STOP WITH THE STUPIDITY. EMBIID DID NOTHING TO ROB JOKIC. Embiid showed up for work, and Jokic showed up for work. NEITHER OF THEM HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VOTE. They just did their jobs, OTHER PEOPLE WERE IN CHARGE OF VOTING. STOP BLAMING PEOPLE FOR THINGS FOR WHICH THEY HAD NOT INPUT.
@@qt3dot14ish Embiid politicked for that MVP like crazy. You’re right neither guy had anything to do with the vote, but one dude literally begged for it then got bounced, and the other guy won the finals
I don't want to say a player robs another an MVP award because it is media voting at the end of the day, but I may put Embiid as an exception to my rule. He actively campaigned for it, trying to influence (or manipulate) the voters in his favor.
Shaq saying Shai was a stat stuffer compared to Jokic is genuinely a ridiculous take, Jokic stuffs every stat (points, assists, rebounds, and legit every advanced stat).
You’re right, but Shaq doesn’t reallu care about assists and 3pt shots, if it’s coming from a center. He barely respects any other centers at all, but especially if they play “soft” with finger rolls, jump shots and such.
@@Byorin im a shaq fan and Laker fan but he is jealous that Jokic gets the attention he didnt. Kind of hard when youre overshadowed by Kobe. Thats why he left and cost himself more rings. Jokic will go down in history as one of the greatest centers of all time.
Shout out to Ernie. He's one of the only people being LOGICAL in this situation. The Nuggets disrespect in general is ridiculous. They did the same thing last year.
I can't even tell if Shaq watched games anymore or if he just shows up, googles "players in the NBA" and makes up a random opinion. His "Wemby is just Bol Bol" take always just comes to mind.
They want the next great American player that can fill the shoes of MJ/Kobe. Hence why Tatum got comparisons a couple of years back, Booker in 2021, and now Anthony Edwards. The media wants to see a flashy athletic American guard with killer mentality and a handsome smile win the championships and MVPs. They're convinced they can't market a less-athletic European center in a smaller market. It's killing some of them that Jokic is proving them wrong time after time and climbing the all-time ranks so quickly.
You people are so dumm. Who is "they"? And apparently, "they" didn't get their way because Jokic was the winner this year. So you got your "way" and the people with whom you disagree, didn't get their "way", and yet you are still on here complaining like a little girl. OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOUR NOT GOD. It's America and we all have the freedom to disagree. Get over it. The MVP is all just an opinion on a meaningless subject. It's entertainment, that's all.
@@ramonramirez3761Bro, people keep saying this, but they're not racist, but capitalist. They simply cannot promote Giannis, Jokic and Doncic like they can like with specifically American players especially when all of them are mostly soft spoken nice dudes. Tim Duncan was 'viewed' as American and wasnt promoted as Kobe and especially Shaq not because he was lightskin, but because even him being black and 'American' didnt make him sellable. IMO the only dude saying something discriminative was Perkins, but people insinuating that the media is against Jokic because of racism like cmon. Dude obviously is the WORST face of the league with all players saying basketbal saved then or how they live for basketbal and then you have this dude talking about 'jobs done, lets ride horses now' so obviously they hate they cant market a 3 time MVP.
@@Dotsetc They havent try. All new last 3 year have been LA. If you set all focus on LA and there drama and the team is not great all your viwer going to say NBA bad. They try a bit with KD but he was not going to take the nummber one spot. And curry team are to up and down. If you cannot sale a underdog story to USA you are bad sale men.
Jokic: - 10th in PPG - 13th in Steals - 1st in deflections - 3rd in APG - 4th in RPG - 1st in PER - 1st in Winshares - 1st in Winshares per 48 min - 1st in player impact estimate - 1st in box plus minus - 1st in on/off BPM - 1st in Value Over Replacement - 3rd in offensive rating - 5th in net rating - 2nd in amount of triple-doubles - 2nd in amount of double-doubles - 2nd in FG% within players that average over 25ppg (almost 60% from 10-14 feet away from basket!) - Epic game winner vs. Golden State - Tied for best record in the West - No all-stars in his team - No Jamal Murray for 23 games - 1st in amount of regular season games played among players who averaged over 25ppg - Almost average a triple-double Shai: - 1st in PPG - 2nd in Steals - 10th in APG - 20th in RPG - 6th in PER - 2nd in Win Shares (behind Jokic) - 2nd in Win Shares per 48 (behind..you guessed it...Jokic) - 4th in Value Over Replacement - 4th in Box Plus Minus - 8th in Player Impact Estimate - 23rd in Offensive Rating - 35th in Net Rating - 73rd In Double-Doubles - 0 triple-doubles - 2 triple-doubles in his whole career! As you can see Shai only beats Jokic in Steals and PPG. Jokic decimates him in mostly every other stat category under the sun. There's levels to this and Shai wasn't even close. Jokic was so far ahead in the MVP convo that they had to try and make it interesting by including Shai and making it look like he has a chance.
Shai was 3rd in ppg (4th if embiid played enough games to qualify on the rankings).....Luka was 1st (2nd if you count embiid)...shai was 2nd in total points tho
Jokic is tied 7th in steals (there's like 6 other guys who were averaging the same amount of steals). He's literally top 10 in every statistical category, except blocks. And is INSIDE the top 10 in every category that isn't blocks or points.
yes. So they centered around Shai being young and 1seed as if they dont have the SAME W-L. And speaking of young, then 19 yr old Tatum who is the best player on the BEST TEAM over all should win it based on their logic.
Joker looks angry everyone has doubted him. When shaq said it to his face I think he was ticked off. Congratulations you didn’t deserve it wtf shaq come on now spread love not hate.
Casuals couldn’t figure out Jokic’s game because even coaches couldn’t figure out Jokic’s game. He was the 41st draft pick. His skills aren’t as obvious as someone that can jump 42 inches. his IQ has to overcome his physical limitations. 3 MVPs say his IQ is greater than ANYONE with more physical skills. Haters gonna hate
Same people who didn't realize the Wolves were gonna be a great team this year. I saw it last year in the playoffs. Fact is, Tim Connelly is a basketball super genius.
Jokic also changed his diet and conditioning. He was very out of shape when he came into the league. But Denver was smart enough to give him a shot because of his passing skills. They drafted Nurkic the same year ahead of him. People are confused that he's not a good athlete because he can't jump an inch. He is dominating at the end of games because of his endurance -- Jokic is like a long distance runner leaving the sprinters in the dust after 4 quarters. You could see that against AD and LeBron in the Lakers series.
The best player on the best team argument should ban someone from having a vote for MVP. Stupid argument that relies on OTHER PLAYERS to be on the best team. Most valuable player, not team.
I don't understand Shaq's constant need to devalue everybody else to prop himself up. His ego is bigger than Yao Ming and more fragile than Kawhi's knees.
That's because your not worth a half a billion dollars, you don't have the ego of a 4 time champion who is worth a half a billion dollars, and because Shaq is worth a half a billion dollars, EVERYONE, SINCE HE WAS A KID, TELLS HIM HOW GREAT HE IS. If he were not worth a half a billion dollars, didn't have 4 championships, and if everyone around him didn't tell him "yes" ON EVERYTHING, he would think like you, and if you were worth a half a billion dollars, had 4 championships, and everyone around you told you that you were right about everything, you would act like him.
People talk about Shaq vs. Jokic, like they have the same game. Let's be real in the current era Shaq could not play like he played in his own. They're two very different players with two very different styles. Shaq epitomized what you think of the big man center. Jokic is redefining what a center is/can be.
If Divac and the kings in the 00s gave them trouble I don't understand how Jokic wouldn't do the same to the 00s lakers and Shaq. It was the same narrative then and they fixed the games for the lakers to win...
@@zconigliettithis is true vlade walked so joker could walk faster. That lakers roster was so top heavy, put Gordon as the primary on Kobe, tell joker to make sure he doesn't foul, and let joker teach shaq what efficiency is.
Not saying advanced stats are the end-all-be-all, but team point differential when Jokic is on vs off the court is absolutely crazy and I think it’s probably the closest you could get to a single stat to tell you who is most valuable.
He's back on that "best player on the best team" criteria thing. If he believes that, he should have been this fired up over Jokic not winning it last year. Joel Embiid wasn't the best player on the best team. It was the only all-star on the number one seed. Jokic.
Fr, Jokic was deserving of this MVP this year, even tho Luka imo should’ve been 2nd but regardless the media got it right for a regular season award 👏 some ppl always ignore that aspect
It doesnt make any sense how luka who averaged 34/9/9 while having the 2nd most dominant game in nba history by gamescore didnt at least get 2nd even jokic said he thinks luka deserved mvp
Nah. He did this previously with Dwight. He did this to Gobert but because he's a "fraud" defender. He's just a plain hater on big men especially to the ones that can potentially threaten his position in the best centers of all time.
@@shamsielshahar120I vaguely remember Shaq being salty that a player was being called Superman years ago. He’s just insecure about his legacy. I agree definitely not racially motivated.
Let's talk number of players with 65 games or more... Double doubles Joker 68... SGA 8 Tripple doubles Joker 25... SGA 0 Plus/minus Joker#1 8.6... SGA#4 8.2 Offensive rating Joker#3 122.4... SGA#10 121.0 FG% Joker 58.3%... SGA 53.5% 3pt% Joker 35.9%... SGA 35.3% FT% Joker 81.7%... SGA 87.4% FT Frequency% Joker 14.0... SGA 19.3 (imagine how many more points if they called fouls for him!) True Shooting% Joker 65.0%... SGA 63.6% Clutch point Joker 3.6... SGA 3.3 Rebound% Joker 18.2%... SGA 8% Assist% Joker 39.1... SGA 28.7 Screen Assists Joker 345... SGA 40 Defensive Rating Joker 110.6... SGA 109.7 Contested shots Joker 557... SGA 450 Net rating Joker#4 11.8... SGA#7 11.3 Usage% Joker 28.8%... SGA 31.7% (this makes all the other stats even MORE impressive) PLAYER IMPACT ESTIMATE Joker #1 with 21.1... SGA #4 with 18.7 Need I say more because it goes on and on. No one is saying SGA didn't have a great year... but be that as it may, Joker was just flat out better than him and deserves the award. If he keeps being the most valuable player in this league, he should keep winning the award.
@@andrewforrest3969So when we Slavic people became "white" to rest of whites,how i remember we aint pure white for Anglosaxons or Germans...So stop to put us Serbs in your racial war,we never got slaves in our history of any colore,we were in past just that Slaves for 500 years and just for record in WWII Hitler kill 10 more Slavic people then Jewish...
I think Shaq’s regret is knowing that he had GOAT potential. If he had MJ or Kobe’s work ethic he could’ve been firmly in that conversation. But he’s not and he has no one to blame but himself. Still the most dominant person I’ve ever seen in any sport at his peak though
Yea but when he left he went to miami where it was not even a debate who was better between him and wade. Shaq is below Kobe all time, even if for all 3 of the 3 peat he was batman he hates that Kobe out did him after they parted I think with jokers emergence as the top guy he sees his role as the last GREAT center slipping from him. He's always downplayed centers since his retirement. @@catherinelynnfraser2001
Facts bro. You KILLED IT! Especially when you mentioned the part about how SGA was doing this last year. I mentioned that in a comment I posted under another video. SGA didn't come out of nowhere. He put up similar numbers last season but the Thunder only won 40 games and missed the playoffs. Jalen Williams took an offensive leap this season and they added Chet Holmgren, the guy who was literally leading the ROY race up until Wemby went bezerk.
Shaq is a good example of player who had a chance to become all time great but choose to be lazy 'dominant' . Dominant in my book on center position is Wilt , Hakeem and Moses Malone. If you watch young Shaq and then Laker's Shaq you will see the difference he was basically just dunking and pushing players with his elbows/ offensive fouls to score in restricted area. When he meets a experience opposition like the Jazz and later the Spurs he was nowhere to be found. I love Shaq in TNT and glad that he is good example of guy who saved his money and now is billionaire but on basketball level he is not a thinker as Kareem , Wilt or Russel.... To be dominant means to impose your will on the opposition not just physically but mentally aka Kobe , MJ , Bird and etc...Shaq was not that he was physical specimen which with the time started to break down due to not taking care of his body. Kareem and Wilt both played longer then him /Wilt continue playing volleyball competitively till he was 44/ on high level and won in their respectful fields. Jokic if he continues to win titles and MVP's will pass Shaq on the ranking which is what Shaq is afraid of...In my book is enough to win one more title and finals MVP for the Joker to be above Shaq. My reasoning is simple check how many all stars Shaq was playing with /all times greats/ and check Jokic's team mates.
I mean he’s still an all-time great, he could’ve been the greatest player of all time if he really was consistent with his work ethic and worked out on his free throw shooting to at least a 65+ FT%
Dude, he NEVER lost to the Spurs or Jazz. He DOMINATED the Spurs, and I don't even know how a low-level team like the Jazz even entered the conversation. I'm pretty sure that the only All-Star that Shaq played with was Kobe. And your definition of "dominant" is just YOUR OPINION, and INACCURATE in the sense that DOMINANT is a superlative, and thus is an ambiguous term and has different meanings to different people. Your definition is JUST YOUR OPINION, which is fine. But you trying to force others to agree with your OPINION regarding an ambiguous term, is not fine.
@@billalzerouali4436 Not really with exception of Murray find me another star which played with Jokic till now... Shaq have a full list of all time great players. Insert the Joker with Kobe or Wade what you think will happe. Kobe won with Paul Gasol two titles if not mistaken ..imagine what will be with Jokic.
@@qt3dot14ish Jazz was beating the Lakers really good even sweep them once in conference finals in 1998 but you been not watching basketball I supposed in the 90's. Shaq is not dominant player the reason is simple if you are dominants you force your will on the opposition not just physically but menially .Why Shaq was afraid of MJ and Hakeem ,Why he was not able to do anything against Duncan. I respect Shaq for his achievements and been a great business person but in my book he is around 22-20 on all time rankings.
OKC and Denver had the same record and OKC got the tie breaker. I like SGA and I'm glad he was right there in the convo, but I live in Denver and of course not mad at result.
If anyone disputes this, I want them to tell me the best way to affect Jokic's game flow by cutting off his playmaking & making him a scorer... hmmmmmm
NBA needs to have two MVP awards like the NHL: one voted by the journalists (the Jordan) and one voted by the NBAPA, game recognizong game. Call it the "Shaquille O'Neal Award" for the Most Valuable Player as voted by the NBAPA.
How can someone who doesn't care about individual accomplishments ruin anything! Actually, by making it irrelevant by his standards, he did destroy MVP!
@@pashapasovski5860 only a sissy would think someone caring about the award negates what it takes to earn said award. If you’re someone who likes crying over good basketball don’t waste our time replying to this
Joker is so special and he’s handled the disrespect masterfully. Buddy just shows up and plays the best basketball on the planet. And he’s a terrific teammate. Shaq’s definitely jealous of him.
HE IS THE BEST AND BASKETBALL IS SECONDARY IN HIS LIFE! THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S WHY THEY HATE HIM! THEY SEE ALL THE MEANING IN BASKETBALL, AND HE KNOWS THAT BASKETBALL IS JUST ONE OF THE MANY PLEASURES IN LIFE! THEIR SHALLOW-MINDED EGO CAN'T STAND THAT!
how do you have Shaq over Jokic? accolades, alright, but Shaq better tha Jokic, at basketball? maybe in a dunking contest? but basketball overall? how`?
remember last season when Denver got the No. 1 seed and Joker still got Robbeb for the MVP? Then, The argument for Shai should win because the 1 seed is invalid.
I also think Shai should have won, but I don't hold the regular season MVP to that high of a regard because they usual give it to someone other than who I think should win anyway. They'll probably give a make up award to Shai next year and someone else will get "robbed". I thought Jokic should have won it last year.
Without jokic the nuggets aren't even a 10 place conference team. Wtf are you talking about they have 0 bench no allstars outside of jokic and Murray was injured for a quarter of the season who's also not allstar lol. Shai has chet and Jalen both nearly dropped 20+ along side Shai and a lockdown defender in dort and a pretty great defender in chet all completely healthy. Thunder would still be a playoff team without Shai
Anyone saying shai deserves MVP over jokic or even luka is insane. MAVERICKS WOULDNT EVEN BE IN THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT LUKA WTF ARE YOU GUYS SMOKING 😭😭😭😭😭
Man signs of how the stretch big was take over the Center position IN MY OPINION was that matchup in the 2004 NBA Finals between Okur and Shaq. There were signs of how a center whose got range can go toe to toe with an inside scoring monster like Shaq. So shout out to Okur for giving a glimpse of how a stretch Cnter can work in the NBA. Years later we now a a perfected specimen of this prototype in the form of Jokic. Not only can Jokic stretch the offense, he also can initiate the offense and make plays.
I’m honestly more mad that the media didn’t even cover how much luka basically had a better season with stats and a marquee game of 73 points. They made 5th seed and he is basically the most valuable player on the team. I mean they move the criteria all the time. Jokic 2nd mvp they made 6th seed. I don’t get how this whole shit works anymore and even if the media is competent. Even the people who had Luka with less than 10 first place votes are outta their mind
Jokic can do things Shaq can only dream of. Making 81% free throws to say the least. Being able to shoot outside of three feet is another. I can go pn and on...😮😊
I think the addition of Chet holmgren is key to the thunder’s outperformance this year. He an elite rim protector and has great three point shooting to draw the other team’s Center out of the paint, opening up the driving lane for Shae and others
Ja sam iz Srbije , ponosna sam na Jokica i Luku. Momci su talentovani i vaspitani kako treba .Slusam vase takozvane strucnjake i umirem od smeha.Pogledala sam statistiku i jasno se vidi da je Jokic bolji od ostalih.❤
Jokic led in VORP and Win Shares the past four seasons and the second place wasn’t even near him. These are the stats that show he has been the most valuable player.
THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT AND THAT'S WHY THEY CAN'T STAND IT! HE IS THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO BASKETBALL! HE BREAKS EVERYONE'S EMPTY EGO!
I personally would've had luka as my mvp due to the fact he was carrying his team the majority of the year to 50 wins while putting up a 34 point trip dub and while most of his team was either hurt or added later in the season. It's ironic to me that jokic won an mvp because he was carrying a depleted roster but it's held against luka lol. That 73 point game tells you all you need to know, for they needed every single point from luka to make the game competitive against the mid ass hawks With that being said the disrespect to jokic is crazy.
In all honesty if jokic keeps playing like this for a couple more years and wins another ring i really don’t get how yall don’t say he’s not better then shaq and should lowkey have the title most dominant
Yeah people like Kobe and shaq should have gotten more mvps. Doesn’t mean we can’t correct this now. Jokic is clearly the most valuable 4 years running.
If we’re being real Jokic should have won 4 Mvps in a row. Embiid robbed him last year
But what about when he won MVP as a 6th seed?
STOP WITH THE STUPIDITY. EMBIID DID NOTHING TO ROB JOKIC. Embiid showed up for work, and Jokic showed up for work. NEITHER OF THEM HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VOTE. They just did their jobs, OTHER PEOPLE WERE IN CHARGE OF VOTING.
STOP BLAMING PEOPLE FOR THINGS FOR WHICH THEY HAD NOT INPUT.
Factssss
@@qt3dot14ish Embiid politicked for that MVP like crazy. You’re right neither guy had anything to do with the vote, but one dude literally begged for it then got bounced, and the other guy won the finals
no tf he didn’t, i’m so tired of people saying that
Jokic literally was the number one seed last year and he didn’t win the award 😂😂 these dudes are hof yappers
Exactly their argument is so arbitrary!
not to mention he had better stats than shai and had the same team record
I don't want to say a player robs another an MVP award because it is media voting at the end of the day, but I may put Embiid as an exception to my rule. He actively campaigned for it, trying to influence (or manipulate) the voters in his favor.
@@retrictumrectus1010he still can’t control their vote
What gets lost in jokic’s mvp case is that Murray missed 23 games and the nuggets were still tied with OKC
Plus, OKC was the healthiest team in the league.
I hate how yall keep acting like this nuggets roster isn’t good without Murray it’s really incredible
@@tzeege A team with 0 household names
@@jeroenbusha team with no other all star
Nobody gives a damn about household names @@blaqceeza
Jokic had better stats, the same amount of wins and he's just the better player.
And to top it off is more valuable and impactful
shaq was dying to find reasons to discredit the man
@@siniister710 Shaq F'd his own MVP over Dirk, where Dirk had 13 of 14 stat wins, and as Shaq says it is the Stats that matter, so hand it over fool.
And Shai is not more valuable to his team? I mean without Jamal Murray what are the nuggets? 2nd exits?@@user-jc3pl3de8b
If you are going with better stats its Jokic and Doncic over Shai, if it´s about record they are tied and the Nuggets lost their last game.
Shaq saying Shai was a stat stuffer compared to Jokic is genuinely a ridiculous take, Jokic stuffs every stat (points, assists, rebounds, and legit every advanced stat).
You’re right, but Shaq doesn’t reallu care about assists and 3pt shots, if it’s coming from a center. He barely respects any other centers at all, but especially if they play “soft” with finger rolls, jump shots and such.
It's lunacy from Shaq. Jokic is top 10 in all stats while Shai is only top 10 on point and outside the top 10 in all other stats
@@Byorin shaq dreams in his fat mind if he had a jumpshot let alone freethrow ability lol
@@Byorin im a shaq fan and Laker fan but he is jealous that Jokic gets the attention he didnt. Kind of hard when youre overshadowed by Kobe. Thats why he left and cost himself more rings. Jokic will go down in history as one of the greatest centers of all time.
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Ernie stood up for jokic ...
Ernie voted for him too.
Integrity
EJ stood up for reason. Shaq was just spouting BS.
Shout out to Ernie. He's one of the only people being LOGICAL in this situation. The Nuggets disrespect in general is ridiculous. They did the same thing last year.
Jokic was a number one seed last year. No MVP
THE BEST player on THE BEST team lmfao these mfs are dumb
I AM SO ASHAMED OF SHAQ! LOST MY RESPECT FOR HIM!!!! JOKIC DESERVES IT!!!!!! SHAQ IS MERELY JEALOUS!!!!!
Hes not being very representative of what it is to be a Laker right now.
the fact that he even said it to Jokics face when they brought him on tnt to congratulate him
Joker is on a war path after hearing that shit.
Yea I think Shaq always gets competitive when it comes to big men and he always puts down the best center at the time to make him look better
Shaq hated a lot on Dwight Howard ... and he is worried about his "legacy".
Shaq is so insufferable at times. I dont have any strong opinions on Jokic, but I want him to win a few more rings so Shaq can stew.
Insufferable is the perfect descriptor for Shaq.
I can't even tell if Shaq watched games anymore or if he just shows up, googles "players in the NBA" and makes up a random opinion. His "Wemby is just Bol Bol" take always just comes to mind.
Shaq had Kobe and Wade, both HOFs, Jokic got...Some "others".
They want the next great American player that can fill the shoes of MJ/Kobe. Hence why Tatum got comparisons a couple of years back, Booker in 2021, and now Anthony Edwards. The media wants to see a flashy athletic American guard with killer mentality and a handsome smile win the championships and MVPs. They're convinced they can't market a less-athletic European center in a smaller market. It's killing some of them that Jokic is proving them wrong time after time and climbing the all-time ranks so quickly.
100%
SGA is Canadian though
@@craxyman9025 still more palatable than someone whose first language wasn’t English. Don’t be daft
You people are so dumm. Who is "they"? And apparently, "they" didn't get their way because Jokic was the winner this year.
So you got your "way" and the people with whom you disagree, didn't get their "way", and yet you are still on here complaining like a little girl.
OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOUR NOT GOD. It's America and we all have the freedom to disagree. Get over it.
The MVP is all just an opinion on a meaningless subject. It's entertainment, that's all.
@@bk_nreynolds3278 I'm daft for starting a fact? I'd rather be "daft" than a d$#k any day. 🤡
"Jokic won his 3rd MVP"
"No."
Uuuhhhhh...... yes lmao like he won it already Stephen A, who cares who YOU voted for?
There are racist people against Jokic...The truth is today's NBA is trash...and he is the best amongst the trash!!!!
Right these guys on TV really think we care about their opinions 💯.
@@ramonramirez3761Bro, people keep saying this, but they're not racist, but capitalist.
They simply cannot promote Giannis, Jokic and Doncic like they can like with specifically American players especially when all of them are mostly soft spoken nice dudes. Tim Duncan was 'viewed' as American and wasnt promoted as Kobe and especially Shaq not because he was lightskin, but because even him being black and 'American' didnt make him sellable.
IMO the only dude saying something discriminative was Perkins, but people insinuating that the media is against Jokic because of racism like cmon.
Dude obviously is the WORST face of the league with all players saying basketbal saved then or how they live for basketbal and then you have this dude talking about 'jobs done, lets ride horses now' so obviously they hate they cant market a 3 time MVP.
@@Dotsetc They havent try. All new last 3 year have been LA. If you set all focus on LA and there drama and the team is not great all your viwer going to say NBA bad. They try a bit with KD but he was not going to take the nummber one spot. And curry team are to up and down. If you cannot sale a underdog story to USA you are bad sale men.
It’s been so annoying seeing people bring up the one seed like it wasn’t a tight race for it all regular season
and as if they arent TIED 3 WAYS AT THE SAME WINS
they have the same record actually
@@monraie what 's the criteria to choise n1 seed if you have 2 teams with same records? idknow the rule in this case
@@razoo911head to head matchup record okc is 3-1 against nuggets this season.
@@razoo911 they go to the record against each other to determine which should be ranked higher.
Jokic:
- 10th in PPG
- 13th in Steals
- 1st in deflections
- 3rd in APG
- 4th in RPG
- 1st in PER
- 1st in Winshares
- 1st in Winshares per 48 min
- 1st in player impact estimate
- 1st in box plus minus
- 1st in on/off BPM
- 1st in Value Over Replacement
- 3rd in offensive rating
- 5th in net rating
- 2nd in amount of triple-doubles
- 2nd in amount of double-doubles
- 2nd in FG% within players that average over 25ppg (almost 60% from 10-14 feet away from basket!)
- Epic game winner vs. Golden State
- Tied for best record in the West
- No all-stars in his team
- No Jamal Murray for 23 games
- 1st in amount of regular season games played among players who averaged over 25ppg
- Almost average a triple-double
Shai:
- 1st in PPG
- 2nd in Steals
- 10th in APG
- 20th in RPG
- 6th in PER
- 2nd in Win Shares (behind Jokic)
- 2nd in Win Shares per 48 (behind..you guessed it...Jokic)
- 4th in Value Over Replacement
- 4th in Box Plus Minus
- 8th in Player Impact Estimate
- 23rd in Offensive Rating
- 35th in Net Rating
- 73rd In Double-Doubles
- 0 triple-doubles
- 2 triple-doubles in his whole career!
As you can see Shai only beats Jokic in Steals and PPG. Jokic decimates him in mostly every other stat category under the sun. There's levels to this and Shai wasn't even close. Jokic was so far ahead in the MVP convo that they had to try and make it interesting by including Shai and making it look like he has a chance.
Shai was 3rd in ppg (4th if embiid played enough games to qualify on the rankings).....Luka was 1st (2nd if you count embiid)...shai was 2nd in total points tho
Jokic is tied 7th in steals (there's like 6 other guys who were averaging the same amount of steals). He's literally top 10 in every statistical category, except blocks. And is INSIDE the top 10 in every category that isn't blocks or points.
yes. So they centered around Shai being young and 1seed
as if they dont have the SAME W-L. And speaking of young, then 19 yr old Tatum who is the best player on the BEST TEAM over all should win it based on their logic.
You do more research than the media bother to do 🤣
@@august6281That joke was so out of place
Tim Duncan winning back to back MVPs and his chips from 1999 to 2005 in his peak years would’ve made people so pissed like this 😂
Ohhh that's a good comparisons
Yep, Timmy was my favorite player, and Jokic has carried the stoic mantle from him.
@@MaximusR93 they are like Iron Giants when it comes to personality 🤣 I respect both of them as athletes and bring greatness to the game 🏀
Funny enough, nobody said a word about Timmy
@@MrDbzking123 Tim Duncan deserves his names to be more involved in convos for the casuals 😅
perfect timing considering he put on one of the greatest playoff performances of all time tonight
The problem is giving people a vote who clearly don’t watch enough games
No, the problem is that everyone thinks that everyone else should agree with their OPINION.
@@qt3dot14ish 2 things can be true my friend
@@qt3dot14ishyou just backed up ur own problem which is crazy
Joker looks angry everyone has doubted him. When shaq said it to his face I think he was ticked off. Congratulations you didn’t deserve it wtf shaq come on now spread love not hate.
He went to work after that happened. He has been a beast. Maybe the wolves have the media to blame 🤷🏻♀️
Shaq doesnt like today centers and doesnt want them to succeed
I'm so sick of mainstream sports media
Casuals couldn’t figure out Jokic’s game because even coaches couldn’t figure out Jokic’s game. He was the 41st draft pick. His skills aren’t as obvious as someone that can jump 42 inches. his IQ has to overcome his physical limitations. 3 MVPs say his IQ is greater than ANYONE with more physical skills. Haters gonna hate
Same people who didn't realize the Wolves were gonna be a great team this year. I saw it last year in the playoffs. Fact is, Tim Connelly is a basketball super genius.
its very Obvious NOW
@@justinland1208 Indeed, Bruce Brown on a podcast said that Timberwolves were the hardest series last year.
His IQ is sooo underrated. PGs would love to have his IQ, passing skill and court sence.
Jokic also changed his diet and conditioning. He was very out of shape when he came into the league. But Denver was smart enough to give him a shot because of his passing skills. They drafted Nurkic the same year ahead of him.
People are confused that he's not a good athlete because he can't jump an inch. He is dominating at the end of games because of his endurance -- Jokic is like a long distance runner leaving the sprinters in the dust after 4 quarters. You could see that against AD and LeBron in the Lakers series.
The best player on the best team argument should ban someone from having a vote for MVP. Stupid argument that relies on OTHER PLAYERS to be on the best team. Most valuable player, not team.
and to be fair Nuggets was tied with OKC, same records, idk the criteria in this case to choise the n.1 seed with 2 team with same win/loss
Shaq was just genuinely hating on Jokic
Olajuwon was better than Shaq.
Bring back playback
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Yeah what happened? Low and Agent had hella chemistry
Yea what happened?
@@Madvillainy48 most likely agent wanted to stop it just like peer to peer
I don't understand Shaq's constant need to devalue everybody else to prop himself up. His ego is bigger than Yao Ming and more fragile than Kawhi's knees.
That's because your not worth a half a billion dollars, you don't have the ego of a 4 time champion who is worth a half a billion dollars, and because Shaq is worth a half a billion dollars, EVERYONE, SINCE HE WAS A KID, TELLS HIM HOW GREAT HE IS.
If he were not worth a half a billion dollars, didn't have 4 championships, and if everyone around him didn't tell him "yes" ON EVERYTHING, he would think like you, and if you were worth a half a billion dollars, had 4 championships, and everyone around you told you that you were right about everything, you would act like him.
@qt3dot14ish then I guess maybe somebody to tell Shaq he's an oversized manchild that needs to grow up
@@qt3dot14ishhalf a billion dollars? Did I get that right?
@@qt3dot14ish some people are like him without the ego tho
@@oliviertrudel2384 yep without a half billion dollars😂
People talk about Shaq vs. Jokic, like they have the same game. Let's be real in the current era Shaq could not play like he played in his own. They're two very different players with two very different styles. Shaq epitomized what you think of the big man center. Jokic is redefining what a center is/can be.
Very well said
If Divac and the kings in the 00s gave them trouble I don't understand how Jokic wouldn't do the same to the 00s lakers and Shaq. It was the same narrative then and they fixed the games for the lakers to win...
@@zconigliettithis is true vlade walked so joker could walk faster.
That lakers roster was so top heavy, put Gordon as the primary on Kobe, tell joker to make sure he doesn't foul, and let joker teach shaq what efficiency is.
who’s to say Shaq couldn’t play like how he played in his era, in todays era ?
@@theyprada3576 That's a joke right, he'd foul out in the 3rd every game with offensive fouls only, you can't shove people the way he did.
Not saying advanced stats are the end-all-be-all, but team point differential when Jokic is on vs off the court is absolutely crazy and I think it’s probably the closest you could get to a single stat to tell you who is most valuable.
He's back on that "best player on the best team" criteria thing. If he believes that, he should have been this fired up over Jokic not winning it last year. Joel Embiid wasn't the best player on the best team. It was the only all-star on the number one seed. Jokic.
...and he just proved it tonight!! Nuggets up 3-2 now.
Not gonna lie. If Jokic keeps winning like this he will go down as the goat imo.
Definitely
Not if he doesn’t win multiple championships
@taj3618 Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
@taj3618 that is coming, another one in about a month.
@@Account-kx5vr idk. They could lose tomorrow
I don't like mainstream media their opinion is very inconsistent
If Joker was a stat-padder, he could have 15-15-10 every game!!!
Every year it’s someone always trying to change the narrative about MVP
Fr, Jokic was deserving of this MVP this year, even tho Luka imo should’ve been 2nd but regardless the media got it right for a regular season award 👏 some ppl always ignore that aspect
Alexander didn’t get robbed. In fact, Luka should have got the most 2nd place votes. You want to see somebody get robbed look at last season.
It doesnt make any sense how luka who averaged 34/9/9 while having the 2nd most dominant game in nba history by gamescore didnt at least get 2nd even jokic said he thinks luka deserved mvp
I love it when ernie checks shaq on his bs
The only stat Shaq cares about scoring
Shaq just mad because Jokic is white.
Oh, I didn't even think of that. Sir, you are correct.
He was also mad at Dwight Howard Gobert. None of them is white.
Nah. He did this previously with Dwight. He did this to Gobert but because he's a "fraud" defender. He's just a plain hater on big men especially to the ones that can potentially threaten his position in the best centers of all time.
@@shamsielshahar120I vaguely remember Shaq being salty that a player was being called Superman years ago. He’s just insecure about his legacy. I agree definitely not racially motivated.
Let's talk number of players with 65 games or more...
Double doubles Joker 68... SGA 8
Tripple doubles Joker 25... SGA 0
Plus/minus Joker#1 8.6... SGA#4 8.2
Offensive rating Joker#3 122.4... SGA#10 121.0
FG% Joker 58.3%... SGA 53.5%
3pt% Joker 35.9%... SGA 35.3%
FT% Joker 81.7%... SGA 87.4%
FT Frequency% Joker 14.0... SGA 19.3 (imagine how many more points if they called fouls for him!)
True Shooting% Joker 65.0%... SGA 63.6%
Clutch point Joker 3.6... SGA 3.3
Rebound% Joker 18.2%... SGA 8%
Assist% Joker 39.1... SGA 28.7
Screen Assists Joker 345... SGA 40
Defensive Rating Joker 110.6... SGA 109.7
Contested shots Joker 557... SGA 450
Net rating Joker#4 11.8... SGA#7 11.3
Usage% Joker 28.8%... SGA 31.7% (this makes all the other stats even MORE impressive)
PLAYER IMPACT ESTIMATE Joker #1 with 21.1... SGA #4 with 18.7
Need I say more because it goes on and on. No one is saying SGA didn't have a great year... but be that as it may, Joker was just flat out better than him and deserves the award. If he keeps being the most valuable player in this league, he should keep winning the award.
Everything you said was right except, "I don't know why."
You know why and so do we.
Because he's a white European that is a solid dude off the court and could care less about cars, chains and flashy things
Guy, you are super objective in your takes and assessment. I really appreciate that.
*We need Playback* I miss it mane
when Joker was the #1 seed, they gave the award to Embiid. So Joker went and got his chip
Anyone notice why baseball never has serious MVP debates.
Cause they were smart enough to have an MVP for each league!
Good to see youngsters like you are so clear and level headed when it comes to impassioned analysis. It gives hope. Keep it up.
At some point u gotta say jokic being white got something to do with it
It's the main reason. That's why everytime a black player has one great game...he becomes the great black hope 😂😂
If joker was black he’d be mvp 4 straight years no doubt and no blacks would be whiny about it besides shaq
@@andrewforrest3969So when we Slavic people became "white" to rest of whites,how i remember we aint pure white for Anglosaxons or Germans...So stop to put us Serbs in your racial war,we never got slaves in our history of any colore,we were in past just that Slaves for 500 years and just for record in WWII Hitler kill 10 more Slavic people then Jewish...
Jokic is the great white hope
@@taj3618 you can’t be the great white hope if you’re the best player in the league lol.
You don’t get what that means
I think Shaq’s regret is knowing that he had GOAT potential. If he had MJ or Kobe’s work ethic he could’ve been firmly in that conversation. But he’s not and he has no one to blame but himself. Still the most dominant person I’ve ever seen in any sport at his peak though
I think a very real problem was Shaq and Kobe kept splitting the vote. Shaq is still pissed at the two Sun Kings.
shaq at his best averaged 38 points in the finals the one year he actually got into the gym.
Shaq is one of the big what ifs of basketball.
Yea but when he left he went to miami where it was not even a debate who was better between him and wade.
Shaq is below Kobe all time, even if for all 3 of the 3 peat he was batman he hates that Kobe out did him after they parted
I think with jokers emergence as the top guy he sees his role as the last GREAT center slipping from him. He's always downplayed centers since his retirement.
@@catherinelynnfraser2001
Shaq doesn't have those regrets. Look at the way he does his job on TNT now. The man is still lazy af.
Facts bro. You KILLED IT! Especially when you mentioned the part about how SGA was doing this last year. I mentioned that in a comment I posted under another video.
SGA didn't come out of nowhere. He put up similar numbers last season but the Thunder only won 40 games and missed the playoffs. Jalen Williams took an offensive
leap this season and they added Chet Holmgren, the guy who was literally leading the ROY race up until Wemby went bezerk.
Shaq is a good example of player who had a chance to become all time great but choose to be lazy 'dominant' . Dominant in my book on center position is Wilt , Hakeem and Moses Malone.
If you watch young Shaq and then Laker's Shaq you will see the difference he was basically just dunking and pushing players with his elbows/ offensive fouls to score in restricted area. When he meets a experience opposition like the Jazz and later the Spurs he was nowhere to be found.
I love Shaq in TNT and glad that he is good example of guy who saved his money and now is billionaire but on basketball level he is not a thinker as Kareem , Wilt or Russel....
To be dominant means to impose your will on the opposition not just physically but mentally aka Kobe , MJ , Bird and etc...Shaq was not that he was physical specimen which with the time started to break down due to not taking care of his body. Kareem and Wilt both played longer then him /Wilt continue playing volleyball competitively till he was 44/ on high level and won in their respectful fields.
Jokic if he continues to win titles and MVP's will pass Shaq on the ranking which is what Shaq is afraid of...In my book is enough to win one more title and finals MVP for the Joker to be above Shaq. My reasoning is simple check how many all stars Shaq was playing with /all times greats/ and check Jokic's team mates.
I mean he’s still an all-time great, he could’ve been the greatest player of all time if he really was consistent with his work ethic and worked out on his free throw shooting to at least a 65+ FT%
Dude, he NEVER lost to the Spurs or Jazz. He DOMINATED the Spurs, and I don't even know how a low-level team like the Jazz even entered the conversation.
I'm pretty sure that the only All-Star that Shaq played with was Kobe.
And your definition of "dominant" is just YOUR OPINION, and INACCURATE in the sense that DOMINANT is a superlative, and thus is an ambiguous term and has different meanings to different people.
Your definition is JUST YOUR OPINION, which is fine. But you trying to force others to agree with your OPINION regarding an ambiguous term, is not fine.
jokic has a long way to go to pass shaq up lmao. Jokic literally has great teammates so trying to discount shaq because of he's teammates is weird
@@billalzerouali4436 Not really with exception of Murray find me another star which played with Jokic till now...
Shaq have a full list of all time great players.
Insert the Joker with Kobe or Wade what you think will happe.
Kobe won with Paul Gasol two titles if not mistaken ..imagine what will be with Jokic.
@@qt3dot14ish Jazz was beating the Lakers really good even sweep them once in conference finals in 1998 but you been not watching basketball I supposed in the 90's.
Shaq is not dominant player the reason is simple if you are dominants you force your will on the opposition not just physically but menially .Why Shaq was afraid of MJ and Hakeem ,Why he was not able to do anything against Duncan.
I respect Shaq for his achievements and been a great business person but in my book he is around 22-20 on all time rankings.
Man well said bro. Appreciate what you bring to sports commentary.
Dude if Jokic wins 17 MVPs he clears Shaq 😂
Bro really said that horrendously bad take so casually
Today there is no Shaq and Charles on TV, they were sent to commentator Cancun.🤣🤣🤣
OKC and Denver had the same record and OKC got the tie breaker.
I like SGA and I'm glad he was right there in the convo, but I live in Denver and of course not mad at result.
Joker elevated the game..
Joker makes the players around him that much better, that's a MVP to me
If anyone disputes this, I want them to tell me the best way to affect Jokic's game flow by cutting off his playmaking & making him a scorer... hmmmmmm
I knew you wouldn’t disappoint on this one.
Stephen A. Smith is very much consistent in his criteria - the MVP goes to the brother that has the best chances to get it.
NBA needs to have two MVP awards like the NHL: one voted by the journalists (the Jordan) and one voted by the NBAPA, game recognizong game. Call it the "Shaquille O'Neal Award" for the Most Valuable Player as voted by the NBAPA.
Jokic deserves it
Joker is doing what he does with a team that no other supersuper had to compensate for.
I love this channel because it exposes how both new media and old media have the same issues. That blunder by Dray was crazy lmao
When Shaq talks i need to reduce woofer to a minimum to understand what he is talking about
If Jokic ruined MVP, Embiid did unspeakable things to MVP
How can someone who doesn't care about individual accomplishments ruin anything! Actually, by making it irrelevant by his standards, he did destroy MVP!
@@pashapasovski5860 only a sissy would think someone caring about the award negates what it takes to earn said award. If you’re someone who likes crying over good basketball don’t waste our time replying to this
Joker is so special and he’s handled the disrespect masterfully. Buddy just shows up and plays the best basketball on the planet. And he’s a terrific teammate. Shaq’s definitely jealous of him.
I will never understand the sport media hate towards Jokic and Luka
Shaq would have 0 of everything if he didn't run to the lakers to play with hof players
Hey! He let Dwade carry him too, not just Kobe.
Bro it’s a REGULAR SEASON AWARD…. It’s just personal opinions and feelings about when former players have played
Some people still take the postszn into account 😂
Awesome video, dude. Salute from Brazil! 🇧🇷
Shaq can't have a better big man than him
He is international and white. That’s why
HE IS THE BEST AND BASKETBALL IS SECONDARY IN HIS LIFE!
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S WHY THEY HATE HIM! THEY SEE ALL THE MEANING IN BASKETBALL, AND HE KNOWS THAT BASKETBALL IS JUST ONE OF THE MANY PLEASURES IN LIFE!
THEIR SHALLOW-MINDED EGO CAN'T STAND THAT!
how do you have Shaq over Jokic? accolades, alright, but Shaq better tha Jokic, at basketball? maybe in a dunking contest? but basketball overall? how`?
remember last season when Denver got the No. 1 seed and Joker still got Robbeb for the MVP?
Then, The argument for Shai should win because the 1 seed is invalid.
If Jokic got robbed last year then who did he rob when he won MVP on a 6th seed
@@taj3618who do u have as the mvp that season then? do u even know who were the denvers starting lineup that season? 😂
@@dizzyrizzler the Heat. Murray and MPJ were hurt but they were still the 6th seed and lost in the first round
@@taj3618 im not asking who were hurt😂
@@dizzyrizzler I know. You’re asking a stupid question that has nothing to do with my comment
wise words.. very objective, based on Facts..
Can we acknowledge the blatant racial bias thats going on with this?
No its only u bringing up race I see it as they just want Americans to dominate...
@@lestonclark2398 americans are obsessed with skin color even dragging jokic into that discussion who has nothing to do with it.
I also think Shai should have won, but I don't hold the regular season MVP to that high of a regard because they usual give it to someone other than who I think should win anyway. They'll probably give a make up award to Shai next year and someone else will get "robbed". I thought Jokic should have won it last year.
Without jokic the nuggets aren't even a 10 place conference team. Wtf are you talking about they have 0 bench no allstars outside of jokic and Murray was injured for a quarter of the season who's also not allstar lol. Shai has chet and Jalen both nearly dropped 20+ along side Shai and a lockdown defender in dort and a pretty great defender in chet all completely healthy. Thunder would still be a playoff team without Shai
Anyone saying shai deserves MVP over jokic or even luka is insane. MAVERICKS WOULDNT EVEN BE IN THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT LUKA WTF ARE YOU GUYS SMOKING 😭😭😭😭😭
Great points! They respond and speak through emotions and bias, period!
Man signs of how the stretch big was take over the Center position IN MY OPINION was that matchup in the 2004 NBA Finals between Okur and Shaq. There were signs of how a center whose got range can go toe to toe with an inside scoring monster like Shaq. So shout out to Okur for giving a glimpse of how a stretch Cnter can work in the NBA. Years later we now a a perfected specimen of this prototype in the form of Jokic. Not only can Jokic stretch the offense, he also can initiate the offense and make plays.
I think the reason people are side eyeing this is because he won MVP as a sixth seed. So the criteria appears to shift
I’m honestly more mad that the media didn’t even cover how much luka basically had a better season with stats and a marquee game of 73 points. They made 5th seed and he is basically the most valuable player on the team. I mean they move the criteria all the time. Jokic 2nd mvp they made 6th seed. I don’t get how this whole shit works anymore and even if the media is competent. Even the people who had Luka with less than 10 first place votes are outta their mind
Jokic can do things Shaq can only dream of. Making 81% free throws to say the least. Being able to shoot outside of three feet is another. I can go pn and on...😮😊
I think the addition of Chet holmgren is key to the thunder’s outperformance this year. He an elite rim protector and has great three point shooting to draw the other team’s Center out of the paint, opening up the driving lane for Shae and others
This is better than everything on ESPN
🤝Yes he does he’s the real deal peoples prospective is schemed ASG has time work hard ASG keep developing ‼️👏
Facts Bruh...Shaq was in his feelings on this one. During the playoffs, Joker has been the only constant.
This why u the only bball yter i subscribed to. You call bs out and back it up. Kudos to you big bro
Low has a bunch of bs takes too
@@taj3618 for example?
Ja sam iz Srbije , ponosna sam na Jokica i Luku. Momci su talentovani i vaspitani kako treba .Slusam vase takozvane strucnjake i umirem od smeha.Pogledala sam statistiku i jasno se vidi da je Jokic bolji od ostalih.❤
Jokic led in VORP and Win Shares the past four seasons and the second place wasn’t even near him. These are the stats that show he has been the most valuable player.
You spittin tru shiit bro I'll subscribe 💯
THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT AND THAT'S WHY THEY CAN'T STAND IT! HE IS THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO BASKETBALL! HE BREAKS EVERYONE'S EMPTY EGO!
Another great vid LoW
I love your explanation.
I personally would've had luka as my mvp due to the fact he was carrying his team the majority of the year to 50 wins while putting up a 34 point trip dub and while most of his team was either hurt or added later in the season. It's ironic to me that jokic won an mvp because he was carrying a depleted roster but it's held against luka lol. That 73 point game tells you all you need to know, for they needed every single point from luka to make the game competitive against the mid ass hawks
With that being said the disrespect to jokic is crazy.
Great video bro.
*He's proving why he's the MVP in this series against the wolves where all of the media was saying the series was over..*
Great video
Man, this is the first video I watch from you and you got me already subscribed after first few mts.
I think you’re smart and this video is well done
Thanks for the video, your comments are always very informative
In all honesty if jokic keeps playing like this for a couple more years and wins another ring i really don’t get how yall don’t say he’s not better then shaq and should lowkey have the title most dominant
I don’t think Jokic will ever be labeled as dominant because he’s such a great playmaker. I never heard of a dominant passer 😂
This video couldn’t have dropped at a better time
When its all said and done jokic gonna be top 3 centre of all time
Yeah people like Kobe and shaq should have gotten more mvps. Doesn’t mean we can’t correct this now. Jokic is clearly the most valuable 4 years running.