Still need to buy it and store it somewhere, and oh now you just bought a movie you will only watch once. Don’t get me wrong I have 4k ultra blurays of my favorite movies. But for a movie I’ll only watch once streaming will always be king
@@sbccave4015 I also do this (I switched from Kodi to Jellyfin) but I compress the video files to save space on my server. If I'm just casually watching on my living room TV I will use Jellyfin and it's good enough. But if I'm in my home theater with my 150" 4k HDR and 7.4.4 Atmos setup, I want the best experience I can get so I pop in the disk.
Streaming wants physical media to die. The problem is the projects on streaming doesn't stay up forever - even if their parent cpmpanies own the content provided.
What is tedious for some people is fun for others. I enjoy the experience of getting a disc and inserting it. That's fun! Especially when it's a nice steelbook that is cool to look at during the process.
I heard sales for discs are actually going up...sort of .... Maybe there are more people who are fed up with the current direction of streaming services.
@@christisdale9977 I think I've spent over $15 for a 4k like 3 times. You can find a ton of 4k uhds for $10, especially during holiday sales. You're getting scalped breh
I haven't even watched the video yet, but my friends and family always say I'm weird for still collecting physical media. I love you all who have let me know I'm not alone in the world
The audio is the one that suffers most with streaming, especially bass. Listen to Lion King 1994 opening on D+ vs Blu-ray. The bass crash at the end sound way fuller. I was watching Jingle book 2016 on D+ 4K with my family and when the elephant part came up I couldn’t stand it any longer and put my Plex 1080p lossless Blu-ray on instead and it sounded so much better. The bitrate is just not there on streaming. Not now at least, and something has to give.
I can imagine movies or tv shows disappearing forever because they were never released physically and are not offered anywhere digitally. So, physical all the way imo.
I'm also a big fan of physical media. I really noticed the difference when I played Lord of the Rings for my daughter. I used to have the physical discs, but lost them. When streaming, the picture looked pretty good, but the audio was awful. I run a 7.2 system in my dedicated (budget) home theater. Recently I fell into a free, yes free Kaleidescape legacy system that a family member got from a client. It will only do Blu Ray quality, but it is sweet. The interface is awesome. It's a K-Server, K-Vault and three portable players with remotes. SCORE!
Great points Chris. For me its physical media until they are gone, that way I can always play my movies and not have them taken away some month. I have store them and sort them about twice a year adding in the new purchases that will go to my children and grandchildren someday so they can always enjoy the movies we watched together.
Not everyone is "ignorant" about quality, but if the picture quality is crisp and clear (although not the best or top tier), acceptable quality is fine for a lot of people.
I still buy blu rays and 4k discs because of the special bonuses and special features on each movie or tv show. For example: I found out how amazing they made a lot of the Fast and the Furious movies. Plus, the commentaries are awesome. U can't even get all the great wonderful bonuses on streaming services.
The only thing i really use streaming for is tv shows, streaming exclusive movies (extraction for example), or foreign movies that arent released in the states. Other than that i have my reliable 4k blu ray and blu ray collection that has NEVER let me down. Aound and picture is superior in every way 99.5% of the time.
Streaming quality is shait. Both sound and picture is compromised. If you are good with that, kudos. I prefer physical media bcs. of the high quality. AND, I own it.
I like buying my favorite movie on blue ray. Like Movie Boxes with all included. But for normal Movies you maybe watch once its nice to have a streaming platform to just watch it.
It is for me. I haven't bought a new one in a long time, I usually copied them from the library. But I'm so sick of getting damaged or defective discs. These days I just rent stuff off of Apple and if I like it enough to warrant repeat viewings, I'll wait until it's on sale for
Something else I feel worth mentioning(that you did not) is good ol bonus features that you get with Blurays and DVDs. Sometimes you'll also get multiple versions of a film as well. One example being my now very old(but still awesome) Dawn of the Dead('78) Ultimate Edition DVD set that has every version of the movie that exists(3 total, each on their own disc). And despite being old ass DVDs, still looks surprisingly good upscaled through my Bluray player. I guess I'm an old man now, but I still love physical media and will continue to buy Blurays as long as they're made available. To me it will be a very sad day when you can only stream movies and shows. Either way, we've come a long long way from the days of watching awful VHS tapes on CRT TVs, that's for sure. Hard to believe all us old fogies used to watch movies that way, but I guess when it's all you have it doesn't seem that bad..
Blu-rays are being killed off because they want to re-rent the content to you multiple times with streaming. And of course the rich can pay their way past that by paying $5000 for a Kaleidescape.
@@jerryrobinson278 Sure, but you realize the cost for buying movies on Kaleidescape is also over and above the price of the system right? The device and hardware itself is just what you need to start shopping for movies.
Firstly, Chris, love the shirt 🤘 I think Plex is great from a happy medium, you get to have a physical media collection (assuming you’re using Plex to essentially back up/curate your own movie/TV show collection). I mean ultimately I think preservation is important and if you know what you’re doing You’re away with the fairies like, sound and as safe as houses. I mean in the end it just falls down to preference. I mean, I’m not the biggest fan of kaleidoscape, I mean as good as the hardware is the company is still at the mercy of whatever cuts/versions of certain movies Studios want to deliver to the service. Not to mention the fact that the service here in the UK isn’t that great because we don’t even have access to Disney/Fox titles. Probably the biggest studio that’s the biggest supporter I would say is probably WB
@@ChrisMajestic especially since they updated so you could add multiple cuts of the same movie, that’s what I like multiple cuts. Take the original Star Wars trilogy for example you’ve got the original released versions from 1981-1995, the 97 special editions, the 2004 special editions, the 2011 special editions and the 2019 (Disney+) 2020 (physical media release) special editions. I guess the only comparable movies you could go for with more than two cuts is probably Blade Runner. But I mean, if you wanted to go to cut the first four alien movies would be a great example
As someone with a small space i am collecting digital movies but my goal is to move out to a space where i can start a physical collection but so far it's been convenient and easy to use across all my devices.
As long as blue-rays /DVD’s and being made I will continue to purchase them. I believe in the future there will be less of them and mostly for feature films that are blockbusters. In the long run this will not be good because we will own less license copies of movies and they blame it on maintaining a streaming platform etc.🤔
It is insane how much they charge, for what is effectively cheap hardware. In terms of locally streaming bluray quality content, e.g., if you have the right bluray drive in your PC, and can rip one of the disks, you will see that they will play perfectly fine on just about any mid range and up WiFi router when connected to the USB port of the router. Simply put, a $150 router with an external drive connected to it, can handle a bluray quality stream, or even multiple bluray quality streams, since many will now offer decent IOPS and can fully saturate a gigabit connection (around 115MB/s), or in the case of routers with 2.5GbE ports, often 160-200MB/s. While it is not an issue for someone who is a billionaire, for someone wanting a basic network player that will work with a smart TV or other local streaming device, the core capability of such an expensive player (paying just to be saddled with DRM), can effectively be replaced with a cheap router, and 1-2 USB 3.0 external drives (many with DLNA or 3rd party indexers will index and combine content found on every drive connected to the router). Not encouraging anyone to break DRM but it is just to put the cost of a kaleidescape into perspective.
I buy Blu-rays because I have limited Internet. Besides physical media is convenient for me because if Vudu or Netflix or Paramount or whomever takes the movies or shows off their site I still have that movie or show. It may seem crazy to some, but for me being able to reach for my Blu-rays and DVDs are just easy.
I have been redeeming digital codes in Apple and Vudu for years and have yet to lose anything. I can't imagine they'd do that without facing an avalanche of lawsuits.
I’m always going to get the Blu-Ray/4K Blu-Ray if possible and if it’s a title that I don’t need to have the physical copy of but still want the film then I will buy it off Apple when on sale for $10 or less. I do however purchase a lot of tv shows off Apple as they are in HD and the physical is only DVD which I try to avoid unless it’s an old tv show. I’m also ripping my Blu-ray & DVDs of movies & tv shows to Plex. It’s been a great experience so far and I love having the ability to pick up where I left off on any tv in the house without having to carry discs around. I haven’t ripped 4K yet for space reasons.
People still watch VHS tapes and DVDS that tells you something however they are dirt cheap even second hand blu-ray discs are very cheap, but i suppose with streaming is it cheaper than buying discs? depends on what you sort of subscription you go with. Remember Vinyl has made a comeback too, that also tells you a story, people want good picture and sound qaulity.
I will keep my physical media if only for the fact that many titles are now being streamed in an edited form, not true to the original . Or come with a warning about the content that was never part of the original. And many titles from the past are not to be found on streaming as they have offended someone’s sense and sensibilities. Essentially a censoring of the art form. Oh, much like Hollywood studios currently losing billions, with a b, for flop after flop, streaming is on the same path. So……I will keep my nearly 3000 DVD’s which will last me a lifetime. I exercise every day, I don’t hardly see how getting up to put a DVD in is a chore 😂
As with music CD you are hostage of what the streaming company wants you to hear (and see, case of Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc) and when...Spotify/Apple music and the likes change the original songs for the "remasters" often changing the original songs and you either have the original or you have to accept their shenanigans...Example? A-Ha's "Hunting High and Low" had the orchestral parts changed in most of them, from Strings to Brass...totaly ruined it for me...
You talk about where or not physical media is dying, and I'm sitting here, with my 3D format, which actually died a couple of years ago. And I'm not talking about whether or not people still enjoy 3D, I'm talking about how many disc's are being released. Even if the movies are having a 3D theater run, they only get 4k releases, if even that. I am even importing movies that were only released in Japan, since there is just no other way to obtain them. The last hope for 3D is a German Label called "Turbine Media" which already released 3 out of print 3D movies, including Jurassic World: Dominion, and they are supposedly releasing more in the future. And yes, I already know that 90% of the people don't like 3D, or even hate it. But there is nothing you can tell me that changes my personal opinion about good 3D movies, which i absolutely love watching.
I do buy 4K Blu-ray discs because I know the quality is going to be better in fact, I bought Beetlejuice Beetlejuice on 4K disc yesterday to add to the collection , however I can’t always tell a massive difference in picture quality between 4K streaming from Netflix or prime and 4K disc, it might be more noticeable side-by-side comparison, However, I always notice a big difference in the quality of sound on 4K Blu-ray
Except it's not always better. The biggest issue with 4K is that the vast majority are 2K upscales. Many look no better than a regular BD - all they're doing is changing peak brightness levels, colors, sometimes adding Dolby Atmos, but most times they are not actually doing new scans from the masters and taking the time to put effort into it. The only company I've seen that takes the time to do quality 4K restorations has been Sony, and the boutique labels.
The problem is majority of people are just ok with the convinience of streaming. Only the minority of us enjoy the value of better picture and audio of physical media 😢
Physical media needs to reduce the price of 4k. Vast majority of HT folks cannot visually tell the difference between 4k and Blu-ray. It’s just salesmanship tactic
My biggest issue is when a service retires one of my favorite movies so I can't watch it anymore. I'd rather have physical media with digital copy for mobility
The reason's why Bluray's is better then streaming. Is bc for one once you buy a bluray you own it. And streaming does not have all the movies on there streaming services that are available on bluray. And bluray's you don't have to worry about a movie being censored. And this is why I surport & buy physical media
I completely agree. The quality is better. That and in many ways, you get a worse experience if you pay for a streaming service. I have movies I've redeemed with Apple that will revert to HD for awhile for some weird reason. Vudu constantly has service issues where their app is just inaccessible even though my internet connection is fine. Netflix you can't get anything past 720p unless you use Edge in Microsoft. It's just silly. I could download all the content for free and not have any of those problems.
Let me make it simple for you streaming is between 5mbps and 12mbps, compared to a Blu-ray that is 80mbps and a 4K blu-ray I can go up to 160mbps. Streaming is nowhere near the quality is native and the only reason why people can’t tell is because they don’t have a good TV and haven’t been exposed to native 4K blueray. Also your Internet speed doesn’t matter as long as it’s over 15mbps because no streaming service gives more than that. Anybody can tell the difference if they are educated. (And let’s be real. The majority of people don’t wanna believe Blu-ray is better because they don’t want to invest into their hobby and prefer to be ripped off over and over and over well paying for nothing)
I would recommend a download speed at of at least 50mbps for the best experience streaming movies. Not only do you have to account for overhead but you likely have dozens of other devices in your home sharing that same connection.
@@ChrisMajestic it doesn’t work that way you could have the fastest Internet in the world and it would not change. All streaming platforms stream 5mbps and 15mbps with the exception of Sony Bravia stream service it’s a little higher. The reason why their streaming service is only sent between 5mbps and 12mbps is because 99% of TVs cannot uncompress anything higher, not at the technology Isn’t there to do it it’s just that’s the standard. (a computer or video game console can but your TV isn’t made that way)
I’m not saying that the streaming provider will use 50mbps. The highest throughput I’ve ever seen Netflix request was 20mbps. I’m saying that I suggest a minimum home internet connection speed of at least 50mbps to account for random drops in speed due to provider network congestion as well as other devices in the house sharing that same connection.
@@WheeledHamster lol it truly is!!! My favorite laugh is when people think they get Dolby Vision in 4K from streaming. I don’t get some people spend well over $1000 to buy an amazing TV and then they don’t use it correctly and see the full potential. If somebody’s just gonna stream, they should just buy the cheap budget black Friday TVs for like a couple of hundred. I have a Sony X90L tv and wow Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray look amazing
We've just turned into a massiv, lazy society who can get things in a click of a button. Today I physically went to the store and physically got a few 4k Blu Rays, and it felt good. Long live physical media.
I am considering physical media again because I would like to own my favorite movies and shows, instead of a license that will be yanked without notice for any reason.
@@LordDementus1987 It is also nice to listen to all your music without the internet. Google up music services lawsuits over purchased content removal. iTunes and Amazon Music have done so plenty of times over the years.
Why does HDR Dolby vision video not work sometimes? It is in HDR dolby vision mode I mean I always want the video to be in beautiful and high quality HDR colors
Physical media and even pirating has preservation compared to streaming and digital. For example, the Xbox 360 digital store is closing permanently on July 29th, 2024. The digital games rely on someone servers and the games can't be played that relys on using someone else server and it affects multiplayer gaming. I tried to play a multiplayer game but the server was shut down permanently on pc. I had to buy the same games all over again multiple times on my game consoles. There is no long term reliability and preservation and archiving with digital and streaming due to licensing fees, drm and force arbitration. For instance, it would be like the equivalent of renting a car with subscription services if the car dealerships went that route even the car is already fully paid off. The car dealerships decided to repossess the car because the consumer of the car stopped paying for the subscription service because cars can only be rental service only and no longer can be bought and locked behind a pay wall as a subscription service.
Thank you for this info, I knew and heard most before, and that 4k blu ray vs 4k streaming is better because of compression. What I am not sure of is when a new movie comes out on 1080P Blu Ray vs 4k streaming? Which is better? I am never quite sure which to buy?
It depends on the streaming service. I've seen some very impressive 4k HDR streams from netflix vs the 1080p blu-ray counterpart but I've never pixel peeped it at a scientific level.
Streaming all day. Besides physical media owners not being able to tell the difference btw streaming and blu ray in a blind test with any regularity, with streaming I've got 10s of thousands of movies at my fingertips. Only one option and it’s streaming.
I would agree with this. Plus as I am getting older, there's just less and less new things I want to watch. I already own all my favorites and most times I find myself renting through Apple or using FAST services. There's no clutter to deal with and you can save a lot of money. If you're interested in buying things, Apple always has tons of sales going and tons of stuff is being redone in 4K.
The problem I am having with physical media as an older collector is the lack of a number of major old catalog titles on 4K. Ben Hur, Cleopatra, The Rodgers and Hammerstein Collection and a number of major classic old movies are not available. Instead there is a lot of older horror movies and slasher trash that they put out quickly. A lot of us would buy the good stuff if they would just put them out.
The titles you've mentioned already have superb blu-ray releases, and I eventually expect to see all of them on 4K in the near future. Warner Bros. is almost guaranteed to release BEN-HUR in 4k on or before it's 70th anniversary. The other titles are 20th Century Fox releases in 70mm, so 4K upgrades are likely now that Disney has optioned the Fox catalog to Sony for physical releases. Paramount and Columbia are already slowly but surely releasing their classics for 4k upgrades and rising sales will probably be making it sooner rather than later. Criterion seems to be re-releasing a lot of their classics in 4k lately as well.
@@TheVid54 I have the blurays. They could be better. Some of the R&H Blurays are hideous, especially The King And I. I just really get tired of seeing the classic hormonally imbalanced fan boy crap released before the classics are.
4k is the way to go for best visual and audio quality. Streaming is like at 30% of what a 4k physical provides. You also should of mentioned that bluray 1080p physical copy looks better than a UHD "4K" stream.
I think Apple might have the best infrastructure when it comes to their rental service, but sadly it feels like they are trying to squeeze people away from renting and just using streaming services. I wish they could offer a “deluxe” streaming tier that allows you to stream *and download* higher quality, at least 20-30mbps versions of the films you have purchased. This is the first I’ve learnt about the Kaleidoscope but I’m unsure why it has to be a dedicated box, and if I bought one I’d be afraid that one day the service will no longer be available and it would have been a huge waste of money.
Streaming is value.. I only buy a month from time to time and I get a lot out of it. Blu-ray is premium for me and I buy most of them second hand for cheap..
Not once have i heard of kaleidoscape. At that price why wouldn’t you just build a htpc? At least you could do other things with it. Or maybe buy a mac mini and slap a hard drive on it. More functionality. Really odd, seems like something for someone that has more money than sense.
I hate streaming. I’ve had more technical issues, constantly having to log in to some services, no control over availability, lack of special features on a lot of content, … With Blu-ray, just stick it into the player and relax.
@@ChrisMajestic thanks for the info! (Love ur videos btw) I actually got inspired by your projector videos to grab one for myself and start a budget home theater setup. The BenQ HT2060. I noticed you never reviewed it specifically, but I think it’s definitely one to try out! The picture quality is outstanding, and your reviews and comparisons are so great, I think a lot of folks in the budget category could benefit from one of your reviews :) anyway, thanks again!
So you can honestly tell me without a doubt that you do notice a difference between Bluray and fx Netflix and how much difference is it then 10% 50% or 100%. Is Netflix (or other streaming services) quality at max so bad that you could in no possible way enjoy the movie or is this as pointless as a fps war in gaming world where people are so focused on higher fps that they never even enjoy playing the game
The only con of blu-ray is having to get off your couch to change the video. In all other metrics, physical media is way better.
It's actually a pro. You should get up and move around after sitting for 2+ hours.
Still need to buy it and store it somewhere, and oh now you just bought a movie you will only watch once. Don’t get me wrong I have 4k ultra blurays of my favorite movies. But for a movie I’ll only watch once streaming will always be king
I don't do that with any of my movies I rip them to a hard drive and have them all organized with kodi.
@@sbccave4015 I also do this (I switched from Kodi to Jellyfin) but I compress the video files to save space on my server. If I'm just casually watching on my living room TV I will use Jellyfin and it's good enough. But if I'm in my home theater with my 150" 4k HDR and 7.4.4 Atmos setup, I want the best experience I can get so I pop in the disk.
@@kattastadir-sydri streaming isnt king........ You are blind
thank you....physical all day
Streaming wants physical media to die. The problem is the projects on streaming doesn't stay up forever - even if their parent cpmpanies own the content provided.
Good point. There is definitely money to be made in streaming for the big companies. Less overhead and more ways to make money.
It's not dying in my household 👍
Ill say streaming is king when it has at least better quality. Pretty sad a 2006 blu ray has higher bitrates and better quality that 2024 streaming
What is tedious for some people is fun for others. I enjoy the experience of getting a disc and inserting it. That's fun! Especially when it's a nice steelbook that is cool to look at during the process.
I heard sales for discs are actually going up...sort of .... Maybe there are more people who are fed up with the current direction of streaming services.
Us in Canada are paying up too $40 to $50 for 4k movies.I really have to be more selective and sub some blue rays instead of 4k's.
@@christisdale9977I reserve 4k purchases for the really worthwhile movies.
@@christisdale9977 I think I've spent over $15 for a 4k like 3 times. You can find a ton of 4k uhds for $10, especially during holiday sales. You're getting scalped breh
I haven't even watched the video yet, but my friends and family always say I'm weird for still collecting physical media. I love you all who have let me know I'm not alone in the world
Until the Internet stop's working,or slows down.physical media to the end..... physical media is true ownership
That's why I still keep my Oppo-203 around....physical media still rules.
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4K blu ray collector. Disc are better & the sound is crazy
The audio is the one that suffers most with streaming, especially bass. Listen to Lion King 1994 opening on D+ vs Blu-ray. The bass crash at the end sound way fuller. I was watching Jingle book 2016 on D+ 4K with my family and when the elephant part came up I couldn’t stand it any longer and put my Plex 1080p lossless Blu-ray on instead and it sounded so much better. The bitrate is just not there on streaming. Not now at least, and something has to give.
Great comprehensive review Chris! - Cheers!
Best choice is to host your own media streaming, using Plex, Jellyfin, or Emby.
Who's gonna share their collection with me? I need access
I can imagine movies or tv shows disappearing forever because they were never released physically and are not offered anywhere digitally. So, physical all the way imo.
Good point
I'm also a big fan of physical media. I really noticed the difference when I played Lord of the Rings for my daughter. I used to have the physical discs, but lost them. When streaming, the picture looked pretty good, but the audio was awful. I run a 7.2 system in my dedicated (budget) home theater. Recently I fell into a free, yes free Kaleidescape legacy system that a family member got from a client. It will only do Blu Ray quality, but it is sweet. The interface is awesome. It's a K-Server, K-Vault and three portable players with remotes. SCORE!
Great points Chris. For me its physical media until they are gone, that way I can always play my movies and not have them taken away some month. I have store them and sort them about twice a year adding in the new purchases that will go to my children and grandchildren someday so they can always enjoy the movies we watched together.
Streaming is trash. But most people are too ignorant to care about quality.
and they buy expensive TVs, and watch quality garbage
Streaming is value..
Not everyone is "ignorant" about quality, but if the picture quality is crisp and clear (although not the best or top tier), acceptable quality is fine for a lot of people.
I still buy blu rays and 4k discs because of the special bonuses and special features on each movie or tv show. For example: I found out how amazing they made a lot of the Fast and the Furious movies. Plus, the commentaries are awesome. U can't even get all the great wonderful bonuses on streaming services.
The only thing i really use streaming for is tv shows, streaming exclusive movies (extraction for example), or foreign movies that arent released in the states. Other than that i have my reliable 4k blu ray and blu ray collection that has NEVER let me down. Aound and picture is superior in every way 99.5% of the time.
Yup me too
Streaming quality is shait. Both sound and picture is compromised. If you are good with that, kudos. I prefer physical media bcs. of the high quality. AND, I own it.
I like buying my favorite movie on blue ray. Like Movie Boxes with all included. But for normal Movies you maybe watch once its nice to have a streaming platform to just watch it.
Great work, King
Great video as always.
You are a massive inspiration to us smaller creators on UA-cam 👌👌
Here before the physical media community blows this video up.
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Can definitely tell between streaming 4K and the 4K disc.
It is for me. I haven't bought a new one in a long time, I usually copied them from the library. But I'm so sick of getting damaged or defective discs. These days I just rent stuff off of Apple and if I like it enough to warrant repeat viewings, I'll wait until it's on sale for
Something else I feel worth mentioning(that you did not) is good ol bonus features that you get with Blurays and DVDs. Sometimes you'll also get multiple versions of a film as well. One example being my now very old(but still awesome) Dawn of the Dead('78) Ultimate Edition DVD set that has every version of the movie that exists(3 total, each on their own disc). And despite being old ass DVDs, still looks surprisingly good upscaled through my Bluray player. I guess I'm an old man now, but I still love physical media and will continue to buy Blurays as long as they're made available. To me it will be a very sad day when you can only stream movies and shows. Either way, we've come a long long way from the days of watching awful VHS tapes on CRT TVs, that's for sure. Hard to believe all us old fogies used to watch movies that way, but I guess when it's all you have it doesn't seem that bad..
Blu-rays are being killed off because they want to re-rent the content to you multiple times with streaming. And of course the rich can pay their way past that by paying $5000 for a Kaleidescape.
Yeah they dont want us to own anything.
But paying for 100s of Blu-rays is over the cost of the new released system
@@jerryrobinson278 Sure, but you realize the cost for buying movies on Kaleidescape is also over and above the price of the system right? The device and hardware itself is just what you need to start shopping for movies.
Firstly, Chris, love the shirt 🤘
I think Plex is great from a happy medium, you get to have a physical media collection (assuming you’re using Plex to essentially back up/curate your own movie/TV show collection).
I mean ultimately I think preservation is important and if you know what you’re doing You’re away with the fairies like, sound and as safe as houses.
I mean in the end it just falls down to preference.
I mean, I’m not the biggest fan of kaleidoscape, I mean as good as the hardware is the company is still at the mercy of whatever cuts/versions of certain movies Studios want to deliver to the service. Not to mention the fact that the service here in the UK isn’t that great because we don’t even have access to Disney/Fox titles.
Probably the biggest studio that’s the biggest supporter I would say is probably WB
Plex is a Godsend.
@@ChrisMajestic especially since they updated so you could add multiple cuts of the same movie, that’s what I like multiple cuts.
Take the original Star Wars trilogy for example you’ve got the original released versions from 1981-1995, the 97 special editions, the 2004 special editions, the 2011 special editions and the 2019 (Disney+) 2020 (physical media release) special editions.
I guess the only comparable movies you could go for with more than two cuts is probably Blade Runner.
But I mean, if you wanted to go to cut the first four alien movies would be a great example
@@ChrisMajesticI'm confused. Where is everyone getting content to share across plex
How can I get access to someone's plex movies
As someone with a small space i am collecting digital movies but my goal is to move out to a space where i can start a physical collection but so far it's been convenient and easy to use across all my devices.
As long as blue-rays /DVD’s and being made I will continue to purchase them. I believe in the future there will be less of them and mostly for feature films that are blockbusters. In the long run this will not be good because we will own less license copies of movies and they blame it on maintaining a streaming platform etc.🤔
Blue ray always looks better than digital no matter how good your internet is. I feel blue ray if for movies like avatar and Godzilla
It is insane how much they charge, for what is effectively cheap hardware. In terms of locally streaming bluray quality content, e.g., if you have the right bluray drive in your PC, and can rip one of the disks, you will see that they will play perfectly fine on just about any mid range and up WiFi router when connected to the USB port of the router. Simply put, a $150 router with an external drive connected to it, can handle a bluray quality stream, or even multiple bluray quality streams, since many will now offer decent IOPS and can fully saturate a gigabit connection (around 115MB/s), or in the case of routers with 2.5GbE ports, often 160-200MB/s. While it is not an issue for someone who is a billionaire, for someone wanting a basic network player that will work with a smart TV or other local streaming device, the core capability of such an expensive player (paying just to be saddled with DRM), can effectively be replaced with a cheap router, and 1-2 USB 3.0 external drives (many with DLNA or 3rd party indexers will index and combine content found on every drive connected to the router). Not encouraging anyone to break DRM but it is just to put the cost of a kaleidescape into perspective.
Even with Kaleidescape, the video is slightly compressed leaving the audio untouched, supposedly.
I buy Blu-rays because I have limited Internet. Besides physical media is convenient for me because if Vudu or Netflix or Paramount or whomever takes the movies or shows off their site I still have that movie or show. It may seem crazy to some, but for me being able to reach for my Blu-rays and DVDs are just easy.
I have been redeeming digital codes in Apple and Vudu for years and have yet to lose anything. I can't imagine they'd do that without facing an avalanche of lawsuits.
I’m always going to get the Blu-Ray/4K Blu-Ray if possible and if it’s a title that I don’t need to have the physical copy of but still want the film then I will buy it off Apple when on sale for $10 or less. I do however purchase a lot of tv shows off Apple as they are in HD and the physical is only DVD which I try to avoid unless it’s an old tv show. I’m also ripping my Blu-ray & DVDs of movies & tv shows to Plex. It’s been a great experience so far and I love having the ability to pick up where I left off on any tv in the house without having to carry discs around. I haven’t ripped 4K yet for space reasons.
People still watch VHS tapes and DVDS that tells you something however they are dirt cheap even second hand blu-ray discs are very cheap, but i suppose with streaming is it cheaper than buying discs? depends on what you sort of subscription you go with.
Remember Vinyl has made a comeback too, that also tells you a story, people want good picture and sound qaulity.
Streaming services censor content. You dont always get or are guaranteed to get the original movie. Then there are extras
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Just bought a Blu-Ray player I'm starting to collect movies again :)
I will keep my physical media if only for the fact that many titles are now being streamed in an edited form, not true to the original . Or come with a warning about the content that was never part of the original. And many titles from the past are not to be found on streaming as they have offended someone’s sense and sensibilities. Essentially a censoring of the art form. Oh, much like Hollywood studios currently losing billions, with a b, for flop after flop, streaming is on the same path. So……I will keep my nearly 3000 DVD’s which will last me a lifetime. I exercise every day, I don’t hardly see how getting up to put a DVD in is a chore 😂
Thank you.
Physical for the win.
As with music CD you are hostage of what the streaming company wants you to hear (and see, case of Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc) and when...Spotify/Apple music and the likes change the original songs for the "remasters" often changing the original songs and you either have the original or you have to accept their shenanigans...Example? A-Ha's "Hunting High and Low" had the orchestral parts changed in most of them, from Strings to Brass...totaly ruined it for me...
You talk about where or not physical media is dying, and I'm sitting here, with my 3D format, which actually died a couple of years ago.
And I'm not talking about whether or not people still enjoy 3D, I'm talking about how many disc's are being released. Even if the movies are having a 3D theater run, they only get 4k releases, if even that.
I am even importing movies that were only released in Japan, since there is just no other way to obtain them.
The last hope for 3D is a German Label called "Turbine Media" which already released 3 out of print 3D movies, including Jurassic World: Dominion, and they are supposedly releasing more in the future.
And yes, I already know that 90% of the people don't like 3D, or even hate it.
But there is nothing you can tell me that changes my personal opinion about good 3D movies, which i absolutely love watching.
I do buy 4K Blu-ray discs because I know the quality is going to be better in fact, I bought Beetlejuice Beetlejuice on 4K disc yesterday to add to the collection , however I can’t always tell a massive difference in picture quality between 4K streaming from Netflix or prime and 4K disc, it might be more noticeable side-by-side comparison, However, I always notice a big difference in the quality of sound on 4K Blu-ray
Except it's not always better. The biggest issue with 4K is that the vast majority are 2K upscales. Many look no better than a regular BD - all they're doing is changing peak brightness levels, colors, sometimes adding Dolby Atmos, but most times they are not actually doing new scans from the masters and taking the time to put effort into it. The only company I've seen that takes the time to do quality 4K restorations has been Sony, and the boutique labels.
Physical Format
4K Blu Ray is king even now. I stream in 4k but also own tons of 4K discs and the disc quality is always noticeable
Bought a Panasonic ub820 with a sound system. The quality is INSANE ON THE THING
The problem is majority of people are just ok with the convinience of streaming.
Only the minority of us enjoy the value of better picture and audio of physical media 😢
No my boy, the truth is that we prefer home formats, we make up 50% of the world's population, whether you like it or not, streaming is dying
@@Fighterz-z1kit’s dying cause prices are going up for people to keep aging feee 😅😅😅😅😅
@@RobertQuant what?????
@@Fighterz-z1k I meant to say Netflix and streaming are going up in prices so there u go
@@RobertQuant What can be done?
Can you do video about "most value for money desktop speakers in 2024?"
For the longest my go to was the Logitech z623. Hard to beat for the money.
Physical media needs to reduce the price of 4k. Vast majority of HT folks cannot visually tell the difference between 4k and Blu-ray. It’s just salesmanship tactic
My biggest issue is when a service retires one of my favorite movies so I can't watch it anymore. I'd rather have physical media with digital copy for mobility
The reason's why Bluray's is better then streaming. Is bc for one once you buy a bluray you own it. And streaming does not have all the movies on there streaming services that are available on bluray. And bluray's you don't have to worry about a movie being censored. And this is why I surport & buy physical media
I completely agree. The quality is better. That and in many ways, you get a worse experience if you pay for a streaming service. I have movies I've redeemed with Apple that will revert to HD for awhile for some weird reason. Vudu constantly has service issues where their app is just inaccessible even though my internet connection is fine. Netflix you can't get anything past 720p unless you use Edge in Microsoft. It's just silly. I could download all the content for free and not have any of those problems.
Thanks Chris.
I still buy Blu-ray's and DVD's plus 4k
Love to own physical copies of my fave movies
Yes:-)
Let me make it simple for you streaming is between 5mbps and 12mbps, compared to a Blu-ray that is 80mbps and a 4K blu-ray I can go up to 160mbps. Streaming is nowhere near the quality is native and the only reason why people can’t tell is because they don’t have a good TV and haven’t been exposed to native 4K blueray. Also your Internet speed doesn’t matter as long as it’s over 15mbps because no streaming service gives more than that. Anybody can tell the difference if they are educated. (And let’s be real. The majority of people don’t wanna believe Blu-ray is better because they don’t want to invest into their hobby and prefer to be ripped off over and over and over well paying for nothing)
I would recommend a download speed at of at least 50mbps for the best experience streaming movies. Not only do you have to account for overhead but you likely have dozens of other devices in your home sharing that same connection.
@@ChrisMajestic it doesn’t work that way you could have the fastest Internet in the world and it would not change. All streaming platforms stream 5mbps and 15mbps with the exception of Sony Bravia stream service it’s a little higher. The reason why their streaming service is only sent between 5mbps and 12mbps is because 99% of TVs cannot uncompress anything higher, not at the technology Isn’t there to do it it’s just that’s the standard. (a computer or video game console can but your TV isn’t made that way)
I’m not saying that the streaming provider will use 50mbps. The highest throughput I’ve ever seen Netflix request was 20mbps.
I’m saying that I suggest a minimum home internet connection speed of at least 50mbps to account for random drops in speed due to provider network congestion as well as other devices in the house sharing that same connection.
That's why people who bought high end 4K TVs and then proceed to browse Disney+ laughable.
@@WheeledHamster lol it truly is!!! My favorite laugh is when people think they get Dolby Vision in 4K from streaming. I don’t get some people spend well over $1000 to buy an amazing TV and then they don’t use it correctly and see the full potential. If somebody’s just gonna stream, they should just buy the cheap budget black Friday TVs for like a couple of hundred. I have a Sony X90L tv and wow Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray look amazing
We've just turned into a massiv, lazy society who can get things in a click of a button. Today I physically went to the store and physically got a few 4k Blu Rays, and it felt good. Long live physical media.
Not dying here!
I am considering physical media again because I would like to own my favorite movies and shows, instead of a license that will be yanked without notice for any reason.
When has that actually happened outside of streaming sites losing rights?
@@LordDementus1987 It is also nice to listen to all your music without the internet. Google up music services lawsuits over purchased content removal. iTunes and Amazon Music have done so plenty of times over the years.
I’ve been buying more Blu-rays. Streaming apps keep taking away movies.
I don't think it will until players get a lot more scarce and expensive.
Why does HDR Dolby vision video not work sometimes? It is in HDR dolby vision mode I mean I always want the video to be in beautiful and high quality HDR colors
Can we get an update on your HT?
Physical media and even pirating has preservation compared to streaming and digital. For example, the Xbox 360 digital store is closing permanently on July 29th, 2024. The digital games rely on someone servers and the games can't be played that relys on using someone else server and it affects multiplayer gaming. I tried to play a multiplayer game but the server was shut down permanently on pc. I had to buy the same games all over again multiple times on my game consoles. There is no long term reliability and preservation and archiving with digital and streaming due to licensing fees, drm and force arbitration. For instance, it would be like the equivalent of renting a car with subscription services if the car dealerships went that route even the car is already fully paid off. The car dealerships decided to repossess the car because the consumer of the car stopped paying for the subscription service because cars can only be rental service only and no longer can be bought and locked behind a pay wall as a subscription service.
Can you do WiFi 7 Mesh shootout comparison for 6hz and 5hz device?
Here in Brazil Disney left us with Fox Marvel in 2020 and the rest of great studios in 2022
Thank you for this info, I knew and heard most before, and that 4k blu ray vs 4k streaming is better because of compression. What I am not sure of is when a new movie comes out on 1080P Blu Ray vs 4k streaming? Which is better? I am never quite sure which to buy?
It depends on the streaming service. I've seen some very impressive 4k HDR streams from netflix vs the 1080p blu-ray counterpart but I've never pixel peeped it at a scientific level.
Apple TV and movies anywhere app have superior video for purchases over traditional streaming
Yo Chris😊
Streaming all day. Besides physical media owners not being able to tell the difference btw streaming and blu ray in a blind test with any regularity, with streaming I've got 10s of thousands of movies at my fingertips. Only one option and it’s streaming.
I would agree with this. Plus as I am getting older, there's just less and less new things I want to watch. I already own all my favorites and most times I find myself renting through Apple or using FAST services. There's no clutter to deal with and you can save a lot of money. If you're interested in buying things, Apple always has tons of sales going and tons of stuff is being redone in 4K.
The problem I am having with physical media as an older collector is the lack of a number of major old catalog titles on 4K. Ben Hur, Cleopatra, The Rodgers and Hammerstein Collection and a number of major classic old movies are not available. Instead there is a lot of older horror movies and slasher trash that they put out quickly. A lot of us would buy the good stuff if they would just put them out.
The titles you've mentioned already have superb blu-ray releases, and I eventually expect to see all of them on 4K in the near future. Warner Bros. is almost guaranteed to release BEN-HUR in 4k on or before it's 70th anniversary. The other titles are 20th Century Fox releases in 70mm, so 4K upgrades are likely now that Disney has optioned the Fox catalog to Sony for physical releases. Paramount and Columbia are already slowly but surely releasing their classics for 4k upgrades and rising sales will probably be making it sooner rather than later. Criterion seems to be re-releasing a lot of their classics in 4k lately as well.
@@TheVid54 I have the blurays. They could be better. Some of the R&H Blurays are hideous, especially The King And I. I just really get tired of seeing the classic hormonally imbalanced fan boy crap released before the classics are.
Another problem is that old movies that are available in 4k are not true 4k rather a upscaled 1080p version
Physical discs any day! Better sound and video...period.
4k is the way to go for best visual and audio quality.
Streaming is like at 30% of what a 4k physical provides.
You also should of mentioned that bluray 1080p physical copy looks better than a UHD "4K" stream.
It really depends on the Blu-ray quality and quality of the stream. I’ve seen it go both ways with physical 1080p vs web UHD.
I think Apple might have the best infrastructure when it comes to their rental service, but sadly it feels like they are trying to squeeze people away from renting and just using streaming services.
I wish they could offer a “deluxe” streaming tier that allows you to stream *and download* higher quality, at least 20-30mbps versions of the films you have purchased.
This is the first I’ve learnt about the Kaleidoscope but I’m unsure why it has to be a dedicated box, and if I bought one I’d be afraid that one day the service will no longer be available and it would have been a huge waste of money.
Kaleidescape has been around for a long time but I believe the method they are using was blessed by the movie industry so they stuck with it.
Redbox had been around for a while too. I hope you didn't purchase any digital movies from them.
Streaming quality can be great…
…but only when your internet connection is stable
Streaming is value.. I only buy a month from time to time and I get a lot out of it.
Blu-ray is premium for me and I buy most of them second hand for cheap..
Streaming at its end, 4k blu-ray is the future of film preservation. Cheap folks don't understand.
Not exactly the DVD is beating the s
4k blu-ray has better picture quality then steaming
It isn't noticeable most times.
Not once have i heard of kaleidoscape. At that price why wouldn’t you just build a htpc? At least you could do other things with it. Or maybe buy a mac mini and slap a hard drive on it. More functionality. Really odd, seems like something for someone that has more money than sense.
Ripping blurays is they way to do it.
Makes me wonder if I even need an OLED tv 📺 since I stream everything
Streaming still looks amazing on OLED
I will stay with physical media until the heat death of the universe.
Call me a Rebel!!! What’s the most popular, yet easy to use Bly Ray ripper app?
I hate streaming. I’ve had more technical issues, constantly having to log in to some services, no control over availability, lack of special features on a lot of content, … With Blu-ray, just stick it into the player and relax.
Buying more blu rays and 4ks than ever. Streaming will die
Wait so is a 1080p blu ray gonna have greater fidelity than a 4K HDR stream?
From some streaming services yes. But not always.
@@ChrisMajestic thanks for the info! (Love ur videos btw) I actually got inspired by your projector videos to grab one for myself and start a budget home theater setup. The BenQ HT2060. I noticed you never reviewed it specifically, but I think it’s definitely one to try out! The picture quality is outstanding, and your reviews and comparisons are so great, I think a lot of folks in the budget category could benefit from one of your reviews :) anyway, thanks again!
Physical is king!
Zidoo player for the win!
Kaleidescape is the 👑 for those who can afford it
As a 3D fanatic i buy blu-ray to watch movies in 3D.. otherwise I’ll just stream
There are applications and ways of ripping from 'streaming' services. 😁 But long live physical media and ways of owning the content you pay for.
What about Sony's Bravia core?
So you can honestly tell me without a doubt that you do notice a difference between Bluray and fx Netflix and how much difference is it then 10% 50% or 100%. Is Netflix (or other streaming services) quality at max so bad that you could in no possible way enjoy the movie or is this as pointless as a fps war in gaming world where people are so focused on higher fps that they never even enjoy playing the game
If a movie doesnt release on Bluray i just pirate it 💀 Netflix and co. thinking they are slick 💀
Kaleidescape
not rich, BD all day for the important titles, download for the casual stuff...
Update bluray is not dying.
With Plex handbrake and the such I can do that with a lot less that 4k