Wheel of time SEASON 2 leak PROVES it will be AWFUL!

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 779

  • @RespectTheSourceMaterial
    @RespectTheSourceMaterial 2 роки тому +445

    Please keep talking about wheel of time. Not a lot of youtubers picked up on the tv series and we need someone to defend Jordan just like there are people that defend Tolkien against amazon. Keep up the good work.

    • @childrenoftolkien
      @childrenoftolkien 2 роки тому +22

      Brandon should have. He failed and took the money to shut up. Guess not all mormans have honor.

    • @RespectTheSourceMaterial
      @RespectTheSourceMaterial 2 роки тому +19

      @@childrenoftolkien I was so disappointed with him. The least he could do was stay silent after the show but he couldn't even do that. Something tells me that he'll be a million times more careful with his own series, at the end of the day this was just an opportunity for him to make connections in Hollywood and nothing more.

    • @zachrabun7161
      @zachrabun7161 2 роки тому +26

      The good news is that the main reason so few people cover Wheel of Prime stuff is because the show is having virtually no impact on the culture. This show will fade away into obscurity and we can all happily forget about it. In the mean time though, watching the Knights Watch talk about it is far more entertaining than the show.

    • @RespectTheSourceMaterial
      @RespectTheSourceMaterial 2 роки тому +3

      @@zachrabun7161 100%

    • @lelpe1888
      @lelpe1888 2 роки тому

      Vi TV

  • @adc1222
    @adc1222 2 роки тому +248

    I love the fact that the two of you doing the lines were actually so much closer in appearance to the books' descriptions of Perrin and Aviendha than the show's casting was

    • @ealtar
      @ealtar 2 роки тому +16

      and they are on par with the tv show's ..."talent"

    • @shanejarry1978
      @shanejarry1978 2 роки тому +1

      Accurate.

    • @Clayaxe1
      @Clayaxe1 2 роки тому +21

      I was Gonna Say. Oz wouldn't be my first casting choice for Perrin, but damn if he doesn't fit the bill better than the show.

  • @corasmith5293
    @corasmith5293 2 роки тому +103

    I loved the quote "Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain." To the point that I put it on my high school graduation cap

  • @reader5562
    @reader5562 2 роки тому +165

    "You don't swing the sword badly?" This is all time worst choice of a line so far. The Aiel always refer to fighting as "dancing", usually Dancing the Spears. Gaul's line was something along the line of "You dance well for a wetlander." Think about how much information you get about Aiel culture with just such a short line versus that thing about a sword. Also, Perrin never uses a sword in the entirety of the series, closest he comes is dual wielding hammer and belt knife, but when he first met Gaul he was using his Axe. We're far beyond poor adaptation and well into actively and intentionally wrong.

    • @thatnobodyguy1535
      @thatnobodyguy1535 2 роки тому +23

      Adding to that it's explained that Aiel hate swords & further on why they do. An Aiel would NEVER say that. It literally breaks their customs and beliefs.

    • @johnthomas2485
      @johnthomas2485 2 роки тому +9

      Cultural Vandalism

    • @matthewklick8475
      @matthewklick8475 2 роки тому +3

      I came to the comments for this, it should be a comment about how he dances well, with his confusion allowing for more cultural expansion

    • @thunberbolttwo3953
      @thunberbolttwo3953 2 роки тому +8

      @@thatnobodyguy1535 Aiel will never even hold a sword. The closet thing they will do. Is wrap a sword in a blanket. Then hold that. Thats what they did with Lamans sword.

    • @theguyfromsaturn
      @theguyfromsaturn 2 роки тому +6

      Yeah. I couldn't finish the first episode. It was obvious where it was headed. Having him married early on, and now introducing Avienda this way means no Fail too. It's funny, because Faile is the one character in the books that "revolts" against gender roles and would have been an obvious choice for them to keep.

  • @cinhh
    @cinhh 2 роки тому +121

    They removed Gaul??? That's a bad decision. He's such a cool dude; with major sidekick energy.

    • @Ushio01
      @Ushio01 2 роки тому +14

      But that means adding a man! can't do that in 2022.

    • @cinhh
      @cinhh 2 роки тому +14

      @@Ushio01 Exactly! Even worse, he had a relationship with TWO women at the SAME time. The women were going for it and it was consensual. But that means it was very likely r@pe. 🤡🤡🤡

    • @Qutut
      @Qutut 2 роки тому +13

      @@cinhh Wait till Amazon hears about Rand then.

    • @cinhh
      @cinhh 2 роки тому +17

      @@Qutut Who is this "Rand" character you speak of? Is he in the show? 🙃

    • @danieln6700
      @danieln6700 2 роки тому +8

      Gaul and perrin was a good team up. Stupid af if he's not there

  • @daniellmarsden1797
    @daniellmarsden1797 2 роки тому +66

    Maiden's Kiss has a group of Aiel maidens of the spear all put their spears to the man's neck, then take turns kissing him. After each kiss, if they are unsatisfied with the man's performance then they move the spear blade closer to his neck. How much he bleeds depends on how good a kisser he is. So not for the faint of heart or sane of mind. Usually a group of maidens will ambush or trick a man into playing. Matt is one of the very few that actually volunteered, though he didn't know what hew was getting into.

    • @tiagodagostini
      @tiagodagostini 2 роки тому +5

      Well Matt is too powerful to be defeated in such a game.

  • @MrFallenone
    @MrFallenone 2 роки тому +90

    Wait Perin DOES NOT USE A SWORD! He has an Axe! The Axe is important to his character!

    • @ashtonpalmer5035
      @ashtonpalmer5035 2 роки тому +1

      Yes, when does he ever pick up an axe? Also where is Faile as he is having this conversation.

    • @GuitarsAndSynths
      @GuitarsAndSynths 2 роки тому

      and later a hammer!

    • @psychictampon
      @psychictampon 2 роки тому +1

      donno man, i bet they rewrite it so perrin gets with avienda. seems consistent with the rest of the TV lore.

  • @davidnonya7359
    @davidnonya7359 2 роки тому +106

    wow wasnt expecting claudia doing some acting!! the scenes with claudia 10 out of 10! better than anything amaozn ever produced

  • @thatnobodyguy1535
    @thatnobodyguy1535 2 роки тому +68

    The destruction or outright removal of male mentor characters for the boys is astounding to me. Where's Elyas? Where's Tam? Thom is now Kurt Cobain. Oh, and Abel is a scumbag. This hurts the story when they reappear later on as well.

    • @Gumblethebear
      @Gumblethebear 2 роки тому +6

      This show isn't going to get that far

    • @hhoi8225
      @hhoi8225 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah I doubt Abel reappears later.

    • @WalkerRileyMC
      @WalkerRileyMC Рік тому +1

      What they did to Mat and his family is just unforgivable. Abel was NOT a lecher. He was one of the most respected horse traders in the two rivers and Mat's skill with a staff, great enough to defeat two near blademasters simultaneously while recovering from being separated from the Dagger, came from Abel. Just reprehensible all around.

  • @carlsiouxfalls
    @carlsiouxfalls 2 роки тому +121

    Now I want to see Oz, Claudia and Nathan just awkwardly reading bad scripts every now and then.

  • @Mac_auley
    @Mac_auley 2 роки тому +24

    -"my water is yours" instead of "I see you"
    -"you don't swing the sword badly" instead of "you dance the spears well for a wetlander"
    -Perrin instead of Rand
    All I can do is laugh at the carnage as what I love is violated

  • @kc0dawnte
    @kc0dawnte 2 роки тому +88

    00:16:40 they do explain “Kiss the Maiden”. They surround you and give you a collar of spearheads. They then take turns kissing you. And if you kiss badly, they give them a push to “encourage you”. This was book 4 into (Matt playing with Tier Lords and describes how he nicks himself less shaving. He also did not mention the detail of the reward for winning. Though he never made it to his bed.

    • @TheFatalcrest
      @TheFatalcrest 2 роки тому +2

      ....I'm stealing that idea for my dnd game.

    • @ctrlaltdebug
      @ctrlaltdebug 2 роки тому +3

      Maiden's Kiss

    • @Flamewolf14
      @Flamewolf14 2 роки тому +1

      I thought it was maiden's kiss

    • @davidbendig961
      @davidbendig961 2 роки тому

      and he used his experience later to impress his lady.

  • @bookcloaks
    @bookcloaks 2 роки тому +37

    28:00 the Three-Fold Land line is lifted from Urien (poorly) in The Great Hunt Ch 28.
    No one would say that Aiel never left the waste because the largest geopolitical event of the last 20 years was the AIEL WAR!

    • @walkir2662
      @walkir2662 2 роки тому +4

      ad even Emondsfielders know of that, considering Tam was there. Not to mention Rand...

  • @cinhh
    @cinhh 2 роки тому +56

    I'm a vegetarian and I watch Amazon's Wheely of Thyme.
    Maybe I should clarify: I eat grass filtered through beef, and I watch everything what the Knights Watch has to say about that series. (And Disparu.) 😆

  • @luxintenebris1776
    @luxintenebris1776 2 роки тому +56

    WHY ON EARTH WOULD AVIENDHA HAVE TOH TO PERRIN?!?! I feel your rage Shad... The Wheel of Time holds a special place in my heart. My father introduced me to the books. It's my favorite series and I re-read or listen to the books usually once a year. Truly through their arrogance and pride the show runners have perpetrated an act worse than Laman's sin...

    • @FURognar
      @FURognar 2 роки тому +6

      They are probably going to get rid of Faile and have Perrin get together with Aviendha because Rand having more than one girlfriend is sexist and problematic. So Rand is either going to get with Min or Elaine and Aviendha will be Perrin's girlfriend.

    • @pedanticperson1149
      @pedanticperson1149 2 роки тому +8

      It sounds like they're changing it so that it can be incurred by someone doing something good for you (eg Perrin rescuing her), which shows they didn't pay attention to the books & concept of Ji'e'toh (I had to look up how to spell that); Toh can only really be incurred by the person (doing something shameful or creating an obligation, if someone does something honourable for you then they would gain ji.
      When Perrin rescued Gaul he didn't feel an obligation towards him, beyond that of a friend & worthy companion.

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому +4

      You watch. There will be a love triangle between Perrin, Rand and Aviendha, and no Faile.

    • @Raximus3000
      @Raximus3000 2 роки тому +4

      @@FURognar
      Well Faile was an intelligent strong willed woman in ways they cannot fathom. Ergo woman with no fighting power greater than a man bad.

    • @commenter2240
      @commenter2240 2 роки тому +2

      Perrin doesn't actually even meet Aviendha in the books, does he?
      I can't think of a single conversation they have.

  • @yashaoftheflames8475
    @yashaoftheflames8475 2 роки тому +21

    Shad: I'm angry again for the disgusting adaptation.
    **FLICKER **
    Amazon: I win again Shad

  • @cryptorcd9352
    @cryptorcd9352 2 роки тому +92

    Im glad that Oz is reading wheel of time. I feel like this conversations are much more interesting than review of season one because you guys can go back and forth more.
    Though, I wish Shad reread book 2 and 3 before season 2 so he has fresh memory of it

    • @owlsayssouth
      @owlsayssouth 2 роки тому +6

      i re-read the books in the year before the "show" came out. such a good series of books. i really wish they would stop adapting things i love into shows / movies. :(

    • @danielsaines602
      @danielsaines602 2 роки тому

      They could make content out it, and get paid to do it. It would be great, especially if it was live, and people could chat/superchat.

    • @cryptorcd9352
      @cryptorcd9352 2 роки тому

      @@owlsayssouth Agree, as harsh as it is I think this should have goten Cowboy Bebop treatment and I'm still baffled that it isnt cancelled

  • @joelcopeland3018
    @joelcopeland3018 2 роки тому +30

    It really needs to be said that this series of books places women in some of the most powerful and prominent roles in the story without these hacks having to create the trash that they are making. The women are very prominent and strong throughout the story. The series actually shows the equality and necessity of each sex and how the world must have both to survive.

    • @RogerS1978
      @RogerS1978 2 роки тому +4

      And the entire book is about young adults going out into the wide world and meeting and interacting with different cultures and becomming beter for it.

    • @RogerS1978
      @RogerS1978 2 роки тому

      @@theabhorrentchef7226 so true, you'd also think that if they were good writers & film makers you would be able to associate yourself with the characters from the film nomatter what or who they are...human, animal or even object, personification is a common human trait.

    • @RogerS1978
      @RogerS1978 2 роки тому

      @@theabhorrentchef7226 Stories have always been used to shape how people thought, teach the next generation the morals and behaviours to fit into the culture and succeed at life (being brave and killing your own personal demons). It's become like this because people know that and are using the media to shape the world into their ideals. This is especially as were seeing the effect of generations being raised by Disney and TV to believe all the 'modern' thinking. Now were seeing the rage that the world doesn't actually work like they think it should.
      For the writing I think a lot of it comes from their experiences and they wrote about what they lived or saw, now their world is so safe/controlled they stuggle to understand real fear (other than getting the wrong latte or an advocado shortage) and how people would cope with that in real life (both at the time and after).

  • @apollohateshisdayjob9606
    @apollohateshisdayjob9606 2 роки тому +49

    The term you were looking for regarding Ariel culture is "Ji'e'toh" (Honor and Obligation)
    And this seems horrible! First they introduce Thom so late hes barely a character, and now they are getting rid of Gaul and instead having Avienda show up way early and with the wrong character!?!

    • @walkir2662
      @walkir2662 2 роки тому +9

      And yes, it is dishonorable to remind someone of toh, as it implies that person is unaware of having it/too stupid to notice.

    • @Gumblethebear
      @Gumblethebear 2 роки тому +2

      I was wondering how many people were yelling that at the screen....... ji'e'toh seriously guys

  • @jameswinterbottom245
    @jameswinterbottom245 2 роки тому +34

    Shad: Says in a mournful tone "Oh I need to go back and do a deep dive into season one..." Oz: Replies with haste and confidence " I will join you in that..." Only a true friend follows you into hell! Cheers Oz, you are a true follower of Ji'e'toh. May you always find shade and water!

  • @Lou45833
    @Lou45833 2 роки тому +61

    I found your channel bc y’all were the only UA-camrs giving honest reviews of how awful this show is based on such a great book series thank you for all the laughs

    • @richross4657
      @richross4657 2 роки тому +7

      Disparu I don't know how to link channels. He has fantastic break downs of each episode

    • @Leonnie13
      @Leonnie13 2 роки тому +15

      @@thenerdyarab7622 He was very soft on his criticism. Especially for someone who ranks WoT as one of his favorite series. Particularly reviews of the earlier episodes. Seemed very shill-like.

    • @NathanSmith-ei3hc
      @NathanSmith-ei3hc 2 роки тому +3

      @@richross4657 your SO right mate, he is absolutely brilliant

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому +6

      @@Leonnie13 His earlier reviews were literally sponsored by Amazon Prime.

    • @Guardian582
      @Guardian582 2 роки тому +5

      @@TechnoMinarchist thus proving hes a shill

  • @pavelowjohn9167
    @pavelowjohn9167 2 роки тому +42

    I can't wait to see how Brandon Sanderson explains Season 2....

    • @hailberseker5387
      @hailberseker5387 2 роки тому +3

      The mental gymnastic he has to do is quite pathetic

    • @bobtower66
      @bobtower66 2 роки тому +11

      "Did the check clear....? Oh, it did. This is great!"

    • @leo88775
      @leo88775 2 роки тому

      What's Brandon Sanderson got to do with any of this?

    • @bobtower66
      @bobtower66 2 роки тому +10

      @@leo88775 he works for amazon as a consultant on the scripts as well as hosting a weekly show after each new episode talking about how great that weeks episode is.

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому +3

      @@bobtower66 And he also finished the book series.

  • @TzarBomb
    @TzarBomb 2 роки тому +41

    Wheel of time SEASON 2... holy hell!!!
    "Stop, Stop! he's already dead."
    "Look how they massacred my boy."

  • @williamowens
    @williamowens 2 роки тому +43

    You and Disparu should collaborate over wheel of time

  • @ProphetOfTheDragon
    @ProphetOfTheDragon 2 роки тому +12

    LoL no matter how many different ways these lines are presented it's always terrible!!!! I did the same thing on my channel about a week ago and I have to say my reading is Aviendha and Perrin were pretty epic too lol!!!? You guys are great keep up the good work!!!

  • @asentientraven
    @asentientraven 2 роки тому +13

    i started reading wheel of time at about after the casting video you guys did(and binge watching the episode reviews), and seeing shad's passion for the books. im now at the end of book 7 and im loving it.

  • @Gunleaver
    @Gunleaver 2 роки тому +6

    17:05 Regarding Mat's inversion, there is a shot in the show of him snapping at a kid on the road to Tar Valon, but in the books, it says that when he is falling under the influence of the dagger, kids don't set of his paranoia the way adults do, and they actually get inspired to try performing for money when a family appreciates their efforts that begin with Mat juggling to amuse the kids. It's like they went out of their way to get Mat exactly the opposite. After he got the dagger, he was the one telling Rand to trust Thom.
    Also, for the record, we do get a description of Maidens' Kiss. A group of Maidens put spearpoints to a man's neck and he has to kiss each one. She pulls back her spear, or presses it closer, depending on how well he performs.

  • @fischers_of_men
    @fischers_of_men 2 роки тому +13

    Please be a fake leak, please be a fake leak, please be a...who am I kidding. This is exactly the kind of thing they'd write.

  • @Ethereal_109
    @Ethereal_109 2 роки тому +5

    I just finished A Memory of Light. I cried every kind of tear that exists.

    • @thedragonreborn9856
      @thedragonreborn9856 2 роки тому +1

      What did you think about Matt’s trick with the river and the people from Hinderstap??

    • @Ethereal_109
      @Ethereal_109 2 роки тому +1

      @@thedragonreborn9856 That part was just hilarious. I loved it.

  • @mattpurvis9873
    @mattpurvis9873 Рік тому +2

    Hollywood and streaming services are definitely taking the quantity over quality approach. It's like a $1.99 all you can eat buffet - the food is terrible.....but there's lots of it.

  • @somedeplorable2227
    @somedeplorable2227 2 роки тому +13

    You are now required to film all 14 books plus prequel. We'll start setting up donations for the production. Maybe we can have Brandon Sanderson do a video for the gofundme.

  • @TechnoMinarchist
    @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому +22

    Only reason I watched Season 1 was because it had that car crash phenomena. It really is a shame what has been done to this franchise. Hopefully in a decade or 2 after the taint is washed away we'll have someone take a genuine crack at it.

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому +3

      Also does anyone know of any WoT subreddits that survived the purge? RIP Whitecloaks.

    • @ctrlaltdebug
      @ctrlaltdebug 2 роки тому

      The show is a giant turd festooned with member berries.

  • @tilemacro
    @tilemacro 2 роки тому +3

    When you say Wheel of time season 2.
    I get the mental image of a seanchan damane, pacifier in mouth, dancing macarena.

  • @Madcowdiseiz
    @Madcowdiseiz 2 роки тому +6

    Wouldn't it be "You dance the spears well"? Aiel frequently refer to fighting as "dancing the spears".

  • @hilken
    @hilken 2 роки тому +23

    3:32 wait, they did WHAT to Perrin? Now I'm even happier that I didn't watch this show, I barely completed the fourth book so far, but I can say that Perrin is my favorite, so I'm happy and relieved I didn't see him being destroyed character wise so badly.

    • @danieln6700
      @danieln6700 2 роки тому +1

      He can't destroyed if he has no character

    • @samuelaritan3766
      @samuelaritan3766 2 роки тому +2

      That book is one of my favorite in the series because of Perrin. Some people think there is a slog for him around book 9-10, but you’ll be fine. I think mostly that’s due to stories requiring multiple books by that point in the series and we all had to wait years in between releases.

  • @angryman2406
    @angryman2406 2 роки тому +6

    Oh Oz, my boy, you are getting into the good stuff! I envy you of the joy of a first time read through. Great video as always, gents and lady, keep it up!

  • @ScorpioNick
    @ScorpioNick 2 роки тому +8

    An Aiel wouldn't commend the use of a sword; she might say "you dance well for a wetlander". I desperately held out hope for this show until about episode 5. Why would they deliberately choose to work on something they obviously detest?

  • @tommoody728
    @tommoody728 2 роки тому +11

    I’m reading the books (only on book 3 so far), and I am not going to watch any more of the show, it just spoils what I’m imagining as I’m reading.

  • @earnestbrown6524
    @earnestbrown6524 2 роки тому +4

    Love seeing Oz enjoy reading them for the first time. You guys make me want to reread the books again.

  • @ViperChief117
    @ViperChief117 2 роки тому +35

    Given the fact that Amazon is pushing their political ideologies in LOTR. I’m not surprised if they are going to ruin season 2 of Wheel or Time. Lol

    • @scbask2
      @scbask2 2 роки тому +10

      Im not surprised they are going to ruin season 2 after ruining season 1.

  • @liberTvalance
    @liberTvalance Рік тому +2

    I've finally seen some clips of the girl playing Aviendha and wow... they missed that casting bad. They are going to screw up the Aiel just as bad as I feared. They just don't understand the books.

  • @BazzFreeman
    @BazzFreeman 2 роки тому +5

    Je'i'toh breaks down as Je is honor you accrue through actions. Killling an armed enemy, slaying a huge beast for eg. Toh is the honor you owe to someone else. And only YOU know how much Toh you owe. It's up to YOU do determine how to meet your Toh. It's all about personal responsibility which is something the writers lack.

  • @nathanhartswick9955
    @nathanhartswick9955 2 роки тому +8

    Love your content fellas!

  • @starwarsbros1893
    @starwarsbros1893 2 роки тому +5

    Shad thanks to you and Friends I have been listening to Wheel of Time and just started book 5. It is Incredible.

  • @Flamewolf14
    @Flamewolf14 2 роки тому +1

    I started listening to wheel of time on audible when you made the first video on the show and now I am on book 11 loving it

  • @TchHry
    @TchHry 2 роки тому +3

    1 second in, just nose snorting.
    Sums up my feelings on seeing my favorite fantasies being destroyed.

  • @Neutral_Tired
    @Neutral_Tired 2 роки тому +12

    "Death comes to us all; we can only choose how to face it when it comes." is from The Dragon Reborn, that feels too early for it to be an Aeil line, they appear in that book but in a relatively small role, I think it probably is a Lan line

    • @LongtopGaming
      @LongtopGaming 2 роки тому +1

      I think it is the Aiel after they (spoilers) help rescue the wonder girls from the fades after being kidnapped

    • @ehellstrom7127
      @ehellstrom7127 2 роки тому +2

      @@LongtopGaming Yes. I'm pretty certain it was Rhuarc saying that to Nynaeve.

    • @matthewblankenzee5452
      @matthewblankenzee5452 2 роки тому +2

      @@ehellstrom7127 Actually, I think it was Aviendha who says it and it's about the Maiden of the Spear that she heals earlier that just died.

    • @ctrlaltdebug
      @ctrlaltdebug 2 роки тому

      Wash the spears,
      who fears to die?
      No one I know

  • @haku8135
    @haku8135 2 роки тому +4

    "Ah, Perrin, you're not bad with a sword"
    ........PERRIN HAS NEVER HELD A SWORD IN HIS GOD DAMNED LIFE!
    RAND IS THE GUY WITH A SWORD!
    PERRIN USES AN AXE OR A HAMMER!
    THAT IS HIS ENTIRE THING CHOOSING BETWEEN THE HAMMER AND THE AXE!
    HE DOESN'T USE A SWORD! PERRIN HAS NEVER USED A SWORD! WHY IS HE SWINGING A SWORD AROUND? WHERE THE HELL DID HE GET A SWORD? WHERE'S HIS AXE!?
    AND WHY IS HE GOOD AT USING ONE WHEN HE'S NEVER USED A SWORD BEFORE!?

  • @tomsawyerpiper9412
    @tomsawyerpiper9412 2 роки тому +6

    The artistic mutilation of Robert Jordan’s beautiful literary work is physically repulsive.
    I have been told that I should attempt writing, but if this is the fate of what I may create, I’d rather my stories die with me.

  • @nikosnikos5082
    @nikosnikos5082 Рік тому +3

    the only thing you got wrong is that they "didn't punish people physically", egwene's backside has something to say to that

  • @bookcloaks
    @bookcloaks 2 роки тому +5

    34:00 The Sin is another Urien line lifted from TGH, but memory of the sin is granted to Clan Chiefs and Wise Ones. But it was so bad, they will not speak of it.

  • @parkerbettinson2797
    @parkerbettinson2797 2 роки тому +1

    You guys talking about Wheel of Time makes me feel like I need to go back and read it again.
    It is a HUGE commitment though

  • @thatnobodyguy1535
    @thatnobodyguy1535 2 роки тому +7

    Shad's right this scene is a rip off of Perrin rescuing Ghaul. He says something like "You dance the spears well Wetlander." Ghaul, Bain, & Chiad are Perrin's main Aiel connected characters. He barely interacts with Avienda at all.

  • @zeorhymer6
    @zeorhymer6 2 роки тому +5

    They don’t want to pay the author. Jangle keys for the initial viewing, then swap everyone out and call it their own.

    • @danielsaines602
      @danielsaines602 2 роки тому

      They already paid for it. They aren't being cheap on royalties, just cheap on writing staff.

  • @Gunleaver
    @Gunleaver 2 роки тому +2

    Jordan often sets up information for characters, by having it come up through DIFFERENT characters. For instance, Moiraine describes the symptoms of spontaneous channeling to Nynaeve, and readers who are paying attention will notice those same things happening in Rand's plotline. Or Gaul talking with Perrin in Book 4, gives a kind of alternate regular Aiel-on-the-street perspective of their Prophecies coming true, at the same time as Rand is fulfilling them. That's the kind of thing no one would say to Rand, of course.

  • @SamanthaBoooooooo
    @SamanthaBoooooooo 2 роки тому +16

    Rand & Matt learning gleeman skills and traveling together is my favorite part of the first 3 books (only on book 3 so far). The traveling magicians part of Dragonlance is great, they can't leave the traveling part out 😔

  • @ceannRuadh
    @ceannRuadh 2 роки тому +1

    Your WoT videos are my favorites. Keep them coming! Back in high school I read through book 10, then fizzled out. I started re-reading to cleanse my palate when the amazon series came out and just caught up to the point where I stopped before, so I'm hungry for all the WoT discussion right now.

  • @CharlesUrban
    @CharlesUrban 2 роки тому +2

    "We have committed a grave sin...one that shall echo across the generations."
    "My goodness. What did you do?"
    "Hell if I know."

  • @brycesagner4497
    @brycesagner4497 2 роки тому +7

    Are you really surprised? Of course they would double down and think their poo smells like roses. Also can you guys do more skits? Better than SNL.

  • @ShieldWife
    @ShieldWife 2 роки тому +8

    I like Oz and Claudia more than the show’s casting.

  • @bookcloaks
    @bookcloaks 2 роки тому +4

    55:00 it is dishonourable to remind an Aiel of Toh that has been MET. After Toh is met, it is like it never happened.

  • @Dragonsedaii
    @Dragonsedaii 2 роки тому +5

    I stopped thinking of the show as wheel of time after ep.3. I watch all of your reviews/previews for a good laugh at the hubris and arrogance of the showrunners/writers. Keep it up!

  • @jacobstevens7548
    @jacobstevens7548 2 роки тому

    I had been on the fence about watching season 2. Thanks for bringing this up so my decision can be more informed.

  • @trybane1
    @trybane1 2 роки тому +3

    There is an example of the Aiel beating as punishment. To avoid spoilers, remember what happened with Egwene right before she returned to the Tower.

    • @Madcowdiseiz
      @Madcowdiseiz 2 роки тому +1

      A beating also takes place after a certain redhead leaves his maidens behind, again.

    • @trybane1
      @trybane1 2 роки тому +1

      @@Madcowdiseiz bwahaha, I remember that XD

  • @schwaaard
    @schwaaard 2 роки тому +8

    I know GoT didn’t pay attention to its props, but the water bottle in this scene really ruined the immersion for me. Otherwise it had the same production values as anything Disney has crapped out in the past two years.

  • @stevebohn4439
    @stevebohn4439 2 роки тому +5

    I will steal the "raffed" adjective. I believe Ghual tells Perrin after he is freed that Perrin dances the spears well. Also Matt does tell us what maidens kiss or kiss the spears is.
    Egwene's toh to the wise women was to kneel in front of them and be whipped. Granted she was in a rush to leave and didn't have time for more.

  • @danielsaines602
    @danielsaines602 2 роки тому +5

    Knights Watch should do a live show talking about the WoT books as OZ reads them, and Shad/red Sonya re-reads. It would make great content! I love seeing people on their journey through the series. I'd love to see Oz theory craft about the future books. I'd love to see what Shad pick up on that he missed previously. Like how I've been reading since 2008, and only this year realised why Elaine keeps getting her veil in her mouth. It's because she turns her nose up at everyone lmao.
    It also means people would PAY YOU TO READ WOT! How sweet a deal is that?

    • @walkir2662
      @walkir2662 2 роки тому +2

      Am currently watching a weekly series of people who like th3 show reading the books. They still like the show, for some reason, dspite now having started Fires of Heaven.
      I woulc much prefer a reread through with teh Watch discussing this.

  • @MrSquigglies
    @MrSquigglies 2 роки тому +10

    Listened to the books and never finished the first season.
    I wouldn’t call it my favorite series but it was fun, didn’t like how abrupt the ending was in the books.

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому

      To each their own. I really liked the abrupt ending. It left me feeling shellshocked in a kind of appreciation for what I just read for like a week.

    • @gravyjones9746
      @gravyjones9746 2 роки тому +2

      abrupt?
      I mean the series is anything but abrupt lmfao

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому

      @@gravyjones9746 Think they're talking about the lack of any sort of lengthy epilogue that is imo all too common in epic fantasy.

    • @Alex_Fahey
      @Alex_Fahey 2 роки тому

      @@TechnoMinarchist It is common because the return is an integral part of epics. If you don't return to home AND bring back the new information AND use it to fix the common everyday problems, then the story lacks a major segment of the epic structure. The hobbits need to go back to the Shire after the One Ring is destroyed you can't end the story the instant the eagles show up. The hobbits need to stop the Scouring of the Shire, Sam needs to get married, Frodo needs to say goodbye and go to the undying lands, et cetera. Odysseus needs to return to his kingdom and compete in the competition. Ending it as soon as he reaches Greek land misses that return.
      Solving the major conflict leads into the return which should have a emotional send-off with the same hooking power (and likely length) as the introduction to the major conflict.
      Now, not everything has to follow the epic structure to absolute adherence, but there's a reason epic fantasy usually follows that structure.

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 2 роки тому

      @@Alex_Fahey It works in some stories. I feel like WoT ended appropriately.

  • @demoulius1529
    @demoulius1529 2 роки тому +5

    Hearing you guys talk about the book series really makes me want to read them. I havent read a good fantasy book in ages...

    • @demoulius1529
      @demoulius1529 2 роки тому +1

      @The Witch King of Angmar I think I will :) il see if my local bookstore sells it.

    • @dariovirga7711
      @dariovirga7711 Рік тому

      Worked for me. Too bad I only have the first 6 books... 😢

  • @mz5457
    @mz5457 2 роки тому

    I can't applaud you enough for your work and thoughts! Please don't ever stop
    (Shad - I just bought your book 🤓👌
    Can't wait to finally read ANOTHER well built story again. 🤗)

  • @nathanhartswick9955
    @nathanhartswick9955 2 роки тому +11

    I was sooo excited for this show and it turned to sooo much disappointment.

  • @JonasGrumby-OO
    @JonasGrumby-OO 2 роки тому +5

    If there was ever any doubt, and there wasn’t, but this is the straw. I’ll be watching you guys and Disparu. Not one single stream to feed the beast that created this travesty.

  • @AcmeWingbaby
    @AcmeWingbaby 2 роки тому +8

    On one hand; I hate hearing about the show, as I find it extremely depressing and I don’t want to support it in any way. But on the other; It needs to be talked about. It can’t be left to those people who only care about their agenda, and are willing to throw away logic and reality for it. I just hate that WoT is on their sacrificial altar.

  • @EndlessMystify
    @EndlessMystify 2 роки тому +1

    This, I have been looking forward to.

  • @MrFallenone
    @MrFallenone 2 роки тому +7

    I am grateful to the show for pushing you to make videos and encourage me to get into the books.
    Currently on Book 11, there is some bloat for sure but the boring parts are not long enough to make me give up on the story unlike GoT books did.
    I cant really pick a favourite character but Perins story is the most dissapointing to me after the Two Rivers arc.

    • @ygkemosabi8280
      @ygkemosabi8280 2 роки тому

      you think there is so much bloat in the got books that you gave up..... where?

    • @7slavok
      @7slavok 2 роки тому

      Perrin was so awesome in book four that he took book five off completely. The love triangle with whatsherface (not his wife, the other woman who would never take a hint) was completely unnecessary and dragged on forever, but his character arc ended (spoiler warning) perfectly.

  • @Trigm
    @Trigm 2 роки тому +2

    I will note that Egwene gets "beaten" for lying about being an Aes Sedai to repay her Toh, as she is leaving the next morning. I don't know what book it is though.

  • @0Sutekinaryuu0
    @0Sutekinaryuu0 2 роки тому +8

    lol i totally thought when you mentioned the representation you would have Nathan play the woman character and then have Claudia still there but as Perrin x3

  • @johnnydollar579
    @johnnydollar579 2 роки тому +5

    what you describe they did to Pern makes me physically angry. 😡 also the guy that got to play Matt was way too good looking to be him.

  • @darkholy44
    @darkholy44 2 роки тому

    I found your channel after I started watching Wheel of Time and heard how fans were upset with the changes. I enjoyed your breakdown of the differences in each episode and you convinced me to start the book series for myself. I am listening to Eye of the World on Audible and am almost to the "But my son!" part. Keep up the great work.

  • @rotpar757
    @rotpar757 2 роки тому +3

    Oh God, WoT still exists? They didn't cancel it and forget it was ever done in the first place? I made it to book four, giving me enough knowledge to know how mangled the show is, and then abandoned the series.

  • @SevPlays
    @SevPlays 2 роки тому +1

    Next month: Brandon Sanderson blinks T-O-R-T-U-R-E in morse code as he announces again that Amazon has super duper not ever forced any NDA agreements on him!

    • @Nyet-Zdyes
      @Nyet-Zdyes 2 роки тому

      ... while also complimenting Rafe Judkins' writing skills, and how good the show is.
      I'll never again trust anything he says.

  • @EnsignRedshirtRicky
    @EnsignRedshirtRicky 2 роки тому +3

    I just hit the half-way point of Book 5 and seriously want to know why the people doing this to the material have not been **put to the question** yet...

  • @davidplowman6149
    @davidplowman6149 2 роки тому +5

    I’m still not sure whether it’ll turn into a porno or a soap opera. Probably soap opera since so many of the characters are ugly. Also, I’m beginning to think Rafe Judkins doesn’t know what he’s doing unless what he’s doing is ‘just make something.’

    • @RiylanCorma
      @RiylanCorma 2 роки тому

      Why not both? But yeah, definitely a soap opera.

  • @stephenmaloney7419
    @stephenmaloney7419 2 роки тому +1

    "you dance the spears well, Perrin Aybara, for a wetlander"

  • @thunderspear2251
    @thunderspear2251 2 роки тому +3

    Mad Shad is back, watch out lad!

  • @bryansuminski7543
    @bryansuminski7543 2 роки тому

    You're season 1 reviews actually got me to listen to the audio books and I FU@KIN LOVE IT!! I'm on book 8 and listening to it while I'm at work. And I'm planning on getting the full hard cover set then I have half a grand to spend.

  • @childrenoftolkien
    @childrenoftolkien 2 роки тому +5

    They had to get rid of Perrin's "toxic" masculinity
    If I can turn the phrase they felt like they had to save Perrin and make him better by ridding the toxicity from him.
    They are definitely doing the scene better than Amazon but crazy how bad the writing is.

    • @ardendragoon
      @ardendragoon 2 роки тому

      They failed miserably. There is nothing more toxic than a male feminist that kills this wife.

  • @fionnaitsradag5152
    @fionnaitsradag5152 2 роки тому +2

    Now I want to see an entire episode of Oz and Claudia dramatizing this show. XD

  • @jackrose6996
    @jackrose6996 2 роки тому

    "How to write an Aiel when you don't understand the Aiel", performed exceptionally. Outstanding.

  • @TonyBIndie
    @TonyBIndie 2 роки тому +2

    On the recasting thing. has anyone else noticed how specifically Red heads area always getting recast as people of African descent? Why always the redheads?

  • @davidbendig961
    @davidbendig961 2 роки тому +1

    if wheel of Time (the Book) was a Gucci bag and they where openly trying to to sell a ripped to shreds peace of plastic (the show) as that bag how long would it take to see the rightful end of this product piracy?

  • @FF-tp7qs
    @FF-tp7qs 2 роки тому +1

    I really loved the books and couldn't put them down when I read them.
    Couldn't stand reading about Faile though.

  • @samuelaritan3766
    @samuelaritan3766 2 роки тому

    I tried looking into articles on this and on God the first response to this I found was another variation of, “why it’s a good thing.”

  • @mak2-j6d
    @mak2-j6d 2 роки тому +3

    6:26 le epic fart sound fitting for a shit show such as Wheel of time.

  • @hammerofscience534
    @hammerofscience534 2 роки тому +16

    I'm calling it now Rand will only be in at most half the season. It will completely focus on the women, and they will somehow find a way to take away more of Rands agency.
    Looks like they are ignoring Perrins arc completely and he will be our PoV character in the waste.
    So sad it's going to be a massive dumpster fire.

    • @ryanhorne5379
      @ryanhorne5379 2 роки тому +2

      Which is interesting in how women already have such a strong role in this series.

    • @GuitarsAndSynths
      @GuitarsAndSynths 2 роки тому

      @@ryanhorne5379 correct no need to remove the men

  • @dinkleberg684
    @dinkleberg684 2 роки тому +1

    Oz doesn’t make his argument badly

  • @fighterpilot0700
    @fighterpilot0700 2 роки тому +1

    So... what I'm hearing about the Wheel of Time... is just read it. Reject the show, become the books!

  • @dwavenminer
    @dwavenminer 2 роки тому +4

    5:25 😂
    hmmm, maybe be should get the knights watch to redo the entire show themselves...

  • @PeytonOver
    @PeytonOver 2 роки тому

    That scene transition was something else my guy. I had to stop driving and laugh

  • @Flamewolf14
    @Flamewolf14 2 роки тому

    The dialog and writing gives me the vibe of a drunk person explaining wheel of time to someone