4K Blu-Ray Disc vs Streaming vs Kaleidescape - The Shocking Truth
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Long term ripping is the most convenient because no studio can revoke your right to view it.
If you rip, it means you already own the disc right?
@@JilesMcCoyWell, someone owns it.
Does “already” owning the disc change his point? Ripping keeps your movies yours.
I don't think Kaleidescape will ever be in my budget unless there is a major price drop.
For the hardcore movie collector that is starting to replace 100s of DVDs and Blurays with UHD 4k I think Kaleidescape is a reasonable option.
For me I will keep collecting 4k discs that are on my must have list.
Kaleidescape won’t ever hit the radar for disc collectors. But it’s great for those that want the quality without the disc.
So no one that I can find has done an actually comparison of the actual media. The file size means very little. The type of compression is the compression variable is it CBR or VBR. We really need two screen grabs from the source to compare between K and 4K Blu-ray. At the moment I would say K has not proof that is is better, I'd like to see proof. I think the reason we don't see this from anyone is because K would go out of business or be heavily hurt by the truth.
This is easy. K scape and disc are essentially the same when viewed. Kscape can easily have larger file sizes to support high quality longer movies though. But the quality discussion is effectively a tie.
Being somehow vastly superior to disc quality wise isn’t a selling point for Kaleidescape.
Now that the Strato V is available, do you consider it a more cost effective choice than building and maintaining a plexserver from scratch?
@@JilesMcCoy well it's not it's hot gas
@@ldyoung71 More cost effective? It all depends on what you want for your system. If you want to build a NAS and raid discs and all of that then you should go that way. If that doesn't interest you then the V is for sure the answer. Only you know id you can swing the money. Its way easier than it was before.
We can argue about which is better (Blu-Ray or K-scape and by how much) but there is no doubt which is by far the most expensive. I like the Kaleidescape concept but they need some honest competition to bring them back to reality. I look forward to that day.
Thats what the video covers.
As a disk collector, once streaming and digital downloads becomes the norm, something like Kaleidescape will be my goto.
I think we are pretty close to that now.. .if we aren't already there.
@JilesMcCoy Yes and no. It has to be more like DVD replacing VHS. When that time arises, there better be price drops for the digital downloads. There will be no reason a 4k movie should still cost the same as if you're buying the disk bundled with the Blu-ray and digital code.
You forgot mediaplayers like Dune or Zapitti. They are an alternative for Plex and have a n excellent picture and soundquality. Of course we still have to rip the Blu-Rays and 4k Blu-rays first. It is a good alternative to Kaleidescape and Plex, as Kaleidescape is not available in many countries here in Europe. Moreover, you don't have to be a millionaire for Kaleidescape, it helps a lot if you are very rich, and that for a minimal difference in quality and a little more convenience.
In my head I lumped Zappiti and others together with Plex. They are about the same level of complexity and cost as a shield and external storage.
I think the reason he didn't mention thos specifically, is that they function more or less the same way as it will with using an plex server. Instead of using a shield, you use zappiti to fetch and watch your movies
$10k for an imperceptible gain. No thanks. Prediction… now that the death of physical media has begun, I can easily imagine a new Apple TV with “lossless” movie rentals. 🤞
That would be super cool!
The rise in prices of streaming services and content being on so many services, has brought back the need for renting discs. Then you can get only the content you want from a combination of services rather than subscribing to several services that you may not have time to watch. It’s less money spent (pay as you go), and you get a greater selection. Of course you do have to go out to a rental location like the old days. Some people like that whole experience though.
I remember the good ol days of Blockbuster. But I’m happy for those days to be in the past.
I was surprised to notice that a lot of older or more obscure titles are available in HD through Apple TV or other streaming services, but only in SD through the Kaleidescape store. "The Awful Truth" and "Holiday" are two off-hand examples, but it's not uncommon. That won't affect the typical user, but classic film lovers should take note before investing in this system.
Great point!
Our world changed when the rural power company slung fiber thru the sticks. We have 1GB to the modemin the middle of nowhere and the big cities around us get like 300Mb max.
That’s awesome! My internet here in the city sucks pretty bad :( Comcast…
Do you only have 1GB of a available data? Or do you have 1Gbit/s of connection speed? I have the latter and with unlimited data usage.
We just need to get the units straight here 😜
@@TopG-1991 1gb data up and down
I think a lot of people still misunderstand Kscape. It's very pricey and not for everyone. Personally, I detest having to have space for a disc collection which I have to store, clean, and organize. And then I have to inject the disc every time I want to watch a movie. Not to mention, it's inconvenient to browse a library of more than 100 movies when they're all sitting on a shelf and you have to crane your head sideways to read all of them. And even more inconvenient when you have guests and are trying to decide on what to watch. Much more convenient to have a bunch of thumbnails on a TV screen. And so, I have built an iTunes library over the years. Prob about 600+ movies.
Problem with iTunes is the quality. It's actually quite good for my use and 4k Dolby Vision/Atmos looks and sounds great on OLED and 5.4.4 system but it's objectively not as good as disc or Kscape. Yes, I could save money and buy a NAS and 50TB HDD for about $4k and just use Plex, but then I have to learn how to rip everything, how to setup my server, how to secure my server, and then wait a couple hours every time I buy a new movie to rip it. And UHD discs are not cheap. Prob about on par with Kscape store.
I can get a Kscape player and server for about $10k and not have to deal with all the hassle of a Plex server. Granted, $10k is not going to get you 50TB; more like 6-12TB but I have gig internet, so I'm okay with it. Hopefully, prices on Kscape hardware will have come down by the time I actually invest in a system. Still waiting to build my home theater when I finish my basement. Not keen on Kscape not supporting Dolby Vision but won't really matter for my home theater since I'm going projector.
I agree
Hours to rip a disk? Lol. Nopeee... It's one program and does it all.... Use a renting service and spend the cost of one disk maybe 2 and be able to get 6 to 8 disk a month sent in the mail....rip them, send them back get 6 to 8 more... Not even close money wise
I scape is for the movie novice. And that’s cool. There is something for everyone.
@@skypallman6169 lol yeah maybe a bit of hyperbole on my part (and perhaps a bit of ignorance). I've never actually ripped a uhd but I'd guess 30mins to an hour for a typical movie. But i still don't wanna go thru and ID and select the tracks I want on certain UHDs with special features.
maybe not so obvious, but my point was that I'd rather just pay a few grand more than a decent plex setup to have the convenience of not going thru the hassle of managing my own plex setup in order to get reference quality
@@davonfranklin5158 i think buying from streaming services is for the movie novice. I'd say kscape is either for deep pockets or ppl who care about quality and convenience. There is something for everyone. And i guess urs is snarkiness
i think a lot of ppl still misunderstand kscape lol
Looking at the balance,importance and interaction of the three factors streaming is the winner by a large margin,because quality is the least important factor of the three for most people.
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Unless it drops in price significantly it will never replace discs. You can buy so many discs before you even get close to the price of kaleidascape. And you wont even be able to fit all those movies unless you spend even more on their overpriced hard drives. I do realize that it is an amazing format but for the price of a bigger SUV it is out of range for most people.
You can easily get into the system for between 4 and 5k.
@@JilesMcCoy Yes but 4K buys me about 160 4k discs. And after the 4k for the system I still have to buy the movies. So no it is by all standards not a replacement for physical media.
@@Dummatzen but now physical media is getting harder to find (at least on physical stores). I'm considering kdescape just because of that reason.
Let's see some testing between Kaleidescape vs bluray.. I do not believe the quality is better than the disc.
The file sizes are usually a bit bigger on the K-Scape side but for me they visual and audio quality is identical. I am 100% in for Kaleidescape for movies for all the other features though.
Ziddo Uh3000 vs Kaleidescape in quality and cost?
Kaleidescape is more expensive. And has a bit better quality.
Where is the proof that it is better than a disc? The more I hear about this being better than a physical disc the more I think it is a sham.
Let's see MBPs so we can see which is more compressed. If you were to say the quality is the same, it would be more believable... ut we still need testing, and noone seems to want to test it.
Japan's MUSE HD analog video, it's like you are there. Compressed video is a stale imitation, uncompressed 480P is around 72 mbps so cable had to compress it to 2 mbps to fit in more channels. With compressed video simple objects are well defined, while faces seem distant because faces need more information.
Nice
Nice summary. Not sure when anyone would be surprised that streaming is far and away the most popular option. It wins on cost and convenience by a mile which would make it the most popular option. Kaleidescape is just too expensive for me personally and I am sure there is no incentive for them to lower the price of entry. They are playing in the luxury market space just like Ferrari and other high end brands. There is no reason to lower the price of entry.
Thanks for watching!
OEM 4k HDR bluray quality is not as good as K-scape?
Almost but not quite.
Kaleidescape is very convenient, but that’s it, as for picture quality and sound quality there no difference to speak off, I was looking to buy one and when I found out no difference in pictures or sound quality there no way I would get one, it was such a disappointment when I heard the kaleidescape was no better that a 4k disc, so not sure how it justifies the high price tag?
You gotta love it.
With Kaleidescape, do you OWN the files or is it a license based purchase?
Its owned much like you own a Blue Ray disc. Its not like a streaming service where their content cam come and go. When you buy it, its forever with your account.
@@JilesMcCoy Thanks for responding! I guess this is what it has come to. With Blu Ray you don't need an account or Internet to see your movies. Kaleidescape looks great if you care more about the experience than the object or the premise of ownership. Good content!
Which did player do you have
I use a Panasonic 4k player. And a Stratos S. And ATV and Shield.
I have a lot of Blu-rays but I’m good with streaming.
I use all the options from time to time.
One thing you don't mention is "portability". Streaming and discs can be viewed anywhere there is a streaming app or 4k Player. Plex and Kaleidescape are only usable in one location essentially. So if you have 2 homes, a home and an office, a friends house or even just computer with a 4k drive you can view the content outside of your residence. You can access the plex remotely, if you have the hardware and network to do it. And you could physically take the Kaleidesape components with you, but that could be risky over time. One could buy two Keleidescape systems, but I believe you would also have to buy the content for each system (unless they have changed that policy). So that further adds to the cost gap. The 4k content in the K store is the one clear advantage, for movies only, but what about concerts and operas? So it is till hard to justify K vs disc for me at this point with the quality difference over physical being what it is for the money, even though I really want it to be.
You can use the content with your account in multiple locations.
@@JilesMcCoy Really? Well that’s great news then. Just last year the sales team at my dealer (which is also a very popular online dealer) told me if I bought a strato-terra system for each of my houses, I would have to purchase the movies for them individually because the studios considered them separate devices, even if owned by the same person. I asked even though it was the same store account and they said yes. That meant a full double of cost of hardware and library for me. I was seriously considering it before but that made it a hard pass. Glad to hear that’s been remedied, but at this point I just take some physical discs with me in a sleeve binder when I go from one house to the other (my vacation house is remote and doesn’t have reliable high speed internet so streaming is out). Maybe I’ll look at K again at some point.
@@gjhunter9326 Right on. People put one in their house and one in their boat all the time. Or two in the house or whatnot. Or take one on vacation. Seriously.
@@JilesMcCoy I just finished perusing the Kaleidescape site essentially for the first time since visiting my dealer last year. You are absolutely correct, it says specifically they can be installed in up to 5 residences, perfect for those with multiple residences. This is great news. My dealer seemed emphatic it was limited to one location for the store, so glad they were misinformed. I also see the new concert and Opera section. While very limited, it is a start. Looks like I will be in the market again, just have a lot of pennie’s to save! Thanks Jiles!
@@gjhunter9326 When you buy use my code during set up for $100 in free movies!
I wish there was a comptitor to Kaleidescape we need a service like that but not at that price
100
I have actually been going the other way and buying vhs movies from the 80s. Let me explain, when you are viewing something with lower quality video your brain fills in the blanks and you get a much better experience. The problem with 4k that I have is everything is emphasized on sound to where you are missing so much of the dialog that I have to have captions on but then lose a lot of the visual. I recently switched from cabletv to streaming which is only 2 channel audio and I am picking up so much more dialog than I did with Dolby. Now don’t get me wrong I own a 4k tv and 7.2.4 sound system. But I can say if I watch a new release I am just watching 2 hours and then like leaving a movie theatre I don’t rewatch newer movies versus old movies which I have probably watched 100 times.
My brain only sees the bad quality. But I get the idea. That’s what happens for me with books.
I totally get this approach, vhs brings you down to earth, that's why, it gets us more in touch with the physical world, whereas blu-rays is a more sensory and energetic experience, the need to re-watch a film on blu-ray can feel like a need to dream the same dream again, it's not as exciting. The more you can touch something, the more physical experience it is, thinking about sex is not the same as having sex either, lol.
Very interesting idea! It would be nice to see some old vhs-movies to see for my self. It's not like we didnt enjoy movies before when vhs was the only option. I can't atleast remember that I felt that the low quality affected the movie in a particular negative way...
There is no difference between what you see and hear between physical media and K-Scape. Don’t be fooled. Also once you buy the physical disc it’s yours K-Scape almost went belly up and everyone’s movies would have been gone in the cloud. Too risky for me.
Thanks for watching!
There is more than plex available for ripping videos you can also use Zidoo player also 🤔
Plex, Zidooo, R-Volution, Dune, Kody, etc all can get the job done.
“The shocking truth.” Downvote for the hyperbole. There is nothing shocking that an $8k setup is a better setup than a $500 4kbluray vs streaming. I personally like my 4k discs “backed up” on my Zappiti NAS. The only reason I like it better than Kaleidescape is cost. 5k for 36tb Zappiti NAS with another $2k for 3 players(theater room, living room, bedroom). Also, I can buy my 4k discs on a competitive free market. That vs 100 4k bluray storage and a single room player for 8k, plus at the mercy of KS’s cost of movies. To get the storage and multiroom playback capability my zappiti system gives me it would cost over $20k more. For that $20k I have my projector, my processor, my amps, my subs, my 4k bluray player, essentially everything but my 15 speakers. OBVIOUSLY, to each their own, and this hobby isn’t cheap, but $20k is still $20k even though spending that money wouldn’t change my life, that’s still cringeworthy knowing what else one can get for that same $20k.
I think you missed which part is shocking.
It has become pretty clear that Kaledescape is not making money on disc sales and the exorbitant hardware pricing does not reflect the actual technology being sold. Those with deep pockets who buy into the system are supporting the companies efforts to encode movies provided to them by the studios. UA-cam "influencers" are receiving payments to push a product that has no intention of being mainstream. It's a great system but no technological feat that it needs to be sold at current prices.
Dude, where is my payment? I'd love to get paid!
Kaleidoscope doesn't have any of the 4k boutique label releases?
Which are those?
4k's from studios like Criterion, kino lorber, Arrow and shout factory. Do they allow us to have 4k's from those studios? Or only major studios?
@@021om6 I think Kaaleidescape gets the content from the studios much like these disc presses get the content. Kaleidescape wouldn't license content from a company that just makes disc releases.
I wonder how hard is it to rip VHS's and Laserdiscs to Kaleidiscape... 🤔
Isn’t the point of those to actually watch them on the original media or to simply collect? Does anyone actually try to rip those when the DVD could be had at maybe a Dollar on the used market?
@@JilesMcCoy i mean yes. You can watch the originals just fine. But I heard some people tried to ripped vhss to digital files. There are not too many videos like it on youtube showing a few movies due to copyright. But, i heard some did in secrecy.
@@chavito808 The direct answer would be there is no way to somehow copy a VHS tape to a digital file and watch it on Kaleidescape. The inexpensive was to do that would be to find a DVD and then disc to digital it.
I to have the Ziddo UHD3000 and its excellent. I still cost wise it's a hell of a lot cheaper than kaleidescape
The Zidoo is nice!
I would love to see the difference in person. Your video hardware might not allow you to even notice the expensive upgrade to Kaleidiscape.
This is true.
Or even your eyesight. 99% of people cannot notice the difference and even fewer will appreciate the difference.
You need to move to Canada to get better Streaming, unless you live in a LARGE US City, with better streaming
Right on
To be honest I think plex is overrated I like a static pc with kodi and vlc. Saves a lot of time in the ripping process compared to plex. You can't stream but I'm fine with that. I'm only watching in my theater anyways plus I have a ton of movies anywhere.
Plex is working to transition to be a tool to manage streaming. They know the day of the file player is sunsetting.
i will stick with my Panasonic UB-9000.
Solid player.
Streaming all the way. Over and over in blind test no one with any regularity can pick out 4k disc/Scape vs 4k Streaming in video or audio quality. I mean there’s always going to be some 55 year old with a mini lcd tv that swears they can. But it’s streaming all the way.
Wellll….. how about 50yo with OLED?
@@JilesMcCoy Still 50. Visual and Audio acuity due to Father Time has still taken a hit.
Comparison without real test lol
Thanks for watching!
Kodi can play DV so this kaledi whatever is already defunctional.
DV isn't a thing in theaters. It would still be nice to have though.
You are RICH Jiles. You have a nice family & a tremendous Wife!, also you make ($) Millions off your You Tube Video's.
Ahhh, true on the family items… but UA-cam is a passion project. It’s not really making money.
Some, but not enough to live on.
There.is.no extra quality. That is BS
There is. Verified.
Kaleidiscape is unnoticeably better for on 20000 dollars. Yes, it will be the future but right now you are fooling yourself if u think a kaleidiscape is a good purchase or u are in kuhutz with the company. No sane person will spend 20000 dollars more to not have to bend over to place a disc in a tray. I dont know why we keep arguing about this. Its pretty simple
I only payed 6k for mine. Totally worth it.
@@JilesMcCoyare there different version of kalediscape, what version you get
@@Foxhound11 Ive got the Strato S 6TB version.
I know kscape charge so much on their hard drive, is there no way we can use other brand of hard drive for kscape
@@Foxhound11 No, there isnt.