All 3 truck Shays have a separate water tank and fuel bunker. Fuel bunker is behind the cab and water tank is the larger unit over the third truck. The spout would generally be connected to some sort of steam pump to siphon water out of a nearby pond or creek when a water tower wasn't available. At Roaring Camp, most of our engines are fitted with Worthington Steam Pumps, but we use them to supply water to the engine's onboard fire hose so we could fight a line side fire should that sort of situation arise. The bracing you're referring to on the trucks is a crossbar. Unlike a normal arch bar truck where the side frames flex some, you want the ones on a Shay to be stiff as otherwise it throws the gear mesh off. Most of the flexibility is through the springs on the bolsters and the sprung journal boxes on the fireman's side. Those crossbars allow the rest of the truck to be much more rigid.
Perfect description! A lot of people have been postulating. But I think the general position is that those are too stiff in the truck so the gears don’t come out of alignment. In close inspection and really thinking it through, the torque across that system must be incredible. Thanks!!!!! I’m pretty sure that in this case there is a small water tank surrounding the fuel tank. The oil fuel tank is removable. Leaving behind a horse shoe shaped water tank. As it appears anyway. And I assume it would simply be there to add weight above that particular driver truck
@@ToyManTelevision There’s no water in that fuel bunker. Usually the way this worked was that the bunker itself was built as a big open shroud where you could put solid fuel or insert a tank. Oil burning Shays had a tank inserted in this shroud. Some Shays just had the oil tank and nothing more. Regardless, even if there was an extra shroud on the outside, there was no water in it. How would you fill it? No extra hatch up there. All water went in the back tank and all fuel went in the tank behind the cab.
Beautiful locomotive! I couldn't believe my eyes and ears at how smooth that the Shay ran. Shays weren't my favorite locomotives, but this one is a beauty. They're starting to grow on me. Thanks again for another great video!
When the Bachmann 3 truck shay came out I decided to not get one as I already have an Accucraft West Side Lumber 3 truck shay in brass. When Al Kramer was offering the non sound version for such a great deal well... I just had to have one of them too! Like yourself I have been stashing the large scale offerings for some time most of which are still in their boxes. It has been a getem while you can situation some of which are no longer easy to find therefore I have no regrets in being a train nut hoarder.
We’re not hoarders were collectors! Well a collector is just a hoarder but a well organized order. Sometimes with a clean house. Yeah Al had such a great price on these right?
I’ve done the same as you two. Bought most of the Bachmann G gauge logging engines when they were new and relatively inexpensive, and packed them away for future use. Sure glad I have a Heisler as that one in particular I could never afford at today’s prices. My only regret is that I did not buy the 2-6-6-2. That one is crazy expensive now. I have the two truck Shay, three truck Shay, Heisler, Climax and the 44 ton diesel with side rods. I just hope I have not stored them so long I have trouble waking them up when the time comes!
Those beams that cross front one truck side frame to the other are call brake beams. The brakes were pulled by rods from the center of the truck and they used I-beams to transmit that pulling force to the brake shoes. there are also small tie plates that connect the side frames across from one side to the other, they run along the bottom of each brake beam and they are just flat steel bars that are bent around in square loops.
My favorite locomotive. It's the one that got me fascinated with railfanning. Road on one several times at dry gulch junction near wytheville as a child
Those aspens are awesome. You can’t tell where the trees stop and the back drop begins. Beautiful engine. I am envious. Never boring. Waiting for your next episode.
That is a beautiful engine. Seeing these models helps you appreciate the design and engineering that went into the real units. On one hand they are rather simple but when you look a little deeper these engines are complex in design and in manafacturing technology. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Us too!! Still waiting for rail. So working on the single stall engine house. Mostly finished the long wall today. Mostly. Tomorrow the foundation and end walls with the locomotive doors.
The standpipe to the tender is attached to an ejector. The opposite of an INjector. The Willamette we have at my historical museum has that set up. It allows the crew to fill the water tender from a stream or other handy body of water.
I thought it might be something like that but I wasn’t quite sure. I know that because she locomotives have that big fill tube mounted to the side that can be dumped into a creek so I guess that’s the way that works! Thank you
The casting has a steam line attached and the nozzle is pointed at the loco or the direction the water is wanted to go and the steam turned on. The whole thing works like a syphon which some people call it. The Reader RR had one on each loco. The casting has a sort of heart shape with the steam nozzle inserted into the combining area. Shays were always noted for not much short of derailment would stop one. The Greenbrier Cheat & Elk(Mower Lumber Co.) added a 4th truck under a 3-truck Shay using mostly new parts already on hand in the shop while adding onto the tender frame and tank making the machine about 212 tons.(I think). There were very few 4-truck Shays. The Western Maryland No. 6 was the last Shay Lima built and the largest.
Love it ... I have a roundhouse kit 3truck shay that I picked up in Canada in 1986 ... It runs well . Going to have a dual setup throw switch for doc and dcc on the same track 👀👀👀👀👍👍👍
There are many ‘break downs’ of the SHAY trucks. The lower square frame actually supports many parts that is part of the ‘truck’ itself. Go to your favorite website and look up the SHAY truck components and your answer will be found. Take care! 👽
Hi! Nice to hear from here from you again. I sure love these login engines. And of course Karyn is a caboose fan and really should build us one for this railroad!
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I think that frame around the bottom of the trucks is the bottom support for the gear mounts. That is what it appears to be even when looking at full size photos online.
I completely agree. They also support the break mechanism which has been pointed out, put the torsion across those gears when pulling a grade must be incredible! I could easily twist the bearings completely free of the trucks if not properly supported.
That Is Awesome I so love shay locomotives. It ran so well just being pulled from the box and sitting so long. I so love your videos. You guys stay warm I know it cold there. My On30 need more rolling stock also.
Nice Collection of G Scale Logging Engines. We have the G Scale 2 Truck Shay we used to run on our outdoor Railroad. And we do have 2 O Scale Shays, a Heilser and a Climax we run on our O Scale Layout all the time. You can see them on Jebbs Trains youtube channel.
Wow, I never new that All in Vegas was offering them cheaper than other outlets as I picked mine up from him about 6 years ago. Same model as yours the unlettered one and that was £350 + about £40 postage to Scotland. Its a super model and I look forward to you logging line.
I think the bottom braces going from side to side are to help keep the drive gears meshed well in the crown gears otherwise they would be inclined to eventually spread. One thing to note when putting the truck shafts together is to keep the yokes 90 degrees rotated like on your loco as they are on the prototypes to help stop mechanical oscillation issues.
That pipe you are curious about is for filling the water tank when there is no water tower or spout. What happens is the shay stopes at a water sorce like a river, pond or in your case creek and dropes a hose into the water. Then a steam powered water pump pumps the water out of the house throu the strange pipe on the locomotive into the tank. I road on the Cass Scenic Railroad and watch them do that from a tank in the ground. Also the space behind the cab is strictly for the fual for the fire.
Yep! Now I know how that system works. But I’m pretty sure there is a water tank surround in the fuel tank behind the cab, mostly there for traction. When we were riding the big trees Railroad they had to stop before Climbin the 8% grade to shift water from one tank to the other to make sure they had proper weight over all the wheels.
For such large engines, once they are connected up, they should go into a ROLL ON - ROLL OFF type of engine carrier so that one does not need to fiddle with wires, king posts, or drive lines every time you want to take it our for a run. Thank you for your fine videos.
Thank you for showing the Shay to us. I love the moving eccentrics and cranks. As a logging railway, why would you need a caboose? Not much paperwork to do, brakemen can ride on the load or in the cab.
They always have those little tiny rock ‘n’ roll cabins at the back. Not so much for doing paperwork but you do have to have some crew at the back of the train, and I would imagine but there comes a time when everybody just needs to take a nap when they’re working a 20 hour a day
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Your shay is awesome! Wondering if you looked at my comment about camp six logging in Washington state? Nice to see the shay running so smoothly right out of the box. I am only guessing the framing on the wheels might be to keep the wheels true/aligned? When you were sifting dirt on Sunday I thought of a scene you might add with some prospectors out panning for gold. Easy to get fools gold. Maybe Karyn would have fun with that. Have a great week and see you Sunday!!! Jim
Hi! Camp six…… I seem to remember it but my mind is often mush. I do seem to remember looking at that. We really want to get back up into that area and go to some of the logging museums and so on. Now I need to Google Camp six… But I’m pretty sure I looked at that. Just drawing a blank which is pretty common for me
Hi!! Just checking on Google and yes indeed looked at over! It’s right near some other museums that we want to see in that area. When this miserable pandemic is over. Also really really interested in the Rayonier museum
They had 4 classes of shays so i imagine as the weight increased the trucks would need to b modified to support the weight. It also makes sense that an owner may order a shay with "non-standard" truck. Loco were custom built to order in those days. Also with the various upgrades that willamet came up with, the trucks could be one. Perhaps a retrofit. Or maybe bachmann just screwed up(plausible). Who knows
3:32 Braces? They usually hold up gentlemen's trousers in Great Britain! : ) In all seriousness, it looks like they hold the bottom of the drive shaft bearings.
Really appreciate your videos. I came across Joe Crea's Gn3 mining diorama which was the beginning of his mining layout. It occurred to me that one of these shays or a 2 truck version might work really well for a similar layout. Any idea what the minimum turning radius is? Or what would it take to convert a On30 Bachman shay to Gn??? scale?
I’ve taken mine through a 36” radius. But over a short distance. Hope that works as I have a 6 foot horseshoe cure on the plan. The little ones can do it. Hopefully this can too
@@ToyManTelevision Thanks for the answer. I have always wanted to do a doll house or better yet a small town, 6 or so buildings. Adding trains to it would be a lot of fun. Hope some day to see one or both of those shays creeping through that curve.
Now there is a great question! I was planning to use the Acucraft ones. But now I’m leaning toward Bachmann because they work better even though they don’t look as nice. But boy I like those Acucraft ones but they tend to hang up
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Well the snow came here finally. Snowed like crazy last night and this morning it all blew away. Massive windstorm. So no snow on the lawn but snow drifts everywhere. So the long missing winter and just arrived
I’m now thinking it’s there mostly to stabilize the wheel bearings which support the gears. The torsion across those bearings must be incredible and if they’re not properly supported it would simply twist. The chaise on the big tree is railroad routinely pull the 8% grade. Wow!! Pulling in a long passenger train. OK every once in a while they need to back up and try again but they always make it at some point.
It’s hard to find but I’ve always preferred the label’s white grease. It’s a Teflon grease and it works great on all kinds of plastic gears without damaging them. I wonder in fact if some of the gear problems that people have come from using petroleum based lubricants on their gears.
Hi guys. Did you get the email I sent you a few weeks ago? I sent some photos of a shay that was used on a bush logging tramway near Toowoomba Queensland Australia. You're both looking well, loving the layout too.
Hi. No missed it! I have such a hard time with email but I’ll look for it. I get 300 pieces of email a day and I just can’t manage it. Really sucks. But I’ll look for it thanks!
Wow!! And I have avoided put in any grades at all anywhere on this rail road. Not that I’m objecting to grades but I’ve had so many problems with them in previous railroads and I just thought you know if this time I’m going to keep the lying flat
I believe that so called cow catcher was so the locomotive would not get damaged if it was running threw grassy track and a log was unknowingly on the tracks, or if a tree fell in front of the locomotive and it couldn't stop the frame wound get damages
@@hamiltonsullivan6563 hi. Originally I was wondering about the bars at each end of the wheel trucks. It seems they are braces to keep the bearings from twisting under load.
Depending on the age , that is if it was made about the same time as the First Production Run as the 2 Truck Shay , I would take a good hard look at the Mane Gear , if it's a Dark Gold color , it's the PoC alloy that was used in the first production 2 Truck Shay that was the main problem and fault of the first production run . The Water Psiphon is a feed line the engine or at least the Reservoir in the engine . You had the right description but you had it backwards it doesn't put water into the Third section it removes it from the section the hatch on top is where the water goes in and you misspoke about oil change you had that right at first but then you said water also went into that and it doesn't As far as the framework around the trucks I don't know what it's for I got one that's HO scale it has the same framework around the trucks why again I don't know .
I'm doing a price list on my most expencivelocomotives right now, and I can't find a price of even a listing for a bachmann GO unpainted shay. How much do you think it's would be going for?
Call Al Collins in Las Vegas sold me mine for around $250? As I recall. He had a whole bunch of them you might look for him on eBay. Call himself ana.Kramer
I believe that framework is part of the brake rigging
All 3 truck Shays have a separate water tank and fuel bunker. Fuel bunker is behind the cab and water tank is the larger unit over the third truck. The spout would generally be connected to some sort of steam pump to siphon water out of a nearby pond or creek when a water tower wasn't available. At Roaring Camp, most of our engines are fitted with Worthington Steam Pumps, but we use them to supply water to the engine's onboard fire hose so we could fight a line side fire should that sort of situation arise.
The bracing you're referring to on the trucks is a crossbar. Unlike a normal arch bar truck where the side frames flex some, you want the ones on a Shay to be stiff as otherwise it throws the gear mesh off. Most of the flexibility is through the springs on the bolsters and the sprung journal boxes on the fireman's side. Those crossbars allow the rest of the truck to be much more rigid.
Perfect description! A lot of people have been postulating. But I think the general position is that those are too stiff in the truck so the gears don’t come out of alignment. In close inspection and really thinking it through, the torque across that system must be incredible. Thanks!!!!! I’m pretty sure that in this case there is a small water tank surrounding the fuel tank. The oil fuel tank is removable. Leaving behind a horse shoe shaped water tank. As it appears anyway. And I assume it would simply be there to add weight above that particular driver truck
@@ToyManTelevision There’s no water in that fuel bunker. Usually the way this worked was that the bunker itself was built as a big open shroud where you could put solid fuel or insert a tank. Oil burning Shays had a tank inserted in this shroud. Some Shays just had the oil tank and nothing more. Regardless, even if there was an extra shroud on the outside, there was no water in it. How would you fill it? No extra hatch up there. All water went in the back tank and all fuel went in the tank behind the cab.
Beautiful locomotive! I couldn't believe my eyes and ears at how smooth that the Shay ran. Shays weren't my favorite locomotives, but this one is a beauty. They're starting to grow on me.
Thanks again for another great video!
I generally prefer the little teeny T boiler Chaice but this one has made a convert of me
Nice engine. Your logging railroad track and scenery are looking great. You are a very talented team.
Thank!!! Soon be running on the actual logging railroad
Dale, That's a really smooth running beauty! Regards Stephen.
Hi. Yes WOW 🤩 happy with it
When the Bachmann 3 truck shay came out I decided to not get one as I already have an Accucraft West Side Lumber 3 truck shay in brass. When Al Kramer was offering the non sound version for such a great deal well... I just had to have one of them too! Like yourself I have been stashing the large scale offerings for some time most of which are still in their boxes. It has been a getem while you can situation some of which are no longer easy to find therefore I have no regrets in being a train nut hoarder.
We’re not hoarders were collectors! Well a collector is just a hoarder but a well organized order. Sometimes with a clean house. Yeah Al had such a great price on these right?
I’ve done the same as you two. Bought most of the Bachmann G gauge logging engines when they were new and relatively inexpensive, and packed them away for future use. Sure glad I have a Heisler as that one in particular I could never afford at today’s prices. My only regret is that I did not buy the 2-6-6-2. That one is crazy expensive now. I have the two truck Shay, three truck Shay, Heisler, Climax and the 44 ton diesel with side rods. I just hope I have not stored them so long I have trouble waking them up when the time comes!
Those beams that cross front one truck side frame to the other are call brake beams. The brakes were pulled by rods from the center of the truck and they used I-beams to transmit that pulling force to the brake shoes. there are also small tie plates that connect the side frames across from one side to the other, they run along the bottom of each brake beam and they are just flat steel bars that are bent around in square loops.
My favorite locomotive. It's the one that got me fascinated with railfanning. Road on one several times at dry gulch junction near wytheville as a child
We love them. Shays of all sizes. Really love the little ones. And the T boiler. Thanks
Never find your videos boring. Always informative.
Hi. Thanks. Been working on a locomotive shop for a few days. Upcoming show. Probably
Those aspens are awesome. You can’t tell where the trees stop and the back drop begins. Beautiful engine. I am envious. Never boring. Waiting for your next episode.
Hi. I need to respond to more comments! Been nuts here. Any hi! And thanks!!
@@ToyManTelevision It is okay. No issues with me. Just keep bringing your toys out and showing them to us.
That is a beautiful engine. Seeing these models helps you appreciate the design and engineering that went into the real units. On one hand they are rather simple but when you look a little deeper these engines are complex in design and in manafacturing technology.
Thanks for sharing this with us.
There’s a lot of engineering going on here! And forms inspiration for other geared engines. But the king of them is always the shay.
That’s a beauty! Can’t wait for the logging railroad to be finished!👍✌️😊🙏🏼🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Us too!! Still waiting for rail. So working on the single stall engine house. Mostly finished the long wall today. Mostly. Tomorrow the foundation and end walls with the locomotive doors.
Great locomotive! Thats a big one! Runs awesome! Love seeing your engines being brought back out and running! Keep up the good work! Take care!
Hi!! Soon be running on the actual logging railroad
@@ToyManTelevision Yep!
How great you're now enjoying the long-stored engine. Good stuff!
Thanks 🙏
The standpipe to the tender is attached to an ejector. The opposite of an INjector. The Willamette we have at my historical museum has that set up. It allows the crew to fill the water tender from a stream or other handy body of water.
I thought it might be something like that but I wasn’t quite sure. I know that because she locomotives have that big fill tube mounted to the side that can be dumped into a creek so I guess that’s the way that works! Thank you
The casting has a steam line attached and the nozzle is pointed at the loco or the direction the water is wanted to go and the steam turned on. The whole thing works like a syphon which some people call it. The Reader RR had one on each loco. The casting has a sort of heart shape with the steam nozzle inserted into the combining area. Shays were always noted for not much short of derailment would stop one. The Greenbrier Cheat & Elk(Mower Lumber Co.) added a 4th truck under a 3-truck Shay using mostly new parts already on hand in the shop while adding onto the tender frame and tank making the machine about 212 tons.(I think). There were very few 4-truck Shays. The Western Maryland No. 6 was the last Shay Lima built and the largest.
Wow! What a beautiful locomotive. I have to see that one some more.
We’re off looking for rail today, and soon should be running this engines on the proper railroad
Love it ... I have a roundhouse kit 3truck shay that I picked up in Canada in 1986 ... It runs well . Going to have a dual setup throw switch for doc and dcc on the same track 👀👀👀👀👍👍👍
Roundhouse kits are tricky to get just right. But love em.
There are many ‘break downs’ of the SHAY trucks. The lower square frame actually supports many parts that is part of the ‘truck’ itself. Go to your favorite website and look up the SHAY truck components and your answer will be found. Take care! 👽
Thanks!!!!
I love seeing your logging engines. These are wonderful locomotives and some of my favorite. Thanks for posting
Hi! Nice to hear from here from you again. I sure love these login engines. And of course Karyn is a caboose fan and really should build us one for this railroad!
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That's a beautiful shay.
Yup!!!
Absolutely beautiful 👌
Right? Now for a bit of paint.
@@ToyManTelevision Bingo!
She's a beauty! I really love Shay engines.
And a good runner!
What a gorgeous engine and a smooth runner, too. Bachmann sometimes really pulls through.
Yup!
loved this video. "But im not a for-profit railroad" Im the same, plenty of engines but little to no rolling stock.
What is it about we people who love locomotives more than anything else?
I agree, that is my favorite engine. Love your videos. Happy Valentine's Day! 🌺💗
My guess as far as that guard would be to keep things from getting caught up in the gears
Nice I love Shay locomotives
Very cool, now I have to start looking for a 3 truck shay. To go with my 2 truck shay. As always your videos are GREAT!
My favorite are the tiny T boilers. But man this giant three truck Shays are amazing and they run so well
Lovely engine !
Right? And runs like a clock 🕰.
I think that frame around the bottom of the trucks is the bottom support for the gear mounts. That is what it appears to be even when looking at full size photos online.
I completely agree. They also support the break mechanism which has been pointed out, put the torsion across those gears when pulling a grade must be incredible! I could easily twist the bearings completely free of the trucks if not properly supported.
I have the exact same shay because I was putting Airwire and Phoenix in it, and I have run the wheels off it!
I would love to have that on our locomotives.
Just picked up a Microtrains N Scale Salt Lake Garfield and Western tank car . Reminded me of you two! Keep the videos coming.
They are around! Love it!
That Is Awesome I so love shay locomotives. It ran so well just being pulled from the box and sitting so long. I so love your videos. You guys stay warm I know it cold there. My On30 need more rolling stock also.
It’s so easy to just buy locomotives and love them! Sometimes forget that what we’re building there’s an actual real wrote that requires rolling stock
Nice Collection of G Scale Logging Engines. We have the G Scale 2 Truck Shay we used to run on our outdoor Railroad. And we do have 2 O Scale Shays, a Heilser and a Climax we run on our O Scale Layout all the time. You can see them on Jebbs Trains youtube channel.
Will look for it.
Some fun stuff there!!
"Isn't that a Christmas song?" Big smiles.
Yup. Sort of..
Wow, I never new that All in Vegas was offering them cheaper than other outlets as I picked mine up from him about 6 years ago. Same model as yours the unlettered one and that was £350 + about £40 postage to Scotland. Its a super model and I look forward to you logging line.
Yeah he was just really closing those out. I feel lucky to have gotten one.
The logging layout s looking good.
Thanks!!
I think the bottom braces going from side to side are to help keep the drive gears meshed well in the crown gears otherwise they would be inclined to eventually spread. One thing to note when putting the truck shafts together is to keep the yokes 90 degrees rotated like on your loco as they are on the prototypes to help stop mechanical oscillation issues.
Yup. As I understand it from posts here that’s exactly it. Makes sense.thanks!!
That pipe you are curious about is for filling the water tank when there is no water tower or spout. What happens is the shay stopes at a water sorce like a river, pond or in your case creek and dropes a hose into the water. Then a steam powered water pump pumps the water out of the house throu the strange pipe on the locomotive into the tank. I road on the Cass Scenic Railroad and watch them do that from a tank in the ground. Also the space behind the cab is strictly for the fual for the fire.
Yep! Now I know how that system works. But I’m pretty sure there is a water tank surround in the fuel tank behind the cab, mostly there for traction. When we were riding the big trees Railroad they had to stop before Climbin the 8% grade to shift water from one tank to the other to make sure they had proper weight over all the wheels.
For such large engines, once they are connected up, they should go into a ROLL ON - ROLL OFF type of engine carrier so that one does not need to fiddle with wires, king posts, or drive lines every time you want to take it our for a run. Thank you for your fine videos.
Yup. Saw a great system on a guys railroad in St George. May try it.
The Emerald Pacific Railroad has the exact same engine. Such a great looking model
One on the Big Trees. Love em.
Thank you for showing the Shay to us. I love the moving eccentrics and cranks.
As a logging railway, why would you need a caboose? Not much paperwork to do, brakemen can ride on the load or in the cab.
They always have those little tiny rock ‘n’ roll cabins at the back. Not so much for doing paperwork but you do have to have some crew at the back of the train, and I would imagine but there comes a time when everybody just needs to take a nap when they’re working a 20 hour a day
Nice video also I like your shay locomotive
Thanks
You’re welcome toy man
This Shay looks almost exactly like Westside lumber #7 because of its open cab
Nice!
3 truck Shay's could pull 19 loads up 4% grade...very great tractive effort!
That is a beautiful engine, I have the same one in HO scale.
I love the tiny shows the best but these great big monsters are also cool beyond all belief
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Hi Jim. Right?? Huge and fun!!!!
Your shay is awesome! Wondering if you looked at my comment about camp six logging in Washington state? Nice to see the shay running so smoothly right out of the box. I am only guessing the framing on the wheels might be to keep the wheels true/aligned? When you were sifting dirt on Sunday I thought of a scene you might add with some prospectors out panning for gold. Easy to get fools gold. Maybe Karyn would have fun with that. Have a great week and see you Sunday!!! Jim
Hi! Camp six…… I seem to remember it but my mind is often mush. I do seem to remember looking at that. We really want to get back up into that area and go to some of the logging museums and so on. Now I need to Google Camp six… But I’m pretty sure I looked at that. Just drawing a blank which is pretty common for me
Hi!! Just checking on Google and yes indeed looked at over! It’s right near some other museums that we want to see in that area. When this miserable pandemic is over. Also really really interested in the Rayonier museum
They had 4 classes of shays so i imagine as the weight increased the trucks would need to b modified to support the weight. It also makes sense that an owner may order a shay with "non-standard" truck. Loco were custom built to order in those days. Also with the various upgrades that willamet came up with, the trucks could be one. Perhaps a retrofit. Or maybe bachmann just screwed up(plausible). Who knows
Yeah the trucks look accurate but the early ones have bad gears. The later trucks as on this locomotive are great
3:32 Braces? They usually hold up gentlemen's trousers in Great Britain! : ) In all seriousness, it looks like they hold the bottom of the drive shaft bearings.
Yes! And hold up failing trousers
you two are a comedy act in itself soo funny awesome train like 99.9% of your vids best wishes on the logging great idea love it
Thanks!!!!!! More on the layout but hope to ride some trains again soon too!!
I wish I had a shay it’s my favorite locomotive
Bag one!!! Get a great one.
Thanks also it’s a honor for you to read and comment on my comment :)
It should have the die-cast metal trucks. The only bad part of these engines, I found, is the track pickup rollers.
That Shay is a wonderful looking and operating loco, impressive. Will it have a DCC sound blaster for the whistle?
Plan anyway. I have all the parts. Need to put it in.
Really appreciate your videos. I came across Joe Crea's Gn3 mining diorama which was the beginning of his mining layout. It occurred to me that one of these shays or a 2 truck version might work really well for a similar layout. Any idea what the minimum turning radius is? Or what would it take to convert a On30 Bachman shay to Gn??? scale?
I’ve taken mine through a 36” radius. But over a short distance. Hope that works as I have a 6 foot horseshoe cure on the plan. The little ones can do it. Hopefully this can too
@@ToyManTelevision Thanks for the answer. I have always wanted to do a doll house or better yet a small town, 6 or so buildings. Adding trains to it would be a lot of fun.
Hope some day to see one or both of those shays creeping through that curve.
Ya'll need to move to NE Atlanta so we can play wih trains and old Toys. Less snow.....really less snow once every 7 years or somthing like that
That is gorgeous and I too am a locomotive guy and totally know what you mean about buying more locos than rolling stock Lol!
Yea... well it is way it is I guess.
what couplers do you run with ? Love your channel !!
Now there is a great question! I was planning to use the Acucraft ones. But now I’m leaning toward Bachmann because they work better even though they don’t look as nice. But boy I like those Acucraft ones but they tend to hang up
@@ToyManTelevision I have a small switching layout and just converted to Kadee, they work so much better than Bachman . for me.
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Well the snow came here finally. Snowed like crazy last night and this morning it all blew away. Massive windstorm. So no snow on the lawn but snow drifts everywhere. So the long missing winter and just arrived
Nice engine.
I have the same issue: too much locomotives, and not a lot to put behind, and not even a lot of track to "stretch" the wheels!
We just love locomotives oil guess!
Could be the extra frames on the wheels are to help keep weeds, and tall grasses, out of the gears.
Weeds wouldn't do much to the gears, but a stray fallen tree or branch could easily jam things up.
Dale are all the trucks powered, that might explain its pulling power?
Yes! All six axle powered and picking up electricity. So we can walk over just about anything.
Bracing for the break rigging? That's all I got.
I’m now thinking it’s there mostly to stabilize the wheel bearings which support the gears. The torsion across those bearings must be incredible and if they’re not properly supported it would simply twist. The chaise on the big tree is railroad routinely pull the 8% grade. Wow!! Pulling in a long passenger train. OK every once in a while they need to back up and try again but they always make it at some point.
That's really neat!, what kind of oil do you use? Thank you guys for the great work 👍.
It’s hard to find but I’ve always preferred the label’s white grease. It’s a Teflon grease and it works great on all kinds of plastic gears without damaging them. I wonder in fact if some of the gear problems that people have come from using petroleum based lubricants on their gears.
@@ToyManTelevision thanks for your info 👍. Love your videos!
Hi guys. Did you get the email I sent you a few weeks ago? I sent some photos of a shay that was used on a bush logging tramway near Toowoomba Queensland Australia. You're both looking well, loving the layout too.
Hi. No missed it! I have such a hard time with email but I’ll look for it. I get 300 pieces of email a day and I just can’t manage it. Really sucks. But I’ll look for it thanks!
I have pulled 48 cars on level, but not straight, track with mine.
Wow!! And I have avoided put in any grades at all anywhere on this rail road. Not that I’m objecting to grades but I’ve had so many problems with them in previous railroads and I just thought you know if this time I’m going to keep the lying flat
I think that the bars are for to brotect the bottom well shipping?
It seems that they’re there to support the wheel bearings and gears. That’s what people are posting anyway
You two need a WestSide Lumber caboose #4
I’m thinking to scratch build one
@@ToyManTelevision awesome. I know a guy building one right now. It’s turning out pretty cool.
I believe that so called cow catcher was so the locomotive would not get damaged if it was running threw grassy track and a log was unknowingly on the tracks, or if a tree fell in front of the locomotive and it couldn't stop the frame wound get damages
It seems that was actually to support the bearings and keep the gears in proper mesh. Judging from what people are saying here
@@ToyManTelevision wait way you talking about in between the tender and the shay or the front and end because that's what I'm talking about
@@hamiltonsullivan6563 hi. Originally I was wondering about the bars at each end of the wheel trucks. It seems they are braces to keep the bearings from twisting under load.
@@ToyManTelevision o I understand now
Depending on the age , that is if it was made about the same time as the First Production Run as the 2 Truck Shay , I would take a good hard look at the Mane Gear , if it's a Dark Gold color , it's the PoC alloy that was used in the first production 2 Truck Shay that was the main problem and fault of the first production run .
The Water Psiphon is a feed line the engine or at least the Reservoir in the engine .
You had the right description but you had it backwards it doesn't put water into the Third section it removes it from the section the hatch on top is where the water goes in and you misspoke about oil change you had that right at first but then you said water also went into that and it doesn't
As far as the framework around the trucks I don't know what it's for I got one that's HO scale it has the same framework around the trucks why again I don't know .
Making not of that and when I’m lubing the gears I’ll look. Thanks! And thanks for the information on the siphon
I'm doing a price list on my most expencivelocomotives right now, and I can't find a price of even a listing for a bachmann GO unpainted shay. How much do you think it's would be going for?
Call Al Collins in Las Vegas sold me mine for around $250? As I recall. He had a whole bunch of them you might look for him on eBay. Call himself ana.Kramer
@@ToyManTelevision no thanks I was just wondering how much there worth. Because I got 2 at a garage sale back in fall
You only have enough locomotives after you buy the next one.. :)
And that only lasts for a few minutes
whoa what kind of tree is that at the 30 second mark in the vid ps lub chore vids
A good friend in Sacramento sent us boxes of them. Branches off of a bush in his yard. No idea what it’s called.
Be careful - - You might want me to give up "S" in favor of 20.3!
I love the models but it is so hard to build a railroad in the scale. It takes about 15 feet just to turn around and go back the other way
No caboose! WHAT!!! BOBBER IS NEEDED ASAP! Reporting mark could be Toyman and Pacific. Or Not Boring and Southern. Or Screwing Around and Northern.
Got to scratch one SOON.
Is it strange that I treat my steam engines like royalty, and my desiels like scrap?
Nope steam is king and diesels are not the best so bye diesels 👍🙂