I know. In some of the shots, my hair had purple artifacts and my garage had some pretty severe banding. S-log3 in 8 bit will never look perfect but if your frame is well lit, it does yield some pretty stunning results. I'm going to continue experimenting with my color settings and would love to keep the conversation going so please let me now your thoughts or even your own findings! Yes, there will be scenarios where I'll choose HLG 3 over S-log3 but I also do think that 1080p with the 50mbps codec isn't going to set you up for success.
Thank you Ben Martin! Video Keypoints 1. DSLR Video Shooter (Caleb) suggest to use SLOG 2 in ITU-709 Matrix color mode 2. Ben norticed that SLOG 2 in ITU-709 doesnt look good (color looks fake, too much luminance, weird tint to all color, skin tones turning magenta. 3. These problems looks much worse when Ben tried to use the ITU-709 in SLOG 3 4. Ben watched a video by doneitdidit UA-camr from Canada, making Slog 2 more usable by: 4.1. Pumping saturation all the way to the top (+32 max on my Sony a6400) 4.2. Color Mode: Cinema (Based on Ben, this one has the less magenta looking) 4.3. Black Gamma: Middle and -7 (Black Levels low to give little bit contrast straight from the camera so you don't have to push contrast in post that much will or could prevent footage from falling apart. 5. This idea is only for SLOG 3 8bit, haven't tried with SLOG 2, but Ben knows that it does fix the problem 6. For lower light situation, Ben is using HLG1 because that's the color profile handles noise the best when it comes to HLG 7. Regarding the adjustments made (#4.1-4.3) above, the Luminance of Reds and Blues may not seems to be right, so he suggest to adjust the color depth mode. What he did to make these luminance more natural: 7.1. Adjust Reds +3 7.2. Adjust Blues +3 7.3. Other colors try to eyeball it maybe +1 or +2
@@candayuzgun just start shooting, compile it. Don't think too much about the settings, in fact use auto mode, use standard picture profile for the mean time because it's decent enough without needing to edit that much. And especially as a cyclist we don't always get the time we want in order to create the setup we want as we ride, so shoot footage if you can. Throughout time as you gain experience, you'll get to explore other things.
COLOUR MANAGE. If using resolve -> Colour > node > ACES transform or Colour Space Transform. Select input SLOG 3, output Rec. 709 (for your monitor colour space) . Easiest fix of your life.
I honestly think 90% of UA-camrs who talks about cameras do no know anything about filmmaking. They just talk about gear and compare it without any thinking :D Happy to find you!
tried it, I agree 100%; I just lowered the blacks all the way, sat to +12, and got amazing results! I use Slog3 for run and gun while HLG3 for studio environment and just convert it to 709
In my tests Cinema mode looks trash with skin tones. Too red, turns blotchy, falls apart. S-Gamut3.Cine is by far the most natural and has the least issues with colour and skin tone.
Holy shit hes right...... I preferred cine 2 or 4 and HLG for bright conditions but this s log stuff just might work as long as it isnt slow mo footage.
I guess I would have liked to see a comparison. Like this footage graded the way Pike recommends compared with what you’re doing. These shots look truly amazing especially the details in the shadows. Was it as sunny as it looks?
SLog3 has better highlights range, and used as Ben described reduces the color noise. After basic conversion from Slog3 to 709 you'll get better results than Slog2
On my ZVE10 Slog2 has better highlights, zebras work upto +109 instead of just +100 for slog3. I just use HLG3 and lever it there. HLG3 has a little bit of room to grade involve you colour transform. Slog 2&3 just breaks when you try to do anything after the colour transformation.
I know. In some of the shots, my hair had purple artifacts and my garage had some pretty severe banding. S-log3 in 8 bit will never look perfect but if your frame is well lit, it does yield some pretty stunning results. I'm going to continue experimenting with my color settings and would love to keep the conversation going so please let me now your thoughts or even your own findings! Yes, there will be scenarios where I'll choose HLG 3 over S-log3 but I also do think that 1080p with the 50mbps codec isn't going to set you up for success.
Thank you Ben Martin!
Video Keypoints
1. DSLR Video Shooter (Caleb) suggest to use SLOG 2 in ITU-709 Matrix color mode
2. Ben norticed that SLOG 2 in ITU-709 doesnt look good (color looks fake, too much luminance, weird tint to all color, skin tones turning magenta.
3. These problems looks much worse when Ben tried to use the ITU-709 in SLOG 3
4. Ben watched a video by doneitdidit UA-camr from Canada, making Slog 2 more usable by:
4.1. Pumping saturation all the way to the top (+32 max on my Sony a6400)
4.2. Color Mode: Cinema (Based on Ben, this one has the less magenta looking)
4.3. Black Gamma: Middle and -7 (Black Levels low to give little bit contrast straight from the camera so you don't have to push contrast in post that much will or could prevent footage from falling apart.
5. This idea is only for SLOG 3 8bit, haven't tried with SLOG 2, but Ben knows that it does fix the problem
6. For lower light situation, Ben is using HLG1 because that's the color profile handles noise the best when it comes to HLG
7. Regarding the adjustments made (#4.1-4.3) above, the Luminance of Reds and Blues may not seems to be right, so he suggest to adjust the color depth mode. What he did to make these luminance more natural:
7.1. Adjust Reds +3
7.2. Adjust Blues +3
7.3. Other colors try to eyeball it maybe +1 or +2
Hey man great comment, im also cyclist and want to improve my videos.Working on how to use my zv-e10 better :)
@@candayuzgun just start shooting, compile it. Don't think too much about the settings, in fact use auto mode, use standard picture profile for the mean time because it's decent enough without needing to edit that much. And especially as a cyclist we don't always get the time we want in order to create the setup we want as we ride, so shoot footage if you can. Throughout time as you gain experience, you'll get to explore other things.
Cheers mate!
what is the input color space for this setting on CST of Davinci? Rec.709?
COLOUR MANAGE. If using resolve -> Colour > node > ACES transform or Colour Space Transform. Select input SLOG 3, output Rec. 709 (for your monitor colour space) . Easiest fix of your life.
I honestly think 90% of UA-camrs who talks about cameras do no know anything about filmmaking. They just talk about gear and compare it without any thinking :D
Happy to find you!
This is correct.
Facts!
Bro that was such a real an honest tutorial! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, helped me a lot!!
tried it, I agree 100%; I just lowered the blacks all the way, sat to +12, and got amazing results! I use Slog3 for run and gun while HLG3 for studio environment and just convert it to 709
i just love the colours here. look almost film like
homie was ahead of his time best now everyone is doing that with the new 10 bit cams
In my tests Cinema mode looks trash with skin tones. Too red, turns blotchy, falls apart. S-Gamut3.Cine is by far the most natural and has the least issues with colour and skin tone.
I understand a little bit, tell me slog2 slog3 it works for 8bit video?
I needed this video so bad.. Ty
Plz post details about slog3 settings for 8 bit so we will try it.
Holy shit hes right...... I preferred cine 2 or 4 and HLG for bright conditions but this s log stuff just might work as long as it isnt slow mo footage.
I’m so glad it’s working for you man!
I guess I would have liked to see a comparison. Like this footage graded the way Pike recommends compared with what you’re doing. These shots look truly amazing especially the details in the shadows. Was it as sunny as it looks?
Ooh good input man! That’s something I’ll remember for future vids :)
Thank you for the video. But isn't kind of pointless using S log3 on 8bit?
Deja la configuración para los que no hablamos inglés, los subtítulos están pero se escapan muchas cosas 😢
Great video!
Thank you!?
Interest video!
How many EV+stops you use for S-Log3???
super useful!! ty
You’re not crippling your camera by not using slog 3. Finding all these quirks to help slog2 is more effort than worth.
SLog3 has better highlights range, and used as Ben described reduces the color noise. After basic conversion from Slog3 to 709 you'll get better results than Slog2
On my ZVE10 Slog2 has better highlights, zebras work upto +109 instead of just +100 for slog3.
I just use HLG3 and lever it there.
HLG3 has a little bit of room to grade involve you colour transform.
Slog 2&3 just breaks when you try to do anything after the colour transformation.
broooo how many EV stops for slog3??
Following his tutorial guideline, I tried 1.7 and +2 for zve10 it worked for me