How Close is TOO Close?
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
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Can you do a video about benefits of using 2 or more graphics cards or if there are downsides?
@adam rule So don't watch it
@adam rule They made it very clear that it was a sponsored video. If that rots your crotch, don't watch it. But I enjoyed their survey of folks preferred viewing distances. It was informative, not a shill.
@lopezaldo80 Set up your cooler so the pump is the lowest point on the system. It's normal to have a few small bubbles in an AIO and doing this will keep the bubbles away from the pump and they shouldn't hurt anything if they are in the radiator.
Hey Linus , can you review the Raspbian x Nighthawk edition cause it's a Linux based os And it's a cool replica of Windows 10 made for Raspberry pi4 And you can download it from archive.org or some open sources
"Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" got me good
Pelle did him dirty
How many degrees was that it didn't say
I agree with Taran on so many things
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6:21
People at the theater: "I can't wait to see the movie!"
Taran: * punching the air *
Taran is a proper nerd, respect. :)
why does this say read more
He is just amazing.
It's weird how most of us living on Earth will never meet or even acknowledge each other's existence. For example, if you're reading my comment; this is probably the first and last time you'll ever see me.
He should put the power glove on before doing that.
Taran: Well normally I bring my protractor but the fist measurement is a good estimate in a pinch.
It's weird how most of us living on Earth will never meet or even acknowledge each other's existence. For example, if you're reading my comment; this is probably the first and last time you'll ever see me.
@@Geth270 i cant change my name before 90 days. till than stay home stay safe
You know he has calibrated his fists.
@@gametests I don't see you
@@gametests I've read your comment 4 years later and this will probably be the last time so yeah :)
Other LMG Employees: **this feels about right**
Taran: NUMBERS!
Light machine gun Employees?
Nemidoonam 69 Linus Media Group (though I like your interpretation)
Qazzie 05 lmao sorry man
Neighbor: "Why are you sitting in my house?"
Me: "Just watching my sweet new 86" TV"
Saw that someone replied, it was a bot. So I thought I'd make a comment instead.
LTT says to get Vizio instead though. They said it’s better than LG Oled colors too
I see that you are using the NTSC recommendations.
What a small house that is tho.
LTT: "Are you sitting to close?"
My mom: *YES.*
If they didnt have those dang phones!
You'll go blind.
Everybody's mom, regardless of age...
r/beatmetoit
also mom: watches youtube on full brightness at night with screen 2 cm away from her..
2:22
"eyeball not to scale"
YA DONT SAY
I was gonna say the exact same thing 🤣
Cracked me up good
Lmao, didnt even notice that haha
this was for the American viewer
i was going to make same post
4:09 My apologies to Sarah Butt for what I'm sure was a miserable middle school experience.
Doubtless, she was always the butt of the joke.
I would changed my name
Sam she must've been pushed to the back a lot :(
"Experience" sorry
I know what that is like. My last name is pronounced "gaymen"... At one point in Band class I almost shafted one kid with my trombone it got so bad.
David sitting inches from the screen: “This is perfect”
My favorite movie critic understands
"i always do this when im at a theater" i expect nothing less from taran
I wonder if he leaves the cinema if gets a shit spot.
Get there early enough and you have no problems.
@@wobblysauce there is no specific seats you pay for in the us?
@@jelmero3090 And again... if you get there early enough and you have no problems.
Let's be honest. When was the last time any of us was at a theater?
If you can't see spots after turning off the TV, you're not close enough!
You aint gaming right til your eyes start burning
@@darkeagle7674 stfu
@@topup246 stfu
You were first
DMoney Industry, agreed, you need to experience the individual pixels to appreciate the movie.
Me: "I have a 65" screen."
Them: "That's not too extreme..."
Me: "On my desk."
i am jelly schubidubap
man, you must have a really long desk
A mate of mine has done that. It's bloody brilliant!
There Are Dozens Of Us.
Ill never understand it. 144 hz is literally so good, once you try it, you will never go back. Even my shitty TN panel...once I got it, damn.
Taran's GF: so where are we going to sit in theater?
Taran: "massaging his fist"
6:13 Tarans intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion
If there's an intriguing video idea involving displays or just old common tech questions with an interesting twist (because the bleeding edge tech justifies another look at them), then James is almost guaranteed to be the writer. He also always makes great use of the big team LMG have at their disposal now.
I feel like James is a little underrated. He's a great guy and as a writer he is the most balanced I think. He is informative and detail oriented where necessary, puts all of that in to an interesting "story" (what Linus call it) and keeps it entertaining as a charismatic host (Linus and him also have great chemistry). Linus, if you read this, give that man a raise!
This. James, Alex and Anthony are the holy trinity of LTT.
Deffo my favourite lmg on-screen personality
James and Riley have better chemistry for me
James is the new Luke
Nice try James
Nicole: *shows up for a job interview at LMG*
Linus: *looks at her shoes*
Linus: "You are hired!"
Also, if your Last name is "Butt " you're hire too. 4:09 😄
@@WhyteLis21 I can only imagine the number of butt jokes she must get from everyone
@@WhyteLis21 Sarah coming up from behind
@@ETtheOG 😄 👍
@@sopcannon 😄 👍
For me, gaming starts to get immersive at 60° FOV - anything less, and i see too much of the room. Then again, i do VR as well, so i'm probably jaded. :) My proven formula: Distance = Screen-Width * 0.75.
Should have come here sooner, but there are some misinformation about SMPTE:
- their recommendation for viewing distance only considers image height, that being 3x with +-1x of acceptance;
- the 30° value that everyone mistakenly talk about is regarding maximum seating offset from center, as in +-15° from the middle.
Using that calculation, you can see that THX is actually following that rule if you consider a 2.39:1 movie.
Furthermore, NTSC, PAL, HDTV (720p and 1080p) and UHDTV 1 and 2 (being 4K and 8K respectively) all follow the rule of minimum distance to not see individual pixels, and if you think NTSC was funny, you should see where UHDTV falls in (spoiler alert, it’s 1.6x for 4K, as seen in this video, 0.8x for 8K).
Edit: Taran, surprisingly, is still within the SMPTE standard. For knowledge, 1.85:1 movies accepts maximum of 50 degrees, and 62 degrees for 2.39:1
TISOOI is surprisingly still acceptable?, what a shocker.
@@zidniafifamani2378 always have been
thanks for the clarification
Video Idea: Taran takes a 23andMe test to see if he's actually human.
Yes perfect he is suspect need this as proof he didn't arrive on earth through the portal
Spent a few hours with him at LTX19. I'm not 100% sure.
Turing testing Taran
6:31
Taran Intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion😂
The universially known, and well proven TISOOI. Nobody is allowed to sit anywhere else.
😁👍
In my experience it's a pretty good standard, close to my 48,1° to 56,4° horizontal FOV
@@qwertzuiku3t87hv86f8 I'm personally sitting about 3' away from a 40" for most desktop use. 7.6' on 86" seems fine for movies, but already too much for gaming to me. Then again, I play mostly RPGs and Strategy, not so much "click fast to murder anybody you can see" games.
Taran was calculating the minimum distance from the screen at which he could fit all his keyboards
The results were very good and indicative of what most people would find comfortable.
30deg is great for tv shows, mixed content, and general living room viewing
40deg is great for movies, especially if its a wide screen presentation
And personally, i can easily do 50deg (taran level) for gaming. I would consider 40 deg the absolute minimum for solo/non-couch gaming
1. You left the light on.
2. You didn't play his/her favorite movie.
"Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" I think we know who edited this one lmao
Pelle Gustavs. It's at the end of the video
@@8lec_R and Nicole Yuen
@@ethanmcdonagh6945 thankyou 😅
My thought exactly but it wasn't him this time around.
@@8lec_R let me dream dammit!
My mom: "Your couch is way too close to the TV, there's no way this is the recommended distance!"
Me: "Believe it or not, it's the normal distance recommended by TISOI standards."
Please do this IRL.
who care.. it all about lighting and how your DNA..
@@campkira no genes has nothing to do with that it's about prefrance, and that isn't related to genes
4:10 Is her last name really "Butt"?
That's... pretty cool actually.
I wouldn't want that as a last name
Lol
Imagine having "Dick" as a first name on top of that...
I can only imagine the bulling in the school
Back in the day when I delivered mail. I had someone in my area whose name, translated to English, was steals shit.(as in poo)
Like as a parent why would you do that 🤣
I feel like this is a good example of how you do a sponsor video. Well done guys
I love how they have to include "Eyeball not to scale" in that graphic as if someone would get fooled otherwise
"Achievement Unlocked!
Master Segue"
OK that really made me laugh hard 😂🤣
And that's a very rare Achievement!
RN Bat time stamp?
@@HamuelPter 5:08
Taran might actually be the smartest odd person on the planet
How that actually works? Fist has to fit inside the frame when you turn it up and down? Right?
I really see no point in buying large tv then and then sitting far away 'cause someone said it need to be 30% of my field of view. I am sitting 40cm from my 42 inch tv and immersion in games is fantastic. There is no point in buying large tv and moving yourself far from it. If you want to perceive 80inch as 32 because of distance then buy 32inch in the first place.
@@zbyszk1234 the point of buying a larger TV is to fill a larger living room. You can have your preference on how much of your field of view you want filled with TV and then you look at your living room size and you get a tv
@@manaspradhan8041 I live in a village and everyone in my family have a small (2,5m by 3,8m )room. I have my bed , desk and tv there. Still what I mean was that tv should taking quite a lot of your field of view cause otherwise you fell like you are watching YT on your smartphone (really expensive one) and I don't think you would like to watch your phone from 5 meters.
@@zbyszk1234 yes it should take a lot of your field of view but you don't shove your face into the screen either do you? I think you don't realise how big an 86 inch TV is. That thing is probably huge. They did talk about why you don't want to sit too close in the video itself.
I find that viewing distance with bigger TVs changes drastically depending on what you're doing. For TV watching I can sit about 9 feet away from my 55" and be perfectly fine. But with gaming I have to get up to 5-6 feet so I can read text properly.
I have a 43" 4K and I sit about 5-7Ft away and always found the text to be a bit on the hard to read side, but felt that I was still sitting pretty close to my TV. Just upgraded to a 55" and now it feels so much more appropriate for my sitting distance! It's all about size and distance as a ratio.
Imagine seeing Taran waving his hands in the air at the pictures.
thank you taran for that helpful bit of knowledge of the "fist test"
"Are you sitting TOO close?"
Looking at a LG CX 48" sitting on the desk...nope!
@Gus Cox wait is over in 4days + logistics or so ;)
@@superpsychedelics5451 I'm reporting your comment everywhere.
Go make good content if you want people to watch. Spamming here will not work.
Gus Cox that’s just how it is I guess with oleds
@Gus Cox nope, but I think I know what you mean...Ill post a reply if I figure it out, haven´t troubleshooted it yet
@@victorrosberg1919 I think it startet after the first firmware update...its a bit annoying when surfing the web.... Its dimming when no cursormovement is present...after moving the mouse its going back to "normal" brightness. (OLED light is set to 50)
Linus do a Microsoft flight simulator build
yes
Love the idea - would like to see a few builds since it's such a resource hog - $1k, $2k, $3k?
He needs to wait a few more days until the 3090 and 3080 come out, or maybe even wait for the ti or super to come out
@@topup246 Troll
@@ussj4brolli Along with Vijit verma. Just Report all their BS Posts.
Kids: I'm in for Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion
Haha, Taran's intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion. God I love Taran, funnily enough my numbers would probably be pretty close to him. I have a bad tendency to sit too close to the TV. If we are watching a movie, I either have to sit on the spot on the couch closest to the tv or I have to grab a lose chair to sit closer.
Janice: I'm the type of person who sits at the very back of the movie theater...
Giggity! Alright Janice!
Fun fact: that 5 feet line for the screen door effect is also where you would start noticing a relevant difference between 8K and 4K video. At any of the actual distances they were talking about 8K is indistinguishable from 4K... except when you look inside your wallet.
the perception of that is why HDR and other technologies are advertised so much. However it also isn't 100% accurate, there's a pixelworks whitepaper which said people have *at least* 50% greater visual acuity for images in motion compared to static vision tests. Interestingly this means that greater perceived image quality can be achieved with either higher resolutions or higher refresh rates. To achieve lifelike presence in VR requires both, so I hope screen tech continues to improve despite the persistent naysayers.
2:18
right corner: *eyeball not to scale
me: Yeah, I hope so
Linus flexing his staff size is purely awesome. Keep on growing LTT you deserve it!
4:10
Me: Hello miss Butt, it’s always a pleasure to see you!
Random stranger listening: That’s a lame pick-up line!🙄
THANK YOU!!! for including meters for us "most of the rest of the world" people man. There´s a reason that this is the best tech channel on YT.
*Taps forehead*
Can't sit far enough when you don't have the room or desk space to move around
This boi has notificaions on
hi
@@T1G_ap for every single youtube channel
He's real.
Woah I haven’t see you in a long time, where have you been justin?
6:37 Taran, editing the video: everyone but me is wrong.
I really see no point in buying large tv then and then sitting far away 'cause someone said it need to be 30% of my field of view. I am sitting 40cm from my 42 inch tv and immersion in games is fantastic. There is no point in buying large tv and moving yourself far from it. If you want to perceive 80inch as 32 because of distance then buy 32inch in the first place.
Where can I learn more about the "Taran Intergalactic Standard of Overwhelming Inmersion" ?
You should do a wiki page
The TISoOI, seems fair enough
I worked it out myself quite easily. Close one eye and then the other, and you will see where the bridge of your nose is at. If your TV appears wider than that in your view, then increase distance. You're welcome.
Petition for Linus to have a dark mode intro
Is that your cat?
They do, they just dont use it often
Holy shit haven’t seen Taran in forever
6:30 "Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion." lol
I've always thought Taran was simular to Sheldon Cooper. This just confirms my suspicion.
Every video by LTT is a bit unique and this is what I come here everyday for. Taking the very practical question of how close is too close to the display is something at least I haven't seen before. Nice one!
So, AVS, and front projectors ask this question about once every couple of years. The most common size is about 10” to 12” of diagonal for each foot of viewing distance. These are all about the BIG screen experience, but with immersion and image quality being the whole point for many, these numbers hold solid.
TV viewing is very different than home theater. It is much more social, so further viewing distances allow interaction with others. When you eliminate the room, as you try to do in a home theater, you find people enjoy much larger sizes. Also, much dimmer displays, like OLED and front projection.
You should try this again in a large home theater space with a good (JVC) front projector.
We sit about 16 feet from a 161 inch diagonal.
Immersion!
Title :- are u sitting too close...??
Me with my eyes buried under phone's screen :- No....
Michaels getting 10 across the ass!
@@romanbellic5241 i need to be agile....
the fist thing is actually super interesting, I've never heard that
Any one else thought that this was a tech quickie video by the thumbnail
I'm a little less than nine feet from a 120" screen and that seems perfect. Not overwhelming at all. I had a 82" screen before that for nine years so I was used to a big screen but that was still a lot smaller and didn't take long to seem small.
You need to buy a projector😅
@@vishvrajzala8017 I have one. That's how I have a 120" screen.
It's 6 AM. I'm just watching these videos...until I wait for my delivered tv to be installed!
0:33 when you notice, you're not the small UA-camr anymore, that you used to be
When you remember why you upgraded from a house to an office building.
I’ve never seen such a big ad for a TV
"LG Sponsored This Video with this 86 inch TV"
my eyes already hurt.
@@vijitverma7959 stop asking for views
I'm definitely with the second group.
I snagged a 73" Mitsubishi WS73907 back in 2002 after my first home theater TV, a 32" Sony Trinitron XBR KV-32XBR, finally gave up the ghost.
I was the first person among family and friends with a true "big screen" and I loved it fairly close (10-11 feet, limited by living room) while everyone else thought that was too close...at first.
FFWD to today where pretty much everyone has a MINIMUM screen size of 50+ inches and I feel like even 65's and 70's look like postage stamps at typical "living room distance"...and a LOT of people are agreeing with me.
Kinda weird to be old enough to remember when 25" TVs were considered "big". No wonder I used to sit so close as a kid.
I am definitely part of the "sit closer" group with my 75inch 4K Samsung TV. I sit probably about 6-7 feet from the screen. Couple feet closer and i would see the pixels.
The human eye can only see 1080p from less than 5 feet away
justin have you been commenting lately? i haven’t seen you for ages
Whos feet? :-D Retarded „units“ much?
@@irwainnornossa4605 nice bait. Didnt work tho
It's been a while Justin, how are ya?
This is objectively false
Why is LG sponsoring this channel so many videos these days🤔🤔😂😂😂 linus is making a big buck there🤩🤩🤩
Because people are not buying NanoCell TVs (looks like people are buying Samsung QLEDs instead - in fact, whenever I'm buying my next TV, it will be either a QLED or an OLED).
I'm definitely in Tarans group. I have my projector at 120" and sit 9ft away. I think it really does come down to what you're used to and the the level of immersion you are looking for. My wife and 3 kids are all fine with that distance too and 90% of what we watch on the projector is movies.
Same. My projector screen ~105 but angle the same. Great movie experience.
Same here 120" slightly under 9.'
Yeah, that's 51 degrees. I just read that 80 degrees is the max for the human eye, which I never knew -- given how 120-160 is a real talking point (I guess, that's just marketing, or people really love to turn their necks a lot). The general 'max' is seen as 70 degrees, but 60 degrees more generally. The 'sweet spot' for closeness is 45-50 degrees.
Fun fact: at 1080p/32", watching 1080p Blu-ray, my max is 63 degrees, which is 1.5 x 15.5 (screen height; just under 2'). This is where I can see the image without seeing pixels. Any close than this and I can see pixels a little. This is the hard limit. But, 50-63 degrees is too close for me. I like anywhere from 42 to 26 degrees (3-5'), depending on a few factors. Blu-ray also looks good at 3.5 feet away (36-degree viewing angle). 4' is really the limit in terms of quality and close viewing angle, though. Anywhere from 3.5-4.5' is perfect for most films and most people. At 5', the picture quality is slightly better in many cases, but the viewing angle is 26 degrees (the hard limit for the back of any cinema). 4.5' is about 30 degrees, which is very common, too.
Damn lol
A video on the science of why we want to be closer for gaming would be cool. When I was a kid I could never get comfortable on the couch playing games but it was fine for watching TV
yeah
Viewing distance is total bullshit, sit as close as you feel comfortable, you should sit as close as possible to where you find it comfortable, dont miss out on the immersion... YOU should be the judge of YOUR viewing distance....
Ah yes! The Taran Intergalactic Standard. I always abide by it.
My eyes and heart are saying "I want it". But my wallet is saying "Not today Satan".
Be careful dude you are being targeted!
@@TheBlindWeeb thanks dude. Just took care of it.
YoLo
I've installed some TVs of this size when I worked at an AV company and usually it was just put about 10-15 feet away depending on the size of the room. Usually we put TVs this size in either living rooms or master bedrooms.
Huge respect that you measure also in meters so the rest of the world, not only US Americans, have a value they can use
“Wow… wouldn’t it be cool playing your old Xbox games at 120 Hertz”… you predicted the future Linus, Once again.
My biggest thing is lights on or off because immersion changes. no distraction on the sides changes distances
I wonder how different it would be for other people, older or non tech-savvy people who don't give a hoot about the specs or tech and just want to watch. Like of course if you're into the tech you're going to be looking for the different features and shortcomings but someone who doesn't can just take it in a different perspective. It would actually be cool to see not only seating distance preference but also a comparison between a handful of TVs from the uber budget to maximum awesome and see which ones the non-tech initiated prefer.
Fun fact: At the THX ideal distance, the TV perfectly matches the visual acuity of your eyes at 8K. In other words, you don't need Anti-Aliasing!
That's not true. For 20/20 vision it's about 1350p resolution (~2.4K), even for the best 1% with 40/20 vision it's less than 5K. So you should never see pixels at 8k - but even at 100K or something you would want antialiasing. It's not a substitute for resolution.
@@speedstyle.
That is assuming that humans cannot see any details that are smaller than one arc minute when it is closer to a third of an arc minute due to micro movements the eyes perform when looking at an object for extended periods of time
Aliasing artefacts actually become too small to be seen at 8k
@@Katzelle3 Aliasing is where pixels don't match what they would show with infinite resolution. If you have a 100K screen with 200 001 vertical black and white lines, the left half will round to black and the right half will round to white. This is possible to create at any resolution, so you always want antialiasing.
If you're saying we gain resolution on objects over time that sounds pretty cool, I'll look into it! However I don't think it's aliasing, and it wouldn't let you see individual pixels. I think it's also baked into the standard eg Snellen measurements of visual acuity? Anyone getting better than 40/20 (20/10?) vision must be using that kind of temporal processing, as the density of cones on the retina is only about 0.5 arcminutes.
I was so distracted by Linus in socks and sandals that I missed what they were talking about for the first few minutes.
Excellent review! We just purchased a 65” LG G3.
It seems that with 4k resolution you are finally able to sit closely enough to your TV such that you meet the SMPTE and THX recommended distances, but are far enough away to not be able to discern individual pixels. If this is the case, are there any real benefits to pushing resolutions on new TVs beyond 4k?
One of reasons I can think of is going beyond said recommendations, specially for theaters. 4K is just enough for 2.39:1 movies, and there’s also the IMAX cinema, where their horizontal 70mm film has a theoretical resolution of 12K.
One of the most overkill sensors that never materialized was the RED Epic 617, which would be capable of capturing a 28000x9334 image at 25 fps
Love videos like this where we get various LMG staff opinions. Gives viewers a better idea of what we can expect. Plus it's always great to see the team!
"I always do the fist test." Mad lad.
This channel is slowly becoming LG Tech Tips
5:47 what are those????
Linus: almost perfect
*Puts socks on*
Linus: Perfection!
5:37 Taran is allways such a nerd, I love him xD
"Taran's intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" lmao almost missed that
Haha, I saw that to. My only thought, was "yes, that sounds like what I need"
I laughed so hard! Taran is such a Sheldon Cooper, and you know what? I love him for it. #nohomo
Sometimes I see parts of my self in him. Maybe because I am a pedantic nerd...
yeah I had to turn off captions to read that part, but I'm glad I noticed and did
Am I sitting too close?
Yes
Great video! But one comment: when doing the test, it's better to remove all taps on the floor in order to reduce the anchoring effect.
Taps?
That's some S-Tier ad-roll segue from David at 5:06 .
Linux, take notes!
LG going crazy with the sponsors lately holy hell
"*eyeball not to scale"
Yeah thanks Linus, I wasn't so sure
LG sponsored this video:
Not enough local dimming zones and peak brightness not as good as the Vizio. It's hard to call an 86" tv value....
That's LTT for ya
To be fair $2800 ain't bad at all for that big chungus.
LTT says LG is worse than Vizio. Don’t buy LG according to LTT.
6:05 I immediately thought of the joke: There's 10 people in world, those who understands binary and those who don't
that's a good one
...and those who didn't expect a ternary joke.
Get yourself a man who loves you like LG loves sponsoring LTT
You guys just helped me decide that the 90 series is the right one for me. I’m gonna get the 55 inch for my small apartment though lol. Upgrading from a 43 inch. Maybe in a couple years I’ll go above 65
Compared to their testing setup, I like being higher up relative to the screen, so my eyes are about 2/3 of the way up the display. It feels much easier to look down on the screen than up.
THANK YOU for putting the distances in metric system as well!!!!
Cool video! I have a 75 inch TV and am sitting 8 feet 7 inches away from it and am quite happy with it under all circumstances. I think this puts my field of view at 35 degrees.
75" here and pretty same here, just did the fisting test, so about 40 degrees.
I'm just glad to see Janice again, the world's number 1 undercover agent
I wonder how many of them were sitting further back because their parents believed the "sitting close to the TV will damage your eyes" myth and drilled it into their kids to not sit close to a TV?