MiniLED TV Not Better? Surprising Truth TCL QM8 vs Sony X90L
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
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0:00 Intro to miniLED TVs
3:21 Purpose of miniLED technology
6:31 Putting miniLED to the test
11:40 Starfield test on miniLED
13:22 Sports Watching QM8 vs X90L
14:12 Conclusion
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Big fan. Apologize for my early miss understanding. Forwardly u have my utter support :) 😊 thx for the great videos!
@stopthefomo So after watching this, what is the best Led TV made until today?
Where can I pick up a couple of those LG MICRO LED, the $90k ones, need at least two!
X90l or X95L?
what is better pc gaming tv with 3080 nvidia gpu?
Buy the Sony X90L, TCL QM8 or upgrade to OLED? TV Deals on X90L howl.me/ckk4gEOpAPS QM8 howl.me/ckk4hpJxg5x S90C howl.me/ckk4kqCywnF
Thanks for explaining the differences
Love my A95K. But for value buyers, can't beat S90C
Great video, I thought you explained the misconception of Mini LED always being better than regular FALD TVs quite well, I saw this first hand when the QN90A and Q90T were placed next to each other the Q90T showed more detail and slightly more blooming but the QN90A crushed details to hide blooming and get closer to acting like an OLED in most scenes I thought the Q90T held up better because important details got lost on the QN90A. Also its more about the algorithm than the the amount of zones and you covered that very well.
Q90T was d BEST. Its like ART. QN90A was nice tho. I did NOT have issue with it when I saw in store. Maybe u could try to tweak it.
Seeing something in store is never accurate!!!
I saw Hisense U8G 65” beside QN90A, LG CX, SONY A90J….the CX A90J looked AWEFUL AWEFUL AWEFUL, but Hisense LOOKED WORSE--at fisrt. I had to hunt down the employee to ask him to change to --STandard mode. He had on --Energy Saving mode. N back light on 💯, black level(brightness) set to 50%.
And then i found d Samsung QN90A. I moved around its setting, it looked Great.
N d doughy guy in store they were --really agreesive so bitchy that I went straight asking for U8G n QN90A. He kept berating the technology n brand, n kept trying to pulllme to look at OLED, n LG QNED. Ughhhhhh. 😮
U might want to re visit the store, get remotes first. Cuz they really are trying to promote LG QNED(cuz they a re not selling). N some other OLED (they get much higher commission).
I agree KG with you 😊
Wow, Fomo!! Excellent video - I learned so much! You made it so easy to see and understand. Thank you!
THANK YOU for watching!
If TV manufacturers were serious about producing LCD TVs that catch up with OLED displays, they would be implementing and improving the "Dual Cell" technology that Hisense introduced in 2021. In the Hisense U9DG Dual Cell TV, a 1080p black and white panel was placed behind the 4K RGB panel. This functionally provided the TV with over 2 MILLION "local dimming zones", and as the tests in the RTINGS review demonstrated, the results were spectacular. The Dual Cell TV nearly equaled OLED displays in Contrast, Black Uniformity, Blooming, and Wide Viewing Angle. The Dual Cell TV was discontinued (probably because it cost more than other Hisense models) but this LCD technology has the potential to be a highly competitive rival to OLED TVs.
Maybe because if they gave it their all they would run out of things to improve upon.
Great breakdown FOMO. Can’t wait for the Sharp review 😁
I just bought the Sony X90L and am waiting for delivery. This is a great video with the visuals and explaining the differences. Thanks for putting me at ease. I really had FOMO on the Mini LED.
is there any ghosting or blur when panning the camera in games?
QUESTION: There is a a comparison between the Hisense UK7 model vs the Sony X90L online. In this comparison, there is a Starfield test. The UK7 model does not suffer from the "Too Black" problems the TCL QM8 suffers from in the FOMO video. In fact, the U7K actually has superior blacks that are deeper than the Sony X90L while simultaneously displaying more of the white stars - similar to the way an OLED is superior to the X90L. Can you confirm this, Fomo in the specific test you show here at the end of your video?
As owner of Sony X900h ("55" 2020) 4k 120Hz model (FALD).. which costs $1200 back in early 2021
I can say Sony TVs are superior overall, especially for 90 series & above..
But their price is outragoues.. X90L (65 in) is $1800 in middle east, while TCL 745C (65 in) is like $900
Videos always show cheap U.S prices.. while Euro, Asia, Africa..etc have always have higher prices for Sony
I don't care what Sony could bring to the table as long their prcices are 2x, I won't buy from them again
Yes !!!
I’m thinking about buying the Sony 65” x93L but I don’t want to wait until Black Friday. Do you think it’s going to be lower than the $1799 they have on sale for now?
@stopthefomo is this the calibrated QM8 versus the uncalibrated X90L?
Great information. I’m curious if you have any hands on experience with the TCL Q6 and Q7. A lot of people saying the 5 and 6 series are better because of things like miniLED, is this the same situation where the Q6 and Q7 are doing more with less?
You forgot to consider the Sony processing in this equation.
Hi Fomo, should I go to mini LED Sony 83X90L price at $1,999 or LG OLED 77 B3 at $1,799 ? what is your opinion?
Thank you.
@stopthefomo Will you be getting your hands on the Hisense UX as well?
QUESTION FOR FOMO: Does the Hisense U8K successfully achieve the three criteria you describe at the end of the video? I'm talking about the 75" IPS version of the U8K, not the 65" VA version of the U8K.
Excellent topic and well covered too, X90L is the best Sony FALD since their mighty 2017 line up (x900e and x93e)
Thank you my friend for all the help/ reviews I decide to buy the tcl 85" qm8. And I wanted to ask you about that elusive 600x600 full motion wall mount that I can't seem to find anywhere. I found one review saying a PERLESMITH Full Motion TV Wall Mount for 50-95 800x600 could work. If so how do you feel about this wall mount?
should of bought smaller tv 85 inch tvs ae garrish ugly
Awesome Review my Fomo friend 🤙🏼✊🏼👌🏼
FOMO, can you do another video with the U8K thrown in? Great video. thanks!
Brian (techtherapy) will be doing that video!
What a fantastic video. Its very easy to understand and very well produced.
Anyway, this and a couple of other videos saying similar things is why the 98" X90L is in my top 3 TVs Im considering, along with the 85" X95l and the 85" Hisense UX which I hope you'll test.
So putting price aside, if you were buying a TV for a room with a lot of ambient light (large windows), but no direct sun, would you be more excited to get the 98" x90 because its more than good enough and you get that unbelievable size, or would you want to close the gap even more with the superior, but smaller sized 85" x95l? 🙂
are oleds still crushing darker details? been a few years since I've checked what's new
U can get the same or similar black levels on the Sony if u don't mind losing a Little bit of detail like the TCL if u just set the local dimming to high because it default at medium
I have a 85" X90CK, could not be happier. Will use the $2K saved from the X95L to purchase room darkening shades for the window to allow the theater experience during the day.
I have a broken Z9D i am looking to replace. How does the X90L local contrast compare to the Z9D? I know the Z9D has about 500 more zones, but I'm wondering if the X90L has a better algorithm.
Im looking to go to an 85 inch from my 65 inch Z9D. I'd love the X95L, but that is a bit more than I want to spend right now. I've been trying to decide between X90L or QM8. Mainly for used with gaming on PS5 and watching 4K blu-ray movies.
for 85 inch Sony X77L and samsung Cu8000 , which one would you recommended for setting up home theatre ? the 85 inch CU8000 has 120hz native refresh rate, VRR support and 4 2.1 HDMI port . also freesynce premium .. But I feel like Sony colour is more realistic to the eyes. but I think I would also try to game on the 85inch TV, which must be a whole new experiences due to size.
please advise
I’m in the market for an 85inch. Currently I own a 65” TCL 65R615 which is great! But I want something bigger and I’m considering the Sony X90L, TCL Q7, TCL QM8, Hisense U7K and Hisense U8K
I watch movies, tv shows, streaming like hulu, Netflix, HBO, etc and all sports every day and night. I do some gaming maybe once or twice a week. And I have some blue-Ray movies that are true 4k
Which should I go with?
Total Love the Explaining in this and the Images are great,,,, What you show us,,,,,,,,,, Can you do more of this on TV'S
That starfield test is very revealing. Glad I made the switch to oled years ago and haven’t looked back
Why did you not use the U8K (newest) 65 or better the 75 IPS/ADS Pro screen from Hisense instead of the u6h?
Watching this on my X90L, upgraded from TCL Q6. I mostly watching HD content. Sony new XR processor doing very good job especially at upscaling low resolution content. Its brigthness is sufficient in my living room. TCL may have better specs but Sony have better image processing algoritmh in their 2023 TV line up.
Why no any test about miniled Panasonic MX950 ? Nobody did It .. For which reason? Thanks ..
How does the u8k hold up to the starfield test?
did TCL improve the software? also what about the risk of some of LEDs going bad in 1000 mini led TVs?
Samsung QN90C or Sony X93L. Which one would you recommend? Which has better upscaling?
Fomo, great video but I am still conflicted after watching it. I am deciding between the 98" Sony X90L vs 98" TCL QM8. I will only use it for 4k blu ray movies in a dark room. I am a movie buff. A feeling of depth to the image, with a 2D image feeling 3D, is important to me. Both are the same price at $10,000. Which one would you recommend in this scenario?
I have an LG C8 and a G2, and will probably keep OLED for myself for the foreseeable future. However, I just convinced my parents to upgrade their Panasonic plasma's (one of them is from 2008!) to a set of 75" and 65" X90L's and for them I feel like they will be thrilled. For them I prioritized motion and dark scene details over true blacks, especially since they'll be streaming 100% of their content, to find a budget that made them comfortable. Hopefully they'll be happy, will find out later this week.
How did it go?
I'm switching my 2014 Panasonic plasma for an 85 x90l soon
so much info and so hard to decide. this is my dilemma... 75" sony x90l vs 75" qm8 vs 65" a95k. for my Livingroom tv. all 3... are the same price. (the a95k is an open box deal). I like the bigger 75" size but not sure if I'd be happier with a smaller a95k picture quality...
@stoptgefomo do you recommend The Hisense U8K or TCL QM8? TV will mostly be used for Xbox series X gaming and streaming movies and I’m
Looking at 65inch
I had a 6 series and the OS was great, loved the remote and overall TV was a great bargain. My issue was how I always had issues. Even used a TCL sound bar that would never connect. Support was like talking to a wall.
So there’s that. If you just want a cheap TV with features get this. I wouldn’t recommend it if it’s your main TV.
excellent explanation,finally someone said it ,i had qled full array etc and always knew im loosing many details and for what,just to say i have some kind of black level more? anyways ,i gave my qled to my brother and grab a sony full array tv and honestly the viewing experience is far better and black is black just fine. Oled was and will be the target but since im doing everything from pc,my only road is led tvs. qleds are great either mini leds or not mini leds just as we are on full array class but sony has that little something that makes things much better on picture quality and overall quality is at high level on everything and thats why they are more pricey.
@Stop the FOMO. Thanks for this great review. I have the Sony X90J 77” - FOMO: does that 2021 model also has 80 zones? I’m happy with it, it’s very similar to X90L?
No it has less, sadly the X90J lacked the software prowess of the latest X90L with XR Clear and as a result it has more impactful HDR, due to better contrast, specular highlights and color luminance vs X90J. I assume you have the 75" X90J? Only the A90J (OLED) comes in 77" and as it's OLED it doesn't hvae dimming zones and is a better TV than the X90L!
@@stopthefomo Hi Fomo! I”m so sorry I meant I have the X95J not the X90J. My bad. So can you now explain the differences between the X95J 75” and X90L? I’m so sorry about that.
@@asafblasbergvideographerx95j is similar to the x90l in zone count but the features of the third generation fr processor is still going to be better than those of 1st gen xr processor. Don’t fret, you still have a great tv better than 90% of consumers!
Thanks, FOMO. In the 98" size TV, could you review and compare between TCL 98R754 vs Samsung Q80C?
I'll review the 98" X90L but unlikely to have a side by side comparison
Great video.... you need to add Hisense as well into this comparison as well.
Also TCL use 1.0 Color toner. Hisense USE PREMIUM 3.0 color toner same as d BIG 3. So its REALLY hard “under sell” to make a --Narritive lol. Cuz Hisense U8 U7…are d premium. 😮
@@birdtj82 LOL let's get this cleared up. I bought the Sony X90L from Best Buy and most importantly, Sony has hated me ever since I posted the X900H VRR fiasco three years ago. Sony has never EVER sent me a TV for review - I've had to buy them all myself. The only TVs ever sent to me for review have been TCL (but not recently, I've also had to buy the QM8 and R646 from Best Buy) and Hisense loaned me the U8K, U7K (both returned). Believe me when I say that I have been Sony's harshest critic (or did you miss my scathing review of the X95K last year, which I also bought) and this is the first time I've liked the entry level X90 model! As far as LG, they definitely don't like me and like Sony, they also do not send me any TVs for review - I've had to buy those too. I welcome loaner TV units for sure, but I always say it as it is because I don't mind buying TVs when I need to.
@@stopthefomo hey…thx for taking the time to explain. Okay 👌 that shows a lot of gratitude. And sorry for putting u thru the hurt. And yes a lot of FAke influencers online n it’s REally hard to differentiate who’s real vs NOT. We all know most TV reviewer/tech reviewer/ car reviews are like biased to promote certain mode/brand etc. so consumers are under a lot of stress. But def u have my highest respect.
I am going to delete that comment shortly n u have my biggest apology.
And yes u are my top TV trusted review guide. I hope 🤞 my response give u good hope. I know we all make mis judgement time to time , but most ppl have decency to re exam . Thx 🙏 for being a good guy. HUG!
Ps i am Chinese. We learn to be calm n having decency. So i see that in u. :)
@@birdtj82 Although the only problem with Hisense is that it uses a native 8bit panel not 10bit which causes some issues with HDR.
I have the Samsung Q90B 55 inch very good purchase!
So should I get the x90l or the x95l?
For the same price which one is good? Sony x90l or LG A series oled ?
Seeing as you mentioned that some of the shortcomings of the QM8 are software specific, could TCL improve on these with future firmware updates??
And could one use the settings to beat the Sony?
I think it's a bit of reach to expect a company to make a device better than it is when they can jist do that next year. It would be diff if it was a bug or a small feature.
@@asole100 I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect software improvements or big fixes at least within the first year of the product launch. This is a brand new model after all.
would really like to see the same comparison except done with a samsung miniled vs. sony non miniled. also, is there any technical difference between a FALD TV with lots of zones vs. a miniled with not a lot of zones? at what point does FALD become miniled?
Samsung miniLED is definitely not "better" - having reviewed the QN90A, QN90B, QN900B, QN95C, I can say that the additional miniLED did not make the Samsung "better". The QN90B had worst contrast and slightly lifted black bars compared to the QN90A - yes, specular highlights were a touch brighter but the compromises were unacceptable. QN95C was definitely improved but only to match the QM8 - this is why the QM8 is my current reference miniLED TV (until next year!). Hisense surprisingly added miniLED to its U6, which was completely unnecessary as the Q7 without miniLED beat both the U6K and U7K. Personally, I believe that a TV does't need miniLEDs unless they have more than 400 dimming zones.
I've been watching a few other channels that have also discussed Sony's X90L as well as their top tier mini LED the X95L and how they out perform most other mini LED TVs even though they both have less dimming zones than most of the competition and it all comes down to their processing and dimming algorithm. Sony revealed just before CES this year that they use their own proprietary tech to better focus their dimming zones as well as better control the gradient of light each zone needs rather than simply being on or off. It's actually pretty cool seeing how it works and because of it they don't need as many dimming zones. Apparently their 2024 mini LED TVs will have an even better version of this tech and some tech reporters that have seen pre-production TVs in action say it rivals current OLEDs in terms of picture quality and deep black levels.
Just bought the QM8 today. I cant wait!
Hey FOMO - just some ideas. Can you show subtitles which are known blooming offenders? A recent poll found that 50% use subtitles, and I'm not surprised as there are so many articles explaining why dialogue is not clear either by design (looking at you Nolan) or by choice in many movies (looking at all the crappy directors).
Also, I would be very curious to see a direct lit or even edge-lit QLED TV compared to one of the new FALDs like the QM8 to see how TVs have progressed over time especially for folks using older TVs, especially a Sony or LG.
Great videos. We have a 65" LG SM8100AUA, which I think was manufactured in the late Medieval period. 🤔Most of the content we watch is streamed from either UA-cam TV, UA-cam Premium, or PBS. Will we see a substantial difference between our ancient LG and the U8K considereing the content we watch?
You most likely will. Especially on terms of contrast and HDR performance. Your current tv is using an IPS Panel with low contrast ratio. Oled will blow your mind :-)
Thanks for replying. I've been unable to find any online discussion or review of the 65U75K with mini led tech which Costco has on sale for $699.99, so I'm not sure what U75K means. The model number is very close to U8K. Do you know about this model? Is it a private label model U8K just for Costco? Of course, no one at Costco has an answer. What do you think? Thanks again.
I'm curious to see a Mini-LED tv with a 720p backlight Matrix, once the tech advances enough. I presume you could then have an 8K color filter on top to resolve the fine detail, but the HD backlight image wouldn't need to be as precise.
The issue is cost, it gets exponentially more expensive to up the dimming zone counts supposedly. I doubt we'll ever see an LCD TV with over 900,000 dimming zones tbh. It would either cost more than OLED by a wide margin, or by the time we'd get there, MicroLED TV's would probably be getting cost competitive and readily available, and superior to LCD in every way.
@@shugo7337 I'm saying it would be a cheaper option to manufacture than direct view MicroLED, especially for future 8K resolutions in TV's 65" or smaller, because they wouldn't have to get the individual LED's so small, but still have a near perceptible contrast. Having 900,000 individual LED's will be a lot easier to achieve than 33 million.
I am wanting to save up for a 98 inch tv, so my question is .. doesn't the 98 in screen have more dimming than a 65 in screen? I am sure it does, so doesn't that make sense there would be improved contrast on the 98 in screen? I wish FOMO could review the real differences between the 98 in screens TCL and Sony, in how they look and perform. isn't there a Sony setting where we can sharpen the contrast even just a bit without ruining the whole picture. if so what is it called?
I bought a TCL 6 55" and an 75 Q8, both did not hold up well. Is the picture good? Yes, but TCL has so many comprises that its not good.
It’s not just software - the Sony X90L’s are using their best processor, the same one used in the mini LED & OLED models (which cost 1.5 - 3X as much)
I feel like I missed the TV Basics 101 course and skipped directly to Mini LEDs in the Modern Era 301.
X90L is not bad for SDR content. But in HDR raised blacks and light leakage to blacks bars will be very annoying. Me
Could you please guide me if TCL C845 same as QM8, or very similar regarding picture quality/panel. Thank you!
Panels are different as the QM8 has more dimming zones. The C845 is a step down from the QM8 but a step above the Q7 (USA). Picture quality should be similar but the QM8 should be a touch brighter with better blooming control (all else being equal) but again all speculation based on hardware specs as we don't have the C845 to compare!
I hope you get to review the 98inch Hisense U8H with 6480 dimming zones.
I dont think it’s available in USA. I have seen Hisnse have some insane panels 12bit panel, n 240hz. Something like that. 😅
I have the sony x90h and want to upgrade, is this tv a lot better?
Where to get Starfield test video?
I've got a X95H. It blooms if your looking for it but, overall still not yet seeing reason to go new.
Hi FOMO,
Hope you can help me to decide, I haven't had a new TV since 2011 I had an old 55" Samsung UN60ES8000 for a long time, it was savagely killed by the hands of an 11 year old boy that will be treated like an adult, well Im looking to get a new TV but is so hard so I have these models in mind but don't know which one is better between Q7, U7K, U8K, QM8 or a X9OL, we like to see Movies, Shows, Soccer, and Play PS, hope you can help me thank you.
Just curious, did you set local dimming on the X90L to medium or high for these comparisons? Great video!
For HDR movies, always set on "high" local dimming to maximize contrast and dynamic range as this is also the designed specification for most TVs.
Trying to decide between Sony X90L and Samsung QN85C.
I'm nit using it for gaming at all, streaming movies mostly in bright a d dark conditions.
Picture quality, longevity and color accuracy are most important to me.
Which would you choose ?
Appreciate the input...
I'd get the QN85C because gaming and HDR picture quality. Longevity arguably is on the side of Samsung as it's a tier higher than the X90L. QN85C is currently $1300 howl.me/clxshcjG51a
Its seems to me its all about preference. I have a tcl qm8 and a hisense u8...both are very good tv's conpared to my other oled
Does the Sony XR Clear Image in the X90L make a significant difference? I have the X90J and I’m wondering if one would notice a significant improvement.
Yea it improves upscaling and improves noise reduction from bad TV sources
@@Manuel.Medellin Thanks. Do these software improvements reduce motion blur as well during fast scenes?
I wish you compared thd sony with samsungs QN85c, not the TCL
Can you do a review on Hisense A85H oled.
There are none on UA-cam.
dont do it - Hisense image processing has been known to struggle with OLED and sadly, in the USA we don't get it this year
Buying a 75 x90l. Told my buddy yesterday and he said I should get a TCL qm8. Well I showed him this video and he's starting to see how superior processing beats out more dimming zones and sub-par processing. I already own an A80J now adding an x90l for the bedroom. Sony is truely the best
Great point. And good luck to Japan in WC btw, they my favorite after my national team of Morocco.
I subscribed to your content a long time ago, but one thing I wish you would do is show me how well it looks on a PC, because unlike your audience I actually use my panel as a monitor too, so I switch to PC and then to my streaming box to watch content. I tried out an LCD TCL and I did the simple white page black text test, and then black page with white text test and it was really bad, as in, it was unusable as a PC monitor. This is the main reason why I splurged and got the OLED, because the white page and black text actually look right, so maybe if you could spare like 5 mins for those two tests and also describe the maximum refresh rate it would be totally awesome!
Mini LED can tend to crush a lot of detail in favor of getting an inky image. Sony's approach is subtle. Sony isn't the brightest or blackest, but there's more information in the image, so the result is an image that stands out and has more depth.
Exactly correct. And, just as Sony will always tell you, they make their design decisions with the creator's intent in mind. They want you to see everything that the creator of the content wanted you to see. This is one reason why Sony's consistently provide a much better overall viewing experience than their competitors - regardless of the content you are watching.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 Sony needs to start making decisions based on the fact that it is the intent of the creator for people to be able to see their content without being forced to take out a loan on their home in order to buy a TV. Sony's products are ridiculously overpriced - the point that it represents price gouging. TCL and Hisense offer similar performance for prices that are much better. This is the benefit of competition in sales. Sony is no longer a sales leader, because of the terrible prices of Sony's TV sets.
Honestly oleds have the same issue, there's still crushed blacks too often but with certain content the black contrast can look stunning and you don't get that with the balanced 'sony' approach you allude to'. That said, there is absolutely a place for this balance and I can understand why people opt for it.
Sony have Mini LED too
@@lancealex382 OLEDs have a couple problems. First, the "Burn-In" risk is very real - regardless of what anyone says. If you watch a lot of CNN or Fox News all day, you will eventually end up with "Burn-In" from those colors always being in the same spot. Second, the "Fast Response Times" of OLED helps the videogames with "High Framerates," such as First-Person Shooters and Racing games. However, the "Fast Response Times" of OLED actually has the inverse effect that HURTS the low-framerate movies on Blu-ray, which run at only 24 frames per second. This creates problems with Stuttering, Juddering, and Shimmery in high-speed "Movement" scenes.
Great video buddy. This is why I switched to OLED because of all the back and forth about miniled and FALD. I'm glad I made the switch. 😊😊😊
Had two oleds loved them, got burn so oled can piss off forever now. Mini led is good enough for me. Got the 65in x95l and absolutely love it and I have no fear of burn in. Win win
LUCKY MAN. The Sony X95L is definitely a landmark accomplishment for Sony - it took them long enough but this is the TV that should've been labeled "Backlight Master Drive" rather than the X95K
@@stopthefomo it’s such a fantastic tv, lucky I live in Europe so have a lot of size option and didn’t have to get a ridiculous 85” size like USA.
I'm thinking of getting the 65'' around black Friday
@@gomezwardulus4192 I am a European opting for 85, but that is because I set up my living room like a Cinema and i have the wall for it.
If I lived in the UK i would opt for 50 inch Max, considering how tight the space for housing can be over there.
Great video, and point. But if the Sony had the mini led and dimming zones of the qm8, I would get it in a heartbeat. Combining Sony’s superior image quality, processing, and color, along with the tech would be a dream. I would like to see the qn95c thrown into this fight, although Samsungs image quality, processing, and color is not as good as Sony’s.
You're basically referring to the Sony X95L which sadly only comes in 85" (for USA) - maybe the 65" Sharp with 2000 zones and miniLED will be that TV this year?
@@stopthefomo very interested to see how that performs
Yeah, it would be interesting to see how a Sony with 1,000 dimming zones would perform. The X95L seemed to be very close to Sony's reference monitor and it has 480 dimming zones. Doubling that would certainly improve it but I do wonder if you'd be able to see a difference.
On the other hand, I do suspect that tripling the X90L's to 240 would produce very similar results to the X95L which is very important for subtitles.
@@stopthefomo hey I am so excited to SHARP. I had their LED , they were land slide 🛝 crushing SONY. They didnt spend enough money advertising tho. Super glad Sharp came back to USA. They left the -premium TV space long ago only selling their premiums in Japan/China. N they are like d G3 price there lol.
@@stopthefomoWhat model is a sharp that you're talking about
Best mini led are ips ones. Not overly contrasty with blown out picture
When’s the review of the new sharp Aquos mini LED TV coming?
I hope to get it later this month!
@@stopthefomoi cant wait. Super stoked!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
A must watch video to understand the Power of Picture processing vs Brute Force Brightness
Fomo can you help, i have a problem, when i enable local dimming (low,mid or high) on my 65U8KQ, and when i watch monotone or monochromatic colors like clouds or backround sky...etc, i see a matrix of vertical lines on my tv, but when i turn the local dimming they disappear. Like the lockal dimming is to agressive. I was in their store but the tv there is the same, but the 65U7KQ doesnt have the problem..
Could be that the additional brightness is adding to the complication - swap for the U7K and see if this fits your use case better? You may not be benefiting from the additional dimming zones anyway, so don't spend more money if you don't need to!
Thanks for the fast reply :). When i dim down the brightness the dimming zones are still visible, until I disabled them completely. When I watch 4k videos the dimming zones do a good job and the picture is fantastic, and playing HDR games, but in low quality videos you can clearly see the zones, i watch a lot of anime and some low quality tv and there the zones are clearly visible, but you can't on the U7KQ, like the algorithm is better in that tv, for low quality videos, it knows when to disable the zones were they are not needed. The 65U7KQ uses 384 zones and the 65U8KQ uses 1008 zones, and the U8KQ has a better sound system, but in the end they are the same tv, they could use the U7K algorithm on the U8K. I don't see the zone as a problem, they just need to update it, it's not a hardware problem, just software. I informed their support about the problem and they have acknowledged that it is present in all their U8KQ tvs, even if I replaced it, it would be the same. They say that I can return it and they will refund me, in the end it's a fantastic tv, but this problem bugs me. I am thinking of returning it and when they put out the 2024 version we will see if the problem is still persistent or I keep the tv and wait for the update. Or buy the samsung when the price drops for the 2023 model.
Has there been any update on the QM8 with 3000 nits and 5000 dimming zones that was teased at CES?
The 5000 Local dimming zone is NOT QM8-its Hisense UX 85” .
The 98" version of the QM8 has 5000 dimming zones, the smaller size versions have less.
Can you review Panasonic MX950 mini led tv Vs Sony X95L too?
sadly, we don't get any Panasonic TVs in the USA - they left our market years ago! But I can tell you the Sony X95L is a better TV based on reviews in other regions.
Hey FOMO, since you can’t get your hands on a reference monitor, why don’t you use your phone as a reference guide, since they’re basically calibrated straight out the factory?
Nope, reference monitors are specifically used/calibrated by Hollywood creators so it would be the only true "reference" - so because movie content creators do not use the phone as a reference, I cannot call it a "reference". Even a "reference monitor" is inaccurate as they only go up to 1000 nits - for content above 1000 nits, it's all subjective and viewer preference really!
@@stopthefomo So a 14 Pro Max, wouldn’t be accurate to the creators intent in HDR, up to its rated 1600 nits? I’m not saying it should replace a dedicated reference monitor, but wouldn’t it show you if a TV’s gamma curve or color accuracy is off a bit?
I think I have watched every video review on U-Tube related to choosing between the Sony X90L, TCL Q7 or QM 8 or the Hisense UK7 or 8 and it is mind boggling, although half the fun. "On paper" I settled on the Sony X90L and went to Costo to buy one. Costco had a much cheaper 65" TCL and Samsung running on either side the of the Sony X90L. No doubt the Sony has a nice picture, but when I stepped back about 15 ft both the TCL and Samsung were noticeably brighter, and incidentally had good pictures. I realized right then and there that despite all the reviews and descriptions about nits by nerds (meant affectionately), that brightness really is important to me. Don't get me wrong, I love spending time researching and watching all the reviews, but man, you just have to go somewhere and watch these TV's side by side if you can. Your eyes may change what your brain may be trying to tell you based on what others have to say! I just ordered a TCL QM 8 ...
Can we get a review of tcl 845 vs qn90b? Since there on the same money 🤓
QN90B is better for gaming but HDR image quality for content watching is similar enough that I'd save money and get thge TCL 845 unless you need slightly better motion settings or low bitrate processing both of which are better on the QN90B.
Superb comparison. Proof that dry measurements don't show which tv is better. Can You do LCD vs OLED comparison?
Sure thing, but keep in mind all my livestream comparisons I have an OLED TV like the G3, S90C or S95C there for comparison with LCD TVs and OLED is better in challenging scenes 10% of the time while the other 90% they are very VERY similar!
At 12:07 you can see the oled (g3) smashing the led Sony and mini led tcl to pieces in the starfield. That’s the biggest difference for me. Blooming vs infinite contrast.
I hope this isn't a dumb question (if it is, sorry) but do you believe that Mini Led's may eventually replace LCD or even QLED TV's the same way that OLED basically phased out Plasma?
no because it costs more to make mini LED Tvs and most people don't care that much about picture quality so companies will continue to make regular LCD Tvs who will buy TVs for the cheapest possible price. I doubt the production costs of Mini LED will come down enough that companies are willing to mass produce as low end/cheap TVs
So to be clear, a QLED TV is simply an LCD TV that uses quantum dots in the backlight system with the only difference being that QLED is Samsung's trademark for the quantum dot technology but Hisense also uses quantum dots in its ULED TVs - ultimately, they are all LCD TVs. All premium LCD TVs today (over $800) are using quantum dots in their backlight so essentially these premium LCD TVs are all QLED now!
@@stopthefomo Thanks for clearing that up. There are so many kinds of TVs today, its hard to keep track of them all.
It’s like car industry, there always ppl in need of “just a car” for utility reasons. I went to fast food restaurant, i saw all the Hisense ROKU tv as their menu. N bunch of other cheap TVs. There always market for Cheap/simple ,,,:) 😅
Hi Fomo, we really love your views on TVs and your interaction with Brian. However, I would like you to put the Sony X 90l, Hisense, and TCL with lower diming zones up against each other. I bought the QM8 85" and for the most part delighted by its performance. I have been waiting for the Hisense 85" U8K but it has not been released. We have a budget, that prevents us from considering the very top-of-the-line TVs. It's fine with me if you use an OLD tv to use as a standard but for me, it clouds the issue. When Brian says the Hisense Q7K blows him away, what is he comparing it to? Is it the Sony x90l?
Brian will be doing the U8K vs X90L when he returns from vacation next week. I have been more impressed by the QM8 than U8K personally
I just bought the qm7. I have the Hisense U8H and the Sony 900h. Older versions of the TV's everyone wants to see compared. And at first I was neutral. But the more I watch this damn TCL is blowing my mind. The Sony especially looks dull in comparison. I just don't know how improved the newer model is.
Do you mean qm8 or q7?@@TBoogy3
@@stopthefomo Hi Fomo, thanks for taking the time to reply. Having had the TCL QM8 85" 7 days now I was disappointed because out the box going through a Sony STR AZ ES5000 ES Receiver was the problem. A friend corrected my issues with the TCL. I think you and Brian should , if possible, address issues with up scaling with different Receivers, that most people who buy large Panels would be using for their, Home Entertainment System , will be using. I certainly could use some guidance. By the way, the TCL does not come with a Manual. Do other TVs do?
@@TBoogy3 Hi, what size is the Q7 did you get?
You could also throw the Q7 into the discussion. No MiniLED. Amazing contrast. Deep blacks. And I would say less blooming than the X90L. Rtings review will be coming out soon, and I will say it scored very highly with contrast and black uniformity.
This TV is amazing me. Just got it last week.
Are you saying the Q7 looks better than the QM8?
No. The Qm8 will look better in many ways, but the q7 is no slouch. Qm8 will get much brighter, and colors will "pop" more. However, the contrast in both TVs is similar, and in dark scenes, the q7 will not crush blacks as much as the qm8, for example.@@tomtube1012
I have the qn90a.
That tv is the best thing I've ever got
Hi.I am from India.I recently purchased the Sony X90L 55 inch.
I am seeing a mildly visible horizontal banding in the middle while I ran the lcd test with solid colour slides.The horizontal banding in the middle is not noticeable when I play videos etc.
Should I be concerned ?Will the banding increase over time with usage?Would like to know your thoughts on the same
I I have no clue about it , but I think if it's not serious issue it probably will not turn serious at all ,, if it it serious right know you have to change the device .
there should be no banding at all - I suggest you swap it as this is very unusual.
@@stopthefomowhat would it take for lg to put 120hz bfi on the G3? It really sucks for people that don't have it. They might not know it but 100% the c1 does magic with it.
FOMO should I buy last years Philips PML9507 mini led or wait for this years PML9308? I hear they will have Saphi instead of AndroidTV, sounds worse
If you are comfortable with Android, then get this year's TV on huge discount because the year to year improvements are incremental. With the exception of the X90K to X90L jump in performance, I don't see Philips offering the same jump.
@@stopthefomo I'd prefer GoogleTV, but for Mini-led they're going Android to Saphi this year. OLED and regular LCD getting Google though, grr
How about x95k (mini LED from 2022) versus x90L ?
that's a hard one - if you really want an excellent miniLED Sony at 65", I'd wait for the X95M next year because I was not happy with the X95K last year with its noticeable blooming. The X90L is not necessarily better per se, but the price is better as BF will drop it down to $1100 or so which is perfect.
SONY ❤️ 🇯🇵 👑
Nice video comparison….. now the $64k question…for an all around moderately bright family room television that will do sports, Netflix, movie nights…. $2799 for an 85” X90L or $2199 for the QM8?
Lol … so much for this vid
For 600 cheaper you are getting deeper blacks and slightly less detail in the highlights.
If you aren't a reference accurate guy, the qm8 can be driven a lot harder when it comes to color saturation and things like that.
So keep that in mind depending on how you like to watch
@@paulcox2447 thanks. I’m like everyone else. I want it all. OLED blacks, Sony processing, LED juice. Lol. I’m leaning towards ponying up another $500 and grabbing a 77” A80L.
Our living room isn’t a super bright environment. Thinking it will work.
I want to see YOU make a comparison video between the 90L and the 95L, if it's worth to go for a smaller size vs a larger size (My GF doesn't have the best sight, even a 55 inch at 10 ft is difficult for her) So i am stuck between a 90L 75 inch and a 95L 55/65 inch. I want to know if the differences is night or day, or just about.
10 feet 😮😮😮😮
Can u measure again ! Cuz I did some in depth measurements with my 65” . To see where is breaking points that my eyes fall apart !
✌🏼okay from Front of TV screen 📺 (not back wall ) to my face 😮(not back of 🛋️)
Turned out at 8.6’ absolute Limit too close to My 65” 😮! So u need at least 9 feet face to 65” tv to be safe 😊
I have 20-20 vision . When my eyes out of focus/it cause strain right way . N I usually pick up !
U need at least 10.5 feet 🦶 (from eyes 👀 to TV 📺 screen (not wall to wall ) to focus !!!! If want 75” . D half foot is none negotiable ! 😅 I tried , eye strain got so bad - headache 🤕
At least ! So u better get d 65” in my opinion ! Otherwise u r going to Be -Close eye sighted !!! Yrself . If screen 📺 too big , 😮 u run into 2 issues !🙀 1 its like IMAX front row seat 💺! Ur eye balls run around d screen to constantly adapt to change of image to Re focus ! D rapid i ball 🏀 movement to trace images cause major eye strain! 🙀2 ur eye wont have enough time to focus before image shift ! Also yr eyes wont be able to focus! Since too close ! Yr eyes 👀 will over Compensate by -- self Eye 👁️ ball Stretching 🙆🏻 to make yr own Eye balls 👀 from circle ⭕️ to be oval 🙀shape! It is painless and permanent!
That show they formulate near sightedness! Make sure yr eyes r at least 9 feet away from tv screen !!! (For prolonged watching ). (I am talking about eye to screen 9 feet . Not wall to wall !
10 feet is absolutely too close for 75” ! I know I said 10.5” but that’s like d limit I rested myself to feel immediate strain. For long hours watching , tv-eyes , I suggest at least 11 feet! Long hours !!!!
Otherwise u r gonna do eye ball ⚽️ marathons n focus issue both . With BRIGHT mini LED- eye butcher if not careful !
🧬 our professor 👩🏫 coach us how to watch tv 😂one day ! N how eyes 👀 work etc . Still using that method ! 😮 lol 😅
@@birdtj82 I measured again, it's about 12-14 feet actually, the 10 was a visual estimation based original in meters converted to ft.
@@birdsteak9267
Yeah if u have 12-14feet. Do the 75”.
I have about d SAME distance in my living room. 75” makes better experience. I went to STore checked d 75” U8K already . K I was already using flagship U8 but 65” , so i was not expecting much WOW (from TV upgrade) , But only seeking --will it be worth it, if going SIZING UPGRADE. Cuz d tv i have already nice. I just wanted bigger. Like yeah do the 75” it was huge WOW. From sizing upgrade. :)
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U should--SERIOUSLY look into -SHARP- AQUOS-XLED-(MINI LED). (Aquos is their made in Japan utter premium) first time 8 yrs they are coming back to USA.
SHARP was d KING-of LED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They were the LG G3 LEVEL for all their flagships. EACH year, their Flagship were $400-600 more than SONY Flagship . Till they left USA in like 2015. Cuz their panels too nice but too expensive. Ppl into Play station just BLIND. They dont even look. Gammers could NOT afford it , family ppl go to buy TV they will ASK BESTBUY “i have $4000 give me nicest TV,” they will suggest ppl “SONY” for their high commission.
N THEY WERE Making Actual SONY FLAGSHIP LEDs with their (made in Japan Aquos panel). Ppl bought FLAGSHIP SONY Bravier LOVED SONY so much. , they didnt have clue SHARP made their Flagship LED. Made SONY look so good. THEN SONY Fake the “friendship” cuz they were so crappy in their own Technology that year. That they pulled what Apple 🍎 did when Apple went to Microsoft asking for “HELP”. Once backed up, give them time to develop their OWN “Version”, they try to do Do SHARP dirty. Paying Bestbuy millions to suggest SONY first.
That SONY gained reputation for being Elite LED Bravier by SHARP, then Sony set shops in Mexico. Producing their Blooming crappy LED, with blooming, aweful colors, washed OUT!!! N still CHARGING BRAVIER FLAGSHIP price. -thats how they ruined d LED paputation.
Due to preditorial sketchy practice of SONY/LG …..(BESTBUY would only suggest SONY first for a $4000 TV--sales pitch, sell ppl what they came/ask for, no need to suggest BETTER to close deal, like they do to alienate Hisense). N lack UA-cam review, SHARP always had MORE premium TV. But they were PRICIER. So they were d KING of LED, but d TV branch almost wen bankrupt . Cuz their Aquos panels all MAde in Japan. Expensive shipping.
I was lucky that I was able to snatch a SHARP Aquos(their Aquos were all premium , made in Japan. Their Roku is d cheap line) Quatrum panel. It was before OLED. And all i knew was “oh this new invention of TV with 2 layers stuck together , back LIGHT with LED, dim individual light bump, n front light handle black…. Cuz plasma is too dim, LCD i has blooming issue. This panel dont u get to have BEST image” The word QLED did not exist. It’s just called --Back LIT LED. D FAllowing years, at least 3 4 yrs later, ppl bought $2800 SONY still got so MAD 😡 when they visit my house like “why is MY Brand new LED that I did so much research , look SOOOOOO DATED comparing yours??? BUT isn’t yours bought 3-4 yrs ago??????? Not ONLY your TV look more Newer GEN, u made my $2800 tv look like $800!! How is this even POSSIBLE. So strange.” ---no wonder SONY/lg ruin LED reputation. They launch lower LED tech , charge PREMIUM MONEY. In Asia the use to make Hisense/TCL etc make their high quality panels but turn around to charge ppl SONY price.
Seriously --SHARP Aquos, XLED, (mini led). 2000 local dimming. JSUT launched in USA 🇺🇸first time last 8 yrs. Because its so premium but out of sight out of mind for so long , it’s SO “cheap” (for premium TV). In REQUIRING new customer phase. They are doing their 75” flagship (in USA) for $2999 now. THATS ROCK Bottom price. Thast when u hear ppl on comments of SHARP XLED coming back all FREAKING OUT. They were d ROCROICE of LED . When they left USA,,,LED innovation slowed. SHARP was the DRIVING high TV LED image level. N LG FAKE d Elite”i have made OLED, dim but black”. Bullshit, cuz SHARP already had similar QLED technology deep black , utter bright vibrancy.
I am suggesting cuz u seem to be interested getting 75” . i dont think SONY come with 75” for 95L. 90L is Major down grade with Blooming. (Small but VERY noticable blooming) . U know how APPLE iPad, n iPhone screen just MUCH nicer than Samsung n etc. same thing with SHARP. I cant explain. U HAVE to see it to witness it. They use Diff technology that they have patterns . That’s why Sony LG LED users to be so ugy as flat blooming boring.
U should--SERIOUSLY look into -SHARP- AQUOS-XLED-(MINI LED). (Aquos is there made in Japan utter premium) first time 8 yrs came back to USA.
SHARP was d KING-of LED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They were the LG G3 LEVEL for all their flagships. EACH year, their Flagship were $400-600 more than SONY Flagship . Till they left USA in like 2015. Cuz their panels too nice but too expensive. Ppl into Play station just BLIND. They dont even look. Gammers could NOT afford it , family ppl go to buy TV they will ASK BESTBUY “i have $4000 give me nicest TV,” they will suggest ppl “SONY” for their high commission.
SONY pulled what Apple 🍎 did to Microsoft. SONY had LESSER TV technology. So it went to SHARP to strike a deal for FLAGSHIP PREMIUM LED. To buy them like 2 yrs for themselves to develop own SONY LED. So ppl USED to buy “oh Sony so premium” was buying Sharp AQUOS (made in Japan) panel.
Sony/LG/Samsung set shops in Mexico. Producing their Blooming crappy LED, with blooming, aweful colors, washed OUT!!! N still CHARGING BRAVIER FLAGSHIP price. -thats how they ruined d LED paputation.
Due to preditorial sketchy practice of SONY/LG …..(BESTBUY would only suggest SONY first for a $4000 TV--sales pitch, sell ppl what they came/ask for, no need to suggest BETTER to close deal, like they do to alienate Hisense). N lack UA-cam review, SHARP always had MORE premium TV. But they were PRICIER. So they were d KING of LED, but d TV branch almost wen bankrupt . Cuz their Aquos panels all MAde in Japan. Expensive shipping.
Seriously --SHARP Aquos, XLED, (mini led). 2000 local dimming. JSUT launched in USA 🇺🇸first time last 8 yrs. Rock bottom price. SONY, TCL has RBG panel their color has weird tone to it. SHARP has MORE HIGH luminance similar to Samsung EXTREMELY vibrancy buttery Luminance . I cant explain. My old $4000 SHARP 2 panel led ruined SONY for my husband. SoNY is good for Paying ppl Suggesting their product as best. :)
i use my 85' qm8 every day and it's beautiful
i couldnt afford the sony lol
I spent this past weekend shopping for a TV. I ended up ordering an X90L. At a Best Buy where they had various test videos you could display on the 5 different screens and pause, I saw shockingly little difference between the X93L (not 100% it was an L) and the X90L. The salesman was able to find 1 frame where hte skin toens were better on the X93, but on scenes where there was blooming, frozen n 1 frame, looking carefuly back and forth between the two, I could not see any difference. Really, I thought the blooming was minimal overall. I really wonder if the video world is too obsessed with the deepest blacks. To me, the brightness in daylight scenes of the X90 over the A80 made a big difference in the movie-watching experience, whereas the darker blacks of the A80 were more of a novelty, especially since there was far less detail in shadow areas on the A80.
These "deep blacks" are only visible in a dark room so BB showroom is not always the best, and more importantly, it depends on the content. For example, in the movie 1917, shadow detail together with deep blacks really make some scenes pop whereas in Aquaman or Infinity Wars? Deep blacks not as important.
Can you please tell who is better in picture quality at Sony:
Newer X85L or older X90K?
In my region they are the same price.
X90K for sure. It has the XR processor and just better image quality overall that the old processor
@@tvguy316 I have 2 Philips monitors, one higher class and more expensive but is a year older than the other of a lower class. And the newer one, even if it a lower class has better picture quality.
@@markmd9 I understand the concern. There is not too many reviews of the X85L. To me it looks very similar to the Sony X900H. There is a big chance it has no local dimming in VRR and the "fake" 4K120. The X90K doesn't have these issues