Liquid AIO Cooling In The Cooler Master NR200, Part 1: Optimizing Fan Orientation
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- In this two-part series, I demonstrate configurations for AIO cooling in the Cooler Master NR200 computer case, and determine the best configurations for the fans, as well as share my results from thermal testing.
Correction: At 12:08 I mention that the X52 has better CPU thermals, but has an “advantage in GPU thermals,” I meant to say it has a “disadvantage” in GPU thermals, as the chart shows.
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I've watched your series on the NR200 and it's fantastic work. Invaluable stuff. Subbed.
Awesome, thank you!
@@MachinesMore Hey what about VRM's with rad intake and top exhaust?
@@Mack_Dingo Good question. In that case, go rad exhaust top intake. 2 celsius is laughable on the CPU(and you can go 280mm to mitigate that). When you use super expensive high-end XMP rams working at like 1.5volt out of the box or if you are overclocking your ram, rad intake will make your ram sticks unstable(the samsung b-die gaming rams destabilize above 50celsius). All of these hardware youtubers are just using normal 3200/3600 efficient cheapo garbage hynix micron rams. These rams probably stay cool if you throw them into a lava.
Literally, long waited video. Thanks for the analysis as the community is dying to learn more about the best possible configuration in this case. Great video! Keep up a good work! Following....
Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I've got a CLC'd 5600X and a huge triple-slot GPU (3080 TI Amp Holo) that I'm gonna try and fit into an NR200 this weekend; I'm particularly concerned about the GPU since there's absolutely no room for extra fans below it, so seeing data on how the fan setup can influence its temps is a huge help.
I followed all your recommendations and the results are really good, excellent temps I have now. 2 Top , AIO and 2 bottom, of course Noctua Fans.
Keep doing this good videos man.
Congrats
Ive learned way lot more with these vids, than all rest of youtube ones combined. Ive bought beautifull nr200 white, and dont want go wrong on thermals
More! More! We want more analysis! Waiting for the other options and next videos! 👍🏻👍🏻
It would have been interesting to capture ram temperature during these configurations. Specifically, if the difference between rad exhaust/top intake and both exhaust make a difference in ram temperature / ram overclock stability.
there are a few AIOs that can be bottom mounted like the be quiet pure loop and MSI one because the pump isn't on the block. Would love to see a video testing those in this case
The MSI Coreliquid 240 review is on the channel- Pure Loop is on the review table right now.
i have been looking for this for whole week loll
Me too, still can't decide
So thorough. Great work! Appreciate the effort.
This data is so freaking helpful!! Thank you!!
I have been trying to find someone who has been doing in depth reviews and cooling config. for this case. I just ordered it as well (just waiting on shipment) and I'm super excited to build in it. I have a ryzen 7 3700x with the arctic freezer ii 240mm aio and I'm adding the arctic p12 fans for the best performance. I'm also trying to fit a 3080 gpu in there (not the founders edition because of the weird cooler design). I'm planning on doing a review video of my own. will be modeling my video after yours. earned my sub. cheers mate
Thanks, look forward to it!
Hitachino! That's some good beer. I love the mini brewpubs they have around Tokyo.
🍺🍺🍺Toured their brewery a few years back in Japan. Amazing creativity and great group of people there.
Thanks for the comprehensive and ongoing content on this case. I’m expecting mine to arrive this week and plan on putting my X62 NZXT AIO into it and was thinking intake through the rad and bottom with exhaust at the top ... you know positive air pressure. I’m cooling a 2700x and 1080Ti so was wondering whether side exhaust would work better ... ultimately though it’ll be on my desk and right next to my arm so not keen on getting blasted with warm air in Australian Summer! I’ll sacrifice some noise and GPU thermals and just pump the heat to my ceiling!
You got it! Actually spent some time in Oz a while back, lovely country. Your intuition is spot on- you'll see in part two that what you're thinking of makes a lot of sense. You know it seems trivial with the air coming out the side, at least that's what I thought before testing it, but the difference if pretty stark between hot air coming out the top and hot air coming out the side at least in terms of user comfort. Good luck on the build and do check back as I am curious how well a 280 rad performs.
from where did you buy the casing. I was checking in Amazon and it's not available.
@@thusedilshan11127 I’m in Australia and stock from local retailers is low but you can order from an upcoming shipment and it’s only a week or so wait.
a cool vid would be one that breaks down the coolest and quietest setups for a range of price points
Will cover in the final review, thanks!
Looking forward to the Scythe FUMA 2 tested in this case. I'm looking to build a high-end PC that's also quiet and small and the FUMA appears to be the best option so far.
Thanks for this video, it's a topic I'm very interested in having ordered an NR200 (I'm currently waiting for shipment).
I just wanted to give a small critique on your sound quality, you have a lot of reverb and should look into some sound deadening for your studio and possibly a microphone upgrade (it's hard to tell how good it is with the horrible room acoustics).
You got it! I hope you get it soon. Thank you for the feedback. You’re spot on with the sound... I’m still experimenting with acoustics. The mic is a decent one (an older RodeVideoMic Pro) but my setup is pretty makeshift so I need to work it out. Any recommendations on a mic?
@@MachinesMore Sorry, I'm not knowledgeable enough on microphones to offer any specific recommendations. I will say that you need to "fix" the reverb issue before the microphone quality can be ascertained. It seems like you may be sitting too far away from the mic, but that could just be the reverb.
The first thing I'd suggest for sound deadening would be some sound deadening panels on the wall behind the camera, this could be something as simple as hanging a heavy blanket on a rope, cable or curtain rod. Or put some foam panels on a movable screen if you don't want to attach anything to the wall. Your voice is going out, past the camera (mic), reflecting off of whatever is behind the camera and coming back to the mic (and then bouncing off the back wall, lather, rinse, repeat), stopping it getting to the back wall will make a huge difference. You'll still have some reverb from the side walls, ceiling, desk, etc but the majority is likely coming from behind the camera.
A really cheap thing to try would be to put some sound deadening just behind the microphone (say a folded up towel) to prevent it from picking up sound from the rear (i.e. echoing off the back wall) at least then the sound has to travel the length of the room almost three times to make it back to the microphone.
And one other note, make sure you're using your microphone properly, each microphone has a certain distance they operate best at and direction, etc. See JayzTwoCents two videos on this, _I have no idea what I’m doing..._ and _You guys said I was wrong... and you were right!_ He also talks about his sound deadening in the Gamers Nexus video _JayzTwoCents Office Tour | Studio Build & Industry Discussion_
And a final note, don't take this as a negative post, I'm really liking your channel. I'm only commenting to try to help make it better.
Fred- I played around with it in my downtime and your suggestions were so helpful, since it got me trying different configs out. Really appreciate you taking the time to give so much detail!
@@MachinesMore Excellent, I'm glad I could help and I'm looking forward to hearing your next video.
Holy shit this video is honestly so helpful. Just waiting for the case to be in stock in the UK, then I’ll be building a new system in it.
Good video, but I have a friendly criticism.
@ 15:48 where a graph is shown, you shouldn't zoom in on the graph, as the labels on the top/left get cut off as they leave the edges of the screen.
I recently built in this case with the Fuma 2. I had two Noctua A12x25 fans from a previous build and saw an improvement by swapping out the Scythe fans. You may want to test this setup since you already have the fans from the U12A.
Already did that! And yes, my observation was that the stock fans were really holding back this cooler, not so much the thermal difference at stock clocks but they’re capped (probably for noise reasons) at 1200rpm so there’s not much headroom beyond mild overclocks. Will discuss more in the round up. Thanks for checking in!
Thanks for the info bro! I'm gonna make build and use some AIO like Kraken X63 in this case.
Excellent! Good luck with it!
Hi! Thanks for the awesome video. I'm a first time PC Builder and started my build by picking up the NR200 while I gather components. I think I may go with an AMD 3900X come up here shortly for rendering and CAD work. Would you recommend the X52 or X63 for my build? Which one would you recommend and why? Thanks again!
Cheers and thanks for the check-in. An X52/53 or other 240mm rad AIO would be sufficient for the 3900X. With a bigger rad like the 280 you get a few degrees of extra headroom, but on a noise normalized basis, the difference is really really small. I would prefer a 240mm design simply based on the fact that they use 120mm fans- if you ever upgrade fans, the 120mm fans are a bit more versatile for other uses like as a case fan. You also save a few bucks going with a 240 vs 280.
@@MachinesMore Thank you for the very wise tips. I have a hunch that the NR200 is going to be a popular case for first time builders like myself. More videos on it will serve your channel well!
what about the adding two fans on the bottom as intake, and put the radiator to intake and top exhaust, is that a good idea?
Was wondering about the same also...now, the question is - for triple slotted cards (like new NVidia) will there be enough room to even place them. Perhaps a slim version of Noctua might work? What to u think? Just ordered my case, so I have no idea...
I'm wondering about that as well, it would obviously slant the case towards positive pressure by quite a bit and should present the GPU with more fresh air all the while pushing that hot air bubble just above it.
@Arthur Hung and @Andrei A, the answer is yes, that is a good idea as you described, although it might not be worth the extra $ for extra fans, that’s up to the user to decide. 3 slot thickness cards allow for no 25mm fan room... it’s tight with 2 slotters as it is. I will discuss those bottom fans in part 2. And let me try slim fans with the thicker card. I’ll throw that into the beginning discussion of P2.
Adding two 120mm case fans to the bottom would essentially nullify the draw back of having your rad function as an intake (I would think). You can get some nice V2 Sickleflow 120mm fans for like $8 USD (same which the case comes with) which not only have enough static pressure to force cool air directly in to the fans but also works in favor of having the exhaust directly on top (stack effect?). Even 15mm fans should be a nice benefit if you get a triple-slot card. You would more easily achieve positive pressure which is a nice bonus.
At the end of the day I look at it this way: even if you spend an extra $30 on fans you're still far ahead of nearly every other case in this range when you look at its compatibility and performance especially up here in Canada where SFF prices are all over the place and good cases are incredibly scarce.
I love the extra work being done in regards to this case though. I have mine sitting in the box waiting for the Kraken x63 since the Liquid Freezer II 280mm was too thick to fit.
The1rust what was the problem exactly with ARCTIC 280???? I was planning on using that one as well! Thanks for the heads up! Where does it exactly interfere (doesn’t fit) with the case (or other components). Very interested to find out. Also have an Asus X560 DTX Crosshairs VIII Impact. I’ve got some worries about the expansion card that it come with - it’s somewhat high.
This video is underrated.
really good. just got this case but waiting for PSU stocks. why not putting intake fans at the bottom with the rad intake + top exhaust configuration?
I am wondering about this option as well specially if you got beefier cards like per se 3080/2080ti
Can you include the Noctua C14S for the Air cooler comparison or maybe a follow up video? Thanks!
GBXD C14S would be interesting to see since it’s a down flow (well, depending on how u orient the fan) that, I would imagine, be pretty efficient due to its orientation. Combined with a couple of side mounted fans - it should be pretty efficient.
That's a cooler that I don't have now but since you mentioned it I'll try to get my hands on one. It's actually really promising due to its weight- the heatsink itself is heavier than the U12A and that is a HUGE factor in air cooling effectiveness (assuming similar fin density).
Great work with this NR200 series. I'm under the impression that for cards that are not flow through and physically larger (doesn't matter hotter or not) the rad intake and top exhaust is a better GPU option.
The edge of the larger GPU extend closer to the side mesh panel and then gets pulled up by the rad intake. I have mine like that and empirically noticed better GPU temps.
Can you confirm that?
You’re killing it with the dad jokes man 🤣
Hahaha- at least someone out there is "dad enough" to get it!
@@MachinesMore i loled at TJ Max
Thank you!
Great series of vids. Got my NR200 in, just waiting for X670 and Zen 3 to drop. What about mounting the fans between the case and the rad for a push rather than pull config? I read everywhere that generally push is the optimum airflow setup.
Cheers! If you're referring to the fans being on one side of the radiator, vs the other, there's not a big difference in my opinion, the fans should function similarly whether they are pulling air on one side of the radiator, vs pushing in the same direction from the other side. I believe what you might be seeing as to "push" being the optimal airflow setup is within the directional context of a case, meaning that when folks say "push" they are saying push air into the case as intake, and when they say "pull" they are referring to exhausting air out of the case. That's almost always true since outside of the case it's cooler. If your only point of reference is CPU temps, I think my testing, and logic (cooler air running vs warmer case air through the radiator) should show that to be true.
@@MachinesMore I was also wondering how you are able to control the fans from the cam software without a fan hub? I currently am running a X53 in my NR200.
I wish I could invent flexible heatpipes, allowing the fin stack of a heatsink to be located anywhere in a case, notably against an air input or outlet.
They exist already! It’s called an AIO 🤣
All kidding aside, the issue is that heatpipes are liquid filled and bending too easily might compromise that integrity. Otherwise, being copper, they actually do quite bend a lot already if you apply force. The bigger advantage would be if case makers tailor made air coolers or integrated into the case (Streacom DB4 comes to mind), that way really effective cooling could occur.
@@MachinesMore Yeah! That would be the ticket. We need a new specification that puts the heatsink right at the rear exhaust. It would even move the cooler away from the RAM, allowing for higher profile DIMMs and more visibility of their RGB. Cases and motherboards are so standardized, it shouldn't be too difficult to make this a thing.
hello there !! very detailed work ! great job..but i have a question ....have you ever tried passive bottom mounted rad, with rear and top fan exhaust ?? was planing to do that to have the best looking pc (exposing RGB ram, motherboard and showing bottom mounted GPU) but don't have all the material to test my theory ....that said tho, at the expense of ''lookat'ma board ma!'' i clearly will go with the best CPU thermal here.. Since in gaming, the CPU don't heat that much, no using it's max TDP, putting less heat in the radiator, thus giving the GPU cooler air ;) so it's a very good setup for all around use.
In theory that can work as long as you use the best static pressure fans along with the glass panel, and sealing off every vent on the rear panel, and every potential gap on the rest of the case. In practice, it's really difficult to do that, especially in this case. It's too well ventilated. You still have the other mobo side vented panel as well, and lots and lots of seams on the case panel junctions. Why not slim, black fans though? That could be as incognito as just a bare rad. As for gaming CPU use- it varies depending on what CPU have, what game you're playing, resolution, etc. If you're playing in 1080 at high FPS, and you're not close to being GPU limited, then yeah, absolutely your CPU could be getting hammered. 4K 60, not so much.
The Nividia video of the new 3000 series GPU's show that air is sucked in from beneath and expelled upwards. (This seems different from the 2000 series generation where the fans sucked air downwards, and expelled air sideways). This makes me think that the Nvidia series 3000 design ideally suits the airflow of the NR200 which has a bottom to top chimney flow path. This made me wonder whether, when using a 3000 series card, if it would be beneficial to add the extra two bottom fans that would propel air towards the underside of the GPU, where it is sucked into the graphics card? I'd be interested in your thoughts. This leads to the question about the 3000 series GPU's, whether their bottom fans perform best by (i) sucking air at ambient conditions under the PC, or (ii) using bottom-fans to accelerate air towards the underside of the GPU?
What about VRM and M.2 temps with AIO as intake, blowing hot air directly onto the mobo. I haven't heard anyone talking about this...
For my purposes, I want the quietest setup, where I won't be overclocking, and rarely at extreme load. For that , would you go for air or liquid cooling?
That really sounds like a use case for air cooling to me, although an AIO can accomplish exactly what you described too. It’s a huge discussion that I’ll summarize in the final round up in air vs water. There’s a lot to consider but with what you described it sounds like you just want to set it and forget it- for which air cooling is just about ideal. I’ll just mention upfront also that an AIO makes the case obnoxious for cable and space management, and personally, I really enjoy looking in at the case when it’s got the clean layout from having the tower cooler- if that kind of thing matters to you.
Machines & More performance matters to me personally. Otherwise what’s the point of buying a powerful hardware if you are gonna thermal throttle it...just saying.
@@AndreiE190 My main use for the hardware is video editing with motion graphics. Most of the peak-load usage is during rendering and converting footage into optimised media, which does not happen all the time. Hence, I'm wanting hardware that is quiet during the rest of the time for low-load usage. It's different from gamers who might be running at high-load for long periods of time.
@@MachinesMore Do you think your ideal air cooling configuration in the NR200 is up to the task with the high end Nvidia 3000 series, such as 3070 and 3080?
RT understood. Makes sense.
Nothing wrong with rad exhaust, id always rather my CPU run a bit hotter than my GPU.
Do you have a GPU which could test that's been deshrouded? I have a card (2080ti) which I'm probably going to deshroud and attach case fans to and set them to exhaust - so run an all exhaust set up
I do- but a semi passive/deshrouding experiment will be more of a future test. That will be a lot of fun to see what happens!
Think vertikal gpu so the gou can get fresh air via the vent+ radiator for cpu on the bottom pushing air trough the case abd the two fans on the top pushing it out has the beat thermals...
amazing video thank you so much
Glad you liked it! You are very welcome and appreciate the check-in.
Great work. What if you added the 2 intake fans at the bottom blowing air upwards?
Cheers- I can highly recommend it- part 2 cover additional fans.
I am thinking about making build in this case with Noctua NH-C14s and deshrouded GPU mod.
That could be really effective! Curious about the C14- I may get one in the future to test out since it seems a lot a of folks are thinking of running it.
What about running Microsoft FlightSim 2020 where CPU and GPU got absolutely loaded? That said well done on this series💯
Well, you got me on that one. That is a special scenario indeed- I would say it depends on how hot your CPU or GPU is and how you’re running them- like if you are overclocking. Here’s the thing- under my tests even while 100% utilization on both components, those temps were still pretty fantastic- even if you are in a hot room, say 30. At that point your CPU and GPU are still pretty manageable. The more disproportionately hot one your components is compared to the other, the more you need to balance it to the other. For example- if you’re running a 2080ti and a Ryzen 5 3600, you might want to run the exhaust/exhaust since your CPU is relatively easy to cool and runs cooler to begin with, but your GPU is not, and needs a bit more help to stay within a competitive thermal range. The inverse is also true, a normally hotter running CPU means it is more sensitive to begin with, so you will need to give it some help.
Machines & More I have Vega 56 which is in the same league of furnace as 2080ti. I’m tempted to build a new system in NR200 when Ryzen 4000 is out. Your series of NR200 video really helps the community a lot💯
Well that's so nice of you to say. I think you really need to lean towards helping out the GPU then. Yeah, Vegas, you're going to want to throw a bone their way. If I might suggest- check out part 2 when it's out and see what you think. I think we can all have our cake AND eat it too.
nice video thanks.a question can i put artic liquid feeze II on this case (280mm)?
sky nabbo yes, I wanted to ask the same question! I was having 280 version of it in mind as well.
The answer is yes, in terms of fit, you absolutely have 8mm extra clearance for the thicker rad. I personally don't think 8mm will be too big of an impact on limiting the airflow, but I'm working on the vid for Part II- and limited airflow out of the rad has a pretty big impact. I'll give you guys a shout out in the next vid since you mentioned it.
@@MachinesMore thxxx
Hi sky nabbo...did you put the liquid freezer II?... i was not a le to fit in mine NR200... the pump height was the problem.. Especialky the position of the tubes...
really great channel content with great video quality.
I am floating maybe a silly idea which is to shrink my MATX rig with a VEGA64 LC (120mm rad) and Ryzen also watercooled with an IDcooling Frost flow AIO(240mm rad) into this great little case. But I am struggling to assess a robust "How and where placing the Rads?". was thinking about the CPU rad at the bottom and the GPU rad at the top in pull config but afraid the latter will clash with either Motherboard or the PSU cage. I cant think about any Option that would work but if people here have recommendations, its much appreciated. thanks so much
Looking to do this build with a 3080 and 120mm AIO rad in the nr200. I'm in between getting the founder edition or a third party which directs its airflow in a single direction unlike the founders which does the strange push pull kind of thing. What are your recommendations for card type and fan configuration. Thank you, love the videos!
I know availability has been challenging but my recommendation is 3080 FE for this and the NCase M1 simply because the top exhaust is very directed and easy to work around. In an AIO scenario you just let the top fans handle all the exhaust. Instead of the card exhausting out the sides and potentially reintaking its own air, the top (and rear) exhausts get the heat quickly away from the card, which is great for it. Full discussion with fan layout here in case you haven’t seen it.
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Can we hope to have a C14S tested as well?
Yes.🤗
@@MachinesMore Awesome! I hope I'm not asking for too much but I was interested how good this scenario would be: a regular GPU bottom intake + top fans intake + C14S with fans flipped to exhaust into the side panel. Also I'm curious if it's possible to mount the C14S together with two 140mm fans on the side (maybe front mounted PSU would interfere? or maybe not)
I have a Cooler Master ML240L V2 bottom-mounted on my NR200p (vertically-mounted 3080 FE and tempered glass panel). I've since watched this and GN's video about proper placement of AIOs. My thermals and noise seem good under load. My question is do you think I would benefit from replacing my current AIO with a radiator pump AIO like the MSI Mag Coreliquid 240R? Thanks!
It's not the end of the world, and certainly if you're getting strange operating noise then perhaps you might consider replacing it. The longevity issue is only relevant if the unit is out of warranty or the manufacturer won't replace it, which wouldn't be very nice since they're the ones that partially filled it to begin with. However, if you're looking for a definitive recommendation for bottom mounting... there's a new review going up today and I hope you get to check it out.
What about putting the fans closer to the case ie: push instead of pull would it perform better?
What is a strange editing: 1 sec of component view, 5 secs of a portrait view. For me it would be better opposite ) Actually I gave up viewing after 8 minutes of constant switches component/portrait (
Hi from the future i just built a i5-13500K and 3080 FE setup like this with a 240mm AIO. I used rad fans as intake and top fans as exhaust. I didn't hit thermal throttling on either the GPU or the OC'd CPU. Does that mean that's good enough? Should i bother trying exhaust / exhaust?
Can you max out this case? 2 SSDs in the front, Mini-DTX motherboard, 280 AIO Liquid Cooler, 3-Slot GPU with fans on the inside of bottom right under the GPU, 2 Fans on the top, Maybe squeezing a 3.5 inch HDD inside the case?
And.. the kitchen sink too! That is one heck of a parts list and yes, one could get it to work, I do recommend a 240 for this case to make tubing runs easier.
Hey bud, is it possible to have the fans against the side panel ‘pushing’ from the side, rather than pulling in?
Does it fit or are the tubes squashed?
You could do that, the tubes get compressed so I don't like that arrangement as much, plus there's not a significant difference for airflow.
Nice but can you also test the rad at the bottom and gpu mounted with the riser? im interested to see the results compared to this one.
Ozzy Safa watch gamers nexus video about the proper orientation of the rads in the system. It’s fairly fresh. Avoid the bottom rad option...period. Sacrifice the looks for performance. Otherwise just get yourself an air cooler and the vertical GPU with a TG would be a valid option. But first watch the video, do the homework :))
Andrei A that was basically my reasoning and you hit the nail in the head. One thing to note is that VGPU will severely limit you air cooler (limited clearance) choices and therefore your CPU choices.
Andrei A i saw it but then he made another video saying it’s okay
Ozzy Safa the followed up video he did, he still emphasized that the bottom option should be avoided. And I agree with him. It’s up to you. But I would really think twice, as you basically defeat the purpose of an AIO.
*I have a RTX3090 FE, 5950X and the NR200. I want to use the Noctua chromax fans. I was thinking A12x15 PWM for the bottom intake under the 3090 and then the Noctua F12 PWM for top exhaust and AIO intake fans. Would this be an optimal setup if I side mount an AIO? and also what is the best AIO that fits in this case with performance being the main factor not the money. The rig will be used for gaming and rendering and video editing. Thanks for your help!!*
Hey Jason, killer build list. The best AIO would be the Arctic Liquid Freezer 2, tubing is bulky but it’s the most performance you can get, plus the stock fans really don’t need to be replaced. The 280 version does fit but it’s really a tight squeeze, personally I prefer the 240 for this case. You can do F-12s at the top, or Noctua P-12 redux, doesn’t matter too much at case fan speeds.
So, let's say vertical gpu mounted, and then aio side mounted with fans exhausting air from gpu through rad and through the mesh panel, with 2 fans at the top intaking and 2 at the bottom exhausting would be the ideal setup? Idk if you covered that in the vid as I haven't finished it yet but I'm about 6 mins in and that's about the best setup I can think of.
Hey Robert, unfortunately a side mounted radiator will not fit with the clearance in front of a vertical mounted GPU. A config like this would also put the GPU fans at odds with the radiator fans. Interesting idea though!
So, what would be the best orientation of I wanted to keep gpu vertical? I may have to just suck it up and keep my gpu horizontal lol
You could bottom mount the rad, not generally recommended but it’s not the end of the world. Bottom to top airflow if you want to prioritize the CPU, other way around to prioritize the GPU.
and what about the NR200P? putting the radiator on the bottom is a so bad idea?
You don’t really have a choice with the the NR200P. If you’re OK with potentially impacting the long term performance and durability of the unit, it should perform similarly as an intake. Personally I think exhausting out the bottom is a really illogical way to configure any case (unless there’s a defined air flow pattern such as through a shroud or tunnel) so I wouldn’t do that. You’ll get similar performance running as an intake, it’s all taking cool outside air anyway.
May I ask, and i may have missed this, but if we run the rad as intake + top panel exhaust, what if we add two fans on the bottom as intake as well? will that be optimal to add into the case?
Yes! Part 2 covers more fans added.
Do you keep the rear 92mm as an exhaust? Or only those two top fans?
Depends on if you're running bottom fans. If so, then skip it, too much turbulent/pointless airflow. If not, then run it the opposite way you're running the rad fans, ie. if you're intaking, exhaust out the 92mm, if you're exhausting, intake with the 92mm.
Have you noticed the U12a cpu cooler have sagging problem?
Not in my experience.
@@MachinesMore that’s great! Would you recommend a slim top fan or the regular cooler master fan come with the case pair w/ U12a? Thank you for you reply!
Ive been wondering, what is thr purpose for a front mounted psu in this case and if you do mount it in the front, wouldnt the fans for the psu be choked since there isnt proper airflow for the front considering most of it is blocked by the sd panels and even thr front cover isnt designed to allow airflow to my knowledge
It’s just another option depending on what your hardware needs are. If you mount it on the side, you have two choices for how you orient the PSU, intake from inside or outside. I did mine intaking from outside. On the front, I would just flip it around, so that the fan can intake from the inside- you’re right in that you don’t want to intake from what is essentially a blocked off spot.
i rlly thought you gonna replace the liquid with beer
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Question, as I think I may not be the only one with this but I am having trouble finding an X52 for sale that isn't absurdly overpriced or used. Would the X53 suffice?
Yup, it performs exactly the same, the X53 does have a newer gen 7 pump, more clearance inducing barb position but has a rotatable head (so you can mount however you like and just rotate if you want the RGB). It also loses the fan controller. I might do a comparison video between some AIOs soon but for sure a bottom mountable AIO vid is coming up.
@@MachinesMore thank you so much for the detailed reply!
Not sure if you will respond But I am finally getting my nr200p, ill be slapping in a 280mm artic freezer ii into the case but should I place the faces exhaust or intake? And should the fans be on the outer side of the case or inside? Thanks.
I'd intake. You mentioned "P", are you running this on the bottom? If you're mounting on the side you almost don't have a choice when it comes to the fan placement because the tubing is so tight, the rad need to be on the outermost part of the case so that you don't get some super tight bends.
@@MachinesMore p because in the UK we don't have a choice Thankyou so much.
whats bestter having the 120mm fan intake pushing through the rad or to suck air through the rad ?
I think your question is which side the fan should be on, and that really doesn’t matter too much. What matters more is if you put the rad on the inside the tubing will become more compressed, so my preference is fans on the inside.
@@MachinesMore I'm running a h80iv2 cooler and a thermal take toughfan 12 turbo fan side mounted in a Sama IM01 case the fan is sucking air into the case through the radiator exhausting out through the top
Now add a pair of thin 120mm fans to the bottom as intakes and do it all again… :)
Part 2 🤫
@@MachinesMore Looking forward to it.
Icegiant?
Do you think it's realistic to use this NR200 case with the latest Nvidia "hot box" GPUs that have rumoured 300+ Watts power consumption, and a higher end CPU like the 3950X or i9 10900K ?
Yes. The ncase m1 is smaller and can handle top line stuff. You can fit a 280mm rad which will give better results than the 240 used in this video
I think so, in addition those beefed up GPUs power draw figures, there are also going to be beefed up heatsink designs. If you run an AIO rad as intake, there’s very little GPU influence, so that might be the way to go if the GPU exhaust is ridiculous. If the rumored specs are correct, then these will be 3 slot thickness monsters and you won’t have an option for bottom fans, the fans exhausting at the top will be super important.
@@MachinesMore What do you think of the NR200 for air cooling these new high-wattage GPU's? I'm thinking that actually the new Nvidia airflow path - that sucks air from beneath and pushes it up - could work very nicely with the chimney flow of the NR200. Another thing I'm wondering is whether having bottom fans, aligned with the underside-intakes of the Nvidia GPU's, could also enhance the overall upward chimney flow of the build?
Nice M3
Good eye! M3s are like the air coolers of the camera world. Simple and mechanical.
Niicee
@12:18 you present the data that the AIO gives worse GPU thermals, but maybe that's because the air cooler was sucking out more hot air through the rear panel. Hence, when using the AIO for liquid cooling, is there space on the rear panel to put a small 92mm fan to perform that role of sucking out more hot air that the air cooler would have done?
That was my thought as well...I wonder if there is enough space to fit a 92mil fan...
@RT My explanation for the better GPU temps for U12A/air cooling is that the fans exhausting towards the rear I/O of the case are helping the GPU too. @Andrei A, for a 240 you can fit the 92mm fan if you install the rad the right way. It helps a little bit- I will discuss the 92mm fan along with bottom fans in part 2.
Machines & More great, thanks. So, 92 mill will not work with 280 mil side rad? Is that how I understand it?
I doubt it, I measured out 30-35mm (not sure the exact amount, I'll show this in the next vid) of space, so, either way unless 240+35 is less than 280... it's a no go. Although, it's not really that helpful. You'll see ;)
This case is built for GPU deshrouding.
hmm soo you used beer for your liquid :D I wonder what kind of beer?
:)
Thanks for all the info man, You rock!