Great engine. I love anything steam. I love modeling logging and mining areas. I am modeling the Colorado Midland Terminal, Florence and Cripple Creek and the Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek District in Ho and Hon3. It is of old Colorado City to Cripple Creek through Ute Pass and back to old Colorado City by the Gold Camp road route. The Florence and Cripple Creek goes to Florence and Canon City Colorado. All around Pikes Peak and lots of canyons and creeks to make. My grandfather worked on the Colorado Midland and is where the train bug got me. Keep up the good work and great videos.
GREAT VIDEO AWESOME INFORMATION AND COMMENTS VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE THANK YOU BOTH AGAIN FOR YOUR VIDEO AND ADVICE ON HOW TO ENJOY THE TRAIN. AWESOME GOOD VIDEO THANK YOU BOTH I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH AND YOUR COLLECTION ITS BEAUTIFUL AND GORGEOUS LOCOMOTIVES.I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOUR COLLECTION AND YOUR LOGGING SCENE. JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👍😷😷😷🚂🚂🚂😁👌
Liked all of the locomotives in this series I have several Bachman shays in HO the detail is surprising on them I on a Visit to Cass scenic state park (you guys need to go there !) they had a shay with their lettering in the gift shop so I bought it . One day I will get all of them out and photo them .
If you ever get to the Black Hills of South Dakota, You need to ride the 1880 train, they have 2 mallets, the 110 and the 108... Beautiful locomotives.
The pipes from the smoke box are high pressure steam lines. They come from the super heater manifold inside the smoke box to the high pressure cylinders in the rear engine set. The exhaust from the high pressure cylinders is low pressure, and is reused in low pressure cylinders in the front engine set.
You have such good toys! This one was neat. However I like all of the logging engines with all of the moving parts. Way to neat. I am looking for a cab forward 8494. Saw that in Sacramento at the rail road museum. 8494 is the last one that exists isn't it? Never boring. Till the weekend. (Who is the troll that gives you the thumbs down?)
Ah yes, save the best until last. I believe that this particular locomotive is a reproduction of Weyerhaeuser No. 109 or maybe No. 107 or No.110. It could be originally from one of the other west coast logging roads, my memory of all the super detailed info is rather faded now. I still think it is No,109 though. Strange, I thought all of these engines were oil fired. I am envious, because this is my favorite locomotive of them all. Great video, I will look forward to seeing it on your completed railroad, soon I hope. Please correct me If I'm mistaken. No. 108 and 110 now live at the Black Hills tourist Railroad. Going there is on my bucket list. ;-)
Driver I used to fire for on Puffing Billy would ask to be let into the road at the middle station with the water crane so he could take water before going up the mile of grade. Reason, he wanted the additional weight in the side tanks for traction.
One note about the double expansion engine. I don't think the problem was due to bad thermo principals like Dale suggested-the most common engine of merchant steamers for decades was a triple expansion engine. I think the problems lay in 1) the valve timing and 2) getting the primary exhaust steam to the 2ndary input with flexible fittings. The 1st & 2nd stage pistons need to be synchronized with each other, not just with their own valve gear. The 2-stage air pump works on the same principle, only in reverse (work consumer as opposed to work producer)
I got one of these in little river logging lettering, need more stuff to tow with it, i had 4 of the matching box cars, but sadly i lost those. PS: You forgot to mention the flickering light in the cabin from the fire box
I have added ropes to the whistles and bells on all of my Bachmann engines, to keep them looking prototypical like the real ones. I was able to find some white metal cast boiler hatches that open like the real ones Then I added orange lights inside of the boilers that blink
Super!!!’ I’m testing an idea to improve the brass (plastic) whistles and bells of some of the better Bachmann locomotives. Like the C19. Beautiful looking locomotive but the plastic brass is awful. So working on a fix..
Just a thought! If you want a specific name on your engine but don't want to repaint the others you could say they were bought second hand and management felt it was a waste of money to repaint them just to change the name. They need them in service now! Wait till they need maintenance to repaint the name!
I agree, mallets are neat locomotives and that is your smoothest running engine! I wish Bachmann built it in HO scale! I know they done other versions, but logging no
Mantua did this engine in HO. I have one on my shelf as I type. Lovely engine - I am told the early runs are better than the later ones. They apparently switched to cheaper plastic when Model Power took over and the later ones have a bad habit of shedding their wheels.
Something you could do if you want more log cars is to use flat cars. I use regular flat cars for my logging trains. I also go into the woods to get real wood for the log cars. I also build logging cars out of trees and put store bought wheel trucks so they will run on the tracks. Thanks for showing us these beautiful logging locomotives. I really enjoyed it!!!!
The thermodynamics of waste heat recovery is not so easy as you pointed out. Most of the energy has already be used. These things must of had high pressure boilers to enable them to use the waste heat. Interesting! Liked your point about the bells and whistles why be cheap there.
Can you show some video of your eureka and palisade number 4 running in the Colorado switching yard. Eureka is my favorite locomotive and I’d love to see your model of her.
The reason the front cylinders are bigger is because of the continued expansion of the steam. The reason they quit using exhaust steam on the front cylinders on mainline locomotives is because at high speeds they beat the crap out the rails
I just got my oval for the short line oval on the HO scale level of my layout glued down and wired and got it running, and I've started on the mountain in one corner of it where I'm going to have an N scale level that's going to be another part of the shortline railroad and I'm making it where it's main customer that the railroad serves is a sawmill and lumber yard
I'm surprised that you didn't mention BHCRR (Black Hills Central Railroad) 110, or 108. Both are operational 2-6-6-2T's outa Hill City, SD, on a former dual guage CB&Q branch to Keystone, SD.
Always thought it was backwards to have plastic models (airplanes etc) come with decals and train loco & cars come already numbered. Especially with DCC, you need to have each loco a different number whereas people don't normally build multiple airplanes of the same type that need different numbers.
While I agree with you about mis-information on Mallets, you added some of your own. The N&W Y class Mallets were very successful and featured the ability to feed live steam to all cylinders for more starting power. They usually shifted back around 10 mph for more efficient operation.
That was the N&Ws idea as a booster instead of a cranked axel on the tender and extra cylinders when I fist heard that term I never thought they had a boosted tender found out reading up on them .
Loved watching the series. Thank you so much for this overview. 😍😍😍 And I understand the running efficiency to consider for your layout for each of your engines you have on hand. But.... 🧐 Personally, I still prefer the Climax locomotives. Simply because one can see the valve gear working on the side, and I liked the inclined look with the cylinders. And because.... well.... I am biased and simply like Climax. Because that is just me. 😎
I saw a standard gauge version of this at the Black Hills Central Railroad - What really fascinated me, besides the interuban coaches it was pulling, was that it was a true Mallet and only the front engine could be heard chugging. They actually had that exact model on display lettered as their 110, the detail is incredible for a ready to run engine. Would you consider having that one run with the Uintah locomotive on the logging railroad, IE the two of them pass through the woods?
They would be huge in O. These were all narrow gauge engines so the locomotive would be a lot bigger than regular O scale so that they would be proportional to the track.
Nice model. I still do not understand why the low pressure cylinder in front. I would think the whole engine would work better with two high-pressure cylinders. What was more important - efficiency or power?
It is better to have the high pressure steam go to all four cylinders, like a Big Boy or Challenger, but this is more economical, and slower, but you still get the freight where it is going. 💙 T.E.N.
The ex-Uintah locomotives ended up having concrete put into the water tanks to get the tractive effort back into them. Eventually both would end up losing the tanks before heading to Alaska along with the 2 tenders from the 2 mikados (19 & 20)
The Uintah locos went to Guatemala before being shipped back. Pieces of rail were attached to the running boards for weight after the tanks were removed.
Good morning, beautiful engine! The coal box is so small for a big engine! Would it be stoker fed or work the fireman to death (lol). Thanks for the history!!! Be safe and see you next week.
I believe that engine was hand fired; it is 3-ft gauge. I am sure it was converted to oil for use in the woods. This type of loco would be used to haul the logs to the mill and empties back at about twice the speed of a geared loco.
ONE problem the saddle tank engines had that was VERY known and not liked..... the tanks weighed a LOT with them full of water, but ANYONE that knows ANYTHING about steam locomotives, knows those boilers require A LOT of water! Whats this mean? WELL as the boiler consumes the water turns it into steam the weight those tanks gave that engine for tractive power LESSONS very rapidly.... SO, whats THAT mean? As the engine works harder, it consumes more water and the weight of the tanks drops as the engine works harder, and this traction effort (steam power) decreases rapidly, which actually harms the performance of the tank locomotive, no matter what type of tank engine it is, this was its con..... The one pro to them was the fact they had no tender, which made them shorter, and self contained..... needing less track space in a roundhouse or engine house, the repair shops didn't have to worry about the tender needing repairs as there was none to them, and so everything was in one place...
Hi. Yes on the Sumter Valley they took the tanks off on one of the UNITA locomotives and added tenders to both as they needed the range. But they found the locomotive didn’t work well so on the other they left the tanks in place filled with water just for ballast. On the early UP turbines they had the same problem. As the huge fuel tank drained they lost traction. Moreover they had no range. So they added oil tenders. But few people know they took the original fuel tanks off and replaced them with lead sheets. For traction.
A beautiful 2-6+6-2 Sierra steam locomotive with tender. 💙 T.E.N.
...and it got a washup with Dale drooling all over it. Very beautiful engine.
Great engine. I love anything steam. I love modeling logging and mining areas. I am modeling the Colorado Midland Terminal, Florence and Cripple Creek and the Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek District in Ho and Hon3. It is of old Colorado City to Cripple Creek through Ute Pass and back to old Colorado City by the Gold Camp road route. The Florence and Cripple Creek goes to Florence and Canon City Colorado. All around Pikes Peak and lots of canyons and creeks to make. My grandfather worked on the Colorado Midland and is where the train bug got me. Keep up the good work and great videos.
GREAT VIDEO AWESOME INFORMATION AND COMMENTS VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE THANK YOU BOTH AGAIN FOR YOUR VIDEO AND ADVICE ON HOW TO ENJOY THE TRAIN. AWESOME GOOD VIDEO THANK YOU BOTH I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH AND YOUR COLLECTION ITS BEAUTIFUL AND GORGEOUS LOCOMOTIVES.I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOUR COLLECTION AND YOUR LOGGING SCENE. JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👍😷😷😷🚂🚂🚂😁👌
Liked all of the locomotives in this series I have several Bachman shays in HO the detail is surprising on them I on a Visit to Cass scenic state park (you guys need to go there !) they had a shay with their lettering in the gift shop so I bought it . One day I will get all of them out and photo them .
I really love mallet steam locomotives
If you ever get to the Black Hills of South Dakota, You need to ride the 1880 train, they have 2 mallets, the 110 and the 108... Beautiful locomotives.
Nice 2-6-6-2 Mallet.
A very sweet looking engine...👍🏻
The pipes from the smoke box are high pressure steam lines. They come from the super heater manifold inside the smoke box to the high pressure cylinders in the rear engine set. The exhaust from the high pressure cylinders is low pressure, and is reused in low pressure cylinders in the front engine set.
You have such good toys! This one was neat. However I like all of the logging engines with all of the moving parts. Way to neat. I am looking for a cab forward 8494. Saw that in Sacramento at the rail road museum. 8494 is the last one that exists isn't it? Never boring. Till the weekend. (Who is the troll that gives you the thumbs down?)
Great locomotive. In North Dakota, there are a couple engines like this one that sometimes run the train on the Black Hills Scenic Railroad
You mean South Dakota?
Great looking engine
Very cool engine
Ah yes, save the best until last.
I believe that this particular locomotive is a reproduction of Weyerhaeuser No. 109 or maybe No. 107 or No.110. It could be originally from one of the other west coast logging roads, my memory of all the super detailed info is rather faded now. I still think it is No,109 though. Strange, I thought all of these engines were oil fired. I am envious, because this is my favorite locomotive of them all.
Great video, I will look forward to seeing it on your completed railroad, soon I hope. Please correct me If I'm mistaken.
No. 108 and 110 now live at the Black Hills tourist Railroad. Going there is on my bucket list. ;-)
I like Mallet, I find them a lot more beautiful than Garrat. An Orenstein & Koppel Mallet for narrow gauge is on my list of things to do.
Driver I used to fire for on Puffing Billy would ask to be let into the road at the middle station with the water crane so he could take water before going up the mile of grade. Reason, he wanted the additional weight in the side tanks for traction.
Thx again.
One note about the double expansion engine. I don't think the problem was due to bad thermo principals like Dale suggested-the most common engine of merchant steamers for decades was a triple expansion engine. I think the problems lay in 1) the valve timing and 2) getting the primary exhaust steam to the 2ndary input with flexible fittings.
The 1st & 2nd stage pistons need to be synchronized with each other, not just with their own valve gear.
The 2-stage air pump works on the same principle, only in reverse (work consumer as opposed to work producer)
Logging railroad is the best kinda railroading
I got one of these in little river logging lettering, need more stuff to tow with it, i had 4 of the matching box cars, but sadly i lost those.
PS: You forgot to mention the flickering light in the cabin from the fire box
I have added ropes to the whistles and bells on all of my Bachmann engines, to keep them looking prototypical like the real ones. I was able to find some white metal cast boiler hatches that open like the real ones
Then I added orange lights inside of the boilers that blink
Continuing with my comment, the orange lights stayed on and yellow lights blinked simulating the glow of the fire within.
Super!!!’ I’m testing an idea to improve the brass (plastic) whistles and bells of some of the better Bachmann locomotives. Like the C19. Beautiful looking locomotive but the plastic brass is awful. So working on a fix..
Just a thought! If you want a specific name on your engine but don't want to repaint the others you could say they were bought second hand and management felt it was a waste of money to repaint them just to change the name. They need them in service now! Wait till they need maintenance to repaint the name!
I agree, mallets are neat locomotives and that is your smoothest running engine! I wish Bachmann built it in HO scale! I know they done other versions, but logging no
Mantua did this engine in HO. I have one on my shelf as I type. Lovely engine - I am told the early runs are better than the later ones. They apparently switched to cheaper plastic when Model Power took over and the later ones have a bad habit of shedding their wheels.
They also make even more detailed ho ones from BRASSTRAINS
Something you could do if you want more log cars is to use flat cars. I use regular flat cars for my logging trains. I also go into the woods to get real wood for the log cars. I also build logging cars out of trees and put store bought wheel trucks so they will run on the tracks. Thanks for showing us these beautiful logging locomotives. I really enjoyed it!!!!
Go with the West side Lumber name. It is more in line with your thoughts.
" Holding down the coffee table" LOL Another great video. Thanks!
yea i though so, but i just wanted to make sure. LOL scariest thing for a big boy fan to see is 2-8-8-8-2 to bad they where all scaped
Really. But huge is cool. And big boy is the winner. All others gone..
The thermodynamics of waste heat recovery is not so easy as you pointed out. Most of the energy has already be used. These things must of had high pressure boilers to enable them to use the waste heat. Interesting! Liked your point about the bells and whistles why be cheap there.
Can you show some video of your eureka and palisade number 4 running in the Colorado switching yard. Eureka is my favorite locomotive and I’d love to see your model of her.
That railroad is going to be beautiful! Such a wide verity of equipment. Can’t wait👍✌️😊🙏🏼🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Good looking locomotive! Interesting history too.
Thanks 🙏
You need to get an Accucraft NGG16 Garratt... Or a Ffestiniog Fairlie. 😉👍
Be fun! The Garret especially
Great video, I was wondering would you have a manual for the 2662,as I don't, and don't know where the lubrication points are please
Didn't know you were a gearhead! Thanks for describing your logging engines. It was a great tour. 👍
Great info. Great detail in the description of the engine.
In Flagstaff AZ there's a mallet north of town ...but not a tank.
glad to see u made a full recovery and resuming ur uploading duties looking foward to see ur trains!
The reason the front cylinders are bigger is because of the continued expansion of the steam. The reason they quit using exhaust steam on the front cylinders on mainline locomotives is because at high speeds they beat the crap out the rails
Yup. Okay helpers. But regular articulated is so much better. So use more fuel. Not worth the haste.
That is a really pretty engine. You have some really nice engines. They will look great on your layout.
Nice engine, love the articulates, this summers purchase for the garden layout will be a 2 6 6 6 Verginian to haul coal out of the Caseyville mines...
I just got my oval for the short line oval on the HO scale level of my layout glued down and wired and got it running, and I've started on the mountain in one corner of it where I'm going to have an N scale level that's going to be another part of the shortline railroad and I'm making it where it's main customer that the railroad serves is a sawmill and lumber yard
I'm surprised that you didn't mention BHCRR (Black Hills Central Railroad) 110, or 108. Both are operational 2-6-6-2T's outa Hill City, SD, on a former dual guage CB&Q branch to Keystone, SD.
was just there yesterday, sadly they are closed but #7 is still outside
Always thought it was backwards to have plastic models (airplanes etc) come with decals and train loco & cars come already numbered. Especially with DCC, you need to have each loco a different number whereas people don't normally build multiple airplanes of the same type that need different numbers.
We enjoyed your 5 Part Series on your Logging Locomotives. Cant wait to see them running on your tracks when you get it done. Matt and Jebb
While I agree with you about mis-information on Mallets, you added some of your own. The N&W Y class Mallets were very successful and featured the ability to feed live steam to all cylinders for more starting power. They usually shifted back around 10 mph for more efficient operation.
That was the N&Ws idea as a booster instead of a cranked axel on the tender and extra cylinders when I fist heard that term I never thought they had a boosted tender found out reading up on them .
Loved watching the series. Thank you so much for this overview. 😍😍😍
And I understand the running efficiency to consider for your layout for each of your engines you have on hand.
But.... 🧐
Personally, I still prefer the Climax locomotives. Simply because one can see the valve gear working on the side, and I liked the inclined look with the cylinders. And because.... well.... I am biased and simply like Climax. Because that is just me. 😎
I really like these logging mallet'. Keepin my eye out for a few ho scale ones by mantua
What did you find under "The Hatch"(steam domes)?
Cool Video I have a similar engine in HO scale but it has side tanks instead of the saddle tanks.
I saw a standard gauge version of this at the Black Hills Central Railroad - What really fascinated me, besides the interuban coaches it was pulling, was that it was a true Mallet and only the front engine could be heard chugging. They actually had that exact model on display lettered as their 110, the detail is incredible for a ready to run engine.
Would you consider having that one run with the Uintah locomotive on the logging railroad, IE the two of them pass through the woods?
I love the Uintah Railroad. I wonder if they made those in O-gauge.
they should
They would be huge in O. These were all narrow gauge engines so the locomotive would be a lot bigger than regular O scale so that they would be proportional to the track.
I’ll bet they did... brass for sure. Have you seen the 2 1/2 inch scale one on the channel? Search for worlds largest backyard Railroad.
@@ToyManTelevision yeah.
👍
Nice model. I still do not understand why the low pressure cylinder in front. I would think the whole engine would work better with two high-pressure cylinders. What was more important - efficiency or power?
The exhaust steam from the high pressure cylinders is reused in the low pressure cylinders.
It is better to have the high pressure steam go to all four cylinders, like a Big Boy or Challenger, but this is more economical, and slower, but you still get the freight where it is going. 💙 T.E.N.
The ex-Uintah locomotives ended up having concrete put into the water tanks to get the tractive effort back into them. Eventually both would end up losing the tanks before heading to Alaska along with the 2 tenders from the 2 mikados (19 & 20)
The Uintah locos went to Guatemala before being shipped back. Pieces of rail were attached to the running boards for weight after the tanks were removed.
Bigger pistons in the front should be near the same power. Less pressure but more volume.
DCC to be added?
Good morning, beautiful engine! The coal box is so small for a big engine! Would it be stoker fed or work the fireman to death (lol). Thanks for the history!!! Be safe and see you next week.
I believe that engine was hand fired; it is 3-ft gauge. I am sure it was converted to oil for use in the woods. This type of loco would be used to haul the logs to the mill and empties back at about twice the speed of a geared loco.
That almost looks like black hills 110 except for the paint
At the 9:16 mark I noticed that you have a nitro model airplane engine. Do you collect those too?
Bagged that years ago. Just thought it looked cool!!
man i really want one of those! too bad Bachmann doesn't make them anymore :(
yea they are pretty badass
You can get one second hand, but they are more expensive
where do you buy the brass replacements for the valves etc please?????
Gee. Sorry. No idea... Bachmann?
cool locomotive! do you know if the Tri Plex was a mallet?
Yes both of them were, as I remember, Both Erie and Virgenian.
How much can i expect to pay please????
Toy Man, I'm curious: are these also known for their gear problems like the outside frame 2-8-0 models, or are these known for being strong runners?
Idk
I will help u tho
But does it spin its rear gearing?
@@bentimberprod all fixed. I put in new axles in both Connie’s.
ONE problem the saddle tank engines had that was VERY known and not liked..... the tanks weighed a LOT with them full of water, but ANYONE that knows ANYTHING about steam locomotives, knows those boilers require A LOT of water! Whats this mean? WELL as the boiler consumes the water turns it into steam the weight those tanks gave that engine for tractive power LESSONS very rapidly.... SO, whats THAT mean? As the engine works harder, it consumes more water and the weight of the tanks drops as the engine works harder, and this traction effort (steam power) decreases rapidly, which actually harms the performance of the tank locomotive, no matter what type of tank engine it is, this was its con..... The one pro to them was the fact they had no tender, which made them shorter, and self contained..... needing less track space in a roundhouse or engine house, the repair shops didn't have to worry about the tender needing repairs as there was none to them, and so everything was in one place...
Hi. Yes on the Sumter Valley they took the tanks off on one of the UNITA locomotives and added tenders to both as they needed the range. But they found the locomotive didn’t work well so on the other they left the tanks in place filled with water just for ballast. On the early UP turbines they had the same problem. As the huge fuel tank drained they lost traction. Moreover they had no range. So they added oil tenders. But few people know they took the original fuel tanks off and replaced them with lead sheets. For traction.
Uintah Railway. 💙 T.E.N.
I was the one dislike....just kidding.