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Respectfully, I think some people are missing the point of this video. Of course this won't work for everybody for various reasons. However, for the enthusiasts who wants the cinema like experience at home while watching premium content, on larger sizes this is the standard recommendations. But, it always comes down to each their own. Our influencers are just give us a baseline from which to work from. The industry's focus on larger sizes is based on the enthusiast market's desire for the optimal viewing experience with premium content on high-end models preferably. The broader more casual viewer isnt as concerned or motivated by specs or other measures
You miss the real point. 3D failed, 8k didn't take off so margins won't take off until you make bigger sizes. Pressure from Hisense and TCL at the budget end (55-65") only makes things worse. So now suddenly 'Creator's Intent' has changed as has content (only it hasn't!). Most people still watch non-bluray, non-pristine, low-bitrate 4k streams for about 30% of the times and 1080i/720p for the rest, upscaling still doesn't make 1080p look like even 1080p on a 4k screen. So if a video was made for only 1% or so of the audience (Home-theater owners) why not spell that out?! The confusion is deliberate, it doesn't pay to provide perspective.
Yoo thank you! I kept going back and forth but now settled on 75 inches. Space is limited and I thought I'd be putting ppl too close but naw, they're going to be immersed whether they like it or not 😁
Me too, but these new "screen size to viewing distance" recommendations are only for 4K HDR TVs and projection systems. ALL professional TV reviewers, including CNET and Consumer Reports agree on these exact viewing distances that Phil Holland is also recommending. Phil Holland was very nice to also include several viewing distance choices for each screen size.
What a fun and interesting video. I love my 65 inch A95K. I sit approximately 6-7 feet away and it feels very immersive to me without having to turn my head at all!
Unless you have a dedicated media/TV room, you will likely have your TV in your living room. So the issue isn't just the seating distance to the TV. Rather, it is whether you want a large TV to dominate the decor. Even if it is displaying "art" or is somewhat hidden by a variety of methods, it may still be considered by some to be unsightly.
@@paulc5389 Agreed. But some don't consider a TV to be all that important and worth of so much real estate in their home given the amount of use. And they are still unsightly.
For once I’m actually not going to agree with this video. I can understand the logic with using a standard mathematical equation to find the “preferred” seating distance. Yet everyone has different vision acuity, preferences on seating position,limited tv placement in living rooms, on and on. Not to mention “how” they prefer to watch movies? Some people love having to turn their heads left to right to watch areas on big screens. Others like to sit back and being able to see content out of their peripheral vision. What I have noticed is the influencer push to buy 77” tvs and bigger. They won’t even discuss below 77” any longer. Just my opinion. Not negative or positive.
Yea it's like owning anything less than 77" makes you a low end consumer of the spectrum, I've noticed this development on UA-cam as well. People are pushing 100 and more nowadays and wanting that Cinematic experience, it's getting wild and out of hand. Not everyone is living in a stadium arena.
I agree completely. When I’m in my living room, I don’t want to feel like I’m being assaulted by a giant screen. I sit like 7-8 feet from my 55”. Is it completely immersive? No. Is it comfortable? Yeah. Also, I have astigmatism. Things get a lot harder on my eyes the closer they are.
Totally agree, I have a 65" and sit 6.5ft away and it's too big, it's the motion that gets me. I will be downgrading to a 55" next year and putting the 65" downstairs in a much larger room
I have an LG 55 C3 sitting 8ft away and it's fine for me. I guess I could go bigger but honestly, didn't feel necessary this is already a massive upgrade from a 10 yo Samsung LCD 1080p and the 55 seemed massive at first. I guess if I wanted to have things take up my entire peripheral vision I'd watch closer or go bigger for the screen
Normally I sit 6-6.5ft away from my 65" OLED. Funny enough when I sat that close to a very well received 65" mini-led it gave me motion sickness, whether all the motion settings were on or off. My parents inherited that one and they love it.
I have a 65" OLED in my bedroom. Its about 6.5ft away from my bed when I lay down and watch TV. I'm thinking of upgrading my TV this year. Would a 77" be too big?
The basis of this sitting distance is viewing 4K content. Unfortunately this isn't real life as most people on the regular basis are watching SDR content probably 95% of the time. Realistically this moves the sitting distance back some to deal with the lower resolution content.
It’s not realistic for most people to sit 6 feet in front of a 77 inch tv unless it’s always just one person using the tv. Anyone sitting on the sides of a couch would have a terrible viewing angle at that distance.
I'm currently sitting 8 feet away from an 83" TV. It's on an entertainment center that puts the TV a little higher than it should be so I feel I have to sit back a little to see the whole screen comfortably. Once I finish my basement and mount it on the wall in the exact right spot I'll sit a bit closer.
I'm exactly 10 ft back from a 77-in LG C2. No complaints. If I move my sofa any closer it would make the room look stupid because there be way too much open area with the couch crammed to the end to get close enough to the TV.
His point is, if you don't want the room to look ridiculous because of having the empty space resulting from moving the sofa closer, get a ridiculously big TV. 'Creator's Intent'... 'Content is Changing'. Apparently, broadcast 1080i/720p will now look as good as 4k on these new TVs😂
I don't agree with sitting closer and "creator intent". I want to see the entire image without shifting my eyeballs up down left right let alone moving my head - which is what would happen if you sit as close as they suggest. If i venture out to a commercial cinema, often choose to sit in the 13th row based upon walking up to the screen and sizing up the look of the screen as i get closer.
Of course, you don't "see" entire image because your eye's focus is extremely narrow. However far away you sit from a TV, you still can't read what says in the news ticker or station logo while looking at the center of the screen, you need to shift focus. When the screen is big in your field of view, you can still see the whole image with your peripheral vision because your field of view is 180 degrees. Just saying.
I personally enjoy SMPTE viewing standard which is 30 degrees, especially for everyday viewing.... my issue with THX distance is I feel like I need to keep moving my eyes to see everything on screen, especially when laying down. And let's be honest, watching something like Seinfeld on a super massive screen that fully immerses you is just weird.
For me it depends on the content and whether it’s 16x9 or 21x9. I put heavy duty furniture sliders under my couch so I can move it closer or farther easily depending on the content. I don’t always do this, only when I’m in the mood. So I sit about 9 feet from my 77 oled, but will move to 6 feet on certain occasions. Now when it comes to gaming it’s a different story. I would never sit 6 feet away. Playing FPS type games I feel like being too close or the screen being too big is a detriment to playing my best.
Right now I sit 8 feet away from my 50" plasma, but I have an unpacked 83" LG OLED waiting for help in the hallway. I believe I will operate they way you do. I also plan to buy one of the next generation projectors (hopefully) next year paired with at least an 120" 2.35:1 up or down rollable ATS. Gaming on TV and movies with projector. TV-series and sports on any. That´s my plan at least 🙂
@@Jojken nice! You’re gonna love the oled. I had 65 Panasonic plasma for many years. Great tv, but I personally like the oleds much more. And yeah I plan on getting a projector setup again. They’ve really come a long way and are more affordable now than ever.
Recently upgraded my cx 55 to a c3 77 with a 6 foot viewing distance and it honestly feels too large for such a small space snd close distance. Oled already shows any imperfections with content and being so large and close just makes it worse.
I have an 83" TV, just moved my sofa from 8 feet away to 7 and it's made a positive difference. Watching a clip of the Cuba shootout scene in James Bond No Time To Die felt more immersive and intense. Loaded up Cyberpunk 2077, and while I do have to move my eyes (not head) if I want to see a UI element in a corner, it's worth it for the immersion. I don't play multiplayer FPS so it's good for me.
I feel that bigger TV (viewing angle 40°+) are super amazing, but I get tired after 30 minute into the movie. I like between 30° & 40° viewing angle, I can comfortably watch anything as much as I want.
I'm just going to say this - 85 inch TV from 6 feet away is 54.4 degree FOV. If we were not human, it's perfect but for humans our focal FOV (the one that matters) is limited to 20 degrees and we're essentially just zooming the image in. Is it better to see 50% of the image at twice the size as opposed to the entire image? If there are 2 people on screen you can't see both of them - you will have to choose who you want to look at. Now if you want the extra immersion GoVee or Philips Hue will do that and you don't have to look at it as it's not real content - it'll just fill your peripheral vision with the extra stuff like the 85 inch will. I guess it's a matter of preference - if you want blown-up less detailed content, then a larger TV might be the better solution. If you want detail and want to see everything, then a smaller TV is better.
The Phil Holland recommendations are just silly, as you point out not all of our vision is actually being processed at the same level, even 6.5 feet from a 75" is too much imo, a 65" is the perfect size for 6" viewing distance. I'm a TV salesman so I have vested interest in selling people bigger and bigger TVs if they want them but I wouldn't recommend silly distances like this, many would bring it back saying its far too large. This smacks of people with a vested interest in calibrating your new TV trying to get you to buy a bigger TV than is necessary for the space. If I upgraded to an 85" I would definitely rearrange the room and put it on the wall just to get the maximum distance it could be from my main viewing position, ie 10.5 feet.
I’m about 13.5 feet away from a 75in .. there’s times where I feel I should’ve gottena 85, but not my budget couldn’t stretch that far.. overall I’m happy nonetheless..
But sitting that close to the TV means giving up on your home theater system or any audio experience that requires optimal speaker placement. I mean, do you really want your center speaker firing sound at your crotch from 6 feet away?
I agree. Those following this advice either have their TVs way too high or don't have any sort of speaker setup that they care about. If you go greater than a 50 degree viewing angle for a TV, you struggle with front left and right speaker placement since they'll be far too wide if you want them at ear level. Center channels, you can compromise a bit having them below the screen, but hopefully not much below, and then angled upwards at your ear. The only way these larger viewing angles are possible for good speaker placement is from an acoustically transparent screen paired with a projector. I'm 10' away from a 121" 16:9 projector screen (not acoustically transparent), and this gives me ~47 degree viewing angle. If I went any larger/wider of a screen without acoustically transparent would make the fronts far too wide (and push the center too low) unless I went with a scope aspect ratio screen.
I measured it once but I think I'm about 7 feet away from my 75 8k Z9K and it seems fine to me. I grew up watching 23 inch Zenith crt SD sets so when I got a 27 Panasonic GAO SD set in the early 90s it seemed huge, then I upgraded to a Toshiba 34HFX84 16x9 crt set it looked awesome in 2005. It still worked in 2019 when I finally gave it away after having several led sets and 4k sets from 55 to 75 with the Sony. Been playing the TV game since you could still find color TVs with round tubes that worked cheap.
Cool. We had a 16" B&W CRT in the kitchen when I grew up in the 80:s. Myself, I had a 20" Grundig in my room that got upgraded to a 25" Luxor in my teenage years. I kept it for a long time and bought an Epson PJ 2008 and not until 2013 I ditched the crt for a 50" Panasonic plasma. Not until this very week in 2024 I upgraded to an 83" LG OLED C3. I hope to finally upgrade my projector next year as I am waiting for the next generation of Epson which I hope will have both VRR and 3D and perhaps also Dolby Vision 🙂
I have a 77” LG G3 in my bedroom. My recliner is 6’ away from the tv and my bed (roughly, 8.6’ away from the tv. The other night I put on the Turbine 4K disc of The Frighteners on my Panny UB820. The reviews of the disc come in very positive for PQ, but from my recliner the PQ viewing was pretty messy with grain looking distracting among other complaints. But, from my bed 2 or so feet further away, the image cleared up and took on a whole other better dimension PQ wise and consistent with the reviews. My point is: 6” away is immersive but can mess with PQ (sometimes, doesn’t happen all the time).
I’ve been messing around with this viewing angle thing lately, I sit at about a 45° angle now from an 83 inch (6.5 feet)I tried the 58° angle (5.5 feet) and while it’s good for movies I definitely started feeling nauseous playing Halo… so I agree what’s good for one type of content doesn’t necessarily work for gaming unfortunately
Thanks for this video and for a tool to void my precautions. I currently have 55 inch C1 and thinking about upgrading to 77 G4, but I was pretty scared of it being too big for my space (my couch is 2.85m away from tv). It seems like I can go even bigger than I thought. THough 83 inch g4 is too pricy and I can't justify the bump up in price. So 77 it is! I hope it gets released soon here. Global release was supposed to be on 11th of march (which is today), but it seems like Ukraine still has no mentions of it being released.
Thank you for this most important presentation on the new and correct recommended viewing distances from your TV! Also glad you referenced our great friend Phil Holland, who is one of Hollywood's top professional cinematographers. Phil mostly films in native 8K HDR and is on our panel of expert judges at our annual TV Shootout Evaluation event. The trend from all TV manufacturers is better processing, better panels and larger screen sizes, and the consumers are loving these new larger premium video displays and sitting closer than they did with the older TVs.
Sit where you want to sit. You don't need a chart to tell you where to sit. sit close or far away from the display, either way you will enjoy your film....
@@michael-4k4000 All true, but their is several advantages to follow the sitting distance recommendations to get the most enjoyment and immersive experiences.
@@michael-4k4000 you wont enjoy it if you're getting a mobile phone experience vs one that fills more of your vision. the chart tells you how much of a tv fills your vision at a distance. that's why charts exist. its not a blind sit anywhere you feel like it and get the same results anywhere. people like you are quite oblivious to these things.
I don't think mounting height is easy with these large TVs cuz you are supposed to have the centre be at eye level. You have to mount it low, and soundbar even lower.
Maybe we need to have the ability to adjust the content angle for this to work for all the different sizes and distances. Like if I am sitting very close, I could zoom-out the content to Ultra wide angle. And if I am sitting far away, I should be able to zoom into the content to change the proportions and coverage area.
6 feet from 75+ inch - really? Typical 4K material starts to degrade at this distance - add 2 feet at it looks stunning. I frankly don't understand all this "Sit 3 feet away from 120-inch screen from IMAX-ULTRA-X Experience" or you people just don't have 20/20 vision. lol
Human eye resolution is about 0.017 degree. So 6 feet from 75inch is 48.8 degree FOV which translate to 48.8/0.017=2870 pixel. Far from 4K. The degrade you talking about is the limitation of the source bitrate not 4k. Try blu-ray.
It really depends what you're watching. If watching casually, like UA-cam, comedy, most series, I think 25 degrees is fine. 40 would be too much for casual viewing. However, for a nice movie in high bitrate 4K 40 degrees is great. Personally I wouldn't go beyond 40 though, you'd miss out on too much of the peripheral stuff. My solution is a long heavy duty wall mount arm that extends about three feet or 1m. For example, having your couch is 11ft/3.3m away from a 77" TV for casual viewing, will become 8ft/2.4m away when extended for the cinematic experience.
55 inch A95K from about 2 meters (78.7402 iches ;) and to be honest it makes me cry how good it is ;) ... that XR magic make it really worth it .. And i would even recomend a 40+ inch
7.5 - 8 feet is perfectly immersive for 77", some here really need to check what they are posting and weither that would be a healthy thing for their (likely already damaged) eye sight.
It all depends on what kind of content you are watching. Sit closer or get a bigger TV if you are gaming or watching 4k movies. Sit farther away when watching normal content like news, weather, sports, and Gilligans Island. Also remember, smaller TVs always have MUCH better picture quality than smaller TVs because of screen distortion. It all comes down to personal preference! EAZZY PEEZY. Great review.
Might be useful for a dedicated home theatre setup. Rtings has a better page for lounge room TV, at least for me. I could get a 65" screen which would be great for a lot of stuff but for 16:9 content it would be too big. With my setup my eyes are dead centre of the right half of the TV. No head tilt, I just let my eyes drift back to the centre of the screen.
I currently went from a 55 Hisense U8h sitting roughly 5-6 feet away and I thought it was a perfectly good distance to enjoy what I was watching. I now have a 75 Sony x90l and the furthest I can get is about 81/5-9 feet away. And I remember feeling overwhelmed with the size, I started to feel that I probably should have gone with the 65. But I told myself that I just need time to adjust to the size after going from a 55 to 75 is a pretty big jump. The brightness was crazy and at times i had to close my eyes with all the rich and bright colors jumping at me. It’s been roughly over two weeks and still feel like I could sit back about another foot or so just to get the better complete picture of everything going on around the screen. I don’t like having to be eye jumping all over the place to keep up with all the action scenes or if there is screen shot of a beautiful scenery, I want to be able to take it all in at once rather than having to be gliding side to side and up and down to take in the scene. Some people might enjoy that but I like to see it all in one shot and enjoy it that way. So 3-5 feet sitting for a 75 tv sounds ridiculous. No way, that’s just doing too much, I don’t care what these guys are saying. Although I am glad I went with the 75 over the 65, I already feel like the 65 would have been too small now that I’m adjusting to 75. Heck, I just may go to an 83 for a master class tv next.
6ft distance and 42" from floor to the center of the screen sitting on a standard 20" chair or couch ! The biggest culprit is the vast majority people have their screens too high from their sitting height.
This was a very interesting video! Have just moved to a new house and have unfortunately a small room and have 2.1m from eyes to display distance. Currently on a 65", but was thinking of 85". Thought it was going to be too big, but turns out it would be the perfect size!
@@stopthefomo Thank you for your opinion! Sounds great! Now, I wonder if I should go 98"....I think my speakers on the side be in front of the screen, though!
I observed that the image is identical on a 55-inch full HD television or on a 4k television regardless of its sources: 720p, 1080p or even 4k. So, a 55-inch full HD screen is quite sufficient. Besides, I noticed a 60-inch full HD screen is borderline too large for this content. Therefore, a 65-inch screen is probably ideal for watching 4k content to better appreciate the details. But on the other hand, it's true, watching 720p or 1080p content on a 65-inch screen is less good.
I just bought a 85 inch sony. While waiting i was worried that it was going to be too big. I have 16 feet from the sofa to the tv. After setting up the tv and living with it for a couple weeks i could have went larger. Had too move yhe sofas closer 😊
Distance its also about content and aspect ratio. I am at 10 feet and I have a 65 inches TV and a projector who gives me 95 inches... movies with 2:35 aspect ratio sucks in my TV but looks great in my projector. but 16:9 beggins to be to much in the projector (and really crap with subtitles, even if you can put it small). Also movies with bad editing and shacky cameras are really annoying to see at 95 inches.. And for example with game of thrones (16:9) I put the projector at 80 inches size... In the video the TV is showing a landscape and be inmersed there can be cool, but watch Succession is unnecesary and watch "Taken 3" it's a pain.
For gaming you don't want to sit too close or you will have to move your head too much to see all corners of the screen, especially in competitive online games.
I think the distances Phil Holland is suggesting here are borderline stupid, I game a lot on my 65" (sitting at just over 6ft) so I understand what you mean, but even with passive watching I wouldn't want to be any closer than I already am, If I sit forward even 1 foot it feels to close and I have to move my head to see things on the far sides/corners.
@@Kuranghi Agreed. I personally prefer not having to move my eyes too far from the center of the screen, a quick glance should be enough to see anything going in an action packed scene. Moving my neck/head constantly is too annoying and gets me killed in online FPS. For slow stuff I guess being closer for immersion is fine, but at that point might as well use VR lol
@@Roe777 I play only singleplayer games and a lot of them are games with no combat and little to no time pressure for doing actions... even in these games I find moving my head around tiring. Also a lot of these games are running at 30fps and even though its an LCD with a slow response time I get eye fatigue in the dark, if I was on an OLED with the stutter it has without motion interpolation, it would be awful imo.
@@Kuranghi I don't know how you guys do it. I have a 55 inch from 11 ft and I'm still deciding whether to go to 65 inch as I don't want any eye movement at all. If I had to move my head, then I'd pay $10,000 for a smaller TV than a larger one where I have to move my head even if it was MicroLed and free.
Well I sit 10 ft away from my 100 inch projector screen and it's absolutely fine totally immersed but I believe you cant just sit 3-4 ft away from TV screen it ll be weird so buy a large screen TV instead 65+ inch or so and sit 8 - 12 ft away depending on screen size. You need this gap to not feel suffocated have some space for breathing 😅
That's my problem...I love the immersion of sitting 3 ft away from my 65inch Samsung but feel a bit cluttered at the same time. Maybe I'll get a chair I can easily pull up close to the TV for watching movies and put it back after the movie...that might work.
My home theater is in my living room so I'd rather be relaxed and not super close, while giving plenty of others good seats around the space to watch, and not making my living room feel cramped. My 77 inch seems plenty large even from the kitchen though. I'd have to measure but I think my actual seat is like 8-10 feet from the TV. I hate being too close and having to track things with my eyes. It also seems to lead to eyestrain over time. No way I'll ever move my couch up, though I could see myself going to an 83 inch one day if I ever need to justify an upgrade ha.
interesting. I am 9' away from a 65". I 'd be 13' if I mounted it on wall instead of the tv cabinet floating 3.5' from back wall. I wanted to go 77" and wall mount. This says I need a 85"+ Sounds great but 85" OLED costs too much. guess I go 77" and keep it floating. Still not close enough but it's all I can do. Maybe I need a 43" OLED for a monitor?
This is valid for newer tvs, with smaller leds(mini led/oled), in my 400€ LG entry level LED from 4 years ago, if I sit closer, It all becomes squares.
I agree that 60° is good for high quality 4k and above content but not everything we are watching is that high res just yet. 45°-50° seems like a good compromise for now
I lie on my bed 2 meters away from my cheap 43 inch TV. I didn't have money for a bigger one. Is there something that let's the screen point down to you?
Yes. A stand can be adj in the up and down direction, but is usually only coming with a monitor, though. I have an adj TV mount connected to the wall with a VESA mount. It naturally angles down, due to the weight of the TV. Most TV mounts have that adj but not all, so you have to pay attention to it's description online or see it in person.
This info is not real-world at all. Most people don’t have huge empty walls to put a 95 inch screen against. Most people don’t have the option of moving beds or couches at will to get a “perfect viewing distance” from the screen.
THX has been saying this for years. I have a Samsung 65 inch 4K TV and if I pull my seat up to about 2 or three feet away I'm totally immersed...I feel like I'm no longer watching a movie but have become a part of the movie...I'm in the picture and part of what's going on...I feel like I'm actually there in the picture.
Need to share this vid with my wife.. as i want the QN95D in 85 inch and she things 75 inch is already to big. My current 55 inch sits at 11.23 inch from our couch and the wall is 12.48 inch away all measured from a seated position on our couch..
Isn't there more to it than that? Sitting close to match the field of view of a movie theater is not exactly apples to apples in your home. Your eyes are harder to focus on something close than it is to do on something larger but farther away. Also TVs are brighter these days so you have to take that intense brightness into consideration.
For movies and gaming inmersion rules!! But for normal content like UA-cam, news, normal series... I don’t like immersion/big tv's. Too... immersive/intense. My solution? Wall mount with extandable arm for movies and gaming!
Maybe for movies, but for gaming that's too big, unless maybe for good graphics rpgs that focus on immersion. Also way too big for SDR or full HD so regular TV will look bad and sports are rarely in 4k.
depends how dominated you want you and any of your guests or partners to be... sure, "immersive" if you're curled up alone or with a couple other people who WANT to be dominated by a giant screen, for a "cinematic" experience. Right now I'm rocking a 55" lg c2 and my eyes are about 9' away. 65 I suppose might be better, but really I'm quite satisfied for now. I don't want to be controlled by my television... quite the contrary.
Am 7.4 feet away from my 83". my mother in law don't like it. I told her because she's used to squinting at small TV screens. Now she complains that News anchors look uglier than she thought. LOL
I would love to put is closer. But movie night makes it tough when you have 5 ppl on a bigass sectional. I will probably move it to 6.5 or go to a 87in when I upgrade in a yr or two.@@techsamurai11
I'm about 6.5 feet away from a 65" it feels fine. I could move up another foot or so. but then my footstool and recliner leaning back is hitting the TV stand so that is the physical limit I can sit close. That said I am planning on getting a 75" and hopefully an 85". And 5.5-6 feet away from an 85" should be pretty immersive. Should be like having a movie theater screen size almost.
I'm sitting 78'' from a 77'' and it's already almost exactly like watching one of the smaller screens at the theater with full screen content. Not quite as much with letterboxed stuff, but it's still damn immersive. Moving up to an 83'' might make letterboxed films perfect, but then it would make full screen and especially gaming worse. Plus, streaming content would look even worse than it already does. Each time I try moving up a foot just to see, the FOV just gets ruined. The recommended viewing distances in that demo in the above video are just laughable. Unless all you do is watch UHD demo material, much of what you're watching will look awful that close.
@@NeonmirrorblackFPS gaming is the only problem. Sony had/have a solution but I don't if it was ever implemented. In their game bar they had an option to make the screen smaller on a large screen. Like make it a 65" in the middle of an 85" by making black bars around sides and top. That seems like a potential solution to that problem.
@@loki76 There are more action games than just first-person shooters, sorry. And reducing the overall size of aspect ratio is not a solution. You don't play on a larger screen just to make it smaller so you can see. It also makes it look worse overall since you're adding letterboxing.
Not sure if anyone is still reading this, but my concern is that with a VA panel, the viewing angle, even for a single person, gets too high at the edges.
The 85" or bigger may be nice for the 3 people sitting on the couch, but then the 4 people sitting on each side where the love seats are closer to tv will be overwhelmed. So out of consideration for my guest I went smaller screen and best quality within my budget. But yeah that 85+ inch would be cool.
The problem is the industry won't adhere to a standard aspect ratio and it's the primary reason why our significant others baulk at larger televisions.
It's really content related . Movie night , bring your seats closer , news , back is 100% preferred , sitcoms back as well , are you really going to be that focused for some re-run of TV shows . Plus if I am engrossed in a movie the TV is all my brain "let's me see" . Watching a nature doco in HDR sit closer , watching a WW2 docu sit back . This guy is referring specifically to cinema like releases , not everything. Same for sport , back a bit so can chat with mates watching in downtime
Ok, so I currently have a 50-inch TV, but I'm gonna be grabbing myself a 55-inch LG C3 In the near future. What exactly is the recommended seating distance??? Sorry, I'm not very good with the numbers given in the video. 😅
This is a funny video to me because I pretty much only use my TV for gaming, I have a 77" C3.. and I sit or stand even.. directly in front of it.. inches away.. it feels like I'm right there in the world of the games I play
Who paid for that tool? ….The TV industry…why? …because we’ve sold soo many great TV’s in the last 2 years, consumers have no reason to buy a new one. …until you make them feel their set is small. …picking with the male ego to sell TV’s is pitiful.
I've been sitting six and a half feet away from my TVs since moving into my current place. First it was a 1080p 42'', then a 55'' OLED, then a 65'' OLED, now a 77'' OLED. Going from 55'' to 65'' made the screen seem "too large" initially, especially for gaming, but took about a week to adjust to (and I couldn't go back to a lower screen size after that), and a similar thing happened with the 77''. Sitting any closer would be too large for full screen shows/movies, but probably perfect for anything letterbox. It's just about perfect for letterbox at six and a half now anyway though. 🤷♂ Sorry, but 3-5 feet for a 75''? That's way too close and streaming content looks like hot garbage at that distance. Most people view a mix of content, they don't just watch UHD demo material. It's also terrible for gaming because you're constantly having to scan the screen way too much.
Also where is the link to Phil’s longer video? There is no box to click on above the green arrow. Even looked on my phone as my normal YT view long in done on the living room tv
You did a great review of the TCL! In the 80” range I’m looking at G4 or Bravia 9 Budget is 5-10k CAD$ the Hisense U88N 100” is one I’ve been debating for the better size to view distance ratio (about 9.5ft distance). Typically I’m an LG/Sony guy. Wrestling with whether the larger size or higher quality will be more impactful.
I sit about 6 feet away from my 85” TV. I use it mostly for gaming and watching movies. I love the immersion that comes from sitting close enough to be like “wow” without being about to see the individual pixels.
I just got a Sony x90l, and im trying to figure out if my firestick 4k max needs to go in one of the 2.1, 4k, 120hz hdmi ports. It looks like Firesticks only support 60hz, so im guessing it's fine in one of the other hdmi ports?? Is there any real benefit for my firestick in a 2.1 hdmi port??
No, 120Hz capability is for gaming where 120fps is native framerate of the (gaming)content. Your movies and series are 24 fps, maximum 60 fps at times. So, while there is no need for using 120Hz input, 120Hz panel surely helps remove pulldown judder from 24 fps sources since 24 fits evenly into 120 by way of 5:5 cadence i.e. each source frame is repeated 5 times on display with no need for (excessive) motion processing
The 'Creator's Intent' is that you need 177" for that room size and you will still only be a getting a compromised experience because... 'Content is changing'🤣
Got a update on my Samsung tv couple of days ago it says 2201 update don't know all the specs but I do notice better color fix but wish I new everything that update done
Im trying to decide between a c3 and g3. Main use will be gaming on my series x but also streaming watching bluray cable too. Is the g3 worth the extra?
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Hey pal. I have a 55 inch sony a8h oled from 2020. How far should I be sitting from it.?
Hello Sony x80L or Samsung Q80C plz?
Me on my 13 inch laptop:
yeah 10 inches away is quite cinematic
lol hello reading glasses!
Respectfully, I think some people are missing the point of this video. Of course this won't work for everybody for various reasons. However, for the enthusiasts who wants the cinema like experience at home while watching premium content, on larger sizes this is the standard recommendations. But, it always comes down to each their own. Our influencers are just give us a baseline from which to work from. The industry's focus on larger sizes is based on the enthusiast market's desire for the optimal viewing experience with premium content on high-end models preferably. The broader more casual viewer isnt as concerned or motivated by specs or other measures
You miss the real point. 3D failed, 8k didn't take off so margins won't take off until you make bigger sizes. Pressure from Hisense and TCL at the budget end (55-65") only makes things worse. So now suddenly 'Creator's Intent' has changed as has content (only it hasn't!). Most people still watch non-bluray, non-pristine, low-bitrate 4k streams for about 30% of the times and 1080i/720p for the rest, upscaling still doesn't make 1080p look like even 1080p on a 4k screen. So if a video was made for only 1% or so of the audience (Home-theater owners) why not spell that out?! The confusion is deliberate, it doesn't pay to provide perspective.
Yoo thank you! I kept going back and forth but now settled on 75 inches. Space is limited and I thought I'd be putting ppl too close but naw, they're going to be immersed whether they like it or not 😁
I remember sitting 20 feet away from our 27" Zenith crt TV watching Dynasty and Dallas in the 80s.
Me too, but these new "screen size to viewing distance" recommendations are only for 4K HDR TVs and projection systems. ALL professional TV reviewers, including CNET and Consumer Reports agree on these exact viewing distances that Phil Holland is also recommending. Phil Holland was very nice to also include several viewing distance choices for each screen size.
Holy crap, we had a 27" console TV sitting on the floor. I had to try to see around furniture and tables to watch the gol dang TV!
And you moved in closer when Debbie entered the chat
What a fun and interesting video. I love my 65 inch A95K. I sit approximately 6-7 feet away and it feels very immersive to me without having to turn my head at all!
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Actually that's a bit far away.
Unless you have a dedicated media/TV room, you will likely have your TV in your living room. So the issue isn't just the seating distance to the TV. Rather, it is whether you want a large TV to dominate the decor. Even if it is displaying "art" or is somewhat hidden by a variety of methods, it may still be considered by some to be unsightly.
Exactly
@@paulc5389 Agreed. But some don't consider a TV to be all that important and worth of so much real estate in their home given the amount of use. And they are still unsightly.
@@tundrusphoto4312I'm pretty sure those people still look at the tv more than they look at the fireplace.
perhaps so if you have it on a unit or hanging on wall. I have a 77 in a small room but now have a media wall so it sits flush. the wife loves it.
For once I’m actually not going to agree with this video. I can understand the logic with using a standard mathematical equation to find the “preferred” seating distance. Yet everyone has different vision acuity, preferences on seating position,limited tv placement in living rooms, on and on. Not to mention “how” they prefer to watch movies? Some people love having to turn their heads left to right to watch areas on big screens. Others like to sit back and being able to see content out of their peripheral vision. What I have noticed is the influencer push to buy 77” tvs and bigger. They won’t even discuss below 77” any longer. Just my opinion. Not negative or positive.
Yea it's like owning anything less than 77" makes you a low end consumer of the spectrum, I've noticed this development on UA-cam as well. People are pushing 100 and more nowadays and wanting that Cinematic experience, it's getting wild and out of hand. Not everyone is living in a stadium arena.
I don’t think there is any conspiracy behind the larger size talk guys. These influencers are enthusiasts, of course they like bigger tvs.
You're wrong. Stop trying to sound smart on the internet
I agree completely. When I’m in my living room, I don’t want to feel like I’m being assaulted by a giant screen. I sit like 7-8 feet from my 55”. Is it completely immersive? No. Is it comfortable? Yeah.
Also, I have astigmatism. Things get a lot harder on my eyes the closer they are.
Totally agree, I have a 65" and sit 6.5ft away and it's too big, it's the motion that gets me. I will be downgrading to a 55" next year and putting the 65" downstairs in a much larger room
I have an LG 55 C3 sitting 8ft away and it's fine for me. I guess I could go bigger but honestly, didn't feel necessary this is already a massive upgrade from a 10 yo Samsung LCD 1080p and the 55 seemed massive at first. I guess if I wanted to have things take up my entire peripheral vision I'd watch closer or go bigger for the screen
Normally I sit 6-6.5ft away from my 65" OLED. Funny enough when I sat that close to a very well received 65" mini-led it gave me motion sickness, whether all the motion settings were on or off. My parents inherited that one and they love it.
I have a 65" OLED in my bedroom. Its about 6.5ft away from my bed when I lay down and watch TV. I'm thinking of upgrading my TV this year. Would a 77" be too big?
The basis of this sitting distance is viewing 4K content. Unfortunately this isn't real life as most people on the regular basis are watching SDR content probably 95% of the time. Realistically this moves the sitting distance back some to deal with the lower resolution content.
You mean hd? Sdr is standard dynamic range
You can be watching 4K/UHD content in SDR or HDR, first one is resolution, 2nd one is the video format, they are not mutually exclusive.
It’s not realistic for most people to sit 6 feet in front of a 77 inch tv unless it’s always just one person using the tv. Anyone sitting on the sides of a couch would have a terrible viewing angle at that distance.
I'm currently sitting 8 feet away from an 83" TV. It's on an entertainment center that puts the TV a little higher than it should be so I feel I have to sit back a little to see the whole screen comfortably. Once I finish my basement and mount it on the wall in the exact right spot I'll sit a bit closer.
Those are my exact measurements except that I have not unpacked my new TV yet 😀👍
I put felt on the feet of my couch. I can slide it back and forth as needed.
I'm exactly 10 ft back from a 77-in LG C2. No complaints. If I move my sofa any closer it would make the room look stupid because there be way too much open area with the couch crammed to the end to get close enough to the TV.
His point is, if you don't want the room to look ridiculous because of having the empty space resulting from moving the sofa closer, get a ridiculously big TV. 'Creator's Intent'... 'Content is Changing'. Apparently, broadcast 1080i/720p will now look as good as 4k on these new TVs😂
You need to change your idiotic belief of how it looks and actually sit closer for home theater reasons.
Looks do not matter
I don't agree with sitting closer and "creator intent". I want to see the entire image without shifting my eyeballs up down left right let alone moving my head - which is what would happen if you sit as close as they suggest. If i venture out to a commercial cinema, often choose to sit in the 13th row based upon walking up to the screen and sizing up the look of the screen as i get closer.
Of course, you don't "see" entire image because your eye's focus is extremely narrow. However far away you sit from a TV, you still can't read what says in the news ticker or station logo while looking at the center of the screen, you need to shift focus. When the screen is big in your field of view, you can still see the whole image with your peripheral vision because your field of view is 180 degrees.
Just saying.
Sound is most important for me and I don't allow anything to hinder the sound for so I have the TV on the wall and I sit where I get the best sound.
I personally enjoy SMPTE viewing standard which is 30 degrees, especially for everyday viewing.... my issue with THX distance is I feel like I need to keep moving my eyes to see everything on screen, especially when laying down. And let's be honest, watching something like Seinfeld on a super massive screen that fully immerses you is just weird.
Human eye FOV without turn head is about 60 degree horizontal which translate to viewing distance equal to 87% of display width.
For me it depends on the content and whether it’s 16x9 or 21x9.
I put heavy duty furniture sliders under my couch so I can move it closer or farther easily depending on the content. I don’t always do this, only when I’m in the mood.
So I sit about 9 feet from my 77 oled, but will move to 6 feet on certain occasions.
Now when it comes to gaming it’s a different story. I would never sit 6 feet away. Playing FPS type games I feel like being too close or the screen being too big is a detriment to playing my best.
Right now I sit 8 feet away from my 50" plasma, but I have an unpacked 83" LG OLED waiting for help in the hallway. I believe I will operate they way you do. I also plan to buy one of the next generation projectors (hopefully) next year paired with at least an 120" 2.35:1 up or down rollable ATS. Gaming on TV and movies with projector. TV-series and sports on any. That´s my plan at least 🙂
@@Jojken nice! You’re gonna love the oled. I had 65 Panasonic plasma for many years. Great tv, but I personally like the oleds much more.
And yeah I plan on getting a projector setup again. They’ve really come a long way and are more affordable now than ever.
Whenever i watch interstellar on my 75" sony z9f i sit like 3.5' away i love it! In the morning my 98" tcl would be arriving I'll keep you posted 😊
We had a 21" set when I was growing up. Mama always said sit 10' away from the TV or you'll burn your eyes out!
Always felt I could sit closer than 40° and after hearing this I'm so relieved I won't have to push my couch back when I upgrade to bigger tv size.
Recently upgraded my cx 55 to a c3 77 with a 6 foot viewing distance and it honestly feels too large for such a small space snd close distance. Oled already shows any imperfections with content and being so large and close just makes it worse.
I have an 83" TV, just moved my sofa from 8 feet away to 7 and it's made a positive difference. Watching a clip of the Cuba shootout scene in James Bond No Time To Die felt more immersive and intense.
Loaded up Cyberpunk 2077, and while I do have to move my eyes (not head) if I want to see a UI element in a corner, it's worth it for the immersion. I don't play multiplayer FPS so it's good for me.
I feel that bigger TV (viewing angle 40°+) are super amazing, but I get tired after 30 minute into the movie. I like between 30° & 40° viewing angle, I can comfortably watch anything as much as I want.
I'm just going to say this - 85 inch TV from 6 feet away is 54.4 degree FOV. If we were not human, it's perfect but for humans our focal FOV (the one that matters) is limited to 20 degrees and we're essentially just zooming the image in.
Is it better to see 50% of the image at twice the size as opposed to the entire image? If there are 2 people on screen you can't see both of them - you will have to choose who you want to look at.
Now if you want the extra immersion GoVee or Philips Hue will do that and you don't have to look at it as it's not real content - it'll just fill your peripheral vision with the extra stuff like the 85 inch will.
I guess it's a matter of preference - if you want blown-up less detailed content, then a larger TV might be the better solution. If you want detail and want to see everything, then a smaller TV is better.
The Phil Holland recommendations are just silly, as you point out not all of our vision is actually being processed at the same level, even 6.5 feet from a 75" is too much imo, a 65" is the perfect size for 6" viewing distance. I'm a TV salesman so I have vested interest in selling people bigger and bigger TVs if they want them but I wouldn't recommend silly distances like this, many would bring it back saying its far too large.
This smacks of people with a vested interest in calibrating your new TV trying to get you to buy a bigger TV than is necessary for the space. If I upgraded to an 85" I would definitely rearrange the room and put it on the wall just to get the maximum distance it could be from my main viewing position, ie 10.5 feet.
I’m about 13.5 feet away from a 75in .. there’s times where I feel I should’ve gottena 85, but not my budget couldn’t stretch that far.. overall I’m happy nonetheless..
Sit closer then. It's free and easy. You must be ignorant not to take this option seriously
But sitting that close to the TV means giving up on your home theater system or any audio experience that requires optimal speaker placement. I mean, do you really want your center speaker firing sound at your crotch from 6 feet away?
My speakers are like 3 to 4 feet away in optimal locations and it's bloody fantastic.
You seem to be over concerned
I agree. Those following this advice either have their TVs way too high or don't have any sort of speaker setup that they care about.
If you go greater than a 50 degree viewing angle for a TV, you struggle with front left and right speaker placement since they'll be far too wide if you want them at ear level. Center channels, you can compromise a bit having them below the screen, but hopefully not much below, and then angled upwards at your ear.
The only way these larger viewing angles are possible for good speaker placement is from an acoustically transparent screen paired with a projector.
I'm 10' away from a 121" 16:9 projector screen (not acoustically transparent), and this gives me ~47 degree viewing angle. If I went any larger/wider of a screen without acoustically transparent would make the fronts far too wide (and push the center too low) unless I went with a scope aspect ratio screen.
@@HTadd1ct It must be a terrible setup by the sound of it
I measured it once but I think I'm about 7 feet away from my 75 8k Z9K and it seems fine to me. I grew up watching 23 inch Zenith crt SD sets so when I got a 27 Panasonic GAO SD set in the early 90s it seemed huge, then I upgraded to a Toshiba 34HFX84 16x9 crt set it looked awesome in 2005. It still worked in 2019 when I finally gave it away after having several led sets and 4k sets from 55 to 75 with the Sony. Been playing the TV game since you could still find color TVs with round tubes that worked cheap.
Cool. We had a 16" B&W CRT in the kitchen when I grew up in the 80:s. Myself, I had a 20" Grundig in my room that got upgraded to a 25" Luxor in my teenage years. I kept it for a long time and bought an Epson PJ 2008 and not until 2013 I ditched the crt for a 50" Panasonic plasma. Not until this very week in 2024 I upgraded to an 83" LG OLED C3. I hope to finally upgrade my projector next year as I am waiting for the next generation of Epson which I hope will have both VRR and 3D and perhaps also Dolby Vision 🙂
I have a 77” LG G3 in my bedroom. My recliner is 6’ away from the tv and my bed (roughly, 8.6’ away from the tv. The other night I put on the Turbine 4K disc of The Frighteners on my Panny UB820. The reviews of the disc come in very positive for PQ, but from my recliner the PQ viewing was pretty messy with grain looking distracting among other complaints. But, from my bed 2 or so feet further away, the image cleared up and took on a whole other better dimension PQ wise and consistent with the reviews.
My point is: 6” away is immersive but can mess with PQ (sometimes, doesn’t happen all the time).
I mostly game on my TV and I get nauseous if I sit that close for most action games. They need a motion sickness factor in their equation 😅
I’ve been messing around with this viewing angle thing lately, I sit at about a 45° angle now from an 83 inch (6.5 feet)I tried the 58° angle (5.5 feet) and while it’s good for movies I definitely started feeling nauseous playing Halo… so I agree what’s good for one type of content doesn’t necessarily work for gaming unfortunately
Thanks for this video and for a tool to void my precautions. I currently have 55 inch C1 and thinking about upgrading to 77 G4, but I was pretty scared of it being too big for my space (my couch is 2.85m away from tv). It seems like I can go even bigger than I thought. THough 83 inch g4 is too pricy and I can't justify the bump up in price. So 77 it is! I hope it gets released soon here.
Global release was supposed to be on 11th of march (which is today), but it seems like Ukraine still has no mentions of it being released.
get the mini led lg qned90t 86inch . its best for big space
I believe I sit the right distance for each of the various size TVS that I own. 55inch to 75inch. 😊
Thank you for this most important presentation on the new and correct recommended viewing distances from your TV! Also glad you referenced our great friend Phil Holland, who is one of Hollywood's top professional cinematographers. Phil mostly films in native 8K HDR and is on our panel of expert judges at our annual TV Shootout Evaluation event.
The trend from all TV manufacturers is better processing, better panels and larger screen sizes, and the consumers are loving these new larger premium video displays and sitting closer than they did with the older TVs.
thanks for inviting Phil Holland! he literally opened our eyes to what true immersiveness can be
Sit where you want to sit. You don't need a chart to tell you where to sit. sit close or far away from the display, either way you will enjoy your film....
@@michael-4k4000 All true, but their is several advantages to follow the sitting distance recommendations to get the most enjoyment and immersive experiences.
@@michael-4k4000 you wont enjoy it if you're getting a mobile phone experience vs one that fills more of your vision. the chart tells you how much of a tv fills your vision at a distance. that's why charts exist. its not a blind sit anywhere you feel like it and get the same results anywhere.
people like you are quite oblivious to these things.
@@HTadd1ct u got me I've never heard of seating distance charts, the mathematics of a chart of that magnitude is off the charts....
I don't think mounting height is easy with these large TVs cuz you are supposed to have the centre be at eye level. You have to mount it low, and soundbar even lower.
You shouldn't be using a sound bar if you're looking at large TVs, you should have at least have a 2.1 system
My teenage daughter looking at a movie on her phone.
Me: We have two large screen TV's with surround sound.
Daughter: I'm good.
Maybe we need to have the ability to adjust the content angle for this to work for all the different sizes and distances.
Like if I am sitting very close, I could zoom-out the content to Ultra wide angle.
And if I am sitting far away, I should be able to zoom into the content to change the proportions and coverage area.
65 inch 6 feet, movie with bars, perfect
65 inch 6 feet movie no bars: shit this is to cloose
Try 65 inches at 4.6 feet😊
Instead of spending thousands on an 85” tv I have a helmet that holds my 6.1” iPhone 2” from my face. It’s like having an IMAX theatre in the house!
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6 feet from 75+ inch - really? Typical 4K material starts to degrade at this distance - add 2 feet at it looks stunning. I frankly don't understand all this "Sit 3 feet away from 120-inch screen from IMAX-ULTRA-X Experience" or you people just don't have 20/20 vision. lol
Human eye resolution is about 0.017 degree. So 6 feet from 75inch is 48.8 degree FOV which translate to 48.8/0.017=2870 pixel. Far from 4K. The degrade you talking about is the limitation of the source bitrate not 4k. Try blu-ray.
It really depends what you're watching. If watching casually, like UA-cam, comedy, most series, I think 25 degrees is fine. 40 would be too much for casual viewing. However, for a nice movie in high bitrate 4K 40 degrees is great. Personally I wouldn't go beyond 40 though, you'd miss out on too much of the peripheral stuff.
My solution is a long heavy duty wall mount arm that extends about three feet or 1m. For example, having your couch is 11ft/3.3m away from a 77" TV for casual viewing, will become 8ft/2.4m away when extended for the cinematic experience.
55 inch A95K from about 2 meters (78.7402 iches ;) and to be honest it makes me cry how good it is ;) ... that XR magic make it really worth it .. And i would even recomend a 40+ inch
7.5 - 8 feet is perfectly immersive for 77", some here really need to check what they are posting and weither that would be a healthy thing for their (likely already damaged) eye sight.
I am watching this video on a 100" U8K from 6 feet.. for 65 degree fov IMAX immersion.
It all depends on what kind of content you are watching. Sit closer or get a bigger TV if you are gaming or watching 4k movies. Sit farther away when watching normal content like news, weather, sports, and Gilligans Island. Also remember, smaller TVs always have MUCH better picture quality than smaller TVs because of screen distortion. It all comes down to personal preference! EAZZY PEEZY. Great review.
Might be useful for a dedicated home theatre setup. Rtings has a better page for lounge room TV, at least for me. I could get a 65" screen which would be great for a lot of stuff but for 16:9 content it would be too big.
With my setup my eyes are dead centre of the right half of the TV. No head tilt, I just let my eyes drift back to the centre of the screen.
I currently went from a 55 Hisense U8h sitting roughly 5-6 feet away and I thought it was a perfectly good distance to enjoy what I was watching. I now have a 75 Sony x90l and the furthest I can get is about 81/5-9 feet away. And I remember feeling overwhelmed with the size, I started to feel that I probably should have gone with the 65. But I told myself that I just need time to adjust to the size after going from a 55 to 75 is a pretty big jump. The brightness was crazy and at times i had to close my eyes with all the rich and bright colors jumping at me. It’s been roughly over two weeks and still feel like I could sit back about another foot or so just to get the better complete picture of everything going on around the screen. I don’t like having to be eye jumping all over the place to keep up with all the action scenes or if there is screen shot of a beautiful scenery, I want to be able to take it all in at once rather than having to be gliding side to side and up and down to take in the scene. Some people might enjoy that but I like to see it all in one shot and enjoy it that way. So 3-5 feet sitting for a 75 tv sounds ridiculous. No way, that’s just doing too much, I don’t care what these guys are saying. Although I am glad I went with the 75 over the 65, I already feel like the 65 would have been too small now that I’m adjusting to 75. Heck, I just may go to an 83 for a master class tv next.
6ft distance and 42" from floor to the center of the screen sitting on a standard 20" chair or couch ! The biggest culprit is the vast majority people have their screens too high from their sitting height.
What I have found 3rd person games are great at 4k really close, but movies are not good that close.
This was a very interesting video! Have just moved to a new house and have unfortunately a small room and have 2.1m from eyes to display distance. Currently on a 65", but was thinking of 85". Thought it was going to be too big, but turns out it would be the perfect size!
YES you'll love the wider viewing angle for sure and will not go back
@@stopthefomo Thank you for your opinion! Sounds great! Now, I wonder if I should go 98"....I think my speakers on the side be in front of the screen, though!
@@MadViking82 yeah go with 98 in and 2.1 m will be to close. 1 m - ok
Lol TVs are never bright enough and now we’re not sitting close enough 🤣🤣
I observed that the image is identical on a 55-inch full HD television or on a 4k television regardless of its sources: 720p, 1080p or even 4k. So, a 55-inch full HD screen is quite sufficient. Besides, I noticed a 60-inch full HD screen is borderline too large for this content. Therefore, a 65-inch screen is probably ideal for watching 4k content to better appreciate the details. But on the other hand, it's true, watching 720p or 1080p content on a 65-inch screen is less good.
I just bought a 85 inch sony. While waiting i was worried that it was going to be too big. I have 16 feet from the sofa to the tv. After setting up the tv and living with it for a couple weeks i could have went larger. Had too move yhe sofas closer 😊
Lol. You can easily go 140 inches plus.😅
I got myself a Sony 85” as well I’m exactly 8 Feet away its perfect in my opinion
But this seems only to work for best quality 4k films, no streaming-content. We need the resize-feature.
I was going down the comments to see content related - yours was first kind of , maybe others below, you wouldn't watch the news in your face
Distance its also about content and aspect ratio.
I am at 10 feet and I have a 65 inches TV and a projector who gives me 95 inches... movies with 2:35 aspect ratio sucks in my TV but looks great in my projector. but 16:9 beggins to be to much in the projector (and really crap with subtitles, even if you can put it small).
Also movies with bad editing and shacky cameras are really annoying to see at 95 inches..
And for example with game of thrones (16:9) I put the projector at 80 inches size...
In the video the TV is showing a landscape and be inmersed there can be cool, but watch Succession is unnecesary and watch "Taken 3" it's a pain.
For gaming you don't want to sit too close or you will have to move your head too much to see all corners of the screen, especially in competitive online games.
I think the distances Phil Holland is suggesting here are borderline stupid, I game a lot on my 65" (sitting at just over 6ft) so I understand what you mean, but even with passive watching I wouldn't want to be any closer than I already am, If I sit forward even 1 foot it feels to close and I have to move my head to see things on the far sides/corners.
@@Kuranghi Agreed. I personally prefer not having to move my eyes too far from the center of the screen, a quick glance should be enough to see anything going in an action packed scene. Moving my neck/head constantly is too annoying and gets me killed in online FPS. For slow stuff I guess being closer for immersion is fine, but at that point might as well use VR lol
@@Roe777 I play only singleplayer games and a lot of them are games with no combat and little to no time pressure for doing actions... even in these games I find moving my head around tiring.
Also a lot of these games are running at 30fps and even though its an LCD with a slow response time I get eye fatigue in the dark, if I was on an OLED with the stutter it has without motion interpolation, it would be awful imo.
I play games for immersion and entertainment, not for competition.
@@Kuranghi I don't know how you guys do it. I have a 55 inch from 11 ft and I'm still deciding whether to go to 65 inch as I don't want any eye movement at all. If I had to move my head, then I'd pay $10,000 for a smaller TV than a larger one where I have to move my head even if it was MicroLed and free.
Well I sit 10 ft away from my 100 inch projector screen and it's absolutely fine totally immersed but I believe you cant just sit 3-4 ft away from TV screen it ll be weird so buy a large screen TV instead 65+ inch or so and sit 8 - 12 ft away depending on screen size. You need this gap to not feel suffocated have some space for breathing 😅
That's my problem...I love the immersion of sitting 3 ft away from my 65inch Samsung but feel a bit cluttered at the same time. Maybe I'll get a chair I can easily pull up close to the TV for watching movies and put it back after the movie...that might work.
My home theater is in my living room so I'd rather be relaxed and not super close, while giving plenty of others good seats around the space to watch, and not making my living room feel cramped. My 77 inch seems plenty large even from the kitchen though. I'd have to measure but I think my actual seat is like 8-10 feet from the TV. I hate being too close and having to track things with my eyes. It also seems to lead to eyestrain over time. No way I'll ever move my couch up, though I could see myself going to an 83 inch one day if I ever need to justify an upgrade ha.
interesting. I am 9' away from a 65". I 'd be 13' if I mounted it on wall instead of the tv cabinet floating 3.5' from back wall. I wanted to go 77" and wall mount. This says I need a 85"+ Sounds great but 85" OLED costs too much. guess I go 77" and keep it floating. Still not close enough but it's all I can do.
Maybe I need a 43" OLED for a monitor?
I have an infinity screen that gives me 360 viewing angles - nothing compares to it!
This is valid for newer tvs, with smaller leds(mini led/oled), in my 400€ LG entry level LED from 4 years ago, if I sit closer, It all becomes squares.
I agree that 60° is good for high quality 4k and above content but not everything we are watching is that high res just yet. 45°-50° seems like a good compromise for now
I lie on my bed 2 meters away from my cheap 43 inch TV. I didn't have money for a bigger one. Is there something that let's the screen point down to you?
Yes. A stand can be adj in the up and down direction, but is usually only coming with a monitor, though. I have an adj TV mount connected to the wall with a VESA mount. It naturally angles down, due to the weight of the TV. Most TV mounts have that adj but not all, so you have to pay attention to it's description online or see it in person.
@@frommatorav1 thanks
This info is not real-world at all. Most people don’t have huge empty walls to put a 95 inch screen against. Most people don’t have the option of moving beds or couches at will to get a “perfect viewing distance” from the screen.
Here's the reality of it. People do have the choice but refuse to try.
Really I always thought you should be eye level with the top of the screen. That's at least for monitors
THX has been saying this for years. I have a Samsung 65 inch 4K TV and if I pull my seat up to about 2 or three feet away I'm totally immersed...I feel like I'm no longer watching a movie but have become a part of the movie...I'm in the picture and part of what's going on...I feel like I'm actually there in the picture.
Need to share this vid with my wife.. as i want the QN95D in 85 inch and she things 75 inch is already to big.
My current 55 inch sits at 11.23 inch from our couch and the wall is 12.48 inch away all measured from a seated position on our couch..
Isn't there more to it than that? Sitting close to match the field of view of a movie theater is not exactly apples to apples in your home. Your eyes are harder to focus on something close than it is to do on something larger but farther away.
Also TVs are brighter these days so you have to take that intense brightness into consideration.
For movies and gaming inmersion rules!! But for normal content like UA-cam, news, normal series... I don’t like immersion/big tv's. Too... immersive/intense.
My solution? Wall mount with extandable arm for movies and gaming!
Not for your average day to day user. This is only for those with a cinema room or with lights off.
Maybe for movies, but for gaming that's too big, unless maybe for good graphics rpgs that focus on immersion. Also way too big for SDR or full HD so regular TV will look bad and sports are rarely in 4k.
@stopthefomo how about tv mounting height? I’m getting a 77’ LG G4, need some advise for the mounting height. Thank you 🙏🏼
Why is the tools different for metric vs imperial but converted at the same number?
depends how dominated you want you and any of your guests or partners to be... sure, "immersive" if you're curled up alone or with a couple other people who WANT to be dominated by a giant screen, for a "cinematic" experience. Right now I'm rocking a 55" lg c2 and my eyes are about 9' away. 65 I suppose might be better, but really I'm quite satisfied for now. I don't want to be controlled by my television... quite the contrary.
Am 7.4 feet away from my 83". my mother in law don't like it.
I told her because she's used to squinting at small TV screens. Now she complains that News anchors look uglier than she thought. LOL
You're way too far - change that to 4.7. The test is not to be able to see the edge of the screen.
@@techsamurai11 you guys are insane 🤣
I would love to put is closer. But movie night makes it tough when you have 5 ppl on a bigass sectional. I will probably move it to 6.5 or go to a 87in when I upgrade in a yr or two.@@techsamurai11
@@DeesBees85I was kidding 🤣
I'm about 6.5 feet away from a 65" it feels fine. I could move up another foot or so. but then my footstool and recliner leaning back is hitting the TV stand so that is the physical limit I can sit close.
That said I am planning on getting a 75" and hopefully an 85". And 5.5-6 feet away from an 85" should be pretty immersive. Should be like having a movie theater screen size almost.
I'm sitting 78'' from a 77'' and it's already almost exactly like watching one of the smaller screens at the theater with full screen content. Not quite as much with letterboxed stuff, but it's still damn immersive. Moving up to an 83'' might make letterboxed films perfect, but then it would make full screen and especially gaming worse. Plus, streaming content would look even worse than it already does. Each time I try moving up a foot just to see, the FOV just gets ruined. The recommended viewing distances in that demo in the above video are just laughable. Unless all you do is watch UHD demo material, much of what you're watching will look awful that close.
@@NeonmirrorblackFPS gaming is the only problem. Sony had/have a solution but I don't if it was ever implemented. In their game bar they had an option to make the screen smaller on a large screen. Like make it a 65" in the middle of an 85" by making black bars around sides and top. That seems like a potential solution to that problem.
@@loki76 There are more action games than just first-person shooters, sorry. And reducing the overall size of aspect ratio is not a solution. You don't play on a larger screen just to make it smaller so you can see. It also makes it look worse overall since you're adding letterboxing.
I sit 5 1/2 feet from my 55" and it feels perfect. Any closer and it would just make 1080p content unwatchable.
Not sure if anyone is still reading this, but my concern is that with a VA panel, the viewing angle, even for a single person, gets too high at the edges.
The 85" or bigger may be nice for the 3 people sitting on the couch, but then the 4 people sitting on each side where the love seats are closer to tv will be overwhelmed.
So out of consideration for my guest I went smaller screen and best quality within my budget. But yeah that 85+ inch would be cool.
@FOMO , Under your TV deals the Hisense 100” links to a 65” LG G3. FYI
ROFL CORRECTED, thanks man!
Whats the immersive seating distance from a 82'? I'm currently at 7 feet 7 inches from my eyes
Subtitles change everything. Can't get too close.
The problem is the industry won't adhere to a standard aspect ratio and it's the primary reason why our significant others baulk at larger televisions.
If your significant other baulks at you getting a large TV, I promise he or she doesn’t know what aspect ratio is.
It's really content related . Movie night , bring your seats closer , news , back is 100% preferred , sitcoms back as well , are you really going to be that focused for some re-run of TV shows . Plus if I am engrossed in a movie the TV is all my brain "let's me see" . Watching a nature doco in HDR sit closer , watching a WW2 docu sit back . This guy is referring specifically to cinema like releases , not everything. Same for sport , back a bit so can chat with mates watching in downtime
I don't have mates because a friend of mine had a female mate and watched netflix with her and now he pays child support.
Ok, so I currently have a 50-inch TV, but I'm gonna be grabbing myself a 55-inch LG C3 In the near future. What exactly is the recommended seating distance??? Sorry, I'm not very good with the numbers given in the video. 😅
7'5" (89") 2.27 meters (227 cm) feet for 30 degree viewing angle.
4'3" (51") 1.31 meters (131 cm) for 50 degrees viewing angle.
I’m 10 ft from my 65” and will upgrade to 83” next year. Feel no need to sit closer to feel immersed in a movie 🤷♂️
Try 133 inches instead. Way way better than a 83 inch
@@HTadd1ctI’d recommend 200 inches like mine, way better than 133.
@@stevieh771My 597 inch tv is way way way better than 200 inches
@@stevieh771 Or 300 inches like my. But 10 ft can be too close. 11 ft - ok
This is a funny video to me because I pretty much only use my TV for gaming, I have a 77" C3.. and I sit or stand even.. directly in front of it.. inches away.. it feels like I'm right there in the world of the games I play
Who paid for that tool?
….The TV industry…why?
…because we’ve sold soo many great TV’s in the last 2 years, consumers have no reason to buy a new one.
…until you make them feel their set is small.
…picking with the male ego to sell TV’s is pitiful.
I've been sitting six and a half feet away from my TVs since moving into my current place. First it was a 1080p 42'', then a 55'' OLED, then a 65'' OLED, now a 77'' OLED. Going from 55'' to 65'' made the screen seem "too large" initially, especially for gaming, but took about a week to adjust to (and I couldn't go back to a lower screen size after that), and a similar thing happened with the 77''. Sitting any closer would be too large for full screen shows/movies, but probably perfect for anything letterbox. It's just about perfect for letterbox at six and a half now anyway though. 🤷♂
Sorry, but 3-5 feet for a 75''? That's way too close and streaming content looks like hot garbage at that distance. Most people view a mix of content, they don't just watch UHD demo material. It's also terrible for gaming because you're constantly having to scan the screen way too much.
I prefer 55-60 degrees viewing angle. Big screens allow me to sit farther away to reduce eye strain.
Which size and distance? 🙂
@@Jojken 42in, 20 something inches. My distance is governed by viewing angle regardless of size of TV.
Also where is the link to Phil’s longer video? There is no box to click on above the green arrow. Even looked on my phone as my normal YT view long in done on the living room tv
here it is ua-cam.com/users/liveEZsPVNPPtfE?si=E8MJFAqMbs60SYFq&t=410
Is there any consensus of the ‘best’ 80+” tvs right now for larger rooms with longer viewing distance?
Depends on your budget but the best value is the TCL QM7
You did a great review of the TCL!
In the 80” range I’m looking at G4 or Bravia 9
Budget is 5-10k CAD$
the Hisense U88N 100” is one I’ve been debating for the better size to view distance ratio (about 9.5ft distance). Typically I’m an LG/Sony guy.
Wrestling with whether the larger size or higher quality will be more impactful.
I sit about 6 feet away from my 85” TV. I use it mostly for gaming and watching movies. I love the immersion that comes from sitting close enough to be like “wow” without being about to see the individual pixels.
Yes! That's what I'm talking about.
I just got a Sony x90l, and im trying to figure out if my firestick 4k max needs to go in one of the 2.1, 4k, 120hz hdmi ports. It looks like Firesticks only support 60hz, so im guessing it's fine in one of the other hdmi ports?? Is there any real benefit for my firestick in a 2.1 hdmi port??
No, 120Hz capability is for gaming where 120fps is native framerate of the (gaming)content. Your movies and series are 24 fps, maximum 60 fps at times. So, while there is no need for using 120Hz input, 120Hz panel surely helps remove pulldown judder from 24 fps sources since 24 fits evenly into 120 by way of 5:5 cadence i.e. each source frame is repeated 5 times on display with no need for (excessive) motion processing
ok but what a abut if the rom size is 15 by 12 foot then what is 77 ok
The 'Creator's Intent' is that you need 177" for that room size and you will still only be a getting a compromised experience because... 'Content is changing'🤣
Thanks
Got a update on my Samsung tv couple of days ago it says 2201 update don't know all the specs but I do notice better color fix but wish I new everything that update done
Im trying to decide between a c3 and g3. Main use will be gaming on my series x but also streaming watching bluray cable too. Is the g3 worth the extra?
Its worth it! Had the two and i choose the g3 . The higher peak Brightness is very noticable and a very relaxed abl and high APL scenes are brighter .
Yes, the G3 is worth the money. Great TV
Yes worth it
@@GamingTech-UA-cam the only downside for me is banding in some content its a bit worse than my previous g1
Been sitting 2 for 4 feet away from my 65. 2 if the content looks small, 4 if the content looks big.
The way I do it. No scanning head and can subs with high clarity.