out for the many tweaks to come that will effectively make these mods not worth using at all. They could have just given a flat increase to the mods we were already using, but no, they introduced a complicated series of additional mods which may be more useful under certain circumstances. They still have not changed the current meta, even after the nerfs to attack speed, melee is still king, guns are still weak.
I don’t see it in the comments, maybe the youtube comments are just being classically unhelpful but they did fix the problem with galv crosshairs and scope now so if they’re your thing they are very good
The cedo is an amazing weapon with the status overload mod, as your secondary can apply a ton of status while the primary being hitscan, plus the stack of the innate ability
@@fadingspace7103 ehh, its always fun to have multishot on alot of weapons. a few places besides steel path can be good for it. arbitration, high level bounties, etc.
The projectile issue with gundition overload is a confirmed bug from the devs, apparently the issue for why it's bugged is complex and not the same for all weapons it is broken on. For my part, I suspect it has something to do with the projectiles damage being locked in on creation (aka firing) and not being able to dynamically update afterwards, with only damage taken increase debuffs on enemies affecting them at that point.
I don't personally see the galvanized status/CO mods as replacement for hornet strike, i use both lol. So its always just a benefit if i have room. Tysis makes use of the mods well since after the initial hit it starts doing a few extra procs, so by the time you fire another shot you will have extra procs. Once it's fixed i meant lol.
As a rule of thumb you don't stack mods, especially now when you also have damage arcanes. Galvanized mod + arcane makes hornet give like 30% overall bonus, not worth a mod slot. Weapon with 100 damage + Galvanized with 2 statuses = 100 + 240 = 340 Adding a merciless arcane with 360% damage on top = 100 + 240 + 360 = 500 Adding a hornet strike into the mix with everything = 100 + 240 + 360 + 220 = 720 (30% increase overall) Not to mention secondaries are already tight for slots with lethal torrent being a thing + expel mods, primed heated charge, primed crit mods or maybe a riven as well. Hornet strike is no longer a core mod on anything pretty much. Galv Shot / Galv Diffusion / Primed CC / Primed CD Lethal or Expel / 2 element mods (viral mostly) / Primed HC
@@Noinoi_ You need to get kills first. Against a boss like fighting your lich or sister, you don't be getting kills all the time so the damage bonus won't be applied at all. Same for the galvanized mods, if i fight one of them i avoid using those mods as i never get the bonus unless its survival or something and enemies keep coming to me.
@@EllaKarhu Yeah after the mods got fixed for the weapons i use the most i changed my mind from this post. I only use base damage mods too if its a pure toxin build or meant to be a lich killer weapon since you want as much damage as possible, diminishing returns or not.
Kengineer sir, you are a Master! Metaphorically speaking, I bow down to you sir. Astute as always, thank you for doing the 'math and percentages' work so we don't have to kill our brains to figure out Galvanized Mod usage. RESPECT!
That indeed was very helpful, as other youtubers already claimed, the status overload mods weren't working at all, which kept me from using them altogether.
I'm in the camp that ranged weapons should have received 2 or more mod slots to further differentiate and strengthen the weapons so you could still put on the flat damage mod to help get the kills or add more status effects to use the damage for status more mods more effectively.
it fall into a huge conundrum: would you have enough capacity? with a riven no mod slots is enough, and you have enough damage to not struggle on anything with the current mods/weapons except bad weapons, that is DE fault
Can i interject saying beam weapons dont actually need more slot to be powerful, they are a somewhat secret meta with some exeptions but if it was my decision? I would add one more slot to every weapon amd add a forma that adds capacity to a weapon or something like that
@@lotuscat3173 I would remove Serration from the game and instead calculate every gun's damage from base to what it is with Serration scaling from rank 0 to 30. So every level from 0 to 30 max (and not resetting with forma) your weapon gains 5.5% more damage. This means at max rank EVERY GUN HAS INNATE SERRATION, it's something that just happens. This frees up a mod slot for every player, even though everyone is going to say, "I don't even use that, I already only use Primed Bane mods, lmao." Well, yeah. The galvanized mods are just flat upgrades to your damage in 90% of cases. If DE is looking to give guns a buff, pulling out Serration, not Pressure Point, would do exactly that. Guns would be more powerful and useful than they are right now, ranking up weapons would be more useful and actually feel like the weapon improves as you use it, and starting builds wouldn't just be, "Welp, I can only fit my max rank Serration/Hornet Strike. Hope this gun doesn't blow chunks" until you reach MR 30.
I'd really love an updated version of this guide combined with your updated elements guide... Something like an "Advanced Modding Guide". As a player who understands the basics of multiplicative vs. additive bonuses when it comes to basic modding, I'd really love to understand where to go from there. Typically I'm just copying builds from content creators or Overframe but it's hard to discern which builds are actually "better". With the introduction of primed elemental mods and gun arcanes, it'd be nice to have some more modding rules of thumb that can be applied to weapon modding as a whole like when it's better to add a third element to a build. Which elements to mod for on which type of weapon. If non prime faction mods are worth a slot and what would be similar in damage/better if you don't want to muss around with swapping. Most of my knowledge comes from a time in warframe when there were elemental combos that were best to run per faction like Magnetic + Toxin for Corpus. Nowadays Viral + Heat seems to be the go to. While I understand that this is best for the highly armored Grineer units, what I don't understand is when it's better to use other alternatives. Ideally I'd love just a loadout of weapons that's specifically geared for high level targets of each faction that I could just set and forget,
This video popped up at the perfect time as I just thinking how to use these mods on Ignis Wraith. I felt like something was wrong with the headshot mods, I didn't know status kills (all Ignis kills) don't count with the headshot mods. Thanks for the info 👍
I think the only galvinized mods that are a must to me are the multishot ones. The damage reduction without buffs is minimal compared to the normal multishot mods and it can fit easily in every build. Surprised, as I thought these would be pretty underwhelming before the update hitted.
I love that they're all (basically) direct upgrades to their base versions. Like Galvanized Shot. Its Sure Shot, but even better. I love it, and again with Gal Shot it's the same polarity as Sure Shot even so it fit in my builds using Sure Shot, no fuss no muss. Beautiful.
the projectile bug is fixed, but you forgot to mention that status overload doesn't work on radial attacks. also it's better to have 1 damage mod and the other be a faction damage mod. unless you have Roar Subsumed
I do like the new Merciless arcane cause weapons the can kill groups of enemies like an Amprex or Envoy and get the max stack up really quickly which in turn increases the weapon damage to kill enemies even faster to keep the Arcane's perk topped off. Also when the timer hits zero, you only lose a stack and not the whole affect.
I would also add that primers require holstering, unlike Condition Overload. So basically adds a dimension of Fire Rate/Multishot. If in 0.3~0.5 seconds, my bullet hose can apply 3 status on a trigger pull. Tl;dr: weapons with good fire rate, multishot and status chance are weapons which can self prime. Primary Weapons need to optimise (as below), Shotguns do not fire fast enough to do so and secondaries are primers for a reason. Also Primer + Overload is meta for a reason. Primary Senarios: Vanilla Soma spooled with a FR of 15 and 90% MS I would be effectively firing 4~7 times in that window, with 8~14 bullets being fired. It with it's pitiful 7% status chance will not benefit much as a self-primer, as it will only get up to 12.6% status chance from the mod. This means we can safely expect to only get about 1 procs in this time window (assuming HM), making swapping to a primer more effective to just hosing with a Soma. Amprex with a FR of 12 with 90% MS, we would get an effective 3~6 ticks in that time, with 6~11 "status ticks". With a decent status chance of 22%, we get a status chance of 39.6%. This means we will get 2 status procs in this time period, with 2 'procs' on average with 100% base electric and slash from HM. This however is still not great. But having a more decent status chance does mean the adding viral or any other element which doesn't combine with electricity has opened the possibility to apply 3 status procs by itself in this time window, but just barely. This I think puts Amprex as a good "gateway" into self-priming weapons, being a weapon of high fire rate with just enough status chance for the possibility to pop up with it's distrubution of stats (crit for HM, few damage types for procing 2 unique elements). Jumping all the way up to Tenora Prime, with a FR of 12.67 will have 7~12 bullets being fired. 24% status chance being bumped up to 43.2% means we can expect to have 3~5 procs in this window. With an IPS of 30/40/30, we have a decent chance of having all 3 status types being applied, with a reasonable expectation of at least 2 different procs applied in this window. Adding elementals such as viral to the build also will change the distribution, but having 3~5 procs in this window means that having a 4th element isn't going to harm weightings too poorly (viral+slash). Being a bullet hose weapon, adding Fire Rate to the weapon itself such as Vile Acceleration will increase not only it's DPS, but also it's StatusPS. This allows the Tenora P to reliably self prime (ha. ha.) instead of holstering, and is only enhanced further by external means of applying status (e.g. chernobyl grass, spores, etc). Shottys imo actually do the worst despite having high pellet counts due to the low status per pellet and comparitively low fire rate. They are great if you have other means to increase pellet count or fire rate. As most secondaries tend to have decent fire rate and status chance as well as ready access to multishot in the form of Barrel Diffusion and Lethal Torrent, they nearly all will benefit from Galvanised Shot over Hornet Strike. They make up for it kinda for not having the same one shot capability as the other weapons.
Phantasma going brrr with galvanized status. Piles 100's of procs in seconds. Not great for acolytes tho because acolytes only get max 4 procs but its really fun lazering enemies!
I always thought Condition Overload was the coolest thing when it was OP, especially cause it wasn't just an OP melee mod, it didn't require me to spam melee, let alone sliding attacks. Instead, it incentivized the opposite, combining several things to greater effect, it was always so welcome to see a frame spread some more statuses. I'm really glad they kept this, the upfront vs. scaling dmg is a pretty cool way to create some variety too, it's essentially just uninspiring number crunching, but it feels satisfying to capitalize on anyway. Sort of unrelated, but I remember watching a tactical potato video when I first started, and when he described blast dmg, I misunderstood it would essentially turn any machine gun into a Mausolon/Acceltra etc., it's fun to imagine a world where the elements are that transformative in their properties. They could really lean into it with tight design, gas could counter slower enemies that linger in the buildup of DoT AoE, viral could be something that spreads in a network, more quickly if closer together. Magnetic, well, it'd actually magnetize enemies and have the expected (exaggerated) result. I really love super simple and organic toolbelts like that, it's elegant to intuit and put it to good use if the game is built around it. Which, yes, that means this isn't so much a suggestion for DE. It'll probably end up like Eclipse, really cool layer, but not really accomodated properly by the context it exists in. Great ability if you know the tile, of course.
With The New War coming soon, I wanted to start kitting out my Umbra, Skiajati, and Paracesis (sometimes I like to be thematic in my play, that's just a thing that I like). If anyone has some opinions on my mod loadouts (Paracesis complete, Umbra outline, Skiajati/Umbra Blade yet to start), I'd like some pointers. Forma is no concern to me, with just how easy it is to obtain. Paracesis Stance: Tempo Royale (Personal Preference) Sacrificial Steel|Sacrificial Pressure|Killing Blow|Spoiled Strike Gladiator Vice|Gladiator Might|Gladiator Rush|Carnis Mandible Info: I've never really made my own mod loadout before. This is my first ever attempt. All I _knew_ I wanted is that slight bonus damage to Sentients to hopefully off-set their defensive gimmick. Then, with that gimmick in mind, I really just went for Big Crit Swingin' with some Slash preference. In the hope that the Crits burn them down before their type-resistance gimmick gets too crazy. Excalibur Umbra (Needs Testing) Umbral Fiber|Umbral Intensify|Umbral Vitality|Energy Max|Ability Range Energy Efficiency (if it can fit)|Shield Booster (if it can fit)|Other bonuses as Drain becomes available Info: Again, even if it's slight, having that resistance to the Sentient's unique damage type could end up getting me out of a pinch. Outside of that, the main idea is to buff Howl to effect as wide of an area as possible, because it will both briefly stun the enemies, but will also remove their built-up resistances. If, by the end of the Forma spam, I can apply something like Energy Efficiency, Shield buff, or something else, then awesome. Skiajati Stance: Decisive Judgement (Personal Preference) Likely to be similar to Paracesis, but faster and possibly Proc-based (since I'll be using it on Umbra, and Paracesis is really for those Frames without a Sig Melee that I would actually use versus Sentients). Exalted Umbra Blade This is what Efficiency is for, if I can fit it onto Umbra. In the event that it can fit, Umbra Blade is likely going to be a fast crit machine for if I get swarmed by those mooks from the preview, or some other hostile enemy type that happens to be in the mission as well.
Paracesis: Tempo Royale is the best stance, good choice. First off, sentients are immune to status, so Carnis Mandible is probably best removed since the status is wasted. I'm also not really sure what you're trying to achieve with that build - you've got some mods that help with heavy attacks and some that help with combo, but in most situations you're not going to be able to utilise both. If you want to stay with a heavy attack build I would remove Gladiator Rush in favour of Corrupt charge - combo duration doesn't matter for heavy attack builds and Corrupt charge will DOUBLE your damage output if you're spamming heavy attacks. On the other hand, if you want to lean into a combo heavy build (imo a better decision) replacing Killing Blow with Blood Rush will make your crit chance MUCH higher and will kick out more overall damage. It's probably also a good idea to leave Spoiled Strike out for normal play as the attack speed loss isn't worth it if you're not heavy attacking. My builds based on yours would be: For Heavy Attacks: Sac Press. / Sac Steel. / Killing Blow / Spoiled Strike / Corrupt Charge / Gladiator Might / Organ Shatter / Life Strike For Combo: Sac Press. / Sac Steel. / Blood Rush / Quickening / Gladiator Might / Gladiator Rush / Gladiator Vice / Organ Shatter My Paracesis Build: Sac Press. / Sac Steel. / Blood Rush / Quickening / Gladiator Might / Drifting Contact / Primed Fury / Organ Shatter Excal Umbra: Triple Umbral mod is a given, range for Howl isn't a bad call, but I would usually prioritise Efficiency over Energy Max - that's a flavour choice tho, so don't necessarily listen to me on that! It's also not great to use shield mods on frames like Excal since your armor doesn't apply to shields, so they're a lot less useful than you might expect. Unless you're a very shield focused frame (Mag, Hildryn, Harrow) Redirection is usually a wasted slot IMO. You're much better off grabbing some more power strength for Exalted Blade and Hunter Adrenaline to sustain energy better. If you REALLY want to run Redirection I'd say Adaptation is really important because the Damage resistance is offers WILL apply to your shields. IIRC it also gives resistance to sentient damage so it fits into what you were saying about saving your ass. The Chromatic Blade augment is also fantastic for Exalted Blade so definitely give that some consideration. I'll include my Excal build so you can see it but for Warframes it really is way more about preference and taste. My usual Excal Build: U Fib / U Vit / U Int / Transient Fortitude / Stretch / Chromatic Blade / Hunter Adrenaline / Primed Continuity Skiajati: I actually don't know anything about the Skiajati, I don't like Nikanas very much so haven't used it. Same principles as the Paracesis will apply though. Exalted Blade: This is a little complicated. I use Chromatic Blade on my Umbra and I set the color to give me Heat damage at base. I then mod EB for Corrosive so I can shred the armor off anything I don't like. With JUST Chromatic Blade + Voltaic Strike for status chance you get 128.4% status which means every hit shreds armor or ignites them or both. Couple that with Condition Overload and a LOT of attack speed (Primed Fury + Quickening) and Things. Die. This is however not great vs sentients as they are immune to status. I think a crit focused build much like the Paracesis will do well on it, but since you can't run Blood Rush on it I'm not sure how best to go about that. Once again, I'll include my build so you can see my thinking, but there's lots of tweaks possible. My Exal Blade Build: Sac Steel / Sac Pressure / Primed Fever Strike / Voltaic Strike / Condition Overload / Primed Fury / Healing Return / Quickening Overall Comments: You're aiming squarely at the right things for what you want out of both your frame and weapons. There's solid ideas here that are worth keeping around and exploring. I really hope you don't think I'm being rude in any way!! I hope you find builds that work out well for you and satisfy that want to be thematic - I also love to be thematic in my play and think that's great.
@@izzyhawkins3631 TBH, I’m just happy that you accepted my preference and didn’t berate me for not using “The Meta”. Far more mature response than the forums would give. As for the loadouts, I’ll give them a try! And, as a note, the bronze Melee Gladiator is on there primarily for the buff to the set effect, and the one Carnis is there for the raw Slash buff. I couldn’t think of what else to put there on the end out of what I have.
@@DragonxFlutter the meta is the meta, but games aren't about being the best possible at every available opportunity. Games are about fun. The best thing about games as complex as warframe is that people disagree on what's best and most fun - and that diversity of play is what makes the game special. I'd hate for every player to pick the same frame and the same gun with the same mods... L A M E. Never stop trying new things, never stop throwing your own build into things. It's the best way to play.
a bit of an update/newer news; status overload mod does apply to some projectiles, in fact sometimes it's a multiplicative buff over additive to base damage. I know there is a google spreadsheet that's decently well maintained out there that has a list of porjectile weapons that they do/don't affect, and if it's additive/multiplicative. aznvasion(?) youtuber occasionally posts the link in the description of his videos whenever it's relevant.
Since I don't see a pinned comment, the status overload mods have been mostly fixed for projectile weapons. The one big thing with these, though, is that they are most often multiplicative with a base damage buff, meaning that you can double-dip on damage increases by using both a mod like Serration and a mod like Galvanized Aptitude without running into issues of diminishing returns. So your 165% Serration bonus with one stack of 40% Galvanized Aptitude and two unique status procs would give (1+1.65)*(1+0.4+0.4)=4.77 or a total 377% increase from none of these mods. They do still take 3 status procs to be a replacement for your base damage, but now they're a good option to be in addition.
Working with essentially passive 360% extra raw damage from the Gun arcanes further diminishes the status overload mods value, especially with the weaker non-secondarie versions. That's another consideration that might leave some weapons with no raw damage mod whatsoever slotted optimal or open up to use a qol/playstyle enhancing mod for a rather small opportunity cost depending on gun.
I did the math for the Impact Kuva Nukor recently and it's actually better than toxin or heat Nukor IF you 1. Have a spare mod slot for Hemorrhage, 2. Use Galvanised Shot, 3. Build around crit (the difference in dps is even more apparent if you use external critchance sources, like Arcane Avenger) And as a bonus it gives almost instant mercy finishers on heavy units, but you'll rarely need them, since most of the time they'll die from your Nukor quicker than you'll be able to approach them to execute the finisher. But(!) this setup requires your impact bonus to be higher than 45% This works because with Hemorrhage Impact gives you 2 additional status types instead of 1, and while on any other weapon this would've been a too unreliable thing to do, Kuva Nukor has so high of a status chance per kill, that you are gonna reliably proc slash on almost any enemy, assuming that you are fighting SP Grineer There are better ways to build Nukor if you aren't fighting SP Grineer/Corrupted, but IMO you don't really need to think about your build too much if you are fighting non-armored factions
Suddenly the Zenith got a lot more powerful. Primary Auto Fire meets the rule of thumb for for the Status mods, and its Secondary Fire makes getting headshot kills really easy and benefits greatly from the crit bonus. I wonder if a fully Galvanaized set up for the Zenith does better than the usual "Prime and Munitions" loadout that people usually run on the Zenith. May be something for someone to test out.
High explosive weapons do work well too with Galvanized Scope for some reason. For example, with the Stahlta, if you aim for the roof of a room instead of the angry mob, you're almost guaranteed to get all 5 stacks for it instantly. Aiming for a head in the middle of the crowd somewhat works too, but it's less reliable (still useful for refreshing stacks after maxing it though) Against infested it's even better, you just aim anywhere and immediately get headshot kills, I don't even know why
Infested heads are all over the place, that's why. Tentacle mass in front of Ancients, Grineer head hanging from the throat of Chargers, crotch piece on Mutalist MOAs, etc. Kinda makes getting headshots against infested reliable and unreliable at the same time.
8:08 this guide should really be updated to consider the merciless arcanes. I've seen a lot of people, even recently pointing to this video saying that primed point blank is better for cases like this where the first hit procs 3 elements with savy, w/o considering the bonus status chance (eg. for applying viral that increases both 1st shot and subsequent damage) or the fact that the 25% bonus increase from the extra stacks of viral can total more final damage per hit than the extra 80% dmg for a different type of proc when taking into consideration the merciless arcane bonus.
I think a lot of people are underestimating the galvanized critical chance mods. They can be very effective on AOE weapons like a bramma or zarr, not just precision weapons. Seems like people often think that you do not get headshots with these but I find that it gets them often enough to the increased critical chance active at all times if desired.
I'm very sure galvanised scope/crosshairs is bugged bc if u say leave the buff(you have 5 stacks) go down to 2 seconds remaining and get a headshot kill, it gives you 2 stacks remaining instead of preserving the 5. It seems like they made it that it decays over ten seconds instead of 50 like the rest of the mods( meaning 10 seconds per stack instead is more like 2.5 seconds per stack on the crit chance mods)
This video imho affirms heat generally is best on the kuva/tenet weapons. Since it's an easier variable to control make a viral/corrosive heat build and keep the damage numbers the same. Obviously there will be some weapons that need a nuanced suggestion like the cycron but with a balanced damage profile we would see more consistent damage.
Status overload mods dont work on radial attacks. Take the Kuva Bramma. It has 2 parts of its attack. The direct impact, the big boom after. The Galvanised buff will work on the direct impact of the arrow but NOT THE BIG BOOM. This is done as a limiting factor. Similarly, The Condition Overload in melee wont proc for the Glaive Thrown Attack radial burst.
Do you have any idea how the headshot mods affect Kitguns with the Pax Seeker Arcane installed? Seeker sending little sparks from the head of one headshot victim to others count as extra headshots to the mod stack or not?
nice Math .. but you forgot one very important thing in your Callculation ... Kills per Duration your "is that Mod better or that Mod" is only right for the first 2 Kills in terms of the Status Mod Gal Savvy. Add a third Victem and it alrdy changes havely 3 times 2.65 the average is still 2.65 .. take 1 times 100% and 2 times 340% and the Average is alrdy almost equal wit 260% or 2.6 muliplier, with 4 kills alrdy 2.8 avrg and so on
>be me >main the sporelacer and exodia contagion >hang out in steel path for an hour usually >don’t even start poping eclipse/roar until 20 mins due to one shotting I guess status overload is useless
About the Status Overload mods, does the rule of thumb also take into account Hunter Munitions, which forces Slash procs with 35% of Crit attacks, or Internal Bleeding/Hemorrhage, which force Slash procs with 35% or 70% of Impact procs? Also, I heard the Projectile issue was fixed a few hours ago with 30.5.5. Probably except the Catchmoon Kitgun's guaranteed Impact proc.
Question regarding Status Overload mods… When you say it is worth using on primaries with 8 or more procs, does the mod count each stack as a unique proc? For example, does having 10 stacks of viral count as 10x according to the mod? Or 1 because it is one unique status?
The *mod* scales damage off unique procs. One heat proc and twenty heat procs will give the same damage boost via the status overload mods. My point of 8 procs, combined with an appropriate spread of damage types, is to ensure you'll be landing enough unique procs *on average* to make the mods worthwhile. I'm not suggesting you need to get 8 unique procs going, nor do the mods count you having more than 1 stack of any given status.
Am I missing something on how the galvanized status mods work. I have been playing for years and they definitely say they have a stack limit unlike condition overload.
Question for the crit mods: What happens if the stacks run out *before* the mod effect itself runs out? The main effect triggers/resets on any headshot while the on kill effect requires well, kills. Maybe it just loses all stacks if the main effect runs out (i would test it myself but i hate arbitrations so im not gonna farm for mods i most likely wont use) edit: 10:33 from what i understand thats based on firing 2 shots, and since we r talking about the tennet diplos it will take waaay more than 2 bullets to kill a steel path/arbitration enemy (since the mods are unlocked via arbitrations im using it as a basepoint), where you may just get 3 procs at your 3rd shot and need 15 shots to kill the enemy, in this case losing that initial damage bonus from hornet strike is basically nothing
Not sure how many people will respond to this, and I’m not sure if this has been asked. But, whether it be Kengineer or another warframe player. Is it good to remove serration for weapons or are those types of mods (hornet strike, etc.) required in all builds regardless. I believe it was mentioned that the weapon mod should be removed, albeit I am a bit concerned as I’m rather new when it comes to the later game content
Serration and Hornet strike can be removed from a weapon if you have a suitable maxed out weapon arcane (Eg Primary Merciless), or if the weapon will apply *significant* status procs to a target before the target dies and you're using the status overload mod. Without the arcane or high status application, the base pure damage mod should still be used. If in doubt, give it a try! Worst case is you fail the mission, right? Then you try again.
I'm pretty sure after my own testing that what you are saying at 7:55 about the first shot damage is incorrect if your weapon has multishot which kind of invalidates everything you say and calculate afterwards. I tried it out with the Kuva Brakk and closely watched my individual bullets damage numbers on first shots without applied status effects. Apparently with multishot on weapons galvanized shot can increase your damage even on the first shot. The individual bullets seem to get processed sequentially.. if say your first bullet procced a status effect your remaining bullets do more damage. So with multishot weapons, especially high multishot and status weapons or even weapons with guaranteed procs these CO mods do in fact increase your first shot damage too, although of course less than it does on the second shot with every bullet getting the complete bonus damage..
I personally like to have all three raw dmg ( including the galvanized mods + riven) and merciless and than going towards crit and multi shot and whatever element combination I want to use but no Humu since I don't like the interaction with it. And I don't like heavy caliber and it's iterations except for the shotgun as that is the only on that seems helpful.
Voruna 2:nd Ability + Condition Overload on Stropha for a Heavy attack build = A lot of damage? Could be used a nuke on really strong enemies or bosses.
So I have a bit of a question, there are weapons like say the trumna that have a radial attack that also applies status in addition to the bullet itself how would this work into the math? how about hunter munitions providing extra procs?
I'll have to look up just how galv shot works. Mine says +40% damage per status. Stacks up to 2 times.. Yet 3 statuses adds that much damage somehow? What I do know is my kuva nukor is now dealing 200k damage per tic after a split second of damage, 32 times per second, with 64 status procs a second, and finally along with the bonus to headshot damage provided by Ivara's prowl. I can't even tell the difference between steel path enemies and standard chat enemies. They all die in less than a second.
Didn't physical (ips) have a 4x chance to proc vs the elemental status procs or was that removed? In other words more hidden math stats example the 60 viral 35 Impact 5 slash is actually by procs not damage 60 viral 140 impact and 20 slash. You'll have a higher chance at a impact proc then viral even if your doing viral damage.
not that related but I absolutely hate the kuva nukor, not the regular one, just the kuva variant bc the regular one is literally a microwave weapon while the kuva is a focused beam that conects to enemies, I would prefer 100x more if they actually made a kuva Atomos which fires a beam similar to the kuva nukor but without connecting instead of a kuva nukor even if it had the same stats as a nukor and we got a kuva nukor that actually fires microwaves with the huge limbs effect
Vigilante Armaments will be giving less than a 20% overall buff to damage and status procs if your Galvanized multishot mod is at full stack (compared to a ~31% buff stacked against ordinary Split Chamber). I'd say for many builds there's going to be a better mod for total damage gain, though don't ignore the joint effect on status delivery too.
There's not really a reason not to, those saying to not use serration etc. are saying to min/max the build. It's still a solid 30%~ boost in your damage regardless and most of these weapons are killing level 100+ enemies with ease already. Most people don't need to min max like that because they are not trying to fight level 1000 enemies 😂
Wait impact isn't recommended? My cyclon is impact and I thought with the impact changes to mercy kills it'd be okay.... Plus I wanted something all rounded that could deal with shields without losing too much against armour... What element should I go? Radiation?
If you want to build for mercy kills, then absolutely go for it. I personally don't find building for them to be worthwhile. Radiation can be a good all-round pick.
Yeah some Galvanized mods are Bugged right now, it wouldn't make sense if that wasn't a bug knowing you just worked your way through 3 Stack Buff then just immediately disappear unlike the other Galvanized mods, it's kinda unrewarding if that was the case.
Crit mods stacks going away all at once was a bug that has been fixed just btw
Fyi, nukor has a hidden status called microwave which is what makes limbs big, and it counts towards the mods
Yes and you can make the exploiter orb bigger for the memes too
This is crucial information I needed, and am glad to know, thank you!
I had completely forgotten about that weapon. I just got back into WF
Only on the (kuva)nukor does it count as a hidden status though. The Peculiar Growth mod gives the same visual effect but no hidden status stack.
Ah pyrocinical would love to inflate the orb mothers
in a pve min maxing looter shooter math is soooo crucial and ur in depth charts and tests plus the easy to digest presentation of all ur results are an actual god send
amazing work m8 keep it up
Im so used to playing destiny and I thought you said you were a PVE main, rip conclave mabey one day it will be a fun, and we'll balanced gamemode
@@kirasakumune2750 teshin becomes the new announcer for Trials
@@kaiser2979 If only trials are brought back....I remember messing with Vay Hek alongside 7 other Tenno.
Ooh, the Law of Retribution was incredible. Deeply missed.
@@michaelalbert6421 This is old but I got to do each trial once so long ago when i started and god damn does this game need them back
Complicated decisions are a good thing. Maintains healthy build variety between weapons, instead of a "slap these mods and you win" type of situation. The galvanized mods with the arcanes are a breath of fresh air honestly. Along side the buffed corrupted Crit mods and we have a healthier moding climate then before
Ye except it’s slap all galvanized mods exept scope ones ftw
You obviously didn't understand the video correctly, these mods can only be used on ceertain weapons under certain circumstances. That is not a breath of fresh air, that is just more fart gas to cover up the fact that DE have no idea how to buff all guns, they can only buff certain, more powerful guns. Which, don't forget, will certainly be nerfed into the ground when DE looks into the data and sees that the majority of players are only using a handful of the more powerful weapons. Remember what happened to kitguns, when they were the most powerful weapons and the majority of players were using them? Yep, they nerfed those so bad that no-one uses them now. That was a situation that DE themselves created, and this will be no different. Just watch out for the many tweaks to come that will effectively make these mods not worth using at all. They could have just given a flat increase to the mods we were already using, but no, they introduced a complicated series of additional mods which may be more useful under certain circumstances. They still have not changed the current meta, even after the nerfs to attack speed, melee is still king, guns are still weak.
@@wolfen210959 Do you still agree with what you said?
@jerard po buffed corrupted crit mods?
the thing is weapon modding just isnt good your gun usually just shoots its better to just have the best mods so you can just use warframes
I don’t see it in the comments, maybe the youtube comments are just being classically unhelpful but they did fix the problem with galv crosshairs and scope now so if they’re your thing they are very good
DE should hire you to make in-game tutorials!
Funny like de pays anyone to do instructions
The cedo is an amazing weapon with the status overload mod, as your secondary can apply a ton of status while the primary being hitscan, plus the stack of the innate ability
Its truly disgusting. I've gotten used to just looking for enemies that are clearly proc'd (and on purple fire) by the alt-fire.
Cedo is disgusting indeed. The glaive alone is enough to slaughter on the Steel Path just from ping ponging combined with Galvanized Savvy.
@@mynamejeff4142 It’s insane how much damage it does with priming that it always gets a laugh outta me how weak the primary is without priming.
These new mods have made me realise how infrequently actually get kills with my weapons, its pretty much only elite/ boss type enemies or nullifiers
They ARE made for Steel path missions where your hoarded by enemies. They are pretty useless for anything else.
@@fadingspace7103 ehh, its always fun to have multishot on alot of weapons. a few places besides steel path can be good for it. arbitration, high level bounties, etc.
The projectile issue with gundition overload is a confirmed bug from the devs, apparently the issue for why it's bugged is complex and not the same for all weapons it is broken on.
For my part, I suspect it has something to do with the projectiles damage being locked in on creation (aka firing) and not being able to dynamically update afterwards, with only damage taken increase debuffs on enemies affecting them at that point.
That must be it. I guess they would change it so it works more or less like how viral/sonar boosts damage
0:30 ah yes, the infamous Mutishot mods.
I don't personally see the galvanized status/CO mods as replacement for hornet strike, i use both lol. So its always just a benefit if i have room. Tysis makes use of the mods well since after the initial hit it starts doing a few extra procs, so by the time you fire another shot you will have extra procs. Once it's fixed i meant lol.
As a rule of thumb you don't stack mods, especially now when you also have damage arcanes. Galvanized mod + arcane makes hornet give like 30% overall bonus, not worth a mod slot.
Weapon with 100 damage + Galvanized with 2 statuses = 100 + 240 = 340
Adding a merciless arcane with 360% damage on top = 100 + 240 + 360 = 500
Adding a hornet strike into the mix with everything = 100 + 240 + 360 + 220 = 720 (30% increase overall)
Not to mention secondaries are already tight for slots with lethal torrent being a thing + expel mods, primed heated charge, primed crit mods or maybe a riven as well. Hornet strike is no longer a core mod on anything pretty much.
Galv Shot / Galv Diffusion / Primed CC / Primed CD
Lethal or Expel / 2 element mods (viral mostly) / Primed HC
@@FiveN9ne Maybe, but in practice i don't really see the point in a small ramp up when i can just do large bulk damage all the time.
@@Darthmufin you get your upfront damage from merciless. adding a rank 10 hornet now is the equivalent of adding a rank 3 hornet a month ago.
@@Noinoi_ You need to get kills first. Against a boss like fighting your lich or sister, you don't be getting kills all the time so the damage bonus won't be applied at all. Same for the galvanized mods, if i fight one of them i avoid using those mods as i never get the bonus unless its survival or something and enemies keep coming to me.
@@EllaKarhu Yeah after the mods got fixed for the weapons i use the most i changed my mind from this post. I only use base damage mods too if its a pure toxin build or meant to be a lich killer weapon since you want as much damage as possible, diminishing returns or not.
Kengineer sir, you are a Master! Metaphorically speaking, I bow down to you sir. Astute as always, thank you for doing the 'math and percentages' work so we don't have to kill our brains to figure out Galvanized Mod usage. RESPECT!
I'm big doo doo dumb dumb and I can't figure out how to build wrapons anymore xD
Thank u for ur much needed service
That indeed was very helpful, as other youtubers already claimed, the status overload mods weren't working at all, which kept me from using them altogether.
I'm in the camp that ranged weapons should have received 2 or more mod slots to further differentiate and strengthen the weapons so you could still put on the flat damage mod to help get the kills or add more status effects to use the damage for status more mods more effectively.
it fall into a huge conundrum: would you have enough capacity?
with a riven no mod slots is enough, and you have enough damage to not struggle on anything with the current mods/weapons
except bad weapons, that is DE fault
Can i interject saying beam weapons dont actually need more slot to be powerful, they are a somewhat secret meta with some exeptions
but if it was my decision? I would add one more slot to every weapon amd add a forma that adds capacity to a weapon or something like that
@@lotuscat3173 I would remove Serration from the game and instead calculate every gun's damage from base to what it is with Serration scaling from rank 0 to 30. So every level from 0 to 30 max (and not resetting with forma) your weapon gains 5.5% more damage. This means at max rank EVERY GUN HAS INNATE SERRATION, it's something that just happens. This frees up a mod slot for every player, even though everyone is going to say, "I don't even use that, I already only use Primed Bane mods, lmao." Well, yeah. The galvanized mods are just flat upgrades to your damage in 90% of cases. If DE is looking to give guns a buff, pulling out Serration, not Pressure Point, would do exactly that. Guns would be more powerful and useful than they are right now, ranking up weapons would be more useful and actually feel like the weapon improves as you use it, and starting builds wouldn't just be, "Welp, I can only fit my max rank Serration/Hornet Strike. Hope this gun doesn't blow chunks" until you reach MR 30.
Ah yes, 2 more mods for my Kuva brauma. Nothing can go wrong with this.
@@Nekufan1000000
I'm surprised they haven't done this already. . .
I'd really love an updated version of this guide combined with your updated elements guide... Something like an "Advanced Modding Guide". As a player who understands the basics of multiplicative vs. additive bonuses when it comes to basic modding, I'd really love to understand where to go from there. Typically I'm just copying builds from content creators or Overframe but it's hard to discern which builds are actually "better". With the introduction of primed elemental mods and gun arcanes, it'd be nice to have some more modding rules of thumb that can be applied to weapon modding as a whole like when it's better to add a third element to a build. Which elements to mod for on which type of weapon. If non prime faction mods are worth a slot and what would be similar in damage/better if you don't want to muss around with swapping.
Most of my knowledge comes from a time in warframe when there were elemental combos that were best to run per faction like Magnetic + Toxin for Corpus. Nowadays Viral + Heat seems to be the go to. While I understand that this is best for the highly armored Grineer units, what I don't understand is when it's better to use other alternatives. Ideally I'd love just a loadout of weapons that's specifically geared for high level targets of each faction that I could just set and forget,
This video popped up at the perfect time as I just thinking how to use these mods on Ignis Wraith. I felt like something was wrong with the headshot mods, I didn't know status kills (all Ignis kills) don't count with the headshot mods. Thanks for the info 👍
I think the only galvinized mods that are a must to me are the multishot ones. The damage reduction without buffs is minimal compared to the normal multishot mods and it can fit easily in every build.
Surprised, as I thought these would be pretty underwhelming before the update hitted.
I love that they're all (basically) direct upgrades to their base versions. Like Galvanized Shot. Its Sure Shot, but even better. I love it, and again with Gal Shot it's the same polarity as Sure Shot even so it fit in my builds using Sure Shot, no fuss no muss. Beautiful.
the projectile bug is fixed,
but you forgot to mention that status overload doesn't work on radial attacks.
also it's better to have 1 damage mod and the other be a faction damage mod.
unless you have Roar Subsumed
Very helpful. Thank you
I do like the new Merciless arcane cause weapons the can kill groups of enemies like an Amprex or Envoy and get the max stack up really quickly which in turn increases the weapon damage to kill enemies even faster to keep the Arcane's perk topped off. Also when the timer hits zero, you only lose a stack and not the whole affect.
I put galvanized multishot on my fulmin, and it is amazing.
Also, can you share your gauss build
I would also add that primers require holstering, unlike Condition Overload. So basically adds a dimension of Fire Rate/Multishot. If in 0.3~0.5 seconds, my bullet hose can apply 3 status on a trigger pull. Tl;dr: weapons with good fire rate, multishot and status chance are weapons which can self prime. Primary Weapons need to optimise (as below), Shotguns do not fire fast enough to do so and secondaries are primers for a reason. Also Primer + Overload is meta for a reason.
Primary Senarios:
Vanilla Soma spooled with a FR of 15 and 90% MS I would be effectively firing 4~7 times in that window, with 8~14 bullets being fired. It with it's pitiful 7% status chance will not benefit much as a self-primer, as it will only get up to 12.6% status chance from the mod. This means we can safely expect to only get about 1 procs in this time window (assuming HM), making swapping to a primer more effective to just hosing with a Soma.
Amprex with a FR of 12 with 90% MS, we would get an effective 3~6 ticks in that time, with 6~11 "status ticks". With a decent status chance of 22%, we get a status chance of 39.6%. This means we will get 2 status procs in this time period, with 2 'procs' on average with 100% base electric and slash from HM. This however is still not great.
But having a more decent status chance does mean the adding viral or any other element which doesn't combine with electricity has opened the possibility to apply 3 status procs by itself in this time window, but just barely. This I think puts Amprex as a good "gateway" into self-priming weapons, being a weapon of high fire rate with just enough status chance for the possibility to pop up with it's distrubution of stats (crit for HM, few damage types for procing 2 unique elements).
Jumping all the way up to Tenora Prime, with a FR of 12.67 will have 7~12 bullets being fired. 24% status chance being bumped up to 43.2% means we can expect to have 3~5 procs in this window. With an IPS of 30/40/30, we have a decent chance of having all 3 status types being applied, with a reasonable expectation of at least 2 different procs applied in this window. Adding elementals such as viral to the build also will change the distribution, but having 3~5 procs in this window means that having a 4th element isn't going to harm weightings too poorly (viral+slash). Being a bullet hose weapon, adding Fire Rate to the weapon itself such as Vile Acceleration will increase not only it's DPS, but also it's StatusPS. This allows the Tenora P to reliably self prime (ha. ha.) instead of holstering, and is only enhanced further by external means of applying status (e.g. chernobyl grass, spores, etc).
Shottys imo actually do the worst despite having high pellet counts due to the low status per pellet and comparitively low fire rate. They are great if you have other means to increase pellet count or fire rate.
As most secondaries tend to have decent fire rate and status chance as well as ready access to multishot in the form of Barrel Diffusion and Lethal Torrent, they nearly all will benefit from Galvanised Shot over Hornet Strike. They make up for it kinda for not having the same one shot capability as the other weapons.
Phantasma going brrr with galvanized status. Piles 100's of procs in seconds. Not great for acolytes tho because acolytes only get max 4 procs but its really fun lazering enemies!
@@aravinds3846 its every uniqe status effect aka 1 heat proc is the same as 10 heat procs for gun co
With the Boar Incarnon we have a way to put Shotgun Range on a beam weapon.
You deserve more views for the effort you put into these videos!!
I always thought Condition Overload was the coolest thing when it was OP, especially cause it wasn't just an OP melee mod, it didn't require me to spam melee, let alone sliding attacks.
Instead, it incentivized the opposite, combining several things to greater effect, it was always so welcome to see a frame spread some more statuses.
I'm really glad they kept this, the upfront vs. scaling dmg is a pretty cool way to create some variety too, it's essentially just uninspiring number crunching, but it feels satisfying to capitalize on anyway.
Sort of unrelated, but I remember watching a tactical potato video when I first started, and when he described blast dmg, I misunderstood it would essentially turn any machine gun into a Mausolon/Acceltra etc., it's fun to imagine a world where the elements are that transformative in their properties. They could really lean into it with tight design, gas could counter slower enemies that linger in the buildup of DoT AoE, viral could be something that spreads in a network, more quickly if closer together. Magnetic, well, it'd actually magnetize enemies and have the expected (exaggerated) result. I really love super simple and organic toolbelts like that, it's elegant to intuit and put it to good use if the game is built around it.
Which, yes, that means this isn't so much a suggestion for DE. It'll probably end up like Eclipse, really cool layer, but not really accomodated properly by the context it exists in.
Great ability if you know the tile, of course.
With The New War coming soon, I wanted to start kitting out my Umbra, Skiajati, and Paracesis (sometimes I like to be thematic in my play, that's just a thing that I like). If anyone has some opinions on my mod loadouts (Paracesis complete, Umbra outline, Skiajati/Umbra Blade yet to start), I'd like some pointers. Forma is no concern to me, with just how easy it is to obtain.
Paracesis
Stance: Tempo Royale (Personal Preference)
Sacrificial Steel|Sacrificial Pressure|Killing Blow|Spoiled Strike
Gladiator Vice|Gladiator Might|Gladiator Rush|Carnis Mandible
Info: I've never really made my own mod loadout before. This is my first ever attempt. All I _knew_ I wanted is that slight bonus damage to Sentients to hopefully off-set their defensive gimmick. Then, with that gimmick in mind, I really just went for Big Crit Swingin' with some Slash preference. In the hope that the Crits burn them down before their type-resistance gimmick gets too crazy.
Excalibur Umbra (Needs Testing)
Umbral Fiber|Umbral Intensify|Umbral Vitality|Energy Max|Ability Range
Energy Efficiency (if it can fit)|Shield Booster (if it can fit)|Other bonuses as Drain becomes available
Info: Again, even if it's slight, having that resistance to the Sentient's unique damage type could end up getting me out of a pinch. Outside of that, the main idea is to buff Howl to effect as wide of an area as possible, because it will both briefly stun the enemies, but will also remove their built-up resistances. If, by the end of the Forma spam, I can apply something like Energy Efficiency, Shield buff, or something else, then awesome.
Skiajati
Stance: Decisive Judgement (Personal Preference)
Likely to be similar to Paracesis, but faster and possibly Proc-based (since I'll be using it on Umbra, and Paracesis is really for those Frames without a Sig Melee that I would actually use versus Sentients).
Exalted Umbra Blade
This is what Efficiency is for, if I can fit it onto Umbra. In the event that it can fit, Umbra Blade is likely going to be a fast crit machine for if I get swarmed by those mooks from the preview, or some other hostile enemy type that happens to be in the mission as well.
Paracesis:
Tempo Royale is the best stance, good choice.
First off, sentients are immune to status, so Carnis Mandible is probably best removed since the status is wasted.
I'm also not really sure what you're trying to achieve with that build - you've got some mods that help with heavy attacks and some that help with combo, but in most situations you're not going to be able to utilise both. If you want to stay with a heavy attack build I would remove Gladiator Rush in favour of Corrupt charge - combo duration doesn't matter for heavy attack builds and Corrupt charge will DOUBLE your damage output if you're spamming heavy attacks. On the other hand, if you want to lean into a combo heavy build (imo a better decision) replacing Killing Blow with Blood Rush will make your crit chance MUCH higher and will kick out more overall damage. It's probably also a good idea to leave Spoiled Strike out for normal play as the attack speed loss isn't worth it if you're not heavy attacking.
My builds based on yours would be:
For Heavy Attacks: Sac Press. / Sac Steel. / Killing Blow / Spoiled Strike / Corrupt Charge / Gladiator Might / Organ Shatter / Life Strike
For Combo: Sac Press. / Sac Steel. / Blood Rush / Quickening / Gladiator Might / Gladiator Rush / Gladiator Vice / Organ Shatter
My Paracesis Build: Sac Press. / Sac Steel. / Blood Rush / Quickening / Gladiator Might / Drifting Contact / Primed Fury / Organ Shatter
Excal Umbra:
Triple Umbral mod is a given, range for Howl isn't a bad call, but I would usually prioritise Efficiency over Energy Max - that's a flavour choice tho, so don't necessarily listen to me on that! It's also not great to use shield mods on frames like Excal since your armor doesn't apply to shields, so they're a lot less useful than you might expect. Unless you're a very shield focused frame (Mag, Hildryn, Harrow) Redirection is usually a wasted slot IMO. You're much better off grabbing some more power strength for Exalted Blade and Hunter Adrenaline to sustain energy better. If you REALLY want to run Redirection I'd say Adaptation is really important because the Damage resistance is offers WILL apply to your shields. IIRC it also gives resistance to sentient damage so it fits into what you were saying about saving your ass. The Chromatic Blade augment is also fantastic for Exalted Blade so definitely give that some consideration. I'll include my Excal build so you can see it but for Warframes it really is way more about preference and taste.
My usual Excal Build: U Fib / U Vit / U Int / Transient Fortitude / Stretch / Chromatic Blade / Hunter Adrenaline / Primed Continuity
Skiajati:
I actually don't know anything about the Skiajati, I don't like Nikanas very much so haven't used it. Same principles as the Paracesis will apply though.
Exalted Blade:
This is a little complicated. I use Chromatic Blade on my Umbra and I set the color to give me Heat damage at base. I then mod EB for Corrosive so I can shred the armor off anything I don't like. With JUST Chromatic Blade + Voltaic Strike for status chance you get 128.4% status which means every hit shreds armor or ignites them or both. Couple that with Condition Overload and a LOT of attack speed (Primed Fury + Quickening) and Things. Die. This is however not great vs sentients as they are immune to status. I think a crit focused build much like the Paracesis will do well on it, but since you can't run Blood Rush on it I'm not sure how best to go about that. Once again, I'll include my build so you can see my thinking, but there's lots of tweaks possible.
My Exal Blade Build: Sac Steel / Sac Pressure / Primed Fever Strike / Voltaic Strike / Condition Overload / Primed Fury / Healing Return / Quickening
Overall Comments:
You're aiming squarely at the right things for what you want out of both your frame and weapons. There's solid ideas here that are worth keeping around and exploring. I really hope you don't think I'm being rude in any way!! I hope you find builds that work out well for you and satisfy that want to be thematic - I also love to be thematic in my play and think that's great.
@@izzyhawkins3631 TBH, I’m just happy that you accepted my preference and didn’t berate me for not using “The Meta”. Far more mature response than the forums would give.
As for the loadouts, I’ll give them a try! And, as a note, the bronze Melee Gladiator is on there primarily for the buff to the set effect, and the one Carnis is there for the raw Slash buff. I couldn’t think of what else to put there on the end out of what I have.
@@DragonxFlutter the meta is the meta, but games aren't about being the best possible at every available opportunity.
Games are about fun. The best thing about games as complex as warframe is that people disagree on what's best and most fun - and that diversity of play is what makes the game special. I'd hate for every player to pick the same frame and the same gun with the same mods... L A M E.
Never stop trying new things, never stop throwing your own build into things. It's the best way to play.
a bit of an update/newer news; status overload mod does apply to some projectiles, in fact sometimes it's a multiplicative buff over additive to base damage. I know there is a google spreadsheet that's decently well maintained out there that has a list of porjectile weapons that they do/don't affect, and if it's additive/multiplicative. aznvasion(?) youtuber occasionally posts the link in the description of his videos whenever it's relevant.
Do crit mods still lose all of the stacks at the same time?
never clicked faster in my life
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i had to watch the video twice, the first i forgot about you voice and got put in a trance xD
Thanks, I really needed this
Since I don't see a pinned comment, the status overload mods have been mostly fixed for projectile weapons. The one big thing with these, though, is that they are most often multiplicative with a base damage buff, meaning that you can double-dip on damage increases by using both a mod like Serration and a mod like Galvanized Aptitude without running into issues of diminishing returns.
So your 165% Serration bonus with one stack of 40% Galvanized Aptitude and two unique status procs would give (1+1.65)*(1+0.4+0.4)=4.77 or a total 377% increase from none of these mods. They do still take 3 status procs to be a replacement for your base damage, but now they're a good option to be in addition.
I didn't even notice the status ones were CO kill effects. I just assumed it was more of the base buff, like the others.
just found your channel, and rather glad to have! thank you!
All your videos are rock solid my friend. Keep it goin!
Working with essentially passive 360% extra raw damage from the Gun arcanes further diminishes the status overload mods value, especially with the weaker non-secondarie versions. That's another consideration that might leave some weapons with no raw damage mod whatsoever slotted optimal or open up to use a qol/playstyle enhancing mod for a rather small opportunity cost depending on gun.
I did the math for the Impact Kuva Nukor recently and it's actually better than toxin or heat Nukor IF you
1. Have a spare mod slot for Hemorrhage,
2. Use Galvanised Shot,
3. Build around crit (the difference in dps is even more apparent if you use external critchance sources, like Arcane Avenger)
And as a bonus it gives almost instant mercy finishers on heavy units, but you'll rarely need them, since most of the time they'll die from your Nukor quicker than you'll be able to approach them to execute the finisher.
But(!) this setup requires your impact bonus to be higher than 45%
This works because with Hemorrhage Impact gives you 2 additional status types instead of 1, and while on any other weapon this would've been a too unreliable thing to do, Kuva Nukor has so high of a status chance per kill, that you are gonna reliably proc slash on almost any enemy, assuming that you are fighting SP Grineer
There are better ways to build Nukor if you aren't fighting SP Grineer/Corrupted, but IMO you don't really need to think about your build too much if you are fighting non-armored factions
I think this video helped me figure out where my build is stuck in general, as far as weapons go
It was a whole year since this video. We badly need update for using galvanized mods cos AoE madness. Thanks
You are amazing. You are amazing at math and you break it down for those of us that are not! Thank you very much!
galvanized was fixed now
Suddenly the Zenith got a lot more powerful. Primary Auto Fire meets the rule of thumb for for the Status mods, and its Secondary Fire makes getting headshot kills really easy and benefits greatly from the crit bonus.
I wonder if a fully Galvanaized set up for the Zenith does better than the usual "Prime and Munitions" loadout that people usually run on the Zenith. May be something for someone to test out.
Bless you good sir I should really join in the Kengineer discord
this video is exactly what I was looking for but I think of my brain is also leaking out of my ears
High explosive weapons do work well too with Galvanized Scope for some reason. For example, with the Stahlta, if you aim for the roof of a room instead of the angry mob, you're almost guaranteed to get all 5 stacks for it instantly. Aiming for a head in the middle of the crowd somewhat works too, but it's less reliable (still useful for refreshing stacks after maxing it though)
Against infested it's even better, you just aim anywhere and immediately get headshot kills, I don't even know why
Infested heads are all over the place, that's why. Tentacle mass in front of Ancients, Grineer head hanging from the throat of Chargers, crotch piece on Mutalist MOAs, etc. Kinda makes getting headshots against infested reliable and unreliable at the same time.
Damn! Nice info, thanks.. i assume this works similar with tenet tetra, kuva zarr or bramma too?
I'd love for them to fix(?) the crit mods, but for now I won't be touching them.
oh yeah baby, 4.0 mutishot nightwatch napalm kuva ogris time
Status is a lie, there is only crit.
ur guides are the best on youtube for real
8:08 this guide should really be updated to consider the merciless arcanes. I've seen a lot of people, even recently pointing to this video saying that primed point blank is better for cases like this where the first hit procs 3 elements with savy, w/o considering the bonus status chance (eg. for applying viral that increases both 1st shot and subsequent damage) or the fact that the 25% bonus increase from the extra stacks of viral can total more final damage per hit than the extra 80% dmg for a different type of proc when taking into consideration the merciless arcane bonus.
As someone that sucks at math due to having to do it in my head (just how me brain works), these videos are increadibly helpfull!
I think a lot of people are underestimating the galvanized critical chance mods. They can be very effective on AOE weapons like a bramma or zarr, not just precision weapons. Seems like people often think that you do not get headshots with these but I find that it gets them often enough to the increased critical chance active at all times if desired.
I was planning on asking about the Galvanized mods haha
Secondary Encumber (cucumber LUL) is a big buff for the Galvanized Shot mod.
I'm very sure galvanised scope/crosshairs is bugged bc if u say leave the buff(you have 5 stacks) go down to 2 seconds remaining and get a headshot kill, it gives you 2 stacks remaining instead of preserving the 5. It seems like they made it that it decays over ten seconds instead of 50 like the rest of the mods( meaning 10 seconds per stack instead is more like 2.5 seconds per stack on the crit chance mods)
Thanks for this video.
This video imho affirms heat generally is best on the kuva/tenet weapons. Since it's an easier variable to control make a viral/corrosive heat build and keep the damage numbers the same. Obviously there will be some weapons that need a nuanced suggestion like the cycron but with a balanced damage profile we would see more consistent damage.
For the Tenet Cycron I go for Magnetic, just like with the Kuva Nukor.
@@IllusionistsBane yea the fact nukor does that and better too just seems redundant when you can make a pretty high heat beam.
Status overload mods dont work on radial attacks.
Take the Kuva Bramma. It has 2 parts of its attack. The direct impact, the big boom after.
The Galvanised buff will work on the direct impact of the arrow but NOT THE BIG BOOM. This is done as a limiting factor.
Similarly, The Condition Overload in melee wont proc for the Glaive Thrown Attack radial burst.
So what i'm hearing is that my 750% status vaykor marelok is viable. Good to know.
this is the way
Do you have any idea how the headshot mods affect Kitguns with the Pax Seeker Arcane installed? Seeker sending little sparks from the head of one headshot victim to others count as extra headshots to the mod stack or not?
(3:28) Teeeno *SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONT!!!*
I feel like you kinda forgot that these status overload type mods don't just let you deal extra damage. They also increase your status chance.
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Galv scope in Kuvas Zarr and Bramma is amazing! Test it for us too
We don't know why, but explosion guns get hs kills too
Actually very useful video
nice Math .. but you forgot one very important thing in your Callculation ... Kills per Duration
your "is that Mod better or that Mod" is only right for the first 2 Kills in terms of the Status Mod Gal Savvy.
Add a third Victem and it alrdy changes havely 3 times 2.65 the average is still 2.65 .. take 1 times 100% and 2 times 340% and the Average is alrdy almost equal wit 260% or 2.6 muliplier,
with 4 kills alrdy 2.8 avrg and so on
>be me
>main the sporelacer and exodia contagion
>hang out in steel path for an hour usually
>don’t even start poping eclipse/roar until 20 mins due to one shotting
I guess status overload is useless
When the condition overlord mod is fixed how do you think it would do on the cedo?
Cedo is its own primer, so yee it would work great
@@flaket2869 hm....early genocide for konzu
@@flaket2869 also status effects boost the cedo’s primary fire, basically has galvanized savvy built into it
About the Status Overload mods, does the rule of thumb also take into account Hunter Munitions, which forces Slash procs with 35% of Crit attacks, or Internal Bleeding/Hemorrhage, which force Slash procs with 35% or 70% of Impact procs?
Also, I heard the Projectile issue was fixed a few hours ago with 30.5.5. Probably except the Catchmoon Kitgun's guaranteed Impact proc.
It hasn't been fixed on all; seen reports for a variety of guns
Question regarding Status Overload mods…
When you say it is worth using on primaries with 8 or more procs, does the mod count each stack as a unique proc? For example, does having 10 stacks of viral count as 10x according to the mod? Or 1 because it is one unique status?
The *mod* scales damage off unique procs. One heat proc and twenty heat procs will give the same damage boost via the status overload mods.
My point of 8 procs, combined with an appropriate spread of damage types, is to ensure you'll be landing enough unique procs *on average* to make the mods worthwhile. I'm not suggesting you need to get 8 unique procs going, nor do the mods count you having more than 1 stack of any given status.
Am I missing something on how the galvanized status mods work. I have been playing for years and they definitely say they have a stack limit unlike condition overload.
The stacks affect the effectiveness of the condition overload effect. With one stack it's 40% per status type, at two stacks it's 80%
With the way and math you present your videos, i forget that this video is about a video game
Question for the crit mods: What happens if the stacks run out *before* the mod effect itself runs out?
The main effect triggers/resets on any headshot while the on kill effect requires well, kills. Maybe it just loses all stacks if the main effect runs out (i would test it myself but i hate arbitrations so im not gonna farm for mods i most likely wont use)
edit: 10:33 from what i understand thats based on firing 2 shots, and since we r talking about the tennet diplos it will take waaay more than 2 bullets to kill a steel path/arbitration enemy (since the mods are unlocked via arbitrations im using it as a basepoint), where you may just get 3 procs at your 3rd shot and need 15 shots to kill the enemy, in this case losing that initial damage bonus from hornet strike is basically nothing
Okay but cedo. MOAR DAMAGE
My Catchmoon just got it's 8th forma to fit galvanized diffusion, making all the slots forma'd 🤣
Not sure how many people will respond to this, and I’m not sure if this has been asked. But, whether it be Kengineer or another warframe player. Is it good to remove serration for weapons or are those types of mods (hornet strike, etc.) required in all builds regardless. I believe it was mentioned that the weapon mod should be removed, albeit I am a bit concerned as I’m rather new when it comes to the later game content
Serration and Hornet strike can be removed from a weapon if you have a suitable maxed out weapon arcane (Eg Primary Merciless), or if the weapon will apply *significant* status procs to a target before the target dies and you're using the status overload mod.
Without the arcane or high status application, the base pure damage mod should still be used.
If in doubt, give it a try! Worst case is you fail the mission, right? Then you try again.
You’re the Matt Parker of Warframe lol
I'm pretty sure after my own testing that what you are saying at 7:55 about the first shot damage is incorrect if your weapon has multishot which kind of invalidates everything you say and calculate afterwards. I tried it out with the Kuva Brakk and closely watched my individual bullets damage numbers on first shots without applied status effects. Apparently with multishot on weapons galvanized shot can increase your damage even on the first shot. The individual bullets seem to get processed sequentially.. if say your first bullet procced a status effect your remaining bullets do more damage. So with multishot weapons, especially high multishot and status weapons or even weapons with guaranteed procs these CO mods do in fact increase your first shot damage too, although of course less than it does on the second shot with every bullet getting the complete bonus damage..
I personally like to have all three raw dmg ( including the galvanized mods + riven) and merciless and than going towards crit and multi shot and whatever element combination I want to use but no Humu since I don't like the interaction with it. And I don't like heavy caliber and it's iterations except for the shotgun as that is the only on that seems helpful.
Voruna 2:nd Ability + Condition Overload on Stropha for a Heavy attack build = A lot of damage?
Could be used a nuke on really strong enemies or bosses.
i mean yeah even jsut the ability with roar is good enough to kill a lot
So I have a bit of a question, there are weapons like say the trumna that have a radial attack that also applies status in addition to the bullet itself how would this work into the math? how about hunter munitions providing extra procs?
bro what is your nukor build, its hella scary?
Have the gun CO mods been fixed to work on all guns yet?
does the status galv mods' CO part work yet? last i checked it was still broken
I'll have to look up just how galv shot works. Mine says +40% damage per status. Stacks up to 2 times..
Yet 3 statuses adds that much damage somehow?
What I do know is my kuva nukor is now dealing 200k damage per tic after a split second of damage, 32 times per second, with 64 status procs a second, and finally along with the bonus to headshot damage provided by Ivara's prowl.
I can't even tell the difference between steel path enemies and standard chat enemies. They all die in less than a second.
How can you tell if galvanized status mod work on a weapon or not. If it work, it scale additive or multiplicitive?
how does a shotgun pellet count affect the formula for the condition overload mod??????
Clicked this the second it popped up in my recommendation
So.. DE claim to have fixed the status overload mods. Can I now use galvanized savvy on guns like Corinth and Cedo?
This guy is the 3kliksphilip of Warframe. thank you for the content
Didn't physical (ips) have a 4x chance to proc vs the elemental status procs or was that removed? In other words more hidden math stats example the 60 viral 35 Impact 5 slash is actually by procs not damage 60 viral 140 impact and 20 slash. You'll have a higher chance at a impact proc then viral even if your doing viral damage.
The 4x weighting for physical status procs was removed with the status rework quite a while back.
@@TheKengineer awesome thanks. it's been I while since I dung deep into looking at damage my computer died
not that related but I absolutely hate the kuva nukor, not the regular one, just the kuva variant bc the regular one is literally a microwave weapon while the kuva is a focused beam that conects to enemies, I would prefer 100x more if they actually made a kuva Atomos which fires a beam similar to the kuva nukor but without connecting instead of a kuva nukor even if it had the same stats as a nukor and we got a kuva nukor that actually fires microwaves with the huge limbs effect
Is it worth using Vigilante Armaments with the Galvanized multishot mods or am I better off replacing it?
Vigilante Armaments will be giving less than a 20% overall buff to damage and status procs if your Galvanized multishot mod is at full stack (compared to a ~31% buff stacked against ordinary Split Chamber). I'd say for many builds there's going to be a better mod for total damage gain, though don't ignore the joint effect on status delivery too.
Should I put the multishot mod on ignis wraith?
Yes
i use the multishot / status overload mods with serration/hornet strike/point blank . and i main garuda
There's not really a reason not to, those saying to not use serration etc. are saying to min/max the build. It's still a solid 30%~ boost in your damage regardless and most of these weapons are killing level 100+ enemies with ease already. Most people don't need to min max like that because they are not trying to fight level 1000 enemies 😂
I feel like I'm back in school from this game.
i love your videos
Wait impact isn't recommended? My cyclon is impact and I thought with the impact changes to mercy kills it'd be okay.... Plus I wanted something all rounded that could deal with shields without losing too much against armour... What element should I go? Radiation?
If you want to build for mercy kills, then absolutely go for it. I personally don't find building for them to be worthwhile. Radiation can be a good all-round pick.
Yeah some Galvanized mods are Bugged right now, it wouldn't make sense if that wasn't a bug knowing you just worked your way through 3 Stack Buff then just immediately disappear unlike the other Galvanized mods, it's kinda unrewarding if that was the case.