worth it? it's a big no for me, why? because it's a never ending expense. i have between 1,500 to 2000 dvds n blu rays, if it allowed downloading my blu rays onto the server then fine, i'd pick one up today. the problem is i have to buy movies i already have all over again, and at prices we paid when dvd first landed... 20-40 bucks a pop. kaleidescape is like buyin a car, you never finish spending money on it!
Couple more points to add. I agree only buy the blockbusters and enjoy the highest quality. I do the same. Two more points I would add. #1 Purchase movies you liked growing up watching that were blockbusters. These movies have been released on 4K Blu-Ray and then K-Scape gets a copy as well. So instead of purchasing the blu-ray, which I still do, you can also pick it up on the K-Scape, or only pick it up on the K-scape. #2. Movies in theaters that are available early on K-Scape for $39.99 may be worth it, instead of taking the family to the theater and spending $200, buy it for your home theater on the K-Scape. They do however, need to bring the price down for the masses. And most people forget that K-Scape shut down once.
Everyone compares it to streaming ( Apple tv etc. ) how would a Kaleidascape compare to a Zappiti or a Zidoo or R_volution when you have Ripped your UHD via Remux ? The answer is Exactly the same i would say, even if its only 85% of the K-Scape, which means you wont know the difference unless its a side by side situation.
If you have new OLED especially MLA then scape isn’t for you. This is a service for large scale projector home theaters. For the mass population with high brightness TVs we will want content that has the mapping for high brightness via Dolby Vision and or HDR10+. It’s kind of a shame they don’t have these options as the new micro led 110+ TVs are coming in fast and the GUI is slick. For us HDR needs we REMUX and stick to direct play or stream via Plex Jellyfin etc. obviously this is my opinion. I haven’t used zap but looks interesting but nonetheless REMUX a disc for TV > K Scape until they add better HDR content for the prices they want. 🍻
It's cool, but it costs too much money. I would like to see Sony get in the server, streaming realm. They could give Kaleidscape a run for their money.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Ferrari's have way more value, this is a software box... WAY too overpriced, ill continue to rip my bluerays and upload to my own media server.
I see you have a 6 Terra Server about 50% full. I agree with your opinion regarding "only buy Blockbuster or Demo worthy movies". I'm curious...how many movies do you have on your server. If I get one, I'd like to hold about 100 4K movies over time...but how many do you have on your server using 3 Terabyts? How many are 4K? I realize movies take up more space than others...Thanks
My biggest issue with KScape is this, the storage costs are absolutely highway robbery. An 8TB server is $5,000. I can buy a WD Red 8TB drive for under $200. I currently have a Synology NAS with nearly 500 Movies mkv rips, most in Dolby Vision, when available TueHD 7.1 ATMOS plus countless complete TV series and concerts, and the total cost for my hardware is about $900, and I have 28TB of storage, so I dont have to worry about redownloading anything or picking and choosing what to keep and what to delete. Is Plex as pretty, absolutely not, but the money savings is, is ripping discs time consuming, sure, but I have money to do other things, AND have a kick ass library of movies. When, not if, Apple releases their next player, and does bit for bit video and lossless audio, lets face it the movies are about the same price and they do Dolby Vision now, KScape will be in trouble and would not be shocked if Apple buys them outright, they have the means to do it.
Unless you rip your high bit rate uncompressed physical media Blu-ray Ultra HDs to a server. You can't compare the 4K Atmos movies you buy from iTunes to Kaleidescape or physical media.
I mean, I’m not sure what you mean. I only have an Apple TV. That is the only thing I use at home. This product is different and for the very quality discerning and at least mildly wealthy. If you have a six figure theater, you should watch your movies on this piece. That that’s the point, but if you want everything on one source feel free to do so you might never see the full potential of your theater if it’s really expensive.
I mean why have an Apple TV and a Kaleidescape instead of just a Kaleidescape. I would love to Kaleidescape have a Netflix, Disney Plus etc apps for shows that streaming service exclusives that aren’t on Kaleidescape
@@Kev4Kev Right..but KScape doens't do that. It's just for high end movie watching. switching sources on a surround sound receiver really isn't that big of a deal. For those that can afford a Kscape it's worth the extra effort
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAVif it’s just for movie watching why do they have tv shows in the store ? Switching sources can be a pain if you are doing it constantly.
@@Kev4Kev Again if you watched the video...which sadly msot commentors don't I can tell...I would tell you not to buy shows, rom coms etc on this. Its for the blockbusters and badass demos. Again it's for those that also have a Ferrari ..they pay $100K more to look better in the valet. I'd say this doesn't make sense to you....so it's not something you should buy. I always sell the right product for the right room. For those that have a six figure room I'd say it's silly not to watch the best content in there available without putting in discs. Right product for the right room and right client. Just like Cars.
One of the most over-priced piece of equipment, even though it does look well executed (GUI and all). But they clearly target people that are not... price-sensitive! As I hate the feeling of getting taken for a ride, I'll say no thanks! Looking forward to seeing some competitors in that space some day, and prices will come down by more than half I'm sure!
The unit that I have is a player and hard drive..not sure what you're crying laughing about when you don't understand the product. There are HD and players separate..and there are combo units..the new $4000 unit is also a combo unit player and HD and they expand.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV not really sure what you’re saying. I’m wondering is it better than remux of the disc? Does it have better bit rates than what I can get off UHD disc? Remux is 1:1 digital copy.
Honestly, I’m too busy to look right now, but I can tell you the last time I was on their website. I did see graphs and all of their bit rates versus other technologies, etc.
@@SRMB1 I can tell you that even if it is in the end, the same exact quality of whatever you’re talking about people will pay extra for the user interface and the ability to set up demos through scripts, etc. The same reason people buy a Ferrari over a Porsche 911. people sometimes pay crazy money for little differences. It’s the luxury world. I believe it is the same quality as a Blu-ray disc. I believe on their website there is a graph that shows the audio is higher, but don’t quote me on that. It definitely does things other technologies does not do.
Ok - but the “K” costs $4 grand plus? How does this make sense. As you said: How much disposable income do you have? I get it - but still does not make sense . . . to me.
To some people... $4K...is $4....it's all relative. It's in really expensive systems and works well within them...for others just buy the disc. It's a great product for those that want it. I sold one this week...
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Fair enough. Howl long before you review Epson QB 1000? Given the light bump, I expect you will be ecstatic! So far nothing from JVC regarding improvements to their budget models or maybe waiting for CEDIA next week?
After their last major price increase, I was only able to buy used 😮💨 Most of the movies are 🖕expensive, especially in Canada. Not all movies are on K, disappointing 😒 If you're not watching 4k Atmos probably stick to Apple TV / Disney better of the bunch for streaming. This company only cares about the 1% and not the little guy. The player is not badly priced, but the HD`s are 🖕 out to lunch... If you only have a 4k disk your kind of 🖕 to scan it into your library.
its not worth it , your just getting cheap , near field mixes , not theatrical mixes which is reserved for laserdisc high end for a proper THX sound system cinema , i wouldn't put kaleiderscape into a dog cat charity recuse shelter ( as ex retired protectionist ) i think its worthless piece of rubbish
I heard at the last highend show...every demo that used K-Scale had problems and had to be rebooted. Just because it is expensive does not mean it is reliable, nor does it mean it has the best picture quality. It is a expensive toy for the rich or the reviewers who get good deals for doing reviews
@@TheRsxer63 That's because those shows only have wifi repeaters and are HEAVILY overrun with traffic at those shows. Has literally nothing to do with the unit. I've never had to reset mine and I've had it for years. Fake news
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Still do not see who they can be better than a disc...strictly better in convenience and possibly interface. I looked into them and I think it is a waste of money, only for the rich and not necessarily a better picture either.
@@TheRsxer63 Well I don't think I said it's better than disc. I'ts the same...and it's convenience. People....rich people...will pay a lot for that. Which is why they sell them. Worth the money to a person on a teachers salary no...not who they are targeting. So I think you're just agreeing with what I said in the video lol
Recently installed strato c with terra, I’m loving it, played Edge of Tomorrow invasion scene demo and it was a true atmos experience
Awesome...enjoy
worth it? it's a big no for me, why? because it's a never ending expense. i have between 1,500 to 2000 dvds n blu rays, if it allowed downloading my blu rays onto the server then fine, i'd pick one up today. the problem is i have to buy movies i already have all over again, and at prices we paid when dvd first landed... 20-40 bucks a pop. kaleidescape is like buyin a car, you never finish spending money on it!
Everyone is allowed to have their opinion.
Couple more points to add. I agree only buy the blockbusters and enjoy the highest quality. I do the same. Two more points I would add. #1 Purchase movies you liked growing up watching that were blockbusters. These movies have been released on 4K Blu-Ray and then K-Scape gets a copy as well. So instead of purchasing the blu-ray, which I still do, you can also pick it up on the K-Scape, or only pick it up on the K-scape. #2. Movies in theaters that are available early on K-Scape for $39.99 may be worth it, instead of taking the family to the theater and spending $200, buy it for your home theater on the K-Scape. They do however, need to bring the price down for the masses. And most people forget that K-Scape shut down once.
Agreed.
Everyone compares it to streaming ( Apple tv etc. ) how would a Kaleidascape compare to a Zappiti or a Zidoo or R_volution when you have Ripped your UHD via Remux ? The answer is Exactly the same i would say, even if its only 85% of the K-Scape, which means you wont know the difference unless its a side by side situation.
Might be true. I don't sell DIY options....because why would I. So I am talking about products that we sell and that are for sale. : )
Zap/Zid , not even close comparison to K 🙄
If you have new OLED especially MLA then scape isn’t for you. This is a service for large scale projector home theaters. For the mass population with high brightness TVs we will want content that has the mapping for high brightness via Dolby Vision and or HDR10+. It’s kind of a shame they don’t have these options as the new micro led 110+ TVs are coming in fast and the GUI is slick. For us HDR needs we REMUX and stick to direct play or stream via Plex Jellyfin etc. obviously this is my opinion. I haven’t used zap but looks interesting but nonetheless REMUX a disc for TV > K Scape until they add better HDR content for the prices they want. 🍻
@@SRMB1 It's fine but not everyone can build media PC's etc in order to Remux their discs etc.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV they can w the money they are spending. They just don’t want to 😁.
It's cool, but it costs too much money. I would like to see Sony get in the server, streaming realm. They could give Kaleidscape a run for their money.
Could say that about a lot of luxury items people own....Doesn't make it not great. Just for a certain type
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV yeah that is true. It basically boils down to if you are willing to pay the cost.
100%. People that own Ferrari's don't say they aren't worth it...
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV for sure. If I could I would push a big body Bentley.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Ferrari's have way more value, this is a software box... WAY too overpriced, ill continue to rip my bluerays and upload to my own media server.
Did you finish your Theory Pro Display Room yet? If so, do you have a video of it?
Not the fancy room...we are moving showrooms now. But I did put the Theory surround system in here not just 2ch...and everyone LOVES it
I see you have a 6 Terra Server about 50% full. I agree with your opinion regarding "only buy Blockbuster or Demo worthy movies". I'm curious...how many movies do you have on your server. If I get one, I'd like to hold about 100 4K movies over time...but how many do you have on your server using 3 Terabyts? How many are 4K? I realize movies take up more space than others...Thanks
I think there are like 100 on there now.
My biggest issue with KScape is this, the storage costs are absolutely highway robbery. An 8TB server is $5,000. I can buy a WD Red 8TB drive for under $200. I currently have a Synology NAS with nearly 500 Movies mkv rips, most in Dolby Vision, when available TueHD 7.1 ATMOS plus countless complete TV series and concerts, and the total cost for my hardware is about $900, and I have 28TB of storage, so I dont have to worry about redownloading anything or picking and choosing what to keep and what to delete. Is Plex as pretty, absolutely not, but the money savings is, is ripping discs time consuming, sure, but I have money to do other things, AND have a kick ass library of movies.
When, not if, Apple releases their next player, and does bit for bit video and lossless audio, lets face it the movies are about the same price and they do Dolby Vision now, KScape will be in trouble and would not be shocked if Apple buys them outright, they have the means to do it.
Most can't build their own...and this is for those that don't care for sure.
the user interface and back end stuff is cool.
Apple TV and 4k DVD is not the same.
Certainly didn't say it was the same...K-scape and BluRay 4K are the same...for the most part.
How’s the picture and sound quality compared to actual physical media? Is it any better?
Same..but technically better on paper they claim....it's for those that hate physical media and that's a lot of people.
@TheaterAdvice_FCAV the versus the zedoo 800uhd Which is better???
Great list, I am just starting to check them out.
Glad you enjoyed the video. One of my favorites.
I think I'll invest in an Apple TV, I currently have the Amazon Cube in my theater.
Love Apple TV. I own one in every room of my house.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV cool. I am not Apple fan😂😂😂but I guess I'll break down and get one.
@@percybedford6266 Get a Roku then...same stuff realy different flavor and UI.
Unless you rip your high bit rate uncompressed physical media Blu-ray Ultra HDs to a server. You can't compare the 4K Atmos movies you buy from iTunes to Kaleidescape or physical media.
@@chebrubin Correct.
Top gun has weak atmos. Atmos is static and not dynamic
It's ok...not my favorite demo. Actually doing that video next...my favorite demos. stay tuned.
Why use Apple TV ? Why would one want to have a bunch of devices when you could have one device ?
I mean, I’m not sure what you mean. I only have an Apple TV. That is the only thing I use at home. This product is different and for the very quality discerning and at least mildly wealthy. If you have a six figure theater, you should watch your movies on this piece. That that’s the point, but if you want everything on one source feel free to do so you might never see the full potential of your theater if it’s really expensive.
I mean why have an Apple TV and a Kaleidescape instead of just a Kaleidescape. I would love to Kaleidescape have a Netflix, Disney Plus etc apps for shows that streaming service exclusives that aren’t on Kaleidescape
@@Kev4Kev Right..but KScape doens't do that. It's just for high end movie watching. switching sources on a surround sound receiver really isn't that big of a deal. For those that can afford a Kscape it's worth the extra effort
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAVif it’s just for movie watching why do they have tv shows in the store ? Switching sources can be a pain if you are doing it constantly.
@@Kev4Kev Again if you watched the video...which sadly msot commentors don't I can tell...I would tell you not to buy shows, rom coms etc on this. Its for the blockbusters and badass demos. Again it's for those that also have a Ferrari ..they pay $100K more to look better in the valet. I'd say this doesn't make sense to you....so it's not something you should buy. I always sell the right product for the right room. For those that have a six figure room I'd say it's silly not to watch the best content in there available without putting in discs. Right product for the right room and right client. Just like Cars.
One of the most over-priced piece of equipment, even though it does look well executed (GUI and all). But they clearly target people that are not... price-sensitive! As I hate the feeling of getting taken for a ride, I'll say no thanks! Looking forward to seeing some competitors in that space some day, and prices will come down by more than half I'm sure!
could say that about any high end thing in the world... just means it's worth that money to those poeple. This is a luxury item.
So the movies will not work without the player? 😂😂😂
The unit that I have is a player and hard drive..not sure what you're crying laughing about when you don't understand the product. There are HD and players separate..and there are combo units..the new $4000 unit is also a combo unit player and HD and they expand.
So its just remux movies?
Does a lot more than others ....or poeple wouldn't want it. But I do say it's a super luxury product. Not everyone can or even should buy it.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV not really sure what you’re saying. I’m wondering is it better than remux of the disc? Does it have better bit rates than what I can get off UHD disc? Remux is 1:1 digital copy.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV does it have better bit rate than 50-60 Mb/sec on video and say 3200 kb/sec audio?
Honestly, I’m too busy to look right now, but I can tell you the last time I was on their website. I did see graphs and all of their bit rates versus other technologies, etc.
@@SRMB1 I can tell you that even if it is in the end, the same exact quality of whatever you’re talking about people will pay extra for the user interface and the ability to set up demos through scripts, etc. The same reason people buy a Ferrari over a Porsche 911. people sometimes pay crazy money for little differences. It’s the luxury world. I believe it is the same quality as a Blu-ray disc. I believe on their website there is a graph that shows the audio is higher, but don’t quote me on that. It definitely does things other technologies does not do.
Ok - but the “K” costs $4 grand plus? How does this make sense. As you said: How much disposable income do you have? I get it - but still does not make sense . . . to me.
To some people... $4K...is $4....it's all relative. It's in really expensive systems and works well within them...for others just buy the disc. It's a great product for those that want it. I sold one this week...
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Fair enough. Howl long before you review Epson QB 1000? Given the light bump, I expect you will be ecstatic!
So far nothing from JVC regarding improvements to their budget models or maybe waiting for CEDIA next week?
@@marvinabugov4579 Yeah I'll be at CEDIA so I'll see what's there. I know most of it already though
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Great. Look forward to what you have to report.
Want it but not quite in my budget yet
Yeah it's a luxury item for sure.
"sand granduals "
Granules of sand...yup lol. no "D"
After their last major price increase, I was only able to buy used 😮💨 Most of the movies are 🖕expensive, especially in Canada. Not all movies are on K, disappointing 😒 If you're not watching 4k Atmos probably stick to Apple TV / Disney better of the bunch for streaming. This company only cares about the 1% and not the little guy. The player is not badly priced, but the HD`s are 🖕 out to lunch... If you only have a 4k disk your kind of 🖕 to scan it into your library.
Yeah it's a luxury item for sure.
Plex is better and cost less
I have and still use both. Plex is not even close.
Agreed.
@@avtechman77I also agree
DVD quality 😂
Yup...It's 4K bluray quality. Not sure what's funny about it.
its not worth it , your just getting cheap , near field mixes , not theatrical mixes which is reserved for laserdisc high end for a proper THX sound system cinema , i wouldn't put kaleiderscape into a dog cat charity recuse shelter ( as ex retired protectionist ) i think its worthless piece of rubbish
Well the AV world disagrees…lol. Since it’s in EVERY high end demo at CEDIA every year.
I heard at the last highend show...every demo that used K-Scale had problems and had to be rebooted. Just because it is expensive does not mean it is reliable, nor does it mean it has the best picture quality. It is a expensive toy for the rich or the reviewers who get good deals for doing reviews
@@TheRsxer63 That's because those shows only have wifi repeaters and are HEAVILY overrun with traffic at those shows. Has literally nothing to do with the unit. I've never had to reset mine and I've had it for years. Fake news
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Still do not see who they can be better than a disc...strictly better in convenience and possibly interface. I looked into them and I think it is a waste of money, only for the rich and not necessarily a better picture either.
@@TheRsxer63 Well I don't think I said it's better than disc. I'ts the same...and it's convenience. People....rich people...will pay a lot for that. Which is why they sell them. Worth the money to a person on a teachers salary no...not who they are targeting. So I think you're just agreeing with what I said in the video lol
Good idea about only buying top movies 😊
yeah extends it's usage....no need for a rom com on a Kscape.