WarGames clip - WOPR described
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- The WOPR is described here as a machine that "thinks" about World War 3 all the time. I find the anthropomorphisation of the process of computer operations curious. It seems to be a factor that plays into suggesting the WOPR, as able to "make decisions" like a human, can legitimately order a nuclear missile launch without requiring a human to actually carry out the final step.
I was so impressed by this as a kid. This was like elite fucking tech. And scary.
Well, the Cold War was fucking terrifying, after all. What a weird time to have grown up.
The best part (irony!) was knowing that, if the balloon went up, we were going to be sooty smears on the school playground.
Nothing about those times was especially cuddly. We really needed the distractions!
@@KrillLiberatorthe Cold War was not terrifying. Stop exaggerating.
@xr6lad Yes it was
@@mosheridan7016No it wasn't.
No computer named after a hamburger will ever function properly.
@TheCoolProfessor
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And that's only one reason that I will never buy a "Mac" wahahaha
@@codeoptimizationware2803 Brilliant!
"Your artificial heart's electronics are managed by BCN-8-R."
@@codeoptimizationware2803 Now that was clever!
Yea 1999 Had a AS/400 not Y2K friendly. Co-Worker slapped a WOPR sticker on the server. Laughed my ass off.
the more complex a system, the more prone to failure..........Engineering 101. Doesnt matter if its mechanical,electrical or electronic. The more code, switches,levers,cogs or moving parts .........the more opportunities for unintended consequences, design oversights or points of attack.
That is why we need to create an AI able to fill oversights and unintended consequences. By giving it complete control over every single system in the entire world skynet will save us from ourselves.
The more they overthink the plumbing the easier it is to plug up the drain.
Cpt. Montgomery Scott
Hence todays supply train issues. This is not encouraging. Too many moving parts, way too important. I can see the failure of complex systems. : (
Complexities? Luxury! _Complications_ are much worse!
That is why Object Oriented Programming was created to simplify the coding process and turn those big chunks of codes into manageable objects. If the W.O.P.R were real, then it also runs on A.I.
*You Want Thermonuclear Fries With That ?*
No I'll take the atomic fire union rings please
You cut out McKitrick's last words: "You won't regret this." LOL!
Famous last words.
I cannot think of a single machine from the 80's that made that rumble sound. They mostly whirred and clicked.
Yet such a satisfying sound!
I think it’s to underscore how powerful the computer was, that it was running too fast or too many computations to sound like whirs and clicks of the average machine
@@zachhoward9099 "the computer", heh!!
Is that you, Computer Professor?
I had an 81 Monte Carlo that made a hell of a rumble sound, So there's that.
The WOPR was a diesel-driven model. Very rare.
RIP Dabney Coleman!!! He played such a great role in this movie!!! 😢💔🙏
In other words, SkyNet
More like Colossus.
P-1
And the control of one man with it. The General pressed the buttons WOPR needed to act, but because of what WOPR was showing. Which was pretty much the same thing that happened in Terminator 3.
"Skynet controls the forces."
"And you control Skynet."
Such a good movie. They don't make them like this any more.
i dont know Ford vs Ferrari was pretty awesome
This is a blast from the past. Won tickets to this movie on a radio show when I was 14-15. And me and a high school friend got a train to the city after school to see a premier showing in our city put on by the station. Was the first time both of us had got a train to the city by ourselves. Big adventure.
The WOPR is going to FLAME-GRILL the earth! :O
Who else typed "lets play global thermonuclear war" into their Commodore 64 and was dissapointed when they got a syntax error ?
Looks like it was just you!
When I was doing research and software testing for some AI stuff, my employer sent me a hot-rod machine to work with. 64 CPUs, 4 cores each, 64 GB of RAM, and this was around 2001, so no slouch. I ended up having to run two new dedicated circuits to my lab because the machine tripped regular breakers. It's hostname? 'WOPR' of course. ;D I was so sad when I had to give it back.
Around 2001?! What in the name of Malvin & Jim was THAT?! SGI ?
@@piotrd.4850 Thou shalt not take the name of Malvin & Jim in vain
I'm not aware of any motherboard that could accept 64 CPUs in 2001... much less support 64GB RAM... Or why they wouldn't just have you on site... or connect via Internet.
And what are 'dedicated circuits'? Isn't that just electric power? How do you run a computer on two or more power outlets??
@@GregMoress He's most likely referring to a server rack. In a typical datacenter there's indeed "dedicated circuits" (AKA power whips) which run underneath the floor to which the PDUs plugs into. Enterprise servers have two or more power supply units for redundancy which plug into separate PDUs. If the breakers trip then you need to either upgrade the circuit to 60 amps (if not already) or run an additional power whip with another PDU installed.
@@0x1EGEN But he said they sent it to him.
I seriously doubt a company would trust to a non-employee with all that inventory. And if he was an employee he'd work in the building.
Also, why didn't he say a rack, or 16 boxes to network together? He said a computer.
The Internet is filled with people who lie about anything and everything.
Would a pro use such noobie language?
Bureaucrat: WOPR.. What is that?
McKittrick: It's a flame broiled all beef patty on a sesame seed bun with mayo, lettuce, tomato, pickles, ketchup, onion, and with or without cheese. But that's not important.
Ok, so, the WOPR has role played WWIII countless times by the start of the movie, but it’s not until the end of the movie that it suddenly realizes, “Hey, everyone’s dying, every single time”
Jeffrey McCloskey which proves an important part about Artificial Intelligence. It is only as valuable as the lessons you teach it. Contrary to popular belief, Artificial Intelligence really can't learn something unless the programmers give it access to the underlying lessons.
It is impressive that this movie nailed it 35 years ago. WOPR was never given the option of considering a game that was ultimately unwinnable. There was always a winner and loser in its simulations based on body count, because that is how programmers set up the rules.
Forcing it to play itself in tic-tac-toe opened up a gameplay style that it had not been able to pattern before, after it ran the calculations with the new parameters it realized that any war scenario always made the player worse off for playing in the first place.
AI only learns based on parameters set by humans. If those parameters are wrong or unrealistic, AI really goes off the rails.
glad it didn't learn how to cheat
@@rascallyrabbit717 That's the point. You give it the rules, and that is all it knows. If you tell it to omit the rules, it's not cheating - it's acting within its commands.
The death count is the "score." So it knows how to fight a war of attrition. The whole point is that WOPR makes decisions like there is always a winner and a loser, but doesn't understand futility.
@@ryankelly369 That lesson came at the end when it was force fed all the scenarios, and had Tic Tac Toe to compare it to. When both sides know what they are doing, nobody wins. But where nuclear war is concerned, even with advantage on one side, it is still stalemate.
Meanwhile the Soviet Comrades had the BIG M.A.C. (MEGA ASS CALCULATOR), operating at mind-boggling 20 MHz with uncomprehensive 4 MB of RAM.
I didn't know the bassist for Ok Go also worked on the WOPR!
BorlandC452
1980s: WOPR supercomputer
2010s: Flash game
WarGames was not the first science fiction work to explore such questions. In fact, I found WarGames to be very derivative of "Colossus: The Forbin Project" done some 13 years prior. What is interesting about WarGames, however, is its relatively realistic depiction of hacking via Demon/WarDialling, and the fact that computers can learn to play games quite effectively given experience on a decision tree. It's what heuristics is all about. As computers have gotten faster, they've only gotten better.
Fail Safe as well is good watching to go along with that.
@@samsonguy10k in Failsafe, the override defeats were accomplished manually the only computers were for guidance and targets
Well, it wasn't far fetched considering that somebody once put trianing programme on NORAD production.... the movie practically happened.
The Fed that recommended McKitricks idea to the president; retired with a full pension, even after the monumental fuck up.
Of course
@David Hill - That’s AWESOME 😄😄😂
i love this movie
RIP Dabney Coleman.
"silly-cone diode" (snarf!!)
well just unplug the god damn thing!
S Row I don't have to take that from you, you pig-eyed sack of shit!
That wont work, unplugging the machine will let WOPER know an attack is immediate and it will continue eith the orginal attack order
Hell, I'd piss on a spark plug if it would do any good!
@@deathproofpony I use that line at least once a week! It's perfect for many FUBAR situations!
It would interpret a shutdown as the destruction of NORAD and would carry out its final orders and launch the missiles!
"Wopr eh? WRITE THAT DOWN AND MAKE IT DOUBLE" - Burgerking
What I don't get is why the computer had to play tic-tac-toe in the finale, in order to understand that nuclear war is unwinnable, if he ALREADY has "played WW3 as a game, time and time again..." according to that guy?
He was doing for so long and couldn't conclude that you can't win in a nuclear war and then suddenly realised it after playing tic-tac-toe?
Or WOPR and Joshua were separate entities in the same computer? Then why didn't WOPR came to the same conclusion as Joshua?
Someone else explained this very well. Untill it was teached tic-tac-toe, everything it "knew" was there is always a winner and a loser. The tic-tac-toe teached it, it isn't necessarily so. And with that knowledge it then had a new look at the war games.
To gain reference, additional insight.
so basically it has 1 day of down time every 4 years then.
LOL, it gets to relax on the leap year.
OMG! He said the title of the film!
Roll Credits!
0:22 -- I think that guy's dialogue was originally supposed to say, "Well, the Whopper spends all its time being eaten by me."
He ended up a doorman in New York.
I like the sound of this super computer. When I was a kid, I thought that all the big computers made that sound.
This is one of the few movies I actually enjoy watching
1:17: is that Barry Corbin from the Ranch?
Yes it is!
he's got an impressive WOPR
Today a single watch has more computing power than that room.
This is how Skynet happened.
Skynet = WOPR + Microsoft
@@ObsidianParis No the real Skynet. It was actually created just like in the film.
Do you suspect the lights that are flashing on there or playing inside of your breaker size or do you think they're playing on the outside of your breaker size
The fun part about "not trusting the overgrown pile of microchips" is the fact that you could enter a nuclear silo ... delivering pizza.
It all would've been fine had it not been for that open line at their space division in Sunnyvale.
@Defender of the Weak
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Why's that? IIRC, Sunnyvale, CA is in Silicon Valley, which makes a lot of sense as far as computer technology, especially in those days. What's the problem? ???
@@codeoptimizationware2803 It's been a while since I've seen this movie, but IIRC that's how David gets into the system.
Dabney Coleman is a damn fine actor. 🤔
The only way to win is NOT to play.
Funny. The WOPR and the rest of the tape machines will all fit on laptop.
It fits in my iPad. I can launch the warheads right now. 😂
The lights just keep blinking out of sequence
blinking... and beeping and blinking AND BEEPING *_I CANNOT TAKE IT ANYMORE!_*
When's the last time you put anything on the inside you don't necessarily have to attach it
Funny how that General was also General Carville in Red Alert 2. (just much older)
How did I get here ? I'm deepply confuse, but hey thanks for the samples ;) Good materials here
WOPR- the prototype of Skynet
Will it tell me where the ticket is?
No that would be cheating
Actually it becomes self aware and locks out the code breaker. It’s a Joshua code. 1704 is a battle user had with the Swiss. TKS means chieftains. CPE is an economic term. Do self aware mission systems have safeguards against self aware “Thanatos”? After the fall of “icarus” rise of “Rasputin” and the distraction of the princess bride “land war in Asia”. Then the rise of “Arishem” and “galactius”
We now basically have the technology to do this.
0:53 the look that says, 'SHUT THE HELL UP PAUL!'
Now after the events of the film they would have had to have a post mortem. Presumably Professor Falken would have had to take part. What would he would have concluded in relation to this important scene? Might it have been that the men in the silos who didn't want to launch the milles were, in fact, right.
What side of the water molecule square square
i have one of those at home it actually looks like those old nuclear launch copter in the silos.
Hmm i never noticed this before. Its the general guy who says uh i would not trust a machine to make war time decision, then of course all hell breaks lose when Matt Broderick breaks into the WOPR and starts a game.
I'd like a wopr with cheese.
WPR with Swamp coming up!
Thought the gum chewing lady was fantastic, she made the film a lot better.
That was Juanin Clay. Sadly, she passed away in 1995. Her character's rechewing Dabney Coleman's character's gum said it all about their relationship.
@@k7jeb
Wow. Just looked that up. She was only 45 ☹️
Sure. I wore a burger king paper hat when I was younger.
So WOPR turned into Google 😂😂
not found this film in internet - is is burning books -
WOPR with cheese, no pickles please. Product placement at its least subtle. Still a great film.
If it has all these scenarios in its database and plays an "endless series of wargames", why didn't it learn the lesson of nuclear stalemate months, if not years, ago?
It's not "silicone diode", it's "silicon diode"! Silicone is a gelatinous substance with silicon, the element, as it's major component.
Actually it works perfectly. Preventing nuclear war. Runs through all countries responses from any nuclear armed countries and strategies of those countries in response to nuclear plants oil pipeline disputes nada disputes and economic world economic pressures culture divides. Actually it's advanced to be able to identify personality traits of world leaders who might trigger a first strike. Like Christopher Wray being complicit to threatening Anna Chapman and going to Poland.
Silicone diode.
We have one now.
The WOPR is an early version of the 305th Kraken ! 🤫
😆
Looks and sounds like a idling locomotive .
Locomotives create more noise than that
alway have the curiosity if WOPR was an old real computer, or just a empty mock up?
My guess is an empty mock up for the movie. Computers were huge back then, especially a Supercomputer like the WOPR. A carry on luggage is smaller than the first laptops. Not to mention a pc back then in today's dollars was about $8K. Likely would have been several hundred thousand for a real supercomputer back then. Who knows maybe they filmed in a real location and just rented a data center for the movie?
100 percent a "mock up". It's mostly plywood, it's countdown timer was driven by an Apple II.
@@sanjeevpathak1345 It's not "real", it's mainly plywood. An Apple II drove the countdown timer, so that's as close to a computer the "WOPR" was.
Well, t he real computer was managing screens and set.
A whopper sounds pretty good right now!! Mmm.. 🍔
It’s a cheeseburger from Burger King!
I'm glad that we now live in a future without crazy computers only few Teslas killing their drivers.
W0PR!? impossiblé! 2 trillion dollar hardware don't make mistakes!
Advanced Game Theory all comes down to 50/50...or push 😎
#grangergloryhole
Tks is a chieftain tank hatch lol……watch the launch code at the end
I still say the computer mainframe looks like a locomotive..
Would probably sound like one too if its ventilation was in that room.
Never trust a silicone diode
The WOPR was a machine invented by Burger King. LMAO!
Land of the free. Home of the WOPR.
WOPR better known as Skynet
Like the whopper cheeseburger. I wore a burger king hey when I was younger but I didn't misuse a card at burger king in Bessemer
Most of our top level defense folks may soon be taken out by the Rona. Who carries the "Nuclear Football?"
You know what to do if they agreed and then turn her backs
Kind of like a burger king sandwich lol...I had a burger king paper crown when I was younger
try to look surprised. Be ready for a judgment
of course the computer has to make those noises 😂
Burger King, home of the WOPR.
Is that like a burger king sandwich?
Can I get extra cheese and a side of fries with that as well
...and best of all it runs on an Ethereum based encrypted blockchain so it cannot be hacked and it cannot be shut down.
0:23
Same here
And now thanks to innovation and Moores law, this iPhone im typing this message on has more power than this trillion dollar piece of defense department hardware
just make it go to any website if the bloated code etc dont eat its cycles then the coin miners sure will lol:)
If someone started telling me especially back then about entrusting all this to a computer, I'd call them Soviet Spies. Who in their right mind would agree to this?
Will it ease your mind to know, that today there are very influential people in politics and business who literally want to give human rights to an AI?
Saudi Arabia has already done it. Why wouldn't another country follow in the west?
And what ould you think of your leader being essentially an advanced calculator?
@@chomo54andbabyaisha97 I think that’s only with art and video right now bud
@@kdpowers Nope. Do your research. There is a great push to give AI human rights.
I wonder... would you agree to have an AI as leader of your country?
Group email responses to my responses lol .
WOPR Ricter.
Hell, I'd piss on a spark plug if it would do any good!
"would you like to play a game?"
Vlad Putin: "Yes"
Leon Peneta
Whopper? Wheres the Beef?
I just ate a WhOpPeR.
CFD
everybody there has a Whopper face