Air To Ground Weapons In War Thunder : The Complete Guide (Current 2023)
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- This complete guide to air to ground weapons in War Thunder goes over basic concepts, guidance types, keybinds, and how to use them in the game. The idea is to take an absolute beginner and get them a basic level of competence in operating these weapons. Information and UI is current as of the "Apex Predators" update.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro And Keybinds
03:39 CCIP - Cannons
05:02 Optical Bomb Sights
06:26 CCIP - Bombs
07:38 CCIP - Rockets
08:37 Torpedoes
09:40 CCRP - Bombs
12:21 MCLOS - Bombs
13:49 MCLOS - Missiles
14:41 SACLOS (Beam Riding) - Missiles
16:04 Fixed Laser - Missiles
17:34 Movable Laser - Missiles
19:08 Auto-Tracking Laser - Missiles
21:46 Auto-Tracking Laser - Bombs
23:39 TV - Missiles
25:43 TV - Bombs
26:38 IR - Missiles
28:42 Active Radar - Missiles
30:25 Air To Air Usage - Ігри
Complete Guide To Radar:
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Complete Guide To Air To Air Missiles:
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I love these guides. Even as a more experienced player, they prove as a good refresher.
I feel the same way. I maxed 4 air trees and generally perform very well in aircraft, but sometimes I forget a feature or learn new tricks to features. For example, using external view to get an approximation then switching to the camera to quickly lock a target.
Same man even also as an experienced player there’s always a chance that you might learn something new 👍🏽
Agreed
Yep keep watching even thought i know alot of it
Some tips, mainly for laser and TV weapons:
One thing that's very important for autotracker laser weapons: wait for the "POINT" message next to your weapon in the top left. This means that the weapon sees the target and will likely be able to hit it. If the POINT tag is not showing up, you either need to:
-Enable your laser. There's a separate keybind for it.
- Aim yourself at the target. The weapon only has a limited FOV (especially true for LGBs such as Paveways), so it's possible that the weapon will simply pass over the target area without ever seeing your laser. Make sure you're oriented towards the target (so most likely diving), and when the POINT tag pops up, make sure you're not still actively pitching downwards or rolling or else you'll bump your bomb and throw it off course (lol). Lay off the controls for a full second or two once you have the POINT tag.
- Get closer; use your missile's statcard range (sometimes also dispayed in your targeting cam) to figure out how close. If you're using an LGB, try it in a test flight against a point straight ahead to try to learn (for most Paveway bombs, the bomb only sees targets within 7km.)
It's worth noting that you _can_ toss-bomb LGBs further than their laser range; with enough speed and a lot of practice, you can climb above the horizon before releasing the bomb, then let it arc down as it glides and thus angle itself to see your laser as it comes into range. But this is fairly hard to do, and will usually just waste your bomb.
You can also do some trickery with your laser to make the weapon acquire it and proceed to hit a target from a "bad" angle, thus overcoming the limited FOV issue. Aim your laser anywhere it'll get the POINT tag, drop your bomb, then lower your laser down onto the intended target slowly. The weapon will attempt to follow it and soon enough be able to see what your actual target was. But again, this is hard to get right, and it's usually better to just put yourself into a dive and do it the traditional way; you can always pull off and climb afterwards (just watch the square in your targeting view to see how far you can afford to continue pitching upwards without exceeding your laser gimbal limit).
Some other tips:
- Speed. Your weapon range is dependent on the firing platform, especially if the weapon has no power of its own. Some aircraft, like the A-10, need to make up for a speed deficiency with altitude, or else even a Maverick won't reach the target. For A-10 Mavericks, I like to have _at most_ a 3:1 ratio for range:personal alt (assuming you're at a decent speed, relatively speaking). Once you've locked your target, you can switch to the cockpit to see the range displayed on the HUD; if my target's 6km away, I want to be at least at 2000m up. But a 2- or 2.5- to 1 ratio is a safer bet.
- Orient your plane above the angle to the target (while staying within your weapons FOV). Otherwise you're making the weapon pitch back up onto target, which wastes fuel and can make Mavericks run dry early.
- Make sure your contrast sensor (TV) weapons are actually locking a tank, and not the ground below them. You need to be close for this; range varies by weapon and environmental conditions. If the camera follows the enemy as they move, you're good to go; or, you can usually tell because it'll appear to be locking just above where you aimed.
- If your contrast-based weapon isn't locking, you likely either need to get closer, or environmental conditions are making it difficult, if not impossible, for the weapon to pick out your exact target. Your statcard lock range isn't guaranteed.
- However, you don't always need to lock the target itself with a TV weapon; with some of the larger GBUs (notably the GBU-8), it's pretty reliable for you to be able to lock the ground beneath someone holding still and kill them from *_extreme_* range. If they move, they'll almost definitely survive, but this tactic is very valid against SPAA. In the F-16 for example, I usually will drop my GBUs on SPAA immediately upon spawn before climbing away to avoid counter fire. The bomb will take a while to get there but the enemy will usually see you and thus stop to keep track, which ironically is exactly what they _shouldn't_ do.
- Mavericks make for _very_ good heli counters. Launch in a dive. Laser guided bombs, however, seem to be bugged and pass through helis without detonating and thus can _only_ kill a heli if it's close to the ground and in the blast radius.
- There's another bug (?) where ERA, tracks, or roof MGs will just eat warheads they have no business stopping. If you have a good lock and they aren't moving, consider aiming at the ground just to the side of your enemy, or else a DSHk mount might stop a 2000lb bomb.
-Paveways need some room to orient themselves onto target. Don't get too close before dropping.
I know everything about described features, but this is an amazing comment for everyone who is beginner to the top tier CAS.
Minor caveat to your third point, some weapons (off the top of my head the Kh-25ML and 29L) will almost always reach their stat card range energy wise. While others like the AGM-65 often do take some experience figuring out launch parameters to get that stat card range.
I have been having issues with my LGB just F-ing off after I drop them, maybe these tips will help! Though usually they are Kilometers outside of where the CCIP said they'd land when I dropped them so it could just be a bug...
There's always the essay writer in the comment section 💀 thanks tho!
"- Make sure your contrast sensor (TV) weapons are actually locking a tank, and not the ground below them. You need to be close for this; range varies by weapon and environmental conditions. If the camera follows the enemy as they move, you're good to go; or, you can usually tell because it'll appear to be locking just above where you aimed."
A TV bomb or missile will tell you if it is locket at the ground or at the tank. If it is locket to the ground it will tell you "POINT" in der 3. person view. but if it is locket on a tank it tells you "TRACK". In combination with a laser camera like in the Harrier Gr.7 it will tell in the laser sight, so you dont have to go to the 3. person view to know.
Amazing Tim, the added footage of live gameplay is something you didn't need to include, but you made the effort to illustrate it for your viewers. Thank you and I personally really appreciate it.
Actually just the best, most straight forward tutorial.
Great work! I feel like WT needs new tutorials at every tier
Why would they need to make them when they know Tim will just make a better one?
What we need is updated guides every year bc Gaijin can't leave some features alone and they be changing how they work, thus we need updated guides yearly on everything.
11:30 You also don't have to bind "turn off target point", you can point your cursor at the sky and hit the target point key to get rid of it as well; I've never found the lack of the "turn off target point" bind to be an issue. But it's just a small thing to consider.
Tim, seriously thank you. You're a great person for this community. I hope you keep making vids for years to come. :D
Thank you so much!
If someone is struggling for keybinds, “switch secondary weapon” can be used with “fire secondary weapon” and “secondary weapon ripple quantity.”
The first one will fire/drop whatever you have selected, if it’s guided it will activate the guidance on the first press (e.g. AAMs will spool up) and fire on the second, though it’s probably a good idea to have a separate keybind for the tracking still.
Ripple quantity lets you select how much ordnance you use: the weapon’s default, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, and Series (which will fire as long as you hold the fire secondary weapon key)
My biggest challenge (with what I got unlocked) is, to find a target within the few seconds i fly over the BF at 900+ km/h, while trying to not getting shot down. So I prefer a helicopter instead, from 8.7 and above (specially now when everyone has something with AGMs). I do had my moments with the "Nords" back than, when the game did not had much better stuff.
Love the vids. Been playing for years, got to level 100 but still learn something interesting from watching your vids. I really love how well you explain things, not only do you explain things well verbally but your visuals are easy to keep up with, there's not much clutter on the screen or music to distract. I appreciate it a lot, keep it up!
Great guide, thanks
Thanks for the update!
Thanks for making an updated video on air to ground weapons! I've been having a hard time with agms lately
This was awesome bro, thank you so much for making this
This was perhaps the best overview of these sorts of weapons I have ever seen! This will help a lot as I climb the ranks.
This is the most comprehensive and thus best guide I've found, thank you.
Always happy to see a Tims Variety guide!
One thing some might find helpful is turning off the auto leveling of a plane when switching to gunner and bomber sight view. I found it especially helps with bombers that might like to jerk as you line up for final approach to the target.
This is one of the best War Thunder guides I've ever seen! Thank you for this great video!
Excellent video! A lot of stuff I didn’t know about/know how to do! Also honestly this video is just satisfying to listen to! You earned yourself a sub! keep up the good work
This was an excellent video, thanks Tim!
Thanks I really need this thank you so much
Another amazing guide. Probably the best in the business when it comes to this. Often I like to play these in the backround or watch for entertainment even if I know whats going on. Its just amazing quality.
Love your Guide! Good work!
i love these videos, i've been playing since 2015 and there was so much in this video i didnt know existed
Since I started using selected weapon mode the only time I don't use it is with the drop bomb series, because using both simultaneously seems bugged and drops all bombs.
One trick I have seen somewhere is when using a jet with laser-guided bombs at high altitudes.
- Equip 1 dumb bomb
- Select a target with the camera
- Select the dumb bomb, this activates CCRP
- Just before CCRP tells you to drop the bomb, switch to laser-guided bombs and drop one.
This should give the guided bomb a good trajectory to hit the target.
Just commenting while halfway through the vid. Super informative and well laid out info as always. I had no idea CCRP had a Switch Mission Bombing Target key bind for all the bases. That's super useful, I always had to nose down and try to get a good mark while grinding with the A4E-Early.
Best Tutorial on Air to Ground Ever!!!! You earned a follower.
That is best if not THE BEST tutorial I could find, im getting slowly to those kinds of weapons and that will help me imensly with how to use them, and save time screwing orund keybinds nad test flights to learn them. THANK YOU KIND SIR!!
oh been waiting for a Vid for something good awesome good to see ... best Vids best Info for WT knowledge right here 👍
great vid as always
I really appreciate how thorough, detailed, and concise your videos are on stuff like this. It's a godsend.
thx man, useful video
This is very nice and simple video with great explanation, I need something like that.
thank uuu, u made me fall in love for this video
Thank you so much Tim for these videos. If you aren't the best UA-camr for videos like this you are definitely top 3 at least. Without your videos, attention to details, and going over things like you are talking to someone who is completely new, I would still be completely lost on plane weapons, especially since I am on PS4, and have to overlap some controls. You deserve so much more watch time, subscribers, and have enough of both to do this full time and live comfortably, if that is in fact what you eventually want to do. Thank you again, and looking forward to your future videos! I'm almost top tier in the American tech tree, and look forward to either flying with, or against you some day. Although I will most likely die if we are on opposite sides I admit lol
Also whats cool about CCRP is the possibility for pop up "throw" attacks where you fly low after designating a target beforehand so you can pop up slightly above the horizon safe from SPAA and the bomb releases automatically while you are pulling up. Accuracy suffers, of course but its generally pretty reliable as long as you only make a vertical input.
great video!
The guide for bomb CCRP was really helpful, as I’ve seen quite a few UA-camrs use it and have guides for it, but yours was the clearest(for me) to understand. I wish I could use the guide for guided bombs, but Japan still hasn’t gotten any even though they have some irl.
thank you tim!
this should be the standard tutorial vids for WT. very good work and thx for your efforts to create them
Top notch tutorial video.
Thx for the guided bombs tutorial!
Thanks for the great video man
Surprisingly I have been playing this game for years, yet just now made it to the modern tech of the game. So this guide is perfect as I got my hands on a A-10 and needless to say I was very confused.
Holy shit. As a GRB player who finished several nations already, I know how much work this must have been.
Yeah, it ... took a while .. I was able to pre-make a bunch of my regular wednesday WT vids during the holiday break, and have been mostly working on this since then lol
thanks man it helped me a lot thank you very much
Perfect Video thx
Very good video! Concise and to the point. Saves DAYS in encyclopedia!!!
I an mega early to this, but thanks so much for updating your ATG tutorial! I have to say, your style works very well with this sort of video!
"Wooooo! Yeah baby! That's what I've been waiting for!"
~Charlie
Top Tier video guide again Tim, thank you for the time and effort you put into these. I can honestly say I wouldn't still be playing air rb were it not for your videos. Looking forward to the updated radar.
I love these guides
i cant even begin to grasp how much time this took. such a well made guide, thank you Tim.
GOAT guide for war thunder. Thanks a bunch!
Using the frits X is fun in naval as you can steer it right into turrets in order to hit magazines
Props to you for using Italy in this video, my fav nation in the game even tho it's expensive af and not the best, they have some really fun vehicles, especially at lower brs.
I always try to use a variety of aircraft in these vids.
I love that you used my favorite jet in the opening ❤❤
A little tip with the Fritz-X (And presumably other bombs they might add using the same game mechanic), if you have the controls for it set to *relative* Mode, in the bomb sight its just put the crosshair on the target and the bomb will fall there rather than it resetting constantly. So if you're just going to be using the Fritz for a while and not any of the missiles, it can be helpful to turn that relative control on, whereas generally the advice for the MCLOS missiles is to turn that off.
awesome! I am in tier 3 and will not be able to use these probably ever but they sure look fun to use
I rarely comment like this, but please Tim, Please keep up the hard work and efforts you put into these guides. I cannot believe the amounts of detail and work you put in. It's simply unbelievable from a youtuber of your sub and view count. This is TOP NOTCH. I just fear that you'll think it's not worth it and stop making them. I hope you see this. Much respect, brother.
I'm already giving you a thumbs up for being brave enough to fly the Skyray into actual combat. But the guide itself is extremely useful and appreciated, _especially_ the key binding settings.
I actually had a pretty good time with the skyray, you should check out my full review of it :-)
“Laser guided bombs don’t have as much horizontal range”
A-6 with its Paveways: let me introduce myself
Heh yeah, I expect that might get patched eventually .... ;-)
This need to be on WT official page as a tutorial. Great work as always!
Thanks
I found this video both very informative and very entertaining, my only real criticism about the video is that I didn’t find this video much sooner😂😂, as a warthunder veteran player myself it’s pretty funny and interesting on how many new features have been added and introduced into the game, such as on the ground scouts can now use UAV’s to locate and target enemies along with better game physics as well as game mechanics, such as in my case as a challenger 2 player, most if not all enemies can more or less one shot you regardless of where they hit you, where I was shot by a long way away and credit where credit is due, he managed to shoot into my gun block, through my gun breach chamber and into the crew compartment, resulting in the deaths of everyone apart from the driver.
Your guides for weapon and Radar have been a life saver for situations in War thunder and helped with peaking my interest into guided weapons on aircraft and if not me fighting my Autism and thinking your easy to go by guides would be useless I wouldn't be somewhat average in air combat today without them, keep up the great work Tim don't burn yourself out from putting out the content 👍
Love ya tim
Sincere thank you. 🙏
I live to serve o7
TYVM
Thank you.
for a simplified key settup removing allot of the wepon bindings i use ("space" to fire secondary wepons) and then i got my 2 key for selecting secondary weapon, meaning they all can be fired from 1 button as long as you preselect what weapon to use, as well as a ripple fire button removes the need of a fire salvo button.
Great video. I really ought to rework my keybinds. I have most, if not all of my radar keybinds set to the tilde, and my lock and fire buttons set to the same key as activate target point. It can be frustrating at times haha
Found this channel like a week ago, best find of my life
I’ve been watching almost all your WT vids, didn’t even realize I wasn’t subbed. Enjoy! 😂😂
Thanks for the guides. IMO the game needs more analytical or serious content like this that hits the more detailed aspects.
In some way, I prefer to use the menu to turn some of these things on instead of straight keybinds. Some things of course you need to be able to get to in an instant, but navigating a radial menu, once you memorize it, can be incredibly fast and helps guide you onto your option if you are confused or haven't played in awhile.
OMG I play WT from the begining and the music that play in your videos is a complete stranger to me, I have music off since the begining
finally the long awaited guide
Great effort making this guide, extremely helpful! 👍👍
I only have one question. For switching to the targeting camera view for TV guided missiles I always use my keybind for switching between all views. I looked for a specific keybind multiple times, but I never found one. It's also the same thing for me when using the camera of the Scout UAV.
Off the top of my head, I think the only "view" that has a dedicated keybind is the optical bombsight for bombers, but I could be wrong. I use the generic cycle-view keybind for all the others.
As a Britain main, the PGM 2000 and the AGM-65D are my best friends at top tier. It’s also nice that the Red Angel rockets on the Wyvern fire separately now.
Tip for ccrp, use the gun camera view to set the target point. it is faster to get an accurate target point. Secondarily dont underestimate it, in war thunder it is near laser accurate. Early jets with it can challenge radar spaa if they have enough speed.
Absolutely love these guides of yours. Always learn something, even when I thought I knew it all.
Honestly, we're getting to the point of far too many keybinds for aircraft. A huge part of top-tier battles for me is information overload, and that includes having to constantly remember which key does what. Maneuvering is fine, but countermeasures, missiles, radar... it can really put you at a disadvantage if you're like me and sometimes hit the wrong thing. That goes double for air-to-ground.
I use overlapping keybinds.
@@TimsVariety Well yeah, me too, but it's still weird to keep track of. For instance, I had to add a second keybind for switch secondary weapon and switch radar to ACM, because I needed them closer to my left hand.
I have all of my radar controls on the num pad, weapons on the top number row, hover and wing sweep on the arrow keys, almost everything is bound somewhere. I'm annoyed when they add something else, like dropping weapons or fuel tanks.
I play on console and keybinds are muscle memory for me I can’t tell you what buttons I’m hitting to do what but I’m nailing it lol
@@letsgobrandontrump2024 Wish my muscle memory was that good. I find myself completely unable to commit some small, oddly specific things to memory long-term.
for anyone wondering you do not need to set toggles for ballistic computers they are on by default if the aircraft has them and if for some reason they happen to be off which will be rare you can just use the y menu
^ ^ This is correct.
Almost the only time you need to deliberately toggle the ballistics computer is if you have multiple things with forward-firing CCIP (rockets, and cannons, for example) and it wont let you turn both on at the same time.
Tims, a "recent" patch, some months ago, takes the vertical lead into account. You can safely set it to for example 800m and get a proper CCIP lead.
Great video. As someone with over 6000 hours in WT, sometimes I find myself looking at tips to help me better myself with CAS. You learn new stuff all the time. For those who want to mult role / CAS with the F16A:
Best way to counter SPAA is by using the GBU-8's. Reason being / strat:
1. As soon as you spawn immediately look for SPAA but don't take too long. If you spawn further than 12 KM you have maybe 10-25 secs. Most experienced CAS players like myself know where to look for SAMS / SPAA. On most maps, you spawn at 12 KM unless it's Fulda where you spawn within ITO / FlakRad / TOR range, hell sometimes ADATS / Tungie. If you think you wont be able to spot, side climb up and have a look around.
2. Depending on the player and skill, you can easily pop a SAMS from 1000m altitude depending on the map / terrain. I'd sugest nosing up to maybe 1500 - 2000m this is if you want to quickly acquire, have the time to lock and drop, and rid them. You can fly straight or nose up slightly to sort of "loft" the GBU. If you have enough speed that bomb will track. If they move / take cover then it'll drop whereever you point you locked onto.
3. If you want to use the AGM-65B Maverick. Best strat for SEAD (killing SAMS), I usually climb up to 7000 - 10000m, dive a little, get a lock and fire. This doesn't always work especially if the SAMS you're locking onto is competent. Most ITO players I've seen are pretty aware. Yes they can hit you if they look up 90 degrees.
4. For tanks if you want to use TV guided bombs best is to wait until they're on a cap and sit perfectly still. If you use Mavericks I'd suggest firing 2 because you'll get gaijined meaning the AGM will hit the top of the tank, then the MG will all of the explosive filler. It's a pain sometimes.
Personally, I prefer laser guided munitions BUT for US CAS players, you dont have that option unless you give the snail $70 and it's not worth it in my opinion.
Conclusion: TV munitions work but if the server or target you want to hit is laggy / has bad ping it'll probably not work.
quick feedback at 10:14 when you talk about the CCRP
the informative graphics appear on the screen exactly when the important stuff of the background gameplay happens. When the circle and the dash align and you are ready to drop. The infographics divert the attention from this crucial information.
Maybe you could have zoomed in on the lifegameplay to show how the 2 symbols interact with each other and then show the inforgraphics afterwards
nice guide for new players
I am a fighter pilot mainly. But to break up the "Monoteny" of PvP I unlocked the German Tornado
Here I was bombing bases like a caveman. But you have showed me far more effective techniques.
Thanks Tim!
the autotrack laser missile sight also is the sight all helicopters have so if you are familiar with helicopters then it should help when using that sight
Fun fact, torpedo bombers used to have torpedo sights, kind of like CCIP around 5 to 6 years ago. I remember the BTD having a good time taking out carriers due to this. I believe it looked similar to the torpedo guidance of naval arcade battles
So a couple things I personally would have put in is 1. For the keybinds I recommend binding 4 buttons total for weapons (gaijin makes you bind all weapon activation keybinds but I like these 4) Fire Primary, Fire Secondary, Select Primary and Select Secondary. With these 4 bound you don't have to mess around with any other keybinds and you can select/fire any armament on your aircraft together or seperate. 2nd: I can't speak too much for the lazer guided weapons but I have a lot of experience with the TV guided weapons. You can activate all the TV guided weapons from 3rd person view if you want to get in closer but you have to keep in mind not all of these will target directly at the nose. For instance the A10 with mavericks will try to target a good amount below the nose while a plane like the F5E will target directly where you're facing (I hope that made sense). Same thing can be applied to MCLOS weapons like bullpups. Some sit at an angle on the wings and will fire slightly down while others like on the F100 can be used without any inputs as slightly more accurate dumb rockets.
Overall I think it was a great video though and hopefully will help players better understand their air to ground weapons.
Finding your channel has saved my sanity. Thank you.
I live to serve.
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Whoo! Got here in the first 149 people!
Anyway.. thank you for all of your incredibly informative videos! Although 12:15 AM est is a very strange upload time.
Thanks for this! I really enjoy your videos! I am currently learning the Walleye on the A-4E Early. I'm struggling to lock convoy vehicles in sim, but have had success with stationary targets.
Does the sight stabilization do anything related to the missile/bomb/targeting pod sights?
Also, what control axis adjusts the sensitivity for moving the cursor in the TV view?
Very useful, as I didnt play the game in some time, and I got into a match without having keys binded to the drone Atgms 😂
Something to add, (unless I missed it being mentioned), when using laser guided bombs, just make sure that if you can see the CCIP reticle, its best to never put it PAST the target, I've found that its best to put the CCIP reticle a little bit short of the target if you're using it as a reference. If the CCIP reticle is too far past your target, its likely that the seekers on the bombs won't actually see the lase point and will effectively be dropped as dumb bombs. Or even if they do still see the lase point, they likely won't possess the maneuverability to hit the target, since they'll have to counter their entire ballistic arc to turn back into it and essentially end up flying back in the opposite direction that you were traveling when you dropped them. Just as a general rule, try to never overshoot LGBs, but don't worry too much about undershooting them, LGBs can glide very well in Warthunder, probably a little too well lol.
A quick thing about radar, the tornado is only capable of detecting ships due to the larger, more noticeable radar signature that bounces off from the somewhat flat, cold, uniform background that is the water.
I need a Tim's version of "The missile knows where it is". Like. The whole thing. Just for the memes
29:45 also the missiles don't track well, but that'ts on the generic targeting/tracking from War Thunder