NHL Worst Plays Of All-Time: Did The Flames Score In '04? | Steve's Dang-Its
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2020
- Steve Dangle takes a look back at probably the most infamous no-goal in Stanley Cup Finals history. What do you think, were the Calgary Flames robbed of the Stanley Cup in 2004?
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So what do you think...Goal or No-Goal?
Goal; to people who have functional eyes.
What bugs me the most is the Flames fans who insist not only that it was in, but even crazier that there was a _league-wide conspiracy_ to keep a Canadian team from winning the Cup. Like what, the NHL's gonna look at the publicity of a scrappy underdog team _finally_ bringing the game's biggest trophy home to hockey's homeland and say "nah, none of that, thanks!"? That to me is the most ridiculous part; thanks for opening _that_ particular can of worms after game 4, Darryl.
Goal
I was hoping for an Alberta team to bring home the cup, but I would have made the same call. No goal.
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“If you didn’t like Jarome Iginla, you didn’t like hockey” god just spoke those words through your lips
I hate Calgary more than I like hockey
Scotty Jonas I hate the bruins more that I like hockey
And on the 8th day, God made Jarome Iginla.
Viktor Khatibi :(
I hate the Minnesota Mild more than I love or hate anything.
As a Flames fan, I’m more disappointed with the fact that Iginla never won the cup than the fact that they lost in ‘04. He was such a great player. 🏒
He won with Chicago
parallel Ummmm what?.......
Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis Iginla is a Canadian retired professional ice hockey Forward . He played over 1500 games in the National Hockey League (NHL) for the Calgary Flames, Pittsburgh Penguins, Boston Bruins, Colorado Avalanche, and Los Angeles Kings.
Nhl should be more clear that if it's past the red line it's a goal. Even fifa world cup learned their lesson but hockey they keep playing the same dumb game
Yeah dummy, you do realize that if they had won (they did win) in '04 Iginla would have a cup right?
Game 6 and game 7 Iginla didn't get any points, unfortunately.
It was Calgary flames day in my high school and I was a lightning fan so I wore my Tampa jersey and my first period teacher said it was ok too hit me.
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Jonathan Ward lol
Lmao
Teacher was based
My teachers would do the same, but as a flames fan living in Edmonton
"I won't blame you at all if you click x to exit the video. Just know that there's a small chance that you might miss the x by half an inch"
lmao oh my god
yeah that was funny
story of my freaking life
Iginla is one of the most complete players of all time. Dude was a straight up monster in the 2000s.
Possibly the greatest player to never win the Cup. It's like trying to imagine today's super stars never winning the Cup, like Crosby, Ovechkin, Kane, Letang. It's unfathomable, but it's true.
TheMikeyb86 you say superstars but you mention letang
TheMikeyb86 wut??? Google my friend
yeah but he wasn't marty st louis
@@mr.xdr3ad385 you’re right, he was far and away better
Welp, I was having a damned good day until I clicked on this video 😭
Same
The pain is still too real... It was in, dammit!
i feel ya
Yea I’m crying now
Sammmee
"That's the CUP! That's the CUP!"
Those times I REALLY cheered for a team, I found myself hopelessly on the wrong side : 1994 Bure's Canucks, 2003's Kariya's Ducks and 2004's Iginla's Flames. (Same thing with the NBA. [Steve Nash!!!] Except last year, thanks Toronto!)
Please do 2003's Kariya "off the floor on the board"... that hit ruined his whole career but also his performance in game 7.
That hit knocked a couple years off his life span
Shoulda just been a Red Wings fan 👍 especially during that decade if you had to pick a team for that time frame +\-
@@gordanblansky7137 also Gary Suter cross checking him in the face
Good lord, Jarome Iginla is such a beast.
I hope the likes on this stay at 69
@@kmh4674 Nice
He never scored it was gelinas
16 years later and Flames fans still get set off by that play
Not sure who you cheer for, but if your team hadn't made it passed the second round since, you'd still be bitter too
As they should be
Bunch of whiners...... not winners
It eats us to our core. Also it's hard to forget such a moment when the flames have only won 1 playoffs series (the fluke against vancouver in 2015) in the last 16 years.
Rather like mentioning 1993 and Gretzky in game 6 clipping Gilmour to Leafs fans, yes?
When I get to heaven, I will ask God if the puck is in
And he'll say no #gobolts⚡
It’ll turn out god is a ref and that’s why he doesn’t see anybody’s prayers.
@@godbobo4088💀
"[hockey is] people on knife shoes fighting for the last Oreo"
- some random person on Twitter
Even in Edmonton we loved Iggy. We can say that. Now.
well, considering he is from there and of the biggest blunders edmonton ever did was not pick him at #6 in the '95 draft......Doan went 7th Iggy 11th....the oilers? they picked Steve Kelly at #6.......
@@daftpunked4800 Well Oilers gonna Oilers. Your talking about the team who trade Gretzky XD
It’s like how in Calgary, most of us like McDavid , he just destroys us lol
@@JayTayD I lived in Calgary during the oilers' big years with Gretzky, so I can absolutely relate both ways :D
Yeah he’s just too much a beast to not respect even between rivals
People forget how insane the Red Wings were that year and how Kipper was so good
Can we just get a video of Steve saying "no, it's not Phaneuf. How dare you" On infinite loop?
“SCORE!! GAME 7, MARTIN ST. LOUIS!!! WE ARE GOING BACK TO TAMPA BAY!!!!” Gosh I miss Gary Thorne.
The glory days.
Another memorable Game 6 Stanley Cup call by Thorne is the goal by Paul Kariya against New Jersey.
Thorne: "OFF THE FLOOR, ON THE BOARD!!! PAUL KARIYA!!!!"
3rd greatest call in Tampa Bay Lightning history!!!
Thorn was a masterful play-by-play man! I still get chills when I hear him call that result!
Are you serious, Calgary's radio announcer Peter Mahr is in the hockey Hall of Fame because he's the greatest hockey announcer ever ...
Funny thing is, Before Martin St. Louis got to Tampa Bay he was signed by the Flames and cut by them
Yes and he has a cup! Hehe!
Didn’t the flames also trade Brett hull for like a bag of chips
@@peytonpatenaude9587 Yup and traded Gilmour before his prime..
@@peytonpatenaude9587 They traded him for some spare parts, but that comes with a pretty big asterisk. Two of them actually:
1) Hull was a young kid at the time with a poor work ethic and attitude problems.
2) This was at the height of the Flames' 80s dynasty.
Yes, the trade looks terrible in retrospect and the Flames probably should have waited on Hull a little longer, but Hull was starting to look like a bust and with an aging core they were 100% in "win now" mode and didn't want to wait around and find out. Those bit-players that they traded him for did wind up being semi-important pieces of the '88/'89 Flames that won the cup (for what it's worth, Hull was never able to bring the cup to his destination team - the Blues - as a player).
Even as a Flames fan, if you gave me a magic wand that let me turn back the clock and say, "Hull stays in Calgary, but no guarantees you get to keep the '88/'89 cup as a result", I honestly don't think I take that deal. The Blues got one of the greatest scorers of all time and the Flames got their cup, making it a rare horribly lopsided trade both sides are actually reasonably happy with, even in retrospect (and even as good as Hull was, there was no way he was bailing out the horrible Flames teams of the 90s).
I have no excuse for the St. Louis cut - that was just inexcusably awful work by Flames management - but I will defend the Hull trade to the day I die.
@@Musicrecords10 Gilmour forced his way out, which he had a habit of doing. He refused to play for Calgary anymore and forced a trade, with the Flames forced to accept whatever bits of lint and pocket change Toronto felt like digging out of their couch. Not exactly the Flames' fault on that one - that was back in the era where stars could (and often did) basically stage their own mini-walkout to barter for contract renegotiations or trades.
"it will make the tooth fairy re-mortgage their house" -Steve Dangle 2020
Edit: 12:41
I can put you up Steve N.P. but its B.Y.O.B.D. bring yr own bug dope!
As a Flames fan, it was in. The most annoying part is they were able to bring up the replay before the puck was dropped, but no one in Toronto even blew the horn to check it. The puck was dropped without even a chance to review it.
Nobody in the Saddledome noticed a possible goal until the next day
When I talk to Flames fans about this it's crazy how often they remember it as being in overtime, rather than with 7 minutes left against the 3rd highest scoring team in the league.
Well, they didn't score any more goals in the third after that, did they? As he mentioned in the video, given the style of play in the playoffs back then, the Flames could have tightened up and the chances of scoring would be next to zero. Not impossible, but it would have been a miracle. It's not like today.
Hilarious. That’s exactly what’s happening now. They think Coleman’s retracted goal would have won them the series lol
@@bobnewton1064 even if they won that series there is no way they would beat the avs
@@cootiedoctor9618 I agree. Aves are a beast o for a team. Regardless Calgary got wrecked 4-1. Of the Coleman goal was allowed they still would have lost the series and probably game.
@@trevorlambert4226 Or the lighting could have gotten more urgent which they would have.
Martin Gelinas was probably the most clutch scorer in the playoffs when timing alone is considered. He also scored the series winning goal in OT in Game 6 to send the Carolina Hurricanes to the 2002 Stanley Cup Final 👀
Fantastic video! Always loved Iginla & The Flames despite them not being my home team. Seeing this live on tv was absolute pain. I so wanted Iginla to bring the cup back to Calgary. I remember I was watching the game live with two of my childhood friends who were rooting for Tampa at the time and I vividly remember arguing about that play for HOURS after the game. They also somehow knew the shift of momentum would be in Tampas favor after that play. I did not want to admit it of course and they busted my balls about it hahaha.
Vinny wasnt captain at the time it was Dave Andreychuk. Cmon you should know that
You think he cares about the non Canadian team? Thats why he only recapped the entire calgary run, not tampa's
@@TmasterEnvy32 They forget that the Lightning finished 1st in the Eastern conference and were 2nd overall in the league that year( 106 points ). Tampa cruised through the 1st two playoff rounds, then got pushed to a Game 7 vs the Flyers before advancing. The Flames made it a real battle and had a chance to clinch the Cup at home in Game 6 but the Lightning rallied and won both Games 6 & 7 & captured their 1st Stanley Cup.
That’s true and inexcusable. I had to give this vid a thumbs down, even though it was otherwise well done.
@@WolverineIncognito You gave a thumbs down because of that? Wow. Talk about petty.
WolverineIncognito pretty pathetic dude, who tf cares about Tampa? I can’t name one person
And the fact that that's the closest a guy like Iginla came to winning the Cup, that hurts even more
Watching gelina score the series winning goals got me fired up all over again. I was 14 when that playoff run happened. God.... I miss kiprusoff
Never in my life did I ever think I’d see a comment on a video from someone I know. Haha
You opened up an old wound! It brought back all the frustrations from that series and those playoffs... and I’m a Sens fan!
Thank you for educating a recent ice hockey fan on hockey history
It was in!
@@trystian8539 Math and science says otherwise.
Great job Steve, as usual. I was cheering for Tampa Bay, in this series. It also brought me back to the “No goal’ controversy with the Buffalo Sabres and Dallas Stars. That goal hurt a bit worse, as it decided the Stanley Cup, and am a Sabres fan. You have said before, if it’s close, celebrate like you won and maybe they go with it.
Thanks again for capturing the thrills (and lows) of hockey! Keep up the great work!
I remember watching this when I was 8 yrs old. I’m and oilers fan, but I cheer for any Canadian team to win the cup. I cried for like an hour after they lost
As a huge oiler fan my whole life, hell YES that puck crossed the line! Both times! But especially in 04. The Calgary Flames are indeed the 2004 Stanley Cup champions.
Sorry flames fans you deserved that W
data and science disagrees with you
After they show the scientific proof of parallax angel , and then the game after using more camera angel to clarify that angel and that redline was better view shows no goal. If you think after that view then your just ignorant. You saw the goal didnt cross the line from those Angel's and reviews. If it didnt go in then it didnt go in. God how hard is that to understand.
Nick Basra -- Again, and I will always tout this to ANYONE that cannot understand the basic fact: The Refs went with the evidence and the view they had on the ice at the time the game was being played. They could NOT conclusively say the puck crossed completely over the line. Thus, they made the correct call. No Goal.
Plus, I'll say this that there is NO TEAM that "deserves to win" the Stanley Cup. You either win through playing the game, or you lose. If you win, kudos to your team. If you lose, well try again next season.
Kiprusoff in '04 is still the greatest playoff goaltending performance of all-time
I'll take J.S Giguere in 2003. 1.62 GAA 942 save %, 5th player to win Conn Smythe on the losing team.
I raise you Tim Thomas is 2011.
Jonathan Quick in 2012
Brodeur was even better than Giggy in 2003. Don't let the 1.65 GAA and .934 sv % fool you. He had an NHL record 7 shutouts that year. That was also the year he became the only goaltender to have recorded 3 shutouts in a playoff series TWICE in their career. The only active goaltender to have done it even once is Robin Lehner. That was also the year Marty became the only goaltender with 3 shutouts in a Cup Final since the Original Six era (Frank McCool did it in 1945 and Clint Benedict in 1926).
Now Vasilevskiy is up there.
A Shutout in every series clinching game?! Wow
Thanks for letting me relive my childhood trauma, it's a bit of closure now
Huge huge Flames fan here. Partied hard and 04 was our glory. In fact it was so magnificent and we partied so hard and so well that when we lost there was no riot, there was not fires or looting, cough cough Vancouver. In fact 30+ thousand showed up to cheer our team in a losing party. I don’t know if that was in but what pissed me off was there was not even a review.
Considering we know the puck hit the goalies toe before being kicked away, yeah there's a 90+% chance that puck was in based on how deep the toe was inside the net.... But that's just based on my own experience playing as a goalie, in terms of what we can actually see from replays, it's a toss up, nothing clear either way
What a completely arbitrary number. It's more likely that it wasn't in.
As an oilers fan. I was cheering for the Flames to win (living in southern Ab you kind of had to... and yeah John Shannon's explanation kind of ruins the speculation.
john Shannon is clueless
It’s just a conspiracy to cover it up
@@jonathancosby1429 Yes a conspiracy made years after the fact GET OVER IT YOU LOST 😆
@@andrewryba7864 Science isn 't however.
12:18 Ah ah! So perfectly true! I always thought hockey was kinda magic, or art... playing a sport on skates!!! And wondered the same thing : who invented that?
My heart is broken... again. Thanks Steve. We tried to put it behind us, but no, you just have to torture us for no reason.
It wasn't a goal.
@@mr.brenman2132 It was a goal. That was why they rushed the puck drop and didn't do a hard review on it.
History repeats itself I guess 💀
They should use sensors in the goal post like in football (soccer), that could help
I've also thought some kind of technology like that could be a good idea, then I saw the shooting accuracy challenge at the last All Star game.
Much easier to have sensors detect if a sphere crosses the line. Something cylindrical like a puck is much harder to get an accurate measurement. A sphere is always the same shape. The puck could enter the net at a multitude of different angles that would make it exponentially harder to read.
Sensors and/or cameras
@@jp1170 All they would have to do is put two sensor strips inside the puck that goes around the top of the puck and bottom of the puck. 2 in the goal posts and if all sensors cross the line its a good goal and only if all sensors cross the goal. That would detect if the cylindrical puck crosses the line completely. Ive thought of this idea back when I was a kid lol. Its getting close to reality though.
They’ve actually already used 2 tiny cameras inside the crossbar aiming straight down and another one in the middle bar at the back of the net aiming at the goal line. They used these in last year’s SCF, and it costs $100,000 to do each net!!
2004 was the first year i really watched hockey as a fan of the sport. i started as a local ducks "fan" cuz they were local. but, i played the penguins and the flames on nhl 2004 and i felt like i needed to make a decision in 04 on who to root for. i chose the pens. but, the flames were still a team i liked a lot. the 04 cup final i was at a local bar watching and i couldnt have been more mad than when i saw the puck go in and it wasnt called. looking back, it was the right call probably. but, i'll probably always remember that
I remember this all too well. It was one of those series where I was couldn't pick who I wanted to win. I would be happy when the flames scored and happy when Tampa scored. That game 6 tho. Man what a controversial play. As a sabres fan I know it all too well. The Dallas game. That rule was so dumb. Wish it never happened. But I was upset the year after when LeClair scored through the side of the net and they let it stand. It was sick. Was clear as day. Hasek looked confused and was looking around like how did it go in. Hate seeing that in big games. The flames one I really want to know if it was ever really in.
As a life-long Flames fan I used to be really bitter about how we lost in 2004; but I was 15 then, I'm 31 now, I've grown up a lot since then, I've learned a lot about the world and myself, and I've come to appreciate what a good story the Lightning had going for them.
That franchise was a *dumpster fire* just 6-7 years prior, when they put up 3 straight sub-20 win seasons, the team was awash in debt (equal to *236%* of the team's value in 1997, according to Forbes!) due to some of the worst misownership ever seen in pro sports, by a Japanese consortium so shady and mysterious that at least one potential buyer for the team backed out because _he didn't think their leader actually existed._
And then things got better. Stable ownership finally arrived, they drafted Vincent Lecavalier, picked up a disgruntled Nikolai Khabibulin from Phoenix, signed Martin St. Louis as a free agent because Calgary _cut him_ (thanks for that, Craig Button!) and away they went.
Plus, like, I know we Canadians love to rag on Sunbelt cities, but honestly Tampa's proven to be a _really good_ hockey market: they still hold the playoff attendance record from the 1996 playoffs, when they drew 28k at what was then called the *ThunderDome* (best arena name ever IMO) and what's now called Tropicana Field; they always hold one of the league's best average attendances year in and year out; and on top of everything else they actually _regularly outdraw the Tampa Bay Rays._
So yeah, losing 2004 used to really get under my skin, but it's been 16 years and I've moved on; what bugs me more about that era now is Craig Button's awful run as GM before Sutter came aboard to fix things, and the fans who _haven't_ moved on and still insist we were done dirty by a conspiracy of... some sort.
Anyways, congrats again, Lightning.
Yeah, That was 16 years ago. It's time to move on, congrats to the lightning tho.
It was in
Tropicana Field is where the Rays play. The Lighting played at the St. Pete Times Forum, which is now Amalie Arena.
@@justinmiller5660 - Correct. But from 1993-1996, before the Devil Rays existed, the Lightning played there while they waited for their new arena to open.
I’m a Sharks fan and I was 8 in 04’. I’ve always had this “what if” in my head that if we didn’t lose to the Flames, we would have beat Tampa Bay in the Stanley Cup Finals. It was also the first time I didn’t see my parents arguing as who to root for (Giants/49ers and A’s/Raiders fans) so I was genuinely invested in this series hoping to see the Sharks win it all.
That's the type of Dang It that makes Steve talk to those hockey figures again.
Imagine in an alternate universe, Flames fan Steve still rips his heart apart from the devastation that is the Stanley Cup Final no goal.
Truly, a fate worse than losing to a 42 year old Zamboni driver who works for your team.
Well it would've been nice if they had just reviewed it and said no goal, even if it wasn't a goal and they reviewed it, it was pretty close so we have no idea what they would've said, and I don't think anything can be conclusive because we never get to see the overheard on the original play
True
Yeah but I still believe if that happened the no goal call would still be just as controversial today
The Nhl should start using top notch tecnology like a sensor inbeded in the puck and some sort of sensor on the goal lines so this rip-off won't ever happen again.It's been 16 years since but that no goal still pisses me off.I was soooo heartbroken that day and everytimw I see the video I suffer
Anton corbijn Yeah, I’d imagine it wouldn’t be hard with today’s technology to put some kind of sensor inside the puck, and other sensor in the goal line. And they would send a signal or something if the puck fully crosses the line
@@antoncorbijn1190 Biggest problem, is you could put a sensor in the puck, but could you guarantee that the tech wouldn't be broken what with all the hits and speeds the puck takes? I know that sucker is solid rubber, but you'd have to do a half-cast mold to put the tech in, and then worry about it breaking apart when it gets smacked too hard.
In any case, being so salty after so many years? Flames fans or any Canadian Hockey fan that STILL feels bitter about this call?
Take a page from us Bucs fans, after the fiasco of a botched call back in the NFC Championship game in 1999. Yes, it hurt. Yes, we did eventually get back to the Super Bowl . . . but for the white, that loss still hurt. But, we've eventually let it go. Something you guys need to do. Focus on the future, never get tangled in the past.
Great episode, love the storytelling
Betcha Oilers Fan Steve thinks something of this
Damn, now Oilers Fan Steve has a weapon every time he has to deal with a Flames fan.
Nick Sojka Flames can just point at Brind amours goal in game 1
Uhhh! Was Lecavalier the captain? I was so sure it was Dave Andreychuk.
It was in! It absolutely was in. Flames got absolutely screwed. Gelinas confirmed that the puck was in last year. I know it's hard to see but it's across the line. To this day, Flames fans are still angry about this. I am too. And the trip on Chris Simon should've been called. That could've changed the entire series and Calgary could've won
YES thank you. The trip has me more mad than the non-goal. That was a blatant trip. Players have to be in control of their own appendages and dude either was reckless or was well aware of what he was doing. 2 minute penalty, goal doesn't count, Flames on the powerplay.
Using the Shannon and Thorne explanations as to why that puck wasn’t in is a stretch because the puck was going in a different direction and it doesn’t take into account the placement of Khabibulin’s pad. Even if you could make the argument the puck wasn’t in, Kerry Fraser’s atrocious reffing also cost the Flames a game and momentum in the series.
Another question: if the 2004/05 season had been played would the flames have been able to use this outcome to fuel a Stanley cup run?
😳 woah
Still waiting for the whistle in Game 6 of the 2017 final in Nashville.
Yeah that was bullshit
Damn, names like Iggy, Saprykin, Gelinas, Niemenen, Kobasew, Conroy, Simon. Never been that invested in a hockey team again
As a flames fan I’m thoroughly outraged
Oh my God it hurts still. Totally forgot about this until now
It hurts to remember
How could it hurt if you forgot about it? I'm not a flames fan , but I will always remember this.
I (born in Calgary) was at that game, flew in from Vancouver and took my two little cousins. Spent a fortune, still have our tickets, even got to meet the late Ken King that day. I thought my team was finally going to win the Cup and I had patiently waited and saved all playoffs to come in for a game. This really did sting and that recap was fantastic. My wife (born in Vancouver) wasn't a hockey fan until I converted her and I am going to make her watch this. Well done. The goal was in in 2004 standards and should have counted. This is why I believe in alternate universe's/quantum physics because somewhere, I celebrated the Flames winning that game and the Cup of 2004. #triggered
This is THE best video I have seen in months!!!
I also recall a Tampa player tripping a Flames player as he almost broke out of the zone in the 2nd OT of Game 6. Just because you're laying on your stomach, doesn't mean you can use your legs to prevent a player from skating passed you which is what he had done. In fact it's at 14:56.
It looks like a flames player took him down as another flames player skated over him. That's not a tripping call
I agree. Dirty greasy sneaky trip.
Martin Gelinas lives in my neighborhood I’ve been wanting to say it was in to him for some time now lmao
Theres a play in overtime in game 6 where Dave Lowry feeds Marcus Nilsson on a 2 on 1 that Nilsson redirects literally an inch below Khabibulans shoulder. This is the play that most eats me up when i think about game 6. The Gelinas play is in the 3rd, its a bit cloudy and there still would have been time on the clock. The Nilsson play though...if the puck is 1 inch higher the Calgary Flames win the Stanley Cup in overtime on home ice on a Saturday night. 1 inch.
Im an oilers fan and Iginla is by far one of my favorite players. Kipper was dope too at the time
How about the sabers Dallas “foot in the crease” goal?
stars would have won anyways
@@NHLMasterLikeAndSUBSCRIBE no one knows as a sabres fan we still would have had to win game 6
Lived in Calgary at that time
Was on electric Ave on game nights
It was a goal
We were robbed
Great video, great breakdown!
We may not ever know for sure but the graphic the nhl created should have animated where the puck would be, further in or out based on how far off the ice the puck was. The main assumption, the one unknown, could have been animated to show the puck in the net if it was closer to the ice. Would have fanned the flames, ahem, that it was a goal.
This video was SO GOOD! So gooood!!!!
Watching this after Tampa won their second cup
Almost 3rd😓
@@haklaz352 You know now how we Bolt's fans felt in those first years before '04. Most of the time it was teams like Detroit, New Jersey, New York, Los Angeles, and Dallas that were winning the Cup. When we won in 2004 -- after the Bucs won in 2003 -- we all were proud fans then! Still are, but that FIRST Cup win? Will always be remembered!
"You might miss the x by half an inch." That is pure gold.
NHL needs to implement goal line technology like soccer, if the puck completely crosses the line, the watch buzzes, beeps, etc. Why Not !
Its all dependent on how far above the ice the puck is
no it's not.... cross the line is cross the line.
@@kevinkarbonik2928 no, the angle of the camera creates an illusion of the puck being across the line. The puck being off the ice can make the puck look further into the net than it actually is.
Ay delete this fam
😖 ik
You know who was the closest and had the best angle? Martin Gelinas, and he said from the very beginning, before anyone started looking at replays that he thought it was in. Of course, he was a little bit biased.
I GREW UP IN THIS ERA OF FLAMES FAN.
NOW IM A LEAFS FAN.
MY LIFE IS PAIN
Tampa fan here...
First off - I feel your pain, Calgary. We'll never know if it really was in or not... But with that breakdown by ABC during game 7 - I'm 99.9999% sure it wasn't in... The puck was in the air. If it was flat on the ice, goal. If it's above the ice even 1 inch - no goal.
We actually did a project in my high school math class where we had to take the measurements of the puck, and do basically what ABC did... Obviously we didn't have fancy computers, but in the end it was determined that something like 30% of the puck was across the line... But that's no goal. Gotta be 100%....
Actually, might have to be 101% in or else you may not be able to see the little gap between the puck and the goal line.
Second - I feel for Iginla. I was at every home playoff game during the Lightnings cup run, including game 7 of the ECF and game 7 of the Cup Finals... And I had the opinion that I would LOVE to have Iginla on our team.
Of course, because hockey, and being in the middle of the cup finals - not many Tampa fans agreed with me... Anyone in red was a mortal enemy.
But that statement that if you don't like Iginla, you don't like hockey is so true.
I still think that Lecavalier vs Iginla fight is one of the best fights in NHL history... Not best as in most violent or a knockout... But best because it was between not only the captain of the flames vs the assistant captain of the lightning (Andreychuk wore the C that year for Tampa then retired, so Vinny was captain from 2006 - getting traded... I still HATE the fact that we traded him - he's a legend in Tampa and literally everyone adores V4 here in Tampa.
But here are 2 players who are capable of scoring 50 goals a season duking it out - and they weren't playing patty cake. They were both throwing BOMBS at each other.
Vinny got in the first few good shots... Iginla then comes back to land some good shots on Lecavalier... And then they just punched each other pretty much evenly.
It wasn't a 10 second long "fight" where they each grab each other's collar and hit the other guy in back of the head... It was like a minute of true anger between 2 of the most skilled players in the NHL at that time.
They were both big boys too.. Vinny was like 6'3 and 210.. I think Iginla was maybe an inch shorter but 10lbs heavier....
And both of them actually knew how to fight.
I remember that fight fired up the lightning players so much they were almost breaking their sticks banging on the boards.
Id give the fight to Iginla in a close decision... But it is a very close decision.
Iginla fought more than Vinny, but Vinny actually started it and stood in there toe to toe with one mean mf'r.
God I love hockey!
Rangers fan here. It was a goal but there was still 7 minutes left so TB could have still tied it.
No goal by Flames people need to stop
@@FAITHandLOGIC Exactly. Being down by a goal instead of tied with 7 minutes left changes the way Tampa plays and they might have tied it anyway.
Does giving up 4 goals in a 5 minute major with 10 minutes left in period 3, after leading 3-0 in a game seven, only to tie the game with 6 seconds left, then choke in OT count as a cartoony enough dang it?
Golden Knights?
Who's here after seeing Calgarys tweet?
The puck for sure crossed the line. You can see the puck lodge up in the padding in the corner of the foot and shin portion of the pad... well over the goal line.
Ontop of that, stopping into the puck is NOT kicking it in, it's a deflection.
This is coming from me, Bruins fan...
Yep, it was the tweet for me, too.
The puck wasn't over the line. The only way it could possibly have been in is if the puck were on the ice at the precise moment in question. However, in the live gameplay angle, you can see the puck moving down toward the ice as it comes back out through Gelinas' legs.
The only way that could be reconciled with the puck being on the ice is if Khabibulin kicked it up. This did not happen - in fact, he shifts the angle of his pad downward, towards the ice. This is consistent with the puck having been kicked up by the angle and motion of Gelinas' skate and being in the air at the moment of contact with Khabibulin's pad.
This all means that ABC's "unscientific" analysis is right on the nose - the puck's elevation above the ice created the illusion that it was in from the replay angle.
I too have no horse in the race as a Devils fan.
I'm still haunted by this. Martin Gelinas would have gotten the SERIES WINNER in every single series (including this goal). It was destiny ruined
Oh man. It's been over ten years since that game and I can still remember exactly where I was and my reaction to that 'goal'. My friends and I started cheering and then got really confused when the play didn't stop.
It was in, goals like that have counted before and after this. Refs back then knew fuckall about some parralex bs. We don't even know the height or the angle of the puck. Their eyes were the ones to judge if the puck was in or not so either they were blind or they had no guts to call it a Stanley Cup winning goal.
I was in the arena at Game 6. Everyone around me were positive that puck was in. Then play resumed and nothing. We were like, WTF just happened?? Still hurts to this day.
My dad and I used to always get our hockey sticks with Iginla’s curve on it
Come on lightning, 2020 is your year. Make it the 2nd cup ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Spoiler: They did
Its pens time now!
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And now it’s 2021 with a chance to make it their 3rd Cup! ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
@@ajstimac2489 yesss
"SCORE! GAME 7! MARTIN ST. LOUIS! WE ARE GOING BACK TO TAMPA BAY!!!" The 2nd finest call in Tampa Bay Lightning history, behind, obviously -
"THE TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING HAVE WON THEIR FIRST STANLEY CUP!!!"
And now, the 3rd and 2nd greatest calls in Lightning history, respectively, now behind.....oh, you know. You know. 🏆🏒⚡️
Even without a possible parallax view, that angle you kept showing didn’t show the puck in the net. There is one overhead view that does seem to show it in though.
Looking back, I more want that win for Jarome Iginla, not the Flames. Guy worked his ass off for years and not having his name on the Cup is a shame.
No, it looks like the puck is still in the air in the shot where the white is visible. I believe that is ABOVE the line, but not completely across it.
You can tell by comparing it to the position of the pads.
How is this still a thing? It was clearly the parallax error. To be fair, if it was called a goal, it would have stood, but there wasn't close to enough evidence to prove a goal
And he kicked it anyways
Finally a comment thread with fax.
The fact they dropped the puck so quickly after a moment like that....NHL trying to make hockey big in USA moment.
Here it is in a nut shell .....
" hockey's ridiculous "
Hahaha love it
Even as a Habs fan, I'm still very frustrated with this. I can't even imagine if I was a life long Flames fan. Hockey Gods owe the Flames a cup, big time.
I’m a flames fan and I have been die hard cheering for the Canadiens since day 1 of these playoffs.
@@abtinhozouri How about Habs bring the cup back to Canada this year and you keep it in Canada next year. Deal? :)
@@remybeauchamp HAHAHA
It was in
Absolutely it was in. If you look at the overhead cam and see where it makes contact with the pad, you can see that the puck makes contact in the break of the pad behind the line. Same case in the Freddie Andersen/Sam Bennett one that was also in this video. Its eerie and ironic that both plays were waived off no goal, happened in the same end of the same rink around the same time of their respective games...little eerie if ya ask me
The recreation at 13:30 seems pretty convincing that it was on the line, though?
That year was all destiny for Tampa Bay, they were just destined to win the Cup. Watching that Flyers v Lightening series and seeing the bounces they were getting, I knew it was just their year. I hoped the Flames could've railroaded them, after that Game 6 though, I knew it wasn't going to happen. Hell of a series regardless, but I also think about what a Flyers v Flames series would've been like. Speaking of the Flyers should do 1980 SCF, and Leon Stickle missing the offsides.
That was so IN
Sorry, the ref's call was final. No Goal.
@@SSobotkaJr Doesn't mean it was not in
they did not even review it
That 2004 Stanley cup banner should be hanging in our stadium… but no.. it’s in Florida… that was 100% an OT goal
Oh my goodness I'd forgotten how Cullimore tripped Chris Simon on the way out to the point, which is why the Lightning got the puck on goal and St Louis ties the series.
That should've been a penalty. Could've changed the entire games and Calgary could've won
another stat for Calgary\Iginla every time he lost his helmet he either scored or was apart of a goal while on the ice with no helmet on ;) happened against Detroit game 3 as well
I was cheering for Calgary to win, but it definitely wasn't a goal. You can't see cross the line, the John Shannon explanation is perfect.
I've seen the replay a couple more times and I wonder if....they would've ruled that the puck was directed in off Martin Gelinas' skate. Who knows. But the Flames initially didn't really make a big fuss about the play, it wasn't until well after that we started seeing replays but by then it was far too late to go back & reverse what happened.
at first i was convinced it was in, but after the parallax explanation, i genuinely can’t tell
The parallax explanation has been debunked
Aaron Adams in the same way that the flat earthers try and disprove spherical earth
@@aaronadams9831 what? No it hasn’t. The nhl doesn’t use this angle specifically because of it. You can literally test it for yourself.
If you can’t tell then the call on the ice stands. No goal.
every time I start too finally forget that very god forsaken moment a video shows up 😪 and this pain will not go away for a Flames fan until they finally hoist a cup again.
This one still hurts. I'm like Steve, in that I'm a Leafs fan but I cheered harder for that Calgary team in the finals than I have for the Leafs in a very long time. Only until relatively recently. That team was a wagon.
At the time, I KNEW it went in. I was SURE.
Now, I'm not so sure. I think the NHL got it right, for no other reason than it is inconclusive.