Going by the monster telling Ciri: "You cannot change fate." "You cannot change anything." Geralt is most likely dead. Like a lot of people are saying, Geralt wouldn't allow Ciri to suffer the trials, he's probably not there to stop her because they killed him off.
@@arturius9715 I'm just backing up @krlt9481. I don't personally know either way. Though, it would fit with how these woke writers write their sequels.
@ I respectfully disagree. CDPR began development of 2077 back in 2012, that’s a long time ago in video game years. Most of the concerning stuff that I’d point to has happened in the past few years. That and Pondsmith was the creative lead for 2077 and he’s got no part of W4 obviously. There’s stuff coming out every day about their employees saying Ciri is a vehicle for feminism. Anyway, IMO, the overall context is much different this time around.
@@Python_Bacon Its development began in 2016 while most of the W3 team were on Blood and Wine. It was a long ways off with plenty of time change narratives.
@@arturius9715 No, it was not, stop the bullshit. Their corruption got so bad that most of the original devs left and created their own studio, Rebel Wolves, while others moved at Warhorse Studios.
I was trying think what was odd about Ciri, then it hit me, she looks like a women who has had plastic surgery when she was young and now her face is static.
My problem with it, is that they just made her into Feralt. Instead of either having her keep the powers or make her preform the trial of the grasses in this game. And don't get me started on that fighting for women rights in that world, she was/is the heir to the most powerful empire in the world in one of the endings, and she choose to run around in the woods hunting monsters.
I wasn’t too worried due to how incredible CP2077 & Witcher 3 story & writing was. Until I read the stuff their new DEI writer said & I am skeptical now.
Lets see... CD Projekt Red embracing Division-Exclusion-Indoctrination, reducing Ciri to an actual Witcher as opposed to embrace her elder blood heritage and be her own character, and most important of all, a urinalist-turned-lore master wanting to punch gamers and gaslighting them for being fans of Cyberpunk. There is a reason why people are negative over Witcher 4, and I am more and more a believer of not giving money to those who hate you.
"-reducing Ciri to an actual Witcher-" That's my main problem with the entire game. _The Child of the Elder Blood: Part 1_ It even sounds cool, but CDPR have ZERO faith that this character can stand on her own.
The reason why women can't be witchers has nothing to do with magic. Its that after Yenn or Triss (I don't remember which) mentions that nobody knows how the witcher mutations will effect a woman, then its a really stupid idea to use them on Ciri.
In the game's lore a man named *Alzur* tried to use the Witcher mutations on 38 women. None of them survived it. This suggests that the chances of women becoming Witchers is either extremely low or impossible.
@madarpauser2133 but this is the trope which usually used throughout the media. Like Drizzt from DnD being a good drow. Vampires that are not afraid of light. Neo being the chosen one. And so on. So Ciri will be woman witcher. Not a big deal
For me it's not Ciri's new design nor the lore changes. It's them hiring activists that want to punch gamers. They already proved to be liars with Cyberpunk 2077 and they are going to change Witcher 1 remake so I have no reason to trust them. They aren't the same company that made Witcher 3 anymore than Bioware is the same company that made Veilguard so I don't trust them therefore I won't support them regardless of overall quality. Too many red flags and burned bridges to support studios that hire people that hate us.
The change to W1 is basically making it an open world lite as opposed to linear. How is that a bad thing? It wasnt the W3 team that made Cyberpunk either and that game along with its dlc was very good.
@@arturius9715 I'm guessing they're talking about the sex cards you collect throughout the game like pokemons, they'll probably remove them As for Cyberpunk 2077 there were devs from the Witcher 3 that worked on it but they left in between or after the launch. And fun fact, the game was "saved" and improved with new hires, alongside modders too that are still actively making mods and keeping the game alive (probably more than the Witcher 3).
OOoh yeah that list of planned changes to Witcher 1 had made me rage. I've already saved a GoG copy so I have the legacy game protected... Because of COURSE the first thing they listed to "get rid of" was the "problematic side quests and card game". I'm sorry, I have boobs so there's got to be SOME authority on my side... I LIKE the card game. I'm FINE with my RPG characters visiting brothels. I WANT the OPTION. Sex work is NOT shameful so why are they removing it wholesale?! I'm so mad. So mad..
They 100% completely changed the shape of her face (her skull) to make her look less attractive. I'm not the type that NEEDS "hot" characters, but it is a red flag if a developer has a hatred for attractive characters, enough hatred to actually UGO-FY a previously beautiful character. That means they have a gospel and a dogma they are following.
They did not. Stop lying to yourself. First of all, she is incredibly attractive. Her bone structure is basically a 1:1 copy. her iconic straight browline and high cheek bones framing her eyes are the same as well as the forehead and pointy chin with a classic and aesthetic V shape female jawline. Look closer. There is only one frame in the trailer where the lighting does not favor her features, with harsh 45 degree lighting in the sun. You've never seen Ciri of W3 in such lighting with deep dark shadows in her face because the engine has not been able to cast such defined shadows. I don't know where you get your beauty standards from, and I seriously hope you do not think all women look like 16 year old instagram girls. The 35 year old Ciri in the trailer still meets many beauty standards.
Here's how I've started explaining it: Consider Dudu doing an impression of Ciri, with his 1 eye missing... Now, what - exactly - would you need to do to Dudu, in order for his impression of Ciri to land at this thing? Points if you can answer the question in a way that doesn't include: fire acid or a near-infinite deluge of frying pans
The problem is that the explanation for Ciri surviving the Trial of the Grasses as an adult woman ("Ciri is superhuman") already holds the reason why it makes no sense for Ciri to undergo the mutations in the first place. Ciri has a large set of special powers and it was established in The Witcher 3 that Ciri goes on The Path as a Witcher using these powers instead. Of course, these would have to be nerfed from her status as a demi-goddess in TW3 for the sake of game progression. We see none of these here. Instead, we are shown abilities that up until now Ciri shouldn't be able to use: Witcher potions and elemental school magic. I doubt that there is any story under the sun that would make this a better concept than continuing with what Ciri had been in The Witcher 3. And if we think about why a company like CDPR, of all people, desperately wants to add some "transformation story" to this character we should be seriously worried.
In Kaer Morhen they started her on some herbs and elixirs, never intending for her to go through the full trial - deadly as that was - and even those herbs and elixirs were enough to have negative effects on her, according to Triss. I can't remember if it was because of the elder blood, because she's female or a combination of both.
@@nuhre Yes, she now basically is "Geralt, but with titts". I am a huge Ciri fan and play every game that has mod that allow it as Ciri, like Baldur's Gate 3, Dragon Age 2, and even XCOM2. But this one has the appeal of something rotten to me.
@@nuhre On the other hand i can totally understand why Ciri would want to get rid of her powers. Every magical entity worth their weight in salt, that Ciri runs into, over the course of her life seems to immediately know exactly what she is and devises some sort of horrifying plan to kill, mutilate, sexually assault, etc. her. If undergoing the mutations is risky, but allows her to live life on her own terms... well, that seems like there's potential motivation to do that. She's the result of a multi-generational breeding experiment by a shadowy cabal of wizards who desire her for something. Her own father conceived her under false pretenses with that in mind, murdered her mother, and then wanted to do incest with her. Interdimensional elves repeatedly try to kidnap her and sexually coerce her into having a child with them. Her adoptive mother's friends demand for her to be married to the heir of a king for dynastic reasons. Some of those are solved, but at a pretty high cost- her entire family has to stop and fight a titanic set-piece battle and her uncles get got at a frankly unsustainable rate. If you don't save Lambert that's three in one game with Vesemir and Crach en Craite. There's a lot of incidentals too- she runs into Brokilon as a kid and Queen Eithné immediately has her pegged and wants her brainwashed. She runs into some intergalactic unicorns, and they debate a summary execution because of what she is. She teleports into a random forest clearing, and a weird hermit knows she's special and wants to do cannibalism and necrophilia. Teleports into a random swamp, and three mystical Hags want to eat some of her before giving her to other pursuers. That seems like a pain in the ass, maybe roll the dice and mutate your DNA into something that's not useful to all these fucking weirdos.
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my guess with elder blood is that perhaps she lost most of those powers when she stopped the white frost in witcher 3, most prophesised destinies like that require a sacrifice to end a threat something of that magnitude and now that the prophesy is over , elder blood and its powers are no longer needed ? as for the trial of grasses maybe this new lynx school found a way to research a better way to introduce mutagens to a humans body , especially for an adult , who knows lets wait and see
Having read the entire series of the Witcher books, I hope you enjoy them when you get to read them yourself. I found them to be exceptional dark fantasy unlike any fantasy books I have read before. The trilogy of games created by CDPR is like a love letter Andrzej Sapkowski's books. They pick up where the books end, bringing both new stories and a fascinating retreading of a few of the plots in the books. I recommend checking the first couple of games as well. They are so well-made, and they will round out the experience of the books and the third game.
I got to relate to your opinion, I am willing to give CDPR a chance if they address Ciri’s Elder Blood is the reason behind her surviving the mutation process. But the implementation of DEI writing practices within the studio are a 50/50 gamble if they find a way to make it work like God of War Ragnarock, or if it will be more stereotype bait like VeilGuard. Before the DEI standards, we had great representation of LGBT characters and various races of characters in Cyberpunk2077 because CDPR addressed them as people first, but now with the devs seeming to attack anyone critical of the Witcher 4 trailer (the potion Ciri used or the fact they replaced her actress) that are nowhere near the same complaints of the “face” coomers, it leaves me concerned if they went overboard.
If she has her teleport skill using that in could be fun along with all her other powers combat wise could be fun. Hope the story is written well but will have to wait and see
I share your concerns here. The trailer itself would be fine if it weren't for what we've heard from and about CD Projekt Red as a company since ~2023, and the nature of some of the changes which are clearly being made -- for example: the School of the Lynx medallion that Ciri is wearing comes from an AU fanfiction rather than from the novels, and the fact that they're using fanfics as cannon is concerning, especially considering their current "loremaster". Then there's her appearance, which on it's own wouldn't bother me as the appearance of each character has changed from game to game, but the specific changes here are very much in line with current "woke" corporate politics which does cause me to raise an eyebrow. If you're curious about lore in general, the best breakdown video's I've seen are from the youtube channel "Wera", which is mainly a book channel rather than a gaming channel, but she's huge fan of the novels and has videos discussing the differences in lore between the books and the games and Netflix series, as well as the books on their own.
Geralt is the main man in the books canon and games, But now he because of the ending of witcher 3 game, he is being sidelined and girl boss replaced by an ugly ciri. Ciri is cute and badass and I enjoyed playing as her in witcher 3, I even brought the game guide book that includes illustrations of all the main characters, And let me tell ya the art is fantastic and the women are all beautiful. Look up Ciri's face in witcher 3 and then look at ciri's face model in witcher 4. It's night and day. And the reason why I said girl boss 'sigh' is because no female can become a full fledged witcher according to the book canon, also ciri has elder blood which makes her overpowered mary sue when it comes to magic and time manipulation. I know she is older in witcher 4 but why is she ugly? I love women and beauty is subjective indeed.
For me its the people behind the team thats got me concerned. I've been hearing insane stuff the lore designer been saying. From them wanting to punch games to calling gamers that play Cyberpunk 2077 fascistic, predatory, poisonous, unempathetic and so on. The writing is gonna be the number 1 issue I am concerned about.
@@magicrealms2824 Sure hope people do not dig through every thing I posted online some time ago and take it out of context. And btw, he is not THE lore designer. The lead story designer also worked on W3 and Phantom Liberty. The Narrative Director Philip Weber started at CDPR writing quests for W3. It seems more like people looking for something confirming their bias that every industry is out to drape rainbow flags over your screens.
@@Llanovanya85 Even if he is not the lore designer, they have said enough of things thats got me concerned. Changing Ciri into a Witcher is a odd decision. Plus the comments they have made on Twitter is a giveaway on whats the writing is going to have in it. Its enough for me to be concerned.
@@magicrealms2824 Have you watched the interviews with Sebastian Kalemba and Grosia the Exec Producers? And the ones with Philipp Weber the Narrative Director? For me they sound like they truly understand what people are asking for and pay respect to the lore. And of course they know how to write and instruct writers because they worked on W3 and Phantom Liberty, which are no compromise classic CDPR titles. It's fine to be concerned and wary, especially with praise way before launch or even pre-orders. But within the community crying DEI, "modern audience" and "woke", all I see is hysteria and people getting so triggered that they wanna boycott a game that's 3 years from release... Regarding Ciri as Witcher. It's all too natural. Ciri never wanted to have her powers, she always saw them as a curse, the reason why all her life she was a pawn of the mighty and had to flee. The Witcher mutations however have only benefits for her. She'll not be the bearer of destiny, she'll have the resilience to fight monsters, just how she wanted. I'm staying optimistic and I see no evidence why I should not be.
Ciri could have been so much more than a basic Witcher! no disrespect to Witchers but she had a whole different story. Making her a Witcher reeks of lazy writing, that they simply wanted to utilize existing game mechanics by giving some lame explanation that she went through the trials successfully because of her abilities. That she "can do what men do". Boring, annoying and such a waste potential. Also I didn't like that they gave her fuller cheeks as if she eats a ton. If she makes her money as a Witcher she is not supposed to eat much. As for her being bi, wasn't she groomed by some woman in a gang that Ciri joined because she was basically trying to survive as a young girl alone in a post-war world where not only food was scarce but also it was simply dangerous not to have a powerful protector? I remember this story as being quite bothering, because I understood that Ciri had no choice and that her psyche just adapted to the situation. Way to make her a lesbian.
Having the most powerful person as the protagonist is a whole other set of problems... It can get very Captain Marvel obnoxious if you are not careful and on the other side of the coin she can feel like a pedestrian if you try to have her on the classic heroes journey... Which she most definitely is not...
I'm so torn about this one. I'm worried about CDPR, they've been slipping BioWare Style since a year or so before Cyberpunk came out. I don't have faith in them any more than I have in current BioWare or current Obsidian or current Ubisoft.. or current MOST AAA studios lately. I *hate* what the devs are doing on socials at the moment, it's Veilguard and Avowed all over again. That said, the cinematic looks good. Ciri looks good. I hate that she's a full Witcher with a passion, but I can deal with that eventually. What I REALLY hate is that they've gaslit their customers saying "they have been laying the seeds for Ciri to be the next protagonist since Witcher 3" when they literally gave us CHOICES about what she becomes at the end of the third game. Only ONE of those choices was for her to become a Witcher, and it was NEVER a discussion that she'd take that final trial, she was just going to hunt monsters with her natural abilities. I don't give a shit about the 'female witcher" thing, because like it or not, the contracts were renegotiated in 2019 and more lore was introduced. The angry fans screaming about it being "fanfiction" can dislike it all they want, but it's still here. It's not going anywhere. The interview where the author said it was "disgusting" was long ago and he's given more interview with more nuanced discussion many times since that interview. The TV series has happened. The Author has done a lot of interviews since the Witcher 3 and said he used subtext and left things out of the books that he felt he couldn't include because of the time and country he wrote the books in. That included queer characters and female archetypes... and there's also the TTRPG that has Cat and Manticor schools who had (exceptionally rarely) successfully mutated female witchers. So from that aspect, it's 'unorthodox', but it's not "forbidden" like a lot of the hardcore fans of the OG books say. I'm just worried that the devs are pulling out a LOT of lines that mimic almost word for word, the writer for the Netflix series. If they are going down THAT route, I'm so uninterested it almost hurts. Ugh I'm just a ball of conflicting feelings about this one and I will NOT be playing it until there are many full clear reviews post release. If it looks great, I'll buy it then.
I'm not going to judge game until I see proper gameplay and I'm not buying until it releases anyway. In trailer the village and villagers have familiar slavic feel to them with no forced diversity. That and CDPR's previous games experience has earned them the benefit of the doubt.
I don't really mind Ciri passing the Trial of Grasses. It does bother me knowing that they only did that because they can't STAND having there be something only a man can do. They HAAAAATE that, and that's THE REASON they're making Ciri pass the Trials. However, it's not logically too hard to believe that her Elder Blood would allow her to survive it. I do hope that one of the skill trees in the game IS her Elder Blood, and that she isn't just a copy of Geralt.
I am not too bothered that they chose to make Ciri a witcher. It is a choice in the witcher 3, and granted in lore it is an extreme rarity - but it has been done (even though no one is clear on why it has worked in those rare instances). I can only hope that they lean into the idea that her elder blood has helped her survive the trials, but only time will show 🤷🏻♀️ What concerns me more than anything is the company its self. And the changes that the company has gone through since Witcher 3. Cyberpunk is a good game but that dreadful launch and the horrid state of the game at launch is still a very fresh memory even though they were able to get the game in a beyond playable state. The signs aren’t in CDPR’s favour though… can only hope that they rather surprise us than disappoint us, but I am not holding my breath.
I think it's sadly hilarious how people go at each others throat about Ciri. I'm no friend of todays western game politics at all but when there is a woman who deserves to be a female lead in a video game than it IS her. As a book reader I can definitely say it doesn't break the lore from what we have seen here, there is no line that stated a female witcher would be a impossible thing, so there is room to make new stuff up for her story in the game. It has to be written in a sensible way of course, but to judge about the game how many many people did after just one trailer, is pretty sad. To make the story focus on fighting sexism makes actually sense, too. Considering that the witcher world IS besides sorceressesses and a few side characters very traditional and medieval. The question is only if the devs can distinct between modern politics and ingame while writing about it? That is the only thing that concerns me a bit... but it is important in my opinion to beware some credibility and only judge something when there is actual reason to do so for the trailer is actually pretty good imo. I know the current state of CDPR is questionable but still, I heard contrary things about it, good and bad. So I think they deserve the benefit of a doubt at least until we know more.
If fighting sexism was what her main goal, she was the heir to the most powerful empire in the World, what will she do now? go around villages and say " bad man, no sexism". But okey they really really need her to be the PC so why do you not make her go though the trial of the grasses in the first game?
Crazy to me how people that are hating on Witcher 4 have literally no idea wtf they are talking about. Havent read a single book or played any other game besides W3.
At this point, The Blood of Dawnwalker's trailer looks more like a Witcher game than The Witcher 4, but I really hope CDPR doesn't make the same mistake as Bioware.
Here's how I've started explaining why I have - zero - faith in this game: Consider Dudu doing an impression of Ciri, with his 1 eye missing... Now, what - exactly - would you need to do to Dudu, in order for his impression of Ciri to land at this version of Ciri? Points if you can answer the question in a way that doesn't include: fire acid or a near-infinite deluge of frying pans
cant wait to see you playing the witcher 3+dlc! blood and wine is my absolutely favourite books is pretty good too (except moments of policy for 30 pages i guess lmao) 100% recommend
as for TW4 - i also have concerns, BUT. lets hope it'll be nothing like the story with DAV. racism/sexism/extreme violens and rudeness were always part of this world, and i hope it'll stay as it was
I do not care that Siri is the new main character honestly kind of like that idea but after seeing what the new lore master thinks about gamers It is the biggest red flag I may have ever seen.. Do not have much hope for this one
As always I will wait for full launch and anticipate nothing. Trusting corporate game devs will get you rainbow onions on all the burgers. It's one thing to retcon lore to provide a much asked for playable Ciri, it remains to be seen if CDPR is willing to destroy their franchise for the sake of a miniscule "modern audience" and DEI like EAWare did.
Oh bloody hell. Here we go again. Like many people here, I thoroughly enjoyed The Witcher III and the books. To be totally fair, one can argue that Ciri, not Geralt, is the main character (she has more pages than Geralt, and most, if not nearly all of the books’ events besides short stories focus on her). But, I’m beyond sick and tired of this DEI garbage being shoved everywhere. I’ll acknowledge that I have immediate family members who are gay, and I work with trans people. Live and let live. But there’s an old saying: if you’re making something for everyone, you’re making something for no one. Forcing DEI into games doesn’t work. Look at Avowed and Veilguard as two examples. Veilguard alone was aimed at a ‘modern audience’ that either never showed or doesn’t exist! I would love nothing more than to see this game succeed. But there are red flags already that are making me nervous. It’s good to see you back Nuhre!
Unfortunately CDPR is an EU organization and is required by international mandate to implement DEI practices. As a company they literally have a legal obligation to be involved with it.
@ No way? I didn’t know that. Here in the States, we have DEI principles in the workplace as well. My big problem with it is that people who “benefit” from it may have the qualifications for the job, but many of them end up wondering if they got the job for their qualifications or their skin color. It shouldn’t be this way.
It's obvious that CDPR, in my opinion at least, doesn't care about the fans. They don't care about the lore. They have an agenda. They deliberately ignored the books, twisted the information there AND ignored precedent established in their own video game adaptation of it. Not only that, but it appears, once again in my estimation, that they uglified Ciri. In Witcher 3 Ciri was a gorgeous woman, but here they brought the "avert the male gaze" hammer down upon this beloved character. That trailer rendition was not the Ciri people got to know. CDPR, in my estimation, is heading the way of Bioware and will ruin The Witcher like Bioware ruined Dragon Age. Buyer beware.
I believe CD Projekt is smart enough not to push woke DEI mental feces. They have learned hard lessons with Cyberpunk and have had to work for over a year to get back on a good stand with their fans.
My problem with it, is that they just made her into Feralt. Instead of either having her keep the powers or make her preform the trial of the grasses in this game. And don't get me started on that fighting for women rights in that world, she was/is the heir to the most powerful empire in the world in one of the endings, and she choose to run around in the woods hunting monsters.
The existence of tweets and other nonsense from the developers where they're saying they wish to commit violence on the companies own customers is all the proof people need that this game will have its potential squandered. They will use the project, the IP and the hype of their consumers as a Trojan Horse they can use to insert a personalized "F U" to the players.
After seeing the whole trailer, I think people are overreacting to how Ciri looks. They took look weird looking shots out of context. I'm more concerned with how reckless Ciri was being. She was taught better.
She looks like she's been beaten with the ugly stick. An older woman that was beautiful when young doesn't magically get ugly. This is just another modern message.
@@nuhre Exactly. She's being reckless, and Vessimir and Geralt taught her better than that. That's my concern now. But there may be a story reason she's acting that way.
The Witcher didn't start just as a videogame, so lore is very important, if not that world/universe could be broken and they should call their new games saga whatever they want except "The Witcher" 🤷♂️
Don't care what anyone says, character design wise I like her new look, waiting to see what she looks like in the game. Just hope as a character she won't become Geralt 2.0 but her own interesting character and explination for her passing trial of grasses will be good enough. And it's fine to improve trial of grasses, worlds lore shouldn't be stagnant.
I have given this some thought and this is my reasoning for my skepticism for witcher 4. For a company to openly broadcast dei the way cdpr did knowing full well this will not go down well signals to me that the personnel currently employed at cdpr will not be able to craft a product specifically a story which does not push dei politics. Its sad but even if there are employees against dei or a game director with great ideas when taken as a whole the company has already told us what they stand for. CDPR could have easily employed dei without broadcasting it but the fact they did is illogical and tips the scale towards skepticism.
idc what kind of weak explanation CDPR is gonna give about Ciri being a witcher, mutations and all. what we know girls and trials of the grasses = 100% mortality rate. adults and trials of the grasses = should be close to 100% mortality rate. What we know is they only did it to very young boys because their bodies were more malleable than adults bodies, still in the process of changing and growing. Adult bodies aren't, and as such the trials would be even more deadly for them than for children. It's possible that adults aren't capable of surviving the trial of the grasses at all, let alone at the three out of ten rate that young boys survived. Then we know that both Geralt and Yennefer would NEVER allow her to do it. It's stupid and unnecessary to die in order to get powers that are already way below the powers she already possess. About the people calling her "ugly" idk.... they must have extremely high standards, cuz she looks fine af. My only gripes are lore wise and the new former journo they hired who hates white people and gamers in general.
Actually, with space marines, the augmentations and the whole process is not compatible with women. The Geneseed for example, is made for men, it was stated in lore many times the process is just incompatible.
Ciri's defo giving that angry lesbian vibe. Why she didn't speak with the villagers and explain to them that she'll fix their problems and instead gets angry at them when they do stupid after Ciri interfers with their worst fears? Side note, it's my first time seeing someone grow bigger nose and mouth from aging. The little sings are there :)
You seem to have a very common-sense position on CDPR, I like it. They have clearly made some poor choices so this game will be a true test of their integrity. If we see them changing their hiring practices over the coming years, there may be a chance for this to be good. Regarding female Witchers... apparently the books never explicitly say that women can't be Witchers. Their absence is likely because it's such a dangerous process for a physically demanding and lonely lifestyle that there is no real reason for women to even want to try it. So if it's not a contradition, finding a way for Ciri poses no real narrative problem. I prefer to play as Geralt, but if the game is well designed and the story is engaging I could embrace any protagonist. If anyone is wondering why the protagonist of any Witcher game (Ciri or not) absolutely has to be a Witcher, it's surely because all the gameplay elements are so Witcher-specific: The silver sword; the blade oils, potions and bombs; the collecting of ingredients and schematics for upgrades; the monster contracts; the tracking; the meditation, etc, etc... None of that makes sense for a mage or even a normal warrior. Unless you're a Witcher in this world, it would feel nothing like the other Witcher games and probably be quite restricting.
I'm super tired of women in action RPGs just being put into previously established male roles in that universe. And here they even do it with a character that was already established following a different path, wtf? It always feels intellectually lazy and like the devs aren't actually interested in a female protagonist as a character set in that world. I'd rather play Yennefer or some farmer wife with five children than the one exceptional woman who became a witcher.
Exactly, no problem with female leads in the Witcher world at all. My issue is how gross Ciri looks, don't want to stare at that face for hours and hours. They are not interested in making a game with a feminine woman as the lead they just gender swap Geralt and turn Ciri into a poor imitation of him and call it a day. Lazy, ignorant and insufferable devs and I hope this game ruins them.
Not a fan of this move. The Lady of Space and Time had cooler powers than a Witcher, they should have made a story about that if they were going to continue with Ciri. And she will, in all probability, be a Girl Boss. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
After DA: The Veilguard I was so worried they'd screw the tone and writing up with this too. It's another AAA fantasy game after all. Everything I saw here alleviated my concerns. Also Ciri looks hot, which I did not expect from a big western studio. Let's wait until the game comes out of course, but as of now I'm happy. There's definitely still talent in the company which isn't replaced by DEI checkboxes.
Respect being honest. I feel like people are being too reactionary to a single trailer. Of course, i wouldnt pre-order it or anything, but i think a lot of people upset by this trailer would do well to take a break from social media or something. I wont get it because i never finished 3 and im pretty burnt out with dark fantasy ips over the past few years
Ciri looks good in the trailer, but i'll never forgive themfor making her a witcher, and if she doesn;t have her elder blood magic.. wtf? they actually nerfed her, as always by trying to make her a girl boss, they end up making the characters weaker.
I don't mind her being the protagonist, but why make her a witcher? She is practically a demigod. I will just treat this as an entirely different game and play it, assuming they don't go too deep into identity politics.
Man, my comment seem to have been deleted by UA-cam. Sad. But I'll just TLDR my point. Ciri as an ACTUAL female Witcher reeks of D.E.I and reeks of the same stink as is with games like Veilguard, because it essentially boils everything down to the same, lazy and canon breaking decisions as games like that. Literally in the first like chapter of Ciri's, the Witchers and Triss's introduction, Ciri being introduced even to the herbs of the Witchers was enough to incite a major conflict between Triss and the Witchers because o the survival rate of the trial. Like, really, anyone with a function brain risk a gambling odds of 1 in a million? And as people said, the explanation of "Ciri is superhuman" is a terrible explanation because even that contradicts previous games, let alone books. She is super human but she ain't immortal, undying or anything like that. So the idea of her willingly going under the experiment on an absolute miniscule chance? Yeah, that's not Ciri. Even she ain't that dumb.
it makes no sense,why make her into a witcher she was already the most op character in the world except for maybe the elder vampire and some 1 or 2 mages
@@Llanovanya85 so a better solution is to go with the trial that only 30% of boys survive and no woman has ever survived and to still be hated for being a mutant?
@@mkapidzic6408 A better solution would be to find unique factors and or methods to increase the survivability first. And then yes, as Ciri always wanted to become a witcher and loves doing it because she can still change the world, she can still stand up for the downtrodden and for justice and be resilient and powerful enough to do so. Ciri is no princess who needs to be liked by everyone. Meet her at Corvo Bianco, she even confronts the smelliest of Gharkains and seems to wanna keep going :-)
@@Llanovanya85 she was already a Witcher. Nobody had any problem with that. But why would anyone willingly allow her to undergo the trial of grasses that no one but 30% of young boys survive? That's just a terrible and dumb idea and just more lore break. No, sorry, lore assassination.
The Witcher 3 expansions are arguably better than the base game, especially Hearts of Stone. As far as Witcher 4 is concerned; The Blood of Dawnwalker > Witcher 4.
My fear is simple…. That this game is going for a Mary Sue journey… I prefer having a new Witcher that you can create from scratch (Female or Male) Zero hope with CD Project Red… DEI is so present on they site… RIP mostly for me.
Hey shills, yeah you, the people that keep defending this game and CDPR. Let me tell you something, this is not the same CDPR that made the original Witcher trilogy anymore. The original devs already left the company after the Cyberpunk disaster. They went to Warhorse Studios, and some of them formed their own studio named Rebel Wolves. They are replaced by activists, and yes, the new witcher game is made by these activists, not the original devs. Activists only want to implement their agendas in video games and make them the main focus instead, nothing else. They only care about their ideology, they don't care about you, and they will never change. So the "just wait and see" or "I believe in CDPR" type of comments are useless. As long as these activists in the company still there, there is no hope for gamers except for those "modern audience" that are not even 1% of world population.
For years, we've had female protagonists, and no one really cared. But now someone has given it one specific word, and some people start becoming triggered little snowflakes. And what someone who's now working at CDPR said about gamers a few years ago isn't a good thing obviously but so what. I'm excited for the witcher 4 whether it's woke or not regardless. Either way I'm still excited about Ciri being a protagonist literally. I'm not defending CDPR, but this type of behavior over females in video games is just pathetic. We need a balance when it comes to male and female protagonists
@@nuhre I understand that. But some people are judging an entire game based on one cinematic trailer. The game is still in development. I'm not going to focus too much on all the negativity. I judge games after playing them from start to finish. Not the other way around
I just don’t understand why they made her so much weaker. Like she was one of the most powerful being in the games. And they kinda downgraded her to a basic Witcher.
Witchers stopped using the Trial of Grasses because of the horrific toll and few results. Like hell Geralt and Yennifer would allow Ciri to go through it, Elder blood or not.
Witcher 3 is my favorite game of all time. Witcher books are among my favorites as well. I loved the trailer and I am very optimistic about the game. I have not played cyberpunk 2077(but heard that release was bad) but all witcher games were great. So I trust CDPR for now.
Let's keep it simple: CDPR is a skin walker full of rainbow kin. Rebel Wolves is a new company created by The Witcher 3 and CP2077 veterans. If I were you... I'd keep my sight on RW, best of luck to them.
Yeah, you should read the books, maybe you will come to the conclusion you were worried for nothing and a bunch of people concerns about the lore and the fact she always wanted to become a witcher are simply wrong (and maybe replay The Witcher 1,2 & 3^^).
@@nuhre Ok my bad! 😉 But it make even less sense... because people who lead the entire project, worked on The Witcher 3 (on Cyberpunk too) and are huge fans of The Witcher franchise. So thinking they will butcher this franchise for "weird" reason make absolutely no sense.
@@lekillerfou You don't know what you are talking about or actively lying. The creative leads for the Witcher 3 are now gone and CD Project Red are a shadow of the company they once were. They are actively pushing DEI hires which means they prioritize race/sex over skill and talent. They have dropped the Red Engine because the people that made it have left and now they move to a new engine that they can hire low talent people straight from university to work on it. Ciri looks like she has spent the last 20 years smoking 40 cigarettes a day getting plastic surgery and botox, taking testosterone and getting mauled by bears daily. Noone wants to play as a scarred up grandma and I've read ALL the books. I dont care that Ciri is the main character I care they made her so ugly I don't want to look at that on my screen for 100 hours or more. Zero faith in CD Porject Red anymore they are not the same company of the past.
Yup, I don’t have hope for that one. Even without the ideological poisoning, I never liked the ending where she becomes a Witcher. Didn’t bother me before cause that was just an end to what I thought was the end of the series.
I love the witcher, regardless of what's going on or what may happen I will play it and judge it for myself and I'll either be happy or cry but I'll still play it lol. I doubt they can fuck it up harder than Veilguard
Sadly CD Project have said clearly that the most important for them is woke and carbon footprint and the points this give them. But if it turns out that Witcher 4 is just as good as 3, i am willing to play it. But because of all the woke propaganda, i will only do it if they pay me 10 dollar to download it. That is the prize i take to accept their bad political propaganda that i am immune towards, but that is extremely irritating.
Jesus this comment section is full of simps. Are you really complaining that Ciri is ugly? You all.nust be perfect then, show us your pictures and we will be the judge.
I mean, Ciri was not meant to be the next protagonist? For me is just the natural step forward, not a big fan of the lore but she has powers too and yara yara, crazy for me people talking about the books when the creator did say he do not agree on CD vision 100%.
@@belegarironhammer3200 The CDPR you know is gone? Not entirely true. While the company has evolved, it continues to bring in fresh, talented minds, including modders and young scriptwriters who are shaping its future. Enthusiasts like Halk Hogan, whose work on The Witcher 3 HD Reworked Project was officially recognized, and many other passionate creators have been invited to join CDPR's ranks. The studio might have changed, but it's far from gone-it’s now a blend of experienced veterans and new talents who keep the spirit of creativity alive.
@@belegarironhammer3200 No, that's my opinion. There are many young fashion designers in the company who did not work for the company, for example Nikodem Poplawski, Philipp Weber, Andrzej Kuc.They worked on mods and scripts for The Witcher 2. I will protect this company and believe in it. Even in the trailer there was a lot of melancholic Slavic sadness . There is no DEI here.
All the devs left because the company got too woke, they made their own companies. Also Ciri shouldn’t be a Witcher even with elder blood that doesn’t change her biology or that she is human. The trail of grasses etc would still kill her and there should be no way for her to even become a Witcher since the method was destroyed The Witcher 4 is cooked just trust Nuhre
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Geralt will get the Joel treatment lol
They're gonna portray him as an inept buffoon and show how much better Ciri is as a Witcher.
@@Immopimmo now that would be suicide.
Going by the monster telling Ciri: "You cannot change fate." "You cannot change anything." Geralt is most likely dead. Like a lot of people are saying, Geralt wouldn't allow Ciri to suffer the trials, he's probably not there to stop her because they killed him off.
They've already said he's in the game. CD Projekt isnt as dumb as Naughty Dog and will not kill Geralt. That would be brand suicide.
@@arturius9715 "In the game" to die would fit both of your assumptions.
@@marchmelloow why is there a theory that he will die? Where is that coming from?
I've not read the books but from what I understand eventually Gerralt suffers mortal wounds and dies with Yennifer on a magical island.
@@arturius9715 I'm just backing up @krlt9481. I don't personally know either way. Though, it would fit with how these woke writers write their sequels.
CDPR has been completely ideologically captured. Over 500 hours into W3 and over 400 hours into CP 2077, my hype level is pretty low for W4.
The whole ideology social contruct was already in place in the company for Cyberpunk and nothing screamed unbearable wokeness in that game.
@ I respectfully disagree. CDPR began development of 2077 back in 2012, that’s a long time ago in video game years. Most of the concerning stuff that I’d point to has happened in the past few years. That and Pondsmith was the creative lead for 2077 and he’s got no part of W4 obviously. There’s stuff coming out every day about their employees saying Ciri is a vehicle for feminism. Anyway, IMO, the overall context is much different this time around.
@@Python_Bacon Its development began in 2016 while most of the W3 team were on Blood and Wine. It was a long ways off with plenty of time change narratives.
I am in the exact same boat
@@arturius9715 No, it was not, stop the bullshit. Their corruption got so bad that most of the original devs left and created their own studio, Rebel Wolves, while others moved at Warhorse Studios.
I was trying think what was odd about Ciri, then it hit me, she looks like a women who has had plastic surgery when she was young and now her face is static.
My problem with it, is that they just made her into Feralt. Instead of either having her keep the powers or make her preform the trial of the grasses in this game. And don't get me started on that fighting for women rights in that world, she was/is the heir to the most powerful empire in the world in one of the endings, and she choose to run around in the woods hunting monsters.
I wasn’t too worried due to how incredible CP2077 & Witcher 3 story & writing was. Until I read the stuff their new DEI writer said & I am skeptical now.
Many of the Devs have left too. I recall reading that some of them went to Warhorse.
check out The Blood of Dawnwalker it by the same guys from the Witcher 3.
Lets see... CD Projekt Red embracing Division-Exclusion-Indoctrination, reducing Ciri to an actual Witcher as opposed to embrace her elder blood heritage and be her own character, and most important of all, a urinalist-turned-lore master wanting to punch gamers and gaslighting them for being fans of Cyberpunk. There is a reason why people are negative over Witcher 4, and I am more and more a believer of not giving money to those who hate you.
"-reducing Ciri to an actual Witcher-"
That's my main problem with the entire game.
_The Child of the Elder Blood: Part 1_
It even sounds cool, but CDPR have ZERO faith that this character can stand on her own.
The reason why women can't be witchers has nothing to do with magic. Its that after Yenn or Triss (I don't remember which) mentions that nobody knows how the witcher mutations will effect a woman, then its a really stupid idea to use them on Ciri.
amonsgt a lot of other stupid decisions people do in real life and in this fantasy world this is pretty tame
You know what else was never done before it was, heart transplants.
In the game's lore a man named *Alzur* tried to use the Witcher mutations on 38 women. None of them survived it.
This suggests that the chances of women becoming Witchers is either extremely low or impossible.
@@RemOmni Something you more than likely have no need to worry about.
@madarpauser2133 but this is the trope which usually used throughout the media. Like Drizzt from DnD being a good drow. Vampires that are not afraid of light. Neo being the chosen one. And so on. So Ciri will be woman witcher. Not a big deal
For me it's not Ciri's new design nor the lore changes. It's them hiring activists that want to punch gamers.
They already proved to be liars with Cyberpunk 2077 and they are going to change Witcher 1 remake so I have no reason to trust them.
They aren't the same company that made Witcher 3 anymore than Bioware is the same company that made Veilguard so I don't trust them therefore I won't support them regardless of overall quality. Too many red flags and burned bridges to support studios that hire people that hate us.
The change to W1 is basically making it an open world lite as opposed to linear. How is that a bad thing? It wasnt the W3 team that made Cyberpunk either and that game along with its dlc was very good.
this is the result of said activists so why dont you have a problem with it?
@@arturius9715 I'm guessing they're talking about the sex cards you collect throughout the game like pokemons, they'll probably remove them
As for Cyberpunk 2077 there were devs from the Witcher 3 that worked on it but they left in between or after the launch.
And fun fact, the game was "saved" and improved with new hires, alongside modders too that are still actively making mods and keeping the game alive (probably more than the Witcher 3).
OOoh yeah that list of planned changes to Witcher 1 had made me rage. I've already saved a GoG copy so I have the legacy game protected... Because of COURSE the first thing they listed to "get rid of" was the "problematic side quests and card game".
I'm sorry, I have boobs so there's got to be SOME authority on my side... I LIKE the card game. I'm FINE with my RPG characters visiting brothels. I WANT the OPTION. Sex work is NOT shameful so why are they removing it wholesale?!
I'm so mad. So mad..
Don't forget their ESG video, which has now vanished. 🤔
They 100% completely changed the shape of her face (her skull) to make her look less attractive. I'm not the type that NEEDS "hot" characters, but it is a red flag if a developer has a hatred for attractive characters, enough hatred to actually UGO-FY a previously beautiful character. That means they have a gospel and a dogma they are following.
They did not. Stop lying to yourself. First of all, she is incredibly attractive. Her bone structure is basically a 1:1 copy. her iconic straight browline and high cheek bones framing her eyes are the same as well as the forehead and pointy chin with a classic and aesthetic V shape female jawline.
Look closer. There is only one frame in the trailer where the lighting does not favor her features, with harsh 45 degree lighting in the sun.
You've never seen Ciri of W3 in such lighting with deep dark shadows in her face because the engine has not been able to cast such defined shadows.
I don't know where you get your beauty standards from, and I seriously hope you do not think all women look like 16 year old instagram girls. The 35 year old Ciri in the trailer still meets many beauty standards.
Here's how I've started explaining it:
Consider Dudu doing an impression of Ciri, with his 1 eye missing...
Now, what - exactly - would you need to do to Dudu, in order for his impression of Ciri to land at this thing?
Points if you can answer the question in a way that doesn't include:
fire
acid
or a near-infinite deluge of frying pans
The problem is that the explanation for Ciri surviving the Trial of the Grasses as an adult woman ("Ciri is superhuman") already holds the reason why it makes no sense for Ciri to undergo the mutations in the first place. Ciri has a large set of special powers and it was established in The Witcher 3 that Ciri goes on The Path as a Witcher using these powers instead. Of course, these would have to be nerfed from her status as a demi-goddess in TW3 for the sake of game progression.
We see none of these here. Instead, we are shown abilities that up until now Ciri shouldn't be able to use: Witcher potions and elemental school magic. I doubt that there is any story under the sun that would make this a better concept than continuing with what Ciri had been in The Witcher 3. And if we think about why a company like CDPR, of all people, desperately wants to add some "transformation story" to this character we should be seriously worried.
In Kaer Morhen they started her on some herbs and elixirs, never intending for her to go through the full trial - deadly as that was - and even those herbs and elixirs were enough to have negative effects on her, according to Triss. I can't remember if it was because of the elder blood, because she's female or a combination of both.
I wished they had just focused on her abilities instead of making her another Witcher.
@@reignmans IIRC it was because the herbs were suppressing her puberty
@@nuhre Yes, she now basically is "Geralt, but with titts". I am a huge Ciri fan and play every game that has mod that allow it as Ciri, like Baldur's Gate 3, Dragon Age 2, and even XCOM2. But this one has the appeal of something rotten to me.
@@nuhre On the other hand i can totally understand why Ciri would want to get rid of her powers.
Every magical entity worth their weight in salt, that Ciri runs into, over the course of her life seems to immediately know exactly what she is and devises some sort of horrifying plan to kill, mutilate, sexually assault, etc. her. If undergoing the mutations is risky, but allows her to live life on her own terms... well, that seems like there's potential motivation to do that.
She's the result of a multi-generational breeding experiment by a shadowy cabal of wizards who desire her for something. Her own father conceived her under false pretenses with that in mind, murdered her mother, and then wanted to do incest with her. Interdimensional elves repeatedly try to kidnap her and sexually coerce her into having a child with them. Her adoptive mother's friends demand for her to be married to the heir of a king for dynastic reasons.
Some of those are solved, but at a pretty high cost- her entire family has to stop and fight a titanic set-piece battle and her uncles get got at a frankly unsustainable rate. If you don't save Lambert that's three in one game with Vesemir and Crach en Craite.
There's a lot of incidentals too- she runs into Brokilon as a kid and Queen Eithné immediately has her pegged and wants her brainwashed. She runs into some intergalactic unicorns, and they debate a summary execution because of what she is. She teleports into a random forest clearing, and a weird hermit knows she's special and wants to do cannibalism and necrophilia. Teleports into a random swamp, and three mystical Hags want to eat some of her before giving her to other pursuers.
That seems like a pain in the ass, maybe roll the dice and mutate your DNA into something that's not useful to all these fucking weirdos.
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my guess with elder blood is that perhaps she lost most of those powers when she stopped the white frost in witcher 3, most prophesised destinies like that require a sacrifice to end a threat something of that magnitude and now that the prophesy is over , elder blood and its powers are no longer needed ? as for the trial of grasses maybe this new lynx school found a way to research a better way to introduce mutagens to a humans body , especially for an adult , who knows lets wait and see
Having read the entire series of the Witcher books, I hope you enjoy them when you get to read them yourself. I found them to be exceptional dark fantasy unlike any fantasy books I have read before. The trilogy of games created by CDPR is like a love letter Andrzej Sapkowski's books. They pick up where the books end, bringing both new stories and a fascinating retreading of a few of the plots in the books. I recommend checking the first couple of games as well. They are so well-made, and they will round out the experience of the books and the third game.
I got to relate to your opinion, I am willing to give CDPR a chance if they address Ciri’s Elder Blood is the reason behind her surviving the mutation process. But the implementation of DEI writing practices within the studio are a 50/50 gamble if they find a way to make it work like God of War Ragnarock, or if it will be more stereotype bait like VeilGuard.
Before the DEI standards, we had great representation of LGBT characters and various races of characters in Cyberpunk2077 because CDPR addressed them as people first, but now with the devs seeming to attack anyone critical of the Witcher 4 trailer (the potion Ciri used or the fact they replaced her actress) that are nowhere near the same complaints of the “face” coomers, it leaves me concerned if they went overboard.
What I hoped for is a Character Creator. New school and a brand new Witcher character and epic.
If she has her teleport skill using that in could be fun along with all her other powers combat wise could be fun.
Hope the story is written well but will have to wait and see
I share your concerns here. The trailer itself would be fine if it weren't for what we've heard from and about CD Projekt Red as a company since ~2023, and the nature of some of the changes which are clearly being made -- for example: the School of the Lynx medallion that Ciri is wearing comes from an AU fanfiction rather than from the novels, and the fact that they're using fanfics as cannon is concerning, especially considering their current "loremaster". Then there's her appearance, which on it's own wouldn't bother me as the appearance of each character has changed from game to game, but the specific changes here are very much in line with current "woke" corporate politics which does cause me to raise an eyebrow.
If you're curious about lore in general, the best breakdown video's I've seen are from the youtube channel "Wera", which is mainly a book channel rather than a gaming channel, but she's huge fan of the novels and has videos discussing the differences in lore between the books and the games and Netflix series, as well as the books on their own.
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Me too!
Geralt is the main man in the books canon and games, But now he because of the ending of witcher 3 game, he is being sidelined and girl boss replaced by an ugly ciri. Ciri is cute and badass and I enjoyed playing as her in witcher 3, I even brought the game guide book that includes illustrations of all the main characters, And let me tell ya the art is fantastic and the women are all beautiful. Look up Ciri's face in witcher 3 and then look at ciri's face model in witcher 4. It's night and day. And the reason why I said girl boss 'sigh' is because no female can become a full fledged witcher according to the book canon, also ciri has elder blood which makes her overpowered mary sue when it comes to magic and time manipulation. I know she is older in witcher 4 but why is she ugly? I love women and beauty is subjective indeed.
For me its the people behind the team thats got me concerned. I've been hearing insane stuff the lore designer been saying. From them wanting to punch games to calling gamers that play Cyberpunk 2077 fascistic, predatory, poisonous, unempathetic and so on.
The writing is gonna be the number 1 issue I am concerned about.
source? Or just spewing bs?
@Llanovanya85 The Trent Report. His video titled Witcher 4 lore designer wants to punch you. He has a couple more videos on it.
@@magicrealms2824 Sure hope people do not dig through every thing I posted online some time ago and take it out of context.
And btw, he is not THE lore designer. The lead story designer also worked on W3 and Phantom Liberty. The Narrative Director Philip Weber started at CDPR writing quests for W3.
It seems more like people looking for something confirming their bias that every industry is out to drape rainbow flags over your screens.
@@Llanovanya85 Even if he is not the lore designer, they have said enough of things thats got me concerned. Changing Ciri into a Witcher is a odd decision.
Plus the comments they have made on Twitter is a giveaway on whats the writing is going to have in it. Its enough for me to be concerned.
@@magicrealms2824 Have you watched the interviews with Sebastian Kalemba and Grosia the Exec Producers? And the ones with Philipp Weber the Narrative Director?
For me they sound like they truly understand what people are asking for and pay respect to the lore. And of course they know how to write and instruct writers because they worked on W3 and Phantom Liberty, which are no compromise classic CDPR titles.
It's fine to be concerned and wary, especially with praise way before launch or even pre-orders. But within the community crying DEI, "modern audience" and "woke", all I see is hysteria and people getting so triggered that they wanna boycott a game that's 3 years from release...
Regarding Ciri as Witcher. It's all too natural. Ciri never wanted to have her powers, she always saw them as a curse, the reason why all her life she was a pawn of the mighty and had to flee. The Witcher mutations however have only benefits for her. She'll not be the bearer of destiny, she'll have the resilience to fight monsters, just how she wanted.
I'm staying optimistic and I see no evidence why I should not be.
Ciri could have been so much more than a basic Witcher! no disrespect to Witchers but she had a whole different story. Making her a Witcher reeks of lazy writing, that they simply wanted to utilize existing game mechanics by giving some lame explanation that she went through the trials successfully because of her abilities. That she "can do what men do". Boring, annoying and such a waste potential. Also I didn't like that they gave her fuller cheeks as if she eats a ton. If she makes her money as a Witcher she is not supposed to eat much. As for her being bi, wasn't she groomed by some woman in a gang that Ciri joined because she was basically trying to survive as a young girl alone in a post-war world where not only food was scarce but also it was simply dangerous not to have a powerful protector? I remember this story as being quite bothering, because I understood that Ciri had no choice and that her psyche just adapted to the situation. Way to make her a lesbian.
12:39 agree, actions always speak louder than words.
My only complaints are, this does not look like or sound like Ciri, who is this imposter.
Having the most powerful person as the protagonist is a whole other set of problems... It can get very Captain Marvel obnoxious if you are not careful and on the other side of the coin she can feel like a pedestrian if you try to have her on the classic heroes journey... Which she most definitely is not...
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precisely this
I'm so torn about this one. I'm worried about CDPR, they've been slipping BioWare Style since a year or so before Cyberpunk came out. I don't have faith in them any more than I have in current BioWare or current Obsidian or current Ubisoft.. or current MOST AAA studios lately. I *hate* what the devs are doing on socials at the moment, it's Veilguard and Avowed all over again.
That said, the cinematic looks good. Ciri looks good. I hate that she's a full Witcher with a passion, but I can deal with that eventually.
What I REALLY hate is that they've gaslit their customers saying "they have been laying the seeds for Ciri to be the next protagonist since Witcher 3" when they literally gave us CHOICES about what she becomes at the end of the third game. Only ONE of those choices was for her to become a Witcher, and it was NEVER a discussion that she'd take that final trial, she was just going to hunt monsters with her natural abilities.
I don't give a shit about the 'female witcher" thing, because like it or not, the contracts were renegotiated in 2019 and more lore was introduced. The angry fans screaming about it being "fanfiction" can dislike it all they want, but it's still here. It's not going anywhere. The interview where the author said it was "disgusting" was long ago and he's given more interview with more nuanced discussion many times since that interview.
The TV series has happened. The Author has done a lot of interviews since the Witcher 3 and said he used subtext and left things out of the books that he felt he couldn't include because of the time and country he wrote the books in. That included queer characters and female archetypes... and there's also the TTRPG that has Cat and Manticor schools who had (exceptionally rarely) successfully mutated female witchers. So from that aspect, it's 'unorthodox', but it's not "forbidden" like a lot of the hardcore fans of the OG books say.
I'm just worried that the devs are pulling out a LOT of lines that mimic almost word for word, the writer for the Netflix series. If they are going down THAT route, I'm so uninterested it almost hurts.
Ugh I'm just a ball of conflicting feelings about this one and I will NOT be playing it until there are many full clear reviews post release. If it looks great, I'll buy it then.
I'm not going to judge game until I see proper gameplay and I'm not buying until it releases anyway. In trailer the village and villagers have familiar slavic feel to them with no forced diversity. That and CDPR's previous games experience has earned them the benefit of the doubt.
very few of the orginal devs works on it, but check out The Blood of Dawnwalker it from the some of the same devs the worked on witcher 3
I don't really mind Ciri passing the Trial of Grasses. It does bother me knowing that they only did that because they can't STAND having there be something only a man can do. They HAAAAATE that, and that's THE REASON they're making Ciri pass the Trials.
However, it's not logically too hard to believe that her Elder Blood would allow her to survive it. I do hope that one of the skill trees in the game IS her Elder Blood, and that she isn't just a copy of Geralt.
I am not too bothered that they chose to make Ciri a witcher. It is a choice in the witcher 3, and granted in lore it is an extreme rarity - but it has been done (even though no one is clear on why it has worked in those rare instances). I can only hope that they lean into the idea that her elder blood has helped her survive the trials, but only time will show 🤷🏻♀️
What concerns me more than anything is the company its self. And the changes that the company has gone through since Witcher 3. Cyberpunk is a good game but that dreadful launch and the horrid state of the game at launch is still a very fresh memory even though they were able to get the game in a beyond playable state.
The signs aren’t in CDPR’s favour though… can only hope that they rather surprise us than disappoint us, but I am not holding my breath.
I think it's sadly hilarious how people go at each others throat about Ciri. I'm no friend of todays western game politics at all but when there is a woman who deserves to be a female lead in a video game than it IS her.
As a book reader I can definitely say it doesn't break the lore from what we have seen here, there is no line that stated a female witcher would be a impossible thing, so there is room to make new stuff up for her story in the game.
It has to be written in a sensible way of course, but to judge about the game how many many people did after just one trailer, is pretty sad.
To make the story focus on fighting sexism makes actually sense, too. Considering that the witcher world IS besides sorceressesses and a few side characters very traditional and medieval. The question is only if the devs can distinct between modern politics and ingame while writing about it? That is the only thing that concerns me a bit... but it is important in my opinion to beware some credibility and only judge something when there is actual reason to do so for the trailer is actually pretty good imo.
I know the current state of CDPR is questionable but still, I heard contrary things about it, good and bad. So I think they deserve the benefit of a doubt at least until we know more.
If fighting sexism was what her main goal, she was the heir to the most powerful empire in the World, what will she do now? go around villages and say " bad man, no sexism".
But okey they really really need her to be the PC so why do you not make her go though the trial of the grasses in the first game?
Crazy to me how people that are hating on Witcher 4 have literally no idea wtf they are talking about. Havent read a single book or played any other game besides W3.
Who is hating? Not me.
At this point, The Blood of Dawnwalker's trailer looks more like a Witcher game than The Witcher 4, but I really hope CDPR doesn't make the same mistake as Bioware.
Always love to see your videos.
Here's how I've started explaining why I have - zero - faith in this game:
Consider Dudu doing an impression of Ciri, with his 1 eye missing...
Now, what - exactly - would you need to do to Dudu, in order for his impression of Ciri to land at this version of Ciri?
Points if you can answer the question in a way that doesn't include:
fire
acid
or a near-infinite deluge of frying pans
cant wait to see you playing the witcher 3+dlc! blood and wine is my absolutely favourite
books is pretty good too (except moments of policy for 30 pages i guess lmao) 100% recommend
as for TW4 - i also have concerns, BUT. lets hope it'll be nothing like the story with DAV. racism/sexism/extreme violens and rudeness were always part of this world, and i hope it'll stay as it was
I do not care that Siri is the new main character honestly kind of like that idea but after seeing what the new lore master thinks about gamers It is the biggest red flag I may have ever seen.. Do not have much hope for this one
As always I will wait for full launch and anticipate nothing. Trusting corporate game devs will get you rainbow onions on all the burgers. It's one thing to retcon lore to provide a much asked for playable Ciri, it remains to be seen if CDPR is willing to destroy their franchise for the sake of a miniscule "modern audience" and DEI like EAWare did.
Oh bloody hell. Here we go again.
Like many people here, I thoroughly enjoyed The Witcher III and the books. To be totally fair, one can argue that Ciri, not Geralt, is the main character (she has more pages than Geralt, and most, if not nearly all of the books’ events besides short stories focus on her).
But, I’m beyond sick and tired of this DEI garbage being shoved everywhere. I’ll acknowledge that I have immediate family members who are gay, and I work with trans people. Live and let live.
But there’s an old saying: if you’re making something for everyone, you’re making something for no one. Forcing DEI into games doesn’t work. Look at Avowed and Veilguard as two examples. Veilguard alone was aimed at a ‘modern audience’ that either never showed or doesn’t exist!
I would love nothing more than to see this game succeed. But there are red flags already that are making me nervous.
It’s good to see you back Nuhre!
Honestly curious as to where the DEI was in that trailer?
@ I didn’t see it. My fault for not clarifying. My DEI comment referenced the new people slinking around CDPR lately.
Unfortunately CDPR is an EU organization and is required by international mandate to implement DEI practices. As a company they literally have a legal obligation to be involved with it.
@ No way? I didn’t know that.
Here in the States, we have DEI principles in the workplace as well. My big problem with it is that people who “benefit” from it may have the qualifications for the job, but many of them end up wondering if they got the job for their qualifications or their skin color. It shouldn’t be this way.
It's obvious that CDPR, in my opinion at least, doesn't care about the fans. They don't care about the lore. They have an agenda. They deliberately ignored the books, twisted the information there AND ignored precedent established in their own video game adaptation of it.
Not only that, but it appears, once again in my estimation, that they uglified Ciri. In Witcher 3 Ciri was a gorgeous woman, but here they brought the "avert the male gaze" hammer down upon this beloved character. That trailer rendition was not the Ciri people got to know.
CDPR, in my estimation, is heading the way of Bioware and will ruin The Witcher like Bioware ruined Dragon Age. Buyer beware.
I believe CD Projekt is smart enough not to push woke DEI mental feces. They have learned hard lessons with Cyberpunk and have had to work for over a year to get back on a good stand with their fans.
My problem with it, is that they just made her into Feralt. Instead of either having her keep the powers or make her preform the trial of the grasses in this game. And don't get me started on that fighting for women rights in that world, she was/is the heir to the most powerful empire in the world in one of the endings, and she choose to run around in the woods hunting monsters.
The existence of tweets and other nonsense from the developers where they're saying they wish to commit violence on the companies own customers is all the proof people need that this game will have its potential squandered. They will use the project, the IP and the hype of their consumers as a Trojan Horse they can use to insert a personalized "F U" to the players.
After seeing the whole trailer, I think people are overreacting to how Ciri looks. They took look weird looking shots out of context. I'm more concerned with how reckless Ciri was being. She was taught better.
She looks older, but not bad. She still looks like herself.
She looks like she's been beaten with the ugly stick. An older woman that was beautiful when young doesn't magically get ugly. This is just another modern message.
@@nuhre Exactly. She's being reckless, and Vessimir and Geralt taught her better than that. That's my concern now. But there may be a story reason she's acting that way.
@@nuhreexactly. If im going to play Ciri as a Witcher, I think her look should be hardened up a bit.
The true ending requires Geralt to cuck himself... so no she didn't.
The Witcher didn't start just as a videogame, so lore is very important, if not that world/universe could be broken and they should call their new games saga whatever they want except "The Witcher" 🤷♂️
ez first, also NeonKnight just posted a lore discussion about the topic, would recommend
Yes, he's one of the few people who has actually addressed the criticism with a level of understanding.
Don't care what anyone says, character design wise I like her new look, waiting to see what she looks like in the game. Just hope as a character she won't become Geralt 2.0 but her own interesting character and explination for her passing trial of grasses will be good enough. And it's fine to improve trial of grasses, worlds lore shouldn't be stagnant.
I have given this some thought and this is my reasoning for my skepticism for witcher 4. For a company to openly broadcast dei the way cdpr did knowing full well this will not go down well signals to me that the personnel currently employed at cdpr will not be able to craft a product specifically a story which does not push dei politics. Its sad but even if there are employees against dei or a game director with great ideas when taken as a whole the company has already told us what they stand for. CDPR could have easily employed dei without broadcasting it but the fact they did is illogical and tips the scale towards skepticism.
Witcher 1 still is the best story/lore wise.
idc what kind of weak explanation CDPR is gonna give about Ciri being a witcher, mutations and all.
what we know
girls and trials of the grasses = 100% mortality rate.
adults and trials of the grasses = should be close to 100% mortality rate.
What we know is they only did it to very young boys because their bodies were more malleable than adults bodies, still in the process of changing and growing. Adult bodies aren't, and as such the trials would be even more deadly for them than for children. It's possible that adults aren't capable of surviving the trial of the grasses at all, let alone at the three out of ten rate that young boys survived.
Then we know that both Geralt and Yennefer would NEVER allow her to do it. It's stupid and unnecessary to die in order to get powers that are already way below the powers she already possess.
About the people calling her "ugly" idk.... they must have extremely high standards, cuz she looks fine af.
My only gripes are lore wise and the new former journo they hired who hates white people and gamers in general.
Actually, with space marines, the augmentations and the whole process is not compatible with women. The Geneseed for example, is made for men, it was stated in lore many times the process is just incompatible.
Ciri's defo giving that angry lesbian vibe. Why she didn't speak with the villagers and explain to them that she'll fix their problems and instead gets angry at them when they do stupid after Ciri interfers with their worst fears? Side note, it's my first time seeing someone grow bigger nose and mouth from aging. The little sings are there :)
I recommend trying Witcher 1, it's hilarious.
Nuhre, I want YOU as the witcher! The most beaultiful heroine ever!❤
Tell CD Projekt to hire me
@nuhre 2 million copies at launch day🥰
You seem to have a very common-sense position on CDPR, I like it. They have clearly made some poor choices so this game will be a true test of their integrity. If we see them changing their hiring practices over the coming years, there may be a chance for this to be good.
Regarding female Witchers... apparently the books never explicitly say that women can't be Witchers. Their absence is likely because it's such a dangerous process for a physically demanding and lonely lifestyle that there is no real reason for women to even want to try it. So if it's not a contradition, finding a way for Ciri poses no real narrative problem. I prefer to play as Geralt, but if the game is well designed and the story is engaging I could embrace any protagonist.
If anyone is wondering why the protagonist of any Witcher game (Ciri or not) absolutely has to be a Witcher, it's surely because all the gameplay elements are so Witcher-specific: The silver sword; the blade oils, potions and bombs; the collecting of ingredients and schematics for upgrades; the monster contracts; the tracking; the meditation, etc, etc... None of that makes sense for a mage or even a normal warrior. Unless you're a Witcher in this world, it would feel nothing like the other Witcher games and probably be quite restricting.
I'm super tired of women in action RPGs just being put into previously established male roles in that universe. And here they even do it with a character that was already established following a different path, wtf? It always feels intellectually lazy and like the devs aren't actually interested in a female protagonist as a character set in that world. I'd rather play Yennefer or some farmer wife with five children than the one exceptional woman who became a witcher.
Exactly, no problem with female leads in the Witcher world at all. My issue is how gross Ciri looks, don't want to stare at that face for hours and hours. They are not interested in making a game with a feminine woman as the lead they just gender swap Geralt and turn Ciri into a poor imitation of him and call it a day. Lazy, ignorant and insufferable devs and I hope this game ruins them.
Not a fan of this move. The Lady of Space and Time had cooler powers than a Witcher, they should have made a story about that if they were going to continue with Ciri. And she will, in all probability, be a Girl Boss. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
After DA: The Veilguard I was so worried they'd screw the tone and writing up with this too. It's another AAA fantasy game after all. Everything I saw here alleviated my concerns. Also Ciri looks hot, which I did not expect from a big western studio.
Let's wait until the game comes out of course, but as of now I'm happy. There's definitely still talent in the company which isn't replaced by DEI checkboxes.
Respect being honest. I feel like people are being too reactionary to a single trailer. Of course, i wouldnt pre-order it or anything, but i think a lot of people upset by this trailer would do well to take a break from social media or something. I wont get it because i never finished 3 and im pretty burnt out with dark fantasy ips over the past few years
Ciri looks good in the trailer, but i'll never forgive themfor making her a witcher, and if she doesn;t have her elder blood magic.. wtf? they actually nerfed her, as always by trying to make her a girl boss, they end up making the characters weaker.
I hope I have potential 😅 goodbye Nuhre🎉
Pattern Recognition
I don't mind her being the protagonist, but why make her a witcher? She is practically a demigod.
I will just treat this as an entirely different game and play it, assuming they don't go too deep into identity politics.
Man, my comment seem to have been deleted by UA-cam. Sad. But I'll just TLDR my point. Ciri as an ACTUAL female Witcher reeks of D.E.I and reeks of the same stink as is with games like Veilguard, because it essentially boils everything down to the same, lazy and canon breaking decisions as games like that. Literally in the first like chapter of Ciri's, the Witchers and Triss's introduction, Ciri being introduced even to the herbs of the Witchers was enough to incite a major conflict between Triss and the Witchers because o the survival rate of the trial. Like, really, anyone with a function brain risk a gambling odds of 1 in a million?
And as people said, the explanation of "Ciri is superhuman" is a terrible explanation because even that contradicts previous games, let alone books. She is super human but she ain't immortal, undying or anything like that. So the idea of her willingly going under the experiment on an absolute miniscule chance? Yeah, that's not Ciri. Even she ain't that dumb.
It just seems like the next bossbabe. The trailer is also just the copy of Witcher3 cinematic, but this time, more talking.
this girl is so pretty... i can not handle it..
Thank you ❤
it makes no sense,why make her into a witcher she was already the most op character in the world except for maybe the elder vampire and some 1 or 2 mages
because her gift is her curse? What did Ciri ever gain through her powers? Certainly not a life.
@@Llanovanya85 so a better solution is to go with the trial that only 30% of boys survive and no woman has ever survived and to still be hated for being a mutant?
@@mkapidzic6408 A better solution would be to find unique factors and or methods to increase the survivability first. And then yes, as Ciri always wanted to become a witcher and loves doing it because she can still change the world, she can still stand up for the downtrodden and for justice and be resilient and powerful enough to do so.
Ciri is no princess who needs to be liked by everyone. Meet her at Corvo Bianco, she even confronts the smelliest of Gharkains and seems to wanna keep going :-)
@@Llanovanya85 she was already a Witcher. Nobody had any problem with that. But why would anyone willingly allow her to undergo the trial of grasses that no one but 30% of young boys survive? That's just a terrible and dumb idea and just more lore break. No, sorry, lore assassination.
@@cttommy73 "But why would anyone willingly allow her"
The Witcher 3 expansions are arguably better than the base game, especially Hearts of Stone. As far as Witcher 4 is concerned; The Blood of Dawnwalker > Witcher 4.
Will check them out
@@nuhre I recently made a video about it; big vampire game coming out; 13/1/24 they are going to show it to the world.
My fear is simple…. That this game is going for a Mary Sue journey…
I prefer having a new Witcher that you can create from scratch (Female or Male)
Zero hope with CD Project Red… DEI is so present on they site… RIP mostly for me.
Hey shills, yeah you, the people that keep defending this game and CDPR. Let me tell you something, this is not the same CDPR that made the original Witcher trilogy anymore. The original devs already left the company after the Cyberpunk disaster. They went to Warhorse Studios, and some of them formed their own studio named Rebel Wolves. They are replaced by activists, and yes, the new witcher game is made by these activists, not the original devs. Activists only want to implement their agendas in video games and make them the main focus instead, nothing else. They only care about their ideology, they don't care about you, and they will never change. So the "just wait and see" or "I believe in CDPR" type of comments are useless. As long as these activists in the company still there, there is no hope for gamers except for those "modern audience" that are not even 1% of world population.
This is my thanks to CDPR for the good games.
For years, we've had female protagonists, and no one really cared. But now someone has given it one specific word, and some people start becoming triggered little snowflakes. And what someone who's now working at CDPR said about gamers a few years ago isn't a good thing obviously but so what. I'm excited for the witcher 4 whether it's woke or not regardless. Either way I'm still excited about Ciri being a protagonist literally. I'm not defending CDPR, but this type of behavior over females in video games is just pathetic. We need a balance when it comes to male and female protagonists
@erinkemp1004 My concerns aren't about her being a woman. It's about CDPR making her only personality traits being a woman.
@@nuhre I understand that. But some people are judging an entire game based on one cinematic trailer. The game is still in development. I'm not going to focus too much on all the negativity. I judge games after playing them from start to finish. Not the other way around
Cirir was raped by a woman when she 12 in the books, she being a "bi" is kinda a debate.
She literally says she prefers women in Witcher 3, so it's pretty safe to say it's also going to come up in 4.
so not only did they uglify her she is also a grooming victim .
@@nuhre I don't remember that part. what I remember is you can choose ciri to prefer men or women in the bathhouse.
she does not have yellow eyes so she i s not a witcher.
She does have them...
@@nuhre i am blind then but that means she went through witcher trial.
I just don’t understand why they made her so much weaker.
Like she was one of the most powerful being in the games.
And they kinda downgraded her to a basic Witcher.
Witchers stopped using the Trial of Grasses because of the horrific toll and few results. Like hell Geralt and Yennifer would allow Ciri to go through it, Elder blood or not.
Witcher 3 is my favorite game of all time. Witcher books are among my favorites as well. I loved the trailer and I am very optimistic about the game. I have not played cyberpunk 2077(but heard that release was bad) but all witcher games were great. So I trust CDPR for now.
I hope they deliver. There's just a track record of companies being openly catering to the "modern audience" and the end product being abysmal.
Rocksteady were loved once
Let's keep it simple:
CDPR is a skin walker full of rainbow kin.
Rebel Wolves is a new company created by The Witcher 3 and CP2077 veterans.
If I were you... I'd keep my sight on RW, best of luck to them.
I have read the books and played the games. Not interested in this.
old devs from cdpr r gone
Yeah, you should read the books, maybe you will come to the conclusion you were worried for nothing and a bunch of people concerns about the lore and the fact she always wanted to become a witcher are simply wrong (and maybe replay The Witcher 1,2 & 3^^).
Yeah, maybe you want to take a few classes on active listening, and you'd realize that I am worried about the company, not the lore.
@@nuhre Ok my bad! 😉
But it make even less sense... because people who lead the entire project, worked on The Witcher 3 (on Cyberpunk too) and are huge fans of The Witcher franchise. So thinking they will butcher this franchise for "weird" reason make absolutely no sense.
@@lekillerfou You don't know what you are talking about or actively lying. The creative leads for the Witcher 3 are now gone and CD Project Red are a shadow of the company they once were. They are actively pushing DEI hires which means they prioritize race/sex over skill and talent. They have dropped the Red Engine because the people that made it have left and now they move to a new engine that they can hire low talent people straight from university to work on it. Ciri looks like she has spent the last 20 years smoking 40 cigarettes a day getting plastic surgery and botox, taking testosterone and getting mauled by bears daily. Noone wants to play as a scarred up grandma and I've read ALL the books. I dont care that Ciri is the main character I care they made her so ugly I don't want to look at that on my screen for 100 hours or more. Zero faith in CD Porject Red anymore they are not the same company of the past.
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It’s ciris blood that is special it has no effect on the species she is she is still very much human
She doesn't even look like Ciri they made her ugly. So, pass, F CD Prjekt Woke I won't be buying or playing this game.
👎what are you worried about, are you clairvoyant?
Yes
Yup, I don’t have hope for that one. Even without the ideological poisoning, I never liked the ending where she becomes a Witcher. Didn’t bother me before cause that was just an end to what I thought was the end of the series.
Booobies please!
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I love the witcher, regardless of what's going on or what may happen I will play it and judge it for myself and I'll either be happy or cry but I'll still play it lol. I doubt they can fuck it up harder than Veilguard
She can't become a witcher
She will be though so maybe you should cry about it
Sadly CD Project have said clearly that the most important for them is woke and carbon footprint and the points this give them.
But if it turns out that Witcher 4 is just as good as 3, i am willing to play it.
But because of all the woke propaganda, i will only do it if they pay me 10 dollar to download it.
That is the prize i take to accept their bad political propaganda that i am immune towards, but that is extremely irritating.
Jesus this comment section is full of simps. Are you really complaining that Ciri is ugly? You all.nust be perfect then, show us your pictures and we will be the judge.
I mean, Ciri was not meant to be the next protagonist? For me is just the natural step forward, not a big fan of the lore but she has powers too and yara yara, crazy for me people talking about the books when the creator did say he do not agree on CD vision 100%.
I believe in CDPR. The support of this studio is very important. Balance is important.
@@belegarironhammer3200 The CDPR you know is gone? Not entirely true. While the company has evolved, it continues to bring in fresh, talented minds, including modders and young scriptwriters who are shaping its future. Enthusiasts like Halk Hogan, whose work on The Witcher 3 HD Reworked Project was officially recognized, and many other passionate creators have been invited to join CDPR's ranks. The studio might have changed, but it's far from gone-it’s now a blend of experienced veterans and new talents who keep the spirit of creativity alive.
@@belegarironhammer3200 No, that's my opinion. There are many young fashion designers in the company who did not work for the company, for example Nikodem Poplawski, Philipp Weber, Andrzej Kuc.They worked on mods and scripts for The Witcher 2. I will protect this company and believe in it. Even in the trailer there was a lot of melancholic Slavic sadness . There is no DEI here.
@@belegarironhammer3200 The guys are working hard, after the trailer the developers are given an interview every day
@@belegarironhammer3200 In the fight against DEI, the main thing is not to defeat yourself.
Everybody knew Ciri was gonna be the next protag just not a fucking Witcher
All the devs left because the company got too woke, they made their own companies. Also Ciri shouldn’t be a Witcher even with elder blood that doesn’t change her biology or that she is human. The trail of grasses etc would still kill her and there should be no way for her to even become a Witcher since the method was destroyed
The Witcher 4 is cooked just trust Nuhre
Shes not longer have powerful magic, they gone or weakener coz shes in end of witcher 3 beat white death