I find it hilarious how the vid starts with Eric making a joke about how the commenter spelt bongcloud, only to spell it wrong himself in the video title
"I'm a cat toy that can't be eaten" - Eric Rosen 🤣 . Also , the prophecy must not be fulfilled probably refers to Eric not wanting to play a 150 move game . The game lasted 130 moves .
@@Jason-sq2up The developers were playing around with Mittens' level, so it was at some points far below its usual strength. That explains Nemo's win for sure and probably Ben's as well. Bok just played amazingly though
Jonathan Schrantz has beaten SF without help before, there are lines in the Stafford where you can convince it that its winning when you actually basically have a fortress. The same thing should be possible against Mittens
Yes Eric this is what we wanted to see Bonk the damn kitten on his head of the Anger that people have after getting their soul being taken as they started the match thinking 1 elo
Very similar to the game I played against Mittens. I played the first 15 moves entirely on my own (no dodgy openings, just played it like a normal game) then let Stockfish take over my terrible position. Eval was about -3 for Mittens at this point, and SF got it back to 0.0 Then had about 100 moves of shuffling back and forth and trading some stuff in a completely drawn position, and eventually drew by repetition in KP v K endgame after 146 moves. Tedious playing it out, but interesting. Seems like SF can overcome a 2.5 to 3 eval disadvantage to get a draw.
I took a class once on AI for chess engines, and Mittens' refusal to accept a draw in the endgame here reminds me of the wonderfully-named "Contempt Factor", where you artificially decrease the evaluation of a draw against opponents you expect to be vastly superior to (such as human players), in the hopes that your opponent will play sub-optimally and screw up the drawn game. Without a contempt factor, the AI is usually fairly willing to accept a draw if it thinks it's inevitable (imagining it playing against itself). I suspect that that's what Mittens is doing here, but I'm not certain of what's standard in these modern engines. For example, if Mittens is using an endgame tablebase, it knows for a fact that the game is absolutely drawn from a mile away. But I'm not sure if using endgame tablebases for human-facing bots is considered too rude. One subject that class never covered was how to make our chess engines fun to play against, rather than as strong as possible.
Mittens does use a endgame tablebase, but that's not relevant here. Tablebases are for perfect play. Mittens is playing against a human who doesn't have a memorized tablebase. If Mittens has a high contempt factor, it's going to extend the game, hoping for the human to blunder the rook.
holy shit this thumbnail hahahahahah omg I haven't even watched the video yet. I clicked the link solely and exclusively because of that incredible thumbnail image.
I don’t know the opening but a while back I saw penguin doing something like. Pawn G3. Knight h3 eventually to F2 the F pawn somehow pushed to F4. And the light square bishop got to G2.
Can we see your thoughts on something like a Breyer or Chigorin? A nice, classical Spanish with your commentary would be excellent. I really miss your non-dubious days
It basically makes it a case of 'Can Stockfish beat Mittens with two move odds and without casting rights?'. Interesting, but it would have been more fun to try and see if Stockfish could hold on with the king on e2 for longer.
Hey Eric! Just wanted to let you know that using MultiPV (having SF show multiple lines at once) causes it to lose elo. So if you want it at full strength, make it show only one line.
My first day starting chess and I'm very confused. A machine kitten playing another robot and a bongcloud is involved. If a human, press 1. bots, don't read that!!!!
Please do not take this "suggestion" seriously, but if you're going to continue using Stockfish against Mittens, it might be funny to see g4 or the Tumbleweed on Move 2 of Bird's Opening. -I just played both suggestions against Mittens without any engine help, and of course got obliterated (in single-digit moves during the g4 suggestion, but I did make it to Move 25 in the Tumbleweed).-
I’m probably wrong but in all the Hikaru videos I’ve watched (many), 3. Ke1 was never played. In other words it’s not really a bomgcloud or bungloud or bumproud or etc.
Eric trying to find the 1 blunder in a video about playing bongcloud against an engine was very funny.
20:35
When bongcloud is brilliant move.
Clearly it's a book opening
It's theory
Didn't expect to see you here 😅
Eric: [Plays Bongcloud]
Also Eric: "Wait, where was the mistake?"
bong cloud is a book move
@@EGS3586 but a mistake book move
I find it hilarious how the vid starts with Eric making a joke about how the commenter spelt bongcloud, only to spell it wrong himself in the video title
Maybe it's UA-cam thing against using the word bong in the title?
Before Eric fixes this, it says "Stockfish BONDCLOUDS Kitten"
@@tomflanagan878 I don't think so, Hikaru has a lot of bongcloud speedrun videos.
There's only one opening and it's mighty Mittens opening. Obey me the real Lord of kittens! 😺 I mean meow of course hehehe.
Yeah because he'd never do that intentionally, jokes don't exist
I don't think it's in the spirit of the Bongcloud to just move the king back the next move. You have to use the king!
"I'm a cat toy that can't be eaten" - Eric Rosen 🤣 . Also , the prophecy must not be fulfilled probably refers to Eric not wanting to play a 150 move game . The game lasted 130 moves .
It'd be cool to see a minimalist run-- trying to see the lowest number of times you need Stockfish's help to win a game against Mittens.
Ben finegold already won against mittens without any help
@@elJas123 Nemo and Benjamin Bok did as well. And probably some others I'm unaware of
@@Jason-sq2up The developers were playing around with Mittens' level, so it was at some points far below its usual strength. That explains Nemo's win for sure and probably Ben's as well. Bok just played amazingly though
@@elJas123 oh sorry, meant would want to see from Rosen.
Jonathan Schrantz has beaten SF without help before, there are lines in the Stafford where you can convince it that its winning when you actually basically have a fortress. The same thing should be possible against Mittens
The entire human race now roots for Stockfish
I'd love to see Stockfish against Mittens in Danish Gambit from one of your recent videos. I'm curious what attacking ideas will Stockfish have
There's no such opening that could defeat me Mittens the all mighty! 😼 I mean meow. Hehehe
Only one could defeat you... Your old brother Mittens! Fight me Mittens. I mean meow 😾
Dont cry now kitty, accept your defeat
@@EvilMittensOfficial It will only take one
skadoosh from my mighty paws to defeat you Evil Mittens! 😼 I meant meow meow. Hehehe
Wait, something sounds fishy...
@@MittensOfficialThe CCU (Chess Cinematic Universe) is about to get its “Endgame” of M3GAN vs. Mittens.
I would love to see some Evans Gambit! It would be very entertaining to see some attacking chess
Actually nice example how crucial good endgames skills are, from lost position to draw just like that!
let’s goo I’m so happy to see you actually played the bongcloud and it’s crazy to think that mittens had such a hard time converting
Would be really nice to see this with Stockfish truly being able to crunch the numbers for a long long time. I'll bet it could win with Bongcloud.
Try the accelerated bongcloud, you don't push king out but you just refuse to castle and walk the king around the rook.
Just shows you what a monster stockfish is.
Yes Eric this is what we wanted to see
Bonk the damn kitten on his head of the Anger that people have after getting their soul being taken as they started the match thinking 1 elo
Very similar to the game I played against Mittens. I played the first 15 moves entirely on my own (no dodgy openings, just played it like a normal game) then let Stockfish take over my terrible position. Eval was about -3 for Mittens at this point, and SF got it back to 0.0
Then had about 100 moves of shuffling back and forth and trading some stuff in a completely drawn position, and eventually drew by repetition in KP v K endgame after 146 moves.
Tedious playing it out, but interesting. Seems like SF can overcome a 2.5 to 3 eval disadvantage to get a draw.
"I am a cat toy that can't be eaten"
- Eric Rosen, International Master, 2023
The Bongcloud Prophecy: the Fish of Stock shalt illuminate the path of salvation for humanity to thwart the Bot of Mitten.
I'd like to see stockfish vs mittens with mittens up 4 tempi (Nf3, Ng1, Nf3, Ng1 from stockfish in the first four moves)
Cloud. Bond Cloud.
I took a class once on AI for chess engines, and Mittens' refusal to accept a draw in the endgame here reminds me of the wonderfully-named "Contempt Factor", where you artificially decrease the evaluation of a draw against opponents you expect to be vastly superior to (such as human players), in the hopes that your opponent will play sub-optimally and screw up the drawn game. Without a contempt factor, the AI is usually fairly willing to accept a draw if it thinks it's inevitable (imagining it playing against itself). I suspect that that's what Mittens is doing here, but I'm not certain of what's standard in these modern engines. For example, if Mittens is using an endgame tablebase, it knows for a fact that the game is absolutely drawn from a mile away. But I'm not sure if using endgame tablebases for human-facing bots is considered too rude. One subject that class never covered was how to make our chess engines fun to play against, rather than as strong as possible.
Mittens does use a endgame tablebase, but that's not relevant here. Tablebases are for perfect play. Mittens is playing against a human who doesn't have a memorized tablebase. If Mittens has a high contempt factor, it's going to extend the game, hoping for the human to blunder the rook.
holy shit this thumbnail hahahahahah omg I haven't even watched the video yet. I clicked the link solely and exclusively because of that incredible thumbnail image.
I don’t know the opening but a while back I saw penguin doing something like. Pawn G3. Knight h3 eventually to F2 the F pawn somehow pushed to F4. And the light square bishop got to G2.
Eric+Stockfish: it's time for tactics
Mittens: that's what she said
Can we see your thoughts on something like a Breyer or Chigorin? A nice, classical Spanish with your commentary would be excellent. I really miss your non-dubious days
I think it's against rules to unbongcloud later, you could move to other squares but not just back, especially in few moves
Agreed. I feel like it’s not in the spirit of the bongcloud to move the king back….
Ndeed, The Bondcloud opening 20 pages long book doesnt allow Ke1, always defend the F3 with a King
It basically makes it a case of 'Can Stockfish beat Mittens with two move odds and without casting rights?'. Interesting, but it would have been more fun to try and see if Stockfish could hold on with the king on e2 for longer.
saving the knight *knight instantly killed*
I wonder if Stockfish would have won if you had played only the top moves in the middlegame as well instead of going for interesting lines
I would like to see you play the King David opening? It's like the bong cloud, but the king switches places with the queen on the 3rd move for white.
"Name is Bond. Cloud Bond"
You should try running the mosquito gambit against Mittens. How bad does the opening have to be for Mittens to crush Stockfish?
shout out to you teaching me that loosing my queen could be my best game ever
Clearly engines need to be more human like in recognising hopelessly drawn positions and offering draws.
comment: bomgcloud
this video title: bondcloud
actual opening: bongcloud
Hikaru needs to talk to the developers about updating the analysis tool. Bongcloud is never a blunder.
Hey Eric! Just wanted to let you know that using MultiPV (having SF show multiple lines at once) causes it to lose elo. So if you want it at full strength, make it show only one line.
He does know that but he wants the option to pick interesting lines
Earlier: Why is everyone so bloodthirsty against a fluffball
A few moments later after I played mittens…
Now: yes yes yes
my names cloud, bondcloud
I love bomgclouds
I’d love to see the crab opening against Mittens.
My first day starting chess and I'm very confused. A machine kitten playing another robot and a bongcloud is involved. If a human, press 1. bots, don't read that!!!!
It usually sounds like "minz" when you say "Mittens", so obviously you should play the Minzowitsch.
Its no fun when you pull out the king on the third move already
Please do not take this "suggestion" seriously, but if you're going to continue using Stockfish against Mittens, it might be funny to see g4 or the Tumbleweed on Move 2 of Bird's Opening. -I just played both suggestions against Mittens without any engine help, and of course got obliterated (in single-digit moves during the g4 suggestion, but I did make it to Move 25 in the Tumbleweed).-
Next you have to play the hyper aggressive version: 2. Ke2 followed by 3. Ke3 (or really anywhere on the 3rd rank)
An opening from the book of blunders.
"Im a toy cat that can't be eaten" -Eric Rosen, 2023
Great you're getting a kitten high in a bag
Anna Rudolf got Mittens to give a 3 fold rep
Now you need to play one where the king must stay on e2 until the endgame
I want to see mittens crush a Kiro Kihn
Can we see a dragon I know they’re mythical but for a kitten that travels through reality they must exist somewhere
If mittens is using a randomly adjusting elo algarithum from 2400--3400 it makes for a brilliant concept and a good excuse 😉
Shoutout to Eric in the Past playing Mittens!
Best thumbnail ever!!
Why does bro say “mins”
Greetings, Eric ! I am from the future and I am watching this video ! Happy new year !
I saw Eric, I died.
f3 and kf2 is the real bongcloud
call the bondulance
Thanks for being such an entertaining cat toy. Try further not getting eaten!
eric inspired me to beat an 800 with the bongcloud
I am from the future, and currently watching this video on youtube
bong, james bong
top tier thumbnail
CRAB OPENING
krazy kat oppening
It's so dumb that I know this mittens campaign is just marketing, but I am clicking every video either way
The cat in the thumbnail is so cute lol
please play the Wayward queen attack
I love bondcloud opening
Oh yes. Bondcloud. Good spelling you got there.
The names Bondcloud. James Bondcloud.
Intercontinental Ballistic Missile
Hand a brain with stockfish would be great
Very, very cool!!!
Yoo shout out to past mittens and Eric. I'd say hi to stockfish but do fish even care about people? Probably not.
You shouldn’t have moved the king back . But gg
I like the crab opening
Absolutely demonic thumbnail!!
Tennison Gambit
11:36 Rh7 winning back a pawn?
You should play the bird opening. Or the grob
Bomgcloud, Bondcloud, Bongcloud, same difference.
bomgcloud
Stockfish: Top move don't play bongcloud
You have the best thumbnails 🫡
Lobster opening pls (g4 h3 b4 a3 on white)
Shout out to past Rosen.
This was a funny video. I laughed many times.
I’m probably wrong but in all the Hikaru videos I’ve watched (many), 3. Ke1 was never played. In other words it’s not really a bomgcloud or bungloud or bumproud or etc.
Crush Mittens with the stinky dink turnaround!
Nakhmanson Gambit!
7:49 Wouldn't Nb5 fork be a good move tho?
Mittens losing to a Benoni would be nice
when chess played perfectly its a
please play a Halloween gambit against mittens
Can you try the Kf2 or Kd2 variant of the bongcloud?
playing Ke1 is like taking back your bomgcloud... ;-; stoner king wants to be on f2