Did velma deserve the hate? Spoiler...yes
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today i take a look at velma the most angriest thing to ever angry on the planet. everyones mad at it theyre all still mad rawrrrrrrrrrr. velma is a show on hbo max animated and crazy and stuff wooooo
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welp...
Yeah, it kinda blows…
🔹that's your mom🔹
Yes.
@@SparrowIZ what are you 10 years old? You should write for this show with that sense of humor
@Tamara Lloyde no, it isn’t. Desperate behaviour
Velma: every man body shames women
Also Velma: body shames Fred in front of everyone
That's realistic of "body positive" and "women's empowerment" types, to be honest.
@Blue Fire and Blades I genuinely want to agree with you but I cant. He's right
@Blue Fire and Blades the ideals of feminism and body positivity are very different to the behaviours said groups actually show and thats true for all groups.
The mission statement or ideals don't matter, the actions matter
@Blue Fire and Blades valid point I suppose
It’s ok tho because it’s Mindy Kaling and she’s a small Indian woman! Who… has kissed someone without consent, comes from a very privileged family, along with her brother is also a very bad person. As if there’s no prejudices within Indian society at all. Like good god all of her characters where she inserts herself are just awful people.
I think it’s inspiring how people of all races, all beliefs and all backgrounds came together to shit on this cartoon.
It has the power to bring world peace
I'm so glad there wasn't an Arabian characters in the main cast as an Arab myself lmao
@@itskurapikasfacenotsailorm lol
The four nations came together to point and laugh
Liberals and conservatives can come together to shit on Velma.
You didn't even mention Velma twerking in Fred's face to celebrate his mother exploding into gore in front of him. It's particularly gruesome since Fred thought his mother was hypnotized. The whole gang are covered in the mother's blood and giblets and she's mocking his pain.
bruh
What the actual fuck
it's supposed to be funny funny drawn together wow look edgy!!2123
difference is drawn together is actually good
this is fucking crazy out of context, from someone whos never seen the show
excuse me what the fuck
I’ve heard Kaling’s interviews about Velma and they’re extremely cringey. She seems to think that not only is she the only person who’s ever appreciated Velma, but that Velma was written SPECIFICALLY for HER. Velma is beloved by most and is just as much a stereotype as the rest of the gang. Hot jock, pretty girl, stoner goofball, and nerdy girl. Each of them is meant to be relatable. Mindy had her head so far up her own ass she’s invented a whole world in there
"I think Velma is perfect, I always saw a lot of myself into her" (proceeds to inject her own race, identity and personality into Velma completely destroying what she was to begin with)
Ya. I think Velma was as popular as shaggy is by the community. And even then shaggy is usually paired with Scooby as a combo. So idk in what universe kaling lives in...
🤔 I think Mindy didn't really watch Scooby Doo as a child or adult ( she obviously doesn't like people that watch cartoons ) &/ or totally did not understand Velma's character..🤦♀️
Completely shallow, unlikeable, spiteful, unfunny characters written by shallow, unlikeable, unfunny, hateful writers..🤷♀️
🤔You know those crappy people out there who are so openly straight-faced, unashamedly, shallow & spiteful etc, that others laugh & say "haha, very funny 🙄" , everyone assuming that they are trying to be funny, & joking..
( cos no normal person is like that so unashamedly.. 🫣)
But it turns out they aren't trying to be funny..
They weren't ever joking..
They are just being themselves..
So they aren't funny people at all..
They really are that shallow, spiteful, & hateful, just so arrogant & un-selfaware that they thought all those people really liked them..
But it's always just a misunderstanding by everyone who thinks its all just joking..
🤔So they just don't realize they are not actually ever funny..
Or likeable..
Or even respected..
This.. This is the writers..
😁☮️🌏
@@ZorotheGallade don't forget that the whole gang had a thing for Velma now (Fred who was always paired with Daphne, Norville who has dated a lot of girls including Velma, and Daphne who was always into guys)
Dear Scrappy Doo, you are no longer the worst thing to happen in the Scooby Doo franchise. We apologize about the harsh things we said about you.
Yeah , I remember other UA-camr saying that too. We diddn'appeeciate Scrappy enough 😢
@@ingridsuperfreakat least scrappy was tolerable Velma isn’t even that it’s honestly the worst thing to ever happen to the scooby doo franchise and a lot of the hate the show gets 💯 justified cause everyone is unlikeable in it even the main character actually Velma herself is the main problem and it’s not cause she’s black it’s cause her personality is insufferable she’s horrible to everyone this show is honestly a curse and how not to make a spin-off you know it’s bad when the trailer for it got more dislikes than likes that’s if it got any at all
I'm a bit out of the loop as I've only seen season one of mystery incorporated and some random episodes across the ages, who is scrappy doo and what did he do wrong.
@@turtleinvader2982 he’s scooby doos nephew and he was really annoying since he tried to fight all the monsters despite his size
@@loveutilltheendoftimes technically yes but the difference was that he was more brave than scooby was granted there are times where scooby is brave but it’s not very often
This show deserved so much hate, in fact it deserved more than it got
🔹that's your mom🔹
what's interesting is that of all the shows that are put on the bottom 10 lowest rated tv shows on imbd, velma had the most people review it by far. approx 72000 people reviewed velma right now, 42000 more people than the next most reviewed bottom 10 show, keeping up with the kardashians. when you have more than 2ce the amount of people saying your show sucks than the next most reviewed bottom 10 show then you know it's an atrocity
@@thegameplayer125 I'm pretty sure the view count is mostly from people hate watching, which makes the show more "popular" which in turn means a season 2. I just hope they learn from S1's mistake, though I'm doubtful
@@thegameplayer125 Moreso it deserves less hate and less attention overall. Enough to be considered a complete failure.
Too bad a lot of the people that hate watched didn't bother to pirate it. Now we get another season of this garbage.
If my partner ever kissed me while I was having a panic attack, I think I would lose it. That’s such a breach of consent I hate it
Aren't you NOT supposed to touch someone during a panic attack? I'm pretty sure it freaks them out more.
@@Jade_West2010 yes!
I will sometimes ask to be held/squeezed (esp if i dont have my weivhted blanket) but if I dont ask then I dont want to be touched. It overwhelms me more
And for me when overwhelmed my skin hurts when touched. I can only stand to wear tight clothes and cant have unecessary touch when I am in that bad a state.
This show feels like I dodged a bullet in terms of I would probably get so angry watching it based on my feelings of this review
I HATE the trope of people "snapping out of it" with a slap or a kiss. I'm 99% sure nobody actually believes it will work and it's done because it's a gateway to things like physical comedy or to quickly resolve things (especially when it isn't the main focus), but because it's more common than characters actually being grounded realistically it rubs me the wrong way. Velma is worse because panic attacks are a huge part of Velma's story, so it feels so wrong to see them be dealt with the way they are.
I feel sorry for your "partner". Does your "partner" need consent to call you by your pronouns too? lmao
@@B3Band No but they need consent to kiss me :] Hope this helps since you’ve clearly never felt the touch of a woman
I love how Velma as soon as she found out that Fred's problem is a really debilitating hormone deficiency that made him skip puberty and impacts him very much at various levels decided to continue to antagonize him instead of ask herself if it could be better to try and confront him about it in an adult level showing some kind of character development.
Fun show
I know that doesn't make Fred intersex (although several DSDs do have delayed puberty as a symptom), but all the jokes about Fred's body REALLY irked me because it's so reminiscent of the 'evil eunuch/intersex' trope that pretty much makes up 99% of intersex representation in media, while Kaling tries to show how progressive she is by making a female character bisexual and lesbian. Honestly this show would irk me a lot less if the people who made it stopped pretending they were progressive and acknowledged they're making a trashy show with all of the problematic 90s tropes included.
you know velma sucks when both conservatives and liberals agree that it sucks. bravo to velma for actually making archenemies agree on something
I feel like Velma was written by what boomer conservatives think liberals are like. It all just feels so exaggerated that I'm shocked it was written by people who consider themselves "accepting". Mindy Khaling said herself she was hoping that young Indian women would look up to Velma but their are more scenes purposefully making Velma look ugly then their are making her look smart or beautiful.
Wanna know what makes it worse? A lot of POC communities have a problem with not embracing dark skin, for a lot of them it's all about being as light as possible and Velma could've helped with that issue by being portrayed as smart and pretty (even if it was a lazy raceswap). But no, they portrayed the dark skinned Indian girl as fat, ugly, and unlike able.
Congrats Mindy...congrats...
it achieved making both parties hate it when its target audience was meant for liberals
@@beepboop2842 Which is hilarious because what liberal is gonna watch a show about pure hate.
As an Anarchist I can’t stand it either - it’s just really bad writing and pitiful attempts at meta humor that just over-explains its attempts at comedy!
@@wilberwhateley7569Anarchist?
Bro, don't destroy my stuff please
I actually like the fact that Velma exists.
It's always nice to remember that humanity _can_ still come together and agree on something.
Silver linings!
Yea,agree on HATING it. I mean don’t get me wrong I love Velma but ONLY in the original Scooby doo, this Velma is what ruins her character like every time I think of Velma for some reason I think of her along with the original Velma, and the fact that they “thought” they made a great show is just so ignorant, like they thought they did something but all they made was trash like even adults think this is trash and it was MADE for adults.
You know there is at least one psychopath that likes this show and genuinely doesn't understand the hate. I'm not that poor soul, but I'm sure at least one exists
I mean just not anything that actually matters apparently
I am so proud of this community
REMEMBER PEOPLE
👏 Pirate it if you wanna hate watch it.
👏 Don't support companies farting out these kinds of shows by watching them on TV or pay to watch online. You're giving them *exactly* what they want.
The only time it's ok to pirate a show!!!!!😄
@@JetThehawk-xh7ef bro don't tell me its morally wrong to pirate a episode of a tv show that has already made lots of money syndicated by a network back when bill clinton was president, its morally wrong to steal from indie creators but imo not bigger ones and older ones that really would never get hurt by pirating due to having already made most of the money it was gonna make and for a ton of tv shows pirating is the only way to watch them
@@circleinforthecube5170 Triggered much?
I agree, but the clapping hands emoji is real cringe.
@christopherjones8448 if buying isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft
You know a show is bad when everyone's favorite moment was the main character getting hit by a car.
Why she 15
The only good this show did was made people realize that “Be cool, Scooby doo” was actually pretty good
Yup!
that and the show was able to get liberals and conservatives to agree on something, that it sucks. the fact that it can make archenemies agree on something is quite monumental
And it makes Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get A Clue look like a masterpiece in comparsion.
aight but the animation and the character design in be cool is fucking dogshit, like family guy tier dogshit
omg yes its literally so underrated i actually laugh every time i rewatch 😂😂
Velma didn't fail due to race change. The character's personalities, the jokes, the story, the lack of respect to the past, no existence of Scooby and more were way more of a problem. Even if the characters were kept white, but they just changed the names and the clothing, it'd still have no relevance to Scooby Doo or Hanna-Barbera at all.
But, see, the only reason the race change happened in the first place was to shield the show from actual criticism over the points you raised.
Because the show clearly isn't Scooby Doo, and the writers never wanted to make a Scooby Doo show to begin with. This is why Norville isn't even remotely recognizable as Shaggy, and if they could have gotten away with changing the rest of the cast an equal amount, they would have. This is why Scooby isn't in the show at all. These characters are original characters, that just stole the names of a known IP because they were not good enough to make a show anyone would bother watching otherwise. The race "swapping" was done because the people involved in this case didn't really want the characters from Scooby Doo, they don't care about the original IP, at all.
It's a show that has been built entirely from spite. Every single second of the show is dedicated to the writer vomiting vitriol on the original show and characters, then cramming in pathetic, stillborn attempts at humor hoping all the previous deprecation will make it sound edgier and funnier by comparison.
@@VyperByteXThey were not allowed to use Scooby do to Costs. Nicky paid this show out of her own pocket. Scooby Cost to much for her to affovrd. They did not want her to ruin the kid brand after they just got bought out by Discovery.
@@TempoLOOKING Yeah, and she paid for it out of her own pocket because she couldn't sell her group of original characters to a studio and needed to latch on to something popular for anyone to bother watching it. This was never intended to be Scooby Doo from the start, which is clear from the results. She didn't want Scooby, but nobody would have watched this thing without the name, and none of the major networks would have showed it either.
The violent death of Fred's mom could have been good, but they entirely lost me by having Velma twerk.
like, what the fuck???
It wasn't the instant before, where Velma disregarded her death and said it was great she solved the mystery?
As a POC myself, I don't like race swapping and I don't think it's stupid to dislike it. We want well written characters of color, not race swapped already existing characters. Like how they made miles morales, rather than making a black peter Parker.
exactly. im white and i think miles story is extremely relatable. hes just an average everday kid in over his head. into the spiderverse was my favorite spiderman film
Yeah I think it's actually more racist to race swap than create actually new and original black characters. Like how Marvel is just trying to make everything "feminist" by stealing male characters and making them female. There's no creativity or originality, thus nothing to celebrate about it
What annoys me is that they already swapped her race in scoob and it wasn’t shoved down your throat like it is in Velma it’s literally just a change and that’s it it’s literally the only time I’ve seen race swapping done in a way that isn’t rage bate
Yeah but people like Nick really have to let people know how non racist they are and how much race swapping doesnt bother them so they can get internet points
You NEED to understand how much better you made this show sound, stripped to the main plotpoints and ignoring every single line of dialogue really makes it better somehow
That velma to you
i WAS Thinking the same thing while listening to him. The show sounded at least like a 5/10 while listening to his description without the jokes.
@@habilterserah4075 no he's not Velma
Oh sorry i mean is "velma"
In hindsight the show was a good IDEA, Mindy Kayling just shouldn’t have been the one to do it.
Concept for a rewrite I came up with while watching this-
4 law students in college try to catch a serial killer, all for different motives
Velma is a quiet and judgy person who has an actual panic disorder, and she’s incredibly closed off and has an intense echo chamber due to bullying, but she gets out of it as the plot goes on. She originally wants to be super famous so everyone will love her and worship her
Shaggy is a stoner again, and he’s having the time of his life. His thing is that he wants to help solve cold cases and help people who were glanced over (turning the hatred for drugs to the hatred for the way drug addicts are treated). He’s in a genuinely happy relationship with Gigi and they’re happy
He has Scooby as a pet dog that he’s trying to drain to be a detective dog, and Scooby will do increasingly not dog-like things in the background as a running joke
Daphne is lowkey a jerk at the start, she’s really tough and wants to be a #girlboss, she has a bunch of internalized homophobia and she joined the group to make herself look competent and get her hired into something good
Fred was put into law school by his parents, who wanted him to get a good job and make their family proud, he is genuinely trying to do what his parents want but he’s struggling. You know what he’s not struggling with? Making friends and genuinely being a good person and friend! Think of Brett from inside job for him
You’re hired!
You're hired!
Shut up and take my money!
U, u should start writing, ur great
You're fired, so we can hire you again!
In terms of themes and messages, Velma is like the exact opposite of Legally Blonde
That is a perfect summation. Well done.
The main thing about the person behind the character is she loves to make fun of white men just to fall in love with them and often joke about stereotypes of her cultures out of insecurity, this has happened in the other shows she was in
She even admit to kissing a man without his consent on an interview with Conan O'Brien.
@@georgeray1906 Yep, and she still has a career. Sad fuckin world. Admitted to blackmailing the guy into staying silent. If any man admitted to doing this to a woman he would be in prison, but for her? Laughter and applause.
@@bobaross6759 plenty of men opendly admit to doing that and are still out of prison. I'm not justifying her actions but don't turn this into a "uwu women have it so easy uwu", especially since so many male offenders who have still walk around free of consequences. Just google military women sexual assault rates and that should let you know how many of the "heroes" you praise are complete monsters who have gotten away with horrific crimes for many decades.
+about the "she still has a career comment" - Chris Brown still has a career too.
@@ameliag.9940 "uwu women have it so easy uwu". yep, thats totally what i was saying. what i said went over your head.
@@bobaross6759 you completely ignored their entire comment illustrating that your "if a man admitted doing that to a woman he'd be in prison" premise was a lie. what THEY said went over YOUR head, because you chose not to address it. you can criticize kaling's behavior without throwing female sexual assault victims under the bus for it.
I think I've watched more hours of reviews on Velma than I have of the actual show
Same. I wanna keep it like that.
The reviews are entertaining.
Same
Same with me! They’re more entertaining than the fucking show itself.
I'm a part of this 😅
The Last Wish treats their child audience like adults, dealing with mature themes such as grief and panic attacks. Velma is ostensibly for adults, yet it talks down to them, and completely misrepresents panic attacks.
🔹that's your mom🔹
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Are you telling me having my best friend kiss me ISN'T a valid way to make a panic attack go away? Velma failed me....I can't believe it....
You should make videos girl! Your opinions are exquisite
Puss in Boots The Last Wish is one of the best animated movies I have seen in quite some time now.
Last Wish is a kids film for adults, and Velma is an adult show for kids
As a pansexual girl who just had a panic attack less than a week ago, if my girlfriend/boyfriend kissed me while I was having a panic attack, the relationship would be over faster than the fastest speaking person can say “Velma sucked”.
i feel like "don't kiss a person while they're in crisis and can not consent" should be common sense
Man I wish the series finale involves Shaggy using his 1% power to destroy that god-forsaken planet of the show, and reveals that throughout the entire plot it was just a Multiversus update promo where players fight a massive universal rift created by Darkseid.
The race swapping annoys me personally because it feels like a “Hand-me-down” why try harder to make an original new mystery solving group with their own new struggles and humors when you can just race swap and call it a day. People don’t just deserve representation but EFFORT in better representation to create something new and exciting
and they never use the idea to actually explore what that change might mean for the characters!!!! or even how it contextualizes their personalities or anything like that!! commit if you're going to do a shallow swap for the sake of media attention man seriously!!!!!!
I feel like it makes them look as if they can't create good stories on their own (which isn't the case obviously), so they have to take a white story, and change the race, it's very low effort. Like a car manufacturer saying they've designed a new car, but it's actually just an old beloved car model with a different color of paint.
That's why I hated stuff like Marvel's performative "All New All Different" initiative, where they race and gender swapped 90 % of their most well known characters....only for most if not all of them returning to their original characters.
Instead of actualy pushing any of their existing characters who fit the bill, they just tried to race-swap their most popular characters to be minorities...except brand recognition absolutely DICTATED the original characters with DECADES worth of recognition and marketability would absolutely return. No way Iron Man would just be permanently replaced by a random teenage girl, for example.
Real
THANK YOU! ☝🏾
One thing Velma made me think about is diversity vs representation. Velma has characters who aren’t straight white men, but those characters aren’t portrayed well (neither are the straight white male characters, for that matter) so it isn’t good representation. A cartoon with genuinely good representation is The Owl House, which has minority characters portrayed as well-developed, interesting people, and which touches on a lot of issues like grief, trauma, bullying, familial problems, etc. It’s a fantastic show with great characters who audiences can both like and relate to, and regardless of race, gender, sexuality, or any other attribute, every character is well written. THAT is good representation.
Agree!
my hot take is that diversity in programmes for no other reason other than diversity is actually quite racist. You’re just using minorities as a marketing tactic at the end of the day
100%
My brother actually just started owl house and it seems like a really well done show
Owl house is truly amazing
To be fair, whenever there's a focus on race swapping, it usually means an overall terrible product. That isn't to say that the race swapping itself is bad or anything, but it's like that's the ONLY thing going for it.
I like how this show was the closest we've ever gotten to world peace, and how we all collectively agreed that Scoob! didnt deserve the hate we gave it
Honestly, this show didn't even feel like it was worth pirating.
I can see some weird Twitter clowns treating this as the greatest thing since sliced bread 🤮
"Bro, I pirated this shit, and I still want a refund."
Imagine if you went to jail for it though 💀😂
I watched it through someone else hate watching/reacting to it because it was literally the only way I could get any entertainment value out of it.
BURNNN!!!
Lemme catch my kids making one hour video on Velma
Bad parenting fr fr
Birdman moment
@@shen5533 You just ruined the rest of my day by reminding me of his existence, thanks.
Damn this got a heart and I ain't even watch the video 😭 now I gotta watch it outta respect wtf
@@tychoschenkels7841 I used to watch his videos every now and then because they were funny snd a lot of the times his opinion on those videos and topics were justified and well made. What did he do that ruined his career to make you hate him??
Supernatural did an episode crossover with Scooby Doo and it was perfect. The old school animation but with realistic monsters and made the characters self aware. Like Shaggy breaks his harm, Fred's traps don't work and Velma has a panic attack all because the monsters were real. Like it still had the heart of scooby doo but it had the darkness of Supernatural. It was the episode that made me watch Supernatural.
Other scooby shows were like tacos with the different writers adding there own toppings and seasonings and maybe using a soft shell in place of a hard shell.
And this show is like someone took a hammer to the taco until whats left no longer looks like a taco anymore its just mush
I love how he saved us time from watching the video by spoiling it on the title of the video
The greatest sin is that these talented animators could have worked on literally anything else.
man how did they "animatators" accepted it in first place 💀
@@z0w0z. big money
@@z0w0z. In a gig to gig economy, sometimes it's a matter of getting any job you can find.
@@z0w0z. Highly possible they signed a contract before reading the full script. Once the contract is signed, you cannot get out easily, if at all. They may have agents who talked them into it. 'A Scooby Doo remake, with big names, this will make you famous and get you other jobs!' Then they read the scripts, begin animating, and realize what horrid mistake they made. But cannot get out of it.
@@tsubakiofmelancholy6297More than likely it's "okay we're hiring you, do these frames" "wwwhy is there an exploded corpse and someone twerking...? whatever i need to get paid"
the cat bit where nick lost his mind had me ROLLING
Not to mention Fred's trauma was immediately invalidated and brushed off by Velma TWERKING IN FRONT OF FREDS MOMS CRUSHED BODY. That moment was absolutely insane.
They only kind of good character was Fred because he wasn't a genuinely bad person he was just ignorant
he was also essentially the only character to actually have an arc that changed him over the course of the series (or didn't revert back to what he was before like other characters did)
@@chakrawarrior1739 Also, he was the only one who wasn't race swapped and was made to be this antagonistic character. This show is something else.
I swear Mindy hates white people.
I don't agree, he's still a horrible thing that everyone makes fun of and for good reason too, he's insane and utterly stupid. He goes through a negative character regression if anything, he was never good in any way and every character was entirely hatable and worthless.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki I mean the same can be said to all the other characters. At least Fred had a fedual excuse of being in a nasty household with an abusive mother and father. “Velma” herself was horrible long before her mother even disappeared as the show had shown itself.
Mindy's Velma is just Alex from YIIK. An insufferable jerk that looks down on everyone, yet the narrative justifies their awful behavior by reframing them as the most important person in their universe
I'M YIIKING OUT RIGHT NOW!!111!1
Yes 😮
holy hell, you are absolutely 100% on the money. that comparison is completely accurate, and i don't know which IP that reflects worse on.
It goes to show that, whether you’re a straight white male hipster straight out of college or an Indian bisexual highschool girl, being an insufferable asshole will make people hate you no matter what
@@draculactica Let them drag each other down like a shitshow version of the pushmepullyou.
I think the main reason that people get so mad at the race swaps has less to do with the race swaps themselves and more to do with our own pattern recognition. Basically race/gender swaping being related to the quality of the show is false but they happen to be doing it and making a bad show at the same time.
Because it's such an obvious change and we are designed to see patterns they are effectively associating the idea of race/gender swapped characters with bad shows that people may have a large emotional investment in. It's important for us all to step back and consciously realise that it's not the swap that makes it bad, it's the writing. A good example of this done right is the character Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica.
it's a pattern...
you think name of scooby-doo cast and you see "scooby-doo where are you" or "what's new scooby-doo" or any of the movies, maybe even mystery inc.
and then - raceswapped pile of shit is shoved into your face
that's not velma and that's not the cast and they attack you with "you racist"
fuckin' a i'm racist! velma is a white nerd not spiteful indian self insert! their characters are ruined and don't even pretend to acting like them.
racist, bigot, -phobe. - fuck them. they ruined it and somehow it's supposed to be everyone else's fault.
and plot of the show? character arcs? - literal crap and everyone hates it.
it's a pattern - they advertise something with raceswaps and "adult humor", it's complete trash with woke pandering and you know it from first second with their PR trying to defend it by calling everyone who dislikes it racist.
well maybe if they weren't racist towards white and heterophobic there wouldn't be a problem
No, it's the swap that makes it bad. Stop cucking.
No, bro. We're mainly pissed that we didn't get the damn dog.
Yep, totally.. Who cares about colour swaps.. As long as the writing fits the characters it's written for..
edit- Sorta like swapping a little infant preschool boy character ( written for in the script ) for a 45yr old woman, without actually changing the speaking parts & actions.. It would look stupid with that woman sitting in infants class speaking toddlers words..
You have to fit the writing to the characters..
Then no one notices or cares..
Instead of just bad faith virtue signaling for PC or "woke" agenda cred in the stockholders boardroom..
😁☮️🌏
@@claudiaarjangi4914The reason is because then it stops being that character. It’s almost always forced, and if you’re asking who cares, I’m obligated to respond that the people doing the race swaps seem to care enough to do them in the first place. Sorry, but if a character is animated, it doesn’t matter who you get to portray them, they should be their original race if you’re being true to the character. You can have a really well-written black character in a story, and if they contribute well, then great. But forcing a race swap will always come across as forced in animated media. I say animated because in that case, you can have anyone of any background or any look, and as long as they get the voice right, it’s golden. Tons of people who aren’t white have voiced white characters or any character of any race, and they’re great. There’s no need to force stuff like this, it just gives people the impression that all characters that are white these days are only there begrudgingly, like they need to step aside. It’s insulting. It also insinuates that black people can’t make good characters of their own. They have to leech of previous white characters. Both sentiments are racist.
In line-action it’s different. Samuel L. Jackson really was just the best guy for the role of Nick Fury, who was traditionally white. But animated media has no excuses.
The part that kinda pisses me off is they claim they had access to all of the Hana Barbera catalogue and ignored the already established origin story in the Behind the Scenes with Scooby Doo shorts where in we SEE Daphne's dad. She is the ONLY one who we know her parents as far as I know, or at least her dad.
We actually saw Fred's parent in an episode and Velmas family in a movie special , just shaggy's parents never came up
@@nightwishlady CRAP!!! Your right! I completely forgot about those! We see Freds parents in the pirate ship movie! I havent seen the Velma one! What movie is it?
I made it to episode 5 and soon as I saw Velma getting hit by a car, I was like “yes finally, a happy ending”
The relationship between Velma and Daphne felt so forced and rushed. The entire show gave off Harley Quinn wannabe vibes, the reason Harley and Ivy worked so well is that it was earned and wasn't rushed, it developed over two seasons. It feels like the show only added Velma x Daphne to milk the actual ship than to make a good sapphic relationship with good representation.
Yeah when I was watching this, I felt bad for anyone who wanted a genuine representation of a sapphic relationship. This show obviously didn't care for any character though lol
Yeah it definitely have bad ripoff Harley Quinn
The reason Ivy and Harley worked is because they had plenty of comic scenes throughout the years.. Same way Black Widow shacking with any Avengers member ever other than Thor would make sense to a long time fan.. I don't remember anyone even remotely shipping Velma and Daphne
@@grammysworld5449people have been shipping them for literal decades
@@grammysworld5449people have been shipping them for decades, just look up Velma x Daphne on google.. you will find alot of a stuff. they were never IMPLIED to be canon but there are quite a few scenes that shippers have used as like proof/just content for their ship. I don't think no representation or scenes for the ship was the problem, I genuinely think it was the writing. it's forced. lazy. honestly just kind of dumb where I genuinely don't care whether they get together.
The race swapping wasn't why peoole thought it was going to be bad, race swapping isn't a disease, it's a symptom. Most shows that unnecessarily change character races end up being bad.
The little part in your video at 19:00 in with the pictures of the cats and you making the cat noise was actually funnier than the entire Velma episodes combined lmao 😂🤣
It's funny that the best argument was, "You just hate it because it's woke," and when the full show came out, the people defending it with that argument did a full 180 and said, "This isn't progressive or woke, this has to be a right-wing psyop to make a parody of a progressive show."
To be fair: the people saying it was gonna be bad had the same amount of legs to stand on than the ones who blasted them: 0.2 of a leg, like maybe a couple toes to stand on.
I've seen shows start off with awful cookiecutter stuff, and some start out cool AF... And then do a complete turn around and the cookiecutter--syke! still haunts me 10 years later with its heartbreaking ending, while the cool AF one managed to make me so angry and betrayed with season 2 ruining its whole premise. And then there's that time I got Usagi Dropped.
But also the 180 "THIS HAS TO BE A PSYOPS" is hilarious because, that's just what an awful soapbox looks like, yes progressives can suck at writing and worldbuilding and plot outlining like anyone else, politics don't give a skill modifier to writing anymore than my heathen opinion that banana and pineapple is good on a ham pizza makes me god-tier at weird narrative choices.
@@neoqwerty The series was advertised and talked about prior to its release by Mindy herself in a way that made it clear it had a political agenda, so the people who thought it was going to be trash had more than a few hints. Did some UA-camrs milk it way too much before it was released? Yes. But the distrust wasn't unfounded.
@@neoqwerty To be fair, when people overreact about race/gender/sexuality changes (and they DO overreact) it's coming off the backs of multiple years of multiple 'woke reboots' where being diverse was used as a crutch for bad and/or lazy writing. I tend to find more fault with people that get upset over a new IP with a diverse cast than I do with people that get upset of an established IP having the characters be race-swapped.
I mean, if people still get to complain about whitewashing done in Hollywood (which, to be fair, is still a pretty big issue) then people get to complain when the opposite happens. I just find that most of the complaining one way or another is impotent; you can rant and rave anyway you want but nothing you say will actually cause the creators to change a damn thing.
Found the political slave
@@neoqwerty Wait wait wait wait wait. Banana on pizza...? Is that good tho? That actually sounds kinda good... I like pineapple on pizza, but I've never tried banana... hmmm....🧐
god the monsters being panic attacks could've been such an interesting character development tool. too bad it was wasted on this show
There's a manga that does that but with a mangaka suffering from schizophreia and a zombie apocalypse, hard recommending "I Am A Hero". Better luck figuring out what's real than I had, I'm so lost but it's so, so good.
I disagree it’s not interesting
The Scooby Project.....verry dark.
OZ...man that show sucked. I wanted OZ...you might like it.
The show feels more like sitting through somebody else’s therapy session where the person in question seems to suffer from an extreme narcissistic personality disorder to the point where they fantasize about being worshipped by everyone just for existing and for some reason they worked in Scooby Doo characters in these fantasies.
Wait I still say "simp" even now, let alone 8 months ago. Everyone I know does
This show was just painful, and it completely forgot it was a Scooby-Doo show..it was brutal.
Thank god scooby was spared from this shitshow,i'm sure if he was in this he would've just pissed on the carpet or try to get laid every single second of screentime he had
Nice profile picture.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Thanks. I’m not sure where I found that photo, just thought it was cool at the time.
it hurts to see them say only hot women can get murdered... its the same vibes as saying "what was she wearing?"
Considering Mindy Khaling kissed a gay man while they were acting out a scene where there WAS no kiss and freaked him out, it doesn’t surprise me Velma has jokes making light of SA.
@@HavianElathen threatened another employee with being fired if he told anyone
18:56 - I love how much fun you at least seemed to have making this video. Meaning somehow at the end of the day, you successfully got a tiny iota of fun out of Velma. You deserve an award for that :’)
The race swap is just that, a race swap with no meaning, and more so when each character falls into a stereotype that is more offensive than anything. And the biggest one is the characters are nothing like they were and like that is mentioned in the video, they only share names.
there's a level of irony to the intro being about how people other than hot girls and guys deserving origin stories but then daphne is the only one who has some form of story to her.
Im amazed Fred was able to still talk to Velma after being accused of murder and due to her put on trial in front of the whole town and then the school didn't ostracise him after. People who have been falsely accused of stuff much less are shunned from the community but free was able to just act like nothing happened
The writers think that just because he’s white he’s immune to the court of public opinion. A strange look.
Honestly the way I numbed some of the pain is considered these characters as different characters with similarities to the old cast. Sort of a "sans isn't ness" situation.
I like how he became more insane as he progresses through the episodes lmao
The title is one of the most accurate sentences said in history, its wild how universally hated Velma show is
🔹that's your mom🔹
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you are everywhere
Hey, you still sellin' that blue stuff?... Asking for a friend.
Ngl I feel like the only people who watched the finale of Velma were youtubers forcing themselves so they could make the breakdowns about the show 😭😭😭
There were probably people who skipped to the end after the first two trainwrecks.
The people who watched it from start to end were the real troopers.
This is the most constructive, productive, and generous takedown of this show that I have ever seen. Honestly, a lot of critiques don't focus enough on the issues Velma has with animation, scripting, insufferable characterization, etc.; a lot of them also don't point out the very few moments when the series did anything right (which is shocking because it won't take long to point them out; you can count them on one hand). So many critiques focus so much on the race-swapping and shoehorned LGBT representation and desperate hollow pandering, but they don't go into the nitty gritty of why this series is such steaming hot garbage, exactly where it went wrong, and how it could have and should have done better. Loved this video.
And as a dark-skinned woman (not Indian, just very dark), this series is toxic. I would pray no one follows Mindy Kaling's guidance and actually looks up to Velma for inspiration. She is a horrible role model - at best. I don't understand this show; why would she want South Asian and dark-skinned girls to look up to Velma when the series works so hard to anger people of all demographics? It's like she's just attracting more hate, not creating a role model. Ugh. This show is just horrible.
Season 1 of family guy had a bit where it was "Scooby Doo: the murder files," where it was exactly what it sounds: it was a 1:1 translation of the Scooby gang but instead of corny schemes they're investigating grizzly murder, with the gang's quirky and laughable personalities unbroken.
When Velma was announced that was EXACTLY what i was hoping it would be. But alas.
Velma is, in many ways, an amalgamation of post-modern tropes gone wrong. Messages can't be understated or contextualized, they have to be as surface level and absolute as possible. Plot? Sure, so long as it doesn't get in the way of the messages - and if it does, it has to go. This includes character arcs, world building, any sort of conflict wherein characters of protected classes *might* show weakness, or subtlety. Also, if you're doing a cartoon make it *meta* because we as an industry are so over these genres that we're making but, in not wanting to completely piss off fans, need to include them. Best then to make fun of them so our derision looks tongue and cheek.
Yep, the epitome of modern writing is to commit to nothing at all rather than commit to the wrong thing, then just call your critics racist in the hopes they guilt watch it.
@@hatman4818 Not entirely. But when shows go down that road it is a sad sight.
it's really sad to watch velma directly rip cartoons as a loser media for losers- and know that professional animators had to sit and animate that scene calling their livelihoods pathetic. i don't understand why media companies haven't yet learned the simplest lesson: your team needs to be fans of the show you're adapting, and of the genre you're adapting it to. i wouldn't write a very good sci fi show since i'm not a fan of sci fi- i don't vibe with what in that genre makes the fans like it. and if kaling isn't a fan of cartoons, DONT FUCKING MAKE ONE.
HBO Max: "Come on! Give Velma a chance!"
Audience: "What about Infinite Train? Did you gave that show a chance? DID YOU?!"
now THAT is a torrent I'm still glad to have around
Wow who cares? HBO Max already gave Infinity Train past 2 seasons. Do you expect Velma NOT to get a Season 2? Every cartoon does nowadays (outside of miniseries).
@@hectorthecartoonandvideoga9328 Infinity train is MUCH better though??? Good shows should get more seasons and bad shows should not. Very simple. There was still many stories Infinity Train had left to tell and people enjoyed it. While hate watching and bad publicity alone is getting Velma another season...
@@joyc.e.7511 Velma getting another season is not surprising. Every show nowadays gets a Season 2, so there's no reason to be upset over this.
@@hectorthecartoonandvideoga9328 Most shows have 2 seasons prepared from the get-go, and they usually just announce Season 2 early on to get more intrigue from people because "oh, it's getting a second season?" hype.
if creators of an upcoming show attack their fans (directly or indirectly) the show is 100% going to be bad, and these creators know it.
What gets me is,she made the show as a homage to the franchise,inserted herself into the character just to sh*t all over the source material. Very classy and what a way to say i did this for myself because it damn sure didn't make waves how it was intended
Why does no one actually say what's happening to Fred in ep1 he litterally gets sexually assaulted and then made fun of for it like what the actual fuck
Velma is a FU to animation while Puss In Boots 2 and MANY OTHER animated mediums are a love letter to animation.
Fu from Dragon Ball Xenoverse??
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki NO WAY…
@@orangesodawithnoice3189 I know it really isn't but the poster put a "FU" which I know is meant to mean "Fuck You" but I am a big Dragon Ball fan so I decided to make a little joke to myself since the first abbreviation is exactly the same and one is the full name.
lets not forget the absolutely WRONG way they show panic attacks as opposed to PiB2
The freaking Mario Movie had disgustingly amazing animation, actually. I mean, I went in with low expectations, but they were more than exceeded. It was like Illumination asked what the budget would be and Nintedo replied with a "YES".
So frustrating that there were actually some well done bits because there were clearly talented people that were involved but their talent and hard work went towards… *velma*
I pirated it to do a drink game with some friends and not only we ended up drunk in like the 10 first minutes, but we also want our money back
This show was the reason why the Evil Entity tried to destroy the universe in Mystery Incorporated.
See thats an amazing show! It earned that ending
The Universe in this case being a group of kids and a talking dog.
Shout out to "Trick or Treat Scooby-Doo!” for having better gay Velma rep than the actual show named after her
Although the issue with that is that I don't really see Velma as someone who would have a long-term romantic relationship with anyone due to her personality traits and seemingly being more introverted than other members of the Gang.
And when I keep thinking that, I just have to remember Hot Dog Water
@@marcusblackwell2372 But being introverted doesn't mean someone can't have a long term relationship.
@@joyc.e.7511 Perhaps, but my concern could be if she's a bit too awkward, if that makes sense.
Alright, I admit it: my defense sucks
Also Mystery Incorporated, which... had its own issues. Like that show was too episodic and was always very anti-supernatural, which made the finale a lot more jarring.
@@justineberlein5916 Still the best Scooby Doo show.
i just wanted to say that whatever music youve got going on in the first like 10 minutes (idk if it continues beyond there, still watching) is so close to my ringtone (when its muffled) that I've been checking it every 2 minutes before realizing that it was coming from your video ... lol
I was less upset about the race changes, and more annoyed that the only character they kept white, they made him an evil man child. This show wanted to scream about how woke it was.
Hearing the animosity towards this show always makes me smile, I just hope people ignore it when it gets its second season
This show may end up getting 3 seasons due to hate watching and UA-camrs making content
@@llcdrdndgrbddoubt it after the 3 episode everyone got bored of the hate train I don’t think this gets a second season
@@johnnycage6676 I think the fact that most people will pirate it is even more relevant. The viewing numbers it did on most streaming services was abysmal. It had a massive dropoff once the novelty of hating on it was played out.
@@DaInternetBear Any sources on that.
I've heard they're not making season 2 anymore. I saw a few news headlines - not sure if it's true or not.
There are points where I can't tell at some points whether you're fake crying or fake laughing.
That is an accurate feeling for this show.
The worst thing is the art style is amazing
the delivery was great, you can feel the pain and agony that nick felt
The reason a majority of us hate the race swapping is because we know it’s a manipulation tactic to get people to watch the show. Its so people can feel like there’s a self insert now and can now finally relate to a character because they now have the same color skin as them and the people who did it can say “see were inclusive” by literally doing nothing. It’s very degrading and I wish most people didn’t fall for it, they could just make an original IP with characters of their own.
Well said.
Yes, exactly. I hate hearing people write that off as racism because you care too much about the character's race. I don't like it because it's totally unnecessary. How hard is it to make original characters instead of changing preexisting ones for brownie points???
Exactly, look what they did to the one character they didn't race swap, they're racist, sexist, and classist towards him. If you did that to someone who wasn't white? There would be hell to pay
EXACTLY, Race swapping is fine when its done for a real purpose.
Its obvious that its race swapping just to be progressive, making them all basically Token characters
@@ae831 Very hard, mostly because the people paying the bills won't let new shows have a chance, because it's a financial risk.
TLDR: fuck marketting and fuck the moneybags they lick the boots of.
Like, it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. You switch races/genders on an established hero? PANDERING. (But no one outside the Avatar The Last Airbender fandom cared when an all-white cast got hired to play some definitely not white-looking waterbenders.)
You take a canon non-white hero? IT'S TOKENISM. You seen the amounts of weird babyrage that Ms. Marvel got when Kamala Khan got shown? The amount of crying that Marvel was woke and replacing a white woman with a minority? Nevermind that CAPTAIN Marvel is still Carol Danvers, and the MCU just skipped over Carol Danvers being the first Ms. Marvel before becoming the next Captain Marvel, which means Kamala Khan being Ms. Marvel from the start is what makes sense.
I'd maybe support the "stop racebending" thing more if 1) they threw their ire at the execs and marketting teams that are canning new projects over risk assessment instead of at the people stuck with the raceswap diversity if they want ANY diversity at all 2) if they didn't flip their shit when a canon "this next one in line for the title isn't white" change happens.
It’s honestly impressive how Velma accomplished the impossible by uniting and getting ppl on both ends of the political spectrum to actually agree on something.
The one thing I've gotten from osmoticaly taking in the show is that Velma has more lampshades than an IKEA catalogue.
Point of fact, from 7 months in the future:
We're still using "simp"
I have no clue how he called the acting good based on her voice “acting” during the panic attacks
Actually, this show was really, really good!!
*At making me want to stare at the sun for 97 hours on end*
I wish we could one day move past "Adult = swearing, nudity, violence, cynicism". Isn't there so much more to being an adult than just "bad things kids didn't get to have"? One positive example that comes to mind is this years Hi-Fi Rush. It's cartoony, cheeky, it's an adventure and has very positive themes. It's also stacked full of characters and situations that you'd recognize only if you're old enough to at least have worked a job. It's made having adults in mind. It's for adults.
We need more of that.
How is it that the robot chicken skits are so much better than an officially licensed show?
Im actually glad that Scooby Doo isnt in this. He really dodged a bullet. At least the creators had a heart to show our iconic dog mercy
Imagine needing hypnosis, hallucinations and amnesia to make the first mystery of a mystery series interesting.
And failing at that to boot.
I don't really like race swapping character often because it's can be a lazy change to a character(especially in this case). To me, it would be like just changing the character's name. Keep the character recognizable or make a new character. I can deal with it though.
I also don't get the point of having to have the race of the character match the race of the VA. If someone can do the voice well, who cares what color their skin is?
seeing the concept art for the characters really makes me sad because not only does it visually tell us more about the characters but also is just more pleasant to the eyes.
There is one good thing about the show that nobody is talking about. After watching this show, you will begin to appreciate how fun it is to watch paint dry.
As a side note, the writers clearly didn't actually read 'The Feminine Mystique', because this is definitely not what the book is about
The best thing about this video is the Hecking somber music that plays behind the entire thing that just feels like a very soft
“Why”
It’s important to understand there’s a variety of reasons to distaste race swapping outside of the stereotypical bigot motive of “I don’t like seeing people of this ethnicity.”
For example, race swapping is condescending to the swapped-in race, suggesting they aren’t compelling enough to establish an iconic character. It suggests the swapped-in race needs a majority race to pave the way for them first, then they can be handed the benefits.
It’s dismissive of the swapped-out race, suggesting they are no longer deserving of the benefits of what they have worked for due to their race. It suggests because their race is less preferable they must now be replaced.
Most importantly of all, it fixates on the topic of race in-of-itself. It brings a divisive narrative into an atmosphere where there previously was none. Scooby-Doo was a universally accepted IP, regardless of viewer race. Similar to how popular anime is in the west, even specifically among African Americans, despite 98% of the characters being Asian and occasionally white. Race swapping can create a fixation on race when such things were already evolved past.
It’s like Morgan Freeman once said: if you want racism to disappear, “stop talking about it”.
so a character having brown skin shouldnt be a big deal then
@@bruhvibes5941 No, but that's not the issue OP was discussing.
I live for the moments were you go crazy about Velma and Daphne kissing, descending into insanity while pictures of cats show on screen HAHAHAHAHA 18:57, 19:59
8:00 I'd just like to say that Daphne is definitely NOT clumsy (or stuck up), shes even shown to be the most capable character on multiple occasions
I agree she isn't stuck up in most versions, but she IS clumsy. They call her danger-prone Daphne because she gets herself into little falls and stuff often
“SpongeBob smoke sharp art”
Fantastic description
After watching this breakdown with minimal dialogue, it's obvious the romance between Velma and Daphne was the only respected idea the writers had. Asides from how rushed it felt at first, it seemed like they actually took it seriously. But, they managed to still mess it up, with Velma saying Norville's name at the end. I'm fine with the idea of Velma not knowing who she truly loves, but how many heartfelt conversations and flashbacks did Velma and Daphne share together? The whole season is actively building their relationship back up and it also has Velma get irritated with most of Norville's actions/personality traits. Even if the voicemails are somewhat sweet, they're still corny and creepy like everything else Norville's been doing. He's still the same and the minor amount of changes Velma went through had nothing to do with him. So why are these two relationships being treated as equal, asides from trying to surprise the audience? Is Velma actively trying to hurt whoever loves her the most at any given moment?
SPOILERS FOR THE HARLEY QUINN SHOW: Imagine if at the end of Harley Quinn season 2, after discovering their feelings, the huge wedding finale, and having Kiteman break up with Ivy, Harley just kicked Ivy out of the car and said "I think I might still be in love with The Joker.". Velma really is just desperate to be The Harley Quinn Show, but they just don't understand ANY of it. So, they just became this example of everything that could be done wrong with trying to do a new version of a long existing IP.
The only thing that i can praise about this is the animation. It’s fluid and it looks pretty (Despite the horrible character designs for Mystery Inc. members). It’s a shame that they wasted such good animation for terrible writting like Velma.
We lost Close Enough, Tuca & Bertie, Final Space, Infinity Train and Mao Mao for this? That’s unfair.
I have another: Frank Welker was Fred's dad
Pretty much it. It feels a lot like The Venture Bros.
Never forgive them for infinity train.
Dont forget inside job
I miss my boi Mao Mao. 😭
I'll say this: it has it's good moments, but overall, it feels like ANOTHER self-insert vanity project for Mindy Kailing.
And on the whole race swap thing, I feel people knew that's what the people who made the show wanted, so they (successfully) found other ways to criticize it.
The writing makes me feel like mindy was a bully with a victim complex in highschool, its so unaware