Jim Dandy not exactly. More along the lines of: “I wasn’t there.” “It wasn’t me.” “I didn’t do it.” “I didn’t know.” “I knew, but hoped it wouldn’t happen.” “I suspected, but wasn’t sure.” “I tried to stop it, but they wouldn’t listen.” “I told someone else to do it, so it’s on them.” “I don’t recall.” “I’m not sure.” “To my knowledge, no.” OH AND - “ “it’s not true” “That never happened.” “These are lies.” “This is anti-German propaganda.” Don’t believe me? Spend five minutes on google.
Kornel &Co. I have dual citizenship - EU and USA. Idiocy, unfortunately, is a worldwide disease that isn’t limited to America. Attempting to gauge someone’s IQ based on nationality is quite silly, really, especially when the nationality in question encompasses 350 million people. Do you do this often? If so, I’d highly advise you to rethink your logic.
@@JohnJohn-pe5kr Yes the americans never killed an entire village but an entire city,over 225.000 people died in the atomic bombs over 2 cities and many more over the regular b 17 raids over japan
@Popescu René This. My history teacher always said, if Hitler didn't get into power, Russia would be the bigger war criminal. But hey, indiscriminate killing is better than discriminate killing though amirite?
The scary thing is Hoess wasn't a psychopath, a fanatic, a sadist, or an amoral technocrat. He was an 'average man" who believed in what he was doing. "A rat catcher catching rats".
Everybody, even the civilians they all knew what was happening. Many don’t stop to think about how large a number 11 million is. This is NOT to say all Germans were supporting what was happening. I say eleven million, but most people think that it was only six million Jews. No one ever talks about the forgotten five million that were killed in the Holocaust I call them the forgotten 5 million because they only ever focus on the Jews not an all the 5 million non-Jews who were also killed in the holocaust. Shame most people think only the Jews died or suffered at the hands of the Nazis .
@@ITIsFunnyDamnIT well Japan, Great Britain, USSR, France and even the USA are not any better Japan did the same thing as germany, USSR with its own People, The British empire killed more People than any other nation in history, The French with their Slavery (you can say that for any European Country) and the USA with the Natives the only difference between All of them (except Japan) and Germany is Germany did it in the last 100 years And tbh wtf is no one Talking about japan? They did the same thing with the chinese and even more brutal but nobody talks about that!
I saw an interview with a Hamas fighter in an Israeli prison last year: He was calm, no visible sweat, no gun to his head, talking with his hands, describing how his superiors told him to move from Kibbutz to Kibbutz, killing everyone in his path and to imagine that everyone, regardless of age was an enemy combatant. And, yet, I hear constant calls to make peace deals with that man’s superiors and to release their comrades.
@@IsaiahRichards692 How about an interview with an IDF soldier who describes how his superiors ordered him to rape Palestinian women and kill 12 year old children throwing rocks? The murder of 1200 innocent Israelis was a brutal, insupportable act. The murder/incineration of 33,000 Palestinians is also a brutal act of t*rror.
That would be the great Brian Cox. He's stared in a lot of films and shows but my personal favorite will always be his role as major Hogan in the first two sharpe films.
This question was most certainly not asked in real life, and here's why: The Nazis had been in power for 6 years in 1939. Concentration camps had been up as early as 1932. There were most certainly quite a few golden Jewish teeth in his bank prior to 1939.
and he said directly before that, that the bank is not required to look into what is disposited at the bank, wich makes the question stupid because it was already answered
@@program4215 I'd ask the question anyway. If they did have records and there were teeth already in bank vaults, I'd say, "See? Don't have to be at war to be labeled a monster."
I don't think I've ever heard a more chilling testimony. I write this because I know that this drama is based on the official record. The actor who plays Hoess captures his amoral character perfectly!
You might be interested in the play THE TRIAL by Peter Weiss. The whole play is a rearrangement of quotes from the protocols of the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials, the trial where the staff of Auschwitz was judged. It was also the first trial against Nazis held by the Germans (the initiative came from state attorney Fritz Bauer, a hero of the young German democracy).
@@thedwightguy is this Colm Feore? I think he played Admiral Kimmel in PEARL HARBOR, as well as the paranoid and obsessed Lord Marshall of the Necromongers in THE CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK. In his day he was an actor that that can go from coldly detached, offhanded, to snarling menace at the blink of an eye, like a Hannibal Lecter, when he played the villain. Leading man acting chops.
Historical inaccuracy: Hoss didn't experiment with Zyklon B. One of his subordinates did while Hoss was in Berlin on business. Hoss was informed of the results after he returned. (He was pleased, obviously.)
Not true. Zyklon B was first used at Auschwitz in August 1941 on Russian POWs at the initiative of one of Hoss’ subordinates. The experiment was repeated a month later with Hoss watching. So his testimony is accurate here.
Even if what he did was evil it does show that he gave them some dignity before they died. I’m not saying what he did was right or even justified but it does show he cared to an extent about his prisoners. I want to say this again that I hate what he did was wrong evil.
Hoess is the very literal DnD definition of Lawful Evil, I'd say. Adhering to a strict personal code of yeses and nos (Lawful) doesn't necessarily indicate your overall morality (Evil).
Robert Jackson is presented in this movie as the hero of the trial, when in fact he was complete failure. He never once managed to outmanuver Goering and he simply kept reading tons and tons of papers throughout the trial which is why judges turned against him at one point as shown in this movie. On the other hand, Maxwell-Fyfe and British prosecution team kept bringing witnesses and presenting evidences which was what really destroyed defendants' defense.
Not surprised if Jackson mismanaged his case in real life, while Maxwell-Fyfe and the British prosecutors nailed their case. The latter - particularly RAF investigators - strung up many of the Gestapo men behind the Stalag III murders, while the US Army couldn’t hang any of the Waffen SS perps of the Malmedy massacre, including prime suspect Joachim Peiper
Robert Jackson, for all his experience as a lawyer, was very inexperienced in cross examinations, hence the showdown between Goering vs. Jackson, Goering, was able to get the better of Jackson during his cross examination, even impressing lawyers present to the effect that they commented that Goering's control of the situation and memory was "remarkable." This is also the reason why in the real trial, the British in particular were calling for witnesses and evidence, e.g., photos, video footage and affidavits, alongside paper evidence, etc. to give the trial more legitimacy instead of Jackson just reading paper evidence (copies of German orders and memorandums) all the time in a "show trial." Robert H. Jackson opening and closing speeches at the Nuremberg trial were really his only outstanding highlights to be frank. At the end of the day a trial regardless of the indictment and charges against the defendants or defendant is a "show" and if the prosecutor or prosecutors use just paper evidence all the time during a trial, the trial can become boring and stifling very quickly even to the Judge and Court staff. Trials require entertainment or even a little entertainment to keep people interested and engaged.
@@kk-qu1zc unfortunately you are not wrong, David Maxwell-Fyfe as Home Secretary in the 1950s did lead a repressive campaign against homosexual people in Britain. However, you can't look at his repressive campaign through 21st century lens but instead really only say Maxwell-Fyfe was a child of his time.
Goring's response to Ribbentrop's mistake has never been recorded in any of official records nor transcripts from the trial. However, somebody present in courtroom has indeed later stated that he had heard Goring say this.
Ribbentrop was one of those who couldn't buy respect--his mother-in-law once commented on how strange she found it that her most stupid son-in-law went furthest in life.
Seems like there's very little love between the members of the German high command. Actually, take out love. Not even respect, or common decency. And if they won't give even that much to each other, how much less so to the Jews they have deemed public enemy number one, the classical scapegoat: blame the outsider and the foreigner for all domestic woes, and rally the population against a foreign enemy to get both you as the leader, and the people, off the hook of blame. Oldest trick in the unscrupulous politician's book. Nero did it on the Jews and Christians. The Islamic leaders of the Arabian Nights took it out on the Shi'ites and the Kharijites. History is simply littered with this form of foul play. Disgusting, and always backfires eventually.
@@zhouwu I believe it was Hitlers paranoia and his use of the tactic of having his officers compete against each other that led to the feelings the officers had for each other. This tactic helped Hitler a lot and let him get the most out of his officers wich is why they were so successful on the battlefield while on the offensive. The problem comes when people who hate each other are tasked with defending each other.
"Prior to 1939, exactly how many of your customers deposited their teeth in your bank?" Just stunning, it leaves one speechless to hear such an incredible thing, ever having been said in a court of law; and this movie was based entirely on actual transcripts being recorded in the courtroom at the time of the trial.
To be fair that is a very awful argument made for shock value. The whole world was living a Great Depression in the 30s which led to many people, especially in Germany, into unemployment and despair. Selling personal belongings, including teeth, or depositing them in banks because you have nothing else, would definitely happen. If anything, Funk could use this argument to denounce the disastrous economy Germany was left with due to Versailles. Yes, we all know where the teeth came from, but this is an easily countered argument for a court of law and he could have made that association if he wasn't so caught up with the guilt.
@@braziliankaiser8304That's the point, though. You play the man, not the odds. They knew he would fold like a house of cards on the stand and took the risk.
@@pedro898 nothing bad aside from being forced to do it anyways, which it would've been a good argument. "I refused they threatened me and my family. What choice did have?"
When you are raised from birth to hate a specific group. With nothing but nonsense to fill your head day in and day out. Stuck in echo chambers the size of entire nations. Then are given the power to and ordered to exterminate this group. What do you think this person will do?
Why is it so hard to understand? What ever trained soldier does. Eliminate enemy troops as quickly and as efficiently as possible by the quickest means possible. But we draw the line at torture. Don't mistake what I am saying. What he did was wrong plain and simple.
Brian Cox, what a guy - exasperated, pious and raging in the time it takes to heat up soup. He really caught the emotional whirlwind behind so many war criminals
The fact that Hoess wanted to clarify that he didn't condone "wanton cruelty" in *Auschwitz* is stunning in terms of the kind of double-thinking and mental gymnastics people can put themselves through to convince themselves they're not the villain in their own life's story.
And thats why the Hoñocaust happened: middle clerck did their job as required and nobody felt they were villains. One gave the gas, one the fuel for the trucks, one gave the bullets for the guards and one signed paperwork
I’m not sure he was attempting to focus on the villain aspect of it. He was more concerned about not appearing sadistic, psychopathic or something of the sort. He wants to be seen as professional and clinical. Such is the culture of the Germanic communities: perfect to a fault. If they were to be murderers, then they would attempt to be the best murderers.
It doesn’t take “evil” men to do evil, it only requires men to convince themselves they are doing what needs to be done. That’s the true banality of evil: to treat it as a matter of everyday life.
I mean they weren’t wrong though, When they said “ We’re here because we lost the war if we didn’t you would be. “ it’s literal fact, Hoess was a loyal soldier to his country he was taught to follow orders.
He never saw them as human, he saw them as the enemy of his country and followed his orders with cold and calculating efficiency. Treblinka was so bad that the retreating Germans raised it to the ground, planted trees on top of it, and removed the train tracks and station going to it.
@@buzznfrog6702 it’s the reality and we stile see it today , Iraq , Syria , Yemen , Libya …… the west is talking about it more than casually … and yea Palestine to :-)
I love it, from 6:04 to 6:11 "I did not tolerate gratuitous Cruelty, my men were there to exterminate people, not torment them". Well that changes everything, what a Peach of a guy. TIC!
Yes. And as if the forced labor the others that arrived a Auschwitz endured was not torture! His pathetic argument/point therefore is even MORE meaningless!
No kidding, what he considered a "quality of mercy" is extremely shallow. Those people for the most part knew they were being herded to their slaughter and I can't imagine choking to death in a claustrophobic room full of crying and coughing people would be anything but a nightmare.
@@darthroden It must have been horrible experience for the members of Sonderkommando, seeing all these people destined for gas chambers. There was an uprising of Sonderkommando in Auschwitz KL. It doesn't surprise me.
Goring speaks of Japanese Americans in camps. Actually my family (Italian background) was relocated (not put in camps) by the US Government away from an oil refinery they lived near due to possible terrorist acts during WW2. My father's best friend, also Italian died in Iwo Jima yet his mother was relocated by the Navy because she lived too close to a navy base. German Americans also had similar and worse relocations, you just never hear about it. It was insulting, but a time of war.
It sucks that they went through that but any sensible person will realize what the axis powers did to the minority groups they persecuted was a thousand times worse. At least here in America there is an understanding that what we did to Japanese American citizens was wrong. had the axis powers won they would have glorified their war crimes in the history books.
@@joshuaortiz2031 And yet who in this day and age is glorifying their actions in the Second World War deliberately excluding the darker and sinister aspects of their own country and who isn't? UK and USA or Germany and Italy?
@@MrBell-iq3sm nobody is, only the uninformed and naive ones. i dont know what the education system is in the said countries, there may be censorship (japan im looking at you), but individually speaking, everyone has acknowledged that everyone did something bad in the war. history in this day and age is so accessible right now.
@Florian Cravic I'm not talking out of my ass I was in Iraq and saw atrocities committed over there with my own eyes. People here in the USA generally think every war America has started since world war 2 like Vietnam, korea, iraq, etc was wrong and unnecessary the only people glorifying those wars are right wing extremists we are not all like that. Shit even a big part of the republican party think those wars were unnecessary and unconstitutional. You don't know wtf you are talking about. Have you ever gotten to know any Americans personally? Where are you from?
@@MrBell-iq3sm we don't deliberately exclude anything. People here are educated about the Japanese internment camps, the terror bombing campaigns, the atomic bomb attacks. Shit even our modern world war 2 movies like saving private ryan depict americans killing axis troops that were trying to surrender. Clint eastwood even made a movie about iwo jima from the Japanese perspective that was very respectful and depicted americans killing Japanese troops that had surrendered. Most well done media about world war 2 here in America is very critical of our actions in the past. Stop with the god damn stupidity. America is not perfect but there is a growing awareness here that our actions in past wars were not always heroic.
Death star, maybe...! You do realize that goering was a peter puffer, and most of all an Idiot. He was so full of $hit, that he told hitler that he could supply Paulus' 6th Army & provide air support after they were surrounded.... real star.
The camera angle, the unblinking facial feature and the "matter of fact" tone in his voice when he states 2.5 million people were killed under his supervision is brilliant for cinema. It's unnerving and makes me feel sick to my stomach. Well done by everyone involved.
it's that eerie coldness and detachment to the fact he is in hand responsible for one of humanities greatest atrocities and he sounds like he is reading a end of year work report on his job it's terrifying that someone could be so detached.
@@EazyMothafuckingE You are probably right because, after some thinking, why would Herman Georing have such a strong interest and knowledge of American history that he would be aware of the Japanese internment camps and the segregationist policies of he USA toward black people. I am not sure though.
@@jileel well that was typical Whataboutism. There is quite huge difference. One country is taking specific minority as second class citizens. The other enslaves them and dispatch large ammount of resources during total war to build huge industrial complexes to exterminate them.
Everyone thinks of Goering as a buffoon and drug addict which is true. But also he had an IQ in the 140s and had not only won Germany's highest award for valor in WWI, after von Richthofen was killed Goering had been appointed commander of his squadron. He was a natural leader, charismatic and cultured. The discussion he has with the translator is entirely believable and I think is taken from real life.
He does, but a lot of it is flawed. Concentration camps are not death camps. And the nuclear bombs were built in the first place because it was feared the Germans would do it earlier. If he had pulled the Nagasaki versus Hiroshima card the would have been more credible in that count. The most glaring double standard of the US was always its racism, and it’s glaring segregation laws. Racism is repugnant and immoral, but even in that there are degrees of immorality, and of tolerance for it. (That difference is what Martin Luther King Jr. later counted in in his Civil Rights campaign). The “we are no worse” is the excuse of all sociopathic minds. And no, they are not right.
I read the memoirs of Hoess. He was asked to write them before his execution and complied and the portrayal was spot-on. While reading these memoirs I did not get the picture of a genuinely evil or ruthless man. From childhood to his rise in power he was three things above all else: obedient, diligent, thorough. There was a strong sense of detachment. I honestly think the idea of applying moral standards to his actions never occured to him. In the others you could see a sense of morals. They tried to hide, diminish their responsibilities. Either that or they were hateful sadists reveling in their cruelty towards their victims. In both cases there is a sense of right and wrong. The first category did something wrong and they knew it so tried to hide and evade. The second category did something wrong and they knew it and celebrated it much like a warrior who kills the husband rapes the wife and says ''What are you gonna do about it motherfucker?''. Not with Hoess. He neither hid from it nor reveled in it. He was simply doing his job following orders. This excuse was used by many to avoid retribution but with Hoess, and only Hoess, I believe it was the naked truth. In his memoirs a very clear picture is created. Absolute, unquestioning obedience to AUTHORITY. This authority took many forms. In his childhood it was his father, later prison authorities(he did some time because of nazi activities), still later SS leadership. He didnt think, he was a real-life ROBOT. For him if AUTHORITY said it was right then it was right. If AUTHORITY said it was wrong then it was wrong. Period. No concept of independent thought whatsoever. I honestly think that if instead of executing him they ordered him to go to Israel and help the Jews he was previously exterminating build a new life he would do it without a second thought. And of course he would have completed this task thoroughly and diligently and taken a bit of pride in his efficiency while helping Jews just like he did when killing them. It would have been fine because AUTHORITY said it was fine. As crazy as it sounds I dont believe he was an honest antisemite. At least not in thought. The others were. Not him. He was just a good bureucrat fullfilling his assigned function. The psychogists of the US Army that studied him advocated this view as well saying quote "This man shows a sense of detachment that could not have been greater in a frank psychotic." Only at the end, a few days before his execution by hanging did he consider, for the first time in his life I think, his actions from an ethics perspective and he immediately became repentant. This is reflected in a letter to his son advising him to not be like him. He said he had come to realize he had sinned gravely against humanity. Then, and this is very important, he advised his son to NOT BLINDLY OBEY AUTHORITY AS HE HAD but to question directives coming from above and to decide his actions for himself based on kindness and warmth from the heart. In my opinion this was a man of diminished responsibility and should not have been executed. He should have been put in a psychiatric hospital and studied. The data from such a study would have been invaluable and would have prevented future massacres by showing how people turn off their empathy when commanded to do so by AUTHORITY.
Your summation of Hoess was very concise and really needs no further psychological study or evaluation. Hanging was the best treatment for the cancerous zeitgeist of the age. Hoess's hanging was more valuable than continuous examination.
@@MrPlankinton How so? In one case we have a valuable specimen to study and indeed priceless first-hand testimony from someone who ran a massive death camp. A veritable treasure trove of info regarding human cruelty. In the other case we have just another useless corpse.
@@briliantsofficedesk188 I disagree. There were plenty of men (and a few women) executed for what happened at the death camps. More than enough for anybody to have their revenge (sorry closure). One more or less would not make a difference and this guy's.....personality deficiencies would have made for a very interesting study.
@@nikosgreek352 it was not your tragedy or your pain. you have no say whatsoever over what is or isn't "enough" closure. that falls only to the victims, who, i can promise you, would be outraged if Hoess lived. Have some respect. also, your proposed study would be pointless. we are already full aware of the extent to which ideology can fuel cruelty and evil, even in everyday people.
I live in Nurnberg since 2016, and for almost 2 whole years, I have passed by the very building this process was carried out. I have never heard of this movie, and since I visited the memorial where this whole thing actually happened, now I want to watch the movie SO BAD. It feels really weird, to pass the Nurnberg Process building 2 times a day at least, but it surely feels okay that justice happened.
5:29 look at this man’s face: he is absolutely horrified at what he just heard. 10,000 people a day could be “dispatched” at peak operation. He even leaned in with his mouth ajar as if to make sure he had heard the commandant correctly, only to seem out of breath and full of sorrow when he finally reclined in his char at the end of the testimony.!
you gotta realize too that during these trials everyone thought the nazis only killed maybe half a million people they were shocked when they found out they killed over 4 million people
1:45 say, wouldn't it be simple to just claim that he hadn't any idea of what was being deposited in the bank? After all, it is protocol in most if not all banks that the contents of SDBs stay not only safe, but also private.
It's not the same when accepting deposits of precious metals. They have to be weighed and documented. For example, when the US Federal Reserve takes deposits of bullion, it is weighed to within 1/100 of an ounce. Precious metals are essentially a currency, even in the 1940s. The SS wasn't bringing in a few kilograms of gold at a time and placing it privately in a deposit box. They were bringing in thousands of kilograms which the bank has to weigh to establish a chain of custody and a value. Also, the Germans were notorious record keepers. It's one of the reasons why the Allied prosecution had an overwhelming amount of physical evidence in many cases.
@@nilgill4642 hmm... Yes your answers make sense... But for the highest IQ, the most well educated and the arguably the least ideologically driven Nazi, you'd think Schacht would be careful to cover his ass to be able to deny accountability, whether or not he thought the Nazis were sure to win.
@@aotoda486 Maybe, but I think bankers (especially German bankers) are a lot more black and white than that. He may have just viewed it as another deposit, not really giving a second thought to where it came from. Also, given the German Nationalism at the time and the profit potential of war, he may very well have been convinced he would never have to answer to anyone but the Nazi Party.
@@nilgill4642 Considering how much crap the Allies had to pull out of their asses to "prove" that Generalplan Ost was real, I kinda doubt they were such great record keepers
Watch actual footage of Hoess' testimony at Nuremberg for a more interesting and truthful insight into the history of the Holocaust. This TV movie adaptation suffers - quite typically - from the tendency to sensationalize and to distort the source material and inserts blunt, simplistic messages into the script because filmmakers think their audiences are too dumb to pick up on a more nuanced performance. In any case, it's also rather hard to take seriously this performance because of the ridiculous faked accent. (Which does not sound like any kind of German accent, more like a really bad fake French accent.) Just do without the accents if you have all the characters speak English anyway.
You should just go watch the videos of the actual court proceedings if you can't possibly stand any dramatization of events. If you can sit through them.
I love how at the end the American officer says "It was wrong" as if that somehow wipes away the fact that it was happening. In america German POW's, literal enemies, some of whom probably had american blood on their hands were treated better than black soldiers. Even after the war there were a rash of lynchings where thousands of black veterans were targeted with essentially zero response from the federal government.
@Bee Hive "40% of UNIVERSITY educated Germans still have anti-semetic views." and what are the demographics of that group? What are their politics? Sure, there are fringe far-right lunatics who hold all the anti-semitic views, but we've seen that leftists are increasingly in agreement with the more "secular" nazis, in that ze juice control world banking and as good socialists they must oppose the money men at every turn. Plus conflating jewish heritage with the actions of the Israeli government. And then there are the middle-eastern people who are religiously motivated to hate jews.
@@ThePlayer920 You are anti-human. You are a traitor to the human species. You are a rabid animal who can only bite and gnaw. You are holding us all back because you CHOSE to get coked up on mindless hatred. You create nothing, you protect nothing, you are nothing.
This movie missed some of the weirdest and most interesting aspects of Goering, such as his penchant for painting his nails using ladies nail polish. Brightly colored. WTF was that about? We'll never know. It also misses just how messed up Goering was when he first surrendered. He'd been largely sidelined for the last 18 months of the war, or so, holed up and sulking at his estate and filling his brain with opioids. While the film alludes to his physical condition it doesn't show just how mentally "gone" the guy was. God only knows what he'd been up to since 1943. But for practical purposes he had nothing to do with running the Third Reich or even the Luftwaffe in most of 1944 and 1945. He just got fatter and more smacked-out. That, I believe, led the Allies to underestimate Goering. Once he was dried out and no longer under the influence of drugs he turned out to be a highly intelligent and crafty opponent. The man was no dunce. In fact, all of these Nuremberg defendants were giving IQ tests and Goering was a certifiable genius. Surprisingly, Albert Speer was second to last. NOT surprisingly Streicher was the least intelligent. But all of them, including Streicher, scored above average.
I doubt they cared enough about their intelligence to give those people IQ tests. And even then, Psychology was in it's adolescence back in the 1940s, so how well & accurate do you think those tests were if they were given them?
The really frightening thing is he has no fucking idea just how horrific he is. Even trying to reassure the court that he punished any guards who ''tormented'' people is so dark because he thinks there was nothing wrong with extermination as he says it all so matter of factly. Like it was nothing more than talking about tax returns. He was worried about the court thinking there might have been torture but he doesn't have the empathy to realise that huge mass murder is fucking worse.
The REALLY frightening thing is that we all think the Nazis were evil, terrible men and that WE could never, ever do such things ... but we so easily could. That terrible capacity is within us all. And those who think they are the purest and the wisest are the ones MOST likely to do so!
I get the argument that we are all capable of doing bad things. But are you saying that you, StonyRC, could see yourself exterminating thousands / millions of people? That sounds like an exaggeration. Why must everything be exaggerated on the internet?
@@keithwellerlounge74 because we now have hindsight. They, at that time, didn't. So, do not dare to claim yourself as someone "better" if you were there - its very possible that you wouldn't...
Christopher Plummer played Sir Maxwell Fyfe, while Benoit Girard played Joachim von Ribbentropp in this mini series. Both Plummer and Girard were alot older then their real people their characters were based on. Plummer was 71, while Sir Maxwell Fyfe was 46, and Girard was 68, while Ribbentrop was only 53 at the time of his execution. Conversely, Alec Baldwin was alot younger then real Justice Jackson was - Baldwin was 42, while Jackson was 54.
You had to have someone like this to "work" in the camp. They tried putting normal people in there at first, but they kept on having nervous break downs. Very often they would find prisoners themselves to do the "work" for them. You had to be totally uncompassionate as well as totally immune from human suffering to work in a place like that. I asked one survivor if any of the guards had any kind compassion and he said, "No, they were totally into the philosophy." Another told me that the younger guards were much worse than the older ones.
all im aware is one female guard supposedly turned people into furniture and such like something out of a horror movie while also routinely torturing female prisoners now that is unnerving and terrifying behaviour. i don't know a lot about the subject tho i find it mildly off putting to say the least as someone with a rather strong nerve for things reading documentary accounts and watching documentaries on it was a tad disturbing and i have to say half of what i observed in the documentaries i could not stomach and have only seen them once. how dark and twisted people can be constantly amazes and terrifies me@@piotrd.4850
I forget who said it, but, he summed the whole, sorry mess up correctly ; "If these things were done by Monsters, it would have no more moral significance than a tornado." The most important lesson of Nuremberg is that these were men like us; with the same passions and potential and potential for evil. The ability lies within each of us and must be dealt with.
That was the lesson all of us in the West grew up with. Except Israel, we discover now. The West's govts returned immediately to the post WW ll idealism after the Ukraine invasion. But not for Gaza, confusing Jews for that highest concept of humanity.
My grandfather was a guard at the trial. The whole thing. He saw this and said there was no screamimg yelling or dramatics like portrayed in this movie.
I can **not** imagine how a person can say such horrific things in such a matter-of-fact way, as though he had been asked what he was required to do while in charge of doing the army's laundry... Honestly, I'm not sure any of the actors bar Hoess & the guy that questioned him after court really sold the combination of polite exactitude/ mind-bending honesty, on his part- & the dumbfoundedness & horror that I imagine the Allies _had_ to have felt viscerally, right to their cores, hearing that....
I have been watching lots of these reaction videos to well known movies. Reacting to schindlers list often comes up. The question inevitably comes up in the scenes where the SS are shooting innocent men women and children as to how they could do this. And it seemed from all that I have read that the “work” was considered ugly, horrible even traumatic but it had to be done. Auschwitz and other killing centres were established because of the inefficiency of mass shootings by einsatzgruppe in Russia. Part of this inefficiency was the effect this violence had on the men doing it. This is what happens when you place a nation under a program of mass propaganda that dehumanises a population. It’s the speed of it that amazes me. 1938 was kristallnacht and there were massive face to face shootings and killings in 1941.
Don’t be so amazed . All these Germans had been indoctrinated with 2 thousand years of anti Jewish Christian propaganda . And the hateful teachings of Martin Luther . ( incidentally the bbc celebrated his life and works not so long ago on some significant anniversary ) Hitler often said he was doing the work of the church in killing the Jews .
German anti-Semitism predates WW1 so it wasn't that fast lol. Europeans always hated Jews. Just read Jewish history in Europe. And soldiers for the most part enjoyed the killings and rape of Jewish people, that whole "trauma" idea is nothing but bullshit. Just like Serbian soldiers enjoyed massacring Bosnians. No difference here
@@trailblazer8812there's a tipping point after which you turn over your country to sociopaths and people with wackadoo ideas and normal people are powerless. we see the same rational in revenge movies and series; the bad guy we need to save us from even worse guys. if we don't speak up against these fanatics, at some point it's too late. remind you of recent US history?
It depends a lot on when in the war you are talking about. I had a distant uncle who was a farmer and was not drafted till later in the war. At the time things were already not going well and every one knew it. In boot camp the lined every one up and had them count off by 4's. In the end they said "If your number is 3 step forward... congratulation you are Waffen SS. There are trucks to take you to your new assignment." That was how they filled in the SS losses. No one wanted to be sent East especially as SS, it was a death sentence. As a result he was ordered to execute Polish Jews so they would not be liberated. He refused. The officer in charge held a pistol to his head and said, "You can not save this old Jew. He will die. If you refuse to shoot him I will shoot you and then I will shoot him. You can't save him you can only join him." So he followed the order and shot him. Moments like this were happening everywhere. That is not to say that lots of people didn't willingly go along, they did. I have a closer uncle who was a prosecutor for the Volksgerichtshof and he saw what he did as for the good of Germany. He didn't have second thought till the end of the war. The only reason he was not tried at Nuremberg was he volunteered for the front line as SS, essentially he committed suicide. And many people made a point of never knowing what was happening because knowing was dangerous. My mother was Jewish and hid in a town posing as a non Jew. One day a rumor went around town that no one should under any circumstances go into the woods. It was the kind of quiet rumor that even stubborn kids and adults pay attention to. She never knew why till later but one of the mass marches of prisoners from concentration camps in the east passed through the woods near by about that time. So it was possible to be semi- aware but not know any details. You just knew it was all bad. Situations like this are complex. I would suspect most German families have people who were ardent Nazis and people who died in the camps. It was one of the reasons trials like Nuremburg were limited in scope. They could have spent decades shuffling people through courts who had levels of guilt ranging from working in the camps or courts that executed people down to refusing to shelter people when they knew they would end up in a death camp.
Interesting how Hoess made it clear he wasn’t out to torture anyone, he’s still a mass murderer but he did it in the most humane and non painful way, never knew this
Hoess confessed to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Nuremberg. There is also an affidavit from him regarding this. Since he was not the only commandant in Auschwitz, a memorial plaque was installed in Auschwitz for the 4 million murdered Jews. In 1993 a new plaque was placed in Auschwitz. The total number of murdered Jews was therefore 1.1 to 1.5 million...... what do you think caused Hoess to incriminate himself so heavily? a ) He was in a frenzy of blood and lost track (politically correct answer) b ) Allied torture, why so often in history..... ( only bad Nazis think that )
Different "confessions" Following his capture at the end of World War II, while imprisoned Höß allegedly signed or wrote several different "confessions". In one case he even signed a "confession" written in English. At the Nuremberg Trials, excerpts from one of these "confessions" were read aloud by another person, with Höß at intervals being asked if this was what he had written. Höß in each case answered affirmatively (usually only with the one word "Jawohl", an affirmative response, but with the implication of being a response to an order). In one case he made "a two sentence response (containing an obvious error about the Hungarian Jews supposedly having been killed at Auschwitz as early as 1943 even though the first convoy of them did not arrive at Auschwitz until May 2 of 1944)". No one asked Höß any further questions.[3] See the article "How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss" in the "External links" section regarding more details on the different versions. Memoirs on being tortured to gain a "confession" While being a prisoner in Communist Poland, Höß allegedly wrote his memoirs. Robert Faurisson has written on "The texts generally collected under the title Commandant in Auschwitz. Höss is alleged to have written these texts in pencil under the watchful eye of his Polish-Communist jailers, while in a prison at Cracow awaiting his trial. He was condemned to death on 2 April 1947 and hanged at the Auschwitz concentration camp fourteen days later. The world had to wait 11 years, until 1958, for the publication in German of his alleged memoirs. They were edited by the German historian Martin Broszat without regard for scholarly method. Broszat went so far as to suppress several fragments which would have too clearly made it appear that Höss (or his Polish jailers) had offered outrageous statements which would have called into question the reliability of his writings in toto. [...] In his memoirs Höss recounts the circumstances of his arrest and what followed. The treatment that he underwent was particularly brutal. At first sight it is surprising that the Poles allowed Höss to make the revelations he did about the British military police. On reflection, we discover that they might have done so out of one or more of the following motives: to give the confession an appearance of sincerity and veracity; to cause the reader to make a comparison, flattering for the Polish Communists, between the British and Polish methods, Indeed Höss later said that during the first part of his detention at Cracow, his jailers came very close to finishing him off physically and above all morally, but that later they treated him with "such decent and considerate treatment" that he consented to write his memoirs; to furnish an explanation for certain absurdities contained in the text (NO-1210) that the British police had had Höss sign".[3] Höß stated that "On March 11, 1946, at 11 p.m., I was arrested. […] I was treated terribly by the (British) Field Security Police. […] During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what is in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. […] Minden on the Weser River […]. There they treated me even more roughly, especially the first British prosecutor, who was a major. […] I cannot really blame the interrogators [at the IMT] - they were all Jews. I was for all intents and purposes psychologically dissected. […] They also left me with no doubt whatsoever what was going to happen to me."[2] en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_H%C3%B6%C3%9F
I remember watching this when it was on TV. Does anybody know how much of the testimony dialogue is taken straight from the trial transcripts, and how much the screenwriters have to create to keep the story going?
@The Richest Man In Babylon Hmm, got any evidence for that? I've read enough now to know it certainly captures the spirit of the testimony and that the climactic scene, the questioning of Herman Goering by Judge Jackson is pretty much straight from the transcripts. If you watch the scene, you will see that Goering really has the best of it over Jackson.
@The Richest Man In Babylon Says you. Can you offer any actual words from his testimony in support of your claim? What do you think he said that was significantly different from what is shown here?
I like how his final words are in a way meant to assure the audience of his character - that he did not run an operation of torture & humiliation of the imprisoned because that would be in bad taste - but instead to be as productive and professional in his goals to exterminate as many as he could as cheaply as he could - failing all the while to see that the goal was what disrepute's his character beyond salvation; not the manner in which the act was done. A rat catcher catching rats about sums it up; so dehumanized are the Jewish people in his mind that he doesn't stop to think of giving them moral consideration - so much so that he could proudly and without hesitation lay out a scathing self incrimination of his actions within Auchwitz as if he were detailing the act of setting the traps with cheese to tempt out the mice to their deaths. Casual, emotionless, indifferent to the human lives he has taken - because the key to understanding his mind set is that he does not see the Jews as humans, but rather he see's Jews just the same way as most humans see rats. Bothersome pests that eat up produce and bring diseases with them. Most people think the opposite of love is hate; it's not. The opposite of love is indifference, the lack of love in whatever form it takes is what leads to events in history like this.
@Отоја Јамагучи so you'd rather literally die by a firing squad while your family is sent off to a gas chamber... Or "be a slave to the system"... Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard 🤨
Theres a point to be made there though (remember too this is a movie and not an accurate line by line representation of what people said) The allied nations were not saints. What the nazis did doesnt make things like Americas segregation any better and it was completely dishonest for the US at the time to claim to in any way be a crusader against race hatred
@Отоја Јамагучи Speaking of him, aren't you the one who just made many assumptions? Also, I think, unnecessarily rough as he may have been, he was responding in a vindictive manner to you calling the Westerns "dipshits" for a situation belonging to the 19th century
I read a book my dads copy of the nuremburg trials when I was 10 years old. I was only interested because it had photos. It was an eye opener and not too much later did I truly appreciate it.
In The Ascent of Man, it’s discussed how scientists and engineers cannot be so obsessed with solving a problem, that they forget their humanity. My ethics professor showed me the episode about the Ash Ponds of Auschwitz-Birkenau, and the concept beyond the obvious didn’t really stick until I saw a pond where the ashes of some 1 million people were dumped.
This universe is a sim. Scientific proof already exists that it is. A lot of it. A whole lot of a lot. Simbot... simulation-generated biological robot that mindlessly perpetuates the universe sim agenda and status quo. No matter how totally wrongful and destructive and abusive the universe sim agenda and status quo might be.
It is the way of simbots to act like the simbots they are. Ready and willing to be compliant to and victimized by the sadomasochism parameters in the sim. The simbots will just go with the flow of being victimized by the sim. Whereas those who aren't simbots will become extremely annoyed and cranky and downright persnickety by the victimization. Non-simbots don't like sadomasochism.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson knows this universe is a sim and jokes around about it. Brian Greene knows this universe is a sim and jokes around about it. But what's the least bit amusing about relatives brutalized by slavery or murdered in nazi death camps? Events enabled by the sim programming code of this universe.
From what I took from histroy is that Goring was in WAY better shape during the trials then during his reign in Germany. The US prison commander put Goring on a diet and also got him clean from all his medications (I think Goring took 16 pills a day prior to the trials) That also led to several heated moments in the trial where at one point the prosecuters looked like idiots.
Most of guys in Hitler's inner circle were drug addict or drug users, drugs that are also narcotics. Few of those guys took cocaine to feel powerful, this was before cocaine was a thing in drug use.
you know whats scary what the german officer at the end says to the guy about the similarities between all countries is scary also whats sad and scary is that many germans who were involved didnt want to do anything but they had to because if they didnt do anything as far as helping hitler would have them killed or there families killed
The "Final Solution" could have never occured had there not already been historically high levels of Antisemitism not only in the German states (Prior to 1870 a "German" referred to a mustard, not a person...) but in most of the countries of Europe, which in many cases enthusiastically supported the efforts and afterwards tried to blame everything back on Germany.
The mundanity of his testimony is just horrifying. He makes it a matter of logistics and efficiency, like he runs a factory that makes screws or nails. He feels no need to be candid or hesitant when he speaks, just a statement of facts as he sees it
High ranking Nazis when shown a picture of Hitler:
I’ve never seen this man in my life
Jim Dandy not exactly.
More along the lines of:
“I wasn’t there.”
“It wasn’t me.”
“I didn’t do it.”
“I didn’t know.”
“I knew, but hoped it wouldn’t happen.”
“I suspected, but wasn’t sure.”
“I tried to stop it, but they wouldn’t listen.”
“I told someone else to do it, so it’s on them.”
“I don’t recall.”
“I’m not sure.”
“To my knowledge, no.”
OH AND - “
“it’s not true”
“That never happened.”
“These are lies.”
“This is anti-German propaganda.”
Don’t believe me? Spend five minutes on google.
Dude that made me laugh for 3 minutes straight 😂😂😂
Kornel &Co.
I have dual citizenship - EU and USA. Idiocy, unfortunately, is a worldwide disease that isn’t limited to America. Attempting to gauge someone’s IQ based on nationality is quite silly, really, especially when the nationality in question encompasses 350 million people. Do you do this often? If so, I’d highly advise you to rethink your logic.
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim epic comeback XD
@o l jesus mate just stop ur bullshit spouting already.
one thing for sure if you don't want to be tried for war crimes , don't lose
sad but true
And don't be on anyone's shit-list either.
@@JohnJohn-pe5kr Yes the americans never killed an entire village but an entire city,over 225.000 people died in the atomic bombs over 2 cities and many more over the regular b 17 raids over japan
@Popescu René This. My history teacher always said, if Hitler didn't get into power, Russia would be the bigger war criminal. But hey, indiscriminate killing is better than discriminate killing though amirite?
@Popescu René History is written by the victors
The scary thing is Hoess wasn't a psychopath, a fanatic, a sadist, or an amoral technocrat. He was an 'average man" who believed in what he was doing. "A rat catcher catching rats".
Still it takes special kind of evil to do what he did.
Everybody, even the civilians they all knew what was happening. Many don’t stop to think about how large a number 11 million is. This is NOT to say all Germans were supporting what was happening. I say eleven million, but most people think that it was only six million Jews. No one ever talks about the forgotten five million that were killed in the Holocaust I call them the forgotten 5 million because they only ever focus on the Jews not an all the 5 million non-Jews who were also killed in the holocaust. Shame most people think only the Jews died or suffered at the hands of the Nazis .
@@ITIsFunnyDamnIT well Japan, Great Britain, USSR, France and even the USA are not any better
Japan did the same thing as germany, USSR with its own People, The British empire killed more People than any other nation in history, The French with their Slavery (you can say that for any European Country) and the USA with the Natives the only difference between All of them (except Japan) and Germany is Germany did it in the last 100 years
And tbh wtf is no one Talking about japan? They did the same thing with the chinese and even more brutal but nobody talks about that!
@@ITIsFunnyDamnIT and tbh everyone in europe hated jews
(And i'm not trying to justify anything the Nazis did but no one talks about other countrys)
@UCYBDeSqsAFF1kTCdyZ4PKiQ with any i meant Belgium, Spain, Portugal not Poland or most eastern european country i should specify myself next time
This man literally showed up, said "yeah I did that shit.", and dipped.
Based
Not really. Hoess knew he was a dead man even before he testified at Nuremberg.
They crushed his testicles to say that like they did with many others.
I saw an interview with a Hamas fighter in an Israeli prison last year:
He was calm, no visible sweat, no gun to his head, talking with his hands, describing how his superiors told him to move from Kibbutz to Kibbutz, killing everyone in his path and to imagine that everyone, regardless of age was an enemy combatant. And, yet, I hear constant calls to make peace deals with that man’s superiors and to release their comrades.
@@IsaiahRichards692 How about an interview with an IDF soldier who describes how his superiors ordered him to rape Palestinian women and kill 12 year old children throwing rocks?
The murder of 1200 innocent Israelis was a brutal, insupportable act. The murder/incineration of 33,000
Palestinians is also a brutal act of t*rror.
Brian Cox was a ideal casting as Goring, his acting is perfect
He’s a brilliant actor
Love me some Brian Cox.....
And yoouu are a jeew
I agree
He was scarier as Logan Roy 😆
The actor who played Goering really got his mannerisms down pat. His distinctive smile and everything!
That would be the great Brian Cox. He's stared in a lot of films and shows but my personal favorite will always be his role as major Hogan in the first two sharpe films.
He will always be Logan from Succession to me.
yeah but the scottish accent wtf lol
@@SchlickSteve Well.. He is Scottish..
Brian Cox
"Prior to 1939, exactly how many people deposited their teeth into your bank"
This question was most certainly not asked in real life, and here's why:
The Nazis had been in power for 6 years in 1939. Concentration camps had been up as early as 1932. There were most certainly quite a few golden Jewish teeth in his bank prior to 1939.
@@program4215 Ah yes thank you sir
and he said directly before that, that the bank is not required to look into what is disposited at the bank, wich makes the question stupid because it was already answered
@@ishgo1 That doesn't make it right.
@@program4215 I'd ask the question anyway. If they did have records and there were teeth already in bank vaults, I'd say, "See? Don't have to be at war to be labeled a monster."
I don't think I've ever heard a more chilling testimony. I write this because I know that this drama is based on the official record. The actor who plays Hoess captures his amoral character perfectly!
You might be interested in the play THE TRIAL by Peter Weiss. The whole play is a rearrangement of quotes from the protocols of the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials, the trial where the staff of Auschwitz was judged. It was also the first trial against Nazis held by the Germans (the initiative came from state attorney Fritz Bauer, a hero of the young German democracy).
Colin Feore; you don't see him much but he's based in Canada.
*immoral
@@thedwightguy is this Colm Feore? I think he played Admiral Kimmel in PEARL HARBOR, as well as the paranoid and obsessed Lord Marshall of the Necromongers in THE CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK. In his day he was an actor that that can go from coldly detached, offhanded, to snarling menace at the blink of an eye, like a Hannibal Lecter, when he played the villain. Leading man acting chops.
@@ozymandias1758 watch storm of the century!
Admiral Donitz - the last Supreme Commander of Germany - said it best: "How could I send my best men to their deaths, and let the cowards go..?"
what was Admiral Donitz referring to when he said that?
@@francotanko3126 pretty sure by cowards he meant the Nazis who were trying to save their own ass
@@francotanko3126 Hes talking about guys like sshpeir
@@uppal123g Oh you mean Albert speer.
Son of a Jew
Historical inaccuracy: Hoss didn't experiment with Zyklon B. One of his subordinates did while Hoss was in Berlin on business. Hoss was informed of the results after he returned. (He was pleased, obviously.)
Details like that would have unnecessarily complicated and lengthened the script.
I think they are using his verbatim stmt
Not true. Zyklon B was first used at Auschwitz in August 1941 on Russian POWs at the initiative of one of Hoss’ subordinates. The experiment was repeated a month later with Hoss watching. So his testimony is accurate here.
Does it matter ? They killed millions !
@Sypha Flowen Thx man, couldn’t have said it better myself.
"Any misconduct was punished, I assure you."
Well, that makes it better 😐
It doesent he's saying that he had a code of conduct, even if we concider it obcene evil.
Even if what he did was evil it does show that he gave them some dignity before they died. I’m not saying what he did was right or even justified but it does show he cared to an extent about his prisoners. I want to say this again that I hate what he did was wrong evil.
Hoess is the very literal DnD definition of Lawful Evil, I'd say. Adhering to a strict personal code of yeses and nos (Lawful) doesn't necessarily indicate your overall morality (Evil).
Wildfan1984 you're right ,pay due.
Does kinda make it better
"Approximately 2 and half millions" the way hes talk..the face..really capture the moment..
That odd, off kilter camera angle when he says it is amazing as well. Really expresses how warped his worldview was.
I’ve watched the testimonies in the original form. It’s not too far off. Hoess was as autistic as they come.
Robert Jackson is presented in this movie as the hero of the trial, when in fact he was complete failure. He never once managed to outmanuver Goering and he simply kept reading tons and tons of papers throughout the trial which is why judges turned against him at one point as shown in this movie. On the other hand, Maxwell-Fyfe and British prosecution team kept bringing witnesses and presenting evidences which was what really destroyed defendants' defense.
Should've sent them to Stalin/Baria's troikas. Leave it to the americans to enact revenge wearing white gloves.
Not surprised if Jackson mismanaged his case in real life, while Maxwell-Fyfe and the British prosecutors nailed their case. The latter - particularly RAF investigators - strung up many of the Gestapo men behind the Stalag III murders, while the US Army couldn’t hang any of the Waffen SS perps of the Malmedy massacre, including prime suspect Joachim Peiper
Robert Jackson, for all his experience as a lawyer, was very inexperienced in cross examinations, hence the showdown between Goering vs. Jackson, Goering, was able to get the better of Jackson during his cross examination, even impressing lawyers present to the effect that they commented that Goering's control of the situation and memory was "remarkable."
This is also the reason why in the real trial, the British in particular were calling for witnesses and evidence, e.g., photos, video footage and affidavits, alongside paper evidence, etc. to give the trial more legitimacy instead of Jackson just reading paper evidence (copies of German orders and memorandums) all the time in a "show trial."
Robert H. Jackson opening and closing speeches at the Nuremberg trial were really his only outstanding highlights to be frank.
At the end of the day a trial regardless of the indictment and charges against the defendants or defendant is a "show" and if the prosecutor or prosecutors use just paper evidence all the time during a trial, the trial can become boring and stifling very quickly even to the Judge and Court staff. Trials require entertainment or even a little entertainment to keep people interested and engaged.
Ah yes Maxwell-Fyfe..... He sure as hell hated gay people, but he hated nazis more.
@@kk-qu1zc unfortunately you are not wrong, David Maxwell-Fyfe as Home Secretary in the 1950s did lead a repressive campaign against homosexual people in Britain. However, you can't look at his repressive campaign through 21st century lens but instead really only say Maxwell-Fyfe was a child of his time.
Goring's response to Ribbentrop's mistake has never been recorded in any of official records nor transcripts from the trial. However, somebody present in courtroom has indeed later stated that he had heard Goring say this.
+Sandy Mom Another "anonymous" witness????
Ribbentrop was one of those who couldn't buy respect--his mother-in-law once commented on how strange she found it that her most stupid son-in-law went furthest in life.
I was tying to find out if Hermann said this but, can find ? Why is it ?.
Seems like there's very little love between the members of the German high command. Actually, take out love. Not even respect, or common decency. And if they won't give even that much to each other, how much less so to the Jews they have deemed public enemy number one, the classical scapegoat: blame the outsider and the foreigner for all domestic woes, and rally the population against a foreign enemy to get both you as the leader, and the people, off the hook of blame. Oldest trick in the unscrupulous politician's book. Nero did it on the Jews and Christians. The Islamic leaders of the Arabian Nights took it out on the Shi'ites and the Kharijites. History is simply littered with this form of foul play. Disgusting, and always backfires eventually.
@@zhouwu I believe it was Hitlers paranoia and his use of the tactic of having his officers compete against each other that led to the feelings the officers had for each other. This tactic helped Hitler a lot and let him get the most out of his officers wich is why they were so successful on the battlefield while on the offensive. The problem comes when people who hate each other are tasked with defending each other.
Not just being biased as i'm Scottish, but Cox is an amazing actor
Aye, I'm not scottish, but I agree. He did an amazing job in this.
Brian Cox brilliant actor
Cox is a great actor. He did great in a lot of movies!
He is a tremendous actor - great screen presence and authority.
He is a gift to movie viewers, look at this then Super Troopers! The man has phenomenal range.
"Prior to 1939, exactly how many of your customers deposited their teeth in your bank?" Just stunning, it leaves one speechless to hear such an incredible thing, ever having been said in a court of law; and this movie was based entirely on actual transcripts being recorded in the courtroom at the time of the trial.
To be fair that is a very awful argument made for shock value. The whole world was living a Great Depression in the 30s which led to many people, especially in Germany, into unemployment and despair. Selling personal belongings, including teeth, or depositing them in banks because you have nothing else, would definitely happen. If anything, Funk could use this argument to denounce the disastrous economy Germany was left with due to Versailles.
Yes, we all know where the teeth came from, but this is an easily countered argument for a court of law and he could have made that association if he wasn't so caught up with the guilt.
@@braziliankaiser8304That's the point, though. You play the man, not the odds. They knew he would fold like a house of cards on the stand and took the risk.
I wonder what would have happened to him had he refused deposits from the SS.
@@pedro898
Sacked and replaced by some other banker more willing for the position.
@@pedro898 nothing bad aside from being forced to do it anyways, which it would've been a good argument.
"I refused they threatened me and my family. What choice did have?"
1:05 “Dr Funk”
*dancing his way out of being a convicted war criminal since 1939*
Someone needs to make an edit of this video where this music immediately kicks off:
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It's difficult to fathom the degree of malevolence after hearing that statement.. "My men were there to exterminate people, not torment them."
What malevolence? He's entirely calm. He's an example of what propaganda can do to a man.
Well the man was simply doing his job
When you are raised from birth to hate a specific group. With nothing but nonsense to fill your head day in and day out. Stuck in echo chambers the size of entire nations. Then are given the power to and ordered to exterminate this group.
What do you think this person will do?
Just doing his job, efficiency..
Why is it so hard to understand? What ever trained soldier does. Eliminate enemy troops as quickly and as efficiently as possible by the quickest means possible. But we draw the line at torture.
Don't mistake what I am saying. What he did was wrong plain and simple.
"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."
Joseph Stalin
Stalin never said that, it's misatributed. Probably said by a French diplomat.
Just change the word jew with the word Chinese and thats today modern world
Stupid quote.
typical of a commie to say something like dat
@@kylefitz.2639 well it's a stupid quote. It should be "the death of one man is a tragedy. the death of millions is millions of tragedies"
I can't be the only one who read the title as "Nuremberg: Lies and Hoes."
I died loll
Yes Lise by the American's and Hose are the Fake Jew's who are hiding behind them because they are what they are simply Hose
I read it as Lies and Horses...
Lies and Hoes...Lies and hoes...gotta have me my lies and hoes...
Pimps and hoes of the Third Reich
Brian Cox, what a guy - exasperated, pious and raging in the time it takes to heat up soup. He really caught the emotional whirlwind behind so many war criminals
And he voiced Scolar Visari ironically
From _Manhunter_ to _RED_ , I've liked Brian Cox in every movie in which I've seen him.
If he didn’t get into that conspiracy theory claptrap and stuck to the US’ hypocrisies, you’d be tempted to believe him
Brian Cox? Isn't he Logan Roy from Succession? I love that show.
He was also Major Hogan in Sharpe’s Rifle and Sharpe’s Eagle with Sean Bean.
4:19 when he spoke out that name, that person was screwed and fled to Argentina before get brought back to Israel for a trial...
Eichmann had already escaped to South America before the Nuremberg trials.
gotta love the judge face in disbelieve that someone can say something like that with straight face.
The fact that Hoess wanted to clarify that he didn't condone "wanton cruelty" in *Auschwitz* is stunning in terms of the kind of double-thinking and mental gymnastics people can put themselves through to convince themselves they're not the villain in their own life's story.
He basically quoted conventions on war.... which are eexcercise in double think.
And thats why the Hoñocaust happened: middle clerck did their job as required and nobody felt they were villains. One gave the gas, one the fuel for the trucks, one gave the bullets for the guards and one signed paperwork
I’m not sure he was attempting to focus on the villain aspect of it. He was more concerned about not appearing sadistic, psychopathic or something of the sort. He wants to be seen as professional and clinical. Such is the culture of the Germanic communities: perfect to a fault. If they were to be murderers, then they would attempt to be the best murderers.
It doesn’t take “evil” men to do evil, it only requires men to convince themselves they are doing what needs to be done.
That’s the true banality of evil: to treat it as a matter of everyday life.
I mean they weren’t wrong though, When they said “ We’re here because we lost the war if we didn’t you would be. “ it’s literal fact, Hoess was a loyal soldier to his country he was taught to follow orders.
I love how blunt the Commandant was. An SS man.
that shows how deep indoctrination goes. It becomes just business as usual in that case
@ExaktNR1 That quote is true for basically every special force in the world though. That's how they make you obey orders.
@@TheGarryq Not to mention how disciplined and obedient German soldiers generally were. It must be that Prussian tradition.
@ExaktNR1 STFU Fascist, and no ,i aint an antifa commie but i hate socialist and i hate fascist like you.
Plus he just knows that it's pointless to try and lie to defend himself he's going to die anyway
It’s haunting how the commandant is just casually describing the murder of millions of people.
It’s a movie
He never saw them as human, he saw them as the enemy of his country and followed his orders with cold and calculating efficiency.
Treblinka was so bad that the retreating Germans raised it to the ground, planted trees on top of it, and removed the train tracks and station going to it.
Cause he's a PURE EVIL Scumbag. what did you expect?
@@buzznfrog6702 it’s the reality and we stile see it today , Iraq , Syria , Yemen , Libya …… the west is talking about it more than casually … and yea Palestine to :-)
@@buzznfrog6702 about history
I love it, from 6:04 to 6:11 "I did not tolerate gratuitous Cruelty, my men were there to exterminate people, not torment them". Well that changes everything, what a Peach of a guy. TIC!
Like pulling wings off flies compared to spraying them with poison.
Yes. And as if the forced labor the others that arrived a Auschwitz endured was not torture! His pathetic argument/point therefore is even MORE meaningless!
It reminds me of a joke about apartheid South Africa. "We aren't trying to chase them into the sea! My goodness, we don't allow them on the beaches."
No kidding, what he considered a "quality of mercy" is extremely shallow. Those people for the most part knew they were being herded to their slaughter and I can't imagine choking to death in a claustrophobic room full of crying and coughing people would be anything but a nightmare.
@@darthroden It must have been horrible experience for the members of Sonderkommando, seeing all these people destined for gas chambers. There was an uprising of Sonderkommando in Auschwitz KL. It doesn't surprise me.
Lies and Hoes sounds like a killer rap track
Sold over 13 million copies so far
Lmao, i unironically come back to this comment all the time.
Wow Matt Craven(psychiatrist). You were the most underrated actor in this movie. Your eyes did what other actors coudnt do by words.
Goring speaks of Japanese Americans in camps. Actually my family (Italian background) was relocated (not put in camps) by the US Government away from an oil refinery they lived near due to possible terrorist acts during WW2. My father's best friend, also Italian died in Iwo Jima yet his mother was relocated by the Navy because she lived too close to a navy base. German Americans also had similar and worse relocations, you just never hear about it. It was insulting, but a time of war.
It sucks that they went through that but any sensible person will realize what the axis powers did to the minority groups they persecuted was a thousand times worse. At least here in America there is an understanding that what we did to Japanese American citizens was wrong. had the axis powers won they would have glorified their war crimes in the history books.
@@joshuaortiz2031 And yet who in this day and age is glorifying their actions in the Second World War deliberately excluding the darker and sinister aspects of their own country and who isn't? UK and USA or Germany and Italy?
@@MrBell-iq3sm nobody is, only the uninformed and naive ones. i dont know what the education system is in the said countries, there may be censorship (japan im looking at you), but individually speaking, everyone has acknowledged that everyone did something bad in the war. history in this day and age is so accessible right now.
@Florian Cravic I'm not talking out of my ass I was in Iraq and saw atrocities committed over there with my own eyes. People here in the USA generally think every war America has started since world war 2 like Vietnam, korea, iraq, etc was wrong and unnecessary the only people glorifying those wars are right wing extremists we are not all like that. Shit even a big part of the republican party think those wars were unnecessary and unconstitutional. You don't know wtf you are talking about. Have you ever gotten to know any Americans personally? Where are you from?
@@MrBell-iq3sm we don't deliberately exclude anything. People here are educated about the Japanese internment camps, the terror bombing campaigns, the atomic bomb attacks. Shit even our modern world war 2 movies like saving private ryan depict americans killing axis troops that were trying to surrender. Clint eastwood even made a movie about iwo jima from the Japanese perspective that was very respectful and depicted americans killing Japanese troops that had surrendered. Most well done media about world war 2 here in America is very critical of our actions in the past. Stop with the god damn stupidity. America is not perfect but there is a growing awareness here that our actions in past wars were not always heroic.
0:56 I never knew that Mario was at the Nuremberg trials...
mario just wanted pizza, he just followed orders
@@kurvitaschthedictator Waluigi was the one calling the shots 😔
Rudolf was the most composed, the mindset of a man who knows his life is ending soon, regardless of the prosecutor’s performance.
The Reichs Marshall Goering was the "Star" of the Show.
Jackson was pathetic. I'd have hid my face in shame if i fcked up as bad as he did in so public a way.
How did Jackson screw up? As I recall, ten Nazis hung and Göring took the coward's way out. I'd say he did a marvelous job.
Death star, maybe...! You do realize that goering was a peter puffer, and most of all an Idiot. He was so full of $hit, that he told hitler that he could supply Paulus' 6th Army & provide air support after they were surrounded.... real star.
Goering was a piece of fucking SHIT, just like all of the other shit asshole Nazis.
göring shoa'd him
4:07 If I ever get tried in court for war crimes I'll make damn sure I'm looking swag af.
I love that guys face after he says 'any misconduct was punished', hes just like Oh Brother
The camera angle, the unblinking facial feature and the "matter of fact" tone in his voice when he states 2.5 million people were killed under his supervision is brilliant for cinema. It's unnerving and makes me feel sick to my stomach. Well done by everyone involved.
it's that eerie coldness and detachment to the fact he is in hand responsible for one of humanities greatest atrocities and he sounds like he is reading a end of year work report on his job it's terrifying that someone could be so detached.
If its any consolation, that is a blatant lie. The feelings you had are based on abject lies.
9:03: The segregation laws in your country and the anti-semetic laws in my country - are they not just a difference of degree?
Do you know if this exchange actually took place or was it just Hollywood bull shit?
@@EazyMothafuckingE You are probably right because, after some thinking, why would Herman Georing have such a strong interest and knowledge of American history that he would be aware of the Japanese internment camps and the segregationist policies of he USA toward black people. I am not sure though.
@@EazyMothafuckingE did you even listen to the rest of what he fucking said?
Regardless if it was fact or fiction
The truth is the anti semitic laws in Germany were severe and ended in
Piles of ash and bone ......
it took place bru. I was der wen her Goring said it. It was gangster. for realz Holmes.
“The segregation laws in your country and the antisemitic laws in mine, are they not just a difference of degree?” - Yup. Damn.
Pretty big degree.
@@douggyd8973 Not really. You must not be black. Its different when its someone else problem.
@@jileel well that was typical Whataboutism. There is quite huge difference. One country is taking specific minority as second class citizens. The other enslaves them and dispatch large ammount of resources during total war to build huge industrial complexes to exterminate them.
Aww poor blackies
@@JohnSnow-g6w Nice burn account.
When I feel too intelligent, I go to the youtube comment section.
Welcome to the slag heap friend, pull up a body to sit on!
To me, it's the opposite typically
Nothing like the youtube comments section to lower your IQ by 50 points.
Why is reinforced yourself
Brian Cox gave an absolute dynamite performance in this movie.
1990's films were never good at getting the feel or ambience correct for other eras.
Spike Lee's Malcolm X would like a word.
That's Hollywood for you
You feel that today's films do it better.
Guessing you didn’t see Schindlers List?
@chanctonbury63 Because movies if done right dont feel like a 90's movie or 80's movie imitating other eras.
I think Christopher Plummer was marvelous in this film. May he Rest in Peace.
Goddamn, Goering really pulls that double standard card to the officer.
It’s easier for people with a lack of empathy.
@@matthewriley7826 empathy towards the Jewish? Look at what they're doing to the Palestinians now.
Everyone thinks of Goering as a buffoon and drug addict which is true. But also he had an IQ in the 140s and had not only won Germany's highest award for valor in WWI, after von Richthofen was killed Goering had been appointed commander of his squadron. He was a natural leader, charismatic and cultured. The discussion he has with the translator is entirely believable and I think is taken from real life.
He does, but a lot of it is flawed.
Concentration camps are not death camps. And the nuclear bombs were built in the first place because it was feared the Germans would do it earlier. If he had pulled the Nagasaki versus Hiroshima card the would have been more credible in that count.
The most glaring double standard of the US was always its racism, and it’s glaring segregation laws. Racism is repugnant and immoral, but even in that there are degrees of immorality, and of tolerance for it. (That difference is what Martin Luther King Jr. later counted in in his Civil Rights campaign).
The “we are no worse” is the excuse of all sociopathic minds. And no, they are not right.
@@gabitamiravideos "no worse" is a valid argument if you are to be judged by someone.
That Speer laughter at the ending really got me. The kind of laughter when you know you did something really bad, and then got out of it one piece.
Maciej Debinski That was Rudolf Heß.
Hess not Speer
I read the memoirs of Hoess. He was asked to write them before his execution and complied and the portrayal was spot-on. While reading these memoirs I
did not get the picture of a genuinely evil or ruthless man. From childhood to his rise in power he was three things above all else: obedient, diligent, thorough.
There was a strong sense of detachment. I honestly think the idea of applying moral standards to his actions never occured to him.
In the others you could see a sense of morals. They tried to hide, diminish their responsibilities. Either that or they were hateful sadists reveling in
their cruelty towards their victims. In both cases there is a sense of right and wrong. The first category did something wrong and they knew it so tried to hide and
evade. The second category did something wrong and they knew it and celebrated it much like a warrior who kills the husband rapes the wife and says ''What are you
gonna do about it motherfucker?''.
Not with Hoess. He neither hid from it nor reveled in it. He was simply doing his job following orders. This excuse was used by many to avoid retribution
but with Hoess, and only Hoess, I believe it was the naked truth. In his memoirs a very clear picture is created. Absolute, unquestioning obedience to AUTHORITY. This
authority took many forms. In his childhood it was his father, later prison authorities(he did some time because of nazi activities), still later SS leadership. He
didnt think, he was a real-life ROBOT. For him if AUTHORITY said it was right then it was right. If AUTHORITY said it was wrong then it was wrong. Period. No concept
of independent thought whatsoever.
I honestly think that if instead of executing him they ordered him to go to Israel and help the Jews he was previously exterminating build a new life he
would do it without a second thought. And of course he would have completed this task thoroughly and diligently and taken a bit of pride in his efficiency while
helping Jews just like he did when killing them. It would have been fine because AUTHORITY said it was fine. As crazy as it sounds I dont believe he was an honest
antisemite. At least not in thought. The others were. Not him. He was just a good bureucrat fullfilling his assigned function.
The psychogists of the US Army that studied him advocated this view as well saying quote "This man shows a sense of detachment that could not have been
greater in a frank psychotic." Only at the end, a few days before his execution by hanging did he consider, for the first time in his life I think, his actions from an
ethics perspective and he immediately became repentant. This is reflected in a letter to his son advising him to not be like him. He said he had come to realize he had
sinned gravely against humanity. Then, and this is very important, he advised his son to NOT BLINDLY OBEY AUTHORITY AS HE HAD but to question directives coming from
above and to decide his actions for himself based on kindness and warmth from the heart.
In my opinion this was a man of diminished responsibility and should not have been executed. He should have been put in a psychiatric hospital and
studied. The data from such a study would have been invaluable and would have prevented future massacres by showing how people turn off their empathy when commanded to
do so by AUTHORITY.
Your summation of Hoess was very concise and really needs no further psychological study or evaluation. Hanging was the best treatment for the cancerous zeitgeist of the age. Hoess's hanging was more valuable than continuous examination.
@@MrPlankinton How so? In one case we have a valuable specimen to study and indeed priceless first-hand testimony from someone who ran a massive death camp. A veritable treasure trove of info regarding human cruelty. In the other case we have just another useless corpse.
@@nikosgreek352 People of the world were in need of a closure for what happened in Auschwitz. No study was necessary.
@@briliantsofficedesk188 I disagree. There were plenty of men (and a few women) executed for what happened at the death camps. More than enough for anybody to have their revenge (sorry closure). One more or less would not make a difference and this guy's.....personality deficiencies would have made for a very interesting study.
@@nikosgreek352 it was not your tragedy or your pain. you have no say whatsoever over what is or isn't "enough" closure. that falls only to the victims, who, i can promise you, would be outraged if Hoess lived. Have some respect. also, your proposed study would be pointless. we are already full aware of the extent to which ideology can fuel cruelty and evil, even in everyday people.
"My men were there to exterminate people, not torment them."
Jesus Christ this line is absolutely chilling
Absolutely
Lies and hoes. My life in a nutshell
Everyone is prejudiced to something, just some believe their prejudice is more righteous than others
Exactly!
I prejudice to islam and i feel rightoues about it
@@jaeger9654 cry about it fastest growing religion in the world go cry about it 😂😂 by the way learn proper English you illiterate pig
The terrifying truth it may be the truth.
I live in Nurnberg since 2016, and for almost 2 whole years, I have passed by the very building this process was carried out.
I have never heard of this movie, and since I visited the memorial where this whole thing actually happened, now I want to watch the movie SO BAD.
It feels really weird, to pass the Nurnberg Process building 2 times a day at least, but it surely feels okay that justice happened.
You're not even German. Go back to your homeland.
I watched this movie when I was a child. I consider it one of the greatest courtroom drama's ever told.
You can watch the entire movie here on UA-cam /watch?v=f7p7DDihpvQ
Watch Nuremberg 1961 too, apparently very good as well, i think got some awards
Justice?
5:29 look at this man’s face: he is absolutely horrified at what he just heard. 10,000 people a day could be “dispatched” at peak operation. He even leaned in with his mouth ajar as if to make sure he had heard the commandant correctly, only to seem out of breath and full of sorrow when he finally reclined in his char at the end of the testimony.!
you gotta realize too that during these trials everyone thought the nazis only killed maybe half a million people they were shocked when they found out they killed over 4 million people
It’s impossible to gas that many people with delouser
@@buzznfrog6702 And you have tested this I assume?
@@horrorfan117 scientists and chemists said it
@@buzznfrog6702 Id be willing to bet money that more said it was feasible than your handful that got paid to say it's not.
"It is simply a statement of fact!" This should be a meme 😅
1:45 say, wouldn't it be simple to just claim that he hadn't any idea of what was being deposited in the bank? After all, it is protocol in most if not all banks that the contents of SDBs stay not only safe, but also private.
It's not the same when accepting deposits of precious metals. They have to be weighed and documented. For example, when the US Federal Reserve takes deposits of bullion, it is weighed to within 1/100 of an ounce. Precious metals are essentially a currency, even in the 1940s. The SS wasn't bringing in a few kilograms of gold at a time and placing it privately in a deposit box. They were bringing in thousands of kilograms which the bank has to weigh to establish a chain of custody and a value. Also, the Germans were notorious record keepers. It's one of the reasons why the Allied prosecution had an overwhelming amount of physical evidence in many cases.
@@nilgill4642 hmm... Yes your answers make sense... But for the highest IQ, the most well educated and the arguably the least ideologically driven Nazi, you'd think Schacht would be careful to cover his ass to be able to deny accountability, whether or not he thought the Nazis were sure to win.
@@aotoda486 Maybe, but I think bankers (especially German bankers) are a lot more black and white than that. He may have just viewed it as another deposit, not really giving a second thought to where it came from. Also, given the German Nationalism at the time and the profit potential of war, he may very well have been convinced he would never have to answer to anyone but the Nazi Party.
@@nilgill4642 Considering how much crap the Allies had to pull out of their asses to "prove" that Generalplan Ost was real, I kinda doubt they were such great record keepers
Watch actual footage of Hoess' testimony at Nuremberg for a more interesting and truthful insight into the history of the Holocaust. This TV movie adaptation suffers - quite typically - from the tendency to sensationalize and to distort the source material and inserts blunt, simplistic messages into the script because filmmakers think their audiences are too dumb to pick up on a more nuanced performance.
In any case, it's also rather hard to take seriously this performance because of the ridiculous faked accent. (Which does not sound like any kind of German accent, more like a really bad fake French accent.) Just do without the accents if you have all the characters speak English anyway.
The actor is actually French, though.
ua-cam.com/video/nlq-q34nIE4/v-deo.html&bpctr=1518275979
The actor playing Hoess was born in the States to Irish parents, spending time in Ireland when young. Not Canadian, French or whatever.
Account terminated. It must've been sharing some truth here on UA-cam.
You should just go watch the videos of the actual court proceedings if you can't possibly stand any dramatization of events. If you can sit through them.
I love how at the end the American officer says "It was wrong" as if that somehow wipes away the fact that it was happening. In america German POW's, literal enemies, some of whom probably had american blood on their hands were treated better than black soldiers. Even after the war there were a rash of lynchings where thousands of black veterans were targeted with essentially zero response from the federal government.
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki Mao Zedong killed 60 million Chinese, Stalin killed around 40 million Soviets.
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki ok?
@Bee Hive "40% of UNIVERSITY educated Germans still have anti-semetic views." and what are the demographics of that group? What are their politics?
Sure, there are fringe far-right lunatics who hold all the anti-semitic views, but we've seen that leftists are increasingly in agreement with the more "secular" nazis, in that ze juice control world banking and as good socialists they must oppose the money men at every turn. Plus conflating jewish heritage with the actions of the Israeli government.
And then there are the middle-eastern people who are religiously motivated to hate jews.
@@ThePlayer920 You are anti-human. You are a traitor to the human species. You are a rabid animal who can only bite and gnaw. You are holding us all back because you CHOSE to get coked up on mindless hatred. You create nothing, you protect nothing, you are nothing.
What do you base this on....
Very good editing, gives you the feel of all the different personalities in a large courtroom
This movie missed some of the weirdest and most interesting aspects of Goering, such as his penchant for painting his nails using ladies nail polish. Brightly colored. WTF was that about? We'll never know.
It also misses just how messed up Goering was when he first surrendered. He'd been largely sidelined for the last 18 months of the war, or so, holed up and sulking at his estate and filling his brain with opioids. While the film alludes to his physical condition it doesn't show just how mentally "gone" the guy was. God only knows what he'd been up to since 1943. But for practical purposes he had nothing to do with running the Third Reich or even the Luftwaffe in most of 1944 and 1945. He just got fatter and more smacked-out.
That, I believe, led the Allies to underestimate Goering. Once he was dried out and no longer under the influence of drugs he turned out to be a highly intelligent and crafty opponent. The man was no dunce. In fact, all of these Nuremberg defendants were giving IQ tests and Goering was a certifiable genius. Surprisingly, Albert Speer was second to last. NOT surprisingly Streicher was the least intelligent. But all of them, including Streicher, scored above average.
He couldn't accept, how the English won the air in war back in 1942
Why don’t you dig up goering and give him a good ol reach around why don’t ya?
@@suchpiyare yes, stating facts = gay sex. Wtf is wrong with you?
@@suchpiyare Me when someone educates me about history
I doubt they cared enough about their intelligence to give those people IQ tests. And even then, Psychology was in it's adolescence back in the 1940s, so how well & accurate do you think those tests were if they were given them?
The really frightening thing is he has no fucking idea just how horrific he is. Even trying to reassure the court that he punished any guards who ''tormented'' people is so dark because he thinks there was nothing wrong with extermination as he says it all so matter of factly. Like it was nothing more than talking about tax returns. He was worried about the court thinking there might have been torture but he doesn't have the empathy to realise that huge mass murder is fucking worse.
"You've accepted unusual bank deposits, haven't you?"
Objection, argumentative.
Not a lawyer, but I felt like throwing that out there XDD
The REALLY frightening thing is that we all think the Nazis were evil, terrible men and that WE could never, ever do such things ... but we so easily could. That terrible capacity is within us all. And those who think they are the purest and the wisest are the ones MOST likely to do so!
THIS!!! So very true!
That is why I don't trust people who claim themselves to be "incorruptible".
I get the argument that we are all capable of doing bad things. But are you saying that you, StonyRC, could see yourself exterminating thousands / millions of people? That sounds like an exaggeration. Why must everything be exaggerated on the internet?
@@keithwellerlounge74 because we now have hindsight.
They, at that time, didn't.
So, do not dare to claim yourself as someone "better" if you were there - its very possible that you wouldn't...
@@keithwellerlounge74 What's an exaggeration about it? It is absolutely correct.
The cross examination of Doctor Walther Funk is exceptionally well written and acted.
Christopher Plummer played Sir Maxwell Fyfe, while Benoit Girard played Joachim von Ribbentropp in this mini series.
Both Plummer and Girard were alot older then their real people their characters were based on. Plummer was 71, while Sir Maxwell Fyfe was 46, and Girard was 68, while Ribbentrop was only 53 at the time of his execution.
Conversely, Alec Baldwin was alot younger then real Justice Jackson was - Baldwin was 42, while Jackson was 54.
You had to have someone like this to "work" in the camp.
They tried putting normal people in there at first, but they kept on having nervous break downs.
Very often they would find prisoners themselves to do the "work" for them.
You had to be totally uncompassionate as well as totally immune from human suffering to work in a place like that.
I asked one survivor if any of the guards had any kind compassion and he said, "No, they were totally into the philosophy."
Another told me that the younger guards were much worse than the older ones.
Well that makes sense. The younger ones had more time under Nazi rule to be indoctrinated.
Young ones felt they had something to prove
Try reading about SS Hilferien - female guards.
@@JR-zi9vjno, they were indoctrinated by the Nazi Ideology from teenage or childhood
all im aware is one female guard supposedly turned people into furniture and such like something out of a horror movie while also routinely torturing female prisoners now that is unnerving and terrifying behaviour. i don't know a lot about the subject tho i find it mildly off putting to say the least as someone with a rather strong nerve for things reading documentary accounts and watching documentaries on it was a tad disturbing and i have to say half of what i observed in the documentaries i could not stomach and have only seen them once.
how dark and twisted people can be constantly amazes and terrifies me@@piotrd.4850
“And why was this not done to American citizens of German and Italian descent?”
It actually was. Around 10,000 of each.
And they never received a penny, let alone an apology
I forget who said it, but, he summed the whole, sorry mess up correctly ;
"If these things were done by Monsters, it would have no more moral significance than a tornado."
The most important lesson of Nuremberg is that these were men like us; with the same passions and potential and potential for evil.
The ability lies within each of us and must be dealt with.
That was the lesson all of us in the West grew up with. Except Israel, we discover now. The West's govts returned immediately to the post WW ll idealism after the Ukraine invasion. But not for Gaza, confusing Jews for that highest concept of humanity.
If one has a philosophy of hurting someone that he or she doesn't even know, such a person's life will be a catastrophy.
You can get people to do almost anything within a system that divests individuals of accountability.
"Lies and Hoes" sounds like the title of a rap song lol
Lies and Hoes: a Schutzstaffel disstrack
1946
@@fallout1953
lol
"Attacked without provocation" - lulz, if only Göring had known about the McCollum memo..
5:48 i love how he just says this non chalantly.
My grandfather was a guard at the trial. The whole thing. He saw this and said there was no screamimg yelling or dramatics like portrayed in this movie.
I can **not** imagine how a person can say such horrific things in such a matter-of-fact way, as though he had been asked what he was required to do while in charge of doing the army's laundry...
Honestly, I'm not sure any of the actors bar Hoess & the guy that questioned him after court really sold the combination of polite exactitude/ mind-bending honesty, on his part- & the dumbfoundedness & horror that I imagine the Allies _had_ to have felt viscerally, right to their cores, hearing that....
I have been watching lots of these reaction videos to well known movies. Reacting to schindlers list often comes up. The question inevitably comes up in the scenes where the SS are shooting innocent men women and children as to how they could do this. And it seemed from all that I have read that the “work” was considered ugly, horrible even traumatic but it had to be done. Auschwitz and other killing centres were established because of the inefficiency of mass shootings by einsatzgruppe in Russia. Part of this inefficiency was the effect this violence had on the men doing it.
This is what happens when you place a nation under a program of mass propaganda that dehumanises a population. It’s the speed of it that amazes me. 1938 was kristallnacht and there were massive face to face shootings and killings in 1941.
Don’t be so amazed . All these Germans had been indoctrinated with 2 thousand years of anti Jewish Christian propaganda . And the hateful teachings of Martin Luther . ( incidentally the bbc celebrated his life and works not so long ago on some significant anniversary )
Hitler often said he was doing the work of the church in killing the Jews .
German anti-Semitism predates WW1 so it wasn't that fast lol. Europeans always hated Jews. Just read Jewish history in Europe. And soldiers for the most part enjoyed the killings and rape of Jewish people, that whole "trauma" idea is nothing but bullshit. Just like Serbian soldiers enjoyed massacring Bosnians. No difference here
@@trailblazer8812there's a tipping point after which you turn over your country to sociopaths and people with wackadoo ideas and normal people are powerless. we see the same rational in revenge movies and series; the bad guy we need to save us from even worse guys.
if we don't speak up against these fanatics, at some point it's too late. remind you of recent US history?
Reaction videos are the cancer of youtube
It depends a lot on when in the war you are talking about. I had a distant uncle who was a farmer and was not drafted till later in the war. At the time things were already not going well and every one knew it. In boot camp the lined every one up and had them count off by 4's. In the end they said "If your number is 3 step forward... congratulation you are Waffen SS. There are trucks to take you to your new assignment." That was how they filled in the SS losses. No one wanted to be sent East especially as SS, it was a death sentence.
As a result he was ordered to execute Polish Jews so they would not be liberated. He refused. The officer in charge held a pistol to his head and said, "You can not save this old Jew. He will die. If you refuse to shoot him I will shoot you and then I will shoot him. You can't save him you can only join him." So he followed the order and shot him.
Moments like this were happening everywhere. That is not to say that lots of people didn't willingly go along, they did. I have a closer uncle who was a prosecutor for the Volksgerichtshof and he saw what he did as for the good of Germany. He didn't have second thought till the end of the war. The only reason he was not tried at Nuremberg was he volunteered for the front line as SS, essentially he committed suicide.
And many people made a point of never knowing what was happening because knowing was dangerous. My mother was Jewish and hid in a town posing as a non Jew. One day a rumor went around town that no one should under any circumstances go into the woods. It was the kind of quiet rumor that even stubborn kids and adults pay attention to. She never knew why till later but one of the mass marches of prisoners from concentration camps in the east passed through the woods near by about that time.
So it was possible to be semi- aware but not know any details. You just knew it was all bad.
Situations like this are complex. I would suspect most German families have people who were ardent Nazis and people who died in the camps. It was one of the reasons trials like Nuremburg were limited in scope. They could have spent decades shuffling people through courts who had levels of guilt ranging from working in the camps or courts that executed people down to refusing to shelter people when they knew they would end up in a death camp.
2:14 Christopher Heyerdahl (Ernst Kaltebrunner) is Marcus Volturi in Twilight
Robert Jackson is an unsung hero from Jamestown... it's always an honor to go to lectures and music at his center
"The witness is excused! The court is adjourned until 9 o'clock tomorrow morning"
I think everyone in the courtroom needed that adjournment
Interesting how Hoess made it clear he wasn’t out to torture anyone, he’s still a mass murderer but he did it in the most humane and non painful way, never knew this
Hoess confessed to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Nuremberg. There is also an affidavit from him regarding this.
Since he was not the only commandant in Auschwitz, a memorial plaque was installed in Auschwitz for the 4 million murdered Jews.
In 1993 a new plaque was placed in Auschwitz. The total number of murdered Jews was therefore 1.1 to 1.5 million......
what do you think caused Hoess to incriminate himself so heavily?
a ) He was in a frenzy of blood and lost track
(politically correct answer)
b ) Allied torture, why so often in history.....
( only bad Nazis think that )
Not true in the slightest by the way. Many of the lower level staff were sadists, there are first hand accounts from escapees
@@maxhaughton1964is there not reason for the escapees to lie? Not saying they did. But why should we take them at face value any more than the nazis?
@@ReformedSooner24 perhaps, but you should read Witold's report. The stories are just too mundane and detailed.
When you try to roast your german classmate but he always has a comeback
Thank god Steiner couldn't gather enough men for the attack.
"Fish!"
-- Gen Hans Krebs
Different "confessions"
Following his capture at the end of World War II, while imprisoned Höß allegedly signed or wrote several different "confessions". In one case he even signed a "confession" written in English. At the Nuremberg Trials, excerpts from one of these "confessions" were read aloud by another person, with Höß at intervals being asked if this was what he had written. Höß in each case answered affirmatively (usually only with the one word "Jawohl", an affirmative response, but with the implication of being a response to an order). In one case he made "a two sentence response (containing an obvious error about the Hungarian Jews supposedly having been killed at Auschwitz as early as 1943 even though the first convoy of them did not arrive at Auschwitz until May 2 of 1944)". No one asked Höß any further questions.[3]
See the article "How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss" in the "External links" section regarding more details on the different versions.
Memoirs on being tortured to gain a "confession"
While being a prisoner in Communist Poland, Höß allegedly wrote his memoirs. Robert Faurisson has written on "The texts generally collected under the title Commandant in Auschwitz. Höss is alleged to have written these texts in pencil under the watchful eye of his Polish-Communist jailers, while in a prison at Cracow awaiting his trial. He was condemned to death on 2 April 1947 and hanged at the Auschwitz concentration camp fourteen days later. The world had to wait 11 years, until 1958, for the publication in German of his alleged memoirs. They were edited by the German historian Martin Broszat without regard for scholarly method. Broszat went so far as to suppress several fragments which would have too clearly made it appear that Höss (or his Polish jailers) had offered outrageous statements which would have called into question the reliability of his writings in toto. [...] In his memoirs Höss recounts the circumstances of his arrest and what followed. The treatment that he underwent was particularly brutal. At first sight it is surprising that the Poles allowed Höss to make the revelations he did about the British military police. On reflection, we discover that they might have done so out of one or more of the following motives:
to give the confession an appearance of sincerity and veracity;
to cause the reader to make a comparison, flattering for the Polish Communists, between the British and Polish methods, Indeed Höss later said that during the first part of his detention at Cracow, his jailers came very close to finishing him off physically and above all morally, but that later they treated him with "such decent and considerate treatment" that he consented to write his memoirs;
to furnish an explanation for certain absurdities contained in the text (NO-1210) that the British police had had Höss sign".[3]
Höß stated that "On March 11, 1946, at 11 p.m., I was arrested. […] I was treated terribly by the (British) Field Security Police. […] During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what is in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. […] Minden on the Weser River […]. There they treated me even more roughly, especially the first British prosecutor, who was a major. […] I cannot really blame the interrogators [at the IMT] - they were all Jews. I was for all intents and purposes psychologically dissected. […] They also left me with no doubt whatsoever what was going to happen to me."[2]
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'We are here in this room is because you win the war'
I remember watching this when it was on TV. Does anybody know how much of the testimony dialogue is taken straight from the trial transcripts, and how much the screenwriters have to create to keep the story going?
@The Richest Man In Babylon Hmm, got any evidence for that? I've read enough now to know it certainly captures the spirit of the testimony and that the climactic scene, the questioning of Herman Goering by Judge Jackson is pretty much straight from the transcripts. If you watch the scene, you will see that Goering really has the best of it over Jackson.
@The Richest Man In Babylon Says you. Can you offer any actual words from his testimony in support of your claim? What do you think he said that was significantly different from what is shown here?
I like how his final words are in a way meant to assure the audience of his character - that he did not run an operation of torture & humiliation of the imprisoned because that would be in bad taste - but instead to be as productive and professional in his goals to exterminate as many as he could as cheaply as he could - failing all the while to see that the goal was what disrepute's his character beyond salvation; not the manner in which the act was done.
A rat catcher catching rats about sums it up; so dehumanized are the Jewish people in his mind that he doesn't stop to think of giving them moral consideration - so much so that he could proudly and without hesitation lay out a scathing self incrimination of his actions within Auchwitz as if he were detailing the act of setting the traps with cheese to tempt out the mice to their deaths.
Casual, emotionless, indifferent to the human lives he has taken - because the key to understanding his mind set is that he does not see the Jews as humans, but rather he see's Jews just the same way as most humans see rats. Bothersome pests that eat up produce and bring diseases with them.
Most people think the opposite of love is hate; it's not. The opposite of love is indifference, the lack of love in whatever form it takes is what leads to events in history like this.
Brian Cox finally getting the acclaim and awards in the 2010s and 2020s after tearing it up for decades playing villains with depth.
I read this as " Lies and Hoes " each and every time lmao.
And hoss is giving us a valuable lesson on
"how to dig your own grave"
8:03 - This whataboutism sounds disturbingly familiar in today's climate.
@Darkzz Lord You're an apologist dumbass who never experienced prejudice
@Отоја Јамагучи so you'd rather literally die by a firing squad while your family is sent off to a gas chamber...
Or "be a slave to the system"...
Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard 🤨
Theres a point to be made there though (remember too this is a movie and not an accurate line by line representation of what people said)
The allied nations were not saints. What the nazis did doesnt make things like Americas segregation any better and it was completely dishonest for the US at the time to claim to in any way be a crusader against race hatred
@Отоја Јамагучи Yeah, thing is, they had the decency that was the 13th amendment
@Отоја Јамагучи Speaking of him, aren't you the one who just made many assumptions? Also, I think, unnecessarily rough as he may have been, he was responding in a vindictive manner to you calling the Westerns "dipshits" for a situation belonging to the 19th century
Brian Cox was masterful in Goering's role!
I never noticed that Alex Jones played the part of Jewlius Streicher...0:57 ."it's simply a statement of fact !!...frogs are gay."
That"s not Alex Jones. That"s Sam Stone.
I read a book my dads copy of the nuremburg trials when I was 10 years old. I was only interested because it had photos. It was an eye opener and not too much later did I truly appreciate it.
6:44 i thought still D.R.E is about to start
I like the end. Göring's actor is amazing.
2:33 When your mom blames you for breaking the vase..
blagh mrblafh is she a sub.human!!?
LOLOL
5:28 "bro is this guy serious??"
He's like..."Seriously, brah?"
In The Ascent of Man, it’s discussed how scientists and engineers cannot be so obsessed with solving a problem, that they forget their humanity.
My ethics professor showed me the episode about the Ash Ponds of Auschwitz-Birkenau, and the concept beyond the obvious didn’t really stick until I saw a pond where the ashes of some 1 million people were dumped.
This universe is a sim. Scientific proof already exists that it is. A lot of it. A whole lot of a lot.
Simbot... simulation-generated biological robot that mindlessly perpetuates the universe sim agenda and status quo. No matter how totally wrongful and destructive and abusive the universe sim agenda and status quo might be.
It is the way of simbots to act like the simbots they are. Ready and willing to be compliant to and victimized by the sadomasochism parameters in the sim.
The simbots will just go with the flow of being victimized by the sim. Whereas those who aren't simbots will become extremely annoyed and cranky and downright persnickety by the victimization. Non-simbots don't like sadomasochism.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson knows this universe is a sim and jokes around about it.
Brian Greene knows this universe is a sim and jokes around about it.
But what's the least bit amusing about relatives brutalized by slavery or murdered in nazi death camps? Events enabled by the sim programming code of this universe.
This is inaccurate. Goring isn't wearing as much make up as he did in real life.
From what I took from histroy is that Goring was in WAY better shape during the trials then during his reign in Germany. The US prison commander put Goring on a diet and also got him clean from all his medications (I think Goring took 16 pills a day prior to the trials) That also led to several heated moments in the trial where at one point the prosecuters looked like idiots.
Most of guys in Hitler's inner circle were drug addict or drug users, drugs that are also narcotics. Few of those guys took cocaine to feel powerful, this was before cocaine was a thing in drug use.
you know whats scary what the german officer at the end says to the guy about the similarities between all countries is scary
also whats sad and scary is that many germans who were involved didnt want to do anything but they had to because if they didnt do anything as far as helping hitler would have them killed or there families killed
Such a chilling testimony from the Commandant of Auschwitz
5:30 - shout-out to the actor for brilliantly conveying his disgust and bewilderment with a single look.
The "Final Solution" could have never occured had there not already been historically high levels of Antisemitism not only in the German states (Prior to 1870 a "German" referred to a mustard, not a person...) but in most of the countries of Europe, which in many cases enthusiastically supported the efforts and afterwards tried to blame everything back on Germany.
Thank you. This needed to be said. The People of Germany facilitated the Shoah.
The mundanity of his testimony is just horrifying. He makes it a matter of logistics and efficiency, like he runs a factory that makes screws or nails. He feels no need to be candid or hesitant when he speaks, just a statement of facts as he sees it