"NIKOLA JOKIC IS THE WORST MVP IN NBA HISTORY"

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  • @tr3ball_wavey473
    @tr3ball_wavey473 2 місяці тому +1103

    Gilbert arenas try not to be xenophobic challenge :Difficulty Impossible

    • @destinedforgreatness3030
      @destinedforgreatness3030 2 місяці тому +53

      And it’s only the white foreign players bc he at least kinda fw Giannis and Joel lol

    • @malenurse1999
      @malenurse1999 2 місяці тому

      Gilbert Arenas is not xenophobic. He is a straight up racist

    • @ceoofthenewmedia5147
      @ceoofthenewmedia5147 2 місяці тому +58

      ​@@destinedforgreatness3030he don't fw giannas at all

    • @forthdimension686
      @forthdimension686 2 місяці тому +3

      Whats Xenophobic?

    • @stewie2k746
      @stewie2k746 2 місяці тому +69

      ​@@forthdimension686 hating people from other countries

  • @bacongrabber
    @bacongrabber 2 місяці тому +902

    Man we gotta just get Gil off the internet. His racism, xenophobia, and hatred of players better than him is showing like crazy

    • @destinedforgreatness3030
      @destinedforgreatness3030 2 місяці тому +31

      I mean everyone is entitled to they opinion it’s a stupid one but it’s how he think

    • @SamuelMills-ez4jo
      @SamuelMills-ez4jo 2 місяці тому +15

      Shut up lol. Nash put the most average numbers but he's team fished top 2, jokic fished 10th. Jokic obviously not the worse mvp but Gil not racist.

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому +8

      He does have 1 point tho. Jokic gets hella passes record wise. He would be the 1st and only playe ever that would be a multiple time MVP without recieving it as a top seed. I know he deserved it last year but thats kinda wild.

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому +40

      ​@@SamuelMills-ez4joFor me the worst MVP this century is Westbrook 2017. Everyone was just hyped by the TD stat.

    • @AnitaHanjaaab
      @AnitaHanjaaab 2 місяці тому

      Big BIG facts. Straight clown.

  • @manidk1508
    @manidk1508 2 місяці тому +314

    Jokic is the best example of what the MVP award even means being the most valuable player making people around him play better.

    • @ilovephathoes33
      @ilovephathoes33 2 місяці тому +3

      so Steve Nash is too i guess

    • @bogoljubdjordjevic7528
      @bogoljubdjordjevic7528 2 місяці тому +5

      Exactly that mean MVP

    • @bogoljubdjordjevic7528
      @bogoljubdjordjevic7528 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@ilovephathoes33yes he was great player am happy after Joker stay Wemby and Luka to carry the torch for Europe!

    • @Serenity01871
      @Serenity01871 2 місяці тому

      @@ilovephathoes33yes but he also is the best individuals and scores more pts with less shots

    • @kNaild
      @kNaild 2 місяці тому

      ​@ilovephathoes33 Steve really did make his team better the 1st mvp no one disputes but the other ones they do right jokic won a chip so he deserves all of this

  • @JSauer21
    @JSauer21 2 місяці тому +579

    Jokic is the best example of an MVP any of us have seen

    • @drakevick1646
      @drakevick1646 2 місяці тому +12

      He fasho got the case. For me, he is, and I saw Bron win 4 of them thangs. Jokic was a better mvp than him

    • @Youinnerstandme
      @Youinnerstandme 2 місяці тому +24

      @@drakevick1646lmaooo don’t have to drag bron into this 😂 debatable but I call cap

    • @user-lt1fx2he5s
      @user-lt1fx2he5s 2 місяці тому +8

      @@Youinnerstandme I’ve seen Lebron’s teammates still win games without him

    • @Youinnerstandme
      @Youinnerstandme 2 місяці тому +20

      @@user-lt1fx2he5s so have I seen nuggets win without jokic so what are we talking about

    • @YetiCoolBrother
      @YetiCoolBrother 2 місяці тому +12

      ​@@user-lt1fx2he5s ...you realize the Bulls damn near won another Championship when Jordan left to play baseball right?

  • @VitorGSM
    @VitorGSM 2 місяці тому +292

    Gilbert has a big platform that he can use to educate his audience or bring entertainment, but instead he decides to be a professional hater, bringing other players down for no reason, he just sounds so bitter and a bit jealous too.

    • @AnonymousUser-ss2qr
      @AnonymousUser-ss2qr 2 місяці тому +4

      I thought that too until I actually heard him explain his takes. Jokic is the worst multi MVP winner. He isn't the worst player obviously but he is the worst multi MVP winner. The UA-cam you're watching is manipulating you.

    • @student99bg
      @student99bg 2 місяці тому +34

      ​@@AnonymousUser-ss2qr You are the one that is being manipulated. Jokić haters are the only ones who don't think objectively and rationally, but hate him because he is not American, because he is from a country that is an enemy of the US (and in some cases because he is white).
      Gilbert Arenas says that others think with emotions (projection) and that we should let AI decide who will be the MVP.
      The basketball reference MVP tracker chose Jokić to be the MVP in 2021, 2022 and in 2023. If you let AI decide the MVP not only would have Jokić won the last 3 MVPs, but virtually no player would stand a chance of winning an MVP award in the next couple of years.
      Gilbert Arenas doesn't know what he is talking about and that was demonstrated to a decent extent in this video.
      I would just like to add one more thing to this video, when Gilbert Arenas lied that Jokić was the first player to win 2 MVPs without 50 wins, this wasn't just a lie (Moses Malone did this before Jokić as pointed out in this video), the 2021 NBA season lasted 72 games, not 82 games. Nuggets won 47 games that season. They didn't have a 47-35 record, but a 47-25 record.
      The only thing that Gilbert Arenas has is that Nuggets were 3rd and 6th in the two MVP seasons. That doesn't mean Jokić is the worst 2 times MVP winner, it means that criteria for MVP award changed in 2017 when Westbrook won it from a 6th place while having way worse stats than Jokić.

    • @LaymensLament
      @LaymensLament 2 місяці тому +5

      maybe hes preparing for clown school

    • @LaymensLament
      @LaymensLament 2 місяці тому +6

      i mean if you watch the nba and dont see that jokic is the most dangerous player, i dont think u can add a lot of value through argumentation. dont even need the numbers. if u look at advanced stats u come to the same conclusion, so… i cant see how u can know basketball and not see what jokic does to the game. he probably just speaks in bad faith.

    • @MrDiMES123
      @MrDiMES123 2 місяці тому +3

      @@student99bg the goal posts were lowered the most for jokic. Facts are facts. Don’t get emotional

  • @TheBestMovieAlive
    @TheBestMovieAlive 2 місяці тому +137

    Jokic didn’t have his 2nd and 3rd best players on his team one of those seasons and he still took the team to the playoffs.

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому

      MPJ is not better than Gordon. No chance.

    • @nicolasmartinez795
      @nicolasmartinez795 2 місяці тому +14

      @@JoseFranco9 maybe not now but in 2021 MPJ was seen as their 3rd best player and AG had just come from Orlando and was figuring out his role going from the man to a super role player. Since then AG has grown into probably the best roll player in the NBA but that wasn't the case when he first got to Denver. Can't look at the past with the context of the present my friend

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому +5

      @@nicolasmartinez795 Nah MPJ always had similar numbers and a worse defensive impact. I hate the narrative that MPJ was a massive blow. That season Gordon was getting hella disrespected. Even LoW said things like "Aron Gordon is a slightly better Anthony Bennett" "Did you rob your t*** watching him play?" . Only after last years playoffs he got somewhat respected. Hell, in that 21/22 season, had Gordon got hurt instead of MPJ Nuggets don't get to the playoffs. He was the denfensive anchor in the rim.

    • @slXD100
      @slXD100 2 місяці тому

      @@JoseFranco9 stfu dude, MPJ was definitely the 3rd best player that year, your low IQ screeching won't change that

    • @jayb1303
      @jayb1303 2 місяці тому

      As a 6th seed in the west which is absolutely insane.

  • @markjones2518
    @markjones2518 2 місяці тому +164

    This jokic Disrespect will never stop 🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @goatstatusj5112
      @goatstatusj5112 2 місяці тому +1

      The Jokic glazing needs to stop. Jokic fans are the worst thing to happen to basketball….

    • @ernestopaz-dm4uk
      @ernestopaz-dm4uk 2 місяці тому

      @@goatstatusj5112stfu just say you don’t know ball

    • @SarahNGeti
      @SarahNGeti 2 місяці тому

      @@goatstatusj5112 ok casual.

    • @spcfl1461
      @spcfl1461 2 місяці тому +9

      @@goatstatusj5112People who don’t know wtf they’re talking about when it comes to basketball. Are the worst thing to happen to basketball

    • @spcfl1461
      @spcfl1461 2 місяці тому

      @@goatstatusj5112”gLaZInG” you’re all of 15-20 kid shut up

  • @platinumpengwinmusic5564
    @platinumpengwinmusic5564 2 місяці тому +180

    *Everyone ignores EFFICIENCY.*

    • @ernestorodriguez7211
      @ernestorodriguez7211 2 місяці тому +14

      Been like that forever, it’s infuriating

    • @jayb1303
      @jayb1303 2 місяці тому +9

      You don’t even have to use efficiency he literally was playing the basketball in the association for 3 years in a row. Because even last year we won the chip you could argue he should’ve won mvp then too.

    • @teledanhogan4237
      @teledanhogan4237 2 місяці тому

      How about AVAILABILITY… and IQ … Gil to stupid to consider value beyond jumping and running shit…

    • @platinumpengwinmusic5564
      @platinumpengwinmusic5564 2 місяці тому +3

      @@jayb1303 I agree man. I guess I'm just saying alot of the mainstream analysts overlook it, and I think it's a very important stat.

    • @jayb1303
      @jayb1303 2 місяці тому

      @@platinumpengwinmusic5564 ngl depending on the era i don’t charge it to the game

  • @isaacbarrow9155
    @isaacbarrow9155 2 місяці тому +140

    gilbert arenas IQ is in the single digits

  • @slackerofhell
    @slackerofhell 2 місяці тому +181

    Gilbert Arenas is a perfect example as to why being a former player doesn't mean squat when it comes to speaking about the game. I wouldn't be surprised if Gil legitimately believes everything he says, too.

    • @scribbz9593
      @scribbz9593 2 місяці тому +10

      Arenas definitely suffers mental health problems. He brought a gun into his teams locker room. It makes sense why he's one sided in his views and so xenophobic.

    • @mlrd2687
      @mlrd2687 2 місяці тому +4

      One thing separates Gilbert Arenas from other famous basketball players. I read a lot of comments about him and I noticed that there is no basketball player in the world whom people call an idiot, a clown, a racist and a xenophobe more often.

    • @outtabad
      @outtabad 2 місяці тому

      Gil brought up stats to back his claim, yall disagreeing with emotions

    • @SarahNGeti
      @SarahNGeti 2 місяці тому +1

      He watches Nick, Perkins and Stephen A. Smith to learn how to be a troll.

    • @SarahNGeti
      @SarahNGeti 2 місяці тому +4

      @@outtabad No, he made it seem that way, it's called manipulation and cherry-picking facts to make an absurd subjective claim.

  • @JesusOrDestruction
    @JesusOrDestruction 2 місяці тому +85

    Gill just cant stand that their are European players that are better than him

  • @DenverBaldwin
    @DenverBaldwin 2 місяці тому +102

    Worst narrative ever

  • @GiovanniSuvire
    @GiovanniSuvire 2 місяці тому +66

    Gilbert Arenas makes me feel like I'm losing brain cells whenever he talks.

    • @michaelfeinberg507
      @michaelfeinberg507 2 місяці тому

      Losing brain cells is bringing 4 guns into an nba locker room in plain sight. And he is on the air to display his expertise? Just another jealous racist who never was in the running for an mvp..

  • @bringiton2752
    @bringiton2752 2 місяці тому +38

    Gil is lucky that he was crazy athletic cause he has been really exposing his lack of knowledge on the game

  • @deelak2329
    @deelak2329 2 місяці тому +86

    It's like this man gilbert living in 2021 with nick Wright. Did this man miss the last 3 years of regular and postseason jokicball. Dude literally went all-time all-time on everyone's ass last playoff run to the point where people were asking if it's the greatest individual run ever.

    • @superstar_h_gamer5211
      @superstar_h_gamer5211 2 місяці тому +16

      At least Nick's point made sense to an extent even tho I disagreed. He even conceded when Jokic won in the playoffs and now rightfully calls him top 15 all time.

    • @diegobromfield
      @diegobromfield 2 місяці тому

      Seriously you guys should go to the source whenever these channels put out clips that lack full context. He wasn't saying Jokic is not a great player. He gave examples on what former regular season MVPs did and compared that to the reasons why Jokic got his. Jokic in regards to the MVP, was lacking. He even zoomed in on the handful of MVPs before Jokic and what they did. And to his credit, he said last season was when it really should have gone to Jokic but the media screwed up for 2 years and tried to correct it so they gave Embiid. Rather than handing Jokic 3 straight. If you go back and watch his shows from this time last year, Jokic was the guy he said should win. Then all of a sudden Embiid got it afterwards. Y'all letting content creators mislead you too easily.

    • @corvoattano7430
      @corvoattano7430 2 місяці тому +2

      @@diegobromfieldnah gil is racist and well know that already

    • @diegobromfield
      @diegobromfield 2 місяці тому

      @@corvoattano7430 You're either ignorant or foolish if that is what you think.

    • @M.L.official
      @M.L.official 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@diegobromfielddon't try to validate his take lol, it's wrong and bad

  • @__j20
    @__j20 2 місяці тому +216

    I know everyone goes to the xenophobic tag on arenas and all these guys who have takes like him, but I think it’s time we start being a little more specific. Most of these types of takes are being said about Caucasian players. They extend to takes that are said about players like bird, Stockton, and others as well so it’s not just foreigners. But it feels like people are afraid to call it like it is for some reason.
    And this isn’t anything new. Isiah Thomas and Rodman both said bird was only hyped so much because of his skin color during the 1987 playoffs. Cedric maxwell said that he was prejudiced against Caucasian players and thought they couldn’t play. Many other players have openly admitted that they feel this type of way and yet no one calls them out on it.

    • @malenurse1999
      @malenurse1999 2 місяці тому

      Gilbert Arenas is not xenophobic. He is a straight up racist

    • @pinkt1t5
      @pinkt1t5 2 місяці тому

      Only white people can be racist apparently.

    • @drakevick1646
      @drakevick1646 2 місяці тому +45

      Fr. It’s never against Embiid. It’s always the white boys, in Luka and Jokic. But when Embiid and Giannis are in the convo, he’s noticeably more respectful towards their careers

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому

      LoW is guilty of this. He has an unhinged hate towards Stockton. I feel he has an agenda vs him.

    • @user-lt1fx2he5s
      @user-lt1fx2he5s 2 місяці тому +28

      @@drakevick1646He was never respectful towards Giannis and he didn’t start being respectful towards Embiid until he got his American visa

  • @igweofart
    @igweofart 2 місяці тому +96

    Aint he the same MFer that said the NBA should ban European players?

    • @osamabinliftin8632
      @osamabinliftin8632 2 місяці тому +27

      Yep he’s just mad 2/3 best players rn are white from Europe

    • @stennostenno1346
      @stennostenno1346 2 місяці тому +5

      What about black european players like Dennis Schroeder?

    • @Aralis21
      @Aralis21 2 місяці тому +1

      According to him, he can't def

    • @igweofart
      @igweofart 2 місяці тому +3

      @@stennostenno1346 I said Europeans in general, I ain’t never said anything about black or white

    • @LogicallyKnot
      @LogicallyKnot 2 місяці тому +1

      Don't need to ban them, just need to be better. Which the American player today is not. A handful of European players played in the NBA 30 years ago. If they actually played basketball and not a 3 point contest with no defense, there would be no room for the European player. They're able to run the league today because the American players are so soft. Jokic wouldn't have played 5 minutes in the 90s. They would have broke him up.

  • @THEYourHighness
    @THEYourHighness 2 місяці тому +63

    Gil gotta stop just saying shit to make a biased argument. That goes for all these nba player podcasts. I'm sick of the bullshit

  • @Dontizzle24
    @Dontizzle24 2 місяці тому +22

    The Jokic and Tim Duncan disrespect goes hand in hand tbh

    • @pittland44
      @pittland44 2 місяці тому +2

      Excellent observation. It's so ridiculously true. The problem is that Duncan and Joker were not super flashy, but they low key dominated every game they were in.

  • @vinom6346
    @vinom6346 2 місяці тому +20

    Gil is the first nba player to be diagnosed with CTE

  • @petelemke6136
    @petelemke6136 2 місяці тому +13

    He had the highest per season of all time, ALL TIME! Absolutely deserved. And he did it on 29-31% usage rate vs 42%

  • @ImportAl
    @ImportAl 2 місяці тому +66

    Notice McCants getting phased out because he checks Gils idiotic takes? Gil really doesn't understand efficiency.

    • @yannikamaya
      @yannikamaya 2 місяці тому +10

      He don't care about efficiency

    • @destinedforgreatness3030
      @destinedforgreatness3030 2 місяці тому +21

      Yes and no bc we not gone act like McCants don’t say idiotic stuff too and will argue it just to argue lol

    • @LEFTNRIGHTHANDOFG0D
      @LEFTNRIGHTHANDOFG0D 2 місяці тому +4

      He has worse takes

    • @zacharykall6844
      @zacharykall6844 2 місяці тому +9

      McCants got just as bad takes with even less credibility.

    • @deeznutz8320
      @deeznutz8320 2 місяці тому +2

      @@destinedforgreatness3030 Very true, the dumbest takes with the biggest ego behind it are Mccants

  • @jameslucus
    @jameslucus 2 місяці тому +32

    generational first overall pick perennial mvp first ballot hof type of xenophobia

    • @JakeKoenig
      @JakeKoenig 2 місяці тому

      You spelled "racism" wrong. Stop the xenophobia crap. It's a smokescreen for the real issue.

  • @andreamicucci2396
    @andreamicucci2396 2 місяці тому +11

    Not to mention his historical advanced stats records he broke on his first MVP and then SHATTERED his second MVP....and i believe he broke his own advanced stats records last year AGAIN when they gifted it to Joel.

  • @yannikamaya
    @yannikamaya 2 місяці тому +20

    Its funny how he's applying the same bias he's accusing other members in the media of doing😂😂😂

  • @demonreacts7816
    @demonreacts7816 2 місяці тому +11

    Gilbert seemed to ignore a certain other MVP that won it twice only to never make the finals…Ironically, both him and Gilbert played in the same era (mid-2000s)

  • @IHadToMakeThisAccount
    @IHadToMakeThisAccount 2 місяці тому +41

    I really question if Gil just says stuff like this to get views, or if he’s really that dumb. Considering his history, I lean towards the latter. 😂

  • @guansta96
    @guansta96 2 місяці тому +6

    If Gil tells you the sky is blue... Go outside and check it twice

  • @takaikuta
    @takaikuta 2 місяці тому +11

    New MVP criteria Players must jump at least 20 inches.

    • @takaikuta
      @takaikuta 2 місяці тому +3

      disqualified lists Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, Karl Malone. Jokic

    • @denissmiljkovic9924
      @denissmiljkovic9924 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@takaikutaDončić, Curry, Irving, Nowitzki, T.Parker...

  • @messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011
    @messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011 2 місяці тому +10

    “We done with Gilbert Arenas takes”

  • @Lexio3031
    @Lexio3031 2 місяці тому +9

    AI would have Jokic winning four straight years, Arenas would suddenly not trust the AI because it somehow has feelings 😂😂

  • @kidflashiv
    @kidflashiv 2 місяці тому +27

    Isn’t a center averaging a near triple double….historic?

    • @mawclw2003
      @mawclw2003 2 місяці тому +1

      No Wilt did it and they said he was being selfish!

    • @cyrillesu
      @cyrillesu 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@mawclw2003actually, those seasons by Wilt are held in really high regard by at least most of the sensible basketball people that I know of. Don't know what you're trying to point out with that 🤷

    • @dismantledbrain5910
      @dismantledbrain5910 2 місяці тому +1

      @@mawclw2003 Selfish for averaging 10 assists?
      How does that work??

    • @kidflashiv
      @kidflashiv 2 місяці тому +1

      @@mawclw2003 so doing something that wilt chamberlain did isnt historic? Also he wasn’t called for that. He was called selfish for his scoring

    • @erikponciano
      @erikponciano 2 місяці тому

      Just because some legend has done it before it doesn't mean it can't be historic.

  • @user-lt1fx2he5s
    @user-lt1fx2he5s 2 місяці тому +24

    26/12/9 on 58%FG 34% from 3 82% from the Free throw line

    • @snazzoid
      @snazzoid 2 місяці тому +3

      "meh, what's historic about that?"

    • @dismantledbrain5910
      @dismantledbrain5910 2 місяці тому +2

      "that's not even a triple double. That's an ALMOST triple double. Smh, we've lowered the bar so much..."

    • @garymarrow803
      @garymarrow803 2 місяці тому

      @@dismantledbrain5910and was Shaq and Kareem doing that

    • @FBG_Taliban
      @FBG_Taliban 2 місяці тому +2

      ​​@@garymarrow803yes,Shaq was,he just didn't have the passing numbers but his defense counteract Jokic's assists,therefore Shaq is STILL better, Shaq shot 60%+ 5 times

    • @garymarrow803
      @garymarrow803 2 місяці тому +1

      @@FBG_Taliban ok then my point still stands no center other than jokic has had an almost triple double since the 60s just because shaq shoot better does not mean he passed the ball more

  • @iamthejolson
    @iamthejolson 2 місяці тому +9

    Gilbert Arenas is evidence that just cause someone played in the NBA that doesn’t mean they’re smarter about analyzing the league

  • @kronostartext6948
    @kronostartext6948 2 місяці тому +8

    Don't forget Jokic had the highest per for in season record breaking Wilt Chamberlain's

  • @Ataraxia_Atom
    @Ataraxia_Atom 2 місяці тому +12

    Actually unhinged, 27-8-13 like it's EVER been done before lol these guys are so mad seeing these Europeans take over the league

  • @johnboy1760
    @johnboy1760 2 місяці тому +13

    The most important variable to winning an MVP is your competition.
    You’re not competing with previous MVPs, you’re competing with your peers. If you average 15 points, but everyone else averages 10 you’re going to win. Similarly, if you average 40 but someone else averages 50, then you’re not going to win.
    The years he won it, he was the best candidate. One time was his production and the sheer efficiency. Other time, everyone else was hurt.

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому +5

      Hes no better than Luka this year. By pure stats, standings aside, Luka beats him. Now, if you go to advance Jokic beats him but is not a massive gap like in 2022.

    • @deadlylightningspirit4295
      @deadlylightningspirit4295 2 місяці тому

      @@JoseFranco9Luka is also doing that with less and harder defense

    • @elgaad7002
      @elgaad7002 2 місяці тому

      ​@@JoseFranco9no he doesn't

    • @dewman7477
      @dewman7477 2 місяці тому +2

      @@elgaad7002luka has less help outside of kyrie than Jokic has outside of Murray

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому

      @@elgaad7002 Luka is on route of putting a better season than Jokic 21/22 and the thing everyone said was "needs to win more". Hes avg 36/9/10 with 64% TS and 50 games with a potential 4th seed vs Jokic potential 3rd is absolutely absurd. At the bare minimum should be 50/50

  • @drewbaby98
    @drewbaby98 2 місяці тому +16

    Oh man I been waiting to hear this 💯🤝🏾

  • @roneteus
    @roneteus 2 місяці тому +6

    I honestly believe Jokic will end up being a top 10 all time player.

  • @jasonhayders1550
    @jasonhayders1550 2 місяці тому +15

    Maaaan i was waiting for this video for 2 days🤣🤣🤣

  • @patrickellsworth5427
    @patrickellsworth5427 2 місяці тому +6

    Jokic has never played with an all-star. Let that sink in.

    • @robija21000
      @robija21000 2 місяці тому

      This is so true too (I think :D)

  • @markotoshich7676
    @markotoshich7676 2 місяці тому +9

    Gilbert Arenas projects when he says" dumbing down the game"...

    • @jOKIC1-fk5wh
      @jOKIC1-fk5wh 2 місяці тому

      Thats not an overstatement.

    • @LogicallyKnot
      @LogicallyKnot 2 місяці тому

      He was part of the dumbing down of the game. It started during his era.

  • @johnbarkley925
    @johnbarkley925 2 місяці тому +3

    A summary of Jokic's last four regular seasons
    1.
    2020-21 : 26.5 pts 10.8rebs , 8.3 ast (57% fg, 38% 3 ).
    Carried the injured Nuggets to the 3rd seed in the West. (Murray tore his ACL, Will Barton and Monte Morris missed a lot of games).
    In this season Jokic shot a whopping 14% more efficiently than Westbrook in his MVP season (twice the gap in efficiency between OKC Kd and Weetbrook).
    2. 2021-2022
    27/ 13.8/ 7.9/ 1.5 / 1 on 58%fg
    This season is beyond historic. He carried the depleted Nuggets to the Playoffs. No Murray, No Porter Jr and a bunch of g league players to 48 wins (6th seed in the West).
    He broke Wilt's player efficiency record season, led the league in every advanced stat and set new records (2000 points, 1000 rebounds, 500 assists in a season,
    the only player that is top ten in the league in 5 different total categories : points, rebounds, assists, steals, field goal percentage)
    3. 2022-23
    24.5/11.8/ 9.8 on 63%fg and 38% from 3
    Jokic was selected for 2nd team all NBA and finished second in the MVP race.
    As a result of Perkin's accusations Jokic last weeks of the season were less dominant than over the course of the season where at at one point in March he was averaging 25/12/10 on 60%fg/ 40% from 3.
    Jokic, for the first time with a healthy roster in his prime led the Nuggets to the 1st seed in the West.
    This season is the highest true shooting 20 point game season ever with 70%, surpassing Kd and Curry's most efficient seasons.
    4. 2023-24
    26/12.3/9 57%fg
    Jokic is as dominant as usual and once again he has the Nuggets as a top 2 seed in the difficult Western Conference. Jokic ranks fifth in total points, third in total rebounds, second in total assists.
    Jamal Murray missed roughly 20 games.
    In the past four seasons Jokic has been the best combination of floor raising, team value, dominance, efficiency and talent in the history of the NBA.

  • @gmatic8230
    @gmatic8230 2 місяці тому +4

    If Jokic was black this wouldn’t even be a narrative and we’d be talking about, “could Jokic overtake Lebron?”

    • @robija21000
      @robija21000 2 місяці тому +1

      I am white, but I think you are like 80% right. Other 20% is because he is not flashy and not look athletic :D He is modest. That's not a popular trait for a "star"

  • @VinOng-er6ks
    @VinOng-er6ks 2 місяці тому +4

    Thats 2nd mvp was given due to the fact murray and mpj were out due to injury and yet jok still managed to get a playoff spot.

  • @pointgreece4331
    @pointgreece4331 2 місяці тому +2

    Joker has cultivated the game of basketball and made a great reset.

  • @move_i_got_this5659
    @move_i_got_this5659 2 місяці тому +3

    Fake arguments on ESPN is why I stopped watching ESPN 14 years ago.
    The channel went from a happy “cool like the other side of the pillow” to being an argument 24/7.
    One person takes one side, another takes the other side of the same argument.
    Nonstop arguing.

  • @kris9145
    @kris9145 2 місяці тому +6

    Gilbert so salty that the 2 best players in NBA right now are white, jokic and luka should teabag him

  • @akeme25
    @akeme25 2 місяці тому +3

    The Nuggets were the 3-seed in the West when Jokic won his first MVP

  • @patrykpasterny7450
    @patrykpasterny7450 2 місяці тому +3

    Man saying without hesitation that 26/12/9 is not a historic statline is just outrageous and hilarious at the same time. If he looks at advanced stats throughout last 4 years it's a pure dominance on both offensive and defensive side. I totally can not get why American Media hate him so much.

  • @justinland1208
    @justinland1208 2 місяці тому +5

    Never go full Gilbert

  • @NA1c158
    @NA1c158 2 місяці тому +4

    I said it years ago. Nba culture is strong with the racism towards non blacks. Let's not mince. It's getting blatant and revolting.

  • @Realest1ne
    @Realest1ne 2 місяці тому +7

    It’s wild to me how the fact the Jokic was missing his 2nd and 3rd best players all year during his second MVP and still won almost 50 games escapes people.

    • @dthrust9037
      @dthrust9037 2 місяці тому

      You know how many mvps harden and bron would win off that standard?

    • @Realest1ne
      @Realest1ne 2 місяці тому

      @@dthrust9037 Name a season where either of them were missing their 2nd and 3rd options all season…

    • @dthrust9037
      @dthrust9037 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Realest1ne bron 2018 harden in 2019 was missing cp3 for over half the season and still won 50+ wins in the west but lost to Gianni’s.
      Curry put up one of the most efficient 30bpoint seasons of all time and tied Kobe’s record for most consecutive 30 point games and still didn’t get the mvp hell Kobe in 2006 go look at his numbers.
      Hell tbh tmac in 2002 would’ve got an mvp if judged under the same srandard

    • @Realest1ne
      @Realest1ne 2 місяці тому +2

      @@dthrust9037 Who was injured all year on Bron’s 2018 squad?? Also I said 2nd AND 3rd options. CP3 missed time yes but he still played about 60 games. MPJ played like 10 and Murray played zero. And that year you talking about with Curry, he didn’t even make the playoffs. So that’s irrelevant.

    • @Realest1ne
      @Realest1ne 2 місяці тому +2

      @@dthrust9037 And there is no official set standard for the MVP, that’s what yall don’t seem to understand. It’s voted on by different ppl with their own personal set of standards for what an MVP is or should be.

  • @leotorrejos2582
    @leotorrejos2582 2 місяці тому +1

    Gil is the perfect example of not because you played the game, you know everything about the game

  • @TommyWest.
    @TommyWest. 2 місяці тому +3

    I was most disturbed by Gilbert referring to Giannis as "Greek the Freak".

  • @HoopEnthusiasts
    @HoopEnthusiasts 2 місяці тому +18

    Gilbert arenas is delusional and xenophobic, u could make an argument that jokic shouldn’t have won that year but he deserved it, Giannis and embiid both had better cases in 2021 IMO

    • @malenurse1999
      @malenurse1999 2 місяці тому

      Gilbert Arenas is not xenophobic. He is a straight up racist

    • @nikolakrstic8079
      @nikolakrstic8079 2 місяці тому +12

      Jokic played like 20 games more than Embiid that year plus had a better year. Broke the PER record and others too. Also he didn't have Murray for last 20+ games and even went up in the standings without him. Giannis is a larger debate but Jokic won because of the things I said as he should have

  • @Pyroapollo145
    @Pyroapollo145 2 місяці тому +4

    Gil is just the modern day skip bayless except no one fights back

  • @BobbyPallit-jz5gu
    @BobbyPallit-jz5gu 2 місяці тому +5

    Leturnover James told him to say that

    • @jOKIC1-fk5wh
      @jOKIC1-fk5wh 2 місяці тому

      100%

    • @22s22a
      @22s22a 2 місяці тому

      Yall can't help yourselfs

  • @aleksandar8090
    @aleksandar8090 2 місяці тому

    Man...i love to watch your videos,you have that something, extra,that is needed for this tipe of work!
    Few days ago i go back to watch that video of your where you talk about Melo and jersey number...and Host Dic* raiding...man i was literally crying laughing 🤣
    Keep up the great work!

  • @chrisoppong5057
    @chrisoppong5057 2 місяці тому +8

    You are forgetting James Harden in Houston 2016/2017
    29 pts 11 assists 8.2 rebounds. Plus he had a great record and did not win it.

    • @aaronlampkin284
      @aaronlampkin284 2 місяці тому

      True. I''ve always said that Harden should have won Steph's first MVP. He will'd them to the WCF without Dwight for majority of that season. Harden should have been able to use the narrative Jokic had for his second MVP and he had a better record.

    • @kohsmoger1567
      @kohsmoger1567 2 місяці тому +3

      @@aaronlampkin284 That's ridiculous steph's impact for the warriors was insane in 2014-2015. You can't just look at the box score

    • @aaronlampkin284
      @aaronlampkin284 2 місяці тому

      @@kohsmoger1567 How am I looking at box score's when I'm stating facts?? Steph had 2 other all stars around him, Harden had none. Harden was also voted Most Valuable Player by his peers during the NBPA's inaugural awards in 2015. His own peers knew the truth. I watched the WHOLE season.

    • @kohsmoger1567
      @kohsmoger1567 2 місяці тому

      @@aaronlampkin284 Draymond didn't make the all star game that year. Look at the advanced stats. It obviously points to steph

    • @aaronlampkin284
      @aaronlampkin284 2 місяці тому

      @@kohsmoger1567 Yes he did in 2015. You got google. Atp you’re just yappin bro im done here.

  • @Pr0digy47
    @Pr0digy47 2 місяці тому +12

    Gilbert wants to say cuz he’s white I know it lol

    • @malenurse1999
      @malenurse1999 2 місяці тому

      Gilbert Arenas has said it because he’s white Gilbert Arenas is a racist pure and simple

  • @leptonparticle238
    @leptonparticle238 2 місяці тому +2

    Jokic's first MVP season was a shortened season. If you adjust their win percentage to a 82game season he had 50+ wins

  • @Ixodiusixi
    @Ixodiusixi 2 місяці тому +5

    There should be campfire songs written about Jokic if he keeps this up people who don't respect that look silly and its obvious.

  • @milangrujicic4679
    @milangrujicic4679 2 місяці тому +9

    Even AI would be ashamed of Arenas and would probably delete him from NBA history.

  • @ike_themission
    @ike_themission 2 місяці тому +1

    Best rebuttal video which deals with the points Gilbert makes as opposed to just listing Jokic stats. You sir have understood the assignment.

  • @mrfathed3129
    @mrfathed3129 2 місяці тому +8

    I want to give a shout out the the one crazy mofo that gave D Rose a first place MVP vote in 2021. I had forgotten about that until I was digging around after conversations flared up about this a couple nights ago.

  • @sleeve9097
    @sleeve9097 2 місяці тому +4

    If Jokic gets another MVP i’m putting him over KD all time

  • @seamusgreenmurphy
    @seamusgreenmurphy 2 місяці тому +4

    Dude I've been saying this for years but NBA "analysts" love creating random stats lists and using it as "evidence". I remeber during the Russ MVP year there was a line that was basically like "The First Player in NBA MVP running to score 3+ triple doubles during evening games against the spurs since MiChAeL jOrDaN!!! 😱😱😱" and they would act like these kind of manufactured stats meant anything 😂😂😂

    • @seamusgreenmurphy
      @seamusgreenmurphy 2 місяці тому +1

      "The first rookie player to have 25+ points by the end of the second quarter against an eastern team in the first five games since ALLEN IVERSON!!! 😱😱😱"

    • @M.L.official
      @M.L.official 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@seamusgreenmurphy"While wearing red underwear!"

  • @anirudhranjan2934
    @anirudhranjan2934 2 місяці тому +2

    "26/10/8... What's historic about that?" Sometimes I feel I know more ball then Gil. Obviously I don't, but I'm inclined to believe that I know better.

  • @user-fq2ff3qj1z
    @user-fq2ff3qj1z 2 місяці тому

    Great video ❤

  • @dinglbarry1275
    @dinglbarry1275 2 місяці тому +3

    Of course anyone with a modicum of common sense knows what this guy is doing. He has a blatant bias against Jokic and is trying to build an artificial construct to make his bias fit and it's laughably absurd. It borders on mental illness because most of us could see what he's doing. How does he not know that we know what he's doing. I'm embarrassed for the guy... it's cringie.

  • @l.a.6337
    @l.a.6337 2 місяці тому +3

    Im pretty sure that Gilbert Arenas ALWAYS thinks he is smarter than everyone in the room

  • @donaldolaurenceo751
    @donaldolaurenceo751 2 місяці тому

    my favorite UA-camr with great consistent uploads

  • @nahheio
    @nahheio 2 місяці тому +2

    Him saying it should’ve been Giannas even though he had a WORSE record was hard to watch. Second hand embarrassment

  • @SamuelMills-ez4jo
    @SamuelMills-ez4jo 2 місяці тому +3

    Definitely not the worse but at gil is consistent, he could easily say nash is the worse but suns finshed top 1st in standing.

  • @mlrd2687
    @mlrd2687 2 місяці тому +3

    One thing separates Gilbert Arenas from other famous basketball players. I read a lot of comments about him and I noticed that there is no basketball player in the world whom people call an idiot, a clown, a racist and a xenophobe more often. 😂

  • @sportsactuary8574
    @sportsactuary8574 2 місяці тому +2

    In my judgment, the 3 best centers to play in the NBA are Wilt, Kareem, and Jokic.

  • @yodscreations5956
    @yodscreations5956 2 місяці тому +1

    It hurts listening to Gil sometimes

  • @adamrodriguez6101
    @adamrodriguez6101 2 місяці тому +3

    Gil is racist straight up

    • @SamuelMills-ez4jo
      @SamuelMills-ez4jo 2 місяці тому +1

      By that logic would go at dirk and Nash and bird but he doesn't

    • @jay1jayf
      @jay1jayf 2 місяці тому

      @@SamuelMills-ez4jo He literally trash talks people because they're white, watch the show.

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому +2

      He loves Luka tho

    • @jay1jayf
      @jay1jayf 2 місяці тому

      @@JoseFranco9 he thinks trae young just as good as luka, CAP

    • @JoseFranco9
      @JoseFranco9 2 місяці тому

      @@jay1jayf FR? Lmao

  • @official_7313
    @official_7313 2 місяці тому

    Very good video. Thank you

  • @leptonparticle238
    @leptonparticle238 2 місяці тому +2

    If you want to say he shouldn't have won it, then you have to say who should have. His first season was not a question, no other candidate had fhe record + stats like Jokic. The second one Jokic was a 6seed in the west without his 2 best teammates and with a statline of 27 14 and 8, while analytically he cleared everyone by a mile. So it's still a deserving MVP, thiugh you can argue with the Nuggets record.

  • @cameronvalencia6023
    @cameronvalencia6023 2 місяці тому

    Great video. This needed to be said.

  • @theirishbandit7301
    @theirishbandit7301 2 місяці тому +1

    You gonna say this to Shay Shay’s face while he’s straight up wearing a Denver shirt?? Come on Gilbert 🤦‍♂️

  • @cornbreadmilton5265
    @cornbreadmilton5265 2 місяці тому +1

    We been through da Joker slander last yr

  • @michaelmcphee2006
    @michaelmcphee2006 2 місяці тому +2

    I feel like everybody has forgotten what the arguments were for Jokic. By the advanced stats he had arguably the greatest statistical season ever.

  • @acaNBG1980
    @acaNBG1980 2 місяці тому +2

    Last time it was Perkins, now it's Arenas, next year will be someone else, etc...

  • @beardedshadow
    @beardedshadow 2 місяці тому +2

    I think it comes down to two things, for Arenas (and many Americans): Jokic isn't a flashy player; he's not high-flying and exciting in that way; and he's not American. Americans do not like it when a non-Americans dominates their sport. If Jokic was American, he would garner way more support and praise.

  • @Ruthless_Ways
    @Ruthless_Ways 2 місяці тому +13

    Jokic the greatest MVP we have ever seen in a long time.

    • @SamuelMills-ez4jo
      @SamuelMills-ez4jo 2 місяці тому +3

      Calm down lol. Won mvp finishing 6th in the west plus can't get past 2nd round without mury. Giannas won mvp and defensive player of the year.

    • @user-pi5ew6jj2q
      @user-pi5ew6jj2q 2 місяці тому +5

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@SamuelMills-ez4johad the best record in the league I think, he won a championship last year, and was arguably the best player until March, and the only reason he didn’t win was cause Joel kept crying to the media, cause no one wanted the big white foreign man to win 3 in a row.

    • @jOKIC1-fk5wh
      @jOKIC1-fk5wh 2 місяці тому +1

      @@SamuelMills-ez4jo At least the Nuggets drafted Murray which is the old school way rather than the LeBandwagon way.

    • @Ruthless_Ways
      @Ruthless_Ways 2 місяці тому +1

      @SamuelMills-ez4jo that's not even a good argument to make. Of course the best players of any Era had help winning championships lol.

    • @Thomas-dk6uq
      @Thomas-dk6uq 2 місяці тому

      @@SamuelMills-ez4joYou almost described last years MVP. He finished 3rd and got bounced in the 2nd.

  • @zombie92110
    @zombie92110 2 місяці тому

    I was waiting for this one

  • @jaybird9112
    @jaybird9112 2 місяці тому

    Was waiting for this one

  • @dinglbarry1275
    @dinglbarry1275 2 місяці тому +2

    And these goofballs who cling to the word tripple double in of itself. If someone average 9.3 assists or has a game where they have crazy high points and rebounds, but only 9 assists, it's somehow a failure. Somehow if they were to get that 1 assist the heavens would part and music plays and a players game magically becomes great when that one 9 stat becomes 10. The degree of stupidity that exists in sports analysis is more than I'm able to take on a regular basis... I would go crazy like this anti jokic dude. Tripple double in of itself is just a little fun metric. At the end of the day it's representative of a player doing well in multiple categories. You could go game by game where a player has a near tripple double vs a tripple double and odds are those triple double games aren't going to be anymore impressive on average then the near tripple double games. Naturally due to Jokic's game and skill set, he's almost always going to be at or around a tripple double. It's already impressive.

  • @user-lt1fx2he5s
    @user-lt1fx2he5s 2 місяці тому

    It’s not just about dominating the game and the league but also making your teammates better

  • @lenerdkawhy7702
    @lenerdkawhy7702 2 місяці тому +2

    Gil almost, NOT DID, won nothing. Oh hold up. He DID win nothing. That's totally Agent Zero.

  • @Retroloft556
    @Retroloft556 2 місяці тому +2

    Shannon's face lol

  • @risingphoenix1484
    @risingphoenix1484 2 місяці тому

    I remember a time when it was the only great players and champions that used to be allowed to have a platform to decide who were the greats.

  • @davidanoka-ayembe4258
    @davidanoka-ayembe4258 2 місяці тому +1

    Why do people keep rounding Jokic’s rebounds down. How does 10.8 go to 10?

  • @bojanknezevic5254
    @bojanknezevic5254 2 місяці тому

    Thank you, nice video man >)

  • @JayyBanks
    @JayyBanks 2 місяці тому +1

    Gil is making the same argument Nick Wright has made against Joker. But Gil is not using as much detailed logic as Nick.

  • @Dee-ih2yf
    @Dee-ih2yf 2 місяці тому

    Excellent rebuttal! Someone did his homework on the stats. Someone else didn't. Good job, man!!

  • @justinjones5296
    @justinjones5296 2 місяці тому +1

    Best/ Best used to be the only criteria for MVP and it used to be a team award. Arenas' overall argument is correct, but his specifics are off-kilter....during the TV expansion of the NBA the best player on the best team won the award...the mvp was a team award, not an individual award...this would give 2 options every year, a player from the East or a player from the West....the reason for this is because the number 1 seed had a massive advantage in going deeper into the playoffs and the league would cash in on the facetime of the MVP making a deep playoff run....the year Novitski won the MVP as a number 1 seed and got bounced in the first round is when they rethought the process. Also nowadays we are not in the tv expansion era nor do players even care about the number 1 seed.
    We are currently more in a trolling online era and the writers and MVP voters are only concerned about growing their own brand as opposed to voting with tradition. That is why they keep voting for the wrong guy because it gives the writers like Mannix more facetime to argue his position while simultaneously making more intelligent or grounded people feel bad. Mannix will continually say, "well i have a vote and you dont....well i have a vote and you dont" every time he tries to argue his point not caring about tradition or even if his vote is in the right place....
    There are multiple factors involved, but mainly the players do not care about the number 1 seed which has shifted the care they have for a traditional MVP...