The WHEEL OF TIME episode 7 FULL REVIEW, hard labor
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I’ll tell you what this show has successfully accomplished: I went out and bought myself a copy of Eye of the World. I *had* to know what I was missing out on. #TeamOz
same here and I quit watching this Woke of Time hot mess and enjoy the novels way more. Amazon pulled a filthy Disney with this woke hot mess.
Enjoy the journey. You have hours of happiness ahead of you as you work through the books.
Cheers to you man, good book, admittingly the series starts to drag a bit in the middle, book 7 and 8 IMO, but it picks up again.
They are a great read. I had to pull myself through 6-8 but the pick back up.
Same, and this is why i would like shad to stop spoil things that happens further on XD
Machin shin is the most evil thing a twitter person could possibly imagine! A bunch of true statements that they don't want to hear.
Hmmm I don’t see what makes you believe the statements are true. Pretty sure there a persons deepest insecurities regardless of there validity.
@@SolitaryLark It's a joke mate.
@@SolitaryLark r/whoosh
Machin shin is actually twitter ..... nice catch.
@@SolitaryLark Machin Shin doesn't want to mind break them and have a chat, it wants to eat them and add their souls to it's ravenous mass.
At this point, I have to ask why people don't purposefully go to Machin Shin to learn uncomfortable truths about themselves. I think the Aes Sedai of the books would even use him as one of the test to become an accepted lol.
Machin Shin can replace all therapist in this world.
Right, another poorly thought out “change”
because lol if it was written based on the books
No one leaves the black wind unharmed …
your choices are your either dead an your body is utterly an totally consumed within moments of meeting/seeing “the entity”
your left a soulless comatose brain dead … thing with no consciousness
or…your driven absolutely batshit crazy…with no hope or chance of ever regaining your sanity back…stuck in perpetual madness..an have to be put down for everyone’s sake…smh
@@jayclearmen411 the blood sweet blood blood so sweet rend the flesh expose the bone sweet bone break the bone expose the marrow
To be fair, the worst thing these writers can probably imagine, is an angry twitter commenter, so…
When you reread the first book, it's glaringly obvious that Rand is the Dragon. The thing that keeps you from figuring it out the first time is that you're not supposed to be figuring out who the Dragon is. The Dragon is just one of many background legends that have been mentioned at that point.
The main purpose of the first book isn't purely about finding the Dragon Reborn but bringing those who can bend the pattern to their will to the Eye of the World. Moiraine brought the Two Rivers folk with her to stack things in their favor via the power of ta'veren.
Rand accepts the fact that he can channel at the end of the book but even then he doesn't fully accept that he is the Dragon Reborn as is shown in book 2 when he's talking to Moiraine, Siuan and Verin. Only in Book 3 when he's had enough of being haunted by one of the forsaken does he go down the path in accepting he is the Dragon Reborn.
The tv show tries to come off as some sort of mystery about "who's da dragon?" when the real urgency should be about the 3 ta'veren having dreams of a forsaken who says they won't acquire the power from the Eye of the World. The Dragon Reborn is hinted at in book 1 multiple times but it is more of a sideline plot point that develops more in future books - it isn't the sole focus of the first book imo.
@@Sombriage great summary also they don't even find out it's a forsaken in their dreams until the end of book 3 when Rand kills him after getting the sword. Up til then the ones having the dreams all thought that was the dark one. It's quite the revelation to them (and the reader) that it was only a forsaken and the dark one is infinitely more powerful.
@@donnmckee4973 True. There are moments when Rand says the Dark One's name because he thinks that he already killed him. Ishmael was deranged into thinking he was the Dark One most likely due to him not being locked away like the rest of the Forsaken and living for a crazy long time due to the ability to use the One Power and perhaps the True Source (Dark One's power).
I so agree! Everybody says they knew who the dragon was. They just can’t remember what it was like to red the first book cold. You have no idea that the dragon will be reborn except for he prophecies and it is confusing in the beginning because you have no idea about the prologue really till later in the book. The concept of the dragon being reborn doesn’t come up until later in the book. Rand himself doesn’t find out till Book 2.
Absolutely. I already knew on my first read because I'd been introduced via book 10. What jumped out to me jarringly was how little the Dragon was mentioned at all. The story seemed almost orthogonal to the little I'd read in Crossroads.
Laughed way too loud at “I thought her name was the amarlin seat because Morrane sat on her.” Quality content much better than watching the show it’s self.
Oooh
Lo, and it came to pass, that the Amyrlin Seat said unto Moiraine, "If you need a clean place to sit..."
Shad, Oz and Nathan have had more “character development” over the course of these reviews than the Taveren trio in the show. I’m with you Shad they are building up to a horrendous “subvert your expectations” moment next episode for sure. Keep these reviews coming!
Taishar Knights Watch! Taishar Robert Jordan! Taishar Shad, Oz and Nathan!
Going full Rian Johnson
In fairness they did take two and a half hours. That would be like 4 episodes and 40 million dollars. :)
Well, they only had more than 14 hours of screentime all to themselves. Sure that Rafe would have liked to have that much time available.
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@@jacobnugent8159 Taishar Australia 👍
It amuses me that one of the few things Shad liked about this episode - Rand calling out Egwene on her attitude toward Mat - was probably intended by the writers as a moment of madness after he channelled in the Ways.
God damn. You're probably right. Really have to twist reality to think like that huh? Didn't do a good enough job showing it to us.
i mean having a shitty attitude towards mat is a common theme amongst the female characters, tho they do EVENTUALLY realize they are wrong in the books at least tho.
In the Book Agelmar basically worships that ground the Aes Sedai walks on. Agelmar thinks Lan and Moraine are there to help Fal Dara fend off the coming Trollock invasion in the gap. He thinks if Lan was to raise his Banner thousands would come to Fal Dara to fend off the Trollocks. This is a HUGE thing in Lan's development.
Yes, it is really off-putting. Everyone is an asshole for no reason. It's a cheap way to create pseudo-conflict.
And Lan has genuine angst and turmoil over not being able to raise his banner and fight yet all he lets other people see is him crushing a cup. Meanwhile in the show he's a little baby crying over some random warder.
I don't know if I understand Shad wrong or he explained poorly book Lan, well enough for Oz and Nathan or I'm remembering completely wrong Lan character in the books, but I think it's implied through the conversations between Lan and Nynaeve on the Great Hunt and Shadows rising, where he explains that she gave him another reason to live because until that point Lan was living as someone who would die fighting the blight somewhere since everyone was saying that Malkier was lost forever.
In the books the defense of the gap appeared like a lost cause because the other borderlands did not send troops to support Shienar despite an impending attack. The reasons were never really explained.
@@DaviHorner In the Prequel New Spring, Lan at the end of the book is ready to ride off into the Blight and die. Moiraine stops him and gives him renewed purpose by joining her in the hunt for the Dragon Reborn. Nynaeve gives Lan an emotional purpose to stay alive - more so when his Warder bond is cut and he becomes more stone cold Lan then usual.
Rand should have been especially suspicious of Moiraine when she annouced she intended to bring the Dragon Reborn to the Dark One's prison, considering that was precisely what the Darkfriend Dana from ep 3 said she intended to do.
From Rand's perspective, Moiraine behaves exactly like a Darkfriend in this episode: bringing the Dragon Reborn to the Dark One.
Moraine said she will kill the DR if he/she went to the DO. So what does she do? Brings him to the DO.
@@Quvan Defies logic. All crap writing does.
@The Witch King of Angmar rand and neev clense taint was beautiful that rand used all three forms of the power to prevent the taint from being put on either half of THE ONE power this time beautiful. love super rand. FROM BOOK, tv show bad.
In the book, Perrin scolds Egwene for dancing with the Tinker and thinks she's basically doing his best friend wrong. Just think of that in contrast to episode 7.
Yeah idk why they had to change the character dynamics the way they did. Presumably to create drama but if they'd just stuck with the book it would've been compelling and dramatic anyway. This show is pretty bad, this episode was better than 6 but I really don't see it getting better as a whole. At this point I'm sad to say I'm really just watching to give these Knights Watch episodes context
Cuz they think drama, jealousy, and sex sells. This is for Young Adults afterall.
@@spunkush lol so corect, written all over the show
@@spunkush Yep that's what I've decided on as well. Amazing WoT is not for the fans but for the younger millennials and sub 27 year olds.
@Valkaneer funny enough. I had started and not finished the book like 6 years back. After watching this debacle, I decided to pick it up again. It's a great book and it makes the show so much worse, knowing what these characters were supposed to be.
The books also had a very good way to whittle it down. When the trollocs show up in the 2 Rivers they only attack Mat & Perin’s house in the village and Rand’s farm. That’s why Moiraine has to whisk them away.
That would have been so easy to film and include. The incompetence is limitless.
@@ignacius8466 indeed
Yes, but she already had given them a coin. The attack only confirmed her suspicions
In the books only their houses were clearly targeted, but the fire spread to other parts of the village. The whole purpose of Winters Night is to have a reason for the Two Rivers folk to rebuild for later arcs, which is still in tact perfectly fine
I just finished reading the first book, and they attacked other parts of the village, but their first targets were Mat, Perrin, and Rand’s houses. Afterwards they attacked other parts of the village to cover their tracks
The books did really well with ambiguous prophecy. The prophecies were very specific in their wording but people argued over their meanings. Like I'm at a part in my re-read in book 4 where one of the prophecies states that Aes Sedai will bow to his will and they assume because Moiraine and other Aes Sedai are working with him that the prophecy is fulfilled but we know later that it is fulfilled very differently.
My favorite example of this is the bit about the three becoming one.
Clearly, the Dragon could be a woman who uses the He/Him pronouns 🙄
@@bahamutkaiser "Perhaps you're right, Watson. The only thing that seems clear about this case is that no one else has managed to present a clear analysis sufficient of converting the majority of his fellow WoT fans to his point of view."
"Don't you mean 'his or her,' old chap? After all, a great many WoT fans are female!"
"My dear fellow, surely you have not forgotten your grammar lessons as a schoolboy, when we were taught that the masculine pronoun is always to be employed when referring to a hypothetical individual of unknown gender?"
From "Sherlock Holmes examines the Murder of Asmodean", a piece of crossover fan fiction thats absolutly worth reading. The prophecies referring to "him" would be grammatically correct as long it is not certain the dragon is female.
Just like Mat and his boots XD
"Kneel or be kneeled!"
This show is the only reason I'm glad the Amazon WOT exists
I am glad so that they hemorrhage money and eventually realize that they make more of it, when they make good entertainment. They will learn... eventually.
It’s like getting a consolation prize only to find out that prize is a million dollars.
something something clouds and silver linings
LOL, thing is it seems to have a large following, especially with woman, one of Amazons most watched shows :/
Apologize to it!
Okay literally just tonight read the scene in the book where noirane sees Mat corrupted by the dagger and she straight off says that mat's essentially good nature will be battling the dagger's dark influence, one reason the dagger paranoyer waxes and wanes.
Compare this to all that absolute sheepswallop and bloody buttered onions about "the darkness within mat calling to the dagger and feeding on it."
This is making Last Jedi Luke Skywalker look like a fair-minded take on the character!
To be fair the actor had need to go - not angry at the actor whatsoever he literally hasn't been acting since i hope whatever happened has got better - but they needed to improvise and can you tell me what you think would have fitted. They had already filmed up to Ep6 when he left so without reshooting more then the eps ending how do you think they could have done better?
@@andrewb2494 Very easily actually.
Mat was already ill with the dagger's taint, and as Moirane said in the series, the Yellow aja are the finest healer's in the world. Simply have Moirane tell the others that she had some yellow sisters meet mat at the way gate, because on reflection she decided the dagger's corruption was too severe and needed curing, then instead of that shot of Mat just sitting there outside the gate, have a shot of him standing with some aes sidai.
My problem however here isn't actually with Barny Harris leaving, but with the complete changing of the mechanics of how the dagger works and Mat's character.
In the book, the dagger's influence is external to Mat, something imposed upon him. Yeah, it was stupid of him to take the dagger in the first place, but after that, the paranoyer and such the dagger causes are not Mat's fault, and indeed we're told (as I said), that Mat's basically good nature fights the corruption.
Here however, Mat has a darkness in him which somehow is tied up with the dagger, and the implication is that he was destined to go bad all along.
They might well have done this even if Barny harris had still been in the series; I mean, it's not as if they're going out of their way to portray any male characters in a good light, so why should Mat be any different.
@@darktenor4967 from what i understand about the aja's becoming part of an aja is more about your attitude than your skill, while great healers tend to become yellow, having a desire to heal above other things is what makes a yellow. etc.
@@samurai90x I'm quite aware that choice of aja is based on attitude; my lady and I regularly play a "what aja is she", game, with people we know.
My point was more that if they needed Barny Harris to exit the series, there was a ready made way to get him to do so without him turning evil or abandoning his friends, given that they're right in Tarvallan, slap bang next to the white tower and the head quarters of the yellow Aja, so leaving him behind to be healed would make perfect sense.
Again, this just seems more of the series going out of its way to smear all of its male characters; quite aside from making writing choices that are just plane nonsensical.
@@darktenor4967 i don't watch tv dude, i wait to get my kicks off of people being mad at what they knew was going to be a shitshow, people ought to have really figured it out by now, people who make tv and movies don't like you or your values, they aren't gonna make anything that appeals to you unless completely on accident, why do they put traditional values in the mouths of villains so often, and normal people end up identifying with the villain instead? CUZ they want you to think that normal people values are evil.
As a woman, I find most female characters in the Wheel of Time books utterly contemptible. Also as a woman, I find the things this TV show is pushing forward BEYOND contemptible. If this is feminisms... FUCK IT.
(Man here) Yeah, he might've struggled to write women without spamming the girl power button. N and E both have annoyed me in the first 2 books so far, and that scene in the tower (book 2) where 4 of them pine for Rand was a bad anime trope. A certain blonde-haired moustache-twirling red is downright insufferable.
@@daeraedor (Woman here 😁) Robert Jordan's women are caricatures for the most part and I hate them. All I can recommend is that you stick with Nynaeve, toward the end of the series, she has some really incredible moments and the greatest character growth. Otherwise, Min is the only believable female character.
Hang in there for Rand and Mat and the Forsaken, that's what I do everytime I re-read.
@@annarien4333 I think one of the issues with people hating the female characters is that there are heavy shades of unreliable narrator throughout. And most of us on first reads didn't get that the white tower has basically turned into a cult that brain washes all its members. The narrators are all taken in by the tower mostly. Little things like them not liking to train older women (who already have developed some backbone like Nyn) really start being massive red flags. So I try to view all the female aes sedai through the lens of they have been brain washed. Kinda like the whitecloaks that they oppose really. Except Egwene who is just a psychopath that tortures her friends to distract from her lying.
@@SevPlays ah, no, it's not just the Aes Sedai. ALL the women Robert Jordan writes are... *sigh* A few books of the Aiel Wise Women bullying everyone and then we get to the Seafolk. The fucking Seafolk. I don't know on what planet RJ thought women being bitches to each other and to everyone else over and over again = good writing.
On the other hand, to me, WoT the books are an exercise in restoring the balance between genders and by the end, it happens. Who even knows what the freaking TV show will do, but I'll probably not like it.
@@annarien4333 Interesting. Maybe there is honey on my memory but I always thought the wise women were actually pretty solid. I will pay more attention to that in my reread (book 6 so mostly just have Rand wondering if they are spying on him and Egwene getting far less than she deserves for lying to them for three straight books).
Yes, Shad! thank you! We're both waiting for them to 'subvert our expectations.' The only reason we think Rand is the dragon is simply because he says so. Nothing defines him as such. So we are going to get the ol' switcheroo. Rafe think he's so slick, but it looks so obvious. Even IF Rand is still the Dragon, it will still take Moiraine, Nynaeve and Egwene to save his life.
Like he doesnt need them in the books..
@@Jabbah123 Of course Rand needs all of them in the books, but not in the "oh thank the light you were here, I was surely dead without you three amazing women coming to my rescue' kind of way that we will surely get in the show.
@@ChristmasLore i agree, its an amazing chapter!
I still think without the help of N to clean the taint they would have lost.
Also without Perrin chasing the tower Aes Sedai and forcing the battle at Dumais Wells, Rand would have gone to a really dark place which would have made it very difficult to recover.
@@ChristmasLore oh yes, absolutely. They better not mess up his arc in the future seasons. There is a reason he‘s one of the most interesting characters in fantasy.
@@Briansgate you just seem salty lol
"logain, you aren't the dragon, as the dragon would shine like the sun.". "rand, woah, you knocked down a larger door with a dc check of 15?!? you are the dragon!"
They way the show uses Kelerne's comment to Logain immediately before he sees Nynaeve channelling - very subtle Rafe, almost as subtle as Thom talking about his nephew getting gentled by the red just before mat starts acting weird...
When tigraine did that flip how come Rand didn't suddenly fly out then and punch that guy in the face. It wouldn't have been any stupider.
2:15:20
Actually, in TGH Moiraine is visiting the sisters and thinks to herself why she appears to be jealous of Nynaeve breaking down Lan's walls. She never had a problem with the women that shared his bed before.
Lan was perfectly fine with sleeping with a girl so long as love was not involved. Since there was love between Lan and Nynaeve, he took it more seriously and refused her stating that his destiny is to die in the blight.
"Perrin's entire arc is learning to not be a simp"
*Thinks* You know this fits more than one might think given how book 14 ends.
I remember in Brandon Sanderson’s chat with Shad, he mentioned creatives having to spitball ideas (talking about The Last Jedi), and said that he considered having Perrin turn to the way of the leaf, and decided not to because it’s a horrible idea.
Also felt like they are dragging the character of Mat through the mud just because the actor left the show. It's like Rafe is doing a 'I'll teach you to leave my show!" Since Mat left, all they did was talk shit about him, call him everything from coward to a piece of crap, to being full of darkness, to the point that Moiraine is selling him out to the Reds. Absolutely no way she would have done that, even in the worst of situations.
That is not true. Rand defends Mat and Nynaeve wants to go back through the waygate to get him. The only one accepting it is Egwene. Moiraine sending the Reds is quite clever because 1. They will be distracted and thats tower politics 2. If he is not the dragon the Reds will simply have to let him go (gentling has no efdect on those who can't channel) and 3. If he was the dragon it would be too dangerous because he was drawn to the dagger. However I think she already suspected that he wasn't the dragon.
With her not knowing if Mat was the Dragon.... she would have reopened the door to The Ways instantly to find him. Completely counter to her resolve in the books.
@@Dooger414 As of the book she KNEW who was the dragon. She knew from the prophecy he had to have some link to the Aiel (born from a maiden) and be born in the dragonmount. She knew that Matt and Perrin were born in Emond's field. She knew it was rand from the start.
So see I am sympathetic with them on this one, and I can kind of see what Rafe is doing in a very bad way.
1st the actor put them in a VERY difficult spot with him not finishing the season. Like they need to do something with Mat, one of the main characters, but they're kind of screwed because they physically don't have the actor for the last two episodes. So how do you write around a character that needs to be in Fal Dara to have his dagger stolen and be the impetus for the boys to actually go after the Horn of Valere (which we don't know if they'll even have since it is technically not that HUGE of a plot point if you think about it, the dagger is bigger).
2nd I think her sending the Reds after him is going to be Rafe's reason for why Matt despises and doesn't trust any Aes Sedai ever. In the books his reason for not trusting Aes Sedai is kind of thin, I mean they do save his life after all with the dagger, but if the Red's go after and abuse him a bit it would shore it up.
Don't get me wrong Rafe is BUTCHERING the books, but I'm willing to give him a little leeway with this one since the actor just apparently got up and left after shooting episode 6 and he did have to scramble to figure out wtf do we do with him. I can even see them reshooting the Ways and making the Power open them to explain why they couldn't go back and let Mat back in, I don't think that's the case, but I could see it.
Call Red Ajah now!
On the whole "we couldn't veil her because we had to show her emotions mimimi":
1) Sounds are a thing
2) Body language is a thing
3) There's a literal test in psychology where you get pictures of people's eyes and four emotions and you have to pick the emotion the eyes are showing. Guess what, people are pretty decent at it. I'm a woman with Aspergers, I just did such a test (I did do it once before as a teenager in school), I scored surprisingly 33 out of 36, the average is 26. So no, it is very much possible to still convey information about a persons emotional state even with the lower half of their face veiled. Especially emotions like being in actual labor! If it was about someone being slightly upset and you want to show the whole face to convey that, ok. But this woman is giving birth RIGHT NOW. They tend to be rather vocal and obvious about it.
However there is a simple rule in TV/Movies that the audience tends to sympathise with the unmasked character against the masked, faceless one (assuming no other factors). A masked "assasin" killing the unmasked Illianers would probably have the audience more predisposed against Tigraine.
But in order to do that they'd have to hire a skilled actress first.
One word: Mandalorian
@@Klaaism Mando is the exception, but Star Wars is a good example. Imperial troops are usually wearing full face helmets, the faces of rebel troops can nearly always be seen.
You know, a lot of people talk about what works without actually observing the reactions of others in the audience. I've looked at a lot of reactions that praised her performance. She doesn't say a word, but she wins the audience over and impressed most of the folks reacting. Besides, given who she is, the oversight is understandable. Also, if you focus on the eyes, you're doomed to closeups to extreme closeups, and this would have taken away from keeping the fight mostly in medium shots.
I agree on the whole sex being treated as a casual thing in the show because the writers are introducing their modern concepts into it. I really don't how the writers did this.
I hear casual sex in medeival/Renaissance times was really safe and there is no reason almost every religion was against it!
The barmaid darkfriend is based off a darkfriend in the books who attacks Rand and Mat. Mat disarms her and wants to kill her, but Rand argues against it. It’s a much better showing of any darkness in Mat and the effects of the dagger and it shows the boys as actually being competent. It also adds to Rand’s character as he refuses to kill her.
But then no 🤛🤜💪💪strong philosophical woman
If anyone wants exact page that scene is in the first book(when rand and mat were separated from the rest of the group after shadar logoth,and are on their way to camelyn.its after the encounter with gode at dancing cartman and rand is ill cuz of aftereffects of using the power and mat and rand stay at the stable of an inn when they wake up the female dark friend is there) its the chapter before or the chapter the last village before camlyn.
If anyone wants exact page no(paperback) just reply to this comment
It is also based on two other incidents all combined into the one. First where they separate from Thom. Second where they play at Inn and they are going to be robbed after they fall asleep. That is where Rand uses the power to get them out of the Inn storeroom by bringing down lightning. Also all their other stays at Inns. All of that traveling to camelyn is rolled into the one incident.
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Rand's biological father was so distraught over losing Tigraine the he went to the blight to hunt the Dark One. There he ran into Luc, Tigraine's brother, and refused to fight him because Luc looked like Tigraine. Rand's father, Jandhuin(sp?), was then killed by Luc.
by the slayer actually. Not by Luc. I think he was gone by then...
@@MrWESS91 The important thing is it was Luc's body, which prevented Jandhuin from defending himself.
@@MrWESS91 I'll be honest the whole Slayer/Luc thing was really confusing. I still don't get whether it's supposed to be two people that fused or possession or something.
@@alexanderm8880 depends where you run across him and what he is doing. Slayer in the wolf dream but Luc when around regular people.
@@alexanderm8880 Slayer in wolf dream/Tel'aran'rhiod. Luc in the world of the living.
When this show officially jumps the shark, it would be comedic gold if that particular review begins as such:
Shad: "My Love, please take the children to the otherside of the house. Quickly now"
*Red Sonya takes the children behind Shad's castle wall*
Shad: "WHAT. THE. HELL. IS. THIS. SHIT!?!?"
I want Shad on the level of his Rise of Skywalker review lol 😆
When LOL it did that in episode two.
I saw this on r/WhiteCloaks and had to share it!
Rafe, rafing, v. - adapting a beloved book or game to the screen and in doing so, completely destroying the lore, insulting the creator, and enraging the fandom.
Examples:
Oh no, they're rafing Halo next! did you see the awful plot changes?
Man, the Wheel of Time totally got rafed!
1:41:11 Yes! This is why there are fans of the books that are so disappointed and angry. This show is supposed to be an adaptation of the books?! No they are using surface information from the books(barely) and creating some horrible show that is being put to people who haven't read the books as representing the books! This is nothing like the books, the books are actually incredible. That amazon 'thing' is crap. Oz you were right from the beginning, Shad I was on the 'hopium' as well. Nathan its nice hearing from you more!
I’m listening to book 1 on audible, around chapter 34 at the moment, and while listening I intentionally looked for the changes you’ve mentioned. The book is so much better than the show, I’m so glad the only exposure I’m getting to it is through your reviews.
Soldier on Shad.
Don't for the love of all that's holy watch a minute more of the show if you don't want the mental images of the characters ruined forever.
The show is much better than the first book. Wait till you get to the end, the book is clunky as fuck
@@ariufondu Yep, spends 3/4 of the book on mostly inconsequential scenes (who can forget the thrilling chapter in which Rand and Mat spend a day working on a farm and then go on their way?) and then crams a book’s worth of plot development into the final few chapters. “Oh, by the way, the enemy has been massing troops on the border, the defenders are badly outnumbered, desperate last stand…never mind, the good guys won. Deus Ex Machina ftw!” But the show failed to hold my interest any more than the book did.
It gets better. I've listened to 1 and 2 now and TGH lacks the cringe and drag of EotW. A lot of characters and factions lack subtlety at all, too many moustache twirling villains. The Children of the Light are mentally disabled and love death, not life. Excellent world building though. Great lore. The end of TGH is less rushy and contrived too.
@@daeraedor It did occur to me that Jordan's writing should, in theory, improve over time. You can't write that much and not improve.
Tbh though, Egwene was practically insufferable in the book too. I think it is one of RJ’s most magnificent character saves ever to make her likable (she was an amazing character actually) in KoD and TGS. But he started out with her young and immature and she grew up. Which is why aging the characters and making them more world-weary robs them of their arcs
A lot of the women were insufferable in the books, a lot of them reacted the exact same way to things whereas the male characters would have diverse reactions depending on their development
Egwene never got better. Even in the last book I hated her. I wanted her to die from book 3 onwards and that never faded, and I hated the way her story came to a conclusion it gave her way too much credit.
@@alexanderm8880 I have to agree with you. As the series progressed, the mindset of the women, especially with their relationship to men, was nearly identical no matter their background or the situation. Granted, the men weren't much better at times, but they at least expanded and developed in other areas.
@@boobalooba5786 I see ur point but I actually think that RJ wrote an improvement to Egwene in KoD and TGS ( he had written all Egwene’s parts in that book b4 he died) She grew up, learned to sacrifice herself for others and was loyal to Rand defending him to the Aes Sedai and the King (ex) of Ilian. I always thought it lazy writing of Brandon Sanderson in the last 2 books to revert her to total arrogant brat in her attitude towards Rand just to set up the conflict at the Merrillor meeting. He admits it himself in nterviews that he found that conflict between Rand and egwene forced but he had to do something as RJ insisted (without giving details as to why) that Rand and egwene should be in disagreement at Merrillor and have Moiraine come in to save the day. He basically made egwene do a 180 though on all her character growth to do this so yeah - she was super annoying in the last 2 books and I was happy she died in the end as well:
@@boobalooba5786 Didn't she essentially admit to dream r**ing Elayne's brother after she learned to dreamwalk?
I was laughing out loud when the pregnant redhead was jumping around killing dudes left and right. So stunning, so brave.
In labour.
@@richardcahill1234 I would say she is dilated the full 10 cm with the baby in the birth canal.
It was so cringe.
I was also laughing out loud when aragorn was killing 15 orcs alone that are larger than him and easily could have impaled him.
@@herakles6185 I didn’t realize Strider was dilated 10 cm and the baby was crowing in that scene. Pretty cool though!
The thing that bugged me most about the scene with Loial and Rand is that Loial's response is that it's odd that Rand is denying being in a Aielman when it should have been "Why the hell is an Aielman carrying a sword?!!!!!!!?!!" In the books, that's weirder than Trollocs being in the Two Rivers.
That didn't happen though in the books. Loial is baffled that anyone with red hair and grey eyes which marks all Aielmen could possibly be from the Two Rivers because everyone from the Two Rivers had dark hair and brown eyes.
Race and geography matters a lot in WoT, just like it did in the middle ages. It's like saying a man with red hair and blue eyes trying to say he is from Greece and that he's not Irish.
@@Valkaneer Yes. But I've given up on expecting things to be like the books and am aiming for the very low bar of better than what we're getting. If Loial is going to be insistent that he is an Aielman in denial, he should be surprised by the sword. I agree that if it had started with the book basis of "you have some odd colorings for your home region", this wouldn't apply.
@@Valkaneer WoT isn't in the Middle Ages.
That Aiel do not use swords is apparently less well established for Loial than them having red hair. Loial doesn't assume he knows evrything and would probably have asked the Aiel about it after introducing himself, if that Aiel hadn't denied being an Aiel...
@@RandomStuff-he7lu no it isn't. it is "In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past".
Regardless, Valkaneer didn't say it was in the Middle Ages.
"What more iconic feminist scene can you pick than a woman in labor killing men?"
A scene of a woman aborting her baby while killing men.
Aborting? What are you talking about? Giving birth.
What I've noticed is that there are almost no instances of men being exceptional, except when it doesn't matter and fail when it does.
1) Lan does a decent job of protecting Moiraine during EP1 fight against the Trollocs, but she still gets hit with that knife.
1a) Tam, despite also being a blademaster like Lan (though somewhat out of practice, to be fair) gives a singular Trolloc a few papercuts with a power wrought sword.
2) Lan takes them into Shadar Logoth, despite Moiraine's warning
3) When Nynaeve shows up, in the show she gets to the point of putting a knife to Lan's throat. Book Lan calls her out when she's still hiding and watching him and Moiraine from a distance.
4) Mat and Rand run from the singular darkfriend with a sword. Tom gets one small exception by getting her from a distance.
5) Perrin doesn't even really struggle against the whitecloaks. Egwene gets credit for freeing the both of them AND taking out Valda, who begins crying like a little wuss, despite being canonically a blademaster (IIRC).
6) The one who senses the Trolloc in the Ways is Egwene, despite being asleep. Moiraine and Lan are both able to sense Trollocs, due to their experience and the Warder bond, but the sleeping, untrained channeler does it.
6a) Lan doesn't sense when Moiraine masks her bond to take Rand into the Blight
6b) Lan only does a sneaky, stealth move INSIDE Fal Dara, to trick Nynaeve.
What you are overlooking:
1. Lan easily disarms Nynaeve when she threatens him with the knife. Same later with Rand.
2. Lan taking them to Shadar Logoth is the right decision. In the books Moirane does the same against Lans objections.
3. Lan is asleep while Moirane masks her bond, so he couldn't notice it. And should she have masked it while he was having sex with Nynaeve he has a good reason to assume why she masked it.
4. Two boys running away from one darkfriend with a sword? Listen to what Shad says in this(!) episode about a sword being great a equalizer against unarmored opponents.
5. Thom holding his own against a Myrdraal - if that is not exceptional what is?
6. That Moirane is getting wounded in EP1 is her own fault - standing in the open against an opponent that has ranged attacks and relying on a warder without a shield to protect her is asking for trouble. She shoud have bothered to weave a shield to protect herself first.
@@gildor8866 1.the fact that she managed to sneak up on him in the first place is why this does not make sense 4. Despite being in a very small and closed room were a long sword like the one she is welding would be close to useless rand instead decided to give her his exposed back to try to break a door so he can run away
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlConcerning 4: the close room works both ways. She may not have the room to swing the sword, but then she doesn't have to. All she has to do ist point the sword at Rand, what she does . If Rand tries to rush her he would run directly into the sword as there is no room to go left or right. He could close the distance slowly and try to get the sword out of the way, but with what? Trying to grip the blade with bare hands is obviously a bad idea and he has nothing else at hand. Showing her his exposed back to open a door he can't possibly get open (assuming he doesn't know he can channel) may be stupid, but what alternative does he have save a suicidal charge? I certainly would at least try the door first.
Minor quibble: Moraine calls Nynaeve out, not Lan. I had thought he did so, but I listened to that part of the Audiobook earlier and found out I was mistaken- Lan _does_ find her horse, however, something she wasn’t expecting him to do, as she underestimated his skill at tracking, and was frustrated by.
@@gildor8866 actually there was plenty of time for him to charge her. as she spent a long time looking at the window and not at him.
30:45 "The Dark One and all the Forsaken were bound in Shayul Ghul by the Creator at the moment of creation" the Dark One himself is an entity without a definitive spatial limitation, but the seal is located in the bowels of a volcano at Shayul Ghul, beyond the blight.
It's happening, everybody stay calm. Except for Shad. He can do him.
Just finished. That last sentence shows me so clearly that they did not read the Witcher books.
@@ChristmasLore The rage is an expression of deep disappointment.
@@ChristmasLore
I mean, he is passionate because it's his favorite fantasy series.
@@ChristmasLore
He once said on Shadiversity that "Wheel of time" is his favorite...
And some passion is alright, we are not in an intellectual Harvard debate room...so he doesn't need to be a robot.
@@ChristmasLore The ones that threw the be an adult part out of the window where the woke producers that decided to disrespect the story.
@@ChristmasLore No, it is the ONLY way things improve. That has been shown. When people with decency keep their voices down, the evil reigns.
I love how Min says the dragon reborn will be a shepherd, bought up in a village with two rivers.
We know in the show moirane knows min and has used her powers before, and Min has a vision pointing to a village with two rivers, and moirane then takes such a long time to, mmm, go to the place full of shepherds called the two bloody rivers!
I didn't hate episode 7 as much as the others, quite aside from silly moments like super pregnant ninja, and yet more ninaeve randomly levelling up and getting more powers, (handy she spent those stat points on force shield), but the logic of the way the series handles what should be a major reveal just boggles me!
Then again, one cannot write a character more intelligent than one's self, and it's pretty clear what the intelligence of the forsaken writers who produce this load of blood and bloody ashes is!
I yelled that exact thing at my tv. Why has Moraine been searching for 20 years when Min knows every detail
lol, super pregnant ninja is probably the most book accurate thing so far xD
Hahaha, it didn't occur to me by now but YES, the makers of this TV show are as incompetent as the Forsaken were in the book series.
@@annarien4333 In defense of the book forsaken they were working against one another as much as against the forces of the light
@@danielschroder5733 true. Also in defense of them, my absolute favorite WoT character (Asmodean) is totally useless and summarily dispatched and I still love him. 😁
Honestly this episode was the most enjoyable for me as a fan of the books. The scene with Rand's mother fighting off a half dozen guys while giving birth was absolutely farcical and I laughed my way through the whole thing. It was the dumbest thing they have depicted so far, and I didn't think they could slip under that low-bar so competently. I think the show runner's should have read the whole series, it might have been helpful to remember that Rand's mother was Aiel Trained, but she was not herself Aiel. (If I recall correctly Rand's real father went to fight the dark one after his wife died on dragonmount)
I loved your reaction to Egwene demanding an apology. I hated her in that moment, and Rand refusing to apologies would have been much more in keeping with how poorly matched they are in the books. (squabbling siblings, not lovers!) I feel like the show runners tried to skip to the end of Egwene's story with the crap about being unbreakable. It is so much more pathetic and Mary-Sue (ish) for her to just have that immediately (and as a child). For what it's worth in the books Rand did talk about being Egwene's warder, but they both suspected it wasn't going to happen. I think it was after the introduction of Min who told her 'you aren't for her, and she's not for you''. (Maybe Near the end of book 1, since I think it was before Rand knew he could channel, but he was remembering Min's warning!)
I was amazed by the revaluation of the Dragon, and I agree with you-guys. This was a fake out, I'm expecting the 'many headed dragon' BS to come back again. It is just stunning to me that they took such a good reveal, and cut it down to Rand just walking up and saying 'yup I'm the dragon'. It was such a weak moment, and they sacrificed so much of the story to accomplish it.
You missed complaining about Moraine going into the Blight without her warder... I guess this version of Lan isn't as knowledgeable about the Blight, and she wouldn't be totally reliant on him to get the dragon through the blight! (She has the power of 'woman'... I guess that's all she could ever need). Admittedly it would be a full time job to catch everything that needs to be called out in this series, it is impressively bad. The last work that I know that was this badly adapted was 'Legend of the Seeker' which took names, and not much else from the 'Sword of Truth'.
As a note: Aes Sedai can mask their bond in the Books. (it comes up several times) Lan also is much more casual about sex than Nynaeve. The important point is that he is not casual about love! In new spring he nearly has a (unwanted) fling with a barmaid, he's fighting off a marriage proposal where his first lover is trying to marry him off to her daughter. Other Aes Sedai mention that Lan has been chased and caught by many women, but no one has ever been able to hold his heart. That is what always made Nynaeve different, she won his heart long, long before sex was involved. He spent more than a year running away from it, trying to deny it... but she won in the end. This basically ruins one of the most intricate relationships of the series. Rand spends so much time running from his loves that they don't get much time to shine, and Perrin is screwed from square one in this series. probably
Absolutely agreed. Whoever thought the labor ninja was the funniest stupid thing I've seen in a long time. It was Kung pow levels of comedy.
Me and the wife are hate watching at this point. Haven't hate watched and laughed this bad since the last few seasons of heroes and lost.
I weirdly liked legend of the seeker lol, Time to go read the books then.
Yes his mother was a blond wetlander. It seems everything they can screw up, they do.
Spot on, couldn't agree more. Lol the only thing that would make sense is if they kill And at the end, and let the dark one win in that version and then run it again and maybe follow the highly successful script already written. Also maybe no a cast that puts me off my dinner would be nice also.
THEY DID READ THE WHOLE SERIES. These types of comments piss me off. THEY HAVE BOOK EXPERTS. You don't think a pregnant Aiel could kill 7 men, then you're then one that needs to read the whole series.
Rand getting exhilarated after channeling to fend off the trolloc on Bayle Domon’s ship was soooo freaking cool. He climbs up on top of the mast and is laughing. Everyone is staring at him, thom climbs up to tell him to get down, he swings down the ropes and lands in front of mat. I was really excited to see this. And the scene where he confronted whitecloaks in Baerlon. At least we would see Rand being confident and badass and creepy rather than sulky and lovesick all the time. Grrrr
IIRC that was days after he had channeled.
Matt's card did not rip people's throats out. The cards came alive and the drawings came out of the cards and tried to kill Matt and only Matt because Tyveren attract the bubbles in the threads.
Let's all remember the first recording had so much rage it broke. That being said I appreciate the work. You are a true hero.
The reason Perrin is always pushing against the "Way of the Leaf" is that he is becoming more like a Wolf. The Tinker's way of life is nearly the exact opposite of that of a wolf. Remember Perrin saying "There is nothing to hunt" when speaking about why he dislikes the life of the Tinkers.
There's that, yep.. but in this show it's being used to push the vegan agenda and a namby pamby vacuous 'make nice' attitude, clearly indoctrinated over the previous month, which is probably why Perrin held himself back from dealing with the Whitecloak then and there... leaving Egwene to do the necessary.
Love that your wife was willing to be involved Shad. And she has a lovely voice that Oz can't touch.
If I recall, Tigrane was killed, and Tam found her, with other dead Aiel. The book sounded like she was injuried when she went into labor, those defended her died while she gave birth and she died cradling her baby, and Tam found Rand from his crying
1:19:33 Thank you, yet again! This contradictory writing is killing me. And you don't even need book knowledge to see it!
Rand: I'm the Dragon
Moiraine: How do you know?
Rand: machin shin told me
Moiraine: But I said don't listen to machin shin
Rand: oh yeah, sorry, I'll go back to bed.
MM not really Manchin Shin just uses what in your head it takes a truth and messes with you. Nothing it said to any of them was wholly an untruth..he has been in denial about being the Dragon..and it just forced him to face that truth becuase it was what he didn't want.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 He's been in denial? Where? When?
@@AlbertoMartinez765 Machin Sin never says anything meaningful to anyone ever, it's all raving about how tasty it is to rend the flesh, plait the strips, singing screams, etc. Just another example of the showrunners inability to convey anything from the books correctly.
@@Lucklaran Look, if they did that, if they did that "rend the flesh, etc." shit in real life It'd just come off stupid as hell. Unless it was actually doing that, actually inflicting physical harm on them, then it would be more like, "oh, just a bunch of annoying incel BS." The psychological element makes it painful, conveys a soul-destroying aspect. If you're writing something that's mean to be soul destroying, you can convey how the "rend your flesh" effects them, but if you're doing something in TV or movies, it needs to come across as painful in terms that can be seen, heard, and acted.
the black wind..in the books is said to do 1 of 3 things…
1 it’s like shadow logath at night… it’s feasts an rends flesh from its victims instantly while they die screaming
2 leaves any one exposed to it in a brain dead coma
3 drives it’s victims hopelessly mad with no hope of regaining there sanity..
either way It kills, drains the victim's soul or drives em insane, those are your only options…
almost every living thing it comes in contact with is finished.
“Why don’t you not?”
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“Just a minute,” Rafe protested. “What’s this about me butchering Robert Jordan’s stories? Are you all-?”
“You just don’t tell them as well as Robert Jordan,” Shad cut him off hastily, and Lady Shad hopped in. “You keep adding in things, trying to make it better, and they never do.”
“And you get it all mixed up, too,” /r/whitecloaks added. “Best leave it to Robert Jordan.”
Chekhov's gun is so called because it is a principle that was describe by Chekhov - a famous Russian playwright. He is quoted as saying that if there is a gun on stage in act one, it has to fire by act three. The general principle is that you do not introduce irrelevant elements into a story.
It is not about equality. Its about "equity".
Whats ironic about everyone blindly following Moiraine is that if you listen to the Wheel of Time audio books they have an interview with Robert Jordan at the end of each book. In the interview he takes a little jab at Tolkien saying how growing up in the country he didn't like the idea of how a wizard would show up to a country village and say "You must follow me to save the world", and the villagers would say "right then gov off we go." Instead what he imagined they would say would be something like "Look here have another beer, have two on me, I'll be right back really." and then slip out the back door. this interview for those interested ua-cam.com/video/BXGhkXUChpc/v-deo.html Yet here we have all of the main cast Blindly following Moiraine like "Right then love off we go."
Okay. You write them being stubborn for ten minutes straight. And not coming off as utterly stupid or unlikeable. There's plenty of conflict.
@@facepwnagewtf I wish Rand would've asked her that in TGH or TDR or TSR or FoH.
@@fudgyvmp3961 Spoilers. Now it's been a hot minute since I've read the books, but as i recall the dangers were much more clearly defined, and the main characters weren't all marching off to a prophesied guarantee of death right form the get go. Even after Rand discovers that he is the Dragon Reborn it takes two whole books for him to finally accept the responsibility that the title entails. And still after that it's a couple more books worth of development before he comes to terms with the likelihood that this quest will claim his life. It's not perfect, but IMHO it's done far better than the rushed job the show has been portraying.
@@facepwnagewtf this is season one why are you comparing it to cross book development that includes 3 books?
@@Arphemius I have heard that interview and I really didn't take it as a jab against Tolkien, Jordan just talks about how if you're some random villager and some random wise wizard character you've never heard of shows up and tells you you're the hero fated to save the world you're probably going to think the guy is nuts.
They’re really gonna say “ maybe the dragon was the friends we found along the way”
"The dragon was the woke politics we shoved down everyone's throat....along the way." - some insane radfem from the show, probably
@@Andri474 radfems are anti woke you know that right?
@@Spiceodog
Where have you seen that? How would that even be possible?
@@Andri474 radfems are the opposite of libfems. The way my radfem friend stated, libfems want inclusionary utopia , where it’s illegal to call a male rapist a man because he identifies as a women, and to shove men into womens prisons. Radfems just want to be paid the same as men and have there sex based rights protected. Also they give a fuck about what happens in third word countries. Radfems and libfems hate eachother.
@@Spiceodog People writing like that complaining about how other people shove politics down their throats. Has anybody noticed that the first people to get political about entertainment these days are typically the anti-woke squad?
I’m certain them “finally” revealing Rand as the Dragon is a setup for a later twist that will fuck over Rand’s character and benefit one or more of the female characters.
I can see them destroying him
We'll now learn to dislike The Dragon... And Egwene will be the ultimate hero. Rand will be an accessory.
Yea Rand will turn evil in episode 8. Then he can go around being super powerful, but it's okay, because he is the bad guy now.
They will do the split soul and the girls will take the lead.
The Dragon reveal in episode seven was so anticlimactic that I'm almost convinced they're still going to do the whole "five-headed dragon" thing in the next episode.
Me not even watching the screen: *POP!* Stop doing that! So funny XD I love your guys interactions
You say it’s obvious in the Books that Rand is the Dragon. That’s actually forgetting that we don’t even know until the tail end of Book 1 what the heck is special about the Emond’s Fielders in the first place! We hear about Lews Therrin Telamon, the Dragon who broke the world, and I honestly don’t remember how much his anticipated rebirth was talked about, but it never occurred to me at least that Rand was the Dragon reborn or that that was why Moiraine was interested in him until Moiraine revealed in the very last line of the book “the Dragon has been reborn,” and it’s not until the next book that she tells Rand and we find out why she was looking for them in the first place.
It's because Moiraine never brings up the Dragon Reborn to them, unlike in the show where she just blurts out the whole thing to get them out of the village. However, i'd argue that it's clear from very early on that Rand IS the main character of the series. RJ constantly points out the heron marked blade either through Rand's inner dialogue or through various people reacting to the sight of it. We also find out pretty early on (and i think this is what Shad is confusing) that Rand is a male who can use the one power. After that Rand eventually makes it to Caemlyn where we find out more about Logain (after the vague mentions at the start of the book), about false dragons, and this, i'd argue, strongly hints that Rand is the actual Dragon Reborn.
I think reading new spring is essential for reading wheel of time tbh. It sets up the stakes of the dragon being reborn and her quest to find him
Rand seems to channel multiple time in the first book. I just started reading it and I am just after Shadar Logoth. First, like your wife said with the horse, then there is often little event with trollocs. Last one I noticed is when a trolloc is about to spear him with a broken catch pole and he get ''lucky'' after shouting ''NO!'', the ship boom that had been secured came lose and hit the trolloc, breaking all its bones and throwing it into the water.
That could have just been his ta'veran nature.
@@falseprophet1024 idk, but there is emphasis on how he react and shout No. There is a lot of details on that very short moment, more than in many similar ones. To me, that seems deliberate.
Rafe, "We should tell a third of the story through a 30 second montage. It'll be great."
More time for Lan to play with his nipples over sad warder
I hope they defeat the dark one at the eye and the series ends there. Puts us all out of our suffering and we can ask for a new adaptation sooner :D
@@theabhorrentchef7226 should've been animated from the beginning.
@@anthonycrayne2835 I can think of one studio in particular that would have made this series amazing. Studio Bones, the makers of Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. They'd need to tone down some of the more "cartoony" moments they sprinkled through FMAB, but can you even imagine?
@@anthonycrayne2835 Having watched the animated shorts that Amazon put out with this series, I 100% agree.
@@geoff2886 Liandrin seems to have been working with Be'lal until he was Balefired. After book 3, I'm not sure. My reread hasn't gotten past book 3 yet
@@Lucklaran a WoT anime would be even more welcome, to me at least. Madhouse or ufotable would've been cool too.
Your wife has a lovely voice and excellent insights on the books and this show!
Just a small confirmation, Shad. In the books, Aes Sedai can indeed mask their bond with their warders. :)
Just let him spin everything negatively about the show now that he's discovered it's a Leftist plot
That's just emotions. They can still find them
RE: Rand's mother's fight:
1) Where were the other fighters? - even slain bodies would show something.
2) Was the soldier's Armour made of corn starch? - even a good gambeson would have been more effective!
A pregnant Mary Sue cannot be defeated.
Folks love to do little nitpicks and think they're being logical. Shaiel was not looking to do battle. She was looking to give birth somewhere ALONE, so neither she nor her child would die in the process. The other Aiel would be engaged in the fight, so anywhere they were would be right in the battlefield itself. Unfortunately, she got followed. As for your other points, if you note, she doesn't hit them in the plate, she pierces between them, stabs for open parts of the helmets, into throats... if not real life weak points, then places that would read to the audience as vulnerable.
@@ignacius8466 She did die. But hey, you guys know best, let's have the first sight of Aiel in combat be not amazing.
The armor thing is in EVERY single show that has armor it’s never depicted correctly critiquing this is not really significant in any way.
1) They do actually show other fighters (corpses) at the very start of the cold open, she just fucks off further past the burning wreckage and dead bodies.
I really liked how the first book didn't reveal why Moraine was looking for the boys. Until the very end, the fact that it's even about the Dragon Reborn isn't even known. It makes for a better mystery, imo; these evil monster things are after these boys and they, as well as the audience, don't know why.
"Flesh so fine, so fine to tear, to gnash the skin; skin to strip, to plait, so nice to plait the strips, so nice, so red the drops that fall; blood so red, so red, so sweet; sweet screams, pretty screams, singing screams, scream your song, sing your screams..." - Machin Shin (The Black Wind)
Also it would kill you, not just say mean things
I came to a point where I am no longer watching the show on Prime, instead checking out your channel for your review of the next episode ... ) It is much more rewarding and satisfying for me this way. Keep your watch, Sir Knights!
Me too theses reviews are so much better
The Eye of the World isn’t at a set location. It’s a place that you happen upon in the blight when you have great need. And you can only find it once. The reason she brings the ta’varen is to increase the odds of finding it. Also, they are looking for the eye because Ba'alzamon is taunting them in their dreams telling them that the eye of the world will never serve them.
Plus the Tinkers mention a prophesy delivered by a dying Aiel that said the Dark One would "blind the Eye of the World".
Yes this is a difference from the book
Re-listening to this 2 years later and the whole segment at 2:05:42 still cracks me up 😂
You guys deserve a medal for still watching
Anglemar OFFERS HER THE BEST OF THIER LANCERS IN THE BOOK!!! HES EXTREMELY TRUSTING OF HER
The part that really got me in this episode (as someone that never heard of Wheel of Time until this show) was the very beginning. The pregnant woman beating up 3-4 male soldiers, then immediately giving birth, on the spot... I just couldn't. She was literally having contractions while beating a bunch of guys up. I can't suspend my disbelief that much.
I kept wondering if she had some superpowers. It made no sense
It’s a HUGE facepalm moment. I don’t care how much magic or training you have- you don’t move like that when you have a baby’s head in your pelvis. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
That doesn't really stray from the implications of the books though
@@josephh8117 I mean that only makes the book worse, not the show better.
It’s a fantasy show ffs 🤦♂️
To my Texan ears, Shad's wife has a lovely accent. It's nice to have her join the crew for some jolly deconstruction of this abysmal abomination of an adaptation.
Australian women have great accents, until they get excited...
We must convince the people on the fence about this show that it needs to be cancelled or severely changed. #ReplaceRafe
u could probs try and get it cancelled. but not changed. if it gets cancelled, amazon isn't going to give it another shot for a change for at least the next 20-30 years lol.
If I don't like a show, like say, the recent Cowboy Bebop adaptation, I might make one video about what I thought they did wrong, and then drop it.
This isn't a fricking religion. This is entertainment. I can't think of any worse waste of my time than to lobby somebody to hate something they enjoyed. That is literally sucking the fun out of somebody else's experience. How would that replace my own fun?
@@Highbrowser well yes and yet no. There has to be pushback against someone who wanted to push political propaganda by exploiting a dead man’s work, tarnishing it, and purposely trolling fans.
It just rubs me the wrong way and maybe some push back will cause the next Hollywood deuce bag to think twice about doing the same.
Sure I like the WoT but it’s not even about that. This is a fight about something bigger than the WoT. How many father’s sat down with their sons to share this series only to be blindsided by brainwashing from evil that seeks to make that son become as weak as possible as he grows up.
“But my son!” Indeed. 🤔
@@forsaken7976 Whatever you want to say, Male Liandrin. Let’s be blunt here: you, like millions of others, have been indoctrinated in this belief that our society belongs solely to YOU. That the rest of us make the One Power of culture filthy, and that we aren’t supposed to interpret works of the past to suit our views. How many times and in how many places would you deny us the right to express our point of view? But also, if we take ten seconds to look at just what kind of work we have here, here is an example in a then male-dominated field of epic fantasy where essentially the premise is “Men fucked up the world, and women had to take over and keep the male side of the one power suppressed.”
If Eye of the World came out to day, you’d be screaming for his head, calling him a woke misandrist. But since it’s a 30 year old work that you read as kids, you don’t register how liberal of a premise it is.
Yes, the work is more LGBTQ positive. Yes, it gives women characters more to do in the scenes. Yes, it has the position of the Dragon opened up to both genders. And that may offend some people with delicate sensibilities! Seems like those exist everywhere. But the hilarious thing is that you don’t realize YOU ARE ONE OF THEM! You’re literally trying to cancel Wheel of Time because you don’t like it. Trouble is, and you might not realize this if dear old Shad is the only person you listen to, but this is one of the most watched series, and watched-through of all time on Amazon Prime. And a lot of people love what they’ve seen!
You are not the sum total of society. You and people like you no longer have the control you once did. Yours is not an objective position, and you do not have the right to destroy other people’s expression so that your point of view can triumph. If you don’t like the ideas that we put forward, put forward your own. That’s what living in a free country allows you. When they screwed up Cowboy Bepop, I didn’t try and get it canceled, though I wasn’t to eager to see it continue, nor sad at the end of the series. No, instead, I just put out a critique. Boom. Done. I don’t have to destroy what I dislike. if I really got to hating WoT, I’d just post a critique and stop watching.
Grow up. You want your son to be strong, show him how to endure disagreement with grace and dignity. This need to control everything reflects a weakness inside.
@@Highbrowser You keep saying the same thing with more and more words. And it doesn’t make sense. I don’t think the world belongs to me but these people think it belongs to them and they have the power to spew their hate. But the moment someone like me pushes back we get lectured and patronized? Haha. 👌
More proof I’m right. The wheel of time books are essential about the balance of men and women. If they had been wrote today they would be called misogynistic. And this show is proof. That’s literally why they are changing so much. And yet here you are saying the exact opposite. It’s double speak and it’s dangerous, just as I said.
I’m calling for it to be cancelled bc it’s bad and they shit on the source material and bc it’s a dangerous hateful message they are sending. You people can’t stand at taste of your own medicine, eh?? Haha. Love it. Looks like Rafe has released the trolls. 🤦🏼♂️
You are wrong about my motives and the books and what you are trying to say about me makes no sense. Jordan wasn’t “woke”. At least not in the sense that the word means nowadays anyway. If he was then they wouldn’t be “woke washing” the show. If he wrote the books today nothing would change. But it’s a moot point bc he wrote them when he did and the way he did, which is the way he wanted to and the way they should be adapted.
In books Egwene wanted Rand to be her warder. The lines are reversed
facts this definitely stood out to me..an rub me wrong..
Glad your wife said the bela thing, the show kinda implied it because moraine does not heal bela but the other horses.
Those of us looking for it saw rand channel twice horse and door slam.
Amazon prime has paid off the wheel of time community to give positive reviews with perks and red carpet premieres all expense payed trips.
Knights watch gives honest takes
I think fans of the books are just excited to see it on screen. They are invested in the IP, so they will love the IP no matter what it is.
That happens a lot, people overly praise things they love, even if the game, movie, show sucks.
@@LarryJ602 Daniel greene Nabelis and Dragonmount all got paid trips to the red carpet premiere in London
Dusty wheel is sponsored by Amazon
Its not about being fans
Its about feeding off of RJs corpse
@@anthonyturner791 I like Daniel but I couldn’t take him serious the moment he and everyone else was invited. Even if it is someone I like being at a premiere, automatically puts a sword of Damocles over ones head with regards to being honest. It maybe tempting to pull punches for not loosing access even if the company itself says you can. And with a big company like Amazon who has a vested interest in this expensive series to succeed, I wouldn’t put it past them to cut access for those folks who do not go with the flow.
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Yeah, but I'm referring to the positive reviews and fan reactions.
Like the crane sword, it was a fleamarket katana, yet fans of the books praised it.
It looked like crap, but they acted like it was the greatest sword ever in a fantasy show.
@@Avarn388 thats exactly how corporations work
Thanks for the video. I am so glad you guys are going through the pain so I dont have to..I really do love these videos.
Them seeming to rush towards a 'final battle' at the Eye of the World is giving me bad flashbacks to the 2nd Percy Jackson movie, where they just jammed a confrontation with Chronos in at the last minutes, and RUIN any possibility of the rest of the series happening.
Except in the first book Rand does believe he fights the dark one and wins and is only told later nah bro totally wasn’t him.
Without the "baby will be born on the slopes of dragonmount" part the reveal in the episode makes zero sense. Not having read the books, I couldn't connect why the reveal had any bearing on who the Dragon is because this was either not mentioned in the show, or was so buried I just missed it.
The prophecy also had born from a maiden. That means he must have aiel blood (their warrior woman are called spear maidens )
😂 now that you say it, i realise how they haven’t really set up what the dragon mount itself is, the very first time i saw it in the show, i got goosebumps, not because it was a good visual, but just because of what it stood for in the books, the dragon mount in the show is just a volcanic mountain. It holds no weight unless you’re familiar with the books(much like most characters in the show too).
Although I think that they will touch on this in ep 8, if they had just included Lews Therin making Drangonmount in the opening of the show like in the books instead of that tepid intro by Moraine it would have explained so much more. Dragonmount wasn't even introduced until ep 4, and it was just a meh moment with no importance.
@@-logic6654 That is true, since they skip the intro of the first book. But that scene was too weird for TV I think.
I hate what they did to the core of the character’s. Matt only wants to have fun, but when shit hits the fan, he’s the first or second into the fire. Perrin, while methodical, becomes a rock when he set his mind to it. He will go into the zone and get it done.
To me it is sad how Dai shan is reduced as a charecter. One of my favourite scenes from the book is the raising of the golden crain. It is such a deserved climax. After struggling for years knowing one day he will attack the blight and it will be his last. While he never talks about it. In EoTW It is aglomar who tells us Dai shan's story. Not lan himself. Why did he need to change to a weak version. What even is this line: Before you, I had nothing to live for... and nothing to die for. You... have given me both. This is not the Lord of the Seven Towers. This is anything but Tai'sahar Malkier!
You are unfortunately very right. They have completely destroyed Lans Arc.
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Spoiler warning for non book readers.
It is a sad thing. Every reread I get "allergies" when reading these 2 sentences: Will my husband ride alone.
The golden crane rides for tarmon gai'don.
Just thinking of these sentences make my allergies come 😅
Uhh did you read new spring…. Nothing was really changed. And we’re not to that part yet you can’t say a part that hasn’t happened yet is ruined…when we haven’t seen it..yet….
Is maintaining a neutral facial expression at all times beneficial to the show as a visual medium? Is it even the sign of a good character in any medium?
@@josephh8117 I would argue it can be good. As I really enjoy lan in the books.
Lan never wanted to reclaim malkier he was set on avenging it.
Considering everybody was told, "We're going to the Dark One's prison" Mat staying behind was the realistic option. He's a farm boy after all.
They all are? What
@Jksm Mkv wowee you sure got me with that one
Golly gee I feel a fool, how could I forget Perrin was a blacksmith, I explicitly stated he was a farm boy, and was not not in a round about way implying that the town was a farming town as opposed to being, like anything else
@Jksm Mkv okay sure farm/= sheep herders
And you definitely don’t farm tabac
Not at all
At this point i am having a hard time seeing any of the original characters in this show. They haven't really explained enough of the backstory to let you know what the Dragon reborn is and why he's important. The story of Lews Therin and The Forsaken is too lightly glossed over. Primarily the cut out of the entire Baelzamon visiting each of their dreams line leaves so much unexplained. Nynaeve is the character most like her book counterpart. which is sad, because she isn't THAT close. As of episode seven i am done, they have gotten too far away from the original story. It may turn out to be an OK fantasy story but it is definitely not "The Wheel of Time."
I am only watching from morbid curiosity since episode 3
Actually Nynaeve not being that close to her book character is a plus, cause like many I didn't like Nynaeve at all in the first books. When Moirane saves Mat and doesn't even get an acknowledgement from Nynaeve - that 100% the Nynaeve I know from the early books.
There are no characters. This show has either cardboard cutouts or schizophrenics.
I agree...as a non book-reader, I have zero idea what is going on. Who is the "Dark One" and what does he want? If he's super powerful, why does he need "the dragon"? If he's not super powerful, why can't the mages kill him? What does Moraine expect "the dragon" to DO when she takes him to the Dark One...if there's a 50% chance he'll join the Dark One, isn't that a big risk? The main characters all seem willing to go and die on this mission, when as a viewer I have no idea what the mission is or why any of them would care about it.
@@Springheel01 This is actually an aspect that is very similar to the books. The party themselves as well as the readers at this point in the story are very ignorant to what the Eye will hold for them and why. In the show, it seems like the main catalyst is some sort of infected dreams that Suian was convinced means one thing, and Moiraine as someone who has already been through the doorway and seen glimses of her Fate, has likely already accepted her death and is willing to sacrifice herself it it means that they could actually use the DR to defeat the DO this early. However, we know this is likely not going to be the case, as even in the books the characters aren't really sure what happens with Rand himself even saying Shai'Tan is dead
Best moment by far was Teleporting Lan. I laught so hard when is saw that. The logistics of it are absolutely bonkers. But funny nonetheless... that's the only realy good thing about this show...its good to laugh at.
I legitimately thought it was some face-stealing Shadowspawn or something they come up with at first.
*teleports behind u*
The irony being that the Batman-teleport is the only thing he's done all series that is even remotely close to being in character. Like literally the only thing to imply that he's more than just a ranger/fighter.
@@zappodude7591 "Nothing personal kid"
Especially since they have done nothing to emphasize that Lan is supposed to be good at stealth or anything, and they axed the color shifting cloaks.
Re Perrin crushing on Eg: this is a case of the showrunners taking something that does in fact happen in the books, albeit in an embryonic and very chivalrous (and temporary) way, and twisting it around to be the worst reflection possible on Perrin.
Thank you!
I disagree... I think it remains chivalrous but it shows Nynaeve projecting her own drama with Moiraine and Lan onto the boys' interaction.
Perrin basically stands up to defend Eg's honor as a friend, then Nynaeve says something completely off base for their conflict but more telling about her own headspace.
I think they play into her statement a bit, but dismiss it ultimately.
Sorry if you mentioned this already but one major difference is that in the books it is the dragon who is supposed to die fighting the dark one.
Man, Perrin's a real lady killer in the show huh
In the book, Agelmar is trying to convince Moraine to allow him to send a thousand soldiers with her and Moraine rejects the help and tells Agelmar that it will be the 3 Tyveren boys that fight the Dark One at the Eye of the World because anyone else who tries to fight the dark one will be killed. Agelmar is stunned that 3 boys with no fighting skills are who they are being forced to put all their hopes in. She says the whole party will be going because they are so tightly bound around the 3 Tyveren that it is plain Nyneave and Egwene must go. So Agelmar ends up accepting the Aes Sedai's instruction and gives her 20 soldiers to at least escort the party to the edge of the Blight.
Agelmar's original reception was so much better dramatically than the pompous thing we got in the show. Moiraine and Rand have a real cornelian choice. Drama!
Btw I love that your wife joined in on this review! Really informative and another perspective!
Run! It's Machin Shin! The Woke Wind! Truth Bomb. Truth Bomb. Truth Bomb.
I’d suffer the last episode for a livestream.
About damn time. 😂 Been checking for two days.
Love Shad’s wife correcting him on what happened in the books so the chat doesn’t have to.
I had to leave after an hour or so, any errors after then are not my fault! Lol!
Props to you guys for keeping up with the show. I can't even stand watching it for few minutes and close it everytime I've tried.
"Remove everything that has no relevance to the story. If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there." - That's Chekhov's gun.
I think it's a little too simplistic to be applied in every situation - there are a lot of good reasons to note a gun hanging on the wall that don't require it to be fired - but overall it's a good rule to follow.
My biggest gripe about the Blood Snow opening isn't even the pregnant fighting or the lowered veil or anything else people are complaining about...
It's that the scene has been shifted to feature Tigraine instead of Tam. The books say nothing about Tigraine being a dominant warrior (she isn't even aiel... She's just been a maiden for about 6 years). This scene is actually about how Tam, a foreigner and a Blademaster comes across this baby in the snow and basically gives up the sword to raise the baby of his fallen enemy. It's an extremely noble moment and it's stripped of him so that we can get a YASSSS QUEEN moment for Tigraine, who is not a hero and was violating both ji'e'toh and Maiden codes to fight. Plus the Aiel are the aggressors in this battle.
If they're gonna do the fight I agree with Shads take... Have Tam and his soldiers cut down some other maidens (though they'll get a couple because they're good fighters too) ...
Also to Shad's point... Attacking a pregnant woman? If you've never seen the movie Children of Men... There is an amazing single shot sequence where a battle comes to a screeching halt as a baby is escorted out of the battle area. Both sides just stop fighting and give way. It's powerful as hell.
1) Tam is revealed as a soldier who showed her mercy and took care of her son after she died. I think that's plenty admirable. 2) It's not just about Tigraine. Up to this point, nobody's actually seen a living Aiel warrior. Tigraine doesn't just represent women, she represents our first glimpse of an Aiel. If a female, pregnant, in-labor Aiel is that deadly, it stands to reason that a man or woman not so encumbered would be even deadlier. Tigraine just made the Aiel look incredible. It also, as I've pointed out elsewhere, justifies how the hell somebody would let her out here while pregnant. She's just that good.
As for attacking a pregnant woman? First, let's understand that to the other cultures of the Westlands, Aiel are considered savages, and so her being pregnant might not be as discouraging to an opponent as it would be if they were dealing with a woman from the Westlands proper. Second, and most importantly, the reason in Children of Men that EVERBODY just freezes in reverence is that they're carrying the first baby born in years. But this is a savage Aiel. Part of the suspense for Book readers is seeing just how unlikely Rand's birth was. The stab wound is particularly hair-raising.
This show is not a literal translation. But many of the best adaptions aren't literal.
@@Highbrowser Tigraine isn't even Aiel, mate. And there are far more realistic ways of showing how badass the Aiel are without going way beyond realism; a woman in labor isn't going to be on their feet fighting, Aiel or not.
Saying "Many of the best adaptations aren't literal" doesn't justify bad writing.
@@Highbrowser what are some “best adaptations” that were not literal?
Not everyone is so kind to pregnant women.
It's very Old Testament to defeat an enemy nation, find their pregnant women, cut them open, and rip out their children and kill them.
Juat like the Black Ajah's Vileness is very much in line with the Herod's Massacre of the Innocents.
My biggest problem, as someone who doesn't know the books, was that I had no idea who any of these people were, or how they related to any other character. It was like the cold open with the Seat woman...we spend a solid five minutes on a character without any context at all. We don't know whether it's the present or the past, or where this is, or who any of the people are. Just that this woman is some kind of Wonder Woman character.
I mean, Mat and Rand did steal chicken eggs and milk from farmer's on the way to Camelyn...
DEBUNKED!! 😞
In the book Two Rivers women would never just sleep around because they were in charge. They believe men need a strong woman to keep the man in line, and so a man would have to prove his love for only her, and the parents would have set up promising themselves to each other. This all was done before the women's circle. Nyneave would have separated a man's head from his shoulders if he slept with some woman not being married.
this is Facts!!!!
Well Shad you know that hard labor pays of at the end. Thanks for still doing this even on the brink of madness
1:20:01 Shad, in The Great Hunt Rand was able to hold back Machin Shin by channeling balefire into the way gate. He held it back long enough for the way to be closed, but it was only because the opening was narrow enough that he could just balefire flamethrower his power to destroy anything that tried to poke out. The idea of an untrained person holding back that force in the ways is more than a stretch. Its insane.
Rand was untrained in TGH....and didn't know balefire yet...lol.
What balefire in The Great Hunt are you talking about? Correct me if I'm wrong, he learns it in book 3.
@@fudgyvmp3961 Balefire is something that is both learned and instinctive. Both Rand and Nyeave use balefire in the great hunt instinctively. It isn't until much later that they learn to actively use it on purpose. Also I think you need to rethink your logic if you think holding a bottleneck is the same as stopping a force that is surrounding you. Rand had to hold a single space about the size of an Ogier, Nyeave created a giant bubble covering the entire group.
@@TheSilverOrn Rand first uses balefire in TDR on dark hounds, not machin shin. Nyneave also first uses it in TDR, but on Fades.
@@fudgyvmp3961 The way its described in the books it appears that Rand is using balefire against Machin Shin, in addition in that same book when the three ladies are captured and three Fade come to claim them, Elayne and Egwene both use fire to burn fades while Nyeave sends out a bar of balefire and all three of them have no clue what that just was except that the Fade vanishes without a trace. It was when the Aiel rescued them and the woman Nyeave saved dies from a Fade sword.
I jotted down my thoughts as I rewatched this episode:
- Theatrical fights in cold open, humans don’t fight like this.
- Of course the pregnant woman warrior takes down more dudes than everyone else combined this season (don’t have a problem with this normally but coupled with other instances of this I can’t help but mention it).
- Assassinating Mat’s character for no reason now…don’t see why we need to do that.
- Bullshit love triangle trash, my favorite thing about EotW is the fact that Perrin and Egwene cared for each other very much in a platonic manner and always admired that Jordan never tried to push any of the dumbass love triangle shit but I guess that’s gone now…there goes most of Perrin’s character.
- Dumbass theatrical garbage in Fal Dara, no human walks into a room like that.
- Agelmar is an idiot now i guess
- Continue to shit on Mat’s character because why not
- You have to change Min’s viewings ofc
- No Min visions for Mat I guess
- If that’s the actual meaning to Min’s Moiraine viewing then that’s retarded
- Egwene’s character finally comes through but in a crazy cringy love triangle scene
- Moiraine Lan backstory tease scene wasn’t terrible…but was dullest possible scenario
- Lan is a creep
- Family very happy to have Lan for dinner, Lan disappears from table mid-dinner, family continue meal like he never existed and are very surprised to see him back as if he never was there before.
- Lan’s shit with Kids….and he has attended a session about consent for sure.
-De-aging software used on Tam?
- Min saw a movie in her viewing of Tam?
- Perrin does one of there “pretend to knock the door after you’ve already been seen walking in”
- Not gonna get closure on Perrin’s feelings for Egwene? Purpose fulfilled and cheap drama achieved I guess
Overall wasn’t the worst episode considering it comes after a couple of garbage episodes but when averaged out with the rest of the season I think we’re sitting at a 4/10 adaptation of WoT and a 6/10 TV show at best.
Been waiting for this!