Let's be perfectly honest, what Min is in the TV show now is a DARKFRIEND and not just any darkfriend, one of the upper echelon, she interacted with Ishamael in full knowledge of who he is and took a deal with him....
I'm so happy that I started watching FNT, RealBBC, Disparu and the KnightsWatch! they have save me so much money from canceling my steaming subs after getting the reviews from them! I ufortunetly didn't trust UA-cam reviewers before! Not untill after watching Rings of power and realizing that I could get warned earlier! Oops! Not that I trust all of them and sometimes I still want to watch somethings!
Mat in 3 chapters of the book: Defeats two talented swordsmen with a staff Gets filthy rich in a single night Survives a lethal drop by using an assailant to break his fall Reunites with Thom and leaves the city Mat in the show: Sits down Sits down Sits down while drinking Sits down while drinking in a pub The book parts aren't cherry picked, they're both about Mat waking up at the Tower and leaving. Show Mat spent three episodes (plus six months in-world) doing less than book Mat did in his first chapter (after a few weeks at most). Also, if Rand wants to avoid sleeping with ancient, evil witches then maybe he shouldn't shack up with random women he knows nothing about. Seriously, he knows literally nothing about Selene but he "loves" her.
Yup not just any swordsmen either but Elayne’s 2 brothers the Princes training with Warders at the Tower. Have you noticed they’ve cut the Princes completely from the tv show?
@@caren6310 Galad is supposed to be EXTREMELY talented too. He's almost a Blademaster in skill! And Mat wipes the floor with BOTH of them at the same time. The instructor then tells a story, I'll abridge it greatly "Who brought down this incredibly skilled swordsman? A farmboy with a quaterstaff." The lesson is basically "His stick is longer idiot, it's a bad match, don't try to swordfight him, you'll obviously loose cause he's cheating." A very important lesson to learn. Yeah looks like they've been cut from the show so far. Which, they're both pretty damn important, so.... Oh what does it matter, they so RARELY even consider the books.
@@haku8135 It's not "you'll obviously lose because he's cheating" and more "you'll obviously lose because he has a huge advantage over you in this situation you're deciding to attack him in".
Lan is dead… he died charging into the blight as the bond was severed. Show Lan crumpled to a ball and killed himself like Stefan did at the death of his Aes Sedai. This isn’t Lan.
The assassination of Lan’s character is beyond the pale, pail, or both. The casting, atrocious. His portrayal, an abomination. They’ve done this to everyone to varying degrees but Lan should’ve been so damn simple to get right - had they been trying. Instead they smeared him. Just like bringing Dexter new blood just to run our guy through the mud. And from this review I think it was I hear that Matt has left tar valon without the night of gambling wonders. One of the few times in cinema that a montage could’ve been appropriate and awesome. Something like Fear and Loathing mixed with Snatch mixed with Lord of the rings.
Well if getting stabbed in the heart with a dagger from Shadar Logoth isn't enough to kill Loial then why would a mere flesh wound like that effect Lanfear?
Because good woman in the insane mind of the show runners, are women who don't respect men. Haven't you watched the show or missed what feminism has become in at least the last ten years?
@@justinreid6718 Given how men are viewed/treated as incompetent, weak and useless in general within the TV series - and the "good guy" protagonist characters (Aes Sedai, the Emon's Field girls) all model this behaviour, OP is pointing out that a character who treats men as equals/with respect must therefore be an evil character - they're acting in opposition to the heroes. I'm a woman who's read the books and am thoroughly disgusted by how they've torn down the carefully built nuance Jordan wrote for men & women in the books - how they both have strengths and weaknesses, how they are at their best when working together. This show is utter garbage in message, execution, writing, direction... Everything.
Gary! Good to see ya, thanks for watching this mess of a show. Glad to get your feedback with Shad. There have been twelve episodes and the men still haven’t done anything…they are all separated too, they should be hunting the horn and the dagger together. The White Tower should have been introduced along with the Amyrlin Seat episode 1 in Fal Dara…but Rand isn’t there, Mat isn’t there, and Agelmar is dead…Rand doesn’t find the poem on the dungeon wall, or smear the other message that was specifically for him. Rand - An orderly who has done nothing. Doesn’t reject Selene, hasn’t been taught the sword by Lan, didn’t go to Caemlyn, wasn’t orchestrated to be a lord by Moiraine to start his journey of being what people expect the dragon to be, and to fulfill prophesies. Perrin - just learned Hopper’s name and is carrying a sword instead of an Axe…all things that should have been done in the whitecloak episode of season 1. Mat - Didn’t fight Galad or Gawyn before leaving Tar Valon…but how could he? His father never taught him anything let alone how to fight with a bow staff…because Abel is a piece of crap now. Also, making him a bad gambler is going to force them to insert nonsense to “make him a good gambler.” When in the books he was always good, but the pattern slowly made him legendary at it through him being Ta’veren. There is no explicable reason why we should see him as Ta’veren yet. Lan - There is no reason to believe he is remotely as talented with a sword as he should be. He has almost died more times than I care to remember at this point. He wouldn’t be cut with a Thakan’dar blade…but then again he also shouldn’t be crying every five minutes either.
It almost seems that this group of writers cannot comprehend the idea of sexual restraint. That they do not think it is believable that if you have sexual attraction towards someone that you would not immediately start having sex with that person.
They can't comprehend that concept because they're so busy pushing this modern morality where sex is like a handshake, it's just a way to get to know someone else.
This is a good example of how the creators of this show don't understand the significance of how deeply people get invested in a franchise. We've read these books for decades, and it literally shapes the way we speak and sound. In high school the Wheel of Time taught me more about grammar and punctuation than any classroom ever has. These book aren't something we read once and enjoyed; they're a part of our personal histories.
I started reading this in 90-91 timeframe, I believe. I was in the Army, stationed in Belgium. I loved "The Dragon Reborn" cover in hardback, so I bought the first three books, and was HOOKED. I watched I think, the first two episodes, and nothing since. I heartily agree with you.
The Winter's Heart book saved my life in Afghanistan. It stopped a piece of shrapnel from a rocket that would have quite possibly killed me otherwise. So that was helpful. I like it more for the fact that it was a story that somehow managed to stay consistently good for over two decades of writing and over a dozen books long. That's so rare it's worth more than my life.
@@benjamintherogue2421 Spot on, Sir. I can believe his Robert Jordan's books are thick enough to stop a bullet. From an Army vet, glad you're still with us!
I got a warning on r/wot for saying that not a single scene from this episode is from the books. They said “ that I had posted mis-information, by claiming the show has nothing to do with the books”
LOL That reddit is heavily patrolled by the mods. Season 1 they were psychopaths muting people or straight up banning them from the reddit. There were a lot of complaints about the diversity in the show before it aired so they were quick to clamp down on anything at all that commented on that. Then they had those episodes with the openly gay/bi warders and hte guy that minecrafted himself joking about guess I'll have to be gay if he wants to be bonded by their Aes Sedai. I remember people complained about that and once again more bannings. I didn't get banned but got muted for 30 days... and gave up. I heard they were insta-banning people who posted on /r/whitecloaks because that's where everyone went to openly discuss the shows. Season 2 looks like they are still heavy handed. I posted something on there and got it removed due to it being lazy criticism. Basically, that reddit is run by over zealous mods who don't appreciate any criticism of the show. Best to stay away.
@@nicholascowling7052 I post on there criticizing the show all the time, so does MANY other people, there are countless posts there right now that are negative about the show, yet none of them are removed. So I guess that tells us more about how you choose to communicate than the mods there...
One of the things that appealed to me in the books is that from the start the three boys are innocent, virginal, awkward around women, especially beautiful women. Later in the story, the love scenes are implied, not racy and detailed and I appreciated this because I can share with grandkids. They have ruined the purity of the characters, it's interesting to watch these innocent characters be yanked out of their comfortable world and plopped right in the middle of pure evil and manipulation. It's interesting to watch how a group of bumpkins from the edge of nowhere grow and accept their destinies. Making them horny brats before they even meet the larger world is just stupid. It destroys all of the character arcs. I was always rooting for Rand to resist Lan Fear, I was rooting for Perrin to realize what a hunk of a man he really is, and though I never liked Faile she made a man out of him in the books. I also love Min in the books, how could they get her so wrong? I find nothing about this show that would suggest that this is the Wheel of Time, aside from character names. I might be wrong, but from the books I got that male and female need to work together, that neither should completely dominate in all things. There was no need to insert feminism in the show because there is plenty of it already in the source material The whole point is that patriarchy on it's own is destructive, but so is a matriarchy left without the balancing of the masculine. The show lost me from the first scenes of episode 1 season 1. Now I am re reading the series and watching Shad and Disparu for fun.
I was so angry in episode 1 when Rand and Egwene were just casually sleeping together. Like, what? Everything on TV has to fall in line with whatever agenda the mainstream is pushing out, over-sexualization is what derailed this train.
It's good you're not giving them any views. You sound like a proper fan of the source material who understood the characters. The villains who made this series deserve no views from anyone, much less someone who respected the books. It's great watching the UA-camrs making profit over destroying these nonsensical hateful products. At this point I consider them the production budget for shows like Shad's, Disparu's, and Gary's channels.
In the books, Rand uses the power or in the dream world to LITERALLY BEARS HIS SOUL to Lanfear to show she means NOTHING to him. Rafe: yeah that’s ‘love’, right? As an American, I hate Hollywood.
One of the big points about channelers is that, even if they're omega powerful, they can die to mundane things. It's brought up several times and Rand is scolded by characters like Nynaeve and Moiraine for not being more careful, because EVERYTHING can fall apart if he's shot in the heart with an arrow by some random assassin. If you slit Lanfear's throat and then stab her through the fucking heart, she is DEAD. It doesn't matter if she's holding the True Power at the time; she's dead. And they also seem to be setting her up to be the strongest of the Forsaken because of course they are. I bet my boy Asmodean is getting written out of the show.
End of the series book spoilers ahead. *This is the spoiler bit!* Lanfear is finally defeated, by Perrin just straight up snapping her neck. She is trying to control him, to kill I think it's Nynaeve and Moiraine, and he pushes through the control just long enough to kill her, and that's it, she just dies. Perrin even falls to his knees and weeps about how he had to kill someone he loved, because that's what she was doing to him. It's a really good scene. *Ok no more spoilers after this bit!* It's a PERSISTENT part of the books that having the power DOESN'T make you invincible. Doesn't matter how absurdly powerful you are, steel cuts you just as easily as everyone else. Now you can be healed, sure, but you CAN'T heal YOURSELF and you can't heal DEATH. An arrow through the face, a blade in the heart, a broken neck or a 1000 foot fall? Those are all very fatal things. But they already HEALED DEATH in season ONE so what does any of it matter?
@@haku8135 Exactly this. One of my favorite aspects of channelers is that no matter how powerful they are, they're still human beings with regular fleshy bodies that are just as fragile as anyone else's. *FINAL BOOK SPOILERS* If they're going with the "Forsaken can't be killed by mortal means" garbage, that completely derails Lan killing Demandred during the Last Battle. It's one of the most noteworthy parts of the entire series, and it calls back to Lan's early series lesson to Rand on "sheathing the sword" as a sword technique. That's out the window, it seems. They genuinely just don't seem to give a damn about the source material, and I highly doubt Rafe has ever finished a single WoT book.
@@falx94 The only thing that gives me comfort is knowing there's NO way this piece of shit show is getting anywhere NEAR the last battle. I don't believe for a second they'll get enough seasons to even approach Dumai's Wells.
@@falx94 " that completely derails Lan killing Demandred during the Last Battle. It's one of the most noteworthy parts of the entire serie" Really? I can't even remember that, and it's not that long ago that I finished the series. Though the entirety of the last two book were kind of confusing and disappointing after all that build up. But I can't really imagine anything being that satisfying after so many books, the expectations had been raised too high by that point. The most memorable moment of the last books for me was the cursed zombie city that Mat travelled through.
I think they are preempting the required casting changes when forsaken get resurrected by the Dark One in new bodies. They will, of courae, let Balthael/Halima/Osangar body change happen because "man in a woman's body" is aligned with their insanity.
One thing that worried me was when Logain said 'he's as strong as I was'. Have they forgotten their own rewrites again (when they made him weaker than Egwene of all people) or have they changed it so that the Dragon Reborn, the most powerful channeler ever (that we see) is now weaker than quite a few high level Aes Sedai?
They should have added to that scene where Logan says, “He’s as strong as I was, and he hasn’t even finished “growing” yet.” It was pretty established in the books that as they continued to channel they got more powerful until they hit their peak. Just like aes Sedai…
@@Bacchian if I remember correctly they can still see the one power but are just not able to touch it when severed. It has been a minute and I may be wrong, but to your point they are half-asking many things.
@@randy5629 They can sense the Source after they're severed, but they can't sense the Power in others or see what they're doing. For men, sensing saidin in other men is already more difficult than it is for women unless they're holding the Power or actively channeling.
The next 4 episodes will be all about the girls and how they don't need a man to save them, much like in the book, We might get a scene at the end where Rand grabs Callandor and says he is leaving to the wastes. Rafe is really out of his depth with this material. Shame I was excited for this series. I should have known that this was going to happen. Only silver-lining is that the writers strike and actors strike will kill this travesty. another turning of the wheel and we can move on :)
Have the Aiel appeared in this show yet? “We search for he or she who comes with the dawn” And they probably will wear armor and fight with 9’ swords and wear gold chains with clocks and ez e shades and all have aids and be on food stamps and live in tents in a place called reuidangelas with the wise one named Nancy in charge who is open secretly a darkfriend and lesbian but also moraine and Rand’s mum.
Sometimes evil people are just evil, whether through ambitions or greed or even a natural inclination for random acts of cruelty. To try and make a true villain seem sympathetic, while they steal babies to turn into their own personal soldiers from the parents of whom they murdered or will send their own unrecognizable child in the future to murder them later if the parents survived the attempt to form a resistance, well... it is beyond the pale to want to like someone like that. I can imagine the villain telling the stolen child they killed their own parents and the child replying with 'Good'. Good villains make us loathe their existence. If the villain also likes to unrelentingly punt puppies and kittens as a form of leg day exercise and burn down orphanages to warm up the general area because it got a little bit nippy... well if at that point if you can still sympathize with them, then you might be a combination of spoiled, rich and possibly psychopathic.
I've never met a liberal who wasn't living a lavish lifestyle off of their parents money.. or wasn't spoiled. Or.. more on the psychopathic side. I wonder who's writing these scripts and.. oh.
There's an interaction between Rand and Lanfear that is my favorite, where Lews Therin breaks through and Rand yells, 'You only love power!' The shock Lanfear has in this moment of the books always stood out to me. Not going to get anything that stands out in this series it seems.
actually, in a way, that's what happened, lanfear was lews' partner for years until he met ilyana....lanfear went to the dark side to spite lews therin, 'a woman scorned'....@@tomgibbons8906
"Large fan base, you'd think this would be an important show and would be approached respectfully" Me: "Reminds me of another show with the exact same issue"....... Stares at Rings of Power............ The lack of "timeless features" on the Aes Sedai is going to be yet another plot hole they are going to have to build a bridge over because in the books there are several points where having those features is used against them by their enemies. I just cannot get over how much I DESPISE how they've cast Lan. He looks and act NOTHING like what he's described and drawn as. There's so much other crap I just realized something. Why are the warders training INSIDE the Tower? They specifically have their own complex where they live and train behind it...... So they changed it so that Nynaeve can do all this bs they made up? A lot of the sets look uncanny or just flat out fake.
Not gonna lie. I subbed because of your message to young men video. That hit me, and I am age 46. This Wheel of Time travesty, though. Yeah. This deserves to be mocked mercilessly.
There’s a flashback scene in the books when Suian Sanche says her & Moiraine were in the office of the then Amyrlin seat when the Aes Sedai who died after foretelling the re-birth of the Dragon (Rand) occurred. They were only newly raised & they were sworn to secrecy sent out to hunt for him to secure him so they can help ready him for the last battle. So that’s only 18- 20yrs as full Aes Sedai. Moiraine also met Lan while out searching for the Dragon reborn, as the only clue they had was from the foretelling. So she was hunting for all males born on that day & crossing them off her list. Also the blue ajah of which Moiraine is a member of maintained the spy network agency & Siuan Sanche was the head of that network. There’s not a hope in hell any member of that spy network would turn traitor for a non One power user. So that whole plotline makes zero sense. Also how does Moiraine know how to deal with Lanfear? Especially this new zombie can’t die version of Lanfear that never fkn happened in the book… 🤷♀️ Another character assassination is the one against Min, they’re implying that she’s a dark friend
I wish they had done at least 1st season as new spring or made a movie long prequel to establish Morraine and Suian for them to have the spot light then and there. They have ruined both characters in portrayal and casting when they could have been great
Yep. The showrunners keep painting themselves into corners. Now that they've done this, how will they handle Birgitta's silver arrow peircing a certain Forsaken's chest, just barely missing her heart? The insidious forsaken behind this production wield plot-balefire, not caring what happens to the pattern as they only want to demoralize the audience and destroy heroic figures. This isn't just irresponsible and childish writing, this is intentional sabatage.
I remember that in the books, Lan turns to sword practice as an emotional outlet. The witch that held his bond at the time was forcing him to have sex with her.
I think House of the Dragon was the last modern show from the West that I've watched. I stick to Kdramas now cause they do whatever they feel like doing, diversity be damned. I know what I'm watching is them attempting to tell a story, not preach at me.
@@annienunyabiz6627 My dad loves the Korean shows, he's completely given up on western media. He even started drinking Soju which i believe is the "traditional" Korean alcohol of choice
@@annienunyabiz6627 Korea is one of the most homogenous countries in the world. It makes sense to make their shows one way to appeal to their audience. A show made for British or American audiences makes decisions to appeal to their country's cultural identity. It just makes sense even if you don't care for it.
I've been raging about this show and utterly conflicted to not watch more. This feels like a support group for those who have read the books. Even the Shannara Chronicles was done better AND THAT'S SAYING A LOT.
@@ardendragoonI was ok with The Legend of the Seeker at first because I was starving for fantasy. Then it got ridiculous and was really cheesy and Game of Thrones then came out and showed what someone who liked the source story looks like. (At first. F$ck those guys.)
I used to get upset that they couldn't even get hair color, or basic outfits right. Now we're in an age of complete race-bending and plot destruction in order to follow the woke agenda. Indeed, 'Shannara' and 'Legend of the Seeker' weren't so bad now in comparison. They were essentially Zena and Hercules clones adapted to books, but not disrespectful slaps in the face to the source material.
The second book has a perfectly clear cut goal and direction, probably the most obvious of the entire series. Catch up with Padan Fain who announced he's going to Toman Head and recover the Horn of Valere. But this abomination, what are they even doing? As one guy in the comments said, the whole plot is unravelling like the pattern itself, so many threads have been burned out of it already.
I bet a lot of us are thinking along those lines. The screenrunners essentially burnt Uno out of the pattern. How will certain characters meet up with The Prophet later, or the War break out in Amadicia between the Dragonsworn and Whitecloaks? Then they have to invent new reasons for Perrin to be sent by Rand to find Masema ... and the list goes on. The ripple effect is already soo deep, especially with how they've handled the Oathrod and such, that the book plots are already fubar.
It's absolutely hilarious and extremely disheartening that the show has reduced Rand's character to the point that, so far, his season 2 story can be summarised as just being Lanfear's rentboy.
Well considering that they reduced his character to Egwene’s boyfriend in the previous season, we can’t be too surprised. I honestly can’t think of a single conversation he has that doesn’t relate to Egwene. The man literally had the fate of the world in his hands and still the only thing he could talk about was his girlfriend. But don’t worry next season he’ll probably be Min’s plaything because that’s character growth, right?
Lanfear is thr most powerful female forsaken. She loses out in stregthn to rahvin, demandred, ishamael, sammael, aginor. She is argued to be able to potentially match uo against the males except ishamael due to having greater dexterity and speed with weaves. Basically in a duel she gets off the first shot.
@@Bacchian as far as power levels go there is variance in a level. Think like inches how many centimeters make an inch than think how many militmeters in a centimeter.
@@janaanklassen87 You're probably referring to The Great Hunt, but keep in mind not everything is reliable narration. It also suggests Lanfear is the second strongest Forsaken, when we know all of the male Forsaken can hold more of the Power.
Funny difference between the series and the books: Cutting off a Sister from the One Power is so catastrophic that just shielding a full Sister alone was like a major breach of etiquette. Actually STILLING one, and breaking the Warder bond was similar to amputation, so spiritually painful that the ladies want to kill themselves and the Warders go mad, running towards death because their anchor on reality was violently broken. 1% survival rate. In the TV series? I guess it makes you cry a lot...
This isn't Lanfear. Its Shameful how they have disregarded the enviousness that she has or her lust for power or how vain she is. She knows she is beautiful. She flaunts it and also she wouldn't be working as an innkeeper. She would kill a noblewoman. Use the power to change her look like she did in the Aiel waste and be in a place of luxury and power. Plus I want to see Nynaeve pull her braid just once. If they wanted to know their characters. Pick up the last book and read the chapter after the last battle which is called Those who fight. It was about a woman with a secret, a hope for a future. A womam who had hunted the truth before those could. A woman who had give her life then had it returned. (Moiraine) It was about a man whose family was taken from him, but who stood tall in his sorrow and protected those he could. (Perrin) It was about a woman who refused to believe that she could not help, could not heal those who had been harmed. (Nynaeve) It is about a hero who insisted wth every breath that he was anything but a hero. (Mat) There is more in the chapter but this is the main motivation of all the characters that Rand realizes when he is fighting Shaitan. I don't want to disrepect Lan's one one the list since it is the best and the final that Rand throws in the dark one's face. If you were to make the character's be who they are. This is the best guide that Jordan/Sanderson gave us. I am also a Charleston SC native. Robert Jordan was born here and stay his entire life in our city. He is a local hero and I am tired of these bastards destroying the one big famous author from my home town.
Just reading your comment gave me CHILLS because I remembered the books. THE BOOKS ARE SO BLOODY GOOD! Lanfear is so power hungry she'd rather throw her beauty away entirely if it meant she was still in a position of power. In the wastes the choices of who Lanfear is is between this super fat woman who is basically in charge of the merchants, or a prettier servant girl. Lanfear basically says "What's a few layers of fat in exchange for power?" Reading the second book again, Selene talks about power and glory NON-STOP. In ANY situation, she's like "The horn Rand, the horn! Glory, we could rule the whole WORLD together! Think of the glory and power!" That's her ONE goal. When they've just blown up half a building with fireworks and they're trying to run away, Selene just gets annoyed at how unambitious Rand is and walks away, then (you realize this later on) she just starts controlling the illuminators' minds so she can be escorted out. She can TELEPORT, turn invisible, hell she could just make a staircase and walk away. But she doesn't do any of that, she uses her power to make herself the most important person in the area that everyone will bend the knee to. This character is the OPPOSITE of Lanfear in just about every way.
Tai'Shar Charelston! R.J. gave us wonderful characters; believable, relatable heroes. They want to demoralize society by destroying our heroes, and thus we are in a culture war. This production is proof that the showrunners are as bad as the Forsaken; wielding plot-balefire, destroying the pattern the authors wrote, just to get at the book fans. As I have come to say about this and many other shows, they stand on the shoulders of giants, only to piss on their graves. We must take Lan's advice to say a prayer and ride on.
I wasn't expecting a shot for shot adaptation of the entire Wheel of Time series. There's a really interesting interview with Brandon Sanderson where he was speaking about the first Harry Potter book being basically a shot for shot remake of the book, and how it was the least interesting movie. And I agree. That being said, I made a huge mistake going into Wheel of Time tv series, that I have made throughout my personal life as well. I naively went in hearing what I wanted to hear and paying more attention to and trusting what people (Rafe Judkuns in this case) said and not their actions. Never trust things coming out of people's mouths over what their actual actions are. What I heard was "I am a Wheel of Time super fan, and I have hired Sarah Nakimura as our book source expert. I am consulting with Brandon Sanderson and Harriet." I should have known better than to trust someone who in one of the pre-show materials he unveiled Thom's GUITAR. Thom's primary instrument is the HARP. Why unnecessarily change this one small detail? Unless you are planning to change literally everything about a series that is primarily feminist to begin with. Like I said, I was not expecting a shot for shot adaptation. But what I was not expecting a so-called "super fan" to brutally rape and dismember a beloved book series for their own woke agenda.
Thibg is Harry Potter is successful for being a shot for shot or at l3ast close. All successful adaptations are close. Look at OPLA, it's got some changes but it's almost a 1:1
Yeah, no one really expected a shot-for-shot remake of the books. Anyone who isn't an idiot knows you can't adapt everything from a novel into a movie / TV show, particularly a series of novels as massive as _The Wheel of Time._ But these idiots have completely cut out huge swathes of material that's legitimately critical to the story and replaced it with shit they've made up that in no way fits with the story, themes, and characters. I can even accept the combination of multiple characters into a single character. For example, I think combining Hurin and Elyas could work...if handled properly. In the books, Hurin's ability comes out of nowhere, and after _The Great Hunt,_ Hurin is barely mentioned, and his ability is completely absent. As such, the combination could work. That being said, combining Elaida and Liandrin is completely nonsensical, as both are incredibly important to the story _as individual characters._
I'm confused maybe. You say you hear what you want to hear - but that people are also lying? Typically, when people say they 'hear what they want to hear' means that the person speaking isn't lying, but you still ignore it and twist the meaning into something you do want to hear. It shouldn't have anything to do with Rafe's actions. It would be him telling you - "I'm going to change everything and make it my version of a turning of the wheel but not THE turning of the wheel from the books..." And you then thinking, "Sweet, he's going to keep it all unchanged and make a perfect adaptation." Am I mistaken? Also, how does a simple change in prop practicality - a guitar is easier to carry, use and recognize for common viewers than a harp - indicate to you that they are going to LITERALLY change EVERYTHING about the show that is feminist to begin with? What does a guitar vs. a harp have to do with feminism? And how does it lead to raping a show for a political agenda? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on Rafe's agenda...but I don't see any evidence you give here that would prove he's doing anything other than making his own turning of the wheel version inspired by the books. Thoughts for a healthy debate?
@@justinreid6718 ok for one no one wants a different turning, Two turnings don't work like this as is showcased in the books through birgitte 3 when you adapt somethibg you keep the story the same. Changing a prop does one thibg it shows your lack of attention to detail. The little things matter. In the grand scheme of things him having a guitar wouldn't have been terrible but they screwed up the story in the opening 30sec monolgue
@@justinreid6718 The whole 'Another turning of the wheel" is a big lie that basically allows them to do what they want. And what they want is to use the characters and setting from the WOT to tell their own story. The writers seem to loathe the book material and actively have gone out of their way to destroy the material. Season 1 was the Moiraine show and season 2 is shaping up to be the Liandrin series. Our heroes out thrown in the backseat of the story while girl bosses take center stage. I think a lot of people believed that Judkins and his crew were going to be respective towards the book material and try to honor it in their show but this has continuously proven to not be true. Honestly, it only feels like the male characters are in the show because they are central to the series. (Other than Lan who gets a lot of screen time and turns out to be a big f'ing puss.) Also, that titty twisting meme of him from season 1 still perfect encapsulates how I feel about his character.
Mat having no luck, Min being a dark friend, the Cahrien section, the death of Uno, the Seanchan pacifiers, Logain in the asylum, Rand in love with Lanfear, Lan not caring about Nyneve. It seems to be that the creators want to destroy all memory of the mastery that is the books; the characters, the storyline, the message, the philosophy, and the foundation of the world.
@@ctrlaltdebug at least Starship Troopers, if unintentionally, does a decent job of portraying a libertarian society even if it is dressed up to be fascistic. Sargon of Akkad does a good breakdown of this.
You have made the assumption that they are concerned that they ruined any of the male characters...See where you went wrong. He needs to take a backseat to Nynaeve so she can demonstrate her girl boss abilities and that means making cuts to lesser characters.
This change looks like a pretty clear signal that they're going to take his big moment in The Last Battle away. Of course I doubt they're thinking that far ahead.
@@tetrisint if they keep the Lan - Demandred fight, it makes Moiraine look even more moronic for not decapitating her, though it's not like the show seems to care about consistency, so who knows.
Firstly, bold of you to assume they’ll make it that far. Secondly, bold to assume that events from the book will be depicted in the show. Finally, bold to assume the writers care that this will be a problem, since it will probably be someone else’s problem to clean up the mess
In the books, Moiraine is approximately 50 years old when she and Lan go to the Two Rivers (in New Spring, Cadsuane insults Moiraine repeatedly, including cryptically referencing thirty years, which makes everyone gasp because Sisters do not talk about age). Regarding Moiraine finding Rand, we are supposed to presume that Moiraine has capitulated to her sister, sat down to tea, and humored her enough to get the answers she needs. Regarding Logain, it is presented during her confrontation with Logain that Moiraine got him sent there, rather than be kept in the Tower. So she has always known where Logain was. What we don't yet know, and may never find out, is how Rand found Logain.
In the leaked script Moraine is in her 40s when she heard the Prophecy that the dragon was reborn. So Moraine can only be in her 60s and her younger sister can't be in her 70s We can confirm that the actress' age is wrong because they bring up that their uncle started the Aiel War. To be king he would have to be the oldest child. 70+ year old wouldn't be on the battlefield. Thus blood snow couldn't happen if he was that old. 60s are pushing it. His sibling would need to be near his age to have Moraine to be in her 40s. If the sibling was up to 20 years younger then Moraine could only be in her 20s and would have only just been born. But that would make her sister only in her 20s now. The only way the her sister could be that old would be if she was the older sister. If they wanted to show Aes Sedai slowed aging, why not make them twins? We see what Moraine should look like vs what she is.
I would really like to know from none book reader's if they get what's going on with Perrin? I feel like they just completely messed him up and they're just hanging onto Mat so maybe he can have a story later? lol
As a non-book reader, prior to this last episode, he was obviously spiritually connected to wolves, they helped hum multiple times, and his character arc looked like it would be one of violence versus non-violence. That he would struggle with his wolf nature and assume it was a violent nature but actually the violence of wolves is not the violence of humans....after this episode it seems the wolf connection is much stronger and more concrete. It is a really super power, though it's still hard to see what broad reach it could have that makes him such a vital part of the pattern. mini-big bad turning up and telling him being more wolf brings him closer to the dark kinda confirms for me that his future peace and completion as a character will come from learning that 'the wolf' is not the problem, and it will be possible to find harmony between his wolf power and his preference for non-violence.
Making Moiraine the main character in Wheel of Time is like putting all the focus on Gandalf in Lord of the Rings. They're AWESOME characters, everyone loves them, but they're not the MAIN characters. This isn't THEIR story. If they wanted to do HER story, they should've adapted New Spring. I doubt they even know that book exists. I'm reading through Great Hunt again. Moiraine appears a little bit at the beginning in Fal Dara to tell the Amyrlin about Rand, but after leaving Fal Dara, she has ONE chapter, that's it. For the second book, that's pretty much the whole thing, we dip in to see what she's up to, we learn a few important details, and she gets attacked and LAN saves her, with another Warder's help, they fight a VERY dangerous creature that is really cool that was cut entirely from the show. Since I've gotten to the point in the book recently, Liandrin. She is NOT in the book much at all, the ONLY time she's shown up is TO do the thing she does. She isn't loitering around teaching the girls, she's GONE, Elaida is around sometimes mostly harassing Min, but LIANDRIN is not around. She just storms into Egwene's room, kicks Min and Elaine out, and then says "Rand's in trouble, come with me." More substantial book spoilers after this point. Elaine and Min listen in on the conversation, and decide to come with Egwene and Nynaeve. Liandrin, after seeing the 4 of them, remarks she was going to have the two of them KILLED while she took Egwene and Nynaeve away. She says she was going to have them TAKEN CARE OF, and she plays it off as she arranged for them to be PROTECTED from the Black Ajah, cause they're known friends of Egwene and Nynaeve, and thus would be in danger. It's very clear she intended to have them assassinated. Then she basically says "Fine, this works too. Let's go." Then she takes them THROUGH THE WAYS, and gives them to the Seanchan as slaves to be tortured and treated as animals, LITERAL pets. THIS IS THE CHARACTER THEY DECIDED DESERVED SYMPATHY! The people making this show are SCUM. To make matters worse, they're also incompetent.
When Lanfear channels, it shimmers, which is supposed to represent the True Power, derived from the Dark One. (See Dragonmount, the prologue to The Eye of the World, and Ishamael's channeling). Also, in the last look at Lanfear's corpse, you see the saa floating in her eyes, a symptom of channeling the True Power. But most importantly, she isn't dead. Which departs from the books, because the forsaken most certainly can be killed. And while the Dark One can restore their spirit into another body, dead is dead and is never Healed.
I could be off here, but as far as I can recall Ishamael was the only one of the forsaken to be granted access to the true power since the breaking. Before the buildup to the last battle he granted access to it very rarely, and using it has consequences which would make a character like Lanfear hesitant to use it.
One thing I must point out about Lan apparently not knowing what to do without the Bond, is the fact that book Lan knows _exactly_ what he'd do without the bond, and that's go back to the Borderlands and help in the fight there. Exactly what he was headed to do before Moiraine snagged him up. The _only_ reason he chose to be Moiraine's Warder, (New Spring spoiler), is because Moiraine's cause and motivation is to find Rand, the Dragon Reborn, which would be a much greater blow to the Dark One's efforts in the Blight than Lan could accomplish by himself. So, because her cause is to strike such a blow to the Dark One, Lan decides he's better off supporting Moiraine as her Warder. I also want to mention that it's become even more apparent that Rafe is giving the women more agency in this story than the male characters, especially Rand. This is through established power structure. In the scene where Moiraine talks to Logain, Logain says Rand has as much Power as he use to, before being gentled. Previously, S01E04, Lan asks Moiraine if Egwene is more powerful than Logain, to which she's unsure. But somewhere, in this season I think, can't remember where, someone outright says Egwene _is_ more powerful than Logain. Then you remember S02E01, Alanna very clearly states Nynaeve is _ten times_ more powerful than Egwene! Hence, Egwene is more powerful than Rand, but Nynaeve is 10 times more powerful than either. Good job Rafe! Grr. One nice thing with stabbing Lanfear in the heart with a sword and cutting her throat is, just as it is with our protagonists, death is a mere inconvenience. There are literally zero stakes in this show anymore, if there ever was, they certainly didn't establish any right from the beginning. I guess we'll just enjoy Lan's slow journey into becoming a hippy. 😁🤨😢 The character assassination of Min is an absolute sacrilege! She was seriously one of the most wholesome characters in the books! She was Rand rock and his grounding point in his darkest hours! Ugh. RIP Min.... One small correction, not that it's all that important in this show, but both you and your wife keep referring to Alanna as Leana. Unless I'm mishearing you.
"But somewhere, in this season I think, can't remember where, someone outright says Egwene is more powerful than Logain." Noone said this, and also remember that when Logain states that Rand is "as powerful as him", that doesn't mean Rand is also MORE powerful as him. Logain was just shocked that someone could match him in power, it probably never occurred to him that Rand could even surpass him. The women's agency have been more or less removed here, even Min couldn't rescue herself, and they mostly talk about the men, and how they need men to give their lives meaning...
Ah shit here we go again x4. I found the whole Liandrin arc so far so fricking stupid. Why did she attack the 3 right there in the tower if she wants to take them to Falme? What happened in the book made so much more sense. This just creates more work for Liandrin.
Well to be honest in book 1 Mat was often being taken to the cleaners at dice. It was not until he was taken to the White Tower in book 3 and healed from the curse of Shadar Logoth that her really begins to manipulate luck and takes EVERYONE to the cleaners in..... just about everything possible.
The books are actually a warning against feminism. The books also highlight the sin of pride and how power corrupts. Also highlighted is the binary complementary aspect of male and female.
Pride and power corrupts - it had nothing to do with male or female. In this world, females have a majority control over power and the world, but WHOEVER is in charge is easily corruptible. I don't see this as an argument against feminism so much as against overpowered people.
No, they are not. The show might be, but the books were very intentionally pro-feminism and depicted a world with a balance of power between the sexes. The only warning was that they have to cooperate.
@@amys0482The Forsaken also gave equal places to women, showing that feminism is evil. Besides, this is a science-fiction world and the people aren't human. In the species of people in The Wheel of Time, babies don't need their mothers at home. All the babies are at home alone, presumably feeding themselves, while their mothers are out being independent. With humans in our own world, the real world, women can't fight men or even win the world chess championship against men. In every job with a score - sports, chess, or making money - women are unable to compete equally against men. Women can only claim equality in the jobs where the results aren't clearly defined.
@@LordSenile The books showed that, even if a man's body was changed to look like a woman's, he could still only use the male half of the power and not the female half. Because he'll always be a man no matter what he looks like. As for the show, each episode introduces at least 1 new woman or little girl just so she can be brutally murdered.
If they persist with this writing decision that forsaken cannot die by mortal means then that means Lan wont kill Demandred. That was one of Lan's most badass moments.
Although I haven’t watched the show, I overall agree with what I heard here (a bit of common sense and the fact that I read books certainly helps with this). But I note that at (57-00) where you discuss why Rand ran away and didn’t cut off Lanfear's head, let me remind you that Rand had big problems with killing/harming women. At least until the 12th book, where Semirhage, using the male A'dam, forced him to try to kill Min, and as a result, the Forsaken herself was killed by Rand balefire. Moiraine on the other hand would not hesitate for a second and do what needs to be done. So yeah, running away doesn't make sense anyway. P.S. trusting Shad, subscribed and took note of the channel Nerdrotic, if the content is interesting, I will stay. But I couldn’t find the channel of the second person present in the video - a woman, whose name/nickname I couldn’t clearly hear when Shad addressed her (9-45) - "ExWy girl" or something like that. Shad, or someone who knows, can you help with this? (direct link to channel preferred)
Dude - you really want to go through life blindly following advice from a UA-camr? I like Shad too, but watch a show and make your own decisions before 'overall agreeing' with an online review.
My favourite part of the books is where the girls are struggling to dream walk and get ambushed. While fighting for their lives, Perrin comes through, chasing another wolf brother, as if it is the most natural thing in the world to do. Cannot wait to hear how the program is going to spin that.
The plot is soo furbar already, I don't think they plan on making it that far. I'm almost certain they are just creating this to demoralize people, and get some money out of a few seasons. Season one and the way they did Oaths worry me more, as that's the specific issue of a certain young lady gaining Seat- to avoid spoilers. The whole thing pivots around the Oaths, and with those messed up they'll have to invent some B.S. to raise her. Additionally, how are the Black Ajah going to be exposed? They've ruined the book plots already.
I think I know how the story will end in the show. Rand and Mat will become new Forsakens, and it will be up to Moraine (remember, she is the main character here), the girls, and maybe Perrin and Liandrin to stop them and the Dark One.
Yeah it shows just how gutted Harriet would be. She was furious about Billy Zane's film, but this series is rubbish. She must be locked into not saying anything negative by contract. Just like George Lucas is with Star Wars. But at least in the case of Star Wars we know George's true opinion from what his wife has said.
Great channels that have covered this this in depth, Prophet of the Dragon, Salty Traveling C, A Man of Manetheren, and The Whitecloaks. Yeah I'm shilling for them. Also a first time reader on the Shadow Rising
Wife asked me to watch season 1 when it happened. I had some questions as it went but let it go....she was mostly just happy it existed as she loves the books. I however lost my mind with the episode near the end of the season with some silly tower defense where the tactics were crap and then a couple women just save everything from the horde. Asked her why they didn't just do that to start then and was told the book was different. Also asked why these two novice women twice pretty much cured death and she couldn't defend it. Then asked if agelmar was a dick in the books or if they just did that so morraine could belittle him and she was like, no the northmen are very respectful. Last one was if lews theron got a told you so from some random woman in the past about sealing the evil, nope they did what they had to......She lost all faith by the end of season 1 and now we are mostly hate watching to see how much they screw up. But I read all 14 books minus the prequel in about 9 months after that season ended so it is fresher in my mind now than hers so we really can tear it apart.
On the warder bond: The warder bond can be dissolved while both parties are still alive without any harm to the warder. Lan asking to be released is brought up when Moiraine and Lan argue over her arranging to have his bond passed if she should die. While I don't think it's mentioned what would happen to a warder when his aes sedai is stilled, I would imagine that it would be the same result. So Lan really shouldn't be so miserable over it anyway.
I regularly check IMDB to see who is portraying which character, why, because apparently I'm a masochist. With that out of the way, and because this show is ridiculously easy to predict, Mat and Min will meet up with Moiraine and Rand in Cairhien. They will then attend a meeting/ball with Barthanes Damodred, who will turn out to be Moiraine's nephew. I give it 50/50 odds as to whether he's a darkfriend or not, as it's clear that in the show Fain did not use the waygate at the Damodred estate to reach Falme. Moiraine and the other three will then use the gate to reach Toman Head (likely will be how the episode ends). As for Perrin, somehow he and Elyas will become separated and Perrin will wander into some random village that is either under attack by the Seanchan, or soon will be. However this village will have Aiel, notably Aviendha who will lead the counter attack, driving off the Seanchan forces. The three girls, Elayne, Egwene, and Nynaeve, we know from promotional material will arrive at Falme through another waygate, either unconscious or at least feigning to be. Again from promotional material, we also know that Egwene and Elyane will face off against the Seanchan in a wooded area, so we know they avoid capture at least for a while. However I give 50/50 odds that Egwene is never capture, or that Nynaeve is captured instead (and that is how her block is forcibly broken). But most telling from the cast on IMDB, there are no actors/actresses set to portray the Heroes of the Horn. So either the Horn is not sounded during this season, or it is, but we get no interaction with the Heroes. I lean more towards the former.
I actually liked this one better than any of the previous three, as I think I prefer them doing their own shit thing to them doing a shit job adapting book stuff, but it was far from anything resembling good. My thoughts: 1. It makes sense Rosamund Pike is front and center in all marketing etc., because she's the only star the show has, and everyone else are nobodies. 2. Moiraine didn't say Lanfear was the most powerful best I can remember. She said she was the most dangerous, which I would tend to agree with, as Lanfear is the smartest of the bunch - which is especially true after Sanderson's last big WoT reveal he did a few months ago. 3. I actually liked the semi-transparent fuzzy images stuff for the way wolves communicate, as that's at least approaching how I pictured it in the books. 4. I think they were trying to show that Moiraine knew it was Lanfear because of that prophecy, but it wasn't executed well. 5. I think Rand's relationships were bound to be fucked up anyway, as there's no way feminist Rafe will do the canon polyamorous relationship, so they are bound to pick one of the three, and since Rand never met Elayne, and they're pairing Min with Mat in plot, who knows what the fuck they're going to do
My daughter loves you guys. She watched the episode with me and your review. She said your review was more entertaining. She also said Selene looks like Rand’s mom too.
Please start a petition to have the name of the series changed from WoT to: Rafe Judkins Presents Fan Fiction Using Names from the Writings of Robert Jordan. Please!
SHE DID WHAT!? THEY HAD LIANDRIN KNOCK THEM OUT!? WHY!? I JUST SAID HOW SHE GOT THEM TO THE SEANCHAN! She barges into Egwene's room, sends Elaine and Min away, cause Min and them all are supposed to be FRIENDS, but they haven't even MET cause she's replacing THOM for some reason. Oh we all know the reason damn it. Ahem. Liandrin says "your friends are in trouble, the Black Ajah is real, we need to go. Do this this and this." An Aes Sedai ADMITTING the Black Ajah is real SHOCKS them to their cores, that's INSANE. Elaine and Min were eavesdropping, they demand to come too, and the 4 of them show up. Liandrin is like "I told you NOT to tell anyone, but fine, this'll work too." She then takes them to the waygate, and because they think they're helping Rand, they literally get their own horses, get their own supplies, walk out of the Tower, and traverse the ways willingly. They come out the other end, and there's FIFTY Seanchan surrounding the exit, and Liandrin hands them over, but the handoff is interrupted when one of them starts channeling. In the confusion, Egwene is collared and taken away, and THAT is the reason she gets so good at channeling so quickly. She's basically being TORTURED and thrown in the deep end, where the Aes Sedai want to teach the girls slowly and safely. She also learns additional things about the power that helps her figure out some other very important things later on. This time as a Damane sets up the entire series, and it's IMPERATIVE that ONLY Egwene is captured. Cause if all THREE girls who can channel are caught, it's OVER. Done. They are SCREWED. If Liandrin's plan the SECOND that ONE extra person shows up is to KNOCK THEM OUT in a VERY blatant "I'm betraying you" kind of way, then she MUST have a plan to carry them all to the Seanchan and be collared. Otherwise she'd just do like she did in the books, accept she has one extra victim! So for this scene to make ANY sense, the NEXT scene MUST be them waking up with collars around their necks. Cause Liandrin is an Aes Sedai, she would KNOW her only option to transport them all that distance is to keep them unconscious. If ONE of them starts channeling, she's basically screwed. Maybe she can shield ONE of them, but if all THREE start attacking her, especially if they get the drop on her, she is so screwed. Egwene, Elaine and Nynaeve are supposed to be the STRONGEST channelers alive right now. They haven't reached that potential YET, but they've supposedly spent MONTHS in the tower, so overpowering ONE Aes Sedai shouldn't be beyond them, especially for Nynaeve, who has FOUGHT AN ENTIRE ARMY!
I thought it since season 1, so I just want to ask. Does anyone else think in terms of age, facial structure and height that the actress cast to play Moiraine is more suited to play Elaida? And that Liandrin's character up until this point more closely resembles Elaida?
Yep. I've not watched since Episode 5 from the first season, so I'm not sure if Elaida has been introduced in the show, but it's pretty clear Raginor and the idiot writers have combined Liandrin and Elaida into a single character.
Moiraine is my least favorite casting out of them all (which is almost all of them). A great casting choice would have been Jenna Coleman. She fits the correct height and has a young enough look to her.
@@ChickenBiscuits Jenna Coleman as Moiraine would have been great. I think Karen Gillan could have been a pretty solid Aviendha. Jenna Ortega as Egwene. Keep the current Elayne. Love her or hate her, I think Millie Bobby Brown could have pulled off a solid Min. The actress playing Selene should have been cast as Elaida.
Don't argue with logic, the rest of the series doesn't bother with it either. Lanfear, a forsaken wich are constantly scheming against each other and are permanently on guar against backstabbing, was embracing the source which amplifies all her senses and still didn't hear the door open or the footsteps behind her ? The part where she is immortal just was the final middle finger to storytelling.
Agreed - this is the small, easy stuff that can be the glue for book readers who are feeling frustrated with the reimagined adaptation. There is no added budget, complex staging or costuming. Just simple rules from the books that should've stayed consistent. Good call,@@David_randomnumber
The most enjoyable part of this terrible season is watching the fans of the series agree with me about how crap this season is. Why Rafe had Rand sleep around so much is that the woke community find traditional relationships, the concept of the nuclear family and the idea of not sleeping around to be distasteful and morally wrong, hence why they have the characters act in no way like they act in the books. I really feel for Harriet. She is probably prevented from complaining by contract. I bet she is gutted though. Rafe should resign for the disaster. Amazon are being stubborn. They might have greenlit a third season before the second screened, but I imagine they will hold off agreeing to a fourth until the third is screened.
"Why Rafe had Rand sleep around so much is that the woke community find traditional relationships, the concept of the nuclear family and the idea of not sleeping around to be distasteful and morally wrong, hence why they have the characters act in no way like they act in the books." This opinion, which you present in factual tone and language, is assumptive, illogical and simply wrong. It's assumptive that Rafe is speaking for an entire community and that this community is morally against traditional, nuclear families. As a proud member of no community focused around political/cultural opinions being shared online, on certain issues I lean towards the 'woke community' as you put it, and my morals insist on the individual's ability to choose and see natural representation. On that note, it's illogical to say Rafe has this agenda when he takes time to showcase Nynaeve's desire for the traditional nuclear family. All types of relationships are included, so there's no logical reason for you to focus on one and use it to say Rafe has an agenda. I doubt you think EVERY show, movie, game or comic with a male protagonist is a declaration of a male dominated society agenda by the creator. So why is this? And you're wrong about characters not acting like they do in the books: Mat, Rand, Aviendha, Thom, MANY Aiel...these characters all sleep around before a traditional marriage. I enjoy you analyzing and theorizing about the show, books, and the adaptation. Any retorts or responses for this? I love a healthy debate.
@@justinreid6718no his opinion is accurate thr woke community detests proper relationships.. You being a outlier is what's known as exceptions prove a rule. Than you mention "my morales" Morality is objective there is no "my" there is jsut morality. Bynaeve has zero desire for a traditional family since she slept around like a 2 bit whore at rhe first opportunity.
@@justinreid6718next you strawman male main characters. In a terrible argument. Guess what strong female characters don't push a declaration of a female dominated society or what ever your trying to claim. Like seriously we have plenty of strong and proper female characters Vin, shallan, teeter (yellowstone), Alice, selene the day walker, tomb raider. All proper strong female characters with no agenda Aviendha doesn't sleep around, thom does but he's form a city so 🤷, rand doesn't sleep around either. You love a healthy debate while bringing nothing
I just can't believe they could ruin the wheel of time so hard. There was so much potential there for a great tv adaptation. I've never seen a show waste so much time on boring scenes that go nowhere
@@jsbrads1Dude that's still 64 hours of screen time. If it was really good & exploded in poularity they might've even added episodes for more run time. And they should've done what actually good adaptations do. Cut the fat & condense what they can including both characters & plot. While sticking to the main original story & keeping it's themes & spirit. Instead they've cut important good characters & plot & inserted their own drivel & agenda.
@@jsbrads1 Not really - a huge portion of the books is describing the weather, location, the local costumes and customs - all taken care of visually in an instant or two. Certainly expensive to do proper job of it. Hells this show has thrown all that out with the bathwater simply to sell Wokeness. No distinction in time/distance, peoples, places; that is their issue - they don't want to sell the 'Story'. In Jordan's 'world' over half the rulers where strong-ish woman - a feminist utopia; so why mess with it? They have ruined a good story all in a vain wish we lived that world today; it was stupid, expensive and pointless!
2:95 I have already read 4 parts and in the 3rd or 4th part of the series Moraine claims that Lanfear (Selene) is THE most DANGEROUS. Probably because she is the one who can influence Rand the most. The rest of the forsakens will probably mainly fight Rand.
If this show makes it to the end of the story, I bet they are setting up Lanfear to have a redemption arc where she helps Rand save the world. Because they can't have a man do that face off alone and triumph.
Why would they need Lanfear for that when they use Egvene or Nynaeve? Actually in the books sealing the Bore is Rand, Nynaeve and Alanna working together to capture Ishamael and then seal it. A man can't do it alone because it requires both halves of the One Power to do it plus the True Power to prevent the contamination.
Ironically that's the one change I would really like the show to make compared to the books if they're going to change anything at all. Rand needed help from women in the books to seal the Bore because the whole point was a man couldn't do it alone (also Lanfear was mostly responsible for creating the Bore to begin with). Unfortunately though it seems the show is just makes things worse with changes as opposed to carefully executing a couple of the possible changes that would improve the books.
In the BOOKS a man couldn't do it alone, it took a combined effort of EVERYONE to win. In the show, Rand WILL probably just go off on his own and defeat the Dark One after all the women try to stop him, because this show seems to hate all the female characters for some reason. They probably won't even survive The Last Battle, or if they do they'll be too traumatized to even want to live.
It's almost like they got offended book fans didn't like season 1, so they are purposely trying to butcher everything about the books in season 2 just to spite us. Not even trying to make a good show anymore, they're just trying to piss us off.
Ugh... all forsaken were very dangerous, but for varied reasons. Lanfear wasnt combat, her main gimmick was invading dreams of people- in which she mindcontrolled them. Normal humans had zero protection from it .. which allowed her to create traitors at will on every level of enemy command. But compared to Ishmael she was nothing.... that dude was basically Avatar of the dark one.
No she is not... coz "she is weaker than all of the male Forsaken in terms of raw power " her dream magic gave her the position. But tbh i understand why writers made it "Many of those who she interacted with, including virtually all of the other Forsaken, have expressed the sentiment that she had a vastly overinflated opinion of herself. She was proud, arrogant, presumptuous, and self-absorbed, actively betraying both her allies and her master in order to gain more power for herself." Sounds like typical woketard isnt ? @@LordSenile
@@AB-ln2py Yes she is, this is a DIRECT quote from The Last Hunt (chapter 8): "Some said she had really been the most powerful of the Forsaken, next to Ishamael" And doesn't Moiraine believe that Ishamael is dead now? The quote is from when the Aes Sedai are discussing the prophecy that they read in the show, so whether it's true or not, it is what they believe about Lanfear at the time.
Dude... "Some said" that hearsay my man. And it never ever showed up in books during Forsaken interactions, Belal didnt give a damn about her. And after she got capped she got remade as the weakest of them all. Not to mention Aes Sedai were dumb AF and didnt know 10th of what they claimed to know. Bottom line, strenght is irrelevant once you know Balefire.. and all of them could use it. @@LordSenile
@@AB-ln2pyPoint is, as I said, it doesn't MATTER if it was true or not, this is what the Aes Sedai, including Morraine, believed in the books at this point, and so far we've only heard Moirraine say it on screen, so that's just like the books.
Let's be perfectly honest, what Min is in the TV show now is a DARKFRIEND and not just any darkfriend, one of the upper echelon, she interacted with Ishamael in full knowledge of who he is and took a deal with him....
It's great seeing Gary and Shad share the casting couch.
It's dope that they physically got together for this video. I assumed he was gonna be on via camera. Big fan of both of them!
Also shares clothing.
"I got news for you"
Swords fights are allowed on the casting couch? hahahaha ;)
@@nicholascowling7052 I mean...Shad explicitly stated Gary joined him on top of Shad's wife...
I'm so happy that I started watching FNT, RealBBC, Disparu and the KnightsWatch! they have save me so much money from canceling my steaming subs after getting the reviews from them!
I ufortunetly didn't trust UA-cam reviewers before! Not untill after watching Rings of power and realizing that I could get warned earlier! Oops!
Not that I trust all of them and sometimes I still want to watch somethings!
And at long last, decades after being separated by nefarious intrigues of the court, the lost brothers reunite.
Magic
Maybe it's the glasses but they do look related.
Mat in 3 chapters of the book:
Defeats two talented swordsmen with a staff
Gets filthy rich in a single night
Survives a lethal drop by using an assailant to break his fall
Reunites with Thom and leaves the city
Mat in the show:
Sits down
Sits down
Sits down while drinking
Sits down while drinking in a pub
The book parts aren't cherry picked, they're both about Mat waking up at the Tower and leaving. Show Mat spent three episodes (plus six months in-world) doing less than book Mat did in his first chapter (after a few weeks at most).
Also, if Rand wants to avoid sleeping with ancient, evil witches then maybe he shouldn't shack up with random women he knows nothing about. Seriously, he knows literally nothing about Selene but he "loves" her.
Yup not just any swordsmen either but Elayne’s 2 brothers the Princes training with Warders at the Tower.
Have you noticed they’ve cut the Princes completely from the tv show?
@@caren6310 Galad is supposed to be EXTREMELY talented too. He's almost a Blademaster in skill!
And Mat wipes the floor with BOTH of them at the same time.
The instructor then tells a story, I'll abridge it greatly "Who brought down this incredibly skilled swordsman? A farmboy with a quaterstaff."
The lesson is basically "His stick is longer idiot, it's a bad match, don't try to swordfight him, you'll obviously loose cause he's cheating."
A very important lesson to learn.
Yeah looks like they've been cut from the show so far. Which, they're both pretty damn important, so.... Oh what does it matter, they so RARELY even consider the books.
@@caren6310 Maybe they are aiming for the romance between Elayne and Egwene? Considering the changes so far it doesn't seem to be impossible
Mat also had a sweet roll.
@@haku8135 It's not "you'll obviously lose because he's cheating" and more "you'll obviously lose because he has a huge advantage over you in this situation you're deciding to attack him in".
They should rename this season "The Great Hunt for Lan's Manhood"
Clearly Raginor has decided that the events of _New Spring_ happened, but Moiraine was actually able separate Lan from his "sword."
Mission difficulty: impossible
Lan is dead… he died charging into the blight as the bond was severed. Show Lan crumpled to a ball and killed himself like Stefan did at the death of his Aes Sedai. This isn’t Lan.
😂😂😂 the Lan from the books would beat this Lan to death for embarrassing him.
The assassination of Lan’s character is beyond the pale, pail, or both. The casting, atrocious. His portrayal, an abomination.
They’ve done this to everyone to varying degrees but Lan should’ve been so damn simple to get right - had they been trying. Instead they smeared him. Just like bringing Dexter new blood just to run our guy through the mud.
And from this review I think it was I hear that Matt has left tar valon without the night of gambling wonders.
One of the few times in cinema that a montage could’ve been appropriate and awesome. Something like Fear and Loathing mixed with Snatch mixed with Lord of the rings.
Of COURSE Selene is still alive, she just got stabbed in the chest with a sword!
That never kills ANYONE in shows nowadays.
2: Also had her throat slit…
1: so???
@@jsbrads1 Women apparently have no vital organs in their rib cages (?)
She did survive worse things in books )))
@@tetrisint being fake tortured in Rand’s dream?
Well if getting stabbed in the heart with a dagger from Shadar Logoth isn't enough to kill Loial then why would a mere flesh wound like that effect Lanfear?
You can tell that Selene is evil because she is respectful towards a man.
I don't understand this comment, and you got 6 likes. Can you explain this to me, please?
@@justinreid6718 I have not seen the show but I guess that "men r bad stupid. woman good smart".
Because good woman in the insane mind of the show runners, are women who don't respect men. Haven't you watched the show or missed what feminism has become in at least the last ten years?
@@justinreid6718 she's evil because modern media will only frame a female being respectful towards a man as something only a bad woman would do.
@@justinreid6718 Given how men are viewed/treated as incompetent, weak and useless in general within the TV series - and the "good guy" protagonist characters (Aes Sedai, the Emon's Field girls) all model this behaviour, OP is pointing out that a character who treats men as equals/with respect must therefore be an evil character - they're acting in opposition to the heroes.
I'm a woman who's read the books and am thoroughly disgusted by how they've torn down the carefully built nuance Jordan wrote for men & women in the books - how they both have strengths and weaknesses, how they are at their best when working together.
This show is utter garbage in message, execution, writing, direction... Everything.
I truly appreciate Gary suiting up in a gambeson for this. Awesome guys! Now get Shad on a real BBC next.
Can we get both nedrotic and disparu for final episode. that will be epic!
With Shad
Include MauLer and Drinker.
@@DarthSideous63 They didn't watch the show, so they would be lost.
Disparu watched this episode with them.
We need Brad too.
Shad you should have a Knights of the Round table with you, Gary, Az, Disparu, Jeremy, Ryan, Frank Gore, MauLer and Drinker.
Frank Gore!!!
So... Open Bar then.
@@tool4132 never seen all of them on open bar at the same time
Call it the "The last argument of grifters"
@@harshahir3176 whoa nice one!
Gary! Good to see ya, thanks for watching this mess of a show. Glad to get your feedback with Shad.
There have been twelve episodes and the men still haven’t done anything…they are all separated too, they should be hunting the horn and the dagger together. The White Tower should have been introduced along with the Amyrlin Seat episode 1 in Fal Dara…but Rand isn’t there, Mat isn’t there, and Agelmar is dead…Rand doesn’t find the poem on the dungeon wall, or smear the other message that was specifically for him.
Rand - An orderly who has done nothing. Doesn’t reject Selene, hasn’t been taught the sword by Lan, didn’t go to Caemlyn, wasn’t orchestrated to be a lord by Moiraine to start his journey of being what people expect the dragon to be, and to fulfill prophesies.
Perrin - just learned Hopper’s name and is carrying a sword instead of an Axe…all things that should have been done in the whitecloak episode of season 1.
Mat - Didn’t fight Galad or Gawyn before leaving Tar Valon…but how could he? His father never taught him anything let alone how to fight with a bow staff…because Abel is a piece of crap now. Also, making him a bad gambler is going to force them to insert nonsense to “make him a good gambler.” When in the books he was always good, but the pattern slowly made him legendary at it through him being Ta’veren. There is no explicable reason why we should see him as Ta’veren yet.
Lan - There is no reason to believe he is remotely as talented with a sword as he should be. He has almost died more times than I care to remember at this point. He wouldn’t be cut with a Thakan’dar blade…but then again he also shouldn’t be crying every five minutes either.
It almost seems that this group of writers cannot comprehend the idea of sexual restraint. That they do not think it is believable that if you have sexual attraction towards someone that you would not immediately start having sex with that person.
They can't comprehend that concept because they're so busy pushing this modern morality where sex is like a handshake, it's just a way to get to know someone else.
Low impulse control.
This is a good example of how the creators of this show don't understand the significance of how deeply people get invested in a franchise. We've read these books for decades, and it literally shapes the way we speak and sound. In high school the Wheel of Time taught me more about grammar and punctuation than any classroom ever has. These book aren't something we read once and enjoyed; they're a part of our personal histories.
I started reading this in 90-91 timeframe, I believe. I was in the Army, stationed in Belgium. I loved "The Dragon Reborn" cover in hardback, so I bought the first three books, and was HOOKED. I watched I think, the first two episodes, and nothing since. I heartily agree with you.
The Winter's Heart book saved my life in Afghanistan. It stopped a piece of shrapnel from a rocket that would have quite possibly killed me otherwise. So that was helpful.
I like it more for the fact that it was a story that somehow managed to stay consistently good for over two decades of writing and over a dozen books long. That's so rare it's worth more than my life.
@@benjamintherogue2421 Spot on, Sir. I can believe his Robert Jordan's books are thick enough to stop a bullet. From an Army vet, glad you're still with us!
@@jtmh31 As I say to people, I for one am happy he was a verbose SOB! Glad to still be sucking air with you.
I got a warning on r/wot for saying that not a single scene from this episode is from the books.
They said “ that I had posted mis-information, by claiming the show has nothing to do with the books”
Oh! The humanity! Won't someone think of the children growing up in a heinous world?!?!?
LOL That reddit is heavily patrolled by the mods. Season 1 they were psychopaths muting people or straight up banning them from the reddit. There were a lot of complaints about the diversity in the show before it aired so they were quick to clamp down on anything at all that commented on that. Then they had those episodes with the openly gay/bi warders and hte guy that minecrafted himself joking about guess I'll have to be gay if he wants to be bonded by their Aes Sedai. I remember people complained about that and once again more bannings. I didn't get banned but got muted for 30 days... and gave up. I heard they were insta-banning people who posted on /r/whitecloaks because that's where everyone went to openly discuss the shows. Season 2 looks like they are still heavy handed. I posted something on there and got it removed due to it being lazy criticism. Basically, that reddit is run by over zealous mods who don't appreciate any criticism of the show. Best to stay away.
@@nicholascowling7052 I post on there criticizing the show all the time, so does MANY other people, there are countless posts there right now that are negative about the show, yet none of them are removed. So I guess that tells us more about how you choose to communicate than the mods there...
One of the things that appealed to me in the books is that from the start the three boys are innocent, virginal, awkward around women, especially beautiful women. Later in the story, the love scenes are implied, not racy and detailed and I appreciated this because I can share with grandkids. They have ruined the purity of the characters, it's interesting to watch these innocent characters be yanked out of their comfortable world and plopped right in the middle of pure evil and manipulation. It's interesting to watch how a group of bumpkins from the edge of nowhere grow and accept their destinies. Making them horny brats before they even meet the larger world is just stupid. It destroys all of the character arcs. I was always rooting for Rand to resist Lan Fear, I was rooting for Perrin to realize what a hunk of a man he really is, and though I never liked Faile she made a man out of him in the books. I also love Min in the books, how could they get her so wrong? I find nothing about this show that would suggest that this is the Wheel of Time, aside from character names. I might be wrong, but from the books I got that male and female need to work together, that neither should completely dominate in all things. There was no need to insert feminism in the show because there is plenty of it already in the source material The whole point is that patriarchy on it's own is destructive, but so is a matriarchy left without the balancing of the masculine. The show lost me from the first scenes of episode 1 season 1. Now I am re reading the series and watching Shad and Disparu for fun.
Well said. I am also only watching Shad and others for their reviews and re-listening to the audio books.
I was so angry in episode 1 when Rand and Egwene were just casually sleeping together. Like, what? Everything on TV has to fall in line with whatever agenda the mainstream is pushing out, over-sexualization is what derailed this train.
It's good you're not giving them any views. You sound like a proper fan of the source material who understood the characters. The villains who made this series deserve no views from anyone, much less someone who respected the books.
It's great watching the UA-camrs making profit over destroying these nonsensical hateful products. At this point I consider them the production budget for shows like Shad's, Disparu's, and Gary's channels.
In the books, Rand uses the power or in the dream world to LITERALLY BEARS HIS SOUL to Lanfear to show she means NOTHING to him.
Rafe: yeah that’s ‘love’, right?
As an American, I hate Hollywood.
One of the big points about channelers is that, even if they're omega powerful, they can die to mundane things. It's brought up several times and Rand is scolded by characters like Nynaeve and Moiraine for not being more careful, because EVERYTHING can fall apart if he's shot in the heart with an arrow by some random assassin. If you slit Lanfear's throat and then stab her through the fucking heart, she is DEAD. It doesn't matter if she's holding the True Power at the time; she's dead. And they also seem to be setting her up to be the strongest of the Forsaken because of course they are. I bet my boy Asmodean is getting written out of the show.
End of the series book spoilers ahead.
*This is the spoiler bit!*
Lanfear is finally defeated, by Perrin just straight up snapping her neck. She is trying to control him, to kill I think it's Nynaeve and Moiraine, and he pushes through the control just long enough to kill her, and that's it, she just dies. Perrin even falls to his knees and weeps about how he had to kill someone he loved, because that's what she was doing to him. It's a really good scene.
*Ok no more spoilers after this bit!*
It's a PERSISTENT part of the books that having the power DOESN'T make you invincible. Doesn't matter how absurdly powerful you are, steel cuts you just as easily as everyone else. Now you can be healed, sure, but you CAN'T heal YOURSELF and you can't heal DEATH. An arrow through the face, a blade in the heart, a broken neck or a 1000 foot fall? Those are all very fatal things. But they already HEALED DEATH in season ONE so what does any of it matter?
@@haku8135 Exactly this. One of my favorite aspects of channelers is that no matter how powerful they are, they're still human beings with regular fleshy bodies that are just as fragile as anyone else's. *FINAL BOOK SPOILERS* If they're going with the "Forsaken can't be killed by mortal means" garbage, that completely derails Lan killing Demandred during the Last Battle. It's one of the most noteworthy parts of the entire series, and it calls back to Lan's early series lesson to Rand on "sheathing the sword" as a sword technique. That's out the window, it seems. They genuinely just don't seem to give a damn about the source material, and I highly doubt Rafe has ever finished a single WoT book.
@@falx94 The only thing that gives me comfort is knowing there's NO way this piece of shit show is getting anywhere NEAR the last battle. I don't believe for a second they'll get enough seasons to even approach Dumai's Wells.
@@falx94 " that completely derails Lan killing Demandred during the Last Battle. It's one of the most noteworthy parts of the entire serie"
Really? I can't even remember that, and it's not that long ago that I finished the series. Though the entirety of the last two book were kind of confusing and disappointing after all that build up. But I can't really imagine anything being that satisfying after so many books, the expectations had been raised too high by that point. The most memorable moment of the last books for me was the cursed zombie city that Mat travelled through.
I think they are preempting the required casting changes when forsaken get resurrected by the Dark One in new bodies.
They will, of courae, let Balthael/Halima/Osangar body change happen because "man in a woman's body" is aligned with their insanity.
If Rand didn't fall for Lanfear's seduction, that would mean that he was getting the best of her, & the feminist writers can't have that.
Oh, boy. Rings of Power Gandalf is here.
Many might not know this, but not only is Gary a former comic book shop owner but he's also an accomplished sword swallower.
I'm sure he swallowed shad's sword a lot he looks like it
i heard he can swallow a sword with his anus as well...
And his wife had a hairdressing business
@@leedobson and Ben Shapiro's wife is a doctor.
Not sure if that's a euphemism or not.
One thing that worried me was when Logain said 'he's as strong as I was'. Have they forgotten their own rewrites again (when they made him weaker than Egwene of all people) or have they changed it so that the Dragon Reborn, the most powerful channeler ever (that we see) is now weaker than quite a few high level Aes Sedai?
I had to step away for 10 minutes when Logain said this
They should have added to that scene where Logan says, “He’s as strong as I was, and he hasn’t even finished “growing” yet.” It was pretty established in the books that as they continued to channel they got more powerful until they hit their peak. Just like aes Sedai…
How would he even know how strong he is when he can't even channel anymore? I know, they don't care, they're half-assing everything.
@@Bacchian if I remember correctly they can still see the one power but are just not able to touch it when severed. It has been a minute and I may be wrong, but to your point they are half-asking many things.
@@randy5629 They can sense the Source after they're severed, but they can't sense the Power in others or see what they're doing. For men, sensing saidin in other men is already more difficult than it is for women unless they're holding the Power or actively channeling.
Top 5 Characters so far in season 2
1. Rafe's boyfriend
2. Horny Warder#2
3. Liandrin
4. Anvaere
5. Min in the 40th age of the wheel
The next 4 episodes will be all about the girls and how they don't need a man to save them, much like in the book, We might get a scene at the end where Rand grabs Callandor and says he is leaving to the wastes.
Rafe is really out of his depth with this material. Shame I was excited for this series. I should have known that this was going to happen. Only silver-lining is that the writers strike and actors strike will kill this travesty.
another turning of the wheel and we can move on :)
Productive.
Positive.
Well put.
Thanks for sharing!
Have the Aiel appeared in this show yet?
“We search for he or she who comes with the dawn”
And they probably will wear armor and fight with 9’ swords and wear gold chains with clocks and ez e shades and all have aids and be on food stamps and live in tents in a place called reuidangelas with the wise one named Nancy in charge who is open secretly a darkfriend and lesbian but also moraine and Rand’s mum.
Can we just officially change the name of this show to Wheel of Crime due to how criminal the writing is?
🥁
Sometimes evil people are just evil, whether through ambitions or greed or even a natural inclination for random acts of cruelty.
To try and make a true villain seem sympathetic, while they steal babies to turn into their own personal soldiers from the parents of whom they murdered or will send their own unrecognizable child in the future to murder them later if the parents survived the attempt to form a resistance, well... it is beyond the pale to want to like someone like that.
I can imagine the villain telling the stolen child they killed their own parents and the child replying with 'Good'.
Good villains make us loathe their existence.
If the villain also likes to unrelentingly punt puppies and kittens as a form of leg day exercise and burn down orphanages to warm up the general area because it got a little bit nippy... well if at that point if you can still sympathize with them, then you might be a combination of spoiled, rich and possibly psychopathic.
2 out of 3 and that ain’t bad… oh wait.
I've never met a liberal who wasn't living a lavish lifestyle off of their parents money.. or wasn't spoiled. Or.. more on the psychopathic side.
I wonder who's writing these scripts and.. oh.
Well that's the tag line though. They want to be represented 1 for 1 in modern shows.
Quite telling it would seem.
Shad and Gary. What a killer combo. Awesome, destroy them together.
yes except gary hs never heard of the books or watched any ogther episode. this is just a fake forced collab video sadly
There's an interaction between Rand and Lanfear that is my favorite, where Lews Therin breaks through and Rand yells, 'You only love power!' The shock Lanfear has in this moment of the books always stood out to me.
Not going to get anything that stands out in this series it seems.
No it's going to be all Lews Therins fault, he will probably cheat on Lanfear to get with Illyena if they even remember her.
actually, in a way, that's what happened, lanfear was lews' partner for years until he met ilyana....lanfear went to the dark side to spite lews therin, 'a woman scorned'....@@tomgibbons8906
"Large fan base, you'd think this would be an important show and would be approached respectfully"
Me: "Reminds me of another show with the exact same issue"....... Stares at Rings of Power............
The lack of "timeless features" on the Aes Sedai is going to be yet another plot hole they are going to have to build a bridge over because in the books there are several points where having those features is used against them by their enemies.
I just cannot get over how much I DESPISE how they've cast Lan. He looks and act NOTHING like what he's described and drawn as.
There's so much other crap I just realized something. Why are the warders training INSIDE the Tower? They specifically have their own complex where they live and train behind it...... So they changed it so that Nynaeve can do all this bs they made up?
A lot of the sets look uncanny or just flat out fake.
I just want a collab with Disparu, someone else who knows the books and can add to the discussion.
Not gonna lie. I subbed because of your message to young men video. That hit me, and I am age 46. This Wheel of Time travesty, though. Yeah. This deserves to be mocked mercilessly.
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welcome welcome to the crew!
There’s a flashback scene in the books when Suian Sanche says her & Moiraine were in the office of the then Amyrlin seat when the Aes Sedai who died after foretelling the re-birth of the Dragon (Rand) occurred.
They were only newly raised & they were sworn to secrecy sent out to hunt for him to secure him so they can help ready him for the last battle. So that’s only 18- 20yrs as full Aes Sedai. Moiraine also met Lan while out searching for the Dragon reborn, as the only clue they had was from the foretelling. So she was hunting for all males born on that day & crossing them off her list.
Also the blue ajah of which Moiraine is a member of maintained the spy network agency & Siuan Sanche was the head of that network.
There’s not a hope in hell any member of that spy network would turn traitor for a non One power user. So that whole plotline makes zero sense.
Also how does Moiraine know how to deal with Lanfear? Especially this new zombie can’t die version of Lanfear that never fkn happened in the book… 🤷♀️
Another character assassination is the one against Min, they’re implying that she’s a dark friend
I wish they had done at least 1st season as new spring or made a movie long prequel to establish Morraine and Suian for them to have the spot light then and there. They have ruined both characters in portrayal and casting when they could have been great
Yep. The showrunners keep painting themselves into corners. Now that they've done this, how will they handle Birgitta's silver arrow peircing a certain Forsaken's chest, just barely missing her heart? The insidious forsaken behind this production wield plot-balefire, not caring what happens to the pattern as they only want to demoralize the audience and destroy heroic figures. This isn't just irresponsible and childish writing, this is intentional sabatage.
@@jpeg.jordaan If Rafe wanted a WoT series with Moiraine as main character, he should have adapted New Spring.
I remember that in the books, Lan turns to sword practice as an emotional outlet. The witch that held his bond at the time was forcing him to have sex with her.
I can't stand to watch most new movies and shows these days. Keep up the good work both of you
I watch them through clips from reviews. They are physically painful otherwise.
I think House of the Dragon was the last modern show from the West that I've watched. I stick to Kdramas now cause they do whatever they feel like doing, diversity be damned. I know what I'm watching is them attempting to tell a story, not preach at me.
@@annienunyabiz6627 My dad loves the Korean shows, he's completely given up on western media. He even started drinking Soju which i believe is the "traditional" Korean alcohol of choice
Yup good looking Asian women ... oh terrible!@@NoPantsBaby
@@annienunyabiz6627 Korea is one of the most homogenous countries in the world. It makes sense to make their shows one way to appeal to their audience. A show made for British or American audiences makes decisions to appeal to their country's cultural identity. It just makes sense even if you don't care for it.
I've been raging about this show and utterly conflicted to not watch more. This feels like a support group for those who have read the books.
Even the Shannara Chronicles was done better AND THAT'S SAYING A LOT.
I actually enjoyed that show.
It was a weird adaptation. A mix of the books.
The Seeker was a joke with pretty people. I watched it as well.
@@ardendragoonI was ok with The Legend of the Seeker at first because I was starving for fantasy. Then it got ridiculous and was really cheesy and Game of Thrones then came out and showed what someone who liked the source story looks like. (At first. F$ck those guys.)
I used to get upset that they couldn't even get hair color, or basic outfits right. Now we're in an age of complete race-bending and plot destruction in order to follow the woke agenda. Indeed, 'Shannara' and 'Legend of the Seeker' weren't so bad now in comparison. They were essentially Zena and Hercules clones adapted to books, but not disrespectful slaps in the face to the source material.
The second book has a perfectly clear cut goal and direction, probably the most obvious of the entire series. Catch up with Padan Fain who announced he's going to Toman Head and recover the Horn of Valere. But this abomination, what are they even doing? As one guy in the comments said, the whole plot is unravelling like the pattern itself, so many threads have been burned out of it already.
I bet a lot of us are thinking along those lines. The screenrunners essentially burnt Uno out of the pattern. How will certain characters meet up with The Prophet later, or the War break out in Amadicia between the Dragonsworn and Whitecloaks? Then they have to invent new reasons for Perrin to be sent by Rand to find Masema ... and the list goes on. The ripple effect is already soo deep, especially with how they've handled the Oathrod and such, that the book plots are already fubar.
It's absolutely hilarious and extremely disheartening that the show has reduced Rand's character to the point that, so far, his season 2 story can be summarised as just being Lanfear's rentboy.
Well considering that they reduced his character to Egwene’s boyfriend in the previous season, we can’t be too surprised. I honestly can’t think of a single conversation he has that doesn’t relate to Egwene. The man literally had the fate of the world in his hands and still the only thing he could talk about was his girlfriend. But don’t worry next season he’ll probably be Min’s plaything because that’s character growth, right?
Lanfear is thr most powerful female forsaken. She loses out in stregthn to rahvin, demandred, ishamael, sammael, aginor.
She is argued to be able to potentially match uo against the males except ishamael due to having greater dexterity and speed with weaves. Basically in a duel she gets off the first shot.
Semirhage has the same strength in saidar, according to the WoT Companion.
@@Bacchian as far as power levels go there is variance in a level.
Think like inches how many centimeters make an inch than think how many militmeters in a centimeter.
@@janaanklassen87 That's so, but there isn't much to suggest either one's stronger than the other. Sort of like Ishamael and Rahvin.
@@Bacchian actually ishamael is stronger than rahvin. It's clearly stated.
Jsut like it's clearly stated lanfear is the strongest woman.
@@janaanklassen87 You're probably referring to The Great Hunt, but keep in mind not everything is reliable narration. It also suggests Lanfear is the second strongest Forsaken, when we know all of the male Forsaken can hold more of the Power.
Funny difference between the series and the books:
Cutting off a Sister from the One Power is so catastrophic that just shielding a full Sister alone was like a major breach of etiquette. Actually STILLING one, and breaking the Warder bond was similar to amputation, so spiritually painful that the ladies want to kill themselves and the Warders go mad, running towards death because their anchor on reality was violently broken. 1% survival rate.
In the TV series? I guess it makes you cry a lot...
This content is 1000% better than the show itself.
And that's an understatement, honestly
"On top of my wife I was joined by the man Nerdrotic himself."
Guys, what you do behind closed doors is your own business.
Bro😂
This isn't Lanfear. Its Shameful how they have disregarded the enviousness that she has or her lust for power or how vain she is. She knows she is beautiful. She flaunts it and also she wouldn't be working as an innkeeper. She would kill a noblewoman. Use the power to change her look like she did in the Aiel waste and be in a place of luxury and power. Plus I want to see Nynaeve pull her braid just once. If they wanted to know their characters. Pick up the last book and read the chapter after the last battle which is called Those who fight. It was about a woman with a secret, a hope for a future. A womam who had hunted the truth before those could. A woman who had give her life then had it returned. (Moiraine) It was about a man whose family was taken from him, but who stood tall in his sorrow and protected those he could. (Perrin) It was about a woman who refused to believe that she could not help, could not heal those who had been harmed. (Nynaeve) It is about a hero who insisted wth every breath that he was anything but a hero. (Mat) There is more in the chapter but this is the main motivation of all the characters that Rand realizes when he is fighting Shaitan. I don't want to disrepect Lan's one one the list since it is the best and the final that Rand throws in the dark one's face. If you were to make the character's be who they are. This is the best guide that Jordan/Sanderson gave us. I am also a Charleston SC native. Robert Jordan was born here and stay his entire life in our city. He is a local hero and I am tired of these bastards destroying the one big famous author from my home town.
Just reading your comment gave me CHILLS because I remembered the books. THE BOOKS ARE SO BLOODY GOOD!
Lanfear is so power hungry she'd rather throw her beauty away entirely if it meant she was still in a position of power. In the wastes the choices of who Lanfear is is between this super fat woman who is basically in charge of the merchants, or a prettier servant girl. Lanfear basically says "What's a few layers of fat in exchange for power?"
Reading the second book again, Selene talks about power and glory NON-STOP. In ANY situation, she's like "The horn Rand, the horn! Glory, we could rule the whole WORLD together! Think of the glory and power!"
That's her ONE goal. When they've just blown up half a building with fireworks and they're trying to run away, Selene just gets annoyed at how unambitious Rand is and walks away, then (you realize this later on) she just starts controlling the illuminators' minds so she can be escorted out. She can TELEPORT, turn invisible, hell she could just make a staircase and walk away. But she doesn't do any of that, she uses her power to make herself the most important person in the area that everyone will bend the knee to.
This character is the OPPOSITE of Lanfear in just about every way.
Tai'Shar Charelston! R.J. gave us wonderful characters; believable, relatable heroes. They want to demoralize society by destroying our heroes, and thus we are in a culture war. This production is proof that the showrunners are as bad as the Forsaken; wielding plot-balefire, destroying the pattern the authors wrote, just to get at the book fans. As I have come to say about this and many other shows, they stand on the shoulders of giants, only to piss on their graves. We must take Lan's advice to say a prayer and ride on.
I wasn't expecting a shot for shot adaptation of the entire Wheel of Time series. There's a really interesting interview with Brandon Sanderson where he was speaking about the first Harry Potter book being basically a shot for shot remake of the book, and how it was the least interesting movie. And I agree.
That being said, I made a huge mistake going into Wheel of Time tv series, that I have made throughout my personal life as well. I naively went in hearing what I wanted to hear and paying more attention to and trusting what people (Rafe Judkuns in this case) said and not their actions. Never trust things coming out of people's mouths over what their actual actions are.
What I heard was "I am a Wheel of Time super fan, and I have hired Sarah Nakimura as our book source expert. I am consulting with Brandon Sanderson and Harriet."
I should have known better than to trust someone who in one of the pre-show materials he unveiled Thom's GUITAR. Thom's primary instrument is the HARP. Why unnecessarily change this one small detail? Unless you are planning to change literally everything about a series that is primarily feminist to begin with.
Like I said, I was not expecting a shot for shot adaptation. But what I was not expecting a so-called "super fan" to brutally rape and dismember a beloved book series for their own woke agenda.
Thibg is Harry Potter is successful for being a shot for shot or at l3ast close.
All successful adaptations are close.
Look at OPLA, it's got some changes but it's almost a 1:1
Yeah, no one really expected a shot-for-shot remake of the books. Anyone who isn't an idiot knows you can't adapt everything from a novel into a movie / TV show, particularly a series of novels as massive as _The Wheel of Time._ But these idiots have completely cut out huge swathes of material that's legitimately critical to the story and replaced it with shit they've made up that in no way fits with the story, themes, and characters.
I can even accept the combination of multiple characters into a single character. For example, I think combining Hurin and Elyas could work...if handled properly. In the books, Hurin's ability comes out of nowhere, and after _The Great Hunt,_ Hurin is barely mentioned, and his ability is completely absent. As such, the combination could work. That being said, combining Elaida and Liandrin is completely nonsensical, as both are incredibly important to the story _as individual characters._
I'm confused maybe. You say you hear what you want to hear - but that people are also lying?
Typically, when people say they 'hear what they want to hear' means that the person speaking isn't lying, but you still ignore it and twist the meaning into something you do want to hear. It shouldn't have anything to do with Rafe's actions. It would be him telling you - "I'm going to change everything and make it my version of a turning of the wheel but not THE turning of the wheel from the books..." And you then thinking, "Sweet, he's going to keep it all unchanged and make a perfect adaptation."
Am I mistaken?
Also, how does a simple change in prop practicality - a guitar is easier to carry, use and recognize for common viewers than a harp - indicate to you that they are going to LITERALLY change EVERYTHING about the show that is feminist to begin with? What does a guitar vs. a harp have to do with feminism? And how does it lead to raping a show for a political agenda?
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on Rafe's agenda...but I don't see any evidence you give here that would prove he's doing anything other than making his own turning of the wheel version inspired by the books.
Thoughts for a healthy debate?
@@justinreid6718 ok for one no one wants a different turning,
Two turnings don't work like this as is showcased in the books through birgitte
3 when you adapt somethibg you keep the story the same.
Changing a prop does one thibg it shows your lack of attention to detail. The little things matter. In the grand scheme of things him having a guitar wouldn't have been terrible but they screwed up the story in the opening 30sec monolgue
@@justinreid6718 The whole 'Another turning of the wheel" is a big lie that basically allows them to do what they want. And what they want is to use the characters and setting from the WOT to tell their own story. The writers seem to loathe the book material and actively have gone out of their way to destroy the material. Season 1 was the Moiraine show and season 2 is shaping up to be the Liandrin series. Our heroes out thrown in the backseat of the story while girl bosses take center stage. I think a lot of people believed that Judkins and his crew were going to be respective towards the book material and try to honor it in their show but this has continuously proven to not be true. Honestly, it only feels like the male characters are in the show because they are central to the series. (Other than Lan who gets a lot of screen time and turns out to be a big f'ing puss.) Also, that titty twisting meme of him from season 1 still perfect encapsulates how I feel about his character.
In Wheel of Prime Lanfear is the most powerful Forsaken and just you wait Moghedien will be the bravest and Graendal will be played by Lizzo.
Tell your girlfriend she looks just like Lizzo 😂
To see Gary sitting in a Gambeson right next to Shad make me laugh really hard. Shads forgotten Twin Brother.🤣
Mat having no luck, Min being a dark friend, the Cahrien section, the death of Uno, the Seanchan pacifiers, Logain in the asylum, Rand in love with Lanfear, Lan not caring about Nyneve. It seems to be that the creators want to destroy all memory of the mastery that is the books; the characters, the storyline, the message, the philosophy, and the foundation of the world.
It's less Wheel of Time than the Starship Troopers movie was Starship Troopers.
@@ctrlaltdebug at least Starship Troopers, if unintentionally, does a decent job of portraying a libertarian society even if it is dressed up to be fascistic. Sargon of Akkad does a good breakdown of this.
The big issue with forsaken not dying to sword wounds is this completely derails LANS massive fight in book 14 vs demandred.
You have made the assumption that they are concerned that they ruined any of the male characters...See where you went wrong. He needs to take a backseat to Nynaeve so she can demonstrate her girl boss abilities and that means making cuts to lesser characters.
This change looks like a pretty clear signal that they're going to take his big moment in The Last Battle away. Of course I doubt they're thinking that far ahead.
Well, in Demandred case decapitation is pretty severe sword wound to be true ))))
@@tetrisint if they keep the Lan - Demandred fight, it makes Moiraine look even more moronic for not decapitating her, though it's not like the show seems to care about consistency, so who knows.
Firstly, bold of you to assume they’ll make it that far. Secondly, bold to assume that events from the book will be depicted in the show. Finally, bold to assume the writers care that this will be a problem, since it will probably be someone else’s problem to clean up the mess
Thank you for your sacrifice so we don't have expose ourselves to this filth.
In the books, Moiraine is approximately 50 years old when she and Lan go to the Two Rivers (in New Spring, Cadsuane insults Moiraine repeatedly, including cryptically referencing thirty years, which makes everyone gasp because Sisters do not talk about age). Regarding Moiraine finding Rand, we are supposed to presume that Moiraine has capitulated to her sister, sat down to tea, and humored her enough to get the answers she needs. Regarding Logain, it is presented during her confrontation with Logain that Moiraine got him sent there, rather than be kept in the Tower. So she has always known where Logain was. What we don't yet know, and may never find out, is how Rand found Logain.
Magical TV plotholes so they don't have to indroduce Asmodean and Rands epic mountain leveling fight with him in the wastes
The thumbnail shows Shad genuinely turning into a demon. But Gary looks like he's enjoying the destruction.
In the leaked script Moraine is in her 40s when she heard the Prophecy that the dragon was reborn. So Moraine can only be in her 60s and her younger sister can't be in her 70s
We can confirm that the actress' age is wrong because they bring up that their uncle started the Aiel War. To be king he would have to be the oldest child. 70+ year old wouldn't be on the battlefield. Thus blood snow couldn't happen if he was that old. 60s are pushing it. His sibling would need to be near his age to have Moraine to be in her 40s. If the sibling was up to 20 years younger then Moraine could only be in her 20s and would have only just been born. But that would make her sister only in her 20s now. The only way the her sister could be that old would be if she was the older sister.
If they wanted to show Aes Sedai slowed aging, why not make them twins? We see what Moraine should look like vs what she is.
I would really like to know from none book reader's if they get what's going on with Perrin? I feel like they just completely messed him up and they're just hanging onto Mat so maybe he can have a story later? lol
As a non-book reader, prior to this last episode, he was obviously spiritually connected to wolves, they helped hum multiple times, and his character arc looked like it would be one of violence versus non-violence. That he would struggle with his wolf nature and assume it was a violent nature but actually the violence of wolves is not the violence of humans....after this episode it seems the wolf connection is much stronger and more concrete. It is a really super power, though it's still hard to see what broad reach it could have that makes him such a vital part of the pattern. mini-big bad turning up and telling him being more wolf brings him closer to the dark kinda confirms for me that his future peace and completion as a character will come from learning that 'the wolf' is not the problem, and it will be possible to find harmony between his wolf power and his preference for non-violence.
Gary joining the Knightswatch!! 🤩 What an awesome surprise - and true bonus!
Please consider a regular repetition :)
Making Moiraine the main character in Wheel of Time is like putting all the focus on Gandalf in Lord of the Rings.
They're AWESOME characters, everyone loves them, but they're not the MAIN characters. This isn't THEIR story. If they wanted to do HER story, they should've adapted New Spring. I doubt they even know that book exists.
I'm reading through Great Hunt again. Moiraine appears a little bit at the beginning in Fal Dara to tell the Amyrlin about Rand, but after leaving Fal Dara, she has ONE chapter, that's it. For the second book, that's pretty much the whole thing, we dip in to see what she's up to, we learn a few important details, and she gets attacked and LAN saves her, with another Warder's help, they fight a VERY dangerous creature that is really cool that was cut entirely from the show.
Since I've gotten to the point in the book recently, Liandrin. She is NOT in the book much at all, the ONLY time she's shown up is TO do the thing she does. She isn't loitering around teaching the girls, she's GONE, Elaida is around sometimes mostly harassing Min, but LIANDRIN is not around. She just storms into Egwene's room, kicks Min and Elaine out, and then says "Rand's in trouble, come with me."
More substantial book spoilers after this point.
Elaine and Min listen in on the conversation, and decide to come with Egwene and Nynaeve. Liandrin, after seeing the 4 of them, remarks she was going to have the two of them KILLED while she took Egwene and Nynaeve away. She says she was going to have them TAKEN CARE OF, and she plays it off as she arranged for them to be PROTECTED from the Black Ajah, cause they're known friends of Egwene and Nynaeve, and thus would be in danger. It's very clear she intended to have them assassinated. Then she basically says "Fine, this works too. Let's go."
Then she takes them THROUGH THE WAYS, and gives them to the Seanchan as slaves to be tortured and treated as animals, LITERAL pets.
THIS IS THE CHARACTER THEY DECIDED DESERVED SYMPATHY!
The people making this show are SCUM. To make matters worse, they're also incompetent.
Love seeing Gary and Shad in the same room! Long live the Fellowship!
When Lanfear channels, it shimmers, which is supposed to represent the True Power, derived from the Dark One. (See Dragonmount, the prologue to The Eye of the World, and Ishamael's channeling). Also, in the last look at Lanfear's corpse, you see the saa floating in her eyes, a symptom of channeling the True Power. But most importantly, she isn't dead. Which departs from the books, because the forsaken most certainly can be killed. And while the Dark One can restore their spirit into another body, dead is dead and is never Healed.
I could be off here, but as far as I can recall Ishamael was the only one of the forsaken to be granted access to the true power since the breaking. Before the buildup to the last battle he granted access to it very rarely, and using it has consequences which would make a character like Lanfear hesitant to use it.
@@tomgibbons8906Rand also uses it to kill Semirhage in The Gathering Storm (When she's using the male a'dam to force him to strangle Min).
@@historymax5479 True, even this could be explained by Rand's balefire connection with Moridin though
Happy to see Shad and Gary meet in person.
I read that as “meet in prison” at first, lol!
@@Señor-Donjusticia
Well AirstripOne is practically a prison with all the anti British laws it has.
@@Señor-Donjusticia Lol
One thing I must point out about Lan apparently not knowing what to do without the Bond, is the fact that book Lan knows _exactly_ what he'd do without the bond, and that's go back to the Borderlands and help in the fight there. Exactly what he was headed to do before Moiraine snagged him up.
The _only_ reason he chose to be Moiraine's Warder, (New Spring spoiler), is because Moiraine's cause and motivation is to find Rand, the Dragon Reborn, which would be a much greater blow to the Dark One's efforts in the Blight than Lan could accomplish by himself. So, because her cause is to strike such a blow to the Dark One, Lan decides he's better off supporting Moiraine as her Warder.
I also want to mention that it's become even more apparent that Rafe is giving the women more agency in this story than the male characters, especially Rand. This is through established power structure. In the scene where Moiraine talks to Logain, Logain says Rand has as much Power as he use to, before being gentled. Previously, S01E04, Lan asks Moiraine if Egwene is more powerful than Logain, to which she's unsure. But somewhere, in this season I think, can't remember where, someone outright says Egwene _is_ more powerful than Logain. Then you remember S02E01, Alanna very clearly states Nynaeve is _ten times_ more powerful than Egwene! Hence, Egwene is more powerful than Rand, but Nynaeve is 10 times more powerful than either. Good job Rafe! Grr.
One nice thing with stabbing Lanfear in the heart with a sword and cutting her throat is, just as it is with our protagonists, death is a mere inconvenience. There are literally zero stakes in this show anymore, if there ever was, they certainly didn't establish any right from the beginning. I guess we'll just enjoy Lan's slow journey into becoming a hippy. 😁🤨😢
The character assassination of Min is an absolute sacrilege! She was seriously one of the most wholesome characters in the books! She was Rand rock and his grounding point in his darkest hours! Ugh. RIP Min....
One small correction, not that it's all that important in this show, but both you and your wife keep referring to Alanna as Leana. Unless I'm mishearing you.
"But somewhere, in this season I think, can't remember where, someone outright says Egwene is more powerful than Logain."
Noone said this, and also remember that when Logain states that Rand is "as powerful as him", that doesn't mean Rand is also MORE powerful as him. Logain was just shocked that someone could match him in power, it probably never occurred to him that Rand could even surpass him. The women's agency have been more or less removed here, even Min couldn't rescue herself, and they mostly talk about the men, and how they need men to give their lives meaning...
Ah shit here we go again x4.
I found the whole Liandrin arc so far so fricking stupid.
Why did she attack the 3 right there in the tower if she wants to take them to Falme? What happened in the book made so much more sense. This just creates more work for Liandrin.
Min taking Mat to the cleaners at dice really pissed me off, but hey.. what doesn't in this failed abortion of a show?
Well to be honest in book 1 Mat was often being taken to the cleaners at dice. It was not until he was taken to the White Tower in book 3 and healed from the curse of Shadar Logoth that her really begins to manipulate luck and takes EVERYONE to the cleaners in..... just about everything possible.
The books are actually a warning against feminism.
The books also highlight the sin of pride and how power corrupts.
Also highlighted is the binary complementary aspect of male and female.
Pride and power corrupts - it had nothing to do with male or female. In this world, females have a majority control over power and the world, but WHOEVER is in charge is easily corruptible. I don't see this as an argument against feminism so much as against overpowered people.
No, they are not. The show might be, but the books were very intentionally pro-feminism and depicted a world with a balance of power between the sexes. The only warning was that they have to cooperate.
@@amys0482The Forsaken also gave equal places to women, showing that feminism is evil.
Besides, this is a science-fiction world and the people aren't human. In the species of people in The Wheel of Time, babies don't need their mothers at home. All the babies are at home alone, presumably feeding themselves, while their mothers are out being independent.
With humans in our own world, the real world, women can't fight men or even win the world chess championship against men. In every job with a score - sports, chess, or making money - women are unable to compete equally against men. Women can only claim equality in the jobs where the results aren't clearly defined.
The books were feminist, this show is not. The books also had a non-binary character. I suggest you read them again...
@@LordSenile The books showed that, even if a man's body was changed to look like a woman's, he could still only use the male half of the power and not the female half. Because he'll always be a man no matter what he looks like.
As for the show, each episode introduces at least 1 new woman or little girl just so she can be brutally murdered.
If they persist with this writing decision that forsaken cannot die by mortal means then that means Lan wont kill Demandred. That was one of Lan's most badass moments.
Maybe then Rand will shoot him in the back with Balefire once he is distracted from his head being chopped off… unless… There can be only one! 😂
At this rate it will be Alanna who will kill Demandred
Min takes on the Dark One at Shayol Ghul
@@MrBlurredOut Olver’s horse accidentally kicks over a lantern one night and the resulting fire is enough to kill Lanfear.
I mean..let's be fair here...this show is probably not going long enough for Demandred to actually appear at all.
Although I haven’t watched the show, I overall agree with what I heard here (a bit of common sense and the fact that I read books certainly helps with this).
But I note that at (57-00) where you discuss why Rand ran away and didn’t cut off Lanfear's head, let me remind you that Rand had big problems with killing/harming women. At least until the 12th book, where Semirhage, using the male A'dam, forced him to try to kill Min, and as a result, the Forsaken herself was killed by Rand balefire. Moiraine on the other hand would not hesitate for a second and do what needs to be done. So yeah, running away doesn't make sense anyway.
P.S. trusting Shad, subscribed and took note of the channel Nerdrotic, if the content is interesting, I will stay. But I couldn’t find the channel of the second person present in the video - a woman, whose name/nickname I couldn’t clearly hear when Shad addressed her (9-45) - "ExWy girl" or something like that. Shad, or someone who knows, can you help with this? (direct link to channel preferred)
Dude - you really want to go through life blindly following advice from a UA-camr? I like Shad too, but watch a show and make your own decisions before 'overall agreeing' with an online review.
My favourite part of the books is where the girls are struggling to dream walk and get ambushed. While fighting for their lives, Perrin comes through, chasing another wolf brother, as if it is the most natural thing in the world to do. Cannot wait to hear how the program is going to spin that.
Perrin pulling up in the wolf dream and leaving the ladies flabbergasted is one of the best running gags. I also like Elayne learning how to swear.
The girls will learn to dreamwalk with a few minutes and will save Perrin from another wolf
The plot is soo furbar already, I don't think they plan on making it that far. I'm almost certain they are just creating this to demoralize people, and get some money out of a few seasons. Season one and the way they did Oaths worry me more, as that's the specific issue of a certain young lady gaining Seat- to avoid spoilers. The whole thing pivots around the Oaths, and with those messed up they'll have to invent some B.S. to raise her. Additionally, how are the Black Ajah going to be exposed? They've ruined the book plots already.
I think I know how the story will end in the show. Rand and Mat will become new Forsakens, and it will be up to Moraine (remember, she is the main character here), the girls, and maybe Perrin and Liandrin to stop them and the Dark One.
It keeps surprising me that there are people enjoying this show...
Lol whoever thought Billy Zane would outdo Amazon Prime! Thank you for your service, these reviews are very therapeutic.
Yeah it shows just how gutted Harriet would be. She was furious about Billy Zane's film, but this series is rubbish. She must be locked into not saying anything negative by contract. Just like George Lucas is with Star Wars. But at least in the case of Star Wars we know George's true opinion from what his wife has said.
I would actually prefer Billy Zane as Ishamael :D
"That's right Boolander; you better listen to your friend, Billy Zane." -Hansel
Great channels that have covered this this in depth, Prophet of the Dragon, Salty Traveling C, A Man of Manetheren, and The Whitecloaks. Yeah I'm shilling for them. Also a first time reader on the Shadow Rising
Wife asked me to watch season 1 when it happened. I had some questions as it went but let it go....she was mostly just happy it existed as she loves the books.
I however lost my mind with the episode near the end of the season with some silly tower defense where the tactics were crap and then a couple women just save everything from the horde. Asked her why they didn't just do that to start then and was told the book was different. Also asked why these two novice women twice pretty much cured death and she couldn't defend it. Then asked if agelmar was a dick in the books or if they just did that so morraine could belittle him and she was like, no the northmen are very respectful. Last one was if lews theron got a told you so from some random woman in the past about sealing the evil, nope they did what they had to......She lost all faith by the end of season 1 and now we are mostly hate watching to see how much they screw up.
But I read all 14 books minus the prequel in about 9 months after that season ended so it is fresher in my mind now than hers so we really can tear it apart.
You had no life for nine months 😂 love the books but still 😊
Nailed every frustration that all us book lovers have!!! I keep hearing "Flicker." I WIN AGAIN Lews Therin Telamon"
On the warder bond: The warder bond can be dissolved while both parties are still alive without any harm to the warder. Lan asking to be released is brought up when Moiraine and Lan argue over her arranging to have his bond passed if she should die. While I don't think it's mentioned what would happen to a warder when his aes sedai is stilled, I would imagine that it would be the same result. So Lan really shouldn't be so miserable over it anyway.
An American and an Aussie bonding over bad tv in England ❤
I regularly check IMDB to see who is portraying which character, why, because apparently I'm a masochist. With that out of the way, and because this show is ridiculously easy to predict, Mat and Min will meet up with Moiraine and Rand in Cairhien. They will then attend a meeting/ball with Barthanes Damodred, who will turn out to be Moiraine's nephew. I give it 50/50 odds as to whether he's a darkfriend or not, as it's clear that in the show Fain did not use the waygate at the Damodred estate to reach Falme. Moiraine and the other three will then use the gate to reach Toman Head (likely will be how the episode ends).
As for Perrin, somehow he and Elyas will become separated and Perrin will wander into some random village that is either under attack by the Seanchan, or soon will be. However this village will have Aiel, notably Aviendha who will lead the counter attack, driving off the Seanchan forces.
The three girls, Elayne, Egwene, and Nynaeve, we know from promotional material will arrive at Falme through another waygate, either unconscious or at least feigning to be. Again from promotional material, we also know that Egwene and Elyane will face off against the Seanchan in a wooded area, so we know they avoid capture at least for a while. However I give 50/50 odds that Egwene is never capture, or that Nynaeve is captured instead (and that is how her block is forcibly broken).
But most telling from the cast on IMDB, there are no actors/actresses set to portray the Heroes of the Horn. So either the Horn is not sounded during this season, or it is, but we get no interaction with the Heroes. I lean more towards the former.
In all honesty, Game of Thrones season 8 was a better love story than Wheel of Time season two.
I actually liked this one better than any of the previous three, as I think I prefer them doing their own shit thing to them doing a shit job adapting book stuff, but it was far from anything resembling good. My thoughts:
1. It makes sense Rosamund Pike is front and center in all marketing etc., because she's the only star the show has, and everyone else are nobodies.
2. Moiraine didn't say Lanfear was the most powerful best I can remember. She said she was the most dangerous, which I would tend to agree with, as Lanfear is the smartest of the bunch - which is especially true after Sanderson's last big WoT reveal he did a few months ago.
3. I actually liked the semi-transparent fuzzy images stuff for the way wolves communicate, as that's at least approaching how I pictured it in the books.
4. I think they were trying to show that Moiraine knew it was Lanfear because of that prophecy, but it wasn't executed well.
5. I think Rand's relationships were bound to be fucked up anyway, as there's no way feminist Rafe will do the canon polyamorous relationship, so they are bound to pick one of the three, and since Rand never met Elayne, and they're pairing Min with Mat in plot, who knows what the fuck they're going to do
24:00 it’s implied that Moiraine was able to figure out Lanfear was after Rand because he read Bayle Damon’s poem
My daughter loves you guys. She watched the episode with me and your review. She said your review was more entertaining. She also said Selene looks like Rand’s mom too.
A true rarity indeed! Shad and Gary together!! love it :D
YAY! X-ray girl too!! xD
Love seeing Shad and Nerd collaborating!
its very interesting to hear from a person that has not read the books at all, like myself! hail FNT and RealBBC!
Please start a petition to have the name of the series changed from WoT to: Rafe Judkins Presents Fan Fiction Using Names from the Writings of Robert Jordan. Please!
"On top of my wife, I was joined by the man Nerdrotic himself" 😆
I think we know who the 3rd wheel is :p
SHE DID WHAT!? THEY HAD LIANDRIN KNOCK THEM OUT!? WHY!? I JUST SAID HOW SHE GOT THEM TO THE SEANCHAN!
She barges into Egwene's room, sends Elaine and Min away, cause Min and them all are supposed to be FRIENDS, but they haven't even MET cause she's replacing THOM for some reason. Oh we all know the reason damn it.
Ahem. Liandrin says "your friends are in trouble, the Black Ajah is real, we need to go. Do this this and this."
An Aes Sedai ADMITTING the Black Ajah is real SHOCKS them to their cores, that's INSANE. Elaine and Min were eavesdropping, they demand to come too, and the 4 of them show up. Liandrin is like "I told you NOT to tell anyone, but fine, this'll work too."
She then takes them to the waygate, and because they think they're helping Rand, they literally get their own horses, get their own supplies, walk out of the Tower, and traverse the ways willingly. They come out the other end, and there's FIFTY Seanchan surrounding the exit, and Liandrin hands them over, but the handoff is interrupted when one of them starts channeling. In the confusion, Egwene is collared and taken away, and THAT is the reason she gets so good at channeling so quickly. She's basically being TORTURED and thrown in the deep end, where the Aes Sedai want to teach the girls slowly and safely. She also learns additional things about the power that helps her figure out some other very important things later on. This time as a Damane sets up the entire series, and it's IMPERATIVE that ONLY Egwene is captured. Cause if all THREE girls who can channel are caught, it's OVER. Done. They are SCREWED. If Liandrin's plan the SECOND that ONE extra person shows up is to KNOCK THEM OUT in a VERY blatant "I'm betraying you" kind of way, then she MUST have a plan to carry them all to the Seanchan and be collared. Otherwise she'd just do like she did in the books, accept she has one extra victim!
So for this scene to make ANY sense, the NEXT scene MUST be them waking up with collars around their necks. Cause Liandrin is an Aes Sedai, she would KNOW her only option to transport them all that distance is to keep them unconscious. If ONE of them starts channeling, she's basically screwed. Maybe she can shield ONE of them, but if all THREE start attacking her, especially if they get the drop on her, she is so screwed. Egwene, Elaine and Nynaeve are supposed to be the STRONGEST channelers alive right now. They haven't reached that potential YET, but they've supposedly spent MONTHS in the tower, so overpowering ONE Aes Sedai shouldn't be beyond them, especially for Nynaeve, who has FOUGHT AN ENTIRE ARMY!
Gary wearing the Shadiversity Gambeson is awesome!
0:20 We're all glad knowing that Shad was joined by Nerdrotic on top of his wife. Must've been a jolly time.
Ikr, my first thought made me laugh 😂😂
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who'd thought the same thing lol
Nerdrotic on top of his wife? Don't take that line out of context...
@@petery6432 No one here is taking it out of context. We're giggling at the words as they're spoken.
I thought it since season 1, so I just want to ask. Does anyone else think in terms of age, facial structure and height that the actress cast to play Moiraine is more suited to play Elaida? And that Liandrin's character up until this point more closely resembles Elaida?
Its weird. Liandrin is suan, . Suan is elaida.
It's all mashed up characters.
Yep. I've not watched since Episode 5 from the first season, so I'm not sure if Elaida has been introduced in the show, but it's pretty clear Raginor and the idiot writers have combined Liandrin and Elaida into a single character.
Moiraine is my least favorite casting out of them all (which is almost all of them). A great casting choice would have been Jenna Coleman. She fits the correct height and has a young enough look to her.
@@ChickenBiscuits Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.
@@ChickenBiscuits Jenna Coleman as Moiraine would have been great. I think Karen Gillan could have been a pretty solid Aviendha. Jenna Ortega as Egwene. Keep the current Elayne. Love her or hate her, I think Millie Bobby Brown could have pulled off a solid Min.
The actress playing Selene should have been cast as Elaida.
So far Liandrin has the most lines in the show cumulatively. Remember how Liandrin was in the great hunt and the dragon reborn?
Nerdrotic reading the books! Good work Shad!
I still think it's hilarious that Gary and Shad both had to leave their country to meet in person.
Moraine wouldn't have known Lanfear was channeling though. She is cut off from the source (maybe?)
Body language? Moraine has seen hundreds of women channel, even without hand motions.
Don't argue with logic, the rest of the series doesn't bother with it either.
Lanfear, a forsaken wich are constantly scheming against each other and are permanently on guar against backstabbing, was embracing the source which amplifies all her senses and still didn't hear the door open or the footsteps behind her ? The part where she is immortal just was the final middle finger to storytelling.
Agreed - this is the small, easy stuff that can be the glue for book readers who are feeling frustrated with the reimagined adaptation. There is no added budget, complex staging or costuming. Just simple rules from the books that should've stayed consistent. Good call,@@David_randomnumber
The most enjoyable part of this terrible season is watching the fans of the series agree with me about how crap this season is. Why Rafe had Rand sleep around so much is that the woke community find traditional relationships, the concept of the nuclear family and the idea of not sleeping around to be distasteful and morally wrong, hence why they have the characters act in no way like they act in the books. I really feel for Harriet. She is probably prevented from complaining by contract. I bet she is gutted though. Rafe should resign for the disaster. Amazon are being stubborn. They might have greenlit a third season before the second screened, but I imagine they will hold off agreeing to a fourth until the third is screened.
"Why Rafe had Rand sleep around so much is that the woke community find traditional relationships, the concept of the nuclear family and the idea of not sleeping around to be distasteful and morally wrong, hence why they have the characters act in no way like they act in the books."
This opinion, which you present in factual tone and language, is assumptive, illogical and simply wrong.
It's assumptive that Rafe is speaking for an entire community and that this community is morally against traditional, nuclear families. As a proud member of no community focused around political/cultural opinions being shared online, on certain issues I lean towards the 'woke community' as you put it, and my morals insist on the individual's ability to choose and see natural representation.
On that note, it's illogical to say Rafe has this agenda when he takes time to showcase Nynaeve's desire for the traditional nuclear family. All types of relationships are included, so there's no logical reason for you to focus on one and use it to say Rafe has an agenda. I doubt you think EVERY show, movie, game or comic with a male protagonist is a declaration of a male dominated society agenda by the creator. So why is this?
And you're wrong about characters not acting like they do in the books: Mat, Rand, Aviendha, Thom, MANY Aiel...these characters all sleep around before a traditional marriage.
I enjoy you analyzing and theorizing about the show, books, and the adaptation. Any retorts or responses for this? I love a healthy debate.
@@justinreid6718no his opinion is accurate thr woke community detests proper relationships..
You being a outlier is what's known as exceptions prove a rule.
Than you mention "my morales"
Morality is objective there is no "my" there is jsut morality.
Bynaeve has zero desire for a traditional family since she slept around like a 2 bit whore at rhe first opportunity.
@@justinreid6718next you strawman male main characters. In a terrible argument.
Guess what strong female characters don't push a declaration of a female dominated society or what ever your trying to claim.
Like seriously we have plenty of strong and proper female characters
Vin, shallan, teeter (yellowstone), Alice, selene the day walker, tomb raider.
All proper strong female characters with no agenda
Aviendha doesn't sleep around, thom does but he's form a city so 🤷, rand doesn't sleep around either.
You love a healthy debate while bringing nothing
@@janaanklassen87 Rand sleeps with both Aviendha and Min before he marries them.
@@justinreid6718"I love a healthy debate"
Lol sure, back under the bridge with ya.
I just can't believe they could ruin the wheel of time so hard. There was so much potential there for a great tv adaptation. I've never seen a show waste so much time on boring scenes that go nowhere
It would have been very limited due to the limitations set by Amazon limiting it to 8 seasons, of 8 episodes with 1 hour limit.
@@jsbrads1 Rubbish. Don't make excuses for this slop.
@@jsbrads1Dude that's still 64 hours of screen time. If it was really good & exploded in poularity they might've even added episodes for more run time. And they should've done what actually good adaptations do. Cut the fat & condense what they can including both characters & plot. While sticking to the main original story & keeping it's themes & spirit. Instead they've cut important good characters & plot & inserted their own drivel & agenda.
@@jsbrads1 Not really - a huge portion of the books is describing the weather, location, the local costumes and customs - all taken care of visually in an instant or two. Certainly expensive to do proper job of it. Hells this show has thrown all that out with the bathwater simply to sell Wokeness. No distinction in time/distance, peoples, places; that is their issue - they don't want to sell the 'Story'. In Jordan's 'world' over half the rulers where strong-ish woman - a feminist utopia; so why mess with it? They have ruined a good story all in a vain wish we lived that world today; it was stupid, expensive and pointless!
@@Gumdaar1 the Cairhein French before the collapse seems to be depicted 🤷
Gotta love Gary!!! Should have him guest more often 💯 Great Review & always a pleasure hearing from the Lady ❤
rings of prime vs wheel of prime.
Both prime crap
2:95 I have already read 4 parts and in the 3rd or 4th part of the series Moraine claims that Lanfear (Selene) is THE most DANGEROUS. Probably because she is the one who can influence Rand the most. The rest of the forsakens will probably mainly fight Rand.
Maybe a better phrasing than “on top of my wife”
Love seeing Gary and Shad hanging out, Friggin legends!
If this show makes it to the end of the story, I bet they are setting up Lanfear to have a redemption arc where she helps Rand save the world. Because they can't have a man do that face off alone and triumph.
Why would they need Lanfear for that when they use Egvene or Nynaeve? Actually in the books sealing the Bore is Rand, Nynaeve and Alanna working together to capture Ishamael and then seal it. A man can't do it alone because it requires both halves of the One Power to do it plus the True Power to prevent the contamination.
Ironically that's the one change I would really like the show to make compared to the books if they're going to change anything at all. Rand needed help from women in the books to seal the Bore because the whole point was a man couldn't do it alone (also Lanfear was mostly responsible for creating the Bore to begin with). Unfortunately though it seems the show is just makes things worse with changes as opposed to carefully executing a couple of the possible changes that would improve the books.
Wait, I'm confused. Why do you want this change - Rand by himself at the end -to be made? @@Sbeev
In the BOOKS a man couldn't do it alone, it took a combined effort of EVERYONE to win. In the show, Rand WILL probably just go off on his own and defeat the Dark One after all the women try to stop him, because this show seems to hate all the female characters for some reason. They probably won't even survive The Last Battle, or if they do they'll be too traumatized to even want to live.
Does anybody have a copy of the books they can spare to lend the writers? They obviously haven't read it.
I have two copies of them actually. Would gladly donate one if I thought they would even read the synopsis.
It's almost like they got offended book fans didn't like season 1, so they are purposely trying to butcher everything about the books in season 2 just to spite us. Not even trying to make a good show anymore, they're just trying to piss us off.
Ugh... all forsaken were very dangerous, but for varied reasons. Lanfear wasnt combat, her main gimmick was invading dreams of people- in which she mindcontrolled them. Normal humans had zero protection from it .. which allowed her to create traitors at will on every level of enemy command. But compared to Ishmael she was nothing.... that dude was basically Avatar of the dark one.
In the Last Hunt she is described as being the most powerful of all the Forsaken, apart from Ishamael, so "nothing" is quite an understatement...
No she is not... coz "she is weaker than all of the male Forsaken in terms of raw power " her dream magic gave her the position.
But tbh i understand why writers made it "Many of those who she interacted with, including virtually all of the other Forsaken, have expressed the sentiment that she had a vastly overinflated opinion of herself. She was proud, arrogant, presumptuous, and self-absorbed, actively betraying both her allies and her master in order to gain more power for herself."
Sounds like typical woketard isnt ?
@@LordSenile
@@AB-ln2py Yes she is, this is a DIRECT quote from The Last Hunt (chapter 8):
"Some said she had really been the most powerful of the Forsaken, next to Ishamael" And doesn't Moiraine believe that Ishamael is dead now? The quote is from when the Aes Sedai are discussing the prophecy that they read in the show, so whether it's true or not, it is what they believe about Lanfear at the time.
Dude... "Some said" that hearsay my man. And it never ever showed up in books during Forsaken interactions, Belal didnt give a damn about her. And after she got capped she got remade as the weakest of them all.
Not to mention Aes Sedai were dumb AF and didnt know 10th of what they claimed to know.
Bottom line, strenght is irrelevant once you know Balefire.. and all of them could use it.
@@LordSenile
@@AB-ln2pyPoint is, as I said, it doesn't MATTER if it was true or not, this is what the Aes Sedai, including Morraine, believed in the books at this point, and so far we've only heard Moirraine say it on screen, so that's just like the books.