It's such a strange argument to give it to someone else because Jokic hasn't been successful in the finals. When was the last time Embiid made it into the finals?
@@JustCallMeRockthe Lakers were an anomaly: they had a record below 45 but that was because they had a bad team composition until the end of the tradeline, after that they managed to build a good and solid team and If you take the record after the end of the tradeline you'll get one above 45
@@JustCallMeRock To be fair the west was so stacked that any team could’ve lost, so u can’t really say that it was easy. I mean 7th seed that nobody thought would make the play in made it to the cf, and did it kinda easily.
In my personal opinion I knew this race was a joke when the media kept accusing Jokic of stat padding while Embiid was bragging about his ppg in interviews directly after losses 😂
Embiid went on social and whining about stats to get everyone's attention. Meanwhile, Jokic deleted his social media because it's "a waste of time". That's how vastly different their mentality is. One is a jealous kid with big talent, another is a mature dad with the right mindset for life.
Once the MVP became a distraction Jokic sat out games because of an “injury”. He doesn’t care about individual awards, he was focused on the Finals and ended up winning the WCF and Finals MVP.
@@patriciamccormick9321 I don't think he really cares about anything the media thinks to be honest. It honestly seems like this is just an office job to fund his hobbies like raising horses. He does what they tell him to, usually doesn't throw a fuss, and does it well.
They really tried to make it about Jokic's race as if become the best center in the NBA out of Serbia(a country I guarantee most NBA fans and analysts couldn't find on a map) is somehow easier than what Embiid or any other player did. Being great is hard, breaking out as a foreign player is even harder.
Just pathetic to make it about race. So horrible that they did this and tried to race bait the mvp race and n the NBA. Politics should not exist in sports. But it does far too much. Just disgusting
Not really it was just about the Sixers having a better record than the Nuggets as well as Embid having more points than Jokic as well as Jokic's deficiencies on defense that aren't really his fault since he can't increase his athleticism.As well as the Nuggets not deserving the #1 seed due to teams like the Lakers and Warriors faltering in the reg season. That was really the main narrative since the MVP is a regular season award and many believed the Sixers were gonna make a huge playoff push. Perkins was just out of pocket with that bullshit 😂 he's main goal was probably to just get reactions like what Skip Bayles does with his nonsense
@@VClllIkr the worst part is that there were so many other ways to argue for an MVP for Embid without that bullshit that he calls a narrative and he chose race 🤦🏾♂️
As soon as Jokic got into the finals I no longer saw anyone mentioning the media talking about Jokic never being to the finals affecting a regular season award. Literally all I remembered was how some media members were saying: “jokic doesn’t have post season success” and once he got to the finals it was radio silence, if you bring it up, embiid cock riders didn’t say it happened. And I was like: wtf? It’s clear whose always been better now. Someone who did well without help, Vs someone who almost always had help.
@@string7135e’s saying that because embiid did not pass the expectations of him/didn’t play well enough in the playoffs. But so has the last 8 MVPs since curry. What happens in the playoffs should be irrelevant. Great white hope/jokic fanboys are so hypocritical
@@justinholland6132 Did ya not watch the video? Idiots saying Jokic shouldn't win the MVP in 2023 because he's not had success in the postseason. You said the postseason should be irrelevant to the MVP voting but these media idiots were holding post season failure against Jokic while voting for Embiid who hasn't made it past the 2nd round. And somehow Jokic fans are hypocritical? 🤣Ok.
I think the best thing is Jokic’s humbleness and respect on full display. He defended Embiid after all the backlash in the playoffs and stated that he believed Embiid deserved the award more. This is even after Embiid’s and media attacks on Jokic.
We're likely going to get a 4th and maybe a 5th part. Problem is that the debate over who's better is dead since Embiid has been labeled a playoff choker and Jokic had one of the most dominant postseason performances in history capped off with a ring and FMVP.
As a Nuggets fan, I’m glad Embiid won MVP this year because the last couple years, everyone has been making out Jokic to be the villain and trashing him. Now that Embiid has won MVP it’s the other way around. Glad Jokic is able to back up his two MVPs. Would much rather have champions than MVPs
Celtics fan here, Joker got robbed for sure and got caught in NBA politics. Jordan, kobe, LeBrons people in the league did not want Joker to have 3 mvps.
The reason why Jokic’s championship was brought up as a “see, he should’ve won the MVP award” is cause the two main arguments that gave Embiid the MVP award were “he deserves to be on the scoreboard with Giannis and Jokic”, and “How can we give Jokic the MVP when he chokes in the playoffs”. They tried to say Embiid was a playoffs riser while Jokic was was a playoffs dropper or some shit.
It's funny because Jokic never choked in the playoffs, the team around him just was never enough, he was always missing players or the guys he had just weren't playoff scorers. But he himself always had great stats in the playoffs including effiency
Not only did Jokić not choke, but he was noticeably better in the playoffs. He's a leader through and through. Couple of points more on average for Embiid means nothing. And as for defense, Jokić is absolutely a better overall defender than Joel Embiid. Embiid is a better time protector, but that's about it. Outside players humiliate him each and every game, especially come playoffs. Criticizing Jokić for lack of so called "athleticism" is just a critic of him being a white man, because defensively he's above Embiid for sure.
@@d3adyoutubeaccount No, it makes my argument - argumented. Embiid is not only a worse defender than Jokić, but he's way worse. Analitics don't lie. Jokić is a top 15 defender in the NBA.
I don't have an issue with Embiid winning the MVP award but the toxicity of the media attacks on Jokić from the likes of Nick Wright, Kendrick Perkins, the majority of the FS1 line up etc. that he only wins because he is white, he is a stat padder, he is the worst MVP in history, has cheapened the award, is only rated by calculators etc. was disgraceful
It’s the toxicity combined with a sense of entitlement where they can never admit they had a poor take in the first place. They never actually apologize to jokic they only just make a new take that’s slightly more positive
Exactly! I am not mad that Jokić didn't win his 3rd straight MVP as arguably Giannis should have won his 3rd straight instead of Jokić as well. In either case, Jokić deserved 2 MVPs so far. What I don't like is slander from the media. I remember the fight with Morris as well where only Shaq and Barkley stood with Jokić while everyone else in the media was on Morris's side. Not to mention "the worst MVP in the last 35 years" comment, stat padding accusations and countless other dumb attacks by the media.
The reason people cite Jokić's incredible playoff run against Embiid's now signature choke-job is because the principle argument for Embiid is that he's actually the better player. This season proved, beyond all doubt, that he's not even close.
@@taj3618 he has several records and has achieve more now than most do in a full career. he is top 10 easily. Shaq one of the biggest bigman haters said "true definition of a great player." "This guy is super impressive as a big man, and I'm happy I got to see him live,"
@@taj3618 I cant order them but, MJ, Kobe, Lebron, joker, bird, kareem, magic, hakeem, 2000s shaq and im not sure who else, last spot has too many i wanna put.
It wasn't just that Embiid won over the more deserving Jokic, but it was how he and the media got him that MVP. Bro literally couldn't stop talking about how he was "robbed" and idiots like Kendrick Perkins and Nick Wright downplayed Jokic's season all year long. Hell, you have guys like Mark Jackson leaving Jokic completely off of his ballot. Yeah, they don't like the Joker.
Mark Jackson needs to have his vote revoked after what he did. That's honestly bullshit. There's no excuse of "oh he just made a mistake". Nope. You don't make mistakes at that level. If you haven't heard about jokic, that's on you. He's reigning MVP, and now a champion. I don't care if he votes for jokic henceforth every single year, he does not deserve to keep his voting privilege.
This video is dope because I thought I was the only person who felt this way, I'm a fan who thought Kobe was shafted multiple times but not Embid, he just isn't it right now. Jocic should've had his third MVP this year. Period.
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He's the Ichiro-meets-Messi of the NBA right now. Jokic is not just great in context of the modern game, but also as an outsider-innovator. The structure of basketball has to be played differently when a big can play like a false nine in soccer, attacking space and drawing out defenses. He's making others adjust to him.
Believe me, Nikola is not competing with anyone for any award, he just works hard to win the game, unless it's about horses. Greetings from Sombor, Vojvodina, Serbia🇷🇸
Correction ... he is competing with himself only, cos no one else comes close. Embiid winning the award is the biggest joke of the decade, which includes a bubble title. And ppl wonder why NBA ratings are so poor.
Funny how post season success suddenly mattered when it came to giving Jokic MVP, so they give it to Embiid who has yet to make it past the 2nd round lol
It’s actually so sad to see that Jokic got CHEATED out of his 3rd mvp because a shitty narrative from Kendrick Perkins of all people got to the voters and they had to give it to Embiid to avoid backlash
@@AntoineLHostRon i believe that, I genuinely thought Embiid was the best player in the league in ‘21 and ‘22, and I didn’t really like Jokic winning mvp as a 6th seed but this year shouldn’t have even been close honestly
@@Taytona1011 I believe that in the regular season at least, Embiid had a case against Jokic for being the better player. Obviously a better scorer and more impactful defender, yet Jokic maybe offered so much more offensively that Jokic was better than Embiid. Just a opinion though.
Embiid clearly did not deserve the MVP this season. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an MVP awarded more undeservingly and handed out of pity. I seriously don’t know how you could argue that he was the better player. Jokic should have won his 3rd straight MVP but the media did not allow it. Edit: Just finished the video. Well done! Very detailed!
@@iceinmyveins7521He had less wins, worse FG and TS%, less assists and rebounds; AND he ducked Jokic head to head the same weekend he went on a media tour begging for the award. There's only two universes where Embiid deserved MVP over Jokic. The universe where the scoring title is MVP and the universe where the player with most FTs is the MVP. People like you that are so adamant about defending it make it more clear, 2023's MVP wasn't about who was most valuable, it was about 'who's really good and hasn't had a turn yet'.
It only looked close because Embiid and Giannis had much higher usage rates. To me the same or similar impact using fewer possessions would be more valuable.
The narrative around Jokic not having playoff success has always confused me. Jamal Murray, the Nuggets' clear 2nd best player missed all of the '21 AND '22 playoffs. MPJ missed all of the '22 playoffs. The only time Jokic and Murray played together, at ages 25 and only 23(!), they lost in the conference finals to the eventual champion Lakers. Most big players will get some credit for doing what they can with an injury-riddled team, just not Jokic.
@@taj3618 Let`s not act like the 6th seed actually matters, considering there was only like a 3 game difference between 6th and 2th(While Embiid had a way better team btw.)
@@thetruth4654 it was an 8 game difference. And it does matter. How often does a player win mvp on the 6th seed? Embiid had the better team but that due to injuries. They weren’t world beaters
@taj3618 This season alone, I've seen 20+ sports commentators criticize Jokic and/or say he didn't deserve this MVP because of his lack of playoff success...
Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis all had great seasons, and this was supposedly the “closest mvp race in years.” Embiid winning by a landslide vote showed exactly where the bias was from the media.
@@PlanetOfTheApes999 that makes no sense LMAO white people swear they persecuted...... its called voter fatigue & jokic hadnt won anything up until this season there have been quite a few examples of people not winning multiple MVPs even though they deserved it because they always fell short in the playoffs. Please leave being american or race out of the basketball talks (we all know steve nash won 2 mvps that he shouldnt have over black american born black players and he is a white guy from canada)
@@gnomechomsky2524narrative based award statistically they wereall similar but Embiid closed out the season better than Giannis and especially Jokic and was the only one out of the 3 to not win the award all 3 had dominant seasons and deserved to win but just because Jokic won in the playoffs doesn’t mean Embiid didn’t deserve his MVP
The problem with saying it’s just a regular season award is the fact that Jokic’s lack of a championship was a HUGE narrative reason to not give him a 3peat MVP, but on the other hand, people were completely ignoring the fact that Embiid is the only MVP ever to not get to so much as the conference finals. A lot of people including most sixers fans switched up on that after Embiid choked in game 7
It’s a regular season award tf you talking about? The playoffs had nothing to do with either one getting or not getting the award my god you people are clowns🤡🤡🤡🤡
Prior to this season and Jokic winning a championship, they had very similar careers and it amazes me how much the media favors Embiid. Embiid had never made the conference finals where Jokic had, they both struggled through missing teammates for one reason or another during seasons where they were both relatively favored to win their conferences. But all of these factors were somehow used to favor Embiid this year- Jokic’s lack of playoff success (ignoring going further in the playoffs than Embiid), media siding with Simmons issues over Murray and Porter injuries. I’m not surprised , but I am amazed.
The Nuggets werent "struggling" to end the year. They smoked memphis and essentially locked up the 1 seed and started coasting. A couple of the big games in there like vs Milwaukee they'd turn the burners back on. That kind of stuff is what made Nuggets fans red hot in the playoffs.
Let me get this straight: the argument against Jokic for the MVP is that he struggled in the playoffs in previous seasons, even though it's a regular season award, that is based on how they do this season. (We all know the real argument against him, but even the fake arguments don't make sense lol)
Let's go even further. Jokic numbers go up in playoffs, meanwhile the "MVP" have a consistent drop off of at least 8 points, grabbing less boards, giving less assists,shooting worse and having a hell lot of turnovers
Even though it’s a regular season award, people tend to look at great prior post season to see if a players stats are “empty numbers” or a real contribution to the team. The idea being that if you can’t win (or at least give a valiant effort) with it all on the line you aren’t as good as the numbers look. Not really fair but also not totally illogical.
Black people can't stand to be reminded that white boys can dominate a game white people invented - especially if that white boy comes from Europe. They aren't complex people. Petty and violent, mostly.
The other thing is that Embiid keeps boasting that he's the greatest player in the NBA and deserves the MVP and much, much more. He's arrogant and selfish. Jokic and Giannis never behave this way, and they were the ones that played well enough in the regular season to be deserving of a shot at the MVP.
I also like the way Giannis thanked his fired coach on Twitter for 5 positive years together on the Bucks. Not a Bucks fan but Giannis comes across as a decent human being as well as a great player. In the meantime ... Devin Booker pissing on his fired coach on Twitter .... Embiid blaming his teammates for losing to Boston.
What turned me off about Embiid was the interview he did about Jokic saying all these things about a guy who has never said anything bad about Embiid, if anything Jokic has always talked nicely about him. What tops it all off was when Embiid said "what has he accomplished?" Wtf? How can he say that when Joel hasn't even been past the 2nd round while Jokic at least made the WCF.
@@MineFullStopThat's why I don't like him at all. He could be the greatest player ever who played the game, but he's gonna be remembered as a lousy human being. Slandering Joker behind his back and throwing teammates under the bus. Excuses and not taking responsibility for anything. Pitiful.
@@fox_mulder24 I have to wonder whether his awful personality is why he can't lead his team to victory in the playoffs. It's easy to dominate weak teams during the regular season, but you need to have strong leadership to win in the playoffs.
NBA Media: Jokic should not win a 3rd MVP since he lacks playoff success Also NBA Media: Lets give it to a guy who has been stuck in conference semi-finals purgatory. As much as I hate popular vote, maybe the former is a better option than letting these idiots choose the MVP.
What I love about this whole debate is how little Jokic cares. The one finals and two regular MVPs are probably sitting at the back of his shed behind a pile of horseshoes and sugar cubes
heck, i dont think he himself knows where his finals mvp trophy is! he passed it to a staff and never bothered asking about it again as far as the news i know of goes
@@foocw Thing is, he will care about all the awards he gathers after he's retired. Some players get completely zoned in to a pro sport as just being their day job in order to relieve the pressure. Ronnie O'Sullivan is a good example of that in Snooker, goes on about how he doesn't really care if he wins or not, just wants to enjoy the game... but you can tell that's a lie, he just tells himself that but his competitiveness shines through in game. Joker is the same, except he just plays it all off. Basketball is a 15-20 year career at best. After that you've got a long life to live, and you can enjoy all of your success then, just like any other job, where you work for a long time, then you get your pension and do what you want.
@@ass640 You think? He seems to have his life away from basketball pretty much figured out. I'm sure he'll look back with fond memories, but I doubt he cares as much as some of the other greats about the MVP. The culture he comes from is far different than US culture so he might just be chasing winning the championship and not care too much about individual awards, I don't think he's playing it off as much as you think he is.
@@ass640 There is absolutely no way that's true. In 10 years when Jokic retires, the public will not hear from him. He will be doing what he enjoys and he might show up for some celebratory NBA/Nuggets nights.
Crazy how Jokic went to his first WCF while Joel is a constant first/second round exit , yet people slam jokic for his “success” Joel cried for MVP and people ran with it.
@@leonardoyi3183 I think that's what he's saying, Jokic had already gone to a CF whereas Embiid hadn't, and yet people were like "Jokic can't win again when he's not gone to a finals...let's give it to Embiid"
Im sorry but if one of the arguments for Jokic not winning a third straight MVP is because the “lack” of playoff success, then the argument of “we can’t take away from Embiid’s season because he choked in the playoffs” is incorrect. If it affects one, then it MUST affect the other.
White guy: criticized when he fails, criticized when he succeeds but his team fails, criticized when he succeeds and his team is world champions. Black guy: praised when he fails, praised when his team fails, praised when he succeeds, worshipped if his team wins a championship, still praised when he inevitably beats his girlfriend.
7:54 *why does the POST SEASON, matter for a REGULAR season award* that’s the biggest question with EVERY MVP run ever. if the MVP is a REGULAR season award, why are we bringing up the playoff shortcomings?
I thought that too until I realized who has been creating all the Jokic hate narratives and likely put Porkins up to it. He’s just a hired media goon. But they should all be ashamed of themselves.
@@jesstiss222 Ya I have no problem with building a narrative and being hyperbolic but we don't need lying and race hustling (we get enough of that from regular media outlets) First Perkins said Jokic was "stat padding" which was ridiculous, but the racial narrative was absolutely absurd
It’s only toxic and has been toxic because of Embiid and his fans. Oh and his propagandists in the media. There really has never been a basketball argument as to why he is better or more deserving of the mvp over Jokic or Giannis. Even the people that finally voted for him this year said it was because he should get at least one cause the other two have two mvps. But he ain’t a better defender than Giannis or better offensive player than Jokic. I’m glad this finals run also finally proved to EVERYONE that the gap between Jokic on offense is massive while the defensive gap is not that big. It’s literally just shot blocking and nothing else. Voters robbed basketball fans of an even more historic run by not giving the mvp to the actual most deserving player.
The gap on defense is large if you ask me, watched Jokic the whole playoff run, he doesn’t alter nearly as many shots, and guys attack with pure confidence it’s beyond just the blocks. Outside of that, yeah the gap is huge offensively
@@zod548I feel like Jayson Tatum absolutely playing with Embiid for a record setting game 7 kind of refutes that argument that the gap is so amazingly large.
@@zod548Jokic has a better DBPM, Defensive WS and Defensive RTG throughout his entire career than Embiid. Embiid’s defense just looks flashy because he blocks a lot of shots.
Saying Jokic doesn’t deserve it because he hasn't had playoff success and then giving it to Embiid, who even before this year's playoffs hadn't ever made it as far as Jokic in the playoffs before is enough proof for how reliable these "experts" are.
@@cappy2282He even said that the game against Jokic in Philly was his personal Superbowl. Jokic treated it like a regular season game but to Joel, it was his final.
@@astriddececco3005 Jokic wasn't even healthy that game and treated it like any other, and still got off to an early 15pt lead. Sixers were force feeding Embiid as much as they could, and weren't able to pull away until they went for broke and just started chucking up threes.
Honestly this seasons mvp race should make people look at a lot of media personalities as sources that should never be taken serious. Just say anything to paint an ugly narrative ☹️
99% of people in basketball media can't be taken seriously. Especially those at the top, they talk for clicks and hate engagement not actual discussion and analysis.
The worst thing is that the 2023 mvp doesn't even help Embiid that much, it only harms Jokic massively. If Jokic had that 3 in a row stat, it leapfrogs him into top 20 debates and even top 15 debates, and theres even an argument for it being the greatest 3 year stretch from a player if he got it (3 mvps in a row, 1 ring, 1 fmvp, only 1 chance to make a post-season run with a fully healthy team and winning in that run, all on historic efficiency)
I was under the impression Embiid won because of the last month and a half of the season. The voting seems to not align with that. How could it be so one sided when Giannis’s team was way ahead of everyone for most of the year, the Nuggets were number 1 in the West for the whole year? Embiid’s defense was great, but it wasnt so spectacular that it outshined Giannis’s defense. Jokic definitely was not bad defensively this year. Embiid was the leading scorer, averaging over 30, but is that so much more valuable than guys that averages more rebounds and assists with better records? In the case of Jokic, the difference in assists is insane, in the case of Giannis, there’s only like 2 points separating them.
I think it’s cause Embiid played more games than Giannis and the Sixers had a better record than the Nuggets, even tho they led the West. It really came down to voter fatigue. I think a lot of people felt Embiid should’ve won 1 of the previous 2 MVPs so they had to give him this 1
@@Va11idus 1) it’s a 16 game sample size 2) look at who they played and you’ll see most of the games were against non playoff teams 3) Giannis team also had winning record without him. You’re not going to the Bucks are better without Giannis
I still have no idea why talking heads like Perkins get to have an MVP vote. Mark Jackson, being the idiot he is, left Jokic off his MVP ballot. There needs to be a better voting pool for NBA awards especially now as a players salary is tied down to the fact if he gets into the All NBA teams.
I think it is extremely cowardly how Embiid chose to sit out against Jokic and also stat pads at the ends of game. The reason i would say Jokic is more deserving is because he does whatever he can not for individual awards or stats, but so his team can win. He shows up, and even when he missed the last few games of the season it was so he could go on a run in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Embiid begs for the ball from Harden at the end of the game to stat pad and cries to the media that he deserves MVP.
They just lost game 6 because he stopped demanding the ball, so which is it? And there’s no way he’s scared of Jokic, if anything I’m sure he’d love to play him every game considering how dominant he was, but he definitely cannot seem to handle the altitude
@@matija9540 it’s literal facts, he can’t play in the altitude, it’s not a matter of facing Jokic himself , hence why he can play in Philly but not Denver , Embiid isn’t a guy in great shape with as much stamina as Jokic
So Giannis and jokic didn’t get 3 straight because of voter fatigue and playoff success but embiid can win it over Giannis and jokic without getting out the East wtf is that about
I also like the way Giannis thanked his fired coach on Twitter for 5 positive years together on the Bucks. Not a Bucks fan but Giannis comes across as a decent human being as well as a great player. In the meantime ... Devin Booker pissing on his fired coach on Twitter .... Embiid blaming his teammates for losing to Boston.
I believe we as fans were robbed of what could’ve been, the greatest season ever played by a center. Jokić shut down the last 1.5 months because of the race narrative in the MVP vote anyone that watched the team all year understands this. He would have played to stay in the first seed.However,The NBA was robbed by a racist / anti Jokić narrative .
@@simless282 this was a much better MVP choice compared to the Embiid vs Jokic though. In 2020, statistically Jokic was more or less the same as Giannis given that Jokic played more games. This time, Embiid only had ppg in his side given that he is a foul merchant who got exposed in the playoffs. You can ignore the playoffs part and still my point stands.
If the MVP is based on the regular season and the post season is not supposed to be a factor, then why did the media keep bringing up Jokic's lack of Finals appearances as a mark against him? Great video BTW👍
Embid's MVP reminds me of the MVP that David Robinson won in 1995 and then Olajuwon humiliated him in the playoffs Embid didn't play against Jokic but this aged poorly in a week
The only difference is that I think there was a stronger argument for the Admiral than there was for Embiid. There's definitely a comparison to be made there though.
@@pittland44 Exactly. Dave and Shaq was the one gunning for MVP back then. Olajuwon's Houston was really struggling that season but found the magic button in the playoffs. MVP is a regular season award so makes sense to give it to Dave Robinson. Unlike when Embiid's Sixers is not the top seed while the Nuggets were obviously the #1 team this season. (Heck, even Giannis winning it this year is probably argument as Bucks is top at East).
@@chronicle_4 Was that the year Dave and Shaq were in the race for the scoring title as well? Because they were both on fire at that point. Then what you said happened, Olajuwon and the Rockets turned on the jets in the playoffs and that was all she wrote.
I just don't get the "eye test" and "boring to watch" criticisms. He's so much fun to watch, and compared to Embiid flopping every game & shooting 15 free throws it's no contest who I'd rather sit down and watch.
@@navonmyhand7999 The "eye test" is all about race to people like Kendrick. They're racists who can't stand the idea of a white serbian guy being the best player in the world, and pretty much a top 10 player of all time now.
And to clarify for ppl who don't know, Embiid leads in scoring volume but not efficiency. So Embiid is not really a better scorer but just took more shots where passing might be a better option.
Yep. Jokic (while only .1 point better) has the better PER. He also has 2.6 more Win Shares, probably Embiid's most damning deficiency as this simply proves Jokic was more important to his team. Edited for continuity.
The funniest part of this whole thing is that Jokic clearly doesn’t care about the debate. He just wants to play basketball and win championships. Meanwhile Embiid is out here complaining
@@themsuicjunkies facts lol, he even didn't care about his finals MVP trophy and left it on the podium. And the most funny thing is on some interview, he said he wants to go home ASAP after the championship parade 😂
Great timeline review of this madness! One critical (imo) point everyone leaves out, Embiid didn’t just duck that one matchup in Denver - he’s only played in Denver TWICE! Once in 2014 and once in 2019, not to mention never getting past the 2nd round of the semifinals. What kind of accolades has he *earned*? But he got his lil binky so whatevs. Tarnished popularity award indeed, thanks Embiid
I mean Embiid has legitimately been injured or sick in most of those matchups, and didn’t even play his first NBA game until the 2016-17 season so you’re just flat out wrong there. However, i do think he ducked the latest matchup
My problem is that there is no clear criteria for the award. Sometimes it’s most valuable to their team, best team, best stats, whose game is the most fun for fans, or best story. It’s a very subjective award and every mvp award can be controversial
If I were in Jokic's shoes, I would officially declare retreat from any future MVP race and wouldn't accept the trophy even if every so - called expert vote in my favor. He doesn't need to be bothered by the comments of the people who have never touched a basketball, or they have thought it is a football.
People took the mvp away from Jokic because they don’t like it when the same player wins all the time, it’s like when the warriors went bad after KD left for a bit l. Jokic should be a 3 time mvp but Embiid started a media movement to help him win it
Glad more people also noticed Jokic visibly tuned out by the mvp race ( and basketball as a whole imo) when the conversation took that ugly turn in march. Seemed obvious that Embiid was winning it. Also is Embiid winning another mvp amd then a ring like two centers prior?
Honestly, the dip in form for the Nuggets in the last 15 or so games of last season was two things; Jokic coasting to rest his body and Jokic tanking his mvp chances. The narrative had become so caustic (thanks Perk) that he knew if he won, it would get WORSE. All he wanted to do was win a championship for himself, his teammates, his coaches, team owners and fans. The mvp became a distraction and a potential threat to their focus in the playoffs. He intentionally tanked his mvp chances. He doesn’t care about individual accolades and he is good friends with Embiid anyway so let his friend get one while he gets the OTHER MVP award, which he did.
It does matter because we got screwed out of witnessing history. We could have watched a player get his 3rd straight for first time in 30years then top that off with a historic playoff run and Finals MVP. But too many people were more concerned about who did or didn't win 3 straight in the past instead of rewarding the person that truly had the best regular season.
facts.. facts and education, Jokic shoulda never lost this mvp that's awful. I mean the numbers he put up must be the greatest individual stat line in NBA history.
Let’s be honest, no matter who won, this mvp race wouldn’t have reached levels of toxic if Perkins didn’t open his damn mouth for clicks, at this point I feel sorry for embiid that this overshadowed the award
Bro drose should not be highlighted. Joakim and Boozer both missed like half of the season , the bulls still had the best record in the nba , that was the real reason he won the mvp.
Let's not forget, Mark Jackson left Jokic completely off the MVP ballot. He really thought other people were gonna join him after Perkin's take about Jokic being white.
@@Chigz10Him voting Jokic for the past 2 years is never an excuse for leaving him out of his MVP ballot. Jokic deserved to be voted for this year whether it's 1,2,3,4,5 it doesn't matter but he is and in fact within top 3 or top 5 this season consistently. It is a big disrespect to leave him out of voting. The hell, even other media personality that is against Jokic included him. For me that is pure disrespect from Mark Jackson and he should not give that crap excuse of him not remembering Jokic during voting. He owned his mistake but he is just proving the point of majority of ppl that even if you are deserving to be an MVP but the media doesn't want you, you will never win.
@@mrfreeloader6937 that fact disproves your point that the media just somehow didn’t want to give Jokic the MVP, the same guy they all voted for 2 years in a row lol
@@Chigz10 My point is that they recognize Jokic as a MVP caliber guy the previous years but won't give him the 3 consecutive MVP bcoz it is an elite company that even LeBron, Shaq, Steph, Kobe, KD, Giannis, etc. and other previous MVP cannot accomplish, eventhough he is very qualified to be MVP this year and rightully so. The argument here is that the MVP votes should not have been a landslide Victory for Embiid. Giannis and Jokic have been very solid this year, have better or almost equal team standings, bigger impact in team aspect or being the most valuable player on his team (on a loosing record when the main guy is not playing coz that was supposed to be what a MVP should be) and arguably better, in other aspects of the game compared to Embiid. But no, they even made an anti Jokic propaganda and Mark Jackson left out Jokic completely which is for me is blasphemy and super unprofessional. Embiid, Jokic & Giannis this season has been a 1a, 1b, 1c in my opinion and technically and statistically so. In that regards the MVP voting and result shouldn't be so one sided if it has been a fair voting to begin with. I am not bitter for Jokic not winning MVP this year bcoz 1 of these 3 players deserves it in my opinion but the voting should have reflected that they are on the same level this season, a very close race and not favor some1 so much. It is also a flaw in the system of voting for years to not have a standard criteria for voting so it will always be a questioniable award to begin with.
Excellent arguments, well researched and neutrally put across I’m a biased Nuggets fans and here’s how I scored the MVP races 2021 - Jokic SHOULD have been either 1 or 2 from the beginning but a lot of small market bias overlooked him, it was only after injuries to others he got a fair look and it made it easy 2022 - imo THIS was the most contentious, it would have been VERY easy to use team record and rule Jokic out and ignore the supporting cast, however Embiid’s record wasn’t better by a significant enough margin to matter, had the Sixers won an extra 3-5 games I think that would have sealed it for Embiid. Advanced stats, mainly PER was the ‘hook’ along with 2000-1000-500 for Jokic to win. Any of the 3, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis were equally worthy 2023 - Jokic was so far ahead of the field until January I knew it was going to take a SPECIAL effort from ESPN and co to deprive him, before the season started I knew he’d have a target on his back and I knew he’d either have to average a triple double or be the 1 seed to have a chance, once we were the clear 1 seed and he was flirting with the TD I thought it was secure. The 47 points was enormous but if you’re then going to duck on the other guys floor it should be invalidated. Joel’s main argument was defence and his scoring, personally I don’t rate his scoring as he mainly gets it through foul baiting and flopping a la 2018 James Harden, we see it in the playoffs once the refs stop calling bitch fouls his scoring plummets. As for defence while a great rim protector he ain’t all that at other things, I guess rebounds aren’t a part of defence since Jokic pretty much always has Joel beat in that category. Imo there was no argument for Embiid over Giannis. Giannis was the 1 seed missing his supporting cast, had great numbers and played great defence (better than Embiid). The sixers had a winning record when Embiid sat. Real valuable player….. Jokic clearly didn’t care and once the media poisoned the well with the race baiting none of the Nuggets players/coaches cared either, it was clear they were focused on the playoffs. Embiid having his annual cry to ESPN was predictable and shows what kind of man he is, find one time Jokic has badmouthed, even on the sly, Embiid. Even after Embiid got exposed in the playoffs Jokic refused to badmouth him and said he deserved it (polite). Ultimately Jokic rode his luck in 2022 and sat/played half arsed in enough games down the stretch of 2023 to open the door. As a nuggets fan MV3 would have been nice but I can tell you what’s nicer… The final beautiful irony was Jokic playing pretty good defence throughout the playoffs while the medias golden boy got spammed with pick-n-roll just like they claimed would happen to Jokic. Devine.
It’s so funny how they didn’t want jokic to his 3peat mvp cuz he never made the finals nd doesnt have a ring or how he doesn’t have any post season success like his team wasn’t completely injured the past two years but they give it to the guy who not only can’t get to the finals but can’t even make it pass the second round crazy
both players set their eyes on different goals. bet jokić never really cared for the MVP at all, especially this 2023 season now that Jamal and MPJ are healthy. he knew it was time to go for the chip.
The important thing is that Jokic has won an NBA finals MVP ... and Perkins has won the coveted DUNCE award for the dumbest sport's analyst of the year. Vegas has Perkins at a 3 to 1 favorite to win it again next year... with Nick Wright, Mark Jackson, Skip Bayless, and Steven A. Smith also in the mix for next season.
averaging 33 and 10 with better defense shouldnt deserve mvp? The second most 30 point games this season and had a 10 game streak with 30 and 50 percent shooting(second in nba history) but its not close?
@@sourtarts17 it doesnt really matter. Jokic numbers were way better than embiid. Embiid numbers are great, but not bettee than jokic. All metrics point out to jokic as having the better regular season.
It's such a strange argument to give it to someone else because Jokic hasn't been successful in the finals. When was the last time Embiid made it into the finals?
I thought MVP was a regular season award as well.
I mean you could argue that Giannis should have his 3rd by now too. Embiid is a joke
Denver probably had the easiest championship in recent memory, like did any of the teams they play have over 45 wins
@@JustCallMeRockthe Lakers were an anomaly: they had a record below 45 but that was because they had a bad team composition until the end of the tradeline, after that they managed to build a good and solid team and If you take the record after the end of the tradeline you'll get one above 45
@@JustCallMeRock To be fair the west was so stacked that any team could’ve lost, so u can’t really say that it was easy. I mean 7th seed that nobody thought would make the play in made it to the cf, and did it kinda easily.
In my personal opinion I knew this race was a joke when the media kept accusing Jokic of stat padding while Embiid was bragging about his ppg in interviews directly after losses 😂
Not to mention JE is a foul merchant.
Also they always brought in playoff records.. When embid hasn't even sniffed conference Finals..
Embiid literally never did that
@@bregozy3330 Postgame interviews after losses to Warriors and Suns
@@bregozy3330 March 2023
Embiid went on social and whining about stats to get everyone's attention. Meanwhile, Jokic deleted his social media because it's "a waste of time". That's how vastly different their mentality is. One is a jealous kid with big talent, another is a mature dad with the right mindset for life.
Once the MVP became a distraction Jokic sat out games because of an “injury”. He doesn’t care about individual awards, he was focused on the Finals and ended up winning the WCF and Finals MVP.
@@patriciamccormick9321 I don't think he really cares about anything the media thinks to be honest. It honestly seems like this is just an office job to fund his hobbies like raising horses. He does what they tell him to, usually doesn't throw a fuss, and does it well.
But the mature dad is also talented and could drop 50 pts 20 rebs and 12 assists in his sleep.
I wouldn't call Jokic mature by any means. He's very aggressive off the court.
@chadbrisco4042 compared to most NBA players he's straight up Yoda
They really tried to make it about Jokic's race as if become the best center in the NBA out of Serbia(a country I guarantee most NBA fans and analysts couldn't find on a map) is somehow easier than what Embiid or any other player did.
Being great is hard, breaking out as a foreign player is even harder.
Serbia is a huge basketball country too, always has been
Racist doing racist stuff
Just pathetic to make it about race. So horrible that they did this and tried to race bait the mvp race and n the NBA. Politics should not exist in sports. But it does far too much. Just disgusting
Not really it was just about the Sixers having a better record than the Nuggets as well as Embid having more points than Jokic as well as Jokic's deficiencies on defense that aren't really his fault since he can't increase his athleticism.As well as the Nuggets not deserving the #1 seed due to teams like the Lakers and Warriors faltering in the reg season. That was really the main narrative since the MVP is a regular season award and many believed the Sixers were gonna make a huge playoff push. Perkins was just out of pocket with that bullshit 😂 he's main goal was probably to just get reactions like what Skip Bayles does with his nonsense
@@VClllIkr the worst part is that there were so many other ways to argue for an MVP for Embid without that bullshit that he calls a narrative and he chose race 🤦🏾♂️
As soon as Jokic got into the finals I no longer saw anyone mentioning the media talking about Jokic never being to the finals affecting a regular season award. Literally all I remembered was how some media members were saying: “jokic doesn’t have post season success” and once he got to the finals it was radio silence, if you bring it up, embiid cock riders didn’t say it happened. And I was like: wtf? It’s clear whose always been better now. Someone who did well without help, Vs someone who almost always had help.
Jamal Murray isn't considered help?
@@blaowskiton jamal Murray was injured for the last two seasons.
@@milk__teee ok, and they won the chip this year when he was healthy. Murray is a star and a big reason why Denver won this year.
@@blaowskitonDidn't Embidd got helped by star too like Harden and Jimmy Bucket yet they can't past second round
@@mrboast2826 the heat made it to the finals tho 🤔
Embiid’s MVP has already aged poorly
So has the every mvp since 2015 curry was the last guy to win mvp and finals
@@justinholland6132??? Mvp doesn’t mean champion
@@string7135e’s saying that because embiid did not pass the expectations of him/didn’t play well enough in the playoffs. But so has the last 8 MVPs since curry. What happens in the playoffs should be irrelevant. Great white hope/jokic fanboys are so hypocritical
@@justinholland6132 Did ya not watch the video? Idiots saying Jokic shouldn't win the MVP in 2023 because he's not had success in the postseason. You said the postseason should be irrelevant to the MVP voting but these media idiots were holding post season failure against Jokic while voting for Embiid who hasn't made it past the 2nd round. And somehow Jokic fans are hypocritical? 🤣Ok.
MVP is a regular season award you dope
I think the best thing is Jokic’s humbleness and respect on full display. He defended Embiid after all the backlash in the playoffs and stated that he believed Embiid deserved the award more. This is even after Embiid’s and media attacks on Jokic.
I know right , the guy's character is immensely respectable, especially for the NBA.
It speaks volumes about his upbringing and character as not only a player, but as a person. It's objectively impossible to not like this dude.
@@adriandaliva1341 Well ... some people had ESPN apparently don't like him. But they're idiots and jerks....
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Jokic just doesn’t care. And that makes him the real winner. The one punch man of the NBA.
We're likely going to get a 4th and maybe a 5th part. Problem is that the debate over who's better is dead since Embiid has been labeled a playoff choker and Jokic had one of the most dominant postseason performances in history capped off with a ring and FMVP.
Yeah I think Joel completely lost the voters trust after these playoffs. I’d be surprised if he even finishes second ever again unless he wins a ring.
Ya Embiid got mowed down. I like Embiid but he's a #2 option if u wanna win a chip
@@cappy2282Shit. He's 0-5 in the playoff series in the second round. He collapses like a neutron star. I'd take Curry before I take Embiid.
@@WarGhoulKharaswho tf wouldn’t take curry over anyone rn 💀😭
@@ObiC I would rather have giannis or Jokic or curry
As a Nuggets fan, I’m glad Embiid won MVP this year because the last couple years, everyone has been making out Jokic to be the villain and trashing him. Now that Embiid has won MVP it’s the other way around. Glad Jokic is able to back up his two MVPs. Would much rather have champions than MVPs
Celtics fan here, Joker got robbed for sure and got caught in NBA politics. Jordan, kobe, LeBrons people in the league did not want Joker to have 3 mvps.
Jokic didn’t deserve his MVPs, those were Giannis award, Giannis probably deserved it over Embiid too
Lol
The reason why Jokic’s championship was brought up as a “see, he should’ve won the MVP award” is cause the two main arguments that gave Embiid the MVP award were “he deserves to be on the scoreboard with Giannis and Jokic”, and “How can we give Jokic the MVP when he chokes in the playoffs”. They tried to say Embiid was a playoffs riser while Jokic was was a playoffs dropper or some shit.
It's funny because Jokic never choked in the playoffs, the team around him just was never enough, he was always missing players or the guys he had just weren't playoff scorers. But he himself always had great stats in the playoffs including effiency
Not only did Jokić not choke, but he was noticeably better in the playoffs. He's a leader through and through. Couple of points more on average for Embiid means nothing.
And as for defense, Jokić is absolutely a better overall defender than Joel Embiid. Embiid is a better time protector, but that's about it. Outside players humiliate him each and every game, especially come playoffs.
Criticizing Jokić for lack of so called "athleticism" is just a critic of him being a white man, because defensively he's above Embiid for sure.
@@bmsuperstar1the fact you said Jokic was a better defender than Embiid instantly made your argument bias
It’s a regular season award, that was always a trash argument
@@d3adyoutubeaccount No, it makes my argument - argumented.
Embiid is not only a worse defender than Jokić, but he's way worse.
Analitics don't lie. Jokić is a top 15 defender in the NBA.
I don't have an issue with Embiid winning the MVP award but the toxicity of the media attacks on Jokić from the likes of Nick Wright, Kendrick Perkins, the majority of the FS1 line up etc. that he only wins because he is white, he is a stat padder, he is the worst MVP in history, has cheapened the award, is only rated by calculators etc. was disgraceful
They are trying to start a race war, even using sports now
Agreed, luckily Jokic didn't care about that stupid things
@@irsyasalim6679Yeah jokic could give a crap about the media and haters.
It’s the toxicity combined with a sense of entitlement where they can never admit they had a poor take in the first place. They never actually apologize to jokic they only just make a new take that’s slightly more positive
Exactly! I am not mad that Jokić didn't win his 3rd straight MVP as arguably Giannis should have won his 3rd straight instead of Jokić as well. In either case, Jokić deserved 2 MVPs so far. What I don't like is slander from the media. I remember the fight with Morris as well where only Shaq and Barkley stood with Jokić while everyone else in the media was on Morris's side. Not to mention "the worst MVP in the last 35 years" comment, stat padding accusations and countless other dumb attacks by the media.
The reason people cite Jokić's incredible playoff run against Embiid's now signature choke-job is because the principle argument for Embiid is that he's actually the better player. This season proved, beyond all doubt, that he's not even close.
Jokic is one of the top 10 players of all time. Embiid is somewhere between 190-200.
@@ass640he’s not top 10. He could potentially get there but he’s not there yet
@@taj3618 he has several records and has achieve more now than most do in a full career. he is top 10 easily. Shaq one of the biggest bigman haters said "true definition of a great player." "This guy is super impressive as a big man, and I'm happy I got to see him live,"
@@fabledredd4481 who is your top 10?
@@taj3618 I cant order them but, MJ, Kobe, Lebron, joker, bird, kareem, magic, hakeem, 2000s shaq and im not sure who else, last spot has too many i wanna put.
It wasn't just that Embiid won over the more deserving Jokic, but it was how he and the media got him that MVP. Bro literally couldn't stop talking about how he was "robbed" and idiots like Kendrick Perkins and Nick Wright downplayed Jokic's season all year long. Hell, you have guys like Mark Jackson leaving Jokic completely off of his ballot. Yeah, they don't like the Joker.
The race card was played too often in this race. The journalist got influenced by the political narrative spewed out by the race activists.
Mark Jackson needs to have his vote revoked after what he did. That's honestly bullshit. There's no excuse of "oh he just made a mistake". Nope. You don't make mistakes at that level. If you haven't heard about jokic, that's on you. He's reigning MVP, and now a champion. I don't care if he votes for jokic henceforth every single year, he does not deserve to keep his voting privilege.
@@M.L.official Can’t believe they can get so many people to take the race bait.
@@M.L.officialThat's why Mark Jackson NON COACHING ASS will Never get a another job as head coach in the NBA
Mark Jackson was a mistake.
Jokic was a true unselfish team player and made his whole team better. Isn’t that the true definition of MVP.
it would be unfair if Jokic got 3 MVPs
@jacksonhowe8486 in your poor mentality yes
@@nikolayjerev9285 this is my opinion which I have a right to have and has nothing to do with my mentality.
@@nikolayjerev9285 do you really think it would be fair for the other players
@@nikolayjerev9285 I probably know more basketball than you
This video is dope because I thought I was the only person who felt this way, I'm a fan who thought Kobe was shafted multiple times but not Embid, he just isn't it right now. Jocic should've had his third MVP this year. Period.
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He's the Ichiro-meets-Messi of the NBA right now. Jokic is not just great in context of the modern game, but also as an outsider-innovator.
The structure of basketball has to be played differently when a big can play like a false nine in soccer, attacking space and drawing out defenses. He's making others adjust to him.
Believe me, Nikola is not competing with anyone for any award, he just works hard to win the game, unless it's about horses.
Greetings from Sombor, Vojvodina, Serbia🇷🇸
That sucks to be you 😂
@@Toketree what a poes you are , i agree with you @NenadTrajkovic
Greetings from Arvada, Colorado, U.S.A. What's the weather in Serbia like right now?
Correction ... he is competing with himself only, cos no one else comes close. Embiid winning the award is the biggest joke of the decade, which includes a bubble title. And ppl wonder why NBA ratings are so poor.
@@pittland44very nice a bit too hot
Funny how post season success suddenly mattered when it came to giving Jokic MVP, so they give it to Embiid who has yet to make it past the 2nd round lol
I think they used that argument only because it would have been his third straight mvp.
@@Alex-sj2gq NBA Media is a joke. But that's nothing new
@Alex-sj2gq they were also saying that after jokics first, and second mvps when he got bounced
They also brought up defense which has never mattered before.
It matter when it came to giving him a 3rd straight mvp. Embiid didn’t have 1 yet. They did the same thing to Giannis
It’s actually so sad to see that Jokic got CHEATED out of his 3rd mvp because a shitty narrative from Kendrick Perkins of all people got to the voters and they had to give it to Embiid to avoid backlash
Embiid kinda got screwed outta mvp in 2022 and 2022
2021
@@AntoineLHostRon i believe that, I genuinely thought Embiid was the best player in the league in ‘21 and ‘22, and I didn’t really like Jokic winning mvp as a 6th seed but this year shouldn’t have even been close honestly
@@Taytona1011 I believe that in the regular season at least, Embiid had a case against Jokic for being the better player. Obviously a better scorer and more impactful defender, yet Jokic maybe offered so much more offensively that Jokic was better than Embiid. Just a opinion though.
The way y’all believe Perkins has influence in mvp voting is hilarious 💀
Embiid clearly did not deserve the MVP this season. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an MVP awarded more undeservingly and handed out of pity. I seriously don’t know how you could argue that he was the better player. Jokic should have won his 3rd straight MVP but the media did not allow it.
Edit: Just finished the video. Well done! Very detailed!
If you think Embiid didn’t deserve the mvp at all you are lying to yourself or you just aren’t worth discussing basketball with
@@iceinmyveins7521He didn’t deserve it over jokic
@@Abbad1579 he had a better regular season which is what MVP is for
@@jacksonhowe8486 He did not have a better regular season than Jokic
@@iceinmyveins7521He had less wins, worse FG and TS%, less assists and rebounds; AND he ducked Jokic head to head the same weekend he went on a media tour begging for the award.
There's only two universes where Embiid deserved MVP over Jokic. The universe where the scoring title is MVP and the universe where the player with most FTs is the MVP.
People like you that are so adamant about defending it make it more clear, 2023's MVP wasn't about who was most valuable, it was about 'who's really good and hasn't had a turn yet'.
It only looked close because Embiid and Giannis had much higher usage rates. To me the same or similar impact using fewer possessions would be more valuable.
The narrative around Jokic not having playoff success has always confused me. Jamal Murray, the Nuggets' clear 2nd best player missed all of the '21 AND '22 playoffs. MPJ missed all of the '22 playoffs. The only time Jokic and Murray played together, at ages 25 and only 23(!), they lost in the conference finals to the eventual champion Lakers. Most big players will get some credit for doing what they can with an injury-riddled team, just not Jokic.
He did get credit tho. He won 2 MVPs as the 6 seed
@@taj3618 Let`s not act like the 6th seed actually matters, considering there was only like a 3 game difference between 6th and 2th(While Embiid had a way better team btw.)
@@thetruth4654 it was an 8 game difference. And it does matter. How often does a player win mvp on the 6th seed? Embiid had the better team but that due to injuries. They weren’t world beaters
@@taj3618what 8 game difference? In 2021-2022 season Jokic had no squad basically just a bunch of journeyman outside of 4th real option Gordon
@taj3618 This season alone, I've seen 20+ sports commentators criticize Jokic and/or say he didn't deserve this MVP because of his lack of playoff success...
Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis all had great seasons, and this was supposedly the “closest mvp race in years.”
Embiid winning by a landslide vote showed exactly where the bias was from the media.
Yep, they had to give it to someone who wasn't white or from Europe.
yeah didn't he get like 77% of the first place votes? if it was as close as they made it out to be each player should've gotten like 32-35% lol
@@PlanetOfTheApes999 that makes no sense LMAO white people swear they persecuted...... its called voter fatigue & jokic hadnt won anything up until this season there have been quite a few examples of people not winning multiple MVPs even though they deserved it because they always fell short in the playoffs. Please leave being american or race out of the basketball talks (we all know steve nash won 2 mvps that he shouldnt have over black american born black players and he is a white guy from canada)
@@gnomechomsky2524one guy didn't even have Jokic in his candidates. Dude had Sabonis.
@@gnomechomsky2524narrative based award statistically they wereall similar but Embiid closed out the season better than Giannis and especially Jokic and was the only one out of the 3 to not win the award all 3 had dominant seasons and deserved to win but just because Jokic won in the playoffs doesn’t mean Embiid didn’t deserve his MVP
The problem with saying it’s just a regular season award is the fact that Jokic’s lack of a championship was a HUGE narrative reason to not give him a 3peat MVP, but on the other hand, people were completely ignoring the fact that Embiid is the only MVP ever to not get to so much as the conference finals. A lot of people including most sixers fans switched up on that after Embiid choked in game 7
💯 even as a Heat fan, you gotta love Joker. He is now the best player in the league overall. I don't think it's particularly close tbh.
twitter after that game 7 was flaming him💀
@uchihabean9689 What do you mean Joker got his 3rd MVP award in The NBA Finals with the Title 😂😅😅😊
@@Miles_305facts. Hate that he destroyed us (Miami Heat) but you gotta respect him. Guy should have won his 3rd MVP
It’s a regular season award tf you talking about? The playoffs had nothing to do with either one getting or not getting the award my god you people are clowns🤡🤡🤡🤡
Prior to this season and Jokic winning a championship, they had very similar careers and it amazes me how much the media favors Embiid. Embiid had never made the conference finals where Jokic had, they both struggled through missing teammates for one reason or another during seasons where they were both relatively favored to win their conferences. But all of these factors were somehow used to favor Embiid this year- Jokic’s lack of playoff success (ignoring going further in the playoffs than Embiid), media siding with Simmons issues over Murray and Porter injuries.
I’m not surprised , but I am amazed.
The Nuggets werent "struggling" to end the year. They smoked memphis and essentially locked up the 1 seed and started coasting. A couple of the big games in there like vs Milwaukee they'd turn the burners back on. That kind of stuff is what made Nuggets fans red hot in the playoffs.
Let me get this straight: the argument against Jokic for the MVP is that he struggled in the playoffs in previous seasons, even though it's a regular season award, that is based on how they do this season.
(We all know the real argument against him, but even the fake arguments don't make sense lol)
Let's go even further. Jokic numbers go up in playoffs, meanwhile the "MVP" have a consistent drop off of at least 8 points, grabbing less boards, giving less assists,shooting worse and having a hell lot of turnovers
Even though it’s a regular season award, people tend to look at great prior post season to see if a players stats are “empty numbers” or a real contribution to the team.
The idea being that if you can’t win (or at least give a valiant effort) with it all on the line you aren’t as good as the numbers look. Not really fair but also not totally illogical.
Black people can't stand to be reminded that white boys can dominate a game white people invented - especially if that white boy comes from Europe.
They aren't complex people. Petty and violent, mostly.
@@RomnysGonzalezeven further that that, the fraudulent mvp struggled against a rebuilding nets team despite the 4-0 sweep
the mvp race is 50% stats, 50% narrative. lebron, mj, and many others have been robbed of 3 time mvps by narratives, jokic is just next in line
The other thing is that Embiid keeps boasting that he's the greatest player in the NBA and deserves the MVP and much, much more. He's arrogant and selfish. Jokic and Giannis never behave this way, and they were the ones that played well enough in the regular season to be deserving of a shot at the MVP.
I also like the way Giannis thanked his fired coach on Twitter for 5 positive years together on the Bucks. Not a Bucks fan but Giannis comes across as a decent human being as well as a great player. In the meantime ... Devin Booker pissing on his fired coach on Twitter .... Embiid blaming his teammates for losing to Boston.
You're forgetting that Embiid throws more people under the bus than Greyhound luggage.
What turned me off about Embiid was the interview he did about Jokic saying all these things about a guy who has never said anything bad about Embiid, if anything Jokic has always talked nicely about him. What tops it all off was when Embiid said "what has he accomplished?" Wtf? How can he say that when Joel hasn't even been past the 2nd round while Jokic at least made the WCF.
@@MineFullStopThat's why I don't like him at all. He could be the greatest player ever who played the game, but he's gonna be remembered as a lousy human being. Slandering Joker behind his back and throwing teammates under the bus. Excuses and not taking responsibility for anything. Pitiful.
@@fox_mulder24 I have to wonder whether his awful personality is why he can't lead his team to victory in the playoffs. It's easy to dominate weak teams during the regular season, but you need to have strong leadership to win in the playoffs.
NBA Media: Jokic should not win a 3rd MVP since he lacks playoff success
Also NBA Media: Lets give it to a guy who has been stuck in conference semi-finals purgatory.
As much as I hate popular vote, maybe the former is a better option than letting these idiots choose the MVP.
Jokic won 2 MVPs and got eliminated in the 1st round and got swept in the 2nd
@@bhssssss1 and went to WCF and this year a champion whats next to ur argument boy !!!
@@bhssssss1 embich the fake and fraud MVP 5-18 on a game seven lol
@@bhssssss1And Embiid hasn’t been past the second round
@@bhssssss1 Your comment does nothing to counter my point.
This is very well made props to you my dude
What’s wild is that if Embiid didn’t scream and cry for that award, Joikc would’ve won 4 in a row
What I love about this whole debate is how little Jokic cares. The one finals and two regular MVPs are probably sitting at the back of his shed behind a pile of horseshoes and sugar cubes
heck, i dont think he himself knows where his finals mvp trophy is! he passed it to a staff and never bothered asking about it again as far as the news i know of goes
@@foocw Thing is, he will care about all the awards he gathers after he's retired. Some players get completely zoned in to a pro sport as just being their day job in order to relieve the pressure. Ronnie O'Sullivan is a good example of that in Snooker, goes on about how he doesn't really care if he wins or not, just wants to enjoy the game... but you can tell that's a lie, he just tells himself that but his competitiveness shines through in game. Joker is the same, except he just plays it all off. Basketball is a 15-20 year career at best. After that you've got a long life to live, and you can enjoy all of your success then, just like any other job, where you work for a long time, then you get your pension and do what you want.
@@ass640 You think? He seems to have his life away from basketball pretty much figured out. I'm sure he'll look back with fond memories, but I doubt he cares as much as some of the other greats about the MVP. The culture he comes from is far different than US culture so he might just be chasing winning the championship and not care too much about individual awards, I don't think he's playing it off as much as you think he is.
@@ass640 There is absolutely no way that's true. In 10 years when Jokic retires, the public will not hear from him. He will be doing what he enjoys and he might show up for some celebratory NBA/Nuggets nights.
@@foocw he had it at the parade, a staff member took it and shined it up for him. But yeah, he misplaced it for the interview and laughed about it.
Crazy how Jokic went to his first WCF while Joel is a constant first/second round exit , yet people slam jokic for his “success”
Joel cried for MVP and people ran with it.
exactly what happened. n ppl act like embiid so beast at defense yet the media will still believe it when he got exposed by the celtics
@@x9gioTatum turned him into a washing machine. Had that man spinning in circles.
in fact, this was the second WCF of jokic. First one was in 2020...
Second WCF, first Finals
@@leonardoyi3183 I think that's what he's saying, Jokic had already gone to a CF whereas Embiid hadn't, and yet people were like "Jokic can't win again when he's not gone to a finals...let's give it to Embiid"
Im sorry but if one of the arguments for Jokic not winning a third straight MVP is because the “lack” of playoff success, then the argument of “we can’t take away from Embiid’s season because he choked in the playoffs” is incorrect. If it affects one, then it MUST affect the other.
Especially when one player has been to two conference finals in the last 4 years and the other player hasn't ever been to one
I thought MVP is a regular season award so playoffs should never matter
Jokic 29 triple doubles during the regular season. Embiid 1 triple double during the season.
White guy: criticized when he fails, criticized when he succeeds but his team fails, criticized when he succeeds and his team is world champions.
Black guy: praised when he fails, praised when his team fails, praised when he succeeds, worshipped if his team wins a championship, still praised when he inevitably beats his girlfriend.
They would have to have integrity for that.
I need an nfl equivalent of this channel. I’m not even a huge basketball fan but I love your videos. 👍🏻
7:54 *why does the POST SEASON, matter for a REGULAR season award* that’s the biggest question with EVERY MVP run ever. if the MVP is a REGULAR season award, why are we bringing up the playoff shortcomings?
If ESPN had any integrity they would have fired Perk and apologized for his stupidity
I thought that too until I realized who has been creating all the Jokic hate narratives and likely put Porkins up to it. He’s just a hired media goon. But they should all be ashamed of themselves.
The wild MVP stakes was fine until they made it gross by making it a race thing smh
@@jesstiss222 Ya I have no problem with building a narrative and being hyperbolic but we don't need lying and race hustling (we get enough of that from regular media outlets) First Perkins said Jokic was "stat padding" which was ridiculous, but the racial narrative was absolutely absurd
He's black, they need him for their image.
@@AspireGMDYea but just get a smarter and less cognitively impaired replacement. Perk is bottom of the barrel.
Embiid crying all off-season already had everyone ready to give him pity votes, but Perkins making it about race sealed it for him.
It’s only toxic and has been toxic because of Embiid and his fans. Oh and his propagandists in the media. There really has never been a basketball argument as to why he is better or more deserving of the mvp over Jokic or Giannis. Even the people that finally voted for him this year said it was because he should get at least one cause the other two have two mvps. But he ain’t a better defender than Giannis or better offensive player than Jokic. I’m glad this finals run also finally proved to EVERYONE that the gap between Jokic on offense is massive while the defensive gap is not that big. It’s literally just shot blocking and nothing else. Voters robbed basketball fans of an even more historic run by not giving the mvp to the actual most deserving player.
The gap on defense is large if you ask me, watched Jokic the whole playoff run, he doesn’t alter nearly as many shots, and guys attack with pure confidence it’s beyond just the blocks. Outside of that, yeah the gap is huge offensively
@@zod548I feel like Jayson Tatum absolutely playing with Embiid for a record setting game 7 kind of refutes that argument that the gap is so amazingly large.
@@zod548Jokic has a better DBPM, Defensive WS and Defensive RTG throughout his entire career than Embiid. Embiid’s defense just looks flashy because he blocks a lot of shots.
@@matija9540 there’s no way you watched these games and come to me with unreliable defensive stats lol
@@navonmyhand7999 ANY center is gettting trashed defensively guarding an elite wing on the perimeter
Jokic just chilled the last month of the regular season because they had the number 1 seed and he doesnt give a fuck about MVP.
At the end of the day, EVERYBODY knows who the real MVP is and who the affirmative action MVP is.
Saying Jokic doesn’t deserve it because he hasn't had playoff success and then giving it to Embiid, who even before this year's playoffs hadn't ever made it as far as Jokic in the playoffs before is enough proof for how reliable these "experts" are.
All Joel wanted was MVP and he got it. The Joker Got a Chip and Finals MVP. We all know who the better big man is.
Exactly embiid selfish af.
Ya that's was my problem with Joel. He seems like his season goals are winning MVP lol
@@cappy2282He even said that the game against Jokic in Philly was his personal Superbowl. Jokic treated it like a regular season game but to Joel, it was his final.
Yes… it is EMBIID
@@astriddececco3005 Jokic wasn't even healthy that game and treated it like any other, and still got off to an early 15pt lead. Sixers were force feeding Embiid as much as they could, and weren't able to pull away until they went for broke and just started chucking up threes.
Honestly this seasons mvp race should make people look at a lot of media personalities as sources that should never be taken serious. Just say anything to paint an ugly narrative ☹️
And don’t even bother to make the narrative interesting or realistic either.
if you’re still forming opinions from mainstream cable media in 2023 it’s time to make a change 😅
99% of people in basketball media can't be taken seriously. Especially those at the top, they talk for clicks and hate engagement not actual discussion and analysis.
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The worst thing is that the 2023 mvp doesn't even help Embiid that much, it only harms Jokic massively. If Jokic had that 3 in a row stat, it leapfrogs him into top 20 debates and even top 15 debates, and theres even an argument for it being the greatest 3 year stretch from a player if he got it (3 mvps in a row, 1 ring, 1 fmvp, only 1 chance to make a post-season run with a fully healthy team and winning in that run, all on historic efficiency)
I was under the impression Embiid won because of the last month and a half of the season. The voting seems to not align with that. How could it be so one sided when Giannis’s team was way ahead of everyone for most of the year, the Nuggets were number 1 in the West for the whole year? Embiid’s defense was great, but it wasnt so spectacular that it outshined Giannis’s defense. Jokic definitely was not bad defensively this year. Embiid was the leading scorer, averaging over 30, but is that so much more valuable than guys that averages more rebounds and assists with better records? In the case of Jokic, the difference in assists is insane, in the case of Giannis, there’s only like 2 points separating them.
I think it’s cause Embiid played more games than Giannis and the Sixers had a better record than the Nuggets, even tho they led the West. It really came down to voter fatigue. I think a lot of people felt Embiid should’ve won 1 of the previous 2 MVPs so they had to give him this 1
@@taj3618how can Embiid be the MVP when his team had a higher win rate when he was out? That's the opposite of being valuable.
@@Va11idus 1) it’s a 16 game sample size
2) look at who they played and you’ll see most of the games were against non playoff teams
3) Giannis team also had winning record without him. You’re not going to the Bucks are better without Giannis
@@taj3618 are you unironically suggesting that Embiid is as valuable to his team as Jokic?
@@Va11idus have you ever heard of voter fatigue?
The only reason joker didn't win is because of kendrick Perkins.
It is a shame the media let a functional idiot influence their decision.
I still have no idea why talking heads like Perkins get to have an MVP vote. Mark Jackson, being the idiot he is, left Jokic off his MVP ballot. There needs to be a better voting pool for NBA awards especially now as a players salary is tied down to the fact if he gets into the All NBA teams.
The icing on the cake was them having to watch Jokic lead his team to the NBA Finals and winning the Finals MVP
Of'course, but it won't happen, unfortunately
and a bunch of people just got layed off at ESPN....guess who kept their jobs?
Impressive video. Thanks for the content ❤
Dylan your content is like elite level youtube mvp
I think it is extremely cowardly how Embiid chose to sit out against Jokic and also stat pads at the ends of game. The reason i would say Jokic is more deserving is because he does whatever he can not for individual awards or stats, but so his team can win. He shows up, and even when he missed the last few games of the season it was so he could go on a run in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Embiid begs for the ball from Harden at the end of the game to stat pad and cries to the media that he deserves MVP.
They just lost game 6 because he stopped demanding the ball, so which is it? And there’s no way he’s scared of Jokic, if anything I’m sure he’d love to play him every game considering how dominant he was, but he definitely cannot seem to handle the altitude
@@zod548 your emduck so scared
@@zod548delusional
@@matija9540 it’s literal facts, he can’t play in the altitude, it’s not a matter of facing Jokic himself , hence why he can play in Philly but not Denver , Embiid isn’t a guy in great shape with as much stamina as Jokic
@@dfallen4ngel I don’t see what’s to be scared of , Jokic isn’t a challenge for Embiid offensively
So Giannis and jokic didn’t get 3 straight because of voter fatigue and playoff success but embiid can win it over Giannis and jokic without getting out the East wtf is that about
Personally I thought Giannis deserved it the year he won his chip. No hate.
@@WarGhoulKharas If this cycle continues the Sixers will win a championship in two years and Embiid will repeat as MVP this year
I also like the way Giannis thanked his fired coach on Twitter for 5 positive years together on the Bucks. Not a Bucks fan but Giannis comes across as a decent human being as well as a great player. In the meantime ... Devin Booker pissing on his fired coach on Twitter .... Embiid blaming his teammates for losing to Boston.
Jokic being debated as best big man of all time. Just like steph curry is debated as best pg of all time. Embiid not on that level.
That’s rewriting history at those moments in time it was debatable
Great video
video essays on sports are much less common than other subjects, your channel probably makes some of or the best on UA-cam. Hyped to watch this one
Totally agree. I'm not even really much of an NBA fans but I love Dylan's videos.
I believe we as fans were robbed of what could’ve been, the greatest season ever played by a center. Jokić shut down the last 1.5 months because of the race narrative in the MVP vote anyone that watched the team all year understands this. He would have played to stay in the first seed.However,The NBA was robbed by a racist / anti Jokić narrative .
Do you realize that jokic won his first mvp because they didn't want giannis to win his 3rd straight for the SAME reasons?
@@simless282 this was a much better MVP choice compared to the Embiid vs Jokic though. In 2020, statistically Jokic was more or less the same as Giannis given that Jokic played more games.
This time, Embiid only had ppg in his side given that he is a foul merchant who got exposed in the playoffs. You can ignore the playoffs part and still my point stands.
It would of been in the discussion as the Greatest season by a center but not definitive.
@@ChimeRallyu just ignoring defense
We weren't robbed of anything. Jokic did what he did, and the writers missing that didn't erase Jokic's accomplishments
Jokic did win the MVP in 2023. I don't know why everyone is upset.
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Would change mvp for fmvp any day of the week
mickey mouse fmvp
If the MVP is based on the regular season and the post season is not supposed to be a factor, then why did the media keep bringing up Jokic's lack of Finals appearances as a mark against him?
Great video BTW👍
I think the funniest part of all of this is how Jokic does NOT care whatsoever about the MVP award lol
"Larry can keep the record, I don't care"
- some NBA player
Dylan is one of the only people I stop what I'm doing and watch the video
Man comes in clutch
Embiid winning the MVP is one of the most embarrassing moments in basketball history.
😐
One of the worst winners of all time in my opinion
Embid's MVP reminds me of the MVP that David Robinson won in 1995 and then Olajuwon humiliated him in the playoffs
Embid didn't play against Jokic but this aged poorly in a week
The only difference is that I think there was a stronger argument for the Admiral than there was for Embiid. There's definitely a comparison to be made there though.
@@pittland44 Exactly. Dave and Shaq was the one gunning for MVP back then. Olajuwon's Houston was really struggling that season but found the magic button in the playoffs.
MVP is a regular season award so makes sense to give it to Dave Robinson. Unlike when Embiid's Sixers is not the top seed while the Nuggets were obviously the #1 team this season. (Heck, even Giannis winning it this year is probably argument as Bucks is top at East).
@@chronicle_4 Was that the year Dave and Shaq were in the race for the scoring title as well? Because they were both on fire at that point. Then what you said happened, Olajuwon and the Rockets turned on the jets in the playoffs and that was all she wrote.
@@pittland44 the scoring race between shaq and dave as the previous yr i believe.
Robinson was a lot better in the regular season than Olajuwon in that season. So there’s not much overlap.
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He got robbed but he got his chip at the end of the day
Yeah Idky people are making a big deal he earned the FMVP which is way more valuable than the regular season MVP.
Didn’t get robbed. Both him jokic and ginnais played awesome this regular season
But we got robbed of witnessing history, getting to see a player earn his 3rd straight MVP followed by a historic playoff run and Finals MVP.
@@justinholland6132 He did get robbed, he played noticably better than Embiid
@@DoctorHush cap
Thank you for this 🙏 the Jokic hate from guys like perk and Keyshawn is unbearable
I just don't get the "eye test" and "boring to watch" criticisms. He's so much fun to watch, and compared to Embiid flopping every game & shooting 15 free throws it's no contest who I'd rather sit down and watch.
@@navonmyhand7999 The "eye test" is all about race to people like Kendrick. They're racists who can't stand the idea of a white serbian guy being the best player in the world, and pretty much a top 10 player of all time now.
I hate how everyone hates on Embiid even Jokic flops too
Imagine winning MVP over a guy who leads you in every stat except for points*, blocks, and FT%.
Edited for clarity.
And to clarify for ppl who don't know, Embiid leads in scoring volume but not efficiency. So Embiid is not really a better scorer but just took more shots where passing might be a better option.
Yep. Jokic (while only .1 point better) has the better PER. He also has 2.6 more Win Shares, probably Embiid's most damning deficiency as this simply proves Jokic was more important to his team.
Edited for continuity.
Great video and valid takes
I’ve been waiting for a video like this! Thank you DDB.
The funniest part of this whole thing is that Jokic clearly doesn’t care about the debate. He just wants to play basketball and win championships. Meanwhile Embiid is out here complaining
Lets be clear, he only cares about his horses.
@@themsuicjunkies facts lol, he even didn't care about his finals MVP trophy and left it on the podium. And the most funny thing is on some interview, he said he wants to go home ASAP after the championship parade 😂
Great timeline review of this madness! One critical (imo) point everyone leaves out, Embiid didn’t just duck that one matchup in Denver - he’s only played in Denver TWICE! Once in 2014 and once in 2019, not to mention never getting past the 2nd round of the semifinals. What kind of accolades has he *earned*? But he got his lil binky so whatevs. Tarnished popularity award indeed, thanks Embiid
Also worth noting that Embiid played all the games before and after that Denver game. The "injury" just affected him that one day...
I mean Embiid has legitimately been injured or sick in most of those matchups, and didn’t even play his first NBA game until the 2016-17 season so you’re just flat out wrong there. However, i do think he ducked the latest matchup
My problem is that there is no clear criteria for the award. Sometimes it’s most valuable to their team, best team, best stats, whose game is the most fun for fans, or best story. It’s a very subjective award and every mvp award can be controversial
that’s kinda just what an award is lol
Everyone will remember Jokic championship, and overlook Embiid’s MVP
no one will remember the nuggets championship since it was against a 8th seed
@@jacksonhowe8486 An 8th seed that was better than the 1st and 2nd seed.
@@Luca-yb4sh still an 8th seed
@@jacksonhowe8486 Stupid logic. They faced the best team to come out of the East.
@@jacksonhowe8486 stupid logic. Heat was ECF champion and outlasted Celtics.😂
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If I were in Jokic's shoes, I would officially declare retreat from any future MVP race and wouldn't accept the trophy even if every so - called expert vote in my favor. He doesn't need to be bothered by the comments of the people who have never touched a basketball, or they have thought it is a football.
People took the mvp away from Jokic because they don’t like it when the same player wins all the time, it’s like when the warriors went bad after KD left for a bit l. Jokic should be a 3 time mvp but Embiid started a media movement to help him win it
and the funny part about that is, Embiid will never win a ring for the remainder of his career. Jokic will win many more.
embii deserved it
@@ass640 how do you know that
@@ass640 the nuggets have like no bench anymore
I look forward to every video you make. There is no other basketball content that comes close to yours for me.
Glad more people also noticed Jokic visibly tuned out by the mvp race ( and basketball as a whole imo) when the conversation took that ugly turn in march. Seemed obvious that Embiid was winning it. Also is Embiid winning another mvp amd then a ring like two centers prior?
Honestly, the dip in form for the Nuggets in the last 15 or so games of last season was two things; Jokic coasting to rest his body and Jokic tanking his mvp chances. The narrative had become so caustic (thanks Perk) that he knew if he won, it would get WORSE. All he wanted to do was win a championship for himself, his teammates, his coaches, team owners and fans. The mvp became a distraction and a potential threat to their focus in the playoffs. He intentionally tanked his mvp chances. He doesn’t care about individual accolades and he is good friends with Embiid anyway so let his friend get one while he gets the OTHER MVP award, which he did.
we all know the joker didn’t get the mvp because they didn’t want him getting three in a row 😂
It doesn't matter anymore. Jokic got that ring and finals MVP. Embiid can milk his MVP babe until he at least makes it past the second round.
It does matter because we got screwed out of witnessing history. We could have watched a player get his 3rd straight for first time in 30years then top that off with a historic playoff run and Finals MVP. But too many people were more concerned about who did or didn't win 3 straight in the past instead of rewarding the person that truly had the best regular season.
facts.. facts and education, Jokic shoulda never lost this mvp that's awful. I mean the numbers he put up must be the greatest individual stat line in NBA history.
Leavin a like and scrollin on. Forget the video. Great title my man!!
Kendrick called the voters racist and that made Jokic lose
The only reason he got MVP award is because of Perkin's race talk... the tables have turned a long time ago.
Let’s be honest, no matter who won, this mvp race wouldn’t have reached levels of toxic if Perkins didn’t open his damn mouth for clicks, at this point I feel sorry for embiid that this overshadowed the award
Sorry for embiid why? he got an mvp he didn't deserved. I feel sorry for jokic. He deserved to win the MVP.
Embiid definitely threw a couple of logs on the fire after it was lit.
@@leonardoyi3183hard to feel sorry for someone who doesn’t care about the award
These mini-docs are so meticulous and well done.
Bro drose should not be highlighted. Joakim and Boozer both missed like half of the season , the bulls still had the best record in the nba , that was the real reason he won the mvp.
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Let's not forget, Mark Jackson left Jokic completely off the MVP ballot. He really thought other people were gonna join him after Perkin's take about Jokic being white.
Who did he have?
Mark Jackson literally voted Jokic the past two years before, stop crying
@@Chigz10Him voting Jokic for the past 2 years is never an excuse for leaving him out of his MVP ballot. Jokic deserved to be voted for this year whether it's 1,2,3,4,5 it doesn't matter but he is and in fact within top 3 or top 5 this season consistently. It is a big disrespect to leave him out of voting. The hell, even other media personality that is against Jokic included him. For me that is pure disrespect from Mark Jackson and he should not give that crap excuse of him not remembering Jokic during voting. He owned his mistake but he is just proving the point of majority of ppl that even if you are deserving to be an MVP but the media doesn't want you, you will never win.
@@mrfreeloader6937 that fact disproves your point that the media just somehow didn’t want to give Jokic the MVP, the same guy they all voted for 2 years in a row lol
@@Chigz10 My point is that they recognize Jokic as a MVP caliber guy the previous years but won't give him the 3 consecutive MVP bcoz it is an elite company that even LeBron, Shaq, Steph, Kobe, KD, Giannis, etc. and other previous MVP cannot accomplish, eventhough he is very qualified to be MVP this year and rightully so. The argument here is that the MVP votes should not have been a landslide Victory for Embiid. Giannis and Jokic have been very solid this year, have better or almost equal team standings, bigger impact in team aspect or being the most valuable player on his team (on a loosing record when the main guy is not playing coz that was supposed to be what a MVP should be) and arguably better, in other aspects of the game compared to Embiid. But no, they even made an anti Jokic propaganda and Mark Jackson left out Jokic completely which is for me is blasphemy and super unprofessional. Embiid, Jokic & Giannis this season has been a 1a, 1b, 1c in my opinion and technically and statistically so. In that regards the MVP voting and result shouldn't be so one sided if it has been a fair voting to begin with. I am not bitter for Jokic not winning MVP this year bcoz 1 of these 3 players deserves it in my opinion but the voting should have reflected that they are on the same level this season, a very close race and not favor some1 so much. It is also a flaw in the system of voting for years to not have a standard criteria for voting so it will always be a questioniable award to begin with.
Love your videos man, some of the best high quality content on the platform.
Excellent arguments, well researched and neutrally put across
I’m a biased Nuggets fans and here’s how I scored the MVP races
2021 - Jokic SHOULD have been either 1 or 2 from the beginning but a lot of small market bias overlooked him, it was only after injuries to others he got a fair look and it made it easy
2022 - imo THIS was the most contentious, it would have been VERY easy to use team record and rule Jokic out and ignore the supporting cast, however Embiid’s record wasn’t better by a significant enough margin to matter, had the Sixers won an extra 3-5 games I think that would have sealed it for Embiid. Advanced stats, mainly PER was the ‘hook’ along with 2000-1000-500 for Jokic to win. Any of the 3, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis were equally worthy
2023 - Jokic was so far ahead of the field until January I knew it was going to take a SPECIAL effort from ESPN and co to deprive him, before the season started I knew he’d have a target on his back and I knew he’d either have to average a triple double or be the 1 seed to have a chance, once we were the clear 1 seed and he was flirting with the TD I thought it was secure. The 47 points was enormous but if you’re then going to duck on the other guys floor it should be invalidated. Joel’s main argument was defence and his scoring, personally I don’t rate his scoring as he mainly gets it through foul baiting and flopping a la 2018 James Harden, we see it in the playoffs once the refs stop calling bitch fouls his scoring plummets. As for defence while a great rim protector he ain’t all that at other things, I guess rebounds aren’t a part of defence since Jokic pretty much always has Joel beat in that category.
Imo there was no argument for Embiid over Giannis. Giannis was the 1 seed missing his supporting cast, had great numbers and played great defence (better than Embiid). The sixers had a winning record when Embiid sat. Real valuable player….. Jokic clearly didn’t care and once the media poisoned the well with the race baiting none of the Nuggets players/coaches cared either, it was clear they were focused on the playoffs. Embiid having his annual cry to ESPN was predictable and shows what kind of man he is, find one time Jokic has badmouthed, even on the sly, Embiid. Even after Embiid got exposed in the playoffs Jokic refused to badmouth him and said he deserved it (polite).
Ultimately Jokic rode his luck in 2022 and sat/played half arsed in enough games down the stretch of 2023 to open the door. As a nuggets fan MV3 would have been nice but I can tell you what’s nicer…
The final beautiful irony was Jokic playing pretty good defence throughout the playoffs while the medias golden boy got spammed with pick-n-roll just like they claimed would happen to Jokic. Devine.
5:52 slap sound with the block is fire dude hahaha.
"NBA fans have the memory of a goldfish" is a perfect usmmary of this video.
Hey Antoine! Good to see you here Man and yeah It Really Is!
It’s so funny how they didn’t want jokic to his 3peat mvp cuz he never made the finals nd doesnt have a ring or how he doesn’t have any post season success like his team wasn’t completely injured the past two years but they give it to the guy who not only can’t get to the finals but can’t even make it pass the second round crazy
And it's such stupid thinking a guy wins 3 times in 2020s so his better then the guys from the 80s it makes no sense
both players set their eyes on different goals. bet jokić never really cared for the MVP at all, especially this 2023 season now that Jamal and MPJ are healthy. he knew it was time to go for the chip.
The important thing is that Jokic has won an NBA finals MVP ... and Perkins has won the coveted DUNCE award for the dumbest sport's analyst of the year.
Vegas has Perkins at a 3 to 1 favorite to win it again next year... with Nick Wright, Mark Jackson, Skip Bayless, and Steven A. Smith also in the mix for next season.
The issue is even though the MVP is a regular season award everyone expects your team to go to the finals unless of course you're in a rebuild
Here after Jokic won his 3rd mvp
Embiid proved to everybody he did not deserve that MVP when lights shined brightest
not only that, in the regular season also. It was jokic who should have won the award, he had the better regular season, AND playoff..
averaging 33 and 10 with better defense shouldnt deserve mvp? The second most 30 point games this season and had a 10 game streak with 30 and 50 percent shooting(second in nba history) but its not close?
@@sourtarts17 it doesnt really matter. Jokic numbers were way better than embiid. Embiid numbers are great, but not bettee than jokic. All metrics point out to jokic as having the better regular season.