8.16 Blitz Esports Tier List - Zoe Nerfs, Tank Buffs, Tons of Rune Changes
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2018
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Welcome to the Blitz Esports tier list, where our team of experts breaks down the big nerfs, buffs, and meta changes of Patch 8.16.
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Timestamps:
Top Lane: 1:10
Jungle: 3:08
Mid Lane: 4:10
Bot Lane: 5:46
Support: 7:34
Blitz Esports LoL What do you think about putting tamh kench in the top lane?
Why is Elise in A tier, she got hit super hard by the tank buffs, by electrocute nervs, cheap shot nervs, I love the champion, tell me something positive about her and i will play her :)
Hey just wondering if you could put time stamps on videos like these
What is bot supposed to be
the time stamp is right under this comment
Nautilus also received changes which were not mentioned. Both the duration & HP scaling on his W shield are being lowered but the total cooldown is going down. He now has 4
seconds less time to utilize his shield once cast but now has the ability up again 6 seconds faster. Its worth noting that this cd now better matches the cooldown on his hook so he should be able to combo the two abilities more often.
While those are "buffs", this also makes him spend more mana, something that expecially early game he doesnt have access to until he can itemize in Frozen Heart or another mana item. Even while jungling, it just makes him further dependant on blue buff.
The change not as good as it looks.
You're popping your shield to mitigate the dmg on your engage you shouldnt be popping it just for the sake of up-time. You'll be running biscuit and building mana from Zekes and RG. As Nautilus support i see it as a buff
You're forgetting how often trades in lane happen. The mana cost didnt get reduced, so you'll just be using it more often, resulting in running out of mana more.
It doesn't really change anything and it just hurts jungle naut even more.
It *is* a lategame buff, but most games don't get to that point anyway.
Hey I just wanted to know if morde top is good against yorick cuz he should be good with his shield/sustain and zone dmg but I got fucked up early and mid game against him ?
Is Sion viable with the new W buff. I'm trying to abuse it by going Titanic Hydra and Black Cleaver
Where would you rank top lane trundle? Or, do you find that he's just better to stay in the jungle
When will the app be available for Mac OS ?
Riot just added a very interesting stat tab to their client, which will help to notice which part of macroplay I lack to climb. Will you follow with such stats to your blitz app ?
Love the app and this channel
I dont understand, u havent replied in the last 2 videos but i would rly like to know why kled is got tier as a kled main
We replied about kled in a previous video we're pretty sure
In any case, Kled is pretty easy to play all things considered and does well into a lot of common matchups currently. He can pivot between PTA and conqueror depending on the matchup and even if he's zoned off minion waves he has Q to farm from range.
Being resourceless he's rather hard to punish too
Kobe Lam he can almost 1v1 everybody, has also a strong mid game and an ob obnoxious r for teamfight in late game. He is able to oneshot at least one carry with titanic hydra and due to his passive he cant be bursted
Suprised you didn't mention kleds E can clear any ghouls it hits
I dont see the replies but i think thats prob bc i replied to ur pinned comment, that was mb thx for replying
hi guys,
i really love your tierlist and the reasoning you give for it in your video.
could you post a picture with a transcript of the clip on your website? im the kind of person, who prefers reading instead of listening to absorb information.
Keep the good work up. I love all of your stuff and miss your mobile app :D
When will it be available at PH ?
Did the app work for Malaysia server?Also this is a great channel
Why does the app doesn't work on PH? I thought it was working on PH so i installed it immediately but its not working so i just deleted the app.
So the whole point of morgana early is to poke em out of lane, at least thats how i play. Should i concider taking comet now because of the ahri nerf?
I love your lists and they are generally pretty accurate, just a few changes I would make to the jg list (jungle main)
- Make Shaco EXPERT difficulty. I think a lot of people can admit that using him effectively is a major challenge, and mastering him is downright impossible (at least without many hours under your belt)
- Move Ivern up to at least B tier. He's been a hidden gem for a while, and using him to some effect isn't difficult but taking some time to learn him can make him super effective. This rise is justified by the assassin nerfs now here, making major duelists less common
- No guarantee, but it might be worth moving Evelynn down a tier. She was never reliant on her runes but she can't shred through tanks too well, and those tanks will only become more apparent
I agree with Shaco. He is incredibly difficult to play well and should be expert indeed ; and I have no idea about Ivern but, as a loving and passionate "Charm Main" (Maining Ahri, Eve n Rakan) I have to STRONGLY disagree that Evelynn doesnt shred tanks with her W E combo still halfing their hp mostly and Execution damage on R still being insanely strong. On top of that building Void Staff, Liandrys and/or Lich bane is a pretty effective counter against most tanks if they dont especially stack magic resist or build Adaptive Helmet for her. Overall Eve is still God Tier for a reason and even can chunk Tanks down pretty quickly, with the only problems of course being that she can easily be counterplayed by Players who know how to play against her. As I said, could not agree more with the Shaco Suggestion.
Thing is with ivern he can be countered hard with a rengar but idk
Is Trundle still viable after that nerf? Should I go for a bruiser build rather than a tanky one with his new Q AD ratios?
Still viable for sure but his tank build lost a lot of damage. The issue with his bruiser build is that even in his bruiser builds he doesn't get a lot of AD
do you guys think zilean + master yi gold funnel could work? cause zil can speed up master yi for ganks and dives, plus he has a revive which can help yi dive even more
the gold funnel no longer works:)
So sad the blitz app doesnt work in the Philippines yet
You guys used the old Akali pic when talking about Akali.
Good channel ! Keep up the good work.
You guys have the best tier list from all sites ! Heart
why didn't champions like katarina and leblanc get mo ved down the list? the rune changes have to have hurt them a lot too, right?
varus is not included in the list of ad?
He is
Have the domination nerfs not hindered elise? Why is she considered good again?
A bit, but meta still suits here in solo queue with all the squishy champions. It's possible she might be able to use predator or dark harvest well enough too
Guys, you really need to explain why you moved Elise up. Electricity and Celerity were must-have for her, and they were nerfed. Maybe there is a new build for her?
Meta changes suit her more than the nerfs hurt her. There are alternatives to celerity
Does the Blitz app for pc works on Garena servers?
Lunos Yes But Still Beta
Why did Yasuo go from Extreme to hatd difficulty? You can see it when it shows bottom lane
We think that a champion's difficulty is not only reflected by the champion's kit but also the lane and matchups he's inserted into. In the bot lane we think he's easier to play as he's laning with a support and if he has setup (like Alistar) he's extremely potent
I've been wondering why Miss Fortunes bring dark harvest now.
What runes can i use to zoe now that all her main runes are nerfed?
Aery didn't get that big of a hit so you can run that. Electrocute is still fine though, Zoe's ultimate is up frequently enough that she can use the rune off of cooldown very often. Just remember that you won't have that huge burst on one damage rotation anymore
Im curious how come you put elise as a tier (placed higher than before) even though all the runes she takes got nerfed? Esp electrocute
Will T. Elise was doing bad when electrocute was good. I think it’s more so Elise already had enough damage so now the nerf will hurt others who could abuse it and use it to abuse her, more than it will hurt her and therefore leads to her being buffed indirectly
time to faceroll and play sona i guess
Does the app support garena servers?
I'm wondering why Riot did that to Tahm Kench his only support ability got its cd doubled for no obvious reason
pro play
whats your opinion on xayah rakan?
Super strong as a duo but it has good counters. Still an S tier duo together if played well
Blitzlol is actually very useful thank you
What to do when your bot hve 2/11 and 0/13 ?
afk farm,go next
Where is Sion supp?
Welp, RIP if you're colorblind, it's so hard to differentiate between 'expert' and 'hard' champs
For what its worth i hover from d5 to d3 like every other day, i never see yorick. yet he is so strong. i wonder why
The fact that he is rather low pay rate definitely to his strength as many players don't know how to play against him. He's a bit higher play rate now but If you had to face a yorick would you know what to do to beat him?
ive been spamming him, ive lost every lane so far :C
Same reason as taliyah was rarely seen in the jungle even though she has been broken for so many patches in a row now. a lot of People just don't care about the meta and stick to what they are comfortable on. Not a lot of people are comfortable on yorick as he has rarely been viable since his release.
Instead of a c-tier i would appreciate an f-tier for champs u should avoid in low elo or in general (except u are an otp)
Tim Martin in low elo literally every champion in viable, if you know how to play you can easily climb with anything
Low elo is quite nearly literally "anything goes". The meta doesn't apply there much, as long as you have some carry potential, you're good.
DJAizakku yes yes but i still see ppl picking kalista and also akali shouldnt be picked if u arent mater/challenger rn
Players will not hold the same virtues you play we play with. It's sad, but it's truth. The only thing you can do is play by the fundamentals of game and exploiting the enemy's mistakes, and hope that your team can either not ruin the advantage you generate or of they can also compensate for one person's stubbornness. Also, fair warning... plat players are severely worse than any other Elo in terms of being stuck up and stubborn to play with.
From me personally, if you feel like there is a champ or player that just gives you that "fuck this game vibe", even if it's your promos, suck it up and dodge (obviously don't do it often, like a once per day type of thing). it'll save you the headache in the long run and what you want to worry about is not LP but MMR, that is the important thing you want to build up and dodging doesn't ruin it.
Tim Martin agreed but akali is suddenly more easier to use atm they all used to say she sucks until they saw faker used her and now everyones climbing with her in my server shes another fvcking yasuo now
Good tier list i would just put elise at b tier and expert difficult
I definitely think Asol and Azir should be re-tiered to expert. 2 of the hardest champs in the game to learn.
4:08 there is no way. Azir, the hardest champion in the game, is rated "hard" and not "expert"
Ironically enough, Katarina is much harder to master than Azir
Comparing assasin to lategame underpower champ, nice joke
Yatsumura L9 the fact that you cannot understand why Azir is as difficult as he is tells me that you are not good enough or have enough experience in the game to be able to see why.
lets not forget that he put Xayah as "easy" Xayah is not easy at all, you have to constantly be aware of where you place your feathers and position carefully to root as many people as you can. I would rate Xayah "hard".
He also rated Gangplank as "hard". Hell, Gangplank is one of the hardest champions in the game because of his barrel mechanics.
"Hardest" lul. Let me show you how azir works
1: is he standing 500 units away?
place down soldier
2: is he below 25% health just by standing near your afk ass?
No: go to #1
Yes:Ride soldier to him
Use ult
Auto attack
Win
I don't really get why assasins are viable or worth going other than for preference. I play mid assassins as my main role cause I just like them the most. But bruisers do just as much dmg, can nuke the adcs and are not as weak against cc. Plus they have tanky stats. Assassins just die to cruisers and tanks especially late game.
Why Annie predator mid ?
Muh balunsh
Can somebody tell me why is leona a counter to rakan?
Leona makes Rakan's engage much harder to pull off. If he goes in Leona can Q,E and even R him, stun lock him and have her team blow him up because Rakan is rather squishy
Azir and sol are not expert but yasuo is??
I get yasuo is hard but what does expert means to u?
Sol is definitely harder to play than yasuo
I think that’s true, that sol is generally harder to play than yasuo, but there’s more advanced techniques that are possible with yasuo. Sol’s stars are p hard to maneuver and manage, but once you get past that, that’s it. Meanwhile, to truly be good at yasuo, you have to be able to keyblade successfully 90% of the time and have his other techniques down. To be short, a sol is much harder to pick up than yasuo, but yasuo is harder to truly master. Just my two cents, so I could be wrong
Puffball Studios No you hit the nail perfectly.
Omar Guerra Yasuo is not harder to master than Azir, If you want to label anything with an Expert tag is that Champion, Yasuo is difficult but not expert tier, Sol should be on Hard but Yasuo shouldn’t be on Expert, I’m not sure why they even added expert if they were barley using the damn label
Eh, Yasuo damage output is pretty tied to the AA resets and combos you must pull off
Azir once was expert lvl but since he got so many quality of life changes he is much more forgiving.
Been waiting for this
Jankos Taliyah play, nice! ^^
Wait how did you know O.o
Blitz Esports LoL Just remember this play from his stream.
Why is ornn c tier ?
I don't understand how people mispronounce Taliyah. You ALL seen the Spotlight, right? It's Ta-LEE-YAH, not TALIA.
Where’s top lane Tahm Kench?
The recent changes are a buff to top lane kench but we didn't have enough data to accurately place him
As a original sona main that had to move onto tank supports after she got nerfed 3 times in a row. How come she’s in god tier now? I don’t they made any changes to her and I hope they don’t nerf her again
Miss fortune support? Why even put that on the list of supports?
Mike OxLong poke and slow
Nicolas Weber but the miss fortune will become useless since she has a very bad hold income, the only use would be her ultimate. For me she shouldn’t be placed on the list where, because shen is an actual support/top laner, miss fortune is rarely ever played as support and it’s usually a troll pick
Not really, u build CDR on her and her E gonna be a nightmare to play against in stand off situation. She still have her uses, just not scaling as good outside of laning, however with her being support her adc should be able to get ahead of the game
Its just for early game to poke
rip tahm kench from benched to being in the trash can
Why is Elise A tier?
I'm wondering the same thing because this patch her runes were nerfed
Leo Choi same
nautilus got some changes, why not talk about him?
May I ask why malzahar is god tier? IMO he feels a lot weaker after that dorans ring change.
With nerfs to burst we feel the game is going to slow down and Malzahar has more space to get to his powerspikes. You can also start Corrupting Potion on him, check out the video we did about it
ua-cam.com/video/Z8d-_HcfbhU/v-deo.html
8:50 FUCKING PERFECT
So i'm using mf, jhin and xayah, so yeah it's kinda perfect to play them these patches lol
Xerath in C tier?
Why are they saying tahm kench got nerfed? If anything, he was heavily buffed!
He was heavily nerfed in his ability to use devour to peel for teammates, that's a big part of support tahm's kit
Does your app cost?
No
2 tier lists for a single patch Mobalytics?
We're not sure what you mean
Blitz Esports LoL lul
Good content ^^
Dont quite understand: If you say akali is really hard to play (which is true), but can be sooo strong when played well, why put her with an "Expert" Mark into B Tier? If you play her on an expert level she is minimum A-Tier prob. even God-t., if not she is b-tier, i´d say
Udyr was definitely a good champ for me to pickup.
Good to know, we're hoping you've climbed with him!
Meanwhile my boy malphite, A TANK has a Q ability which costs 70 mana per cast, scales with AP which he doesnt build, deals shit for damage and is the least reliable form of CC in the game, a slow.
Is fucked badly if he is matched agaisnt AP tops and is limited to a armor build which scales like shit agaisnt S8 bruisers who do true damage.
Solution? Nunu rework.
Can someone explain why Shaco is still God Tier?
5:09 "And with electrocute and sudden impact getting nerfed, he won't kill squishy champions" 5:20 *one shotted the enemy*
Could be old footage
maybe
Even *sOraKA* ?
dang you take it seriously. Very well said tho.
Zed stills overpowered with electrocute...
I’m surprised sion isn’t good as support anymore. Oh well
Nên có trên nền tảng Điện Thoại Thông Minh nữa là Vip
thank you so much for doing these! I just hit gold 5 thanks to your blitz app. I did however put a lot of time and effort as well. Been maing godyr :p
Hey what is your rune setup? I can't decide between PTA and phase rush...
I like doing Predator Udyr
Hi5 from ma fellow udyr main!
Why is Cass not optimal? I have had a lot of success with her in Gold elo, but I struggle versus Assassins. Now that electrocute is nerfed, I don’t see how she is less than mediocre
shes kinda hard to pick up and play for your average player.
So if you somewhat know what you're doing, she is fine?
Ekko counters Zoe very well
I really dont get the Tahm nerfs. like wtf its out of no where.
Pick ban lcs
Thought Tahm kench would be A tier
Why nerf Tham, I know pro-scene abused it, but my Thammy boy was already struggling in the meta, now the nerf.... Welp....
A Yasuo on a loss streak asking for mid... not unusual at all
Why is Ryze not in listed in top lane when Akali is? Akali is no more meta in top lane than Diana is, but Ryze is just too off the wall to be listed?
Actually Akali shows up in top lane significantly more than Ryze even with her extremely high ban rate
so you talk about tier A list in the jungle, even tho Shaco is god tier Udry, graves, kindred and eve, and you don't talk about why they're there
Why is cass in such a low tier. with assasins being nerfed it helps her
She statistically still struggles versus a lot of matchups that are quite popular right now like Ahri. Other mages can outrange her and keep her at a distance so she can't really punish. You are correct that some matchups in 8.15 were nerfed this patch like Fizz but we're keeping her B for now
Remember B = good. Still definitely playable but situationally
Blitz Esports LoL basically you have to actually be good on her to have actual success. Which makes sense anyways. She’s always been kinda compared to Azir. Except she’s slightly easier but still, she requires amazing mechanics to do well and while it may be rewarding there are easier options, given, she can hard carry if you actually can land your qs with a new q max build that hits like a truck.
Treatz looking like a snack
Did I hear Zoe nerfs? Time to download league again
Plz rito, put zoe in the fucking ground
Is it worth to one trick aatrox? after the 8.16 Nerfs. I need an opinion and reason to support it from anyone that reads this thank u!
You Naruto fan. You smart.
Riblji Keksic Doesn't answer my question...
If you like him, you should play him. You can make any champion work. There is a full AD Sion in the top 10 on EUW
Basically what Chris said. He's still a good champion and if you like him and know his kit well then you should play him
He isn’t that good to carry games with and he gets useless late game. His early game is the only good thing, but Riot is wanting to nerf him soon.
Can you explain why Lulu is B tier? I found her to always be very good.
Make timestamps in desc.
They're under our pinned comment
Thanks!
Why did my boy TF move down to A tier when you are saying mid bursts are gone??
He didn't move down, we never had him God tier
Blitz Esports LoL feelsbadman. Why isn’t he a god tier tho
So me being Gold4 and being 20/4 with Akali is not Akali being broken? AM I JUST SO GOOD? Kappa
Wukong has no skillshots and is harder to play than Ziggs?
u can't spam from a mile away with wukong
Illuminati You have a point but because Ziggs can actually miss his abilities, I still think the difficulty rating is incorrect.
close combat vs ranged champion, ofc is safer to shoot from distance even if you miss everything, if wukong cant burst, he will die in a blink
Illuminati That doesn't make wuking expert tier though
Fizz was finally good...
Jayce expert but gangplank hard??????? I played both champs and trust me jayce is waaaaayyyy easier to play and do well on
Am I like the only one here that came to see if zoe was actually nerfed?
1:10 Gangplank should be Expert level, he's not easy to play at all, not easy to learn, not easy to master. On the other hand, Irelia, Riven and Yasuo should not be Expert level.
Taliyah mid A tier?! no way. she is not even B tier. so many nerf (dmg, ms, cd, runes)...
Can someone explain why evelynn is at God tier here? When all her runes were nerfed this patch and early game, gank at lvl 2 invading junglers are still a thing...
Her Damage output is still insanely strong and even if you counter her you're not guaranteed to delay her Oneshot-Powerspikes because of it. Counterjungling is also very unreliable if Eve's Team knows what they're doing and she is even still strong against Tanks. Thats what I as Eve-Main think at least xD
funny...I just finished a game where I get counterjungled by the whole enemy team at lvl 1 get first blooded by them...true I still kill fast even though I was a 0-3 with one or two items I went 7-4...but like you said *IF* my team mates know what they are doing...the sad thing is they don't that's why we lost...so it seems you need good team mates to play her successfully...yes she will have the kills but the winning in the mid to late game? I might just play her with people I know and not on solo queue...
Why is Sona God tier? I mean, I am a Sona main and I wonder why she is currently good
Soraka is A tier, too ^^
Well. no offense but i think sona is useless she deals a lot of damage yeah but is squishy as hell..
Dunno but as a diamond midlaner i dont see zilean as a god tier.
Maybe not in Diamond Tier specifically. Have to remember that these tier lists are done with all tiers in mind but with most of the population being Platinum or below they'll always be weighted down to lower tiers. He performs especially well in plat, gold, silver and has for several patches, and some of his more problematic matchups got nerfed.
Blitz Esports LoL Well in low elos when people doesnt know to farm properly a champ with a terrible aa animation ( the worst in my opinion) isnt the best option but those are my thoughts
In lower elos opposition doesn't punish him nearly as much by pushing him under turret and he can start wave clearing well enough once he gets more AP
whats with aniva xd
But what about Karthus aa animation lel
wait Jax B tier?