The first soldier that got killed in the Yugoslavian wars was a Macedonian. Without all of the states in the Federation, Macedonia didn't wanted to be part of "Serboslavia" as one polititian called it. Also, interesting that you mentioned the 2001 armed conflict, as all of the western countries, USA included (which were also involved in it) refuse to let the people know about it.
@@MisterJovke Actually, the number of Albanians in Macedonia increased only when they become refugees from Kosovo. Macedonia was forced by the west to accept them and they decided not to leave. And when they decided to work in wester countries, they still kept the documents with double citizenship. The problem when their wives give birth to 16 children didn't made the things easyer as most of them later did not had legal jobs.
Good video, just to add few things. Yugoslav army wasn’t ready to fight on another front. They also fear that Macedonia might get backed up by Bulgaria, So Milosevic and Gligorov negotiated peaceful solution but Macedonia had to agree to hand over entire weaponry that was on Macedonian territory which was very sizable even in today’s comparison. Also low key Belgrade hopes were Macedonia would not be able to establish itself as a sovereign country and will crawl back. The actual problem that Macedonia have had since its independence is the Albanian minority that shows no loyalty towards the country even today but that’s another topic
@@borismitrevski8127 indeed your comment is correct. Bulgaria since the balkan wars wanted the region of north macedonia and in 1990s wanted to take the region. Actually they still do want it badly
One comment about Slovenia. When the conflict in Slovenia started, the army was still the Titoist/Yugoslav/"unionist" factor in Yugoslavia. Serbia wasn't very willing to fight that war for the reason you said - there aren't that many Serbs in Slovenia. With their withdrawal, the army lost its unionist character. When Macedonia declared independence, the army was now acting in the interests of Serbia, it lost its Yugoslav character, and since there weren't many Serbs there, a reason to fight was non-existent.
We got 400k albanians immigrating in Macedonia in 1999 bcs of Serbian-Kosovo war. Its save to say immigration is never good, bcs then they want more rights more things and it goes to the point where they have a good percentage of ur country
@@salar1586the so called “400k albanian immigrants” stayed in camps close to the Kosovo border or in albanians homes and they went back when the war was over. Its the macedonian immigrants from Greece (egejci) who moved to Albanian spaces
Only two corrections: Slovenia did not receive international recognition immediately after the war with the JNA, but later, at the same time as Croatia. You forgot to mention the rebellion of the parents of soldiers from Serbia who occupied the Serbian Parliament and demanded that their children immediately return home from Slovenia because neither there were not many Serbs.
Problem with Greece is probably tied eith Greek Civil War when many Slavic Macedonians were on losing side and lots of people wrre expelled from country and their roperty confiscated.
@@idubbzz7790 no it wasn't. And it's not Greek again. West bought you all now you own nothing but no problem you may shout that Macedonia is Greek 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mladenmatosevic4591 the same thing happened with the Albanians who collaborated with the Nazis, after the war they retreated and their properties confiscated. Now they say that they were abused and forced to leave for no reason.
@@HistoryHustle you do realize this is probably a slav and not a succesor of Philipp the 2nds heritage. He probably cant even speak his language or understand the meaning of his name.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 exactly! Also youre kinda uneducated. You just wrote Philipp with only one "p". This is why I speculate you might not be a real Macedonian sincr you probably dont even know the meaning of that name or even the meaning of the name "Macedonian" like all Macedonians do. Or Im mistaken and youre probably dyslexic.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 exactly! Also youre kinda uneducated. You just wrote Philipp with only one "p". This is why I speculate you might not be a real Macedonian sincr you probably dont even know the meaning of that name or even the meaning of the name "Macedonian" like all Macedonians do.
Reason is because the problems were everywhere., this would be too much for Milosevic. Second, there was little Serbs in Makedonie. On the other hand Makedonia didn't escaped civil war in 2001 against Albanians terrorists. Only country who avoided independence without war and dead in the beginning and latter is Montenegro.
It's not true.We and Macedonian are brothers.Like Serbian and Montenegrins.In this two republic of former SFRJ no conflict.Learn about South Slavic History something.
There were a lot of soliders from Montenegro in Herzegovina and in Dubrovnik area form 1991-1995 and also frist NATO bomb exlpoded in Montenegro during NATO bombing of SR Yugoslavia( Serbia and Montenegro)
You are confusing the facts.There are no Macedonians they are Bulgarian. Every one of them has a Bulgarian passport.Albanians are native to the territory. Stop lying
A region in Japan is called Chugoku (中国) which literally means Central Country which is the same name as that of ‘China’ （中囯）. Interestingly China has not lodged any protest at all.
It is not the same thing, they don't just have the same name they are the same region. The slavs in north macedonia claimed to be the descendents of the ancient macedonians (which were Greek btw), so they didn't just name themselves after the region but they also tried to steal history and culture. You should have known that but you tried to be a smartass
@@Μπρο Unlike the modern "greeks" who settled in Macedonia after ww1 we were natives in Macedonia. We inherited that culture and legacy from our ancestors it is part of our heritage the majority of our Macedonians have origins from Aegean Macedonia unlike the modern Greeks in Macedonia which origins are from modern day Turkey and for all intents and purposes they are identical to the modern Turks.
The name of China in Japanese was not Chugoku until the 19th century. 支那 "Shina" was the old Japanese name for China, while 中国 Chugoku was always the name for western Japan (the known origin of the Japanese state)
Thank you for the objective, non-biased and informative video about my country. It was the late president Kiro Gligorov decision to put the part "with a right to enter into any future alliance with the sovereign states of Yugoslavia" to the referendum in 1991. Some opposed this decision, but looking from todays perspective it was a very wise one.
One of the best history videos I have seen, historically precise and unbiased. Of course, it misses some facts, but it is not possible to include everything and still make it watchable. So well done, you gained a subscriber 🙂
😂😂😂 that’s why they worked with the NAZIs and they executed with their Nazi friends the Jewish community in Salonica in Greece??? That’s your definition of peaceful??? 😂😂😂
when it comes to Macedonia! everyone wants to occupy the Macedonian territory, as today nothing has changed unfortunately... Macedonia is surrounded by the most primitive nations around.
We, Macedonians, were actually lucky that we had Mr. Gligorov as a President at that time (and a few other good men around him). He knew what war means. He wisely negotiated a deal with Miloshevic whereas Miloshevic took all our wepons and amunition and other assets from the army from Macedonia in exchange for peaceful session.
Reason - The Macedonians (Slavs) did not block military barracks, nor did they carry out ethnic cleansing and liquidation of the Serbian civilian population as in other parts of Yugoslavia.
@@ForageGardener Open access to the sea was possible through Montenegro, and Bosnia and Herzegovina practically has no access to the sea, neither then nor now.
@@euphoriaggaminghd Historical facts say the opposite - the ethnic cleansing of the Serbian people from Kosovo* began during the Ottoman occupation, and from Croatia, Dalmatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina during WW2 with concentration camp systems. It ended with NATO aggression, terrorist attacks, the Yellow House, radical jihadists and Nazi brigades.
@@AMEurope333 😭😭😭 Serbs impress me every time with the dumb shit they say. So you try to take Shkodra from Albania, Kosova from Albanians, Macedonia from Albanians, Novi Pazar from Albanians, Vranya and Preshevë from Albanians and this was all being done through massacres and ethnic cleansing. It was the Albanians who were always rebelling against the Ottomans with no support. You guys waited for Russian and Austrian help and then later Bulgarian and Greek help. You guys never did shit for yourself which is why you wait for others to save you. Then you steal land that isn't yours and cry when you lose it. No one cares if you built one church somewhere, it's not your land. Kosova is Albania, Vardar Macedonia belongs to the bulgarian and albanian natives and the rest of the land I mentioned is only "serbian" through ethnic cleansing
Unfortunately when events are still within living memory for many people (myself included), the comments section for videos such as this tends to turn into a hot nationalistic mess. The recent 50th anniversary of the conflict in Cyprus is another example.
Cyprus was an invasion not a conflict. Watching now Turks complaining about Israel for Palestine makes it even more ridiculous but thats life in the region
@@StrahdVonZarovich802 And the reason the Turks felt they had to invade was...? This is exactly what I was referring to - people on both sides vehemently feel their side was in the right, and any nuanced analysis goes right out of the window.
@@MrLunarlander If u did your research you will know that Turk did black ops in Cyprus to instigate hatred between the communities. They have a long history of terror. Pogrom of 1950 Kostantinoupoli. They used a Turk student (agent) to plant a bomb in the house of Ataturk in Thessaloniki. They used that excuse to rape, kill and destroy the houses/shops of Greek citizens in Kostantinoupoli. Imvros-Tenedos a mainly Greek populated islands. What the TUrk did? Made prisons with heavy criminals and let them roam at night to make the Greek population fear for their lifes.
Macedonia has got to be one of the most hated countries in the world apart from that other one with the white flag and a star that i don't even want to say
@@MrLunarlander if you want nuanced analysis then you should consider the fact that the barbaric Turkish invasion of 1974 in Cyprus is condemned by the entire planet! And that no country on Earth (not even the Turkic countries, which are unconditional allies of Turkey) is recognizing the so called by the Turks "Republic of Northern Cyprus", which the Turks established after the invasion, ultimately moving hundreds of thousands of settlers from mainland Turkey to Northern Cyprus.
So, you do not think that Bulgaria recognizing the country first and lobbying for recognition by Turkey and Russian had no impact on Serbian forces not invading? That is a fanciful proposition. Serbia did not invade Macedonia, because that would have materially increased the risk of Bulgaria getting involved...
Serbia didn't have any reason to attack Macedonia, no Serbs in Macedonia have been oppressed or treated badly like in Croatia and Bosnia. Nothing to do with Bulgaria in any way.
I have a friend from Greece who is actually Macedonian. There are some inside of Greece, mainly up against the border on the Greek side. Needless to say they are not very well tolerated in Greece. His grandfather was actually the priest in the village between the wars. The Greek government would not allow Macedonian in the schools and not even in the church. The village had to employ a Greek police man whose only job was to come to church, sit on a chair in the back and make sure that the priest did not preach in Macedonian and no part of the Divine Liturgy was allowed to be in Slavonic, only in medieval or liturgical Greek (which Greeks can barely understand). Otherwise he had nothing to do. He was apparently a big, fat guy and sometimes he would fall asleep in church and start to snore. Everyone else had to stand as there was only one chair and it was for him. Possibly confessions were heard in Macedonian or possibly prayers for the sick in private homes, but that was it. As soon as the Second World War ended or even before that point, the civil war started. The partisans came down from the mountains, drove out the priest and his family and made the church a communist club. My friend was a little boy and his mother, the priest's married daughter, hid him under a stack of wood. Otherwise he would have been taken for "education" in a communist country. His sister was bigger and could not be hidden. She was taken off to Czechoslovakia and was only united with her brother in 1968 during the Prague Spring. My friend thought that there was no future for him in Greece once the communists were driven out as the royalists were not much better when it came to Macedonians, so he immigrated to Canada. I think that some people did return to the village, but very few.
People should not talk badly about countries that they clearly have no clue on and haven't seen for themselves if what their friend claimed is actually true. Your friend is talking shit and you simply believe him because "trust me bro".
@@ioeuropaganymedkallisto7204 I do not know who you might be or where you live. However my friend does not talk in such a manner. We do not use words like that one you mentioned. We also do not use "trust me bro". We are both educated and mannerly gentlemen. I fear this is a concept beyond your capacity to understand.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Liar. Kirste Misirkov. We are Bulgarians. More Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of SKopje is pure Bulgarian.
There is another important reason: Macedonia allowed Yugoslav Army to peacefully withdraw with all their heavy weaponary! My best friend was one of the last Yugoslav soldiers in Skopje and he described these last days as 'genuinely friendly, with sporadic minor tensions'..
Yes exactly that was part of the agreement. Beside that weaponry was worth a couple of hundreds milion euros and was payed through the existence of Yugoslavia from the Macedonian people's taxes. Basically Macedonia was robbed off from her payed weaponry.
@@algsahin1958 Yes, and that argument is very reasonable. Yugoslav (=Serbian) argument was: any republic separating from federation can not keep weapons / assets that belong to federal military. However that whole argument fell in the water couple of months later when federal army withdrew from Bosnia and left all weapons to newly formed Bosnian Serbian Army (=Mladic).
@@algsahin1958 I would even argue that stripping Macedonia naked, was totally counterproductive - cos just few years later in 2001, they had to fight common enemy (=UÇK). For example: Bulgarians gave them 90 T-55 tanks as help. While Serbia inherited 1000+ T-55, that were by 2001, almost completely phased out of service..
One of the recurring mistakes in politics and war is to underestimate the opponent/s. Back in 1989 I was travelling in (still intact) Yugoslavia and I saw what was unfolding. I warned people against the power of outside divide-and-rule. Do you know what the most common answers were? - Don't worry, these are different times and we are civilized people. - Croats are married to Serbs, and Muslims are now friends with Christians - Can't happen here, we are sooooo economically connected on different levels - We've been culturally together so long, we can't be divided _Russia wanted Yugoslavia to remain intact,_ *and the USA/EU/NATO wanted to break it up into smaller, less powerful pieces/states it could use as extensions of the own power, access economically and militarily into the Balkans and the adjacent Black Sea, and squeeze Russian influence out.* Guess who "won"? It wasn't the people I spoke to. Beware of the eternal strategy of divide-and-rule.
@@ralphbernhard1757 USSR/Russia did not give a damn about Yugoslavia, already in september/october 1991 they agreed as OK for NATO armed intervention. There is actually UN security council document approving that masked in dry diplomathic phrases. But you are right about control and Divide Et Impera rule. USSR/Russia did not give crap about Yugoslavia in 1941 (april 1941 they were sleeping in bed with Hitler and having good sex life) or in 1991, ONLY when they need it because of their interests (Hitler attacked or NATO is encircling them) they would struck that "friendly" and even pathethic "Slavic brothers" tune. Which RELLY does wonders to stupid Serbians who originate from Croatia or Bosnia (Russia is their "great" protector) They behaved simmilarly during Napoleon's time too. Welcome to harsh realities of international relationships. TBH only idiots can trust great powers. Ukraine/Zelensky is latest example.
@@robrob9050 Yes, agreed 100% about great powers. Russia's POV after 1989 was purely self-interest, in keeping the status quo at the time, (intact unified Yugoslavia with a single "front door" re. IR in Belgrade) it could keep the collective West out of the Balkans "by proxy" (close relations to Belgrade). All empires put own interests first, and empires are amoral.
Finally, a proper and clearheaded response or comment. For the author, very short but intelligent interpretation of the events. P.S. For all my Greek neighbours, would recommend to reread their famous philosopher Demosthenes and his Philippics aka, speeches against Philip II of Macedon.
@@Œillet3 Thank you. The propaganda of the divide-and-strategy inverts reality, also known as "doublespeak." Doublespeak was not invented in 1984. "Just helping our friends" = supporting some proxy to do the bidding *for* a hidden ulterior motive. NATO "helped" to break up Yugoslavia, which is what the USA wanted, but said that they helped the side "fighting for freedom." "Give us the tools and we will fight" (famous Churchill quote) = If you have to beg for support, you ARE already "the tool" of another power. See Ukraine, Taiwan, Geogia, and many more set up against their neighbors, so the USA/collective West "win" political aims in the background, whilst stating it is the "fight for democracy" or whatever. This will repeat throughout history.
@@Œillet3 Thank you for reading. Comments seem to disappear from this channel. I replied to your comment but it got swiped. Can you see this comment? rgds
I am Bulgarian and I remember that when Macedonia declared independence our army was on the heist alert and my father and other men during that time were asked to be prepared to go to the army.
There was a phone call between BG president Zhelev and YU president Miloshevic. The Serbs were preparing to invade Macedonia and Bulgarians knew it. Zlevev told Milosevic that if they come in Macedonia the second Bulgarian army will enter and occupy Serbia up to Nis. And Zhelev convinced Eltsin in Sofia to recognize Macedonia like Bulgaria did in order to avoid a war there.
@@batzerga Yeltsin doesn't even need to be convince give alcohol and he will agree to sell u whole Russia he should not be even taken seriously bulgaria would take a chance and occupy Macedonia and start brainwashing Macedonia and pressure them to call themselfs Bulgarians
Finally someone made a video about this, I'm from Macedonia, it was quite painful to find any information about how Macedonia got independence from Yugoslavia without any bloodshed thank you for the video
As a Slovenian I find it pathetic how vocal the Greek are about my fellow slavs, the Makedonians and not as vocal about Constantinople, aka Istanbul. What happend to the Megali idea? O, I forgot. Turkey is much stronger and bigger than Makedonija. In the end I will be honest, we are insignificant compared to the big nations that play global politics. If they want, they can remove us with their nukes. Than we will all sing kumbaja together, be it in haven or hell. Peace to all and a liter of good rakija on top.✌️
your name and surname is not even Slovenian , its either Bulgarian or Skopje based.Greeks doesnt claim to occupay Skopje , they claim that Macedonia is not connected to serbinized bulgarians there ethnically, thats simple.Meanwhile Istanbul doesnt create fake identity and call themselves reall Italians just because it was east Roman empire capital and territory once.Why you speak behalf of Slovenians anyway
@@hakan-rj7qh 🤣🤣 ajme brate. You are one of many who have asked if I am Slovenian or an asimulated outsider. My mother is Slovenian, her mother is slovenian/croatian. My father is Croatian and its his side of that has makedonian origins. To be honest thats the Balkan, a bit of this ethnicity, a bit of the other and the third. I wish we could have stayed united, but nothing is perfect or eternal. Only God. The reason I reacted to the video is pure brotherhood. I will send to hell all the politicians of the ex-juga beacuse I dont trust them. But I will stand with my fellow average Slavs because we are by quote of Josip Broz Tito: Nothing and nobody if we are not together. After all, look at the Balkan now. The EU look down on us like we are nobodies, just usefull serfs and puppets. Anyways, I can forget how I laught when I read the first part. 🤣👍 good comment.
The Macedonians did not violate the rights of the minorities living there, especially the Serbs. Furthermore, Serbian civilians in Macedonia were not attacked, which cannot be said of the Croats and Bosniaks. The civil war in Bosnia was caused by violence against Serbian civilians in Sarajevo. Furthermore, the then "president" of Croatia, Franjo Tudjman, withdrew all voting rights from the Serbs who had lived there for centuries. This meant that they could not choose from the very beginning whether they wanted to remain in Yugoslavia or not. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what triggered the civil war. No Greater Serbia or other nonsense --> THAT alone led to the civil wars in Bosnia and Croatia. The rest is history.
A blatant lie this is. Probably the comment writer is Chetnik. The Serbs started Balvan Revolucija (Log Revolution)back in 1989/90, not recognising Croatian democratically elected Government. Killing policemen and ethnically cleansing territories . And then YU Army came and protected . So, please spare us from Serbian propaganda.
@@zvukisvetlodmx7223 exactly. It's astonishing how simple it actually is to do. One of the striking examples of this is that Serbs initially just fought for autonomy and basic rights that were granted to others.
Slovenian war differentiates also from the Croat and Bosnian ones. Slovenia was first, and that conflict was very short. Sp short, I would group it with Macedonia as almost a no-war. I would say Slovenia and Macedonia had no wars or short wars, because no Serb enclaves existed there. While in Croatia you had Krajina area. And Bosnia seems to be like half n half. Half Serbs, Half Bosnians.
Half of Bosnia is Serbian dominated . while the Krajina Region had been historically Serbian . Had because in 1995 The Serbs were expelled from Krajina .
According to the 1991 census, Muslims were 43,47% of the population, Serbs 31.21% and Croats 17.38%. They are all Bosnians or Herzegovinians depending on what geographical area they come from.
@@patriotenfield3276Historically? Those lands were always Croatian, you were settled there during Ottoman-Habsburg wars. The fact that you had a plurality (in most places, not even a majority) over there does not mean that you had the sovereignity over those lands.
There was a war in Croatia because Croatia wanted an ethnicity homogenous country and in order to do that, they started expelling and murdering Serbs, they were hoping JNA would not do anything like in Slovenia but after the open attacks on military barracks in Vukovar JNA had to do something, so they did a demonstration of force. As JNA was a multiethnic army this action wasn't really popular as other ethnicities didn't care about the Serb pogroms, so they did a half ass job and given that Croatian jna brass was giving information and working with the Croatian Army it was a mess. But still Croatia had no chance to win the war, so the western organizers ordered that JNA leave Croatia. After the UN disarmed the remaining Serb population Croatia was ethnically cleansed. Emboldened by the West declaring that Serbs are OK to kill Muslims tried to do the same thing when JNA left its territory, but this time the Serbs don't fall for the same disarmament trick and continue to fight until the Western powers are forced to intervene when the Muslim forces prove unable to destroy the local Serbs.
@@DzIVDzAN Austria 1885, Greece/Romania/Turkey 1913, France/UK/Russia 1918. The Bulgarian army never lost a battleflag, but was always betrayed by politics
@@joroplayer wow Greece/Romania/Turkey 1913 who started 1913, greedy Bulgarian King Ferdinand Maximilian Karl Leopold Maria (yep topical Bulgarian name) and he was Ortodox (wtf he was Roman Catholic) No wander your politicians chose to fight in two WW on side of Austro-Hungaria and Nazie Germany. Bulgarian army never lost a battle flag they surrender it. you were on loosing side what did you expected go gain something, you are lucky cos great power (Serbian allays) stop Serbia, Greece, Turkey to take much more from your land cos of your greedy Germanic King.
My father is a Serb and he served JNA in the 80s in Štip, where his garrison commander was Ratko Mladić. He says that Štip and very few other places were actually good for non-Macedonian soldiers to serve as everywhere else was hell (idk if he meant that as in the state of the infrastructre, ethnic tensions, etc.)
Bulgaria has nothing to win from administering Vardar Macedonia directly. See East Germany for example: the divide between West and East Germany still exists, and the two regions require different policies. Implementing policies specific to Vardar Macedonia and gradually getting it up to speed with Bulgaria is much better than administering it directly. After all, the goal would be to have RNM as a member state of EU - so that Bulgaria would get double the influence on EU level. That being said, that's all moot, as the citizens of RNM have to first want reunification with Bulgaria, or an EU future, or whatever. Currently they don't seem to want any of these.
You didnt mention the fact that Macedonia is a buffer state between 4 nations with conflicting interests and for that reason Serbia didnt intervene because it would trigger a war with Bulgaria at first. No greeks live in Macedonia and just e few thousand serbs.
Bulgaria - the first that recognized the Macedonian independent state. Recognizing an independent state is exactly the opposite of taking over it. I remember that time, yes, although I was a kid, we were so happy about having Macedonia independent from Yugoslavia and Serbia. We were thought that Macedonians and Bulgarians are same people and speak same language and we were expecting a similar warm feeling from our Macedonian brothers. We though experienced the interaction with people that were thought that we are from a different race - Mongols, from a different ethnicity - Tatars, from a different political side - fascists, with a different language - slavicised and macedonisiced Turk, close to Russian AND that we were the people and country that was and is the biggest enemy of Macedonia. Yugoslavia had made from these people real bulgarophobs and haters and also pure serbophils and schauvinists. 32 years passed and this is still valid, with the exception that many Bulgarians started reflecting the hate and the culmination was the EU Veto. The hate speech is growing on their side now with the pro-serbian government and I suspect this will reflect in Bulgaria again. This is exactly what it aims this hate speech, right - geopolitical close to Serbia, Russia and Hungary, and far from Bulgaria, Greece and the EU.
You can watch the interviews of the Greek Prime Minister then, who immediately rejected the plan. The reason was straightforward. The broader territory of Macedonia suffered a lot of conflicts before its liberation from the Ottomans, mainly because of conflicting ethnicities. Basically, after the 2nd world War, Greek Macedonia was 100% Greek because of the population movements, and there were no Greeks in the Yugoslavian Macedonia. Annexing the Yugoslavian part would be a huge problem for Greece, as they speak a different language, have separate churches, and have different historical roots. For Skopje, it made sense from a financial perspective; it would also give them access to the sea. The Prime Minister of Greece correctly decided that the best thing for that area was to be an independent state and join the EU to have stability. With the latest treaty, Greece opened the door for North Macedonia to become a member of the EU, but it is up to them now to enter.
Also Milosevic was in friendly relationship with Macedonian president Kiro Gligorov. His son i think currently work in Economic university in Belgrade.
I believe that Yugoslavia(basically Serbia in 1991) would attack and occupy Macedonia in that time but didnt because of 2 main reasons: 1.Their North-West front already fighting in Croatia and Bosnia would be much weakened 2.I am sure Bulgaria would imminently go to war with Serbia if they declared war on Macedonian soil
The war on two fronts was the main reason for Macedonia's peaceful succession. The lack of a local Serb population was secondary as the JNA attacked Slovenia which didn't have one either but with the successful Slovenian resistance, the narrative changed from keeping Yugoslavia together to keeping Serbs together in one state.
JNA Generals were suprised because the army left Slovenia. Government in Belgrade showed clearly that its intentions were not saving Yugoslavia but incorporating all lands where Serbs lived. If Yugoslavia occupied Slovenia, maybe it would have survived.
JNA never attacked SLovenia.WHat bulsh is that .Slovenian terotiroal guard with police attacked JNA barrack ,and that was not real war ,only 6 civilian died in whole "war"
@@dzonikg Some people really live in fantasy worlds due to the propaganda or simply due to malicious intentions. I even saw people claiming much more outrageous things regarding WW1 and WW2.
There were and there are Serbs in Slovenia, in fact are the largest minority, but they were not as numerous as in Croatia and Bosnia (some people from Slovenia which are full or half Serbs are basketball players Luka Dončić, Zoran Dragić, Goran Dragić, Mayor of Ljubljana Zoran Janković, and many more). Secondly, neither Serbia nor the JNA attacked Slovenia but Slovenian guard with police and separatists attack JNA barrack and boys of different nationalities, including Slovenes who only served in the regular military service.
The reason JNA threatened to invade Slovenia is because they started murdering soldiers stationed in Slovenia, even now the war crimes committed go unpunished because this was a western organized operation.
Half of Slovenians are ethnically Serbs but live there peacefully, Macedonians are Serbian brothers. Croatia and Bosnia are less friendly due to historical issues
@goxyeagle8446 all south slavs are "serbs" as that is the original endonym used by all south slavs during and for a time after their migration south from what is now the Berlin region. The only reason they now feel like different ethnicities is because of slight changes that occurred over histories living under different empires and different churches etc. Bosnians are literally Muslim serbs, croats and slovenes are catholic serbs 😂. Macedonian and Bulgarians are serbs who adopted the name of some conquerors but still very slavic and Macedonian are basically the Austria to Bulgarian Germany
@@goxyeagle8446This is so NOT true. Some 4% are Serbs, and there are also Croats, Bosnians and Croatians with 2-3%. Altogether some 12% of population in Slovenia are people from ex Yugoslav republics.
A Bulgarian intervention and a much bigger conflict was also likely in this scenario. Bulgaria was the first country to recognize FYROM, which was meant to send a clear signal to Belgrade.
@@dragansimonovski4045 сакаш не сакаш читай - So, the reason is that Bulgaria wanted to protect our Macedonian brothers, thus has confirmed the sovereignty of Macedonian state and made Russia also confirm Macedonia, this all because Zelyo Zelev knew that wars are about to come, as it is very common when bigger confederated states are dissolving. In the latest declassified communication it is already known that the Serbs wanted to rush in and the Bulgarian Army, then one of the strongest on the Balkans, was on highest alert. Video of making Boris Yeltsin agree to sign the document to confirm the Macedonian State is literally available on UA-cam! Long live to our Macedonian brothers!
@@dragansimonovski4045Желев е думал на Милошевич дека влезне ли у македонско втора българска армия ке интервенира и окупира празна Сърбия все от България та чак до Ниш. Да си знаеш защо не е имало война у македонско баце.
@@batzerga како и секогаш во поновата историја (од 1900г навака), Бугарија неодлучно менува политики за важни прашања: предавството на Србија во Балканските војни, менување на страна во Втора светска војна, промена на политика и став кон македонското прашање после Втора светска војна)... И 1990г и 2001г Бугарија е клучен играч за дестабилизација на Македонија, а благодариме и што ни ја уништивте последната шанса да си ја спасиме државичката со ветото во 2020г! Ве молам престанете да ни "помагате" браќа! Го сакам разумниот дел од бугарскиот братски народ, ама политиката и исперените мозоци ви се фатални за нас!
"The significance of the term 'Macedonians' has changed. The modern country called Republic of North Macedonia is populated primarily by people of Slavic origin [and related to Bulgarians]. The Original Ancient region of Macedonia (in northern Greece) was the land of a Greek speaking ancient ethnic group called 'Macedonians' - the people of Alexander the Great" [Dr. Orvill Boyd-Jenkins, Anthropologist]
The best told history of my country by a foreigner I've ever heard. All very precisely explored to the point. True historian who sees the facts in the hay full of propaganda and fingered stories. Hope to see more of you
@@batzerga Are you saying that for real, funny guy 🤣 Bulgarians are Turkic Tatar Bulgar tribe led by Khan Asparuh and Kubrat (definitely not Slavic or Christian names) who settled on the Balkans after the Slavs in 7th century and they were pagans and later on they accepted the Macedonian Slavic language and converted into Christianity, So it's pretty obvious that Bulgarians actually were assimilated by the Slavic nations around them, tho they weren't ethnically Slavic but belong in the Turkic-Mongol group of people Pls do us & yourself a favor and educate yourself instead of reading and believing that greater Bulgaria, anti- Macedonian propaganda that you've invented and held even during Nazi and Communist Bulgaria, You still don't even admit the reality of Macedonian nation and Macedonian people even in Bulgaria and the Holocaust and the genocide of over 10000 Jews and gypsys in Macedonia during the Bulgarian Nazi occupation! And even today you don't recognize the 250000 strong minority in Bulgaria, especially in Pirin Macedonia! (Although at one point you admitted it in one of the first official Bulgarian censuses after WW2, during communist Bulgaria, but later on changed your mind and continued with the propaganda and falsification of historical documents)😢
"The national name derives from the GREEK TERM Makedonía, related to the name of the region, named after the ancient Macedonians and their kingdom. It originates from the ANCIENT GREEK adjective makednos, meaning "tall", which shares its roots with the adjective makrós, meaning the same." Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, on Perseus
RNM is currently trying to piece together an identity from ancient Greek history, medieval/Renaissance Bulgarian history, and Serbian history in the 20th century. That leads to quite the strange results and quite the arguments.
Man, you are talking so much things, but do not mention maybe one of the main reasons: if Yugoslavia had attacked Vardar Macedonia, this would mean a war with Bulgaria, as this is what Bulgaria informed Belgrade is going to happen, if they attack. After Bulgaria recognized the independency of Vardar Macedonia (first country), Zhelev also convinced Boris Eltsin to do it, which helped the new nation and no blood was shed there.
@@mihalybilbija5184 The first country to recognize then -Republic of Macedonia (now North Macedonia) as an independent state in 1992 was Bulgaria. Bulgaria officially recognized it on January 15, 1992, shortly after they declared the independence from Yugoslavia. Bulgaria's recognition is a well-documented historical fact, and it set a precedent in the region during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
1991 MAKEDONSKI NAROD oformi DRZ'AVA REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
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@@petarmilchev5689 you didn't recognise the macedonian nation nor the macedonian language only the country so tatar go and celebrate han kubrat and remember never north only Macedonia
In addition to what you say I will add that: The Seribian ambassador in Sofia was told the message “if the Serbian army goes to Macedonia then the Bulgarian army will go to Nis” Also, the first country to recognize the independence of Macedonia was Bulgaria. Then Bulgaria sends more than 100 tanks and other military equipment to Macedonia… Also, the Bulgarian President during that time asked Boris Yeltsin (who was on a visit in Bulgaria) to recognize the independence of Macedonia, which was done on the flight back from Sofia to Moskov from Boris Yeltsin.
To be fair, everybody knew that if Serbia sends its army to Macedonia, Bulgaria will immediately intervene. Neither Serbia nor Greece nor anybody else wanted the Bulgarian army in Skopie.
why would bulgaria intervene? they do not recognize any aspect of our identity and they claim IMRO in 19th century fought for independent macedonia untill it joins bulgaria. So if anything they would attack us claiming our ancestors never wanted indepedent state
"Therefore a deserved country was vulnerable to outside attacks" Right there it is clear these are all Western talking points. Are you not aware that at that time Macedonia was just a republic who is a part of Yugoslavia?! What outside attacks from an army who is already present in Macedonia from 1945? And how they were vulnerable when YPA was present in Macedonia?! Yes TD did lost the weapons. But why the YPA took them? Because in Slovenia separatist forces took TD arms, created their paramilitary and armed police and started attaching YPA barracks and coloumns. Macedonia wanted to stay in Yugoslavia to the very end, but they didn't want to participate in a civil war, especially in a war far from their administrative borders. They made an agreement with YPA about the withdrawal of the forces, YPA left without a fight, and all Macedonian soldiers and officers came back in Macedonia peacefully. UN forces were deployed on a border with Serbia and Albania. Another false claim is that the war didn't happen because there was no significant Serbian population. Well what do you know, in Slovenia there was also no significant Serbian population, yet that didn't stop the war right? Because Slovenians attacked the YPA who was already in Slovenia from 1945. The truth was that Macedonians didn't attack the YPA. They didn't import arms illegally like Slovenia and Croatia. They didn't create their paramilitary. And the most important think they didn't want a war, contrary to Slovenia and Croatia. It is clear that when you say Belgrade you think Serbia. But that is another false claim because Belgrade was a capital of whole Yugoslavia. And who was in charge of Yugoslavia at that time? It was presidency - composed of members of all republic, federal executive council - composed of representatives of all republics and YPA - composed of the people from all republics. When you mentioned Šešelj or Arkan it is indicative that you portrait only Serbians as extreme nationalists. But such marginal people were present in all republics who were in charge of their paramilitary or volunteers, but you didn't bother to mention them. All and all, very one-sided and biased documentary. Hope you will do better in the future.
Tatarland in the 90s had no control over its own territory. It was and still is rulled by criminal gangs. This statement couldn't be farther from the truth. Just some wet dream of a brainwashed nationalist. Вода у очи немате татари.
There was no partition of any Macedonia. There was a liberation of Ottoman-held territories by Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia. There is a difference between "partition" and "liberation." The bona fide region of Macedonia is in Greece. Greece did NOT want to divide that territory with Serbia as stated in this video. That is false.
There absolutely was. After the first Balkan War, all of Rumelia (European part of the Ottoman Empire) was annexed by Montenegro, Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece (and Albania was formed as a new country). Rumelia at that time consisted of Thrace, Macedonia, Albania, Kosovo & Sandjak. Macedonia was absolutely partitioned with the London agreement in 1913, the treaty of Bucharest in 1913 and the treaty of Neuilly in 1919. Post WW1 territorial changes of the Macedonian land include the Yugoslav-Albanian border war 1921, inner Yugoslav regional border changes (establishment of the Banovinas), World War 2 partitioning between Bulgarian, Albanian and German rule, etc.
@@EagleProductionsMK Albanians had created their own autonomous and independent states during the Ottoman Empire before the creation of the modern Balkan states by world powers according to their geopolitical needs
The main reason Serbia do not intervene supported by Greece is that the Bulgarian prime minister at the time warned that if Serbia attack Macedonia Bulgarian army will cross the Serbian border. Dude if you want to make a realistic history learn the facts!
I dont get why Macedonia didnt have referendum of independence 500 years in Ottoman empire? Also I dont get who are immigrants living there today if that was Serbia before Turks and Serbia liberated it after Turks in 1912
They probably were, but the turks were big and whatever uprising had happend, they could shut it down silently (before it spreads on the territory). There are apparently 365 churches in ohrid and most of them are hidden in caves, cause Christianity wasn't allowed by the Turks. All they could do is secretly keep the Christian religion and it has survived. Many events are sang through macedonian folk songs which are not written in history (History is written by the Victor).
@@BgMasterGames Why is referendum in Ottoman state ridicilous but in state made by Serbs in 1918, referendum 1991. is not ridiculous?
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have you heard about ilindensko vostanie 1903?? serbia didn't liberate macedonia, serbia occupied one part of macedonia and the other two parts of macedonia were occupied by the tatars aka bulgars and yunans aka greeks in 1913
And where are "Macedonians" in Greek or Bulgarian parts of Macedonia? Do not exist. In Greece are Greeks in Bulgaria are Bulgarians. Only in Serbia we have to listen this lies from who know what immigranta, because area of today North Macedonia was before Turkish invasion Serbia, Serbs lived there, Serbs were owners of the land. So Serbs after Turks in 1913. only can be liberators of their ex land, not occupators.
The Greeks were right to be concerned about the name Macedonia, after all Belgium and Luxembourg have simmering border tensions over the Belgian province of Luxembourg which neighbours the Grand Duchy, when thinking about the risks, everyone is concerned that there may be an eruption of laughter.
Of course they had, a country that have done ethnic cleansing and Genocide for more than 50 years will try to do everything to cover the crap they did. Same like Turkey with the Armenians, Israel with Palestine and many other
and then according to Aristotle the term Greek Grakoi Graikhos it was a name originally used by Illyrians ("Meteorologica" I.xiv), what should the Albanians do then ? They should protest by telling the Greeks to change their name
6:28 using the Vergina Sun as flag didn't helped Skopje. Also, during WW2, it was proven that, with the help of a stronger party, territorial claims were indeed made against Greek Macedonia
territorial claims in ww2 were made by every ethnicity not fair to think modern macedonia post ww2 has any claims towards anyone. And i do agree about the flag, we have our own symbols used last 1000 years idk why they end up using ancient symbol it is a disgrace towards ancestors who fought with lions, crosses etc
"In regard to their own national feelings, all that can SAFELY be said is that during the last eighty years many MORE SLAV Macedonians seem to have CONSIDERED THEMSELVES BULGARIAN, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skoplje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly RECENT growth, and even today IS NOT VERY DEEP-ROOTED." [Elisabeth Barker, “Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics”. (originally published in 1950 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs), p.10]
@@HistoryHustle They love your video because you left out they used to self-identify as Bulgarians, evade over their quick change into ancient Macedonians, and leave out mention of their ongoing irredentism. The comintern would approve.
@@HistoryHustle How about we all recognize western Germans as "ethnic Hollanders" as they produce maps as "united Holland"? Who cares modern Dutch identity is just a construct.
Greece occupied Egeian Macedonia 1913, but one day they have to give it back. Greece is a newly created balkan state of 1831, by Otto, they have no connection to the hellenic tribes from ancient times, they just strive to connect themsleves with the hellenic tribes so that they can brag about some madeup history. Also, the hellens NEVER had a state, they were just some small cities, in war with each other. Hellens should not be confused with Macedonians, who were part of the MAcedonian Kingdom! The hellens hated the Macedonians and called them barbarians, didn't let them join the olympic games! Macedonia grew very strong under the rule of Filip 2nd and his son Alexander, they conquered the hellenic tribes with ease and enslaved them. Today, greece falsly claim that the hellens and the Macedonians were releated, which cannot be further from the truth, they were seperate people, Macedonians were barbaric warlike nation with a strong Kingdom that eventually ruled the world, while the hellens were small, divided tribes that NEVER formed a Kingdom, cause they were too stupid and greedy. And finally 1832 Greece has absolutelly no claim on the weak hellenic tribes from 2300 years ago, this is just some stolen identity and wishful thinking of an artificial new nation.
at the days of Alexandros your slavobulgarian culture language and ancestors were at least two thousand km far from Μακεδονία 🇬🇷. And your slavobulgarian 🇲🇰 state was created at 1945, hundred and twenty years after Greece. Don't spread the results of your heavy brainwashing here
@@ΝίκΠαπ-ψ8η I don't know who are you reffering to minor asian guy, but you are probably thinking of bulgarians, you should leave them out of this convesation. unless you want to steal their history too.
TL:DR Macedonia didn't have ethnic Serbs in it so they didn't care. Slovenia saw fighting because they tried to leave first so it was still the Yugoslav Army fighting to hold all of Yugoslavia together. Once everything fell apart Serbia let them and Macedonia go and focused on Croatia and Bosnia to seize as much ethnic Serb land as possible.
Macedonia is a big province of Greece. You should call it Republic of Vardar, or if you wish, republic of north Macedonia. Either way, I love and respect my northern brothers.
Yes, you are right the name is an old Greek name and also the flag is an old Greek one. But they call it Macedonia because of the area, rather than history. There is no dispute that Alexander the Great is a Greek for the rest of the world (except N. Macedonia, who used it as propaganda...)
@vasilmirmidonski2740 Yes this is true, I call myself Bulgarian and yes we speak the Slavic language. Old Bulgarians spoke the Turk language, but the same is the case with Russians. They speak Slavic language but Russo is Scandinavian who made the first kingdom KyevRus in the very same way Bulgar made the first kingdom. However people in North Macedonia are not Greek and they speak the Slavic language, not like Alexander the Great who (and his family) were Greeks and spoke Greek….. Slavic come to the Balkans between 3 and 6 century A.D. I also live in Thracia (area) but I am not Thracian :) You may check information about the “Odrysian kingdom” 431-424 B.C (the same time frame as old Macedonia ) and compare the area of the Kingdom with the area of modern Bulgarian 1:1 mapping, but we do not call ourselves Thracian!
@vasilmirmidonski2740 OK look, bela + zora is also the same in Bulgarian (бела зора) so for this I do not need translation : ) Slavic languages are Indo-European languages like Greece so they have a comment root. Some words may be the same but it does not mean it is the same people… It would be the same statement if you say that ancient Rome is English because some words are the same. Which is a wrong statement!!! For Thracian, it is even high speculative because they do not have a written language and they use Greek to write. Some historians say that Thracians are Slavs, but this is just pure speculation. I will be glad if Thracians are Slavs because they were living in modern-day Bulgaria, and then i can say they are old Bulgarians (but I do not think they are Slavs)… I will give you another example the word “Буда“ (English spelling Buda) means wake up in Bulgarian (probably the same meaning in Macedonian) and in Hindi (also Sanskrit) it is “buddha” which has the same meaning, thus Bulgarian and probably Macedonian are Indians? Of course, there are many other examples like this, but I am not an expert in languages. So one need to specify when one language is different from the other, and normally it is when the two nations speak and do not understand each other (or they understand some percentage 90,80, 70 ..50 whatever). But there is no doubt that Alexander the Great was Greek, simply his teacher was Aristotle ; ) so they speak the same language (100% or 99% understand each other ….)
ANYWAY, if you go back 1-2 million years ago we all come from Africa and we have the same language : ) By the way, there are many Greek and Turkish words in Bulgarian language, I guess this is also true for Macedonian language. For example “Хиляда” in Bulgarian mean thousand and in other Slavic languages it is “тысяча” while in Greek it is “χίλια” . So are we Greeks? Please don’t judge me for that. :) Андон, Поздрав от Тракия до Македония ;)
@vasilmirmidonski2740 In correct written Bulgarian yes it is “Бяло” but in some parts of Bulgaria it is pronouns “Бело”. It is often that Я becomes Е Like “Мляко” (the correct written Bulgarian for milk) in many parts of Bulgaria is said like “Млеко” So if the stress is not on Я then it becomes Е. Dialects …. I think because our ruler during the communist time, Todor Jivkov used this dialect Млеко and Бело not to make him look bad the communist party allow as second official to be possible spelling. The old Glagolitic alphabet is basically what Cyrillic and Methodius introduced as alphabet and the Cyrillic alphabet that you and I use nowadays is invention of Saint Kliment Ohridski. It is a kind of propaganda that Cyrillic and Methodius are the main characters where indeed the Cyrillic is thanks to Kliment Ohridski. This is a known fact but somehow the accent is still for Cyrillic and Methodius (not only in Macedonia but also in Bulgaria and in the rest of the Slavic world). By the way the Bogomils movement is still present in Bulgaria nowadays, and I have some friends that are part of this movement. During that time of the year, Bogomils go high in the Rila mountain dress in white, and dance in circles. I have been in Greece at the grave of Alexander the Great, of course the body of Alexander is not there thus difficult to say it is his grave, but there is such a tourist destination in Greece. In Macedonia, I have been two times, in Ohrid and in Skopie. In Ohrid was very easy to understand the local people (especially the elderly population) in Skopie is not so easy to understand the local people (at least for me). I like Ohride very much and would like to come again in Macedonia, but I will wait till politics come down and Macediona is in European Union. But I see and speak with Macedonians every summer when I go to the Greece sea, basically in the north part of Greece there are a lot of Macedonians, Serbs, Bulgarians and Romanians.
“[FYRO]Macedonian nationalism, as distinct from other South Slavic peoples is, moreover, a relatively new concept, introduced and encouraged by dictator Josip Tito, upon the creation of a separate Macedonian Republic within the Yugoslav federation in 1946. Prior to this, the area generally known as Vardarska banovina (the district of the Vardar river) was considered simply an extension of its southern Slavic neighbors, either Serbians to the north, or Bulgarians to the east. Slavs arrived in the Balkan Peninsula only in the 6th century AD, and therefore have nothing to do with the well-known classical kingdom of Macedonia, which dominated the rest of Greece, the Near East, Egypt and Persia under Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE.” Encyclopedia of World Geography, Volume 1, 2006, p.564:
@@GoceDelcevMKD "Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components-name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association-were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia.“ Anthony D. Smith (1998). Nationalism and Modernism: A Critical Survey of Recent Theories of Nations and Nationalism. New York: Routledge.p. 191
@@GoceDelcevMKD "... the Greeks have by far the longest history of any other people in this book. The Linear B writings of the MYCENAEANS, dating from the middle of the second millennium B.C.E., show that they spoke a form of Greek that probably would have been somewhat intelligible to Greeks of the classical era. And from the time of the Mycenaeans and throughout Greek history TO THE PRESENT, the Greeks have been a very mobile people, trading and settling throughout the Mediterranean and in western Asia Minor and around the Black Sea." Encyclopedia of European Peoples, 2006, Carl Waldman and Catherine Mason, p.342
@@lagjescuni5482 We formed in 1944 while the region of Macedonia was divided in 1912. So he is right Greece has no claimed land from socialist republic of macedonia nor republic of macedonia nor republic of north macedonia
The answer is simple. YPA (Yugoslav People's Army) wasn't attacked, nor their barracks were surrounded and attacked. Macedonians never stiked on the other minorities in their republic...no one had anything against. There was constitution from '70s saying that any Republic may get out of Yugoslavia if other republics agree to it. Which wasn't the case with Slovenia for example. In Croatia on the other hand Croats and Serbs were equal constitutional nations and both had to agree so independence could go without problems..which wasn't the case because newly formed Croatian authorities put out immediately Serbs out of constitution and made them minority, Cyrillic alphabet was expelled and many Serbs in towns were expelled from their jobs or homes...like Zagreb (Zec family) or Zadar (Zadar's crystal night). In Bosnia and Herzegovina on the other hand, three nations were constitutional (which means non of them could be called minority) and by their referendum, Bosnian Muslims and Croats were for independence while Serbs were against. Those two decided to ignore the constitution, following Croatian example...and decided to over vote Serbs...which was against the constitution...and we know how tragically it all ended for all of them. Macedonia was lucky...until the Albanian started their armed rebellion in 2000s..
There was a proposal from the President of Serbia, Slobodan Milošević, to the Prime Minister of Greece, Konstantinos Mitsotakis, suggesting a simultaneous invasion of what is now North Macedonia, with the intention of dividing the country in two. However, the Greek side rejected this plan. This is corroborated by a testimony from Mitsotakis himself in an interview given in Greek. I believe this fact should also be taken into consideration.
@@HistoryHustle You are a propagandist not a historian. You tell history through the lens of your politics much like the communists of Yugoslavia. An actual historian, with actual moral credibility, would point out they used to self-identify as Bulgarians, lie by trying to link themselves to ancient macedonians, and point out Greeks were right to object over irredentism (which you find on this very comment section).
Slovenia also did not have Serbian population yet they were attacked, while Macedonia actually has/had some Serb areas near the border. I just wanna believe Yugoslavia was too busy and in exchange for our military equipment they let us go. Some radical Serbs actually did propose Macedonia to be divided by Greece and Yugoslavia but thankfully did not happen. Also for 2001 conflict
Several historical inaccuracies in your video! You say "In 1913, historic Macedonia was partitioned between Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece"! Actually, the term "historic Macedonia" coincides with the term "the millennia old Macedonia" and that Macedonia is Greek and has nothing to do with the current "bulgaro-Slavic" nation of Northern Macedonia! P.S. I am trying to answer the @everybodyknowsme 1504 comment below but my relative comment has been several times deleted. So, I re-write it here: "I am convinced that you are a troll promoting its own ag ee n dda because your UA-cam channel has no content, no members and provides no info on you..."
@@everybodyknowsme1504 I am convinced that you are a coward troll promoting an ag enda , as your UA-cam channel has no content at all and provides no info at all on you...
Please notice that Mr. or Ms. @everybodyknowsme 1504 has deleted my comment, so I am re-writing it here: "I am convinced that you are a cowardish troll promoting here your ag een da, because your UA-cam channel has no content at all, no members and provides no info on you! Thus, it is a fake account!
@@everybodyknowsme1504 Don't know why history between 300 BC and 600 AD bothers someone from North Macedonia anyways. Your nation did not even exist back then.
To you I guess. The fact you're offended doesn't mean you are right.
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@@HistoryHustle hahaha are you for real??? we the macedonians do not accept the 'north' bit because it was changed against the constitution and after the unsuccessful referendum so hence against the will of the macedonian people and at same time there was a successful referendum for independence of Catalonia but all of the EU ignored the will of the catalan people. you are very ignorant to make such a comment, where are you from? imagine if you are danish and we tell you that you are north german etc...
Then Slavic Macedonia not Macedonia because Macedonia refers to Greece both historically and literally.
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@@Euro.Patriot no there is no slavic macedonia or greek aka yunan macedonia there is only one macedonia that was divided after the balkan wars in 1913 between serbia, bulgaria and greece, the greek yunaans never controlled aegean macedonia until 1913, hence they've changed the names of all the cities and mountauns and rivers and expelled many macedonian people but regardless they still call the macedonians living in aegaean macedonia as dopia or entopia which means locals or indigenous people, so did i enlighten you with this crush history course euro patriot. never north only Macedonia!
Slovenia and Macedonia left (rather) painlessly since Milosevic had no interest in them. The 10 day "war" in Slovenia was just an effort to save as much weaponry for the real conflict... and Macedonia was a liability even in Yugoslavia.
Macedonians were wise, unlike Slovenians who chose to leave first, they waited a little. Actually Slovenia had a very short war, in fact, it wasn't really a war. The JNA didn't really attack Slovenia, it was rather a state of tension for about 10 days, with some people dead especially in Jugoslav army. Slovenia, like Macedonia and Montenegro were the republics free of Serbs(or with very small minority), so normally, they were allowed to exit Yugoslavia. Montenegro did it in 2006, it was close to do it too, during the Jugoslav wars, like other republics, but the president of Montenegro was a very good friend of Milosevic (who on its turn was actually Montenegrin not Serb). In Croatia and especially Bosnia, there were many Serbs, and wasn't really this the problem, it was the special status the Serbs had it in both Croatia and Bosnia, unlike in other republics, in these 2 republics the Serbs were considered a Sovereign nation (not a minority), even if in Croatia the Serbs counted to less than 15% of the population. Montenegrins are actually Serbs, no difference between them, Macedonians are a mix of Bulgarians and Serbs, and Slovenians are some sort of Moravians (a Czech variation).
The idea that Serbians and Montenegrins are the same is quite relative and debatable. Montenegro was an independent kingdom from Serbia and previously a principality.
iInteresting? I'd say so - absolutely fascinating. I have a Greek daughter in law and have often wondered.....Wonderful explanaton. Thank you.
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Until 1991 when macedonia became an independent state the word macedonia was forbidden in yunanistan aka greece. also the airport in solun aka thessaloniki was called Mikra and in 1993 they've changes to Makedonia, why they didn't change it in 1983 or 1963 etc...??the yunans occupied part of macedonia in 1913 and bulgaria another part and until 1913 the yunnas aka greeks never controlled agean macedonia that they control now. For your info the city of solun or as they call it thessaloniki now was the biggest macedonian city and also the brothers Cyril and Methodius that created the cyrilic alphabet are Macedonians from Solun aka thessaloniki born in the 9th century, this is just a small part of history for you. All the cities, towns, villages, mountains and rivers were changed in aegean macedonia after the yunnas aka greeks occupied it, solun to thessaloniki, kostur to castoria, voden to edesa, lerin to florina etc...don't fall for the yunan aka greek propaganda, they are the only country in the world without minorities created by germany, uk and russian with their first king otto from bavaria in 1829, where are their so called ancient greek dynasties lol why yunanistan has a flag of the east indian anglo-dutch trading company? because is a fake state. why they don't have a statue of alexander the great or his father philip in Athens? why they didn't use the flag of alexander the great like republic of macedonia did?
Yet they desperately want kosova, I think Serbs need to be reminded that had they fought in Macedonia, Albanians and Bulgarians would end their country as they know it
@@euphoriaggaminghd Albanians are emigrating en masse from Kosovo and Albania. So, we can say that the Albanians are withdrawing from the Balkans. 🇨🇭🇩🇪🇬🇧🇨🇦🇺🇸⬅🇦🇱🎒🚮👋😎🇷🇸 The day of the liberation of Serbian Kosovo from the Albanians is approaching. Comparison of censuses in Albania and Kosovo in 2011 and 2024: Albania: 2011: 2,831,741 2024: 2,402,113 - 429,628 Kosovo: 2011: 1,739,825 2024: 1,586,659 -153,166 Total 2011: 4,571,566 2024: 3,988,772 - 582,794
@@MisterJovke millions of albanians still come here every year as part of diaspora lmao, you think suddenly albanians will just disappear? You are delusional buddy. Every balkan country is declining in population anyway, and so sre Serbs from kosova
For all our neighbours please leave us to live in peace we are Macedonian we love people’s in greece,bulgaria,serbia,albenia everything is political thing only to destroy our friendship ❤🇲🇰🇬🇷🇦🇱🇧🇬🇷🇸
You entirely forgot (or purposely ignored) Bulgaria's part in all of that, I wonder why? The fact that Bulgaria was the first country in the world to take the crucial step in recognizing Macedonia's independence as a sovereign and further more had the balls to stand to Serbia and warn them Bulgaria will intervene if they dare invade Macedonia. And yes, the threat was real given Miloshevic had threatened with "Blood to the knees if they don't join their new mini federstion". That is according to the words of a former Macedonian official btw, you can look it up. Not only that, but Serbia and Greece offered to Bulgaria to partition and divide Macedonia between the 3 countries, yet Bulgaria declined. In the end all we got is blame and mockerong fr[m the "nikogash" Macedonians of Skopje and at best in most case videos like this one which doesn't even bother to mention any of these facts.
Well, that "mini federation" part in the question was why the referendum was a success in the first place wasn't it? Referendum questions in other republics didn't have that ambiguous part. They cheated on the population of Macedonia which is until this day very Yugo-nostalgic. Together with 20-30% population boycotting Macedonia referendum would never be "successful", especially not with "95% voting in favor". Both Macedonian and Albanian parts of the population lived very well during Yugoslavia. Also, Bulgaria IS mentioned for doing very nasty things in Macedonia doing WWII and a lot of modern day Macedonians remember stories from their elders.
yeah sure you deny our history, language and ethnic identity and u will protect us diplomatically lol. We see last 10 years what kind of policy u have towards us we do not need to look for 1991.
@@ilijaandrevski2749 "Also, Bulgaria IS mentioned for doing very nasty things in Macedonia doing WWII and a lot of modern day Macedonians remember stories from their elders." Yes, bcs North Macedonia still blasts state anti-Bulgarian propaganda and hatred in it's schools to this day. Much like North Korea does towards South Korea, despite in both cases the refugees fleeing towards the "evil brethrens" and not away. Anyone can check and verify this, ever since the start of the liberation efforts all the way to the end of WWII the vast majority of Macedonians fled to Bulgaria the most. You can hate us all you want, but that fact won't ever change. The aim of Bulgaria for Macedonia has always been freedom and sovereignty for it's ppl, even at the cost of their Bulgarian identity. And today you have that, it's up to you how you use.
@@NikojNisto-bd4to "yeah sure you deny our history, language and ethnic identity and u will protect us diplomatically lol" Whine all you want, but you wouldn't be a sovereign country if it wasn't for Bulgaria. Greece and Serbia were ready to partition your territory. All Bulgaria had to do was say yes or stand idle. As for the "history, language and ethnic identity" you know (or at least you should by now) very well that this isn't just a matter of simply acknowledging "your language", given N. Macedonia is serving as Russia's proxy in their attempts to lay claim over the Slavonic languages. Their attempt to brand it as "Ancient Russian" was reject by any respected linguist and scholar, then they shifted to the "it's actually Macedonian", despite literally every single author, even and especially the earliest ones explicitly stating that their "Macedonian dialect" which they wrote in was indeed part of the "Bulgarian language". "Mirror" or "Огледало" is 1 of the many examples of this. As for the history, if you mean the stereotypical examples like King Samuel or Goce, the Bulgarian historians told yours "Give us a single source, where Samuel is described as a Macedonian king and we'll accept your claims" and they couldn't provide even a single source, bcs there is none. The claim has no basis and relies entirely on Yugoslav and Comintern propaganda and made up fictional history, like the non-existent "Komit Nikola inscription" where it's claimed that "the Macedonians were thanking him for fighting the evil Bulgars". This is only made more absurd by the fact that Samuel died of a stroke from the sight of the blinded soldiers HIS Bulgarian army by Basil II (nicknamed the Bulgar Slayer) who was of the (Roman, NOT the Ancient) Macedonian dynasty, started by a half Greek, half Armenian guy. As for Goce, he wrote himself by his own hand and free will "си сме българи", which in N. Macedonia is claimed to be "him joking" (how and why exactly, it is never explained, just stated). It is yet another example of how your allergy and hatred toward anything Bulgarian, which you;'re are taught since the day you're born, prevents you to acknowledge even basic facts. Even the Macedonian historians don't deny that Goce was a Bulgarian. Your former president also stated it. And last, but not least. We are not "denying your identity", as I've mentioned, Bulgaria was the first to make the crucial step toward your recognition as a sovereign and a SEPARATE nation. And we still haven't changed our stance, even if we may have arguments about the language and history, your identity and right to self-determination is not being argued or denied. At least we can agree on 1 thing, that you don't need to look back at the present, bcs you should be more concerned about your future given your current President statement that she "sees Serbs and both sides of the border... if there even is a border". Yet, you remain blinded by your hatred towards Bulgaria which is the only thing you see. As the Bulgarian saying goes, "каквото сам си направиш, друг не може да ти го направи (причини)".
6:30. Now that’s something I could never understand. Greece is a large country, with a NATO trained army whereas small Macedonia has like 1000 lightly armed soldiers…
That's not the problem tho ,the problem is the exodus and the genocides commited by the greeks during the Macedonian struggle ,balkan wars and the Civil War + renaming the cities ,villages from Macedonian to Greek they were afraid we will support some kind of uprising in the Aegean to reunite the Aegean part with the main part
@@andrejivanov7145uprising in the Aegean?There are 2 million Greeks in Aegean Macedonia and 50.000 Slavic speakers,what kind of uprising?Also those Slavic speakers believe themselves to be Greek and hate north Macedonia more than us Greeks
@@KonstantinosXatzipanagiotidiss Pontic Greeks that came after the exchange * even your professors admit that ,I mean you gotta have Trauma after what IMRO did to your criminal bands during the Macedonian struggle
A well known fact is that Bulgaria recognized Macedonia first, right after the independence was proclaimed. A not known fact is that Bulgaria sent ultimatum to Yugoslavia: if the Yugoslav army attacks Macedonia, Bulgaria will immediately declare war. You may check this.
@@robrob9050 It did stop the Yugoslav army, right? No war with Macedonia occurred, although the army was already situated at the Northern border of Macedonia... Btw. which war with Serbia are you referring to? 1885 or the Second Balkan war?
@@robrob9050 So what about them? All were won by us on the battlefield and lost on the diplomatic field. Check your data/history sources. 2nd Balkan war finished not because Serbs won on the battlefield, even with the support of the Greeks, but because Romanians invaded us from the back. WW1 and WW2 were similar scenario. Most of the times we were winning in the battles and losing on the diplomatic table ;) Intense relations between Bulgaria and Serbia in the past. Just for you to have the whole picture, check the war of 1885: Bulgaria was invaded, just because it proclaimed the Unification ;)
You omitted likely the most influential factor: the UN peacekeeping mission Operation Able Sentry which placed US boots on the Macedonian border that essentially meant any Serbian attack would constitute an attack on US/UN soldiers and escalate the conflict. It was a major roadblock to Serbian military movement.
The Fall of Yugoslavia:
ua-cam.com/video/JrMX2b8LLtY/v-deo.html
The first soldier that got killed in the Yugoslavian wars was a Macedonian. Without all of the states in the Federation, Macedonia didn't wanted to be part of "Serboslavia" as one polititian called it.
Also, interesting that you mentioned the 2001 armed conflict, as all of the western countries, USA included (which were also involved in it) refuse to let the people know about it.
My comment just disaper lol,yootube is just pure crap
YT sometimes deletes stuff for no reason.
Serbia did not want additional Albanians (Macedonia then had about 450,000 Albanians), so Serbia let Macedonia secede....
@@MisterJovke Actually, the number of Albanians in Macedonia increased only when they become refugees from Kosovo. Macedonia was forced by the west to accept them and they decided not to leave. And when they decided to work in wester countries, they still kept the documents with double citizenship. The problem when their wives give birth to 16 children didn't made the things easyer as most of them later did not had legal jobs.
I"m Slovene and i served military JNA in 1987/88 in Kumanovo-Macedonia. I will always remember Macedonia and it"s wonderful people!
How did a Slovenian and a Macedonian understand each other? Did they both speak Serbo-Croatian in addition to their own languages?
@@gottmituns813.....
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES SPEAK MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814
It's Bulgarian. Someone from Skopje and Sofia can understand each other perfectly, but that's not the point.
@@tatjanavelkova5814😂😂😂Ne jadi gomna , Mrs u kujna ..
@@maksimilijanMCMLXXXIV...... you eat green.
I'm from Bosnia and served JNA in Macedonia. Nice place with awesome foods and even better friendly people that made me feel home.
You're welcome any time. Pozdrav!
We are always pressured by our neighboring countries, they are not humaine. We have always wanted peace. They bring us war. Господе помогни ни!
By "friendly people" you mean any bigoted antihellenic prick that whitewashes their switch of identity from Slavs into ancient Macedonians.
Kiro Gligorov, gospodin čovjek..
Pozdrav prijateljima Makedoncima iz Hrvatske!
Good video, just to add few things.
Yugoslav army wasn’t ready to fight on another front. They also fear that Macedonia might get backed up by Bulgaria, So Milosevic and Gligorov negotiated peaceful solution but Macedonia had to agree to hand over entire weaponry that was on Macedonian territory which was very sizable even in today’s comparison.
Also low key Belgrade hopes were Macedonia would not be able to establish itself as a sovereign country and will crawl back.
The actual problem that Macedonia have had since its independence is the Albanian minority that shows no loyalty towards the country even today but that’s another topic
Thanks for your reply!
@@borismitrevski8127 indeed your comment is correct. Bulgaria since the balkan wars wanted the region of north macedonia and in 1990s wanted to take the region. Actually they still do want it badly
@@theodorossarafis7370.....
MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES IN SOUTH EVROPA ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 the region yes and it was greek. Slavs arrived 1300 years ago. Even gligorov stated that. Nice try.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 ua-cam.com/video/WR_24sxWGQ4/v-deo.htmlsi=mVfveC51jxXb_8Tg
As a Macedonian I can confirm you did a good job with the video. You oversimplified it but it is a 10 minute video, it has to be done.
Well done!
Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching and replying.
@@HistoryHustle Because Macedonians go in Yugoslav People Arrmy ( JNA ) to defend Yugoslavia. Macedonians did not attack any soldier of JNA.
😮😮😮 Greek ??? Nice… Giasou Ellina 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@@alexammohostianos5631 please go be troll some place else
@@HistoryHustleneed to correct the title to North Macedonia
One comment about Slovenia. When the conflict in Slovenia started, the army was still the Titoist/Yugoslav/"unionist" factor in Yugoslavia. Serbia wasn't very willing to fight that war for the reason you said - there aren't that many Serbs in Slovenia. With their withdrawal, the army lost its unionist character. When Macedonia declared independence, the army was now acting in the interests of Serbia, it lost its Yugoslav character, and since there weren't many Serbs there, a reason to fight was non-existent.
Great explanation
Living in n Ireland I know how difficult it is for people of different ethnicity and religion to live together in peace
Well, all of Europe is learning in a fast pace mate.
Lol, we in Indonesia welcomed y'all
Yeah when you got foreign forces interfering with your unity it’s quite hard to maintain the previously mentioned unity
We got 400k albanians immigrating in Macedonia in 1999 bcs of Serbian-Kosovo war. Its save to say immigration is never good, bcs then they want more rights more things and it goes to the point where they have a good percentage of ur country
@@salar1586the so called “400k albanian immigrants” stayed in camps close to the Kosovo border or in albanians homes and they went back when the war was over. Its the macedonian immigrants from Greece (egejci) who moved to Albanian spaces
NEVER NORTH - ONLY AND JUST MACEDONIA ❤
Never Macedonia. Vardar.
@@mydogsbutler.......
River Vardar 25 centuries in MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
North of north Macedonia soon.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Vardar is not Macedonia. Macedonia is in Greece.
@@mydogsbutler MAKEDONIJA IN SOUTH EVROPA ! ! !
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Only two corrections: Slovenia did not receive international recognition immediately after the war with the JNA, but later, at the same time as Croatia. You forgot to mention the rebellion of the parents of soldiers from Serbia who occupied the Serbian Parliament and demanded that their children immediately return home from Slovenia because neither there were not many Serbs.
Children? Since when is a 19-year old a child?
@@zoranorlic2423 for their parents they are children :P it's about perspective and probably language barrier
Problem with Greece is probably tied eith Greek Civil War when many Slavic Macedonians were on losing side and lots of people wrre expelled from country and their roperty confiscated.
@@idubbzz7790 no it wasn't. And it's not Greek again. West bought you all now you own nothing but no problem you may shout that Macedonia is Greek 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mladenmatosevic4591 the same thing happened with the Albanians who collaborated with the Nazis, after the war they retreated and their properties confiscated. Now they say that they were abused and forced to leave for no reason.
"Slavic macedonians".... Bulgarians. Is it that hard to call people with their real ethnicity?
@@АлександърСтойчев-ю1ю plase take your pills Tatar 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@darkomiceski3755
Can you tell us what the word Macedonia means?
Video is amazingly unbiased for a change and 100% historicaly correct. Best regards from Macedonia
Thanks for your reply.
@@HistoryHustle you do realize this is probably a slav and not a succesor of Philipp the 2nds heritage. He probably cant even speak his language or understand the meaning of his name.
@@kd1405 slav ?
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 exactly!
Also youre kinda uneducated. You just wrote Philipp with only one "p". This is why I speculate you might not be a real Macedonian sincr you probably dont even know the meaning of that name or even the meaning of the name "Macedonian" like all Macedonians do. Or Im mistaken and youre probably dyslexic.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 exactly!
Also youre kinda uneducated. You just wrote Philipp with only one "p". This is why I speculate you might not be a real Macedonian sincr you probably dont even know the meaning of that name or even the meaning of the name "Macedonian" like all Macedonians do.
Reason is because the problems were everywhere., this would be too much for Milosevic. Second, there was little Serbs in Makedonie. On the other hand Makedonia didn't escaped civil war in 2001 against Albanians terrorists. Only country who avoided independence without war and dead in the beginning and latter is Montenegro.
It's not true.We and Macedonian are brothers.Like Serbian and Montenegrins.In this two republic of former SFRJ no conflict.Learn about South Slavic History something.
But Montenegro was bombed by NATO in 1999.
Lol. Blaming Serbs for everything, typical western propaganda
There were a lot of soliders from Montenegro in Herzegovina and in Dubrovnik area form 1991-1995 and also frist NATO bomb exlpoded in Montenegro during NATO bombing of SR Yugoslavia( Serbia and Montenegro)
You are confusing the facts.There are no Macedonians they are Bulgarian. Every one of them has a Bulgarian passport.Albanians are native to the territory. Stop lying
A region in Japan is called Chugoku (中国) which literally means Central Country which is the same name as that of ‘China’ （中囯）. Interestingly China has not lodged any protest at all.
It is not the same thing, they don't just have the same name they are the same region. The slavs in north macedonia claimed to be the descendents of the ancient macedonians (which were Greek btw), so they didn't just name themselves after the region but they also tried to steal history and culture. You should have known that but you tried to be a smartass
@@Μπρο Unlike the modern "greeks" who settled in Macedonia after ww1 we were natives in Macedonia. We inherited that culture and legacy from our ancestors it is part of our heritage the majority of our Macedonians have origins from Aegean Macedonia unlike the modern Greeks in Macedonia which origins are from modern day Turkey and for all intents and purposes they are identical to the modern Turks.
Moldova/Moldavia as well
The name of China in Japanese was not Chugoku until the 19th century. 支那 "Shina" was the old Japanese name for China, while 中国 Chugoku was always the name for western Japan (the known origin of the Japanese state)
@@NovumRex Yet you speak a Slavic language...
Thank you for the objective, non-biased and informative video about my country. It was the late president Kiro Gligorov decision to put the part "with a right to enter into any future alliance with the sovereign states of Yugoslavia" to the referendum in 1991. Some opposed this decision, but looking from todays perspective it was a very wise one.
Thanks for your reply!
Macedonian food is great! They make a soup that is so tasty that I have never had anything like it before or since.
Do you remember what it's called? I'm going to visit Macedonia soon!
One of the best history videos I have seen, historically precise and unbiased. Of course, it misses some facts, but it is not possible to include everything and still make it watchable. So well done, you gained a subscriber 🙂
because Macedonia is the most peaceful country and people.
True
I think because bulgaria was there to make pressure on jugoslavia but you learnd story you know everything i see
😂😂😂 that’s why they worked with the NAZIs and they executed with their Nazi friends the Jewish community in Salonica in Greece???
That’s your definition of peaceful??? 😂😂😂
when it comes to Macedonia! everyone wants to occupy the Macedonian territory, as today nothing has changed unfortunately... Macedonia is surrounded by the most primitive nations around.
@@vaskofiliposki3888 But you wait primitive Serbs to enter and save your ass.
We, Macedonians, were actually lucky that we had Mr. Gligorov as a President at that time (and a few other good men around him). He knew what war means. He wisely negotiated a deal with Miloshevic whereas Miloshevic took all our wepons and amunition and other assets from the army from Macedonia in exchange for peaceful session.
but who was behind Gligorov's attempted assassination, people point at Bulgaria, Albania or Serbia
before 20 years Kiro Gligorov -- President on MAKEDONIJA.
2024 GORDANA SILJANOVSKA PRESIDENT ON MAKEDONIJA ! !
Because Macedonia did not want to separate from Yugoslavia now every republic is like little puddle
Pa ti nemas pojma 😂
Reason - The Macedonians (Slavs) did not block military barracks, nor did they carry out ethnic cleansing and liquidation of the Serbian civilian population as in other parts of Yugoslavia.
Also it's landlocked and wouldn't provide sea access to Serbia like Croatia or Bosnia would
@@ForageGardener Open access to the sea was possible through Montenegro, and Bosnia and Herzegovina practically has no access to the sea, neither then nor now.
Meanwhile the Serbs carried out ethnic cleansing in 3 different territories and cried when they were forced to flee their homes 😂😂
@@euphoriaggaminghd Historical facts say the opposite - the ethnic cleansing of the Serbian people from Kosovo* began during the Ottoman occupation, and from Croatia, Dalmatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina during WW2 with concentration camp systems. It ended with NATO aggression, terrorist attacks, the Yellow House, radical jihadists and Nazi brigades.
@@AMEurope333 😭😭😭 Serbs impress me every time with the dumb shit they say. So you try to take Shkodra from Albania, Kosova from Albanians, Macedonia from Albanians, Novi Pazar from Albanians, Vranya and Preshevë from Albanians and this was all being done through massacres and ethnic cleansing. It was the Albanians who were always rebelling against the Ottomans with no support. You guys waited for Russian and Austrian help and then later Bulgarian and Greek help. You guys never did shit for yourself which is why you wait for others to save you. Then you steal land that isn't yours and cry when you lose it. No one cares if you built one church somewhere, it's not your land. Kosova is Albania, Vardar Macedonia belongs to the bulgarian and albanian natives and the rest of the land I mentioned is only "serbian" through ethnic cleansing
Unfortunately when events are still within living memory for many people (myself included), the comments section for videos such as this tends to turn into a hot nationalistic mess. The recent 50th anniversary of the conflict in Cyprus is another example.
Cyprus was an invasion not a conflict. Watching now Turks complaining about Israel for Palestine makes it even more ridiculous but thats life in the region
@@StrahdVonZarovich802 And the reason the Turks felt they had to invade was...? This is exactly what I was referring to - people on both sides vehemently feel their side was in the right, and any nuanced analysis goes right out of the window.
@@MrLunarlander If u did your research you will know that Turk did black ops in Cyprus to instigate hatred between the communities. They have a long history of terror.
Pogrom of 1950 Kostantinoupoli. They used a Turk student (agent) to plant a bomb in the house of Ataturk in Thessaloniki. They used that excuse to rape, kill and destroy the houses/shops of Greek citizens in Kostantinoupoli.
Imvros-Tenedos a mainly Greek populated islands. What the TUrk did? Made prisons with heavy criminals and let them roam at night to make the Greek population fear for their lifes.
Macedonia has got to be one of the most hated countries in the world apart from that other one with the white flag and a star that i don't even want to say
@@MrLunarlander if you want nuanced analysis then you should consider the fact that the barbaric Turkish invasion of 1974 in Cyprus is condemned by the entire planet! And that no country on Earth (not even the Turkic countries, which are unconditional allies of Turkey) is recognizing the so called by the Turks "Republic of Northern Cyprus", which the Turks established after the invasion, ultimately moving hundreds of thousands of settlers from mainland Turkey to Northern Cyprus.
Stefan, thank you for sharing your vast knowledge with us. Another clue as to why humanity is in a flux of constant change.
Cheers 🍻
So, you do not think that Bulgaria recognizing the country first and lobbying for recognition by Turkey and Russian had no impact on Serbian forces not invading? That is a fanciful proposition. Serbia did not invade Macedonia, because that would have materially increased the risk of Bulgaria getting involved...
Serbia didn't have any reason to attack Macedonia, no Serbs in Macedonia have been oppressed or treated badly like in Croatia and Bosnia.
Nothing to do with Bulgaria in any way.
😂😂😂😂
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I have a friend from Greece who is actually Macedonian. There are some inside of Greece, mainly up against the border on the Greek side. Needless to say they are not very well tolerated in Greece. His grandfather was actually the priest in the village between the wars. The Greek government would not allow Macedonian in the schools and not even in the church. The village had to employ a Greek police man whose only job was to come to church, sit on a chair in the back and make sure that the priest did not preach in Macedonian and no part of the Divine Liturgy was allowed to be in Slavonic, only in medieval or liturgical Greek (which Greeks can barely understand). Otherwise he had nothing to do. He was apparently a big, fat guy and sometimes he would fall asleep in church and start to snore. Everyone else had to stand as there was only one chair and it was for him. Possibly confessions were heard in Macedonian or possibly prayers for the sick in private homes, but that was it. As soon as the Second World War ended or even before that point, the civil war started. The partisans came down from the mountains, drove out the priest and his family and made the church a communist club. My friend was a little boy and his mother, the priest's married daughter, hid him under a stack of wood. Otherwise he would have been taken for "education" in a communist country. His sister was bigger and could not be hidden. She was taken off to Czechoslovakia and was only united with her brother in 1968 during the Prague Spring. My friend thought that there was no future for him in Greece once the communists were driven out as the royalists were not much better when it came to Macedonians, so he immigrated to Canada. I think that some people did return to the village, but very few.
I've been to Macedonia and met many people that were banished from Greece, too. It was definitely not a good time for Macedonians over there.
Bulgarian you mean. Don't get confused
The actual macedonians are Greek not Slavs, also Greeks can understand medieval Greek...
People should not talk badly about countries that they clearly have no clue on and haven't seen for themselves if what their friend claimed is actually true. Your friend is talking shit and you simply believe him because "trust me bro".
@@ioeuropaganymedkallisto7204 I do not know who you might be or where you live. However my friend does not talk in such a manner. We do not use words like that one you mentioned. We also do not use "trust me bro". We are both educated and mannerly gentlemen. I fear this is a concept beyond your capacity to understand.
Another interesting video Stefan. Cheers from Tennessee
Many thanks. Cheers from Antwerpen 🇧🇪
Long live the CSA!
@@vladomatoski1634 Hate to tell you but that sh*t is long gone and good riddance. The Lost Cause was a Great Lie.
As Macedonian i want to thank you for the beautifully presented facts and program done
Thanks for your reply.
@@HistoryHustle He loves your video because you mindlessly repeat their propaganda. Good work alleged "Historian",
MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814
Liar.
Kirste Misirkov. We are Bulgarians. More Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of SKopje is pure Bulgarian.
MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP ! !
There is another important reason: Macedonia allowed Yugoslav Army to peacefully withdraw with all their heavy weaponary!
My best friend was one of the last Yugoslav soldiers in Skopje and he described these last days as 'genuinely friendly, with sporadic minor tensions'..
Yes exactly that was part of the agreement. Beside that weaponry was worth a couple of hundreds milion euros and was payed through the existence of Yugoslavia from the Macedonian people's taxes. Basically Macedonia was robbed off from her payed weaponry.
@@algsahin1958 Yes, and that argument is very reasonable.
Yugoslav (=Serbian) argument was: any republic separating from federation can not keep weapons / assets that belong to federal military.
However that whole argument fell in the water couple of months later when federal army withdrew from Bosnia and left all weapons to newly formed Bosnian Serbian Army (=Mladic).
@@algsahin1958 I would even argue that stripping Macedonia naked, was totally counterproductive - cos just few years later in 2001, they had to fight common enemy (=UÇK).
For example: Bulgarians gave them 90 T-55 tanks as help. While Serbia inherited 1000+ T-55, that were by 2001, almost completely phased out of service..
@@Sleepery22 for example IN MAKEDONIJA MACEDONIANS ! !
another... in wc.
One of the recurring mistakes in politics and war is to underestimate the opponent/s.
Back in 1989 I was travelling in (still intact) Yugoslavia and I saw what was unfolding. I warned people against the power of outside divide-and-rule.
Do you know what the most common answers were?
- Don't worry, these are different times and we are civilized people.
- Croats are married to Serbs, and Muslims are now friends with Christians
- Can't happen here, we are sooooo economically connected on different levels
- We've been culturally together so long, we can't be divided
_Russia wanted Yugoslavia to remain intact,_ *and the USA/EU/NATO wanted to break it up into smaller, less powerful pieces/states it could use as extensions of the own power, access economically and militarily into the Balkans and the adjacent Black Sea, and squeeze Russian influence out.*
Guess who "won"?
It wasn't the people I spoke to.
Beware of the eternal strategy of divide-and-rule.
@@ralphbernhard1757 USSR/Russia did not give a damn about Yugoslavia, already in september/october 1991 they agreed as OK for NATO armed intervention. There is actually UN security council document approving that masked in dry diplomathic phrases. But you are right about control and Divide Et Impera rule. USSR/Russia did not give crap about Yugoslavia in 1941 (april 1941 they were sleeping in bed with Hitler and having good sex life) or in 1991, ONLY when they need it because of their interests (Hitler attacked or NATO is encircling them) they would struck that "friendly" and even pathethic "Slavic brothers" tune. Which RELLY does wonders to stupid Serbians who originate from Croatia or Bosnia (Russia is their "great" protector) They behaved simmilarly during Napoleon's time too. Welcome to harsh realities of international relationships. TBH only idiots can trust great powers. Ukraine/Zelensky is
latest example.
@@robrob9050 Yes, agreed 100% about great powers.
Russia's POV after 1989 was purely self-interest, in keeping the status quo at the time, (intact unified Yugoslavia with a single "front door" re. IR in Belgrade) it could keep the collective West out of the Balkans "by proxy" (close relations to Belgrade).
All empires put own interests first, and empires are amoral.
Finally, a proper and clearheaded response or comment. For the author, very short but intelligent interpretation of the events. P.S. For all my Greek neighbours, would recommend to reread their famous philosopher Demosthenes and his Philippics aka, speeches against Philip II of Macedon.
@@Œillet3 Thank you. The propaganda of the divide-and-strategy inverts reality, also known as "doublespeak." Doublespeak was not invented in 1984.
"Just helping our friends" = supporting some proxy to do the bidding *for* a hidden ulterior motive. NATO "helped" to break up Yugoslavia, which is what the USA wanted, but said that they helped the side "fighting for freedom."
"Give us the tools and we will fight" (famous Churchill quote) = If you have to beg for support, you ARE already "the tool" of another power.
See Ukraine, Taiwan, Geogia, and many more set up against their neighbors, so the USA/collective West "win" political aims in the background, whilst stating it is the "fight for democracy" or whatever.
This will repeat throughout history.
@@Œillet3 Thank you for reading. Comments seem to disappear from this channel. I replied to your comment but it got swiped.
Can you see this comment?
rgds
I am Bulgarian and I remember that when Macedonia declared independence our army was on the heist alert and my father and other men during that time were asked to be prepared to go to the army.
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@@o755ooooo4 You do not get it. It was that we would go to war with Serbia if Serbia attacked Macedonia….
@@andonrangelov8844yeah probably but thought in their head whole time is " finally we can reign Macedonia and reunite with our western brothers" 😅
There was a phone call between BG president Zhelev and YU president Miloshevic. The Serbs were preparing to invade Macedonia and Bulgarians knew it. Zlevev told Milosevic that if they come in Macedonia the second Bulgarian army will enter and occupy Serbia up to Nis. And Zhelev convinced Eltsin in Sofia to recognize Macedonia like Bulgaria did in order to avoid a war there.
@@batzerga Yeltsin doesn't even need to be convince give alcohol and he will agree to sell u whole Russia he should not be even taken seriously bulgaria would take a chance and occupy Macedonia and start brainwashing Macedonia and pressure them to call themselfs Bulgarians
Finally someone made a video about this, I'm from Macedonia, it was quite painful to find any information about how Macedonia got independence from Yugoslavia without any bloodshed thank you for the video
I always felt sorry for the macedonians, they are nice people. They never deserved neighbours like that.
Thanks bro 💪🏼
How about the Swiss or the Swedes….that´s more like what fate owes them eh¿
As a Slovenian I find it pathetic how vocal the Greek are about my fellow slavs, the Makedonians and not as vocal about Constantinople, aka Istanbul. What happend to the Megali idea? O, I forgot. Turkey is much stronger and bigger than Makedonija. In the end I will be honest, we are insignificant compared to the big nations that play global politics. If they want, they can remove us with their nukes. Than we will all sing kumbaja together, be it in haven or hell. Peace to all and a liter of good rakija on top.✌️
My guy, Turkey is not trying to grift as something else other than what they are
your name and surname is not even Slovenian , its either Bulgarian or Skopje based.Greeks doesnt claim to occupay Skopje , they claim that Macedonia is not connected to serbinized bulgarians there ethnically, thats simple.Meanwhile Istanbul doesnt create fake identity and call themselves reall Italians just because it was east Roman empire capital and territory once.Why you speak behalf of Slovenians anyway
The Greeks and Turks settled that issue with the Treaty of Lausanne.
@@hakan-rj7qh 🤣🤣 ajme brate. You are one of many who have asked if I am Slovenian or an asimulated outsider. My mother is Slovenian, her mother is slovenian/croatian. My father is Croatian and its his side of that has makedonian origins. To be honest thats the Balkan, a bit of this ethnicity, a bit of the other and the third. I wish we could have stayed united, but nothing is perfect or eternal. Only God. The reason I reacted to the video is pure brotherhood. I will send to hell all the politicians of the ex-juga beacuse I dont trust them. But I will stand with my fellow average Slavs because we are by quote of Josip Broz Tito: Nothing and nobody if we are not together. After all, look at the Balkan now. The EU look down on us like we are nobodies, just usefull serfs and puppets. Anyways, I can forget how I laught when I read the first part. 🤣👍 good comment.
@@hakan-rj7qh SKOPJE TOWN IN MAKEDONIJA.
PEOPLE IN MAKEDONIJA --- MACEDONIANS ! ! !
Interesting video , I had the Idea that Macedonian People feel brotherhood with the Serbian.
Thanks for your reply.
Every video that i see on the internet that has my country as only ''Macedonia'' i instantly like and subscribe.
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The Macedonians did not violate the rights of the minorities living there, especially the Serbs. Furthermore, Serbian civilians in Macedonia were not attacked, which cannot be said of the Croats and Bosniaks.
The civil war in Bosnia was caused by violence against Serbian civilians in Sarajevo. Furthermore, the then "president" of Croatia, Franjo Tudjman, withdrew all voting rights from the Serbs who had lived there for centuries. This meant that they could not choose from the very beginning whether they wanted to remain in Yugoslavia or not. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what triggered the civil war. No Greater Serbia or other nonsense --> THAT alone led to the civil wars in Bosnia and Croatia. The rest is history.
A blatant lie this is. Probably the comment writer is Chetnik. The Serbs started Balvan Revolucija (Log Revolution)back in 1989/90, not recognising Croatian democratically elected Government. Killing policemen and ethnically cleansing territories . And then YU Army came and protected . So, please spare us from Serbian propaganda.
This is the best short explanation I have ever read about the reasons for the war in SFRJ. 👍
@@zvukisvetlodmx7223 exactly. It's astonishing how simple it actually is to do. One of the striking examples of this is that Serbs initially just fought for autonomy and basic rights that were granted to others.
Well said
what a bunch of nonsense !
Slovenian war differentiates also from the Croat and Bosnian ones. Slovenia was first, and that conflict was very short. Sp short, I would group it with Macedonia as almost a no-war. I would say Slovenia and Macedonia had no wars or short wars, because no Serb enclaves existed there. While in Croatia you had Krajina area. And Bosnia seems to be like half n half. Half Serbs, Half Bosnians.
Half of Bosnia is Serbian dominated . while the Krajina Region had been historically Serbian . Had because in 1995 The Serbs were expelled from Krajina .
According to the 1991 census, Muslims were 43,47% of the population, Serbs 31.21% and Croats 17.38%. They are all Bosnians or Herzegovinians depending on what geographical area they come from.
@@patriotenfield3276Historically? Those lands were always Croatian, you were settled there during Ottoman-Habsburg wars. The fact that you had a plurality (in most places, not even a majority) over there does not mean that you had the sovereignity over those lands.
There was a war in Croatia because Croatia wanted an ethnicity homogenous country and in order to do that, they started expelling and murdering Serbs, they were hoping JNA would not do anything like in Slovenia but after the open attacks on military barracks in Vukovar JNA had to do something, so they did a demonstration of force. As JNA was a multiethnic army this action wasn't really popular as other ethnicities didn't care about the Serb pogroms, so they did a half ass job and given that Croatian jna brass was giving information and working with the Croatian Army it was a mess. But still Croatia had no chance to win the war, so the western organizers ordered that JNA leave Croatia. After the UN disarmed the remaining Serb population Croatia was ethnically cleansed. Emboldened by the West declaring that Serbs are OK to kill Muslims tried to do the same thing when JNA left its territory, but this time the Serbs don't fall for the same disarmament trick and continue to fight until the Western powers are forced to intervene when the Muslim forces prove unable to destroy the local Serbs.
@@Turkish_Productions2007Can you say the same thing for Kosovo Albanians?
Bulgaria recognised Macedonia immediately and would have joined against Serbia.
as they always did, and we know what happens in the end right?
@@DzIVDzAN Yeah, Serbia gets saved from their allies
@@joroplayer which allays pls name few of them? And pls named few of Bulgarian ones.
@@DzIVDzAN Austria 1885, Greece/Romania/Turkey 1913, France/UK/Russia 1918. The Bulgarian army never lost a battleflag, but was always betrayed by politics
@@joroplayer wow Greece/Romania/Turkey 1913 who started 1913, greedy Bulgarian King Ferdinand Maximilian Karl Leopold Maria (yep topical Bulgarian name) and he was Ortodox (wtf he was Roman Catholic)
No wander your politicians chose to fight in two WW on side of Austro-Hungaria and Nazie Germany.
Bulgarian army never lost a battle flag they surrender it.
you were on loosing side what did you expected go gain something, you are lucky cos great power (Serbian allays) stop Serbia, Greece, Turkey to take much more from your land cos of your greedy Germanic King.
because there werent any Serbs living in Macedonia in significant numbers, let me save everyone 10 minutes
MACEDONIA TIMELESS
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My father is a Serb and he served JNA in the 80s in Štip, where his garrison commander was Ratko Mladić. He says that Štip and very few other places were actually good for non-Macedonian soldiers to serve as everywhere else was hell (idk if he meant that as in the state of the infrastructre, ethnic tensions, etc.)
Pozdrav iz Shtip!
Wrong!
Hopefully Vardar Macedonia returns to Bulgaria one day.
I doubt it will.
you ´ll wait 700 years or so =)))
Bulgaria has nothing to win from administering Vardar Macedonia directly.
See East Germany for example: the divide between West and East Germany still exists, and the two regions require different policies. Implementing policies specific to Vardar Macedonia and gradually getting it up to speed with Bulgaria is much better than administering it directly. After all, the goal would be to have RNM as a member state of EU - so that Bulgaria would get double the influence on EU level.
That being said, that's all moot, as the citizens of RNM have to first want reunification with Bulgaria, or an EU future, or whatever. Currently they don't seem to want any of these.
@@erejnion River Vardar in MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
you in... Nis'ava.
It is more likely to become part of Kosovo.
You didnt mention the fact that Macedonia is a buffer state between 4 nations with conflicting interests and for that reason Serbia didnt intervene because it would trigger a war with Bulgaria at first. No greeks live in Macedonia and just e few thousand serbs.
Macedonians did not attack Serbs and JNA unlike the others.
Ok.
Bulgaria - the first that recognized the Macedonian independent state. Recognizing an independent state is exactly the opposite of taking over it. I remember that time, yes, although I was a kid, we were so happy about having Macedonia independent from Yugoslavia and Serbia. We were thought that Macedonians and Bulgarians are same people and speak same language and we were expecting a similar warm feeling from our Macedonian brothers. We though experienced the interaction with people that were thought that we are from a different race - Mongols, from a different ethnicity - Tatars, from a different political side - fascists, with a different language - slavicised and macedonisiced Turk, close to Russian AND that we were the people and country that was and is the biggest enemy of Macedonia. Yugoslavia had made from these people real bulgarophobs and haters and also pure serbophils and schauvinists. 32 years passed and this is still valid, with the exception that many Bulgarians started reflecting the hate and the culmination was the EU Veto. The hate speech is growing on their side now with the pro-serbian government and I suspect this will reflect in Bulgaria again. This is exactly what it aims this hate speech, right - geopolitical close to Serbia, Russia and Hungary, and far from Bulgaria, Greece and the EU.
Serbia even suggested Greece to split that country.
Believe so too.
@@HistoryHustle exactly it was Milosevic plan to split with Greece, but Greeks rejected the plan
@@HistoryHustle Yea they did but Bulgarians Intervened with threat of Intervention.
You can watch the interviews of the Greek Prime Minister then, who immediately rejected the plan. The reason was straightforward. The broader territory of Macedonia suffered a lot of conflicts before its liberation from the Ottomans, mainly because of conflicting ethnicities. Basically, after the 2nd world War, Greek Macedonia was 100% Greek because of the population movements, and there were no Greeks in the Yugoslavian Macedonia. Annexing the Yugoslavian part would be a huge problem for Greece, as they speak a different language, have separate churches, and have different historical roots. For Skopje, it made sense from a financial perspective; it would also give them access to the sea. The Prime Minister of Greece correctly decided that the best thing for that area was to be an independent state and join the EU to have stability. With the latest treaty, Greece opened the door for North Macedonia to become a member of the EU, but it is up to them now to enter.
@@nikolaosvasiloglou2796......
MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES IS MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
Also Milosevic was in friendly relationship with Macedonian president Kiro Gligorov. His son i think currently work in Economic university in Belgrade.
Serbs and Macedonians are brothers, not possible any conflict
Croats and Bosniaks owe Serbs in history so there was a conflict
Vladimir Gligorov passed away in 2022
I believe that Yugoslavia(basically Serbia in 1991) would attack and occupy Macedonia in that time but didnt because of 2 main reasons:
1.Their North-West front already fighting in Croatia and Bosnia would be much weakened
2.I am sure Bulgaria would imminently go to war with Serbia if they declared war on Macedonian soil
Така беше в минало време.Найстина хората в България бяхме в заблуда в отношенията си със Северна.И щяха да реагират найстина тогава
@@stanbatakarata6081 MAKEDONSKI NAROD -- LUGJE.
hora ? ... u Crno more.
Great video frend, finaly someone unbiased to explain how it is !
Great to read. Thanks for watching.
The war on two fronts was the main reason for Macedonia's peaceful succession. The lack of a local Serb population was secondary as the JNA attacked Slovenia which didn't have one either but with the successful Slovenian resistance, the narrative changed from keeping Yugoslavia together to keeping Serbs together in one state.
I sign every word. We were too busy with Croatia.
JNA Generals were suprised because the army left Slovenia. Government in Belgrade showed clearly that its intentions were not saving Yugoslavia but incorporating all lands where Serbs lived. If Yugoslavia occupied Slovenia, maybe it would have survived.
JNA never attacked SLovenia.WHat bulsh is that .Slovenian terotiroal guard with police attacked JNA barrack ,and that was not real war ,only 6 civilian died in whole "war"
@@dzonikg Some people really live in fantasy worlds due to the propaganda or simply due to malicious intentions. I even saw people claiming much more outrageous things regarding WW1 and WW2.
There were and there are Serbs in Slovenia, in fact are the largest minority, but they were not as numerous as in Croatia and Bosnia (some people from Slovenia which are full or half Serbs are basketball players Luka Dončić, Zoran Dragić, Goran Dragić, Mayor of Ljubljana Zoran Janković, and many more). Secondly, neither Serbia nor the JNA attacked Slovenia but Slovenian guard with police and separatists attack JNA barrack and boys of different nationalities, including Slovenes who only served in the regular military service.
I'm guessing there are/were few Serbs living in Macedonia? Same as Slovenia?
The reason JNA threatened to invade Slovenia is because they started murdering soldiers stationed in Slovenia, even now the war crimes committed go unpunished because this was a western organized operation.
Half of Slovenians are ethnically Serbs but live there peacefully, Macedonians are Serbian brothers.
Croatia and Bosnia are less friendly due to historical issues
@goxyeagle8446 all south slavs are "serbs" as that is the original endonym used by all south slavs during and for a time after their migration south from what is now the Berlin region.
The only reason they now feel like different ethnicities is because of slight changes that occurred over histories living under different empires and different churches etc. Bosnians are literally Muslim serbs, croats and slovenes are catholic serbs 😂. Macedonian and Bulgarians are serbs who adopted the name of some conquerors but still very slavic and Macedonian are basically the Austria to Bulgarian Germany
Well also the croats attempted to ethnically cleanse the serbs also. In Bosnia it was really just a territorial dispute foremost
@@goxyeagle8446This is so NOT true. Some 4% are Serbs, and there are also Croats, Bosnians and Croatians with 2-3%. Altogether some 12% of population in Slovenia are people from ex Yugoslav republics.
A Bulgarian intervention and a much bigger conflict was also likely in this scenario. Bulgaria was the first country to recognize FYROM, which was meant to send a clear signal to Belgrade.
Бугарија да интервенира во такво сценарио?! И на вашата лудост и нема крај...
@@dragansimonovski4045 сакаш не сакаш читай - So, the reason is that Bulgaria wanted to protect our Macedonian brothers, thus has confirmed the sovereignty of Macedonian state and made Russia also confirm Macedonia, this all because Zelyo Zelev knew that wars are about to come, as it is very common when bigger confederated states are dissolving. In the latest declassified communication it is already known that the Serbs wanted to rush in and the Bulgarian Army, then one of the strongest on the Balkans, was on highest alert. Video of making Boris Yeltsin agree to sign the document to confirm the Macedonian State is literally available on UA-cam! Long live to our Macedonian brothers!
@@dragansimonovski4045Желев е думал на Милошевич дека влезне ли у македонско втора българска армия ке интервенира и окупира празна Сърбия все от България та чак до Ниш. Да си знаеш защо не е имало война у македонско баце.
@@dragansimonovski4045 POZDRAV ! ! Tatjana od MAKEDONIJA
@@batzerga како и секогаш во поновата историја (од 1900г навака), Бугарија неодлучно менува политики за важни прашања: предавството на Србија во Балканските војни, менување на страна во Втора светска војна, промена на политика и став кон македонското прашање после Втора светска војна)...
И 1990г и 2001г Бугарија е клучен играч за дестабилизација на Македонија, а благодариме и што ни ја уништивте последната шанса да си ја спасиме државичката со ветото во 2020г!
Ве молам престанете да ни "помагате" браќа!
Го сакам разумниот дел од бугарскиот братски народ, ама политиката и исперените мозоци ви се фатални за нас!
Great video, and im glad go see there aren’t many comments that send hate to us ❤
"The significance of the term 'Macedonians' has changed. The modern country called Republic of North Macedonia is populated primarily by people of Slavic origin [and related to Bulgarians]. The Original Ancient region of Macedonia (in northern Greece) was the land of a Greek speaking ancient ethnic group called 'Macedonians' - the people of Alexander the Great"
[Dr. Orvill Boyd-Jenkins, Anthropologist]
MAKEDONCI GOVORAT MAKEDONSKI JAZIK. @ ti pric'aj.... f f.
MACEDONIANS ARE MACEDONIANS. "you".... clown.
The best told history of my country by a foreigner I've ever heard. All very precisely explored to the point. True historian who sees the facts in the hay full of propaganda and fingered stories. Hope to see more of you
Many thanks. I made other videos about the country as well, for example during WW2.
@@HistoryHustle Try to find out how and why Albania got a piece of Macedonia in Bucharest Treaty in 1913. No one ever explained it
One of main reasons is Sllovens and Croats are Catholics Bosniaks are muslims Serbs are Orthodox and Mazedonians are Orthodox too.
Bulgarians are also orthodox, just to remind you. Even the first othodox slavs to be precise.
@@batzerga no you are not Slavs you are Tatars, Bulgarians are artificial nation 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@batzerga To be precise they were last since turkey was mostly influenced there also the big romani population.
@@batzerga
Are you saying that for real, funny guy 🤣
Bulgarians are Turkic Tatar Bulgar tribe led by Khan Asparuh and Kubrat (definitely not Slavic or Christian names) who settled on the Balkans after the Slavs in 7th century and they were pagans and later on they accepted the Macedonian Slavic language and converted into Christianity,
So it's pretty obvious that Bulgarians actually were assimilated by the Slavic nations around them, tho they weren't ethnically Slavic but belong in the Turkic-Mongol group of people
Pls do us & yourself a favor and educate yourself instead of reading and believing that greater Bulgaria, anti- Macedonian propaganda that you've invented and held even during Nazi and Communist Bulgaria,
You still don't even admit the reality of Macedonian nation and Macedonian people even in Bulgaria and the Holocaust and the genocide of over 10000 Jews and gypsys in Macedonia during the Bulgarian Nazi occupation!
And even today you don't recognize the 250000 strong minority in Bulgaria, especially in Pirin Macedonia! (Although at one point you admitted it in one of the first official Bulgarian censuses after WW2, during communist Bulgaria, but later on changed your mind and continued with the propaganda and falsification of historical documents)😢
"The national name derives from the GREEK TERM Makedonía, related to the name of the region, named after the ancient Macedonians and their kingdom. It originates from the ANCIENT GREEK adjective makednos, meaning "tall", which shares its roots with the adjective makrós, meaning the same."
Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, on Perseus
RNM is currently trying to piece together an identity from ancient Greek history, medieval/Renaissance Bulgarian history, and Serbian history in the 20th century. That leads to quite the strange results and quite the arguments.
@@erejnion And the Greek hating foreign scumbags that claimed them "Macedonians" evade to hide their mistake of recognizing them.
@@erejnion Oto make Greece before 190 years.
there is no "ancient greek".
Man, you are talking so much things, but do not mention maybe one of the main reasons: if Yugoslavia had attacked Vardar Macedonia, this would mean a war with Bulgaria, as this is what Bulgaria informed Belgrade is going to happen, if they attack. After Bulgaria recognized the independency of Vardar Macedonia (first country), Zhelev also convinced Boris Eltsin to do it, which helped the new nation and no blood was shed there.
It was Turkey that recognized Macedonia, not Bulgaria.
@@mihalybilbija5184 The first country to recognize then -Republic of Macedonia (now North Macedonia) as an independent state in 1992 was Bulgaria. Bulgaria officially recognized it on January 15, 1992, shortly after they declared the independence from Yugoslavia. Bulgaria's recognition is a well-documented historical fact, and it set a precedent in the region during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
1991 MAKEDONSKI NAROD oformi DRZ'AVA REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
@@petarmilchev5689 you didn't recognise the macedonian nation nor the macedonian language only the country so tatar go and celebrate han kubrat and remember never north only Macedonia
1991 REFERENDUM 95 % GRAGJANI rekoa REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA.
1991 MAKEDONSKI NAROD oformi DRZ'AVA REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
In addition to what you say I will add that:
The Seribian ambassador in Sofia was told the message “if the Serbian army goes to Macedonia then the Bulgarian army will go to Nis” Also, the first country to recognize the independence of Macedonia was Bulgaria. Then Bulgaria sends more than 100 tanks and other military equipment to Macedonia… Also, the Bulgarian President during that time asked Boris Yeltsin (who was on a visit in Bulgaria) to recognize the independence of Macedonia, which was done on the flight back from Sofia to Moskov from Boris Yeltsin.
You guys always treating with war should watch your own backyard than coming inside and treating another one's
@@jme5466Macedonia is the home of Bulgarians and Albanians. Wtf do Serbs have to do with it?
@@euphoriaggaminghd......
vo MAKEDONIJA 25 VEKA MAKEDONCI ! ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 monkeydonians don't exist, their slavic roots and language belong to bulgarians, and native albanians have always lived there
@@euphoriaggaminghd eat monkey _ _ _ .
Everything that was Macedonian, will be Macedonian again.
In your dreams, titovski vegetable
@@BgMasterGames Tito ? .... u titov endek.
Everything that is Macedonian, is actually Bulgarian and always was!
IN MAKEDONIJA EVERYTHING IS MACEDONIAN ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 And everything Macedonian is Bulgarian.
Nice video mate!
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@@HistoryHustle :spock_hand:
To be fair, everybody knew that if Serbia sends its army to Macedonia, Bulgaria will immediately intervene. Neither Serbia nor Greece nor anybody else wanted the Bulgarian army in Skopie.
Serbs didnt need to send Army to Macedonia JNA was already there. Croat, Bosnian Muslims and Macedonian deserted that JNA army only Serbs left in JNA.
why would bulgaria intervene? they do not recognize any aspect of our identity and they claim IMRO in 19th century fought for independent macedonia untill it joins bulgaria. So if anything they would attack us claiming our ancestors never wanted indepedent state
"Therefore a deserved country was vulnerable to outside attacks" Right there it is clear these are all Western talking points. Are you not aware that at that time Macedonia was just a republic who is a part of Yugoslavia?! What outside attacks from an army who is already present in Macedonia from 1945? And how they were vulnerable when YPA was present in Macedonia?! Yes TD did lost the weapons. But why the YPA took them? Because in Slovenia separatist forces took TD arms, created their paramilitary and armed police and started attaching YPA barracks and coloumns. Macedonia wanted to stay in Yugoslavia to the very end, but they didn't want to participate in a civil war, especially in a war far from their administrative borders. They made an agreement with YPA about the withdrawal of the forces, YPA left without a fight, and all Macedonian soldiers and officers came back in Macedonia peacefully. UN forces were deployed on a border with Serbia and Albania.
Another false claim is that the war didn't happen because there was no significant Serbian population. Well what do you know, in Slovenia there was also no significant Serbian population, yet that didn't stop the war right? Because Slovenians attacked the YPA who was already in Slovenia from 1945. The truth was that Macedonians didn't attack the YPA. They didn't import arms illegally like Slovenia and Croatia. They didn't create their paramilitary. And the most important think they didn't want a war, contrary to Slovenia and Croatia.
It is clear that when you say Belgrade you think Serbia. But that is another false claim because Belgrade was a capital of whole Yugoslavia. And who was in charge of Yugoslavia at that time? It was presidency - composed of members of all republic, federal executive council - composed of representatives of all republics and YPA - composed of the people from all republics. When you mentioned Šešelj or Arkan it is indicative that you portrait only Serbians as extreme nationalists. But such marginal people were present in all republics who were in charge of their paramilitary or volunteers, but you didn't bother to mention them.
All and all, very one-sided and biased documentary. Hope you will do better in the future.
Good story but the real reason Macedonia was not invaded is the Bulgarian ultimatum to Serbia if they send force Bulgarian army would enter Nish.
Haven't read anything on this. Any source on this?
Tatarland in the 90s had no control over its own territory. It was and still is rulled by criminal gangs. This statement couldn't be farther from the truth. Just some wet dream of a brainwashed nationalist.
Вода у очи немате татари.
*М А К Е Д О Н И Ј А*
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There was no partition of any Macedonia. There was a liberation of Ottoman-held territories by Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia. There is a difference between "partition" and "liberation."
The bona fide region of Macedonia is in Greece.
Greece did NOT want to divide that territory with Serbia as stated in this video. That is false.
MAKEDONIJA IS MAKEDONIJA. @ you in... rocks.
@tatjanavelkova5814 the letter "J" is a Latin letter. Try a little harder.
There absolutely was.
After the first Balkan War, all of Rumelia (European part of the Ottoman Empire) was annexed by Montenegro, Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece (and Albania was formed as a new country).
Rumelia at that time consisted of Thrace, Macedonia, Albania, Kosovo & Sandjak.
Macedonia was absolutely partitioned with the London agreement in 1913, the treaty of Bucharest in 1913 and the treaty of Neuilly in 1919.
Post WW1 territorial changes of the Macedonian land include the Yugoslav-Albanian border war 1921, inner Yugoslav regional border changes (establishment of the Banovinas), World War 2 partitioning between Bulgarian, Albanian and German rule, etc.
@@EagleProductionsMK Albania of 1912 was the Albania that remained after the partition that the great powers made in the London Conference of 1913
@@EagleProductionsMK Albanians had created their own autonomous and independent states during the Ottoman Empire before the creation of the modern Balkan states by world powers according to their geopolitical needs
The main reason Serbia do not intervene supported by Greece is that the Bulgarian prime minister at the time warned that if Serbia attack Macedonia Bulgarian army will cross the Serbian border. Dude if you want to make a realistic history learn the facts!
I dont get why Macedonia didnt have referendum of independence 500 years in Ottoman empire? Also I dont get who are immigrants living there today if that was Serbia before Turks and Serbia liberated it after Turks in 1912
They probably were, but the turks were big and whatever uprising had happend, they could shut it down silently (before it spreads on the territory).
There are apparently 365 churches in ohrid and most of them are hidden in caves, cause Christianity wasn't allowed by the Turks. All they could do is secretly keep the Christian religion and it has survived.
Many events are sang through macedonian folk songs which are not written in history (History is written by the Victor).
Do you hear yourself? Referendum in the Ottoman empire? That's just ridiculous.
@@BgMasterGames Why is referendum in Ottoman state ridicilous but in state made by Serbs in 1918, referendum 1991. is not ridiculous?
have you heard about ilindensko vostanie 1903?? serbia didn't liberate macedonia, serbia occupied one part of macedonia and the other two parts of macedonia were occupied by the tatars aka bulgars and yunans aka greeks in 1913
And where are "Macedonians" in Greek or Bulgarian parts of Macedonia? Do not exist. In Greece are Greeks in Bulgaria are Bulgarians. Only in Serbia we have to listen this lies from who know what immigranta, because area of today North Macedonia was before Turkish invasion Serbia, Serbs lived there, Serbs were owners of the land. So Serbs after Turks in 1913. only can be liberators of their ex land, not occupators.
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Many thanks for your donation James. All the best from Antwerpen 🇧🇪
The Greeks were right to be concerned about the name Macedonia, after all Belgium and Luxembourg have simmering border tensions over the Belgian province of Luxembourg which neighbours the Grand Duchy, when thinking about the risks, everyone is concerned that there may be an eruption of laughter.
M A K E D O N I J A name from GOD MAKEDON. before 30 centuries ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 easy with the pills for your mental illness there
Of course they had, a country that have done ethnic cleansing and Genocide for more than 50 years will try to do everything to cover the crap they did. Same like Turkey with the Armenians, Israel with Palestine and many other
where were these Greeks for more than two thousand years...?? why did they remember this thing only after 1990?....
and then according to Aristotle the term Greek Grakoi Graikhos it was a name originally used by Illyrians ("Meteorologica" I.xiv), what should the Albanians do then ? They should protest by telling the Greeks to change their name
Great video...
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6:28 using the Vergina Sun as flag didn't helped Skopje. Also, during WW2, it was proven that, with the help of a stronger party, territorial claims were indeed made against Greek Macedonia
Well, they used the Vergina Sun on their first flag
FLAG VERGINA SUN --- 25 CENTURIES MACEDONIAN ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 🇷🇸🇲🇰☝🏻☝🏻
territorial claims in ww2 were made by every ethnicity not fair to think modern macedonia post ww2 has any claims towards anyone. And i do agree about the flag, we have our own symbols used last 1000 years idk why they end up using ancient symbol it is a disgrace towards ancestors who fought with lions, crosses etc
ZNAME KUTLES' ( Vergina Sun ) e MAKEDONSKO 25 VEKA.
od FILIP KRAL IV vek pred ovaa era i denes XXI vek ! ! !
"In regard to their own national feelings, all that can SAFELY be said is that during the last eighty years many MORE SLAV Macedonians seem to have CONSIDERED THEMSELVES BULGARIAN, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skoplje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly RECENT growth, and even today IS NOT VERY DEEP-ROOTED."
[Elisabeth Barker, “Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics”. (originally published in 1950 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs), p.10]
As a Macedonian, good job on this video.
Glad to read. Thanks!
@@HistoryHustle They love your video because you left out they used to self-identify as Bulgarians, evade over their quick change into ancient Macedonians, and leave out mention of their ongoing irredentism. The comintern would approve.
@@HistoryHustle How about we all recognize western Germans as "ethnic Hollanders" as they produce maps as "united Holland"? Who cares modern Dutch identity is just a construct.
@@mydogsbutler vo MAKEDONIJA MAKEDONCI ! ! !
bulgari.. u tvoj kenjef.
Greece occupied Egeian Macedonia 1913, but one day they have to give it back. Greece is a newly created balkan state of 1831, by Otto, they have no connection to the hellenic tribes from ancient times, they just strive to connect themsleves with the hellenic tribes so that they can brag about some madeup history. Also, the hellens NEVER had a state, they were just some small cities, in war with each other. Hellens should not be confused with Macedonians, who were part of the MAcedonian Kingdom! The hellens hated the Macedonians and called them barbarians, didn't let them join the olympic games! Macedonia grew very strong under the rule of Filip 2nd and his son Alexander, they conquered the hellenic tribes with ease and enslaved them. Today, greece falsly claim that the hellens and the Macedonians were releated, which cannot be further from the truth, they were seperate people, Macedonians were barbaric warlike nation with a strong Kingdom that eventually ruled the world, while the hellens were small, divided tribes that NEVER formed a Kingdom, cause they were too stupid and greedy. And finally 1832 Greece has absolutelly no claim on the weak hellenic tribes from 2300 years ago, this is just some stolen identity and wishful thinking of an artificial new nation.
at the days of Alexandros your slavobulgarian culture language and ancestors were at least two thousand km far from Μακεδονία 🇬🇷.
And your slavobulgarian 🇲🇰 state was created at 1945, hundred and twenty years after Greece. Don't spread the results of your heavy brainwashing here
@@ΝίκΠαπ-ψ8η I don't know who are you reffering to minor asian guy, but you are probably thinking of bulgarians, you should leave them out of this convesation. unless you want to steal their history too.
@@Corsa15DT i'm referring to your west bulgarian fairytales you wrote above
A L E K S A N D A R and F I L I P -- MACEDONIAN NAMES.
English : PHILIP and ALEXANDER THE GREAT ! ! !
TL:DR Macedonia didn't have ethnic Serbs in it so they didn't care. Slovenia saw fighting because they tried to leave first so it was still the Yugoslav Army fighting to hold all of Yugoslavia together. Once everything fell apart Serbia let them and Macedonia go and focused on Croatia and Bosnia to seize as much ethnic Serb land as possible.
Macedonia is a big province of Greece. You should call it Republic of Vardar, or if you wish, republic of north Macedonia. Either way, I love and respect my northern brothers.
Yes, you are right the name is an old Greek name and also the flag is an old Greek one. But they call it Macedonia because of the area, rather than history. There is no dispute that Alexander the Great is a Greek for the rest of the world (except N. Macedonia, who used it as propaganda...)
@@andonrangelov8844 MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES ! !
Greece 190 years.
@vasilmirmidonski2740 Yes this is true, I call myself Bulgarian and yes we speak the Slavic language. Old Bulgarians spoke the Turk language, but the same is the case with Russians. They speak Slavic language but Russo is Scandinavian who made the first kingdom KyevRus in the very same way Bulgar made the first kingdom. However people in North Macedonia are not Greek and they speak the Slavic language, not like Alexander the Great who (and his family) were Greeks and spoke Greek….. Slavic come to the Balkans between 3 and 6 century A.D.
I also live in Thracia (area) but I am not Thracian :) You may check information about the “Odrysian kingdom” 431-424 B.C (the same time frame as old Macedonia ) and compare the area of the Kingdom with the area of modern Bulgarian 1:1 mapping, but we do not call ourselves Thracian!
@vasilmirmidonski2740 OK look, bela + zora is also the same in Bulgarian (бела зора) so for this I do not need translation : )
Slavic languages are Indo-European languages like Greece so they have a comment root. Some words may be the same but it does not mean it is the same people… It would be the same statement if you say that ancient Rome is English because some words are the same. Which is a wrong statement!!! For Thracian, it is even high speculative because they do not have a written language and they use Greek to write. Some historians say that Thracians are Slavs, but this is just pure speculation. I will be glad if Thracians are Slavs because they were living in modern-day Bulgaria, and then i can say they are old Bulgarians (but I do not think they are Slavs)…
I will give you another example the word “Буда“ (English spelling Buda) means wake up in Bulgarian (probably the same meaning in Macedonian) and in Hindi (also Sanskrit) it is “buddha” which has the same meaning, thus Bulgarian and probably Macedonian are Indians?
Of course, there are many other examples like this, but I am not an expert in languages.
So one need to specify when one language is different from the other, and normally it is when the two nations speak and do not understand each other (or they understand some percentage 90,80, 70 ..50 whatever). But there is no doubt that Alexander the Great was Greek, simply his teacher was Aristotle ; ) so they speak the same language (100% or 99% understand each other ….)
ANYWAY, if you go back 1-2 million years ago we all come from Africa and we have the same language : )
By the way, there are many Greek and Turkish words in Bulgarian language, I guess this is also true for Macedonian language. For example “Хиляда” in Bulgarian mean thousand and in other Slavic languages it is “тысяча” while in Greek it is “χίλια” . So are we Greeks?
Please don’t judge me for that. :)
Андон, Поздрав от Тракия до Македония ;)
@vasilmirmidonski2740 In correct written Bulgarian yes it is “Бяло” but in some parts of Bulgaria it is pronouns “Бело”. It is often that Я becomes Е Like “Мляко” (the correct written Bulgarian for milk) in many parts of Bulgaria is said like “Млеко” So if the stress is not on Я then it becomes Е. Dialects …. I think because our ruler during the communist time, Todor Jivkov used this dialect Млеко and Бело not to make him look bad the communist party allow as second official to be possible spelling.
The old Glagolitic alphabet is basically what Cyrillic and Methodius introduced as alphabet and the Cyrillic alphabet that you and I use nowadays is invention of Saint Kliment Ohridski. It is a kind of propaganda that Cyrillic and Methodius are the main characters where indeed the Cyrillic is thanks to Kliment Ohridski. This is a known fact but somehow the accent is still for Cyrillic and Methodius (not only in Macedonia but also in Bulgaria and in the rest of the Slavic world).
By the way the Bogomils movement is still present in Bulgaria nowadays, and I have some friends that are part of this movement. During that time of the year, Bogomils go high in the Rila mountain dress in white, and dance in circles.
I have been in Greece at the grave of Alexander the Great, of course the body of Alexander is not there thus difficult to say it is his grave, but there is such a tourist destination in Greece.
In Macedonia, I have been two times, in Ohrid and in Skopie. In Ohrid was very easy to understand the local people (especially the elderly population) in Skopie is not so easy to understand the local people (at least for me). I like Ohride very much and would like to come again in Macedonia, but I will wait till politics come down and Macediona is in European Union. But I see and speak with Macedonians every summer when I go to the Greece sea, basically in the north part of Greece there are a lot of Macedonians, Serbs, Bulgarians and Romanians.
Very informative 👌
“[FYRO]Macedonian nationalism, as distinct from other South Slavic peoples is, moreover, a relatively new concept, introduced and encouraged by dictator Josip Tito, upon the creation of a separate Macedonian Republic within the Yugoslav federation in 1946. Prior to this, the area generally known as Vardarska banovina (the district of the Vardar river) was considered simply an extension of its southern Slavic neighbors, either Serbians to the north, or Bulgarians to the east. Slavs arrived in the Balkan Peninsula only in the 6th century AD, and therefore have nothing to do with the well-known classical kingdom of Macedonia, which dominated the rest of Greece, the Near East, Egypt and Persia under Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE.”
Encyclopedia of World Geography, Volume 1, 2006, p.564:
greece is formes 1822 and has nothing to do with Macedonia or Macedonians 😂 you never existed before as a nation or country
@@GoceDelcevMKD "Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components-name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association-were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia.“
Anthony D. Smith (1998). Nationalism and Modernism: A Critical Survey of Recent Theories of Nations and Nationalism. New York: Routledge.p. 191
@@GoceDelcevMKD And the nobodies of history the northmonkeydonians? Nowhere to be found... 🤣🤡
@@GoceDelcevMKD "... the Greeks have by far the longest history of any other people in this book. The Linear B writings of the MYCENAEANS, dating from the middle of the second millennium B.C.E., show that they spoke a form of Greek that probably would have been somewhat intelligible to Greeks of the classical era. And from the time of the Mycenaeans and throughout Greek history TO THE PRESENT, the Greeks have been a very mobile people, trading and settling throughout the Mediterranean and in western Asia Minor and around the Black Sea."
Encyclopedia of European Peoples, 2006, Carl Waldman and Catherine Mason, p.342
@@GoceDelcevMKD And the nobodies of history the north fakedonians? Nowhere to be found... 🤣😂
Very good piece, Thank you. BZ.
How much impact did Kohl's push for recognition of Slovenia and Croatia and threat of sanctions have?
9:03 Greece never claimed territories, officially or unofficial, against North Macedonia
Are you joking?? How do you think today's Greece was created with the territories it has today?
@@lagjescuni5482 We formed in 1944 while the region of Macedonia was divided in 1912. So he is right Greece has no claimed land from socialist republic of macedonia nor republic of macedonia nor republic of north macedonia
@@NikojNisto-bd4to you forgot that original greece was just a small well created after revolution in comparison with today's greece...
@@NikojNisto-bd4to the ethnic and religious cleansing mase in greece that continued for more than a century let's pretend they didn't happen??
@@NikojNisto-bd4to the ethnic and religious cleansing that continued for more than a century let's pretend they didn't happen??
The answer is simple. YPA (Yugoslav People's Army) wasn't attacked, nor their barracks were surrounded and attacked. Macedonians never stiked on the other minorities in their republic...no one had anything against. There was constitution from '70s saying that any Republic may get out of Yugoslavia if other republics agree to it. Which wasn't the case with Slovenia for example. In Croatia on the other hand Croats and Serbs were equal constitutional nations and both had to agree so independence could go without problems..which wasn't the case because newly formed Croatian authorities put out immediately Serbs out of constitution and made them minority, Cyrillic alphabet was expelled and many Serbs in towns were expelled from their jobs or homes...like Zagreb (Zec family) or Zadar (Zadar's crystal night). In Bosnia and Herzegovina on the other hand, three nations were constitutional (which means non of them could be called minority) and by their referendum, Bosnian Muslims and Croats were for independence while Serbs were against. Those two decided to ignore the constitution, following Croatian example...and decided to over vote Serbs...which was against the constitution...and we know how tragically it all ended for all of them. Macedonia was lucky...until the Albanian started their armed rebellion in 2000s..
You do give a long story for a 'simple anwer'. History lies in the heart of the debate, things have always multuple causes. Please check the video.
cool video bro on macedonia
There was a proposal from the President of Serbia, Slobodan Milošević, to the Prime Minister of Greece, Konstantinos Mitsotakis, suggesting a simultaneous invasion of what is now North Macedonia, with the intention of dividing the country in two. However, the Greek side rejected this plan. This is corroborated by a testimony from Mitsotakis himself in an interview given in Greek. I believe this fact should also be taken into consideration.
BS....
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@@HistoryHustle You are a propagandist not a historian. You tell history through the lens of your politics much like the communists of Yugoslavia. An actual historian, with actual moral credibility, would point out they used to self-identify as Bulgarians, lie by trying to link themselves to ancient macedonians, and point out Greeks were right to object over irredentism (which you find on this very comment section).
MACEDONIAN HISTORY 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP ! ! !
Slovenia also did not have Serbian population yet they were attacked, while Macedonia actually has/had some Serb areas near the border. I just wanna believe Yugoslavia was too busy and in exchange for our military equipment they let us go. Some radical Serbs actually did propose Macedonia to be divided by Greece and Yugoslavia but thankfully did not happen. Also for 2001 conflict
Several historical inaccuracies in your video! You say "In 1913, historic Macedonia was partitioned between Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece"! Actually, the term "historic Macedonia" coincides with the term "the millennia old Macedonia" and that Macedonia is Greek and has nothing to do with the current "bulgaro-Slavic" nation of Northern Macedonia!
P.S. I am trying to answer the @everybodyknowsme 1504 comment below but my relative comment has been several times deleted. So, I re-write it here: "I am convinced that you are a troll promoting its own ag ee n dda because your UA-cam channel has no content, no members and provides no info on you..."
I’m convinced that they don’t teach history between 300 BC and 1900 AD in Greece. This comment alone shows that.
@@everybodyknowsme1504 I am convinced that you are a coward troll promoting an ag enda , as your UA-cam channel has no content at all and provides no info at all on you...
Please notice that Mr. or Ms. @everybodyknowsme 1504 has deleted my comment, so I am re-writing it here: "I am convinced that you are a cowardish troll promoting here your ag een da, because your UA-cam channel has no content at all, no members and provides no info on you! Thus, it is a fake account!
@@everybodyknowsme1504 Don't know why history between 300 BC and 600 AD bothers someone from North Macedonia anyways. Your nation did not even exist back then.
@@everybodyknowsme1504 I WISH YOU NICE YEAR ! ! !
Tatjana
"North" is politics name. Only politicians changed it. Macedonians still call it Macedonia. "North" is extremely disrespectful
To you I guess. The fact you're offended doesn't mean you are right.
@@HistoryHustle hahaha are you for real??? we the macedonians do not accept the 'north' bit because it was changed against the constitution and after the unsuccessful referendum so hence against the will of the macedonian people and at same time there was a successful referendum for independence of Catalonia but all of the EU ignored the will of the catalan people. you are very ignorant to make such a comment, where are you from? imagine if you are danish and we tell you that you are north german etc...
Then Slavic Macedonia not Macedonia because Macedonia refers to Greece both historically and literally.
@@Euro.Patriot no there is no slavic macedonia or greek aka yunan macedonia there is only one macedonia that was divided after the balkan wars in 1913 between serbia, bulgaria and greece, the greek yunaans never controlled aegean macedonia until 1913, hence they've changed the names of all the cities and mountauns and rivers and expelled many macedonian people but regardless they still call the macedonians living in aegaean macedonia as dopia or entopia which means locals or indigenous people, so did i enlighten you with this crush history course euro patriot. never north only Macedonia!
North Macedonia is Slavic Macedonia.
Slovenia and Macedonia left (rather) painlessly since Milosevic had no interest in them. The 10 day "war" in Slovenia was just an effort to save as much weaponry for the real conflict... and Macedonia was a liability even in Yugoslavia.
The real reason why Serbia didn't attacked Vardar Macedonia is because this would have opened a new front with Bulgaria and you know it.
I see.
Jebote, šta si se napušio?
brainwashed tatar khan kubrat descendant
Un autre très bon vidéo. Merci!
Macedonians were wise, unlike Slovenians who chose to leave first, they waited a little. Actually Slovenia had a very short war, in fact, it wasn't really a war. The JNA didn't really attack Slovenia, it was rather a state of tension for about 10 days, with some people dead especially in Jugoslav army. Slovenia, like Macedonia and Montenegro were the republics free of Serbs(or with very small minority), so normally, they were allowed to exit Yugoslavia. Montenegro did it in 2006, it was close to do it too, during the Jugoslav wars, like other republics, but the president of Montenegro was a very good friend of Milosevic (who on its turn was actually Montenegrin not Serb). In Croatia and especially Bosnia, there were many Serbs, and wasn't really this the problem, it was the special status the Serbs had it in both Croatia and Bosnia, unlike in other republics, in these 2 republics the Serbs were considered a Sovereign nation (not a minority), even if in Croatia the Serbs counted to less than 15% of the population. Montenegrins are actually Serbs, no difference between them, Macedonians are a mix of Bulgarians and Serbs, and Slovenians are some sort of Moravians (a Czech variation).
The idea that Serbians and Montenegrins are the same is quite relative and debatable. Montenegro was an independent kingdom from Serbia and previously a principality.
iInteresting? I'd say so - absolutely fascinating. I have a Greek daughter in law and have often wondered.....Wonderful explanaton. Thank you.
Until 1991 when macedonia became an independent state the word macedonia was forbidden in yunanistan aka greece. also the airport in solun aka thessaloniki was called Mikra and in 1993 they've changes to Makedonia, why they didn't change it in 1983 or 1963 etc...??the yunans occupied part of macedonia in 1913 and bulgaria another part and until 1913 the yunnas aka greeks never controlled agean macedonia that they control now. For your info the city of solun or as they call it thessaloniki now was the biggest macedonian city and also the brothers Cyril and Methodius that created the cyrilic alphabet are Macedonians from Solun aka thessaloniki born in the 9th century, this is just a small part of history for you. All the cities, towns, villages, mountains and rivers were changed in aegean macedonia after the yunnas aka greeks occupied it, solun to thessaloniki, kostur to castoria, voden to edesa, lerin to florina etc...don't fall for the yunan aka greek propaganda, they are the only country in the world without minorities created by germany, uk and russian with their first king otto from bavaria in 1829, where are their so called ancient greek dynasties lol why yunanistan has a flag of the east indian anglo-dutch trading company? because is a fake state. why they don't have a statue of alexander the great or his father philip in Athens? why they didn't use the flag of alexander the great like republic of macedonia did?
Serbia did not want additional Albanians (Macedonia then had about 450,000 Albanians), so Serbia let Macedonia secede....
Thanks for sharing.
Yet they desperately want kosova, I think Serbs need to be reminded that had they fought in Macedonia, Albanians and Bulgarians would end their country as they know it
@@euphoriaggaminghd Albanians are emigrating en masse from Kosovo and Albania.
So, we can say that the Albanians are withdrawing from the Balkans.
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The day of the liberation of Serbian Kosovo from the Albanians is approaching.
Comparison of censuses in Albania and Kosovo in 2011 and 2024:
Albania:
2011: 2,831,741
2024: 2,402,113
- 429,628
Kosovo:
2011: 1,739,825
2024: 1,586,659
-153,166
Total
2011: 4,571,566
2024: 3,988,772
- 582,794
@@MisterJovke millions of albanians still come here every year as part of diaspora lmao, you think suddenly albanians will just disappear? You are delusional buddy. Every balkan country is declining in population anyway, and so sre Serbs from kosova
For all our neighbours please leave us to live in peace we are Macedonian we love people’s in greece,bulgaria,serbia,albenia everything is political thing only to destroy our friendship ❤🇲🇰🇬🇷🇦🇱🇧🇬🇷🇸
You entirely forgot (or purposely ignored) Bulgaria's part in all of that, I wonder why?
The fact that Bulgaria was the first country in the world to take the crucial step in recognizing Macedonia's independence as a sovereign and further more had the balls to stand to Serbia and warn them Bulgaria will intervene if they dare invade Macedonia.
And yes, the threat was real given Miloshevic had threatened with "Blood to the knees if they don't join their new mini federstion". That is according to the words of a former Macedonian official btw, you can look it up.
Not only that, but Serbia and Greece offered to Bulgaria to partition and divide Macedonia between the 3 countries, yet Bulgaria declined.
In the end all we got is blame and mockerong fr[m the "nikogash" Macedonians of Skopje and at best in most case videos like this one which doesn't even bother to mention any of these facts.
@@MetalPhantom1984 Bulgaria - great power..
Well, that "mini federation" part in the question was why the referendum was a success in the first place wasn't it? Referendum questions in other republics didn't have that ambiguous part. They cheated on the population of Macedonia which is until this day very Yugo-nostalgic. Together with 20-30% population boycotting Macedonia referendum would never be "successful", especially not with "95% voting in favor". Both Macedonian and Albanian parts of the population lived very well during Yugoslavia. Also, Bulgaria IS mentioned for doing very nasty things in Macedonia doing WWII and a lot of modern day Macedonians remember stories from their elders.
yeah sure you deny our history, language and ethnic identity and u will protect us diplomatically lol. We see last 10 years what kind of policy u have towards us we do not need to look for 1991.
@@ilijaandrevski2749 "Also, Bulgaria IS mentioned for doing very nasty things in Macedonia doing WWII and a lot of modern day Macedonians remember stories from their elders."
Yes, bcs North Macedonia still blasts state anti-Bulgarian propaganda and hatred in it's schools to this day.
Much like North Korea does towards South Korea, despite in both cases the refugees fleeing towards the "evil brethrens" and not away.
Anyone can check and verify this, ever since the start of the liberation efforts all the way to the end of WWII the vast majority of Macedonians fled to Bulgaria the most. You can hate us all you want, but that fact won't ever change.
The aim of Bulgaria for Macedonia has always been freedom and sovereignty for it's ppl, even at the cost of their Bulgarian identity.
And today you have that, it's up to you how you use.
@@NikojNisto-bd4to "yeah sure you deny our history, language and ethnic identity and u will protect us diplomatically lol"
Whine all you want, but you wouldn't be a sovereign country if it wasn't for Bulgaria.
Greece and Serbia were ready to partition your territory. All Bulgaria had to do was say yes or stand idle.
As for the "history, language and ethnic identity" you know (or at least you should by now) very well that this isn't just a matter of simply acknowledging "your language", given N. Macedonia is serving as Russia's proxy in their attempts to lay claim over the Slavonic languages. Their attempt to brand it as "Ancient Russian" was reject by any respected linguist and scholar, then they shifted to the "it's actually Macedonian", despite literally every single author, even and especially the earliest ones explicitly stating that their "Macedonian dialect" which they wrote in was indeed part of the "Bulgarian language".
"Mirror" or "Огледало" is 1 of the many examples of this.
As for the history, if you mean the stereotypical examples like King Samuel or Goce, the Bulgarian historians told yours "Give us a single source, where Samuel is described as a Macedonian king and we'll accept your claims" and they couldn't provide even a single source, bcs there is none.
The claim has no basis and relies entirely on Yugoslav and Comintern propaganda and made up fictional history, like the non-existent "Komit Nikola inscription" where it's claimed that "the Macedonians were thanking him for fighting the evil Bulgars". This is only made more absurd by the fact that Samuel died of a stroke from the sight of the blinded soldiers HIS Bulgarian army by Basil II (nicknamed the Bulgar Slayer) who was of the (Roman, NOT the Ancient) Macedonian dynasty, started by a half Greek, half Armenian guy.
As for Goce, he wrote himself by his own hand and free will "си сме българи", which in N. Macedonia is claimed to be "him joking" (how and why exactly, it is never explained, just stated). It is yet another example of how your allergy and hatred toward anything Bulgarian, which you;'re are taught since the day you're born, prevents you to acknowledge even basic facts. Even the Macedonian historians don't deny that Goce was a Bulgarian. Your former president also stated it.
And last, but not least.
We are not "denying your identity", as I've mentioned, Bulgaria was the first to make the crucial step toward your recognition as a sovereign and a SEPARATE nation. And we still haven't changed our stance, even if we may have arguments about the language and history, your identity and right to self-determination is not being argued or denied.
At least we can agree on 1 thing, that you don't need to look back at the present, bcs you should be more concerned about your future given your current President statement that she "sees Serbs and both sides of the border... if there even is a border". Yet, you remain blinded by your hatred towards Bulgaria which is the only thing you see.
As the Bulgarian saying goes, "каквото сам си направиш, друг не може да ти го направи (причини)".
6:30. Now that’s something I could never understand. Greece is a large country, with a NATO trained army whereas small Macedonia has like 1000 lightly armed soldiers…
We have 50 k at the moment bruv , and if greece attacks macedonia ever turkey would get the reason to intervene in some way against greece
@@nikolanedelkovski-ui9me but it looks like Greece is afraid of Macedonian attack, which is insane
That's not the problem tho ,the problem is the exodus and the genocides commited by the greeks during the Macedonian struggle ,balkan wars and the Civil War + renaming the cities ,villages from Macedonian to Greek they were afraid we will support some kind of uprising in the Aegean to reunite the Aegean part with the main part
@@andrejivanov7145uprising in the Aegean?There are 2 million Greeks in Aegean Macedonia and 50.000 Slavic speakers,what kind of uprising?Also those Slavic speakers believe themselves to be Greek and hate north Macedonia more than us Greeks
@@KonstantinosXatzipanagiotidiss Pontic Greeks that came after the exchange * even your professors admit that ,I mean you gotta have Trauma after what IMRO did to your criminal bands during the Macedonian struggle
A well known fact is that Bulgaria recognized Macedonia first, right after the independence was proclaimed. A not known fact is that Bulgaria sent ultimatum to Yugoslavia: if the Yugoslav army attacks Macedonia, Bulgaria will immediately declare war. You may check this.
Aren't they after all the same people?
@@danieljordanov You did not fared well with previous declarations of war against Serbia , you know that?
@@robrob9050 It did stop the Yugoslav army, right? No war with Macedonia occurred, although the army was already situated at the Northern border of Macedonia...
Btw. which war with Serbia are you referring to? 1885 or the Second Balkan war?
@@danieljordanov 2nd Balkan war, WW1 and WW2.
@@robrob9050 So what about them? All were won by us on the battlefield and lost on the diplomatic field. Check your data/history sources. 2nd Balkan war finished not because Serbs won on the battlefield, even with the support of the Greeks, but because Romanians invaded us from the back. WW1 and WW2 were similar scenario. Most of the times we were winning in the battles and losing on the diplomatic table ;)
Intense relations between Bulgaria and Serbia in the past. Just for you to have the whole picture, check the war of 1885: Bulgaria was invaded, just because it proclaimed the Unification ;)
You omitted likely the most influential factor: the UN peacekeeping mission Operation Able Sentry which placed US boots on the Macedonian border that essentially meant any Serbian attack would constitute an attack on US/UN soldiers and escalate the conflict. It was a major roadblock to Serbian military movement.
Interesting to read. Do notice this operation was in the summer of 1993, two years after Macedonia left Yugoslavia.
Probably because Macedonia isn't worth fighting over.
Yeah right, that's why two balkan wars started in an attempt to divide Macedonia :))))
Ask Bulgaria and Serbia