*Listens to Paul* mentally asks myself "What about a 357 magnum then ?" *Listens to Paul for about 3 more seconds : Paul: "And that's when someone asks "What about 357 magnum ?" " ... jaw drops
depends on who makes the +p's. not all +p's are created equal. I had some +p+ hydra shocks that bulged/smiley the casing base but got no real velocity diference from the hst vs hst +p's. and then came Georgia arms with a 1200 fps with a 124 grain fmj out of my 5 inch taurus 92. ballistics by the inch is really good for numbers comparisons
I laughed so hard each time the duct tape came off! 😂 But what about 22lr CCI velocitors, stingers, and copper 22 out of a 10/22 on a thursday while surfboarding a F-14 piloted by a T-rex? 😉
Hey man, on a serious note though, the velocity and shape retention of Copper 22 fired from a 20+" rifle might actually have a chance of occasional penetration. I think I have an old 3A groin protector that I might have to test that on.
Kenneth Wilson I'm guessing you'll be losing velocity with .22LR out of a 20"+ barrel over a 16", which may itself be slower than an even shorter barrel. Every loading has an ideal barrel length for max velocity, and .22LR aint 20"+!
“Hey Joe, let’s go do some 3A body armor testing and see how your carry gun does.” “But I’m loaded with my hurten Berger buskaderro tycondas, and I don’t want to shoot my tycondas.” 🤨
You have taught me so much about ammunition and ballistics in the past few months I have been watching your videos. Thank you, Paul, for what you are doing and for everything you have shared. Your channel is a breath of fresh air.
Please, Paul. One more 3a body armor vid about what we're ALL wondering... Will it stop an RPG? Thanks for making vids, I learn something and enjoy them all.
So can we conclude even the 45 A.C.P won't penetrate the vest , the huge amount of energy it absorbs will still want to make you lay down and take a nap?
At 500ft/lbs of energy delivered within 12" of penetration begins to have a negative impact on brain function. At 600ft/lbs of energy it can knock a person out and do very bad things to their brain. This is why it actually hurts more to get shot in a soft vest than without. So getting hit in the chest with a .45acp +p wearing soft body armor will absolutely make you take a nap. Hence why the duct tape kept blowing off. Also why although it will stop a 12 gauge slug you will go to the hospital for internal injuries, and a brain scan. Because above 600ft/lbs of energy delivered in 12" or less it actually begins damaging brain tissue and blood vessels.
Several years back I had the unfortunate experience of witnessing a fellow Officer get shot (while wearing 3A Body Armor) during a entry team exercise. Without going into too much detail he was playing the role of a "bad guy" and as the Team made entry he was shot at a distance of about 10 feet. His vest stopped a .45 230 grain JHP fired from a 1911 style pistol. The result (after the Oh-Shit Factor) was a nice bruise on his chest and moderate complaint of pain for a short time. The vest did it's job even though the "Safety Officer" did not do his. Many lessons were learned and extra precautions were added to the safety procedures.
I think velcro strapping won't fail like rigidly taut duct tape on a surface that doesn't bond to the adhesive particularly well. So fairly certain that the vest will stay on you. :P
@TryNsurviveN - I'm not, hence the term "fairly certain." However, I'd count on the neck hole to keep the vest more or less on the user's body, if that makes sense. I should have said as much. My bad.
.22 Magnum fired from a rifle (24" barrel), with an FMJ bullet, would go through IIIA soft body armor every time, because it's the same bullet diameter and weight as, and has more velocity than, an FN 5.7x28mm bullet fired from the FN Five-Seven pistol.
I just want to say I just found your channel about a week ago and I am binge watching it whenever I can. I am a huge fan of your objective approach to everything and how clearly you speak and present facts. I could literally listen to you talk all day and stay interested. Thank you for your time and energy put into these awesome videos!
Did you know the Olympic Commission will no longer test to ensure one gender doesn't compete in the other gender's games? It's kinda like the u.s. military. If a male w/ 21% body fat is disallowed in, he can say he identifies as a she, and can be allowed in, because females w/ 21% bodyfat are allowed. Mixed up n' messed up!
I didn't want to create a panic but I think it's best if everybody knows about this. You see, the Japanese have PROVEN conclusively, with highly repeatable scientific results, as has been shown in numerous movies (sadly neglected by the Academy Awards and Nobel Prize committees), that radiation induced genetic mutations can create size abnormalities in several species. Mega-Godzilla is the perfect example of that. And due to the Fukushima radiation release there are fears that a body armor shattering Mega-Unicorn will emerge.
SE Michigan Andy aaaaand PCP, did you forget PCP? PCP comes up so often as if it is this really common drug everyone is using. I can't wait for the more realistic question: how many rounds of this 3 1/2" magnum 0000 buckshot load will it take to stop the 130lb opoiod addict slowly shuffling away from the dude with the brandished tacticool shotgun?
@@semichiganandy2127 I know this is an old video and post but I thought you might like to know about Warnicorns. They are bigger and stronger than regular unicorns so 3A might not stop them. vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/star-and-the-forces-of-evil/images/8/86/S2E22_Rock_the_warnicorn_%27push_through_the_pain%27.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20161107060101 starvstheforcesofevil.fandom.com/wiki/Warnicorns
Excellent video! And thumbs up on the Herculoids reference. Tundro's rocks may be stopped by the body armor, but the resulting explosion will kill everything inside the armor.....unless it's Gloop or Gleep.
I don’t think you have given sufficient thought to the Herculoid option, even though I do appreciate that you brought them up. My buddy Joe claims that his level 3A armor in fact can stop a Herculoid rock, if he is 300 yard downrange and upwind from the Herculoid, and the Herculoid is also suffering from a cold. Will you please dedicate both your time and resources to extensively look into this very important scenario? Also, regardless of the result from that, will you also test it in different crosswinds? No, but seriously. Great content and I love your references to the what if brigade. Simply brilliant!
Dang it Paul I was about to head to bed but I just got a notification about this video... Sooooooooo...sleep has to wait for the great gun guru must be heard asap.. I'll watch it then sleep.. Wow I thought I was the only one that remembered The Herculoids but I also remember Birdman, Captain Caveman and Space Ghost.. I'm old.. Great Video Paul
@@JuggoJuggo Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law was so hilarious! I miss that sense if humor, it would be deemed unacceptable by today's spoiled little SJW brats.
The best idea I came away with is simply avoid being shot with anything, and, if you want to reinforce your body armor, don't use duct tape to hold the extra plates in place... Great video, the 22Mag turned out to be a tough customer!
imagine that magnum out of a carbine, [level action as 22 mag doesn't do well out of auto] that would probably give the through results, also I shoot a 33 grain ballistic 22mag that I bet would love that vest. but my 22 is bolt action scoped for longer ranges and not a ready for defense in the house firearm.
Jacob Moll - Henry makes a 22 Mag lever gun that you might want to look at. And even though it's not a small pistol, Keltec makes a 22 Mag auto that carries 30 rounds. My only complaint is that it's a Keltec! I've seen some Keltecs that work just fine and I've seen some cool paperweights with Keltec stamped on the side.
I have an older model 39a in .22, and love it. I have other firearms I use for home defense, just saying that to defeat that armour it would be a viable choice rapid shots, good magazine size, etc.
I love the fact that he truly applies the scientific method to his analysis and tries to give measurable, repeatable results using comparable items of what you would experience outside the laboratory. Definitely one of the best firearms education channels on here.
I know this vid is a few years old but I gotta say, this has to be the best use of Duct Tape I have ever seen on a firearms education channel. Made my day.
The duct tape kept increasing and I kept getting more amused each time, great video, thanks for making these Paul. Also, Centaurs wielding light Sabers could be present during Unicorn barrel hunting season. What should we use on those numbskulls?
Ditto. I have a few of them, right now cutting two of them to 4-5/8" and milling rim clearance for .30-20. My wish-list is for a version of the AutoMag III that would use Carbine magazines and an N-Frame S&W that would use the speedloaders from the Raging Thirty.
Well damn, the armor stopped the .45's from the Thompson but damn it looks like you'd get knocked back into last week! Jeez Mr Paul, you are a Renaissance man, you went from the Herculoids to a Styraccosaurus in one freaking sentence, well done!
Magnum revolver cartridges (e.g., .357, .41, .44) benefit a lot more from carbine barrel lengths than the automatic service pistol cartridges do (e.g., 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP), because they have much higher case capacity and use slower burning powder. A .357 Magnum loaded hot can nearly match the energy of a 7.62×39mm (AK-47 cartridge) when fired from a carbine: Buffalo Bore .357 Magnum 125gr. JHP fired from an 18.5-inch barrel Marlin 1894 = 2,298 FPS www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100 7.62×39mm is usually about 100 FPS faster with the same bullet weight from a typical 16.3" barrel AK-47. By the way, the 9mm from the carbine shouldn't have made it through IIIA body armor, which suggests your body armor was compromised or otherwise defective. From the carbine it was a 115 grain bullet at 1,258 FPS, which is about what you'd get from 115 grain +P ammo from a typical handgun, and less than you'd get from a typical handgun firing .38 Super, .357 SIG, or .357 Magnum, and IIIA body armor is rated to stop all of those. Even the lower grade type IIA body armor is rated against... 124 gr. 9×19mm Parabellum FMJ bullets at a velocity of 1225 ft/s ± 30 ft/s ... and a 124 grain FMJ 9mm bullet at up to 1,255 FPS has significantly more penetration than a 115 grain FMJ 9mm bullet at 1,258 FPS. Type II is rated against 9mm +P and .357 Magnum, and type II is still a lower grade than IIIA. Type IIIA is rated against .357 SIG, .44 Magnum, and 10mm Auto, as well as Russian 7H21 9mm, which is specifically designed to defeat body armor: "The 7N21 (Cyrillic: 7Н21) 9×19mm overpressure variant features an armour-piercing bullet and generates a peak pressure of 280 MPa (41,000 psi)."
I literally model my teaching style after this guy... I've no experience teaching anything, but I've had to train some colleagues on skills I picked up in previous jobs. Perfect combo of knowledge, no-nonsense realism and a touch of hilarious deadpan humor!
Love your vid's ! Yes I remember that Herculoid thing ! Lol My one gripe ( had to be one , right ! ) is the term Spear point bullet . Some folks may take that to mean a bullet manufactured by the Speer bullet Co. The term mostly used for the "pointy" type bullets is a Spitzer . So named because a German developed it and the German military adopted it in the early 1900' s . It actually affected the U.S. Militaries plans . I'm sure you are aware that the 30-03 was the first cartridge to be designed for use in the '03 Springfield. It used the standard long roundnosed bullets ( 220 gr ) that all Militaries used at that time . Thus when the Germans brought out the Spitzer bullet for the 8×57 Mauser round , with its superior ballistics , the world raced to catch up ! Thus was born the 30-06 with its Standard 150 gr Spitzer bullets ! Lol . Sorry for the novel , but just thought I'd try to throw in a little bit of my vastly miniscule knowledge on the term Spitzer ! Lol
Proably cause that's what they are actually called, its just that I would say the majority of people don't know that and Mr.Harrell isn't just referring to spitzer cartridges he literally means anything pointy so things like ballistic tips come into play as well.
Several years back during a Tactical Team training exercise I witnessed a Team Member get shot with a .45 230 grain FMJ round from a 1911 style pistol. He was wearing Level 3 Body Armor and it stopped the round. He did have a large bruise on his chest and was in a bit of pain. His friend (the one that shot him) was really upset and took awhile to settle down.
I had to pause the video to laugh when the camera cut to the barrel wrapped in duck tape.....and then it still broke. As always Paul, fantastic video ripe with information and enough dry humor to make beef jerky.
Herculoids... lol Good stufff. Been subbed for a while now. I appreciate the "semi-scientific", "real-world" approach to your testing methods. Keep it up and I'll keep on watching! :)
Paul you are my kind of people, you tottaly nutz, just like me!!! Your info is spot on. It lets you see what these things really are about. Thanks for all you are.
@@facasdeguerra8402 I assume your referring to the Russian drum mag available for the ww2 Russian machine-gun that utilises the cartridge? In this instance yes it's capacity wins the round, but it's availability compared to the 357 sig platform, which is a much more modern design, as well as a bigger diameter round, for me puts it ahead. Although if I lived in the states I wouldn't turn down a tokorev.
3A is supposed to protect against 9mm, 357 sig, 44 mag and 357 mag from handguns. That 9mm from a carbine would not be more powerful than a 357 mag and went through. was the vest compromised? seems it didn't do the job it was "supposed" to do.
Good question. I looked up the info, and standard .357M hollowpoints shot from a 4" barrel have virtually the same energy ft/lbs as similar 9mm from a 16" barrel. Given the same bullet diameter, it is a question that both should perform identically against the 3A (either both pen, or both stopped).
@@eriktrimble8784 " I looked up the info, and standard .357M hollowpoints shot from a 4" barrel have virtually the same energy ft/lbs as similar 9mm from a 16" barrel." The .357 Magnum has a lot more energy than the stuff Paul was shooting in this video. He got 1,258 FPS with a 115-grain bullet from the 9mm carbine (404 ft-lbs). A .357 Magnum pushes a 125-grain bullet to about 1,450 FPS from a 4" barrel revolver (584 ft-lbs).
Thanks Mr. Harrell. My math supported 9x19 penetrating level III soft armor out of 7.5+ inch barrel. But it sure was a lot more entertaining and fun to watch you demonstrate that theory on the range!
Paul is probably the most thoughtful and detailed person on the subject, and arguably any subject. Was thinking about .357Magnum/Sig, and even .38 Super half way through the video, then Paul mentions it at the end. Great work, as always.
I love your videos Paul especially body armor and ammo testing subscribing !! I cannot believe a 22 mag slipped through 3A body armor i would have never thought that could happen!! Great video brother
Hi Paul! I was just looking at ballistics for the .357 mag and apparently muzzle energy from a 4" barrel is around 600 ft/lbs and from an 18" barrel is around a 1000 ft/ lbs (!) maybe a meat target test ?
He could compare that with a 10mm out of a 4inch and 16inch. The 135 grain extreme penetrator from underwood can eclipse 1000 ftlbs as well out of a long rifle.
I was a bit surprised that the 9mm from the carbine penetrated. The 3-A is rated for 9mm +p at 1300 fps i believe. Very interesting. No surprise on the 45- it is fatter and slower. Logic suggests that any expanding bullet has a lower chance of penetrating than a similar non-expanding bullet. The old urban legend was that a 22 WMR would go through first generation vests (about level 2-a back then) because the weave of the material was not as tight and the small bullet could essentially slip through. A lot of bad guys made it a point to get .22WMR snubbies, mini revolvers or derringers. Don't know if any cops were injured by them or not. Thanks for dispelling some myths. Excellent presentation as always
The test would take too long from him having to clear malfunctions. Probably would only get 2 or 3 shots on the target before having to clear a ftf/fte/ double feed or a rimlock in the magazine. Lol
A duct tape covered new high tech fleece bullet stop would make you invincible. Just to be safe add some pork chop pectorals and orange lung tissue and wear a leather jacket over it.
What LW said, they are cheap, heavy and look like crap but they run much better than 99% of people give them credit for. If I only had $200ish and had to have a pistol a Hi-point would be my choice unless I found a good deal on something used. Their carbines are also very solid and would be a good home defense weapon for someone who was on a budget and can't handle a shotgun.
Now Chris... Hi point pistols are definitely for the budget minded, who won't fire it much. (I only know one person with the carbine, and he likes it. But, he hasn't put lots of rounds through it, so longevity?) I personally have purchased these pistols to test them. Each one (of the 5 my group tried) had catastrophic failures around the 2200-2500 round mark. If you are looking for a home defense pistol on the cheap, that you will dry fire practice with mostly, I say why not. (I also think adding 50 or 60 bucks and getting an SCCY CPX 2, or other pistol in that price range, is a better option. 2 cents, ymmv)
Stew Pidasso I have matching pistol and carbine in 40sw. The carbine is awesome. I have over 1500 rounds through the carbine with no issues, except when using ProMag hi cap mags, which has a slightly different follower and causes "nose diving". Only cleaned it once the whole time. It was pretty nasty when I finally sprayed a can of bore cleaner through it.
.357 Magnum travels faster in a handgun than a 9MM out of a Carbine. Level 2 can stop .357 Magnum. So a Level 3A should have no issue. My question is. How old, how worn and was it even NIJ rated?
Thanks for the additional soft armor limitations video. The penetration and lack of that did occur would have been visualized with the addition of your famously popular meat target underneath. (probably perfume and lipstick on the pig at this point) Thank you again !
Hurculoids reference just put you in the number one channel spot in my book. Your a classy guy. Keep up the good work. And happy veterans day from a sailor.🇺🇸
I was a late bloomer, so didn't get around to it until I was in our equivalent of 5th grade, ie age 11, when I was old enough to go out and buy gun magazines by myself.
1 thousand likes 0 dislikes even the trolls appreciate how great your videos are presented. Surely the most under rated channel right now as always fantastic content thank you!
I think even if your shot with either of them and the bullet did not penetrate your still going to be rolling around on the floor wishing your life was over ^^
1blackdeath51501 It will depend on the armor and the bullet hitting you but I doubt any common pistol caliber would break a rib if caught by a vest. Maybe if it was low on your vest and hit one of the weaker ribs down there. Either way, you would be glad to just have a bad bruise or a broken rib.
Chris Jones It would absolutely break a rib. A pistol GSW to the femur will fracture it. The dispersed, blunted trauma of a GSW to the vest will break the rib under it, if not more adjacent to it.
It may not penetrate but I’m sure it will hurt like heck and until one checks themselves they gotta wonder if they did get shot.another great video Paul.i sure learn a lot from you sir :)
I like the comment section how it isn't some 12 year old who knows the name of one caliber, 50. No comments like, shoot a 50 cal at a pound of feathers or dumb shit like that.
What's so wrong about wanting to see stuff shot with a .50 cal? Do you hate fun or something? I know not every channel has to do stuff like that, but there's nothing wrong with asking the channels that do to do more.
WHAT IF you hit a 3A body armor by a phaser (type 2) from Star Trek TOS? And what about the heat? Could you test that under different weather conditions? :D
I think you should test Liberty's Civil Defence .45. They are .78 grain@1900fps. 9mm version (50gr@2000fps) penetrates 3A out of handgun so I'm curious to see if .45 can do the same.
Actually people have tested that... the ONLY round from Liberty from a handgun that got through 3A soft was the 10mm. Plenty of people have done that test.
I can't imagine anyone staying in the fight even if the round doesn't penetrate. That shit looked painful. I bet the concussion alone would fuck up an organ or two.
Jay Zenitram Would be painful for sure. But there are many instances of people (some by training & some high on drugs) staying in the fight even without body armor. Some of those without body armor and taking several hits have fought long enough to do lethal damage.
*Listens to Paul* mentally asks myself "What about a 357 magnum then ?"
*Listens to Paul for about 3 more seconds : Paul: "And that's when someone asks "What about 357 magnum ?" "
... jaw drops
Happens to me all the time. Objections or questions pop up in my head and he addresses them right away.
be nice to see 9mm +p from the carbine, although the results are probably a foregone conclusion.
If standard pressure 9mm zip thorugh, it is obvious that +P will as well.
depends on who makes the +p's. not all +p's are created equal. I had some +p+ hydra shocks that bulged/smiley the casing base but got no real velocity diference from the hst vs hst +p's. and then came Georgia arms with a 1200 fps with a 124 grain fmj out of my 5 inch taurus 92. ballistics by the inch is really good for numbers comparisons
This was a really interesting result in light of the .357 SIG not defeating the body armor with superior velocity and bullet weight...
When Unicorns are outlawed, only Outlaws will have unicorns.
I had one corn on my toe once, would that be considered a unicorn?
Today is 8 APR 2019 I was just informed that tomorrow is national unicorn today.
Paul Harrell dang Paul, you responded 9 months later, you’re really dedicated and that’s very admirable.?
Ignore that question mark
That reminds me, I need to renew my subscription to NUA.
Long live the NUA!! ✊
Double bonus points for the Herculoids reference.
If I wasn't already a subscriber, I damn sure would be now.
Paul knows his stuff.......love this guys vids...
Brian Anderson I agree. In fact, I just did.
That is exactly what I thought of.
lol, I was going to say this, but...... I'll just thumbs yer comment up
The real take away is that if shooting with 45 ACP, you must shoot twice; the first to remove the vest.
I learned not to use duct tape to hold my body armor on
I laughed so hard each time the duct tape came off! 😂
But what about 22lr CCI velocitors, stingers, and copper 22 out of a 10/22 on a thursday while surfboarding a F-14 piloted by a T-rex? 😉
That's just crazy! Everyone knows a T-Rex's arms are too short to reach the joystick !!
makes me want to buy a .45 lol
PaladinVII Wont work, it has to be the third Tuesday of the month during a full moon.
Hey man, on a serious note though, the velocity and shape retention of Copper 22 fired from a 20+" rifle might actually have a chance of occasional penetration. I think I have an old 3A groin protector that I might have to test that on.
Kenneth Wilson
I'm guessing you'll be losing velocity with .22LR out of a 20"+ barrel over a 16", which may itself be slower than an even shorter barrel. Every loading has an ideal barrel length for max velocity, and .22LR aint 20"+!
“Hey Joe, let’s go do some 3A body armor testing and see how your carry gun does.”
“But I’m loaded with my hurten Berger buskaderro tycondas, and I don’t want to shoot my tycondas.”
🤨
Hurten Berger? Is that what the Swedish chef uses?
Hahahahaha
Why do I get the feeling that the epitaph on Joe’s tombstone is going to say something along the lines “He didn’t want to shoot his tycondas?”
Tycondasssss
@@billysmith5409 His headstone will be in the shape of a Tyconda.
You have taught me so much about ammunition and ballistics in the past few months I have been watching your videos. Thank you, Paul, for what you are doing and for everything you have shared. Your channel is a breath of fresh air.
I appreciate the comedy you've put into these latest videos.
Please, Paul.
One more 3a body armor vid about what we're ALL wondering...
Will it stop an RPG?
Thanks for making vids, I learn something and enjoy them all.
Stop its forward momentum, or stop it from killing you?
Because yes, and no.
Probably not and that's one reason why the 2nd Amendment does NOT mention the word "firearm"
SHIT NO!!!!!
Only if it is fired by Abu Hajaar!
My response is anti tank or anti personal?
So can we conclude even the 45 A.C.P won't penetrate the vest , the huge amount of energy it absorbs will still want to make you lay down and take a nap?
Good point. Like being slammed in the chest with a sledgehammer.
A hit to the heart area will likely stop the heart.
Very possible conclusion.
Yeah, you can still easily die from internal injuries.
At 500ft/lbs of energy delivered within 12" of penetration begins to have a negative impact on brain function. At 600ft/lbs of energy it can knock a person out and do very bad things to their brain. This is why it actually hurts more to get shot in a soft vest than without. So getting hit in the chest with a .45acp +p wearing soft body armor will absolutely make you take a nap.
Hence why the duct tape kept blowing off. Also why although it will stop a 12 gauge slug you will go to the hospital for internal injuries, and a brain scan. Because above 600ft/lbs of energy delivered in 12" or less it actually begins damaging brain tissue and blood vessels.
Several years back I had the unfortunate experience of witnessing a fellow Officer get shot (while wearing 3A Body Armor) during a entry team exercise. Without going into too much detail he was playing the role of a "bad guy" and as the Team made entry he was shot at a distance of about 10 feet. His vest stopped a .45 230 grain JHP fired from a 1911 style pistol. The result (after the Oh-Shit Factor) was a nice bruise on his chest and moderate complaint of pain for a short time. The vest did it's job even though the "Safety Officer" did not do his. Many lessons were learned and extra precautions were added to the safety procedures.
Someone got fired.
.45 + Body armor: When you want to break absolutely every rib in his chest.
And, to quote Joseph Wambaugh, "smash his spleen like a rotten peach".
"Here's our IIIA body armor, and here's you..."
Hey no, wait! I didn't agree to this!
You heard it here, boys. .357's rule, .45's drool!
(Running away as quickly as my lil legs will carry me)
.45's are just glorified dodgeballs. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a 45.
The Japanese soldiers killed by my ancestors during WW-2 with .45 ACP 1911's would differ with you.
@@taraswertelecki7874 To be fair, they where sitting in a group on their knees after the battle when that happened...
@@ZarkowsWorld What's your point?
@@scottc543 It was a ref. to the execution of POW's during the Pacific campaign, which happened. Hope you didn't take too much offense to the joke.
45ACP will remove the vest, then the subsequent shots will kill you.
I think velcro strapping won't fail like rigidly taut duct tape on a surface that doesn't bond to the adhesive particularly well. So fairly certain that the vest will stay on you. :P
Archangelm127 How can you be sure?;-)
@TryNsurviveN - I'm not, hence the term "fairly certain." However, I'd count on the neck hole to keep the vest more or less on the user's body, if that makes sense. I should have said as much. My bad.
45 ACP will hit a man and if it doesn't kill them.. it kills their soul!! The only thing left is a husk.
THAT'S THE POWER OF THE .45 ACP!
/s lol
No argument there. Hella kinetic force. :)
Keep the patreon donations coming - Paul needs more duct tape! Another great vid Paul
I've always felt that the .22WMR did not receive the respect that it deserves.
Maybe it should be renamed the RDM (Rodney Dangerfield Magnum) instead? :o)
LarryC213 I respect it
It´s just a matter of perspective. I think that it is well respected by those who have been hit by them!
I think it's just because they're so darn expensive, just like the .22 Hornet, both great little cartridges.
.22 Magnum fired from a rifle (24" barrel), with an FMJ bullet, would go through IIIA soft body armor every time, because it's the same bullet diameter and weight as, and has more velocity than, an FN 5.7x28mm bullet fired from the FN Five-Seven pistol.
I just want to say I just found your channel about a week ago and I am binge watching it whenever I can. I am a huge fan of your objective approach to everything and how clearly you speak and present facts. I could literally listen to you talk all day and stay interested. Thank you for your time and energy put into these awesome videos!
What if it's a large unicorn? Like one that takes steroids.
The unicorn commission throughly tests for performance enhancing drugs, and has been since the unicorn doping scandal of 1996.
Did you know the Olympic Commission will no longer test to ensure one gender doesn't compete in the other gender's games? It's kinda like the u.s. military. If a male w/ 21% body fat is disallowed in, he can say he identifies as a she, and can be allowed in, because females w/ 21% bodyfat are allowed. Mixed up n' messed up!
I didn't want to create a panic but I think it's best if everybody knows about this. You see, the Japanese have PROVEN conclusively, with highly repeatable scientific results, as has been shown in numerous movies (sadly neglected by the Academy Awards and Nobel Prize committees), that radiation induced genetic mutations can create size abnormalities in several species. Mega-Godzilla is the perfect example of that. And due to the Fukushima radiation release there are fears that a body armor shattering Mega-Unicorn will emerge.
SE Michigan Andy
aaaaand PCP, did you forget PCP?
PCP comes up so often as if it is this really common drug everyone is using. I can't wait for the more realistic question: how many rounds of this 3 1/2" magnum 0000 buckshot load will it take to stop the 130lb opoiod addict slowly shuffling away from the dude with the brandished tacticool shotgun?
@@semichiganandy2127 I know this is an old video and post but I thought you might like to know about Warnicorns. They are bigger and stronger than regular unicorns so 3A might not stop them.
vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/star-and-the-forces-of-evil/images/8/86/S2E22_Rock_the_warnicorn_%27push_through_the_pain%27.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20161107060101
starvstheforcesofevil.fandom.com/wiki/Warnicorns
If your attacker was to throw his pommel at you would 3A armor prevent him from ending you rightly? Not sure that anyone here will get the joke
heh
0rangecakeslayer 1 end them rightly
0rangecakeslayer 1 skallagrim?
Yep
SKALL!
Duct tape: fails to hold the armor in place
Me: COMEDY GOLD
Stfu weeb
Excellent video! And thumbs up on the Herculoids reference. Tundro's rocks may be stopped by the body armor, but the resulting explosion will kill everything inside the armor.....unless it's Gloop or Gleep.
I've wondered about .22 mag rounds and their effectiveness against 3A body armor. Thanks for the tests, and the video.
"I think I've got *enough* duct tape..." NOPE. LOL
Demerits for using duct tape instead of gaff tape.
Sarcastic sound guy here who can't stand when people bring duct tape to a gig....
I don’t think you have given sufficient thought to the Herculoid option, even though I do appreciate that you brought them up. My buddy Joe claims that his level 3A armor in fact can stop a Herculoid rock, if he is 300 yard downrange and upwind from the Herculoid, and the Herculoid is also suffering from a cold. Will you please dedicate both your time and resources to extensively look into this very important scenario? Also, regardless of the result from that, will you also test it in different crosswinds?
No, but seriously. Great content and I love your references to the what if brigade. Simply brilliant!
This is 100% pure gold. The ductape blasted off that barrel.
Dang it Paul I was about to head to bed but I just got a notification about this video... Sooooooooo...sleep has to wait for the great gun guru must be heard asap.. I'll watch it then sleep.. Wow I thought I was the only one that remembered The Herculoids but I also remember Birdman, Captain Caveman and Space Ghost.. I'm old.. Great Video Paul
They redid Birdman and Space Ghost as comedies, Birdman as a lawyer and Space Ghost as a talk show host, some of the funniest shows ever.
Juggo fortytwo
Those are the ones I have seen. And Sea Lab 2021. Funny stuff
The guy that did Murphy's voice died in the middle of a season, the show was never the same, Sea Lab was my favorite.
Don't forget Zorak!
@@JuggoJuggo Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law was so hilarious! I miss that sense if humor, it would be deemed unacceptable by today's spoiled little SJW brats.
Harrell's videos are the only ones I insta-like w/o watching first ... never disappointed :)
I do the same thing
its 4 am i've been watch paul videos for 2.5 hours!
The best idea I came away with is simply avoid being shot with anything, and, if you want to reinforce your body armor, don't use duct tape to hold the extra plates in place...
Great video, the 22Mag turned out to be a tough customer!
imagine that magnum out of a carbine, [level action as 22 mag doesn't do well out of auto] that would probably give the through results, also I shoot a 33 grain ballistic 22mag that I bet would love that vest. but my 22 is bolt action scoped for longer ranges and not a ready for defense in the house firearm.
Jacob Moll - Henry makes a 22 Mag lever gun that you might want to look at.
And even though it's not a small pistol, Keltec makes a 22 Mag auto that carries 30 rounds. My only complaint is that it's a Keltec! I've seen some Keltecs that work just fine and I've seen some cool paperweights with Keltec stamped on the side.
I have an older model 39a in .22, and love it. I have other firearms I use for home defense, just saying that to defeat that armour it would be a viable choice rapid shots, good magazine size, etc.
I love the fact that he truly applies the scientific method to his analysis and tries to give measurable, repeatable results using comparable items of what you would experience outside the laboratory. Definitely one of the best firearms education channels on here.
I know this vid is a few years old but I gotta say, this has to be the best use of Duct Tape I have ever seen on a firearms education channel. Made my day.
The duct tape kept increasing and I kept getting more amused each time, great video, thanks for making these Paul. Also, Centaurs wielding light Sabers could be present during Unicorn barrel hunting season. What should we use on those numbskulls?
The one overlooked, that does really well on soft body armor is the ol
Ruger Blackhawk in .30 M1 carbine
Ditto. I have a few of them, right now cutting two of them to 4-5/8" and milling rim clearance for .30-20. My wish-list is for a version of the AutoMag III that would use Carbine magazines and an N-Frame S&W that would use the speedloaders from the Raging Thirty.
Well damn, the armor stopped the .45's from the Thompson but damn it looks like you'd get knocked back into last week! Jeez Mr Paul, you are a Renaissance man, you went from the Herculoids to a Styraccosaurus in one freaking sentence, well done!
I enjoy that he is straight to the point whenever he makes a video.
Hmmm, it looks like the best bet is avoid getting shot! Great video and good info Paul!
Paul, I don't know how you kept a straight face for the last 40 seconds of the video. Great stuff!
i seriously can not get enough of your videos. i am constantly referring new shooters to your videos.
Paul I swear-- literally every time I search something up because I'm interested... you have a video on it. Bless.
Magnum revolver cartridges (e.g., .357, .41, .44) benefit a lot more from carbine barrel lengths than the automatic service pistol cartridges do (e.g., 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP), because they have much higher case capacity and use slower burning powder. A .357 Magnum loaded hot can nearly match the energy of a 7.62×39mm (AK-47 cartridge) when fired from a carbine:
Buffalo Bore .357 Magnum 125gr. JHP fired from an 18.5-inch barrel Marlin 1894 = 2,298 FPS
www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100
7.62×39mm is usually about 100 FPS faster with the same bullet weight from a typical 16.3" barrel AK-47.
By the way, the 9mm from the carbine shouldn't have made it through IIIA body armor, which suggests your body armor was compromised or otherwise defective. From the carbine it was a 115 grain bullet at 1,258 FPS, which is about what you'd get from 115 grain +P ammo from a typical handgun, and less than you'd get from a typical handgun firing .38 Super, .357 SIG, or .357 Magnum, and IIIA body armor is rated to stop all of those. Even the lower grade type IIA body armor is rated against...
124 gr. 9×19mm Parabellum FMJ bullets at a velocity of 1225 ft/s ± 30 ft/s
... and a 124 grain FMJ 9mm bullet at up to 1,255 FPS has significantly more penetration than a 115 grain FMJ 9mm bullet at 1,258 FPS.
Type II is rated against 9mm +P and .357 Magnum, and type II is still a lower grade than IIIA. Type IIIA is rated against .357 SIG, .44 Magnum, and 10mm Auto, as well as Russian 7H21 9mm, which is specifically designed to defeat body armor:
"The 7N21 (Cyrillic: 7Н21) 9×19mm overpressure variant features an armour-piercing bullet and generates a peak pressure of 280 MPa (41,000 psi)."
9:56 I cracked a laugh when he shot at it and the body armor fell again hahahahaha
I literally model my teaching style after this guy... I've no experience teaching anything, but I've had to train some colleagues on skills I picked up in previous jobs. Perfect combo of knowledge, no-nonsense realism and a touch of hilarious deadpan humor!
I have watched this video twice and I laughed again at the body armor "tape issues". Great physical humor even if unintended.
Love your vid's ! Yes I remember that Herculoid thing ! Lol
My one gripe ( had to be one , right ! ) is the term Spear point bullet . Some folks may take that to mean a bullet manufactured by the Speer bullet Co. The term mostly used for the "pointy" type bullets is a Spitzer . So named because a German developed it and the German military adopted it in the early 1900' s . It actually affected the U.S. Militaries plans . I'm sure you are aware that the 30-03 was the first cartridge to be designed for use in the '03 Springfield. It used the standard long roundnosed bullets ( 220 gr ) that all Militaries used at that time . Thus when the Germans brought out the Spitzer bullet for the 8×57 Mauser round , with its superior ballistics , the world raced to catch up ! Thus was born the 30-06 with its Standard 150 gr Spitzer bullets ! Lol .
Sorry for the novel , but just thought I'd try to throw in a little bit of my vastly miniscule knowledge on the term Spitzer ! Lol
Tracy Stubblèfield do I smell forgotten weapons?
only people I consistently hear calling em "spitzer" instead of "pointy"
John smith actually it's from a Jack O'Connor book that I've had for 30 + years . I think it was published in the early 60's .
makes sense
have always heard them referred to as spitzers
Proably cause that's what they are actually called, its just that I would say the majority of people don't know that and Mr.Harrell isn't just referring to spitzer cartridges he literally means anything pointy so things like ballistic tips come into play as well.
Love your style ! I saw a video that a 9mm Liberty Civil Defense went through body armor because it moves at 2000 fps.
Several years back during a Tactical Team training exercise I witnessed a Team Member get shot with a .45 230 grain FMJ round from a 1911 style pistol. He was wearing Level 3 Body Armor and it stopped the round. He did have a large bruise on his chest and was in a bit of pain. His friend (the one that shot him) was really upset and took awhile to settle down.
I think I know why these videos get so few views, THEY HAVE NO KEYWORDS / AREN'T TAGGED. For the love of unicorn horns please apply keywords Paul.
Would love to see your thoughts on Lehigh Defense/ Underwood extreme penetrators and defenders and maybe some of their other exotic bullets.
Sorry Badger but thoughts can't be seen! You either speak them or write them down!
gotta say, you rock that Thompson!
I had to pause the video to laugh when the camera cut to the barrel wrapped in duck tape.....and then it still broke. As always Paul, fantastic video ripe with information and enough dry humor to make beef jerky.
Herculoids... lol Good stufff. Been subbed for a while now. I appreciate the "semi-scientific", "real-world" approach to your testing methods. Keep it up and I'll keep on watching! :)
Your videos are very entertaining and informative. Have a great weekend and thank you.
hands down this is the best gun info. channel on youtube...
Paul you are my kind of people, you tottaly nutz, just like me!!! Your info is spot on. It lets you see what these things really are about. Thanks for all you are.
7.62x25 Tokarev is the best caliber for pistol and carbines.
357 sig is good too.
@@MrRedeyedJedi not in capacity
@@facasdeguerra8402 I assume your referring to the Russian drum mag available for the ww2 Russian machine-gun that utilises the cartridge? In this instance yes it's capacity wins the round, but it's availability compared to the 357 sig platform, which is a much more modern design, as well as a bigger diameter round, for me puts it ahead. Although if I lived in the states I wouldn't turn down a tokorev.
3A is supposed to protect against 9mm, 357 sig, 44 mag and 357 mag from handguns. That 9mm from a carbine would not be more powerful than a 357 mag and went through. was the vest compromised? seems it didn't do the job it was "supposed" to do.
Good question. I looked up the info, and standard .357M hollowpoints shot from a 4" barrel have virtually the same energy ft/lbs as similar 9mm from a 16" barrel. Given the same bullet diameter, it is a question that both should perform identically against the 3A (either both pen, or both stopped).
It may stop a .44 magnum, but it will still hurt in an extremely bad way.
Especially if you don't have a unicorn with you wearing a purple magic robe.
@@eriktrimble8784 " I looked up the info, and standard .357M hollowpoints shot from a 4" barrel have virtually the same energy ft/lbs as similar 9mm from a 16" barrel."
The .357 Magnum has a lot more energy than the stuff Paul was shooting in this video. He got 1,258 FPS with a 115-grain bullet from the 9mm carbine (404 ft-lbs). A .357 Magnum pushes a 125-grain bullet to about 1,450 FPS from a 4" barrel revolver (584 ft-lbs).
It may have to do with the pointed shape of 9mm vs 357.
I like the way u reason and explained... It make sense
Thanks Mr. Harrell. My math supported 9x19 penetrating level III soft armor out of 7.5+ inch barrel. But it sure was a lot more entertaining and fun to watch you demonstrate that theory on the range!
".45 ACP, Wont go through 3A armor, but if will fuck some duct tape up!"
Looked painfull for the drum
Pain does not necessarily stop people from shooting back, shredded lungs probably do though.
Pretty sure crushed ribs shred lungs
Looks to me that getting shot with a 45 will fuck up your day - body armor or not.
When Duct Tape does attack, we know now how we defend ourselves.
Pretty sure the 3a was degraded as that 9x19 from a carbine was below NIJ 2 test velocity standards
Paul is probably the most thoughtful and detailed person on the subject, and arguably any subject. Was thinking about .357Magnum/Sig, and even .38 Super half way through the video, then Paul mentions it at the end. Great work, as always.
I love your videos Paul especially body armor and ammo testing subscribing !! I cannot believe a 22 mag slipped through 3A body armor i would have never thought that could happen!! Great video brother
That tape had me laughing... good vid
Hi Paul! I was just looking at ballistics for the .357 mag and apparently muzzle energy from a 4" barrel is around 600 ft/lbs and from an 18" barrel is around a 1000 ft/ lbs (!) maybe a meat target test ?
He could compare that with a 10mm out of a 4inch and 16inch. The 135 grain extreme penetrator from underwood can eclipse 1000 ftlbs as well out of a long rifle.
I was a bit surprised that the 9mm from the carbine penetrated. The 3-A is rated for 9mm +p at 1300 fps i believe. Very interesting. No surprise on the 45- it is fatter and slower. Logic suggests that any expanding bullet has a lower chance of penetrating than a similar non-expanding bullet. The old urban legend was that a 22 WMR would go through first generation vests (about level 2-a back then) because the weave of the material was not as tight and the small bullet could essentially slip through. A lot of bad guys made it a point to get .22WMR snubbies, mini revolvers or derringers. Don't know if any cops were injured by them or not. Thanks for dispelling some myths. Excellent presentation as always
I simply loved the armor flying off despite all the duct tape. Paul can't control every factor perfectly all the time! He is human! Good video.
You need to hit that with a Kel-Tec PMR-30!
The test would take too long from him having to clear malfunctions. Probably would only get 2 or 3 shots on the target before having to clear a ftf/fte/ double feed or a rimlock in the magazine. Lol
What if the extra duct tape was helping the vest stop the .45 ACP? *snicker*
A duct tape covered new high tech fleece bullet stop would make you invincible.
Just to be safe add some pork chop pectorals and orange lung tissue and wear a leather jacket over it.
My favorite part is the duct tape fail. Not sure why, but it always causes a giggle. 😊
Sometimes I watch old Paul Harrell videos to just chill out and relax
Video Idea: Paul's opinions on High Point pistols?
or hi point carbine
A boy and his rifle. It's been done to death. Functionally good but not ideal for conceal carry.
What LW said, they are cheap, heavy and look like crap but they run much better than 99% of people give them credit for. If I only had $200ish and had to have a pistol a Hi-point would be my choice unless I found a good deal on something used. Their carbines are also very solid and would be a good home defense weapon for someone who was on a budget and can't handle a shotgun.
Now Chris... Hi point pistols are definitely for the budget minded, who won't fire it much. (I only know one person with the carbine, and he likes it. But, he hasn't put lots of rounds through it, so longevity?) I personally have purchased these pistols to test them. Each one (of the 5 my group tried) had catastrophic failures around the 2200-2500 round mark. If you are looking for a home defense pistol on the cheap, that you will dry fire practice with mostly, I say why not. (I also think adding 50 or 60 bucks and getting an SCCY CPX 2, or other pistol in that price range, is a better option. 2 cents, ymmv)
Stew Pidasso I have matching pistol and carbine in 40sw. The carbine is awesome. I have over 1500 rounds through the carbine with no issues, except when using ProMag hi cap mags, which has a slightly different follower and causes "nose diving". Only cleaned it once the whole time. It was pretty nasty when I finally sprayed a can of bore cleaner through it.
.357 Magnum travels faster in a handgun than a 9MM out of a Carbine.
Level 2 can stop .357 Magnum. So a Level 3A should have no issue.
My question is. How old, how worn and was it even NIJ rated?
Thanks for the additional soft armor limitations video.
The penetration and lack of that did occur would have been visualized with the addition of your famously popular meat target underneath.
(probably perfume and lipstick on the pig at this point)
Thank you again !
Hurculoids reference just put you in the number one channel spot in my book. Your a classy guy. Keep up the good work.
And happy veterans day from a sailor.🇺🇸
I've never laughed so hard about anything having to do with guns before in my life!! The duct tape!!!
2:05 Only Paul Harrell can say he thought about ballistics in 2nd grade!
I was a late bloomer, so didn't get around to it until I was in our equivalent of 5th grade, ie age 11, when I was old enough to go out and buy gun magazines by myself.
Never ceases to amaze me the power of a 22 Magnum
We must have least a little of the temperament resulting in much more tape on the target at 9:33. Awesome! And, another great video, thank you.
i love your videos paul
I thought your profile picture was a hair on my screen and I couldn't figure out why it wasn't coming off.
Yance_000 think that's the point.
Gets me every time I look at Paul's comments. I still chuckle
You win, john doe... I spent few second trying to get the 'eyelash' off my phone screen! Bwahahahaaa!
Also dont forget Jonny Quest 😎.
1 thousand likes 0 dislikes even the trolls appreciate how great your videos are presented. Surely the most under rated channel right now as always fantastic content thank you!
Anyone else search for Herculoids episodes? That brings back some memories. Thanks Paul.
Liberty 9mm +P 2000fps will penetrate most soft body armor.
I think even if your shot with either of them and the bullet did not penetrate your still going to be rolling around on the floor wishing your life was over ^^
Maybe, or maybe you wouldn't even notice being hit. When the adrenaline is pumping, theres no telling how you are gonna react.
I wouldn't count on that at all, it would hurt for sure but may not even slow someone down depending on the circumstances.
You guys think, i would have thought it would have broken a rib or two?
1blackdeath51501 It will depend on the armor and the bullet hitting you but I doubt any common pistol caliber would break a rib if caught by a vest. Maybe if it was low on your vest and hit one of the weaker ribs down there. Either way, you would be glad to just have a bad bruise or a broken rib.
Chris Jones It would absolutely break a rib. A pistol GSW to the femur will fracture it. The dispersed, blunted trauma of a GSW to the vest will break the rib under it, if not more adjacent to it.
It may not penetrate but I’m sure it will hurt like heck and until one checks themselves they gotta wonder if they did get shot.another great video Paul.i sure learn a lot from you sir :)
I've never heard of the Herculoids and had to look it up. His description of Tundro is spot on.
I like the comment section how it isn't some 12 year old who knows the name of one caliber, 50. No comments like, shoot a 50 cal at a pound of feathers or dumb shit like that.
What's so wrong about wanting to see stuff shot with a .50 cal? Do you hate fun or something?
I know not every channel has to do stuff like that, but there's nothing wrong with asking the channels that do to do more.
Chris Hunt I have no problem with things like that other then it's overdone.
Well, when a channel builds it's fame on shooting things with .50s, what else can you expect?
u r dum. it shud be .50 cal vs. 50 pounds of feathers, duh.
Quinn Hovermale *other than (fify) ;)
WHAT IF you hit a 3A body armor by a phaser (type 2) from Star Trek TOS? And what about the heat? Could you test that under different weather conditions? :D
Thanks Paul. Your videos are awesome and informative. I was really surprised to see how much more powerful the pistol calibers are in a longer barrel.
Getting all nostalgic now after Paul mentioned The Herculoids.
I think you should test Liberty's Civil Defence .45. They are .78 grain@1900fps. 9mm version (50gr@2000fps) penetrates 3A out of handgun so I'm curious to see if .45 can do the same.
Actually people have tested that... the ONLY round from Liberty from a handgun that got through 3A soft was the 10mm. Plenty of people have done that test.
9mm goes through soft 3A but both are stopped by hard 3A. I'm curious if .45 will go through soft 3A.
It wont.
You are no fun my man.
Sorry that I'm just telling you that it wont. You seem to have an attachment to .45 ACP. The round just wont do it.
U should make a gun colletion video. And show us all your guns and shoot your favorites
Angel Abraham not today, ATF.
LMFAO when the tape busted after you added what seemed like the whole roll...
I was pleasantly surprised by the results of 9mm carbine. Didn't expect that to go through
.22 mag from a rifle will defeat 3a. So will a .17hmr. like an ice pick.
So basically my 45 acp is useless?
No, just shoot them in the balls instead
Alrick Green not if the perp is wearing duct tape body armor
I can't imagine anyone staying in the fight even if the round doesn't penetrate. That shit looked painful. I bet the concussion alone would fuck up an organ or two.
Jay Zenitram that's true I need some hot ammo
Jay Zenitram Would be painful for sure. But there are many instances of people (some by training & some high on drugs) staying in the fight even without body armor. Some of those without body armor and taking several hits have fought long enough to do lethal damage.
Excellent Paul. Good job. As always your delivery of the subject matter is most entertaining and spot on.
I love his frustrated sarcasm
Straight to the point as always.
Those duct tape malfunctions were hilarious.