I was in a domestic relationship and I was charged for Stabbing him after he kicked in my door and he dropped my 3mon old son I found out there is not a self defense laws in the state of NJ. Laws need to be changed .
I was in a DV situation, and the daughter saying it was like he was possessed is completely accurate. You can be arguing back and forth with someone but you will know the SECOND it is about to get violent because their eyes go dark and it is so scary.
Definitely! Not even "like" possession, it literally is. Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places. I'm so glad you're out of it now. So many women have been killed.
@Rebecca Yes, his eyes were bright bright blue and when I would tell people their eyes go dark they just didn't understand. It is seriously like watching a train coming at you but you can't move.
It’s so sad to hear this child was dragged through all these toxic relationships when she deserved at least one adult who prioritized her well-being and stability.
Same thing happened to my nephew and his sister. My sister dragged her kids through so many of her toxic relationships. Luckily her son (my nephew) has a good head on his shoulders! He got out good and healthy!
@@AkashSharma-ib1qx it is her fault for staying in the relationship but not her fault that he was abusive. But yeah, the kids should come first always.
Hard lives create strong people, strong times create Either strong people who were raised with values or immoral people who are raised with entitlement. Those of us who are unlucky enough to be raise in less than stellar households typically choose to not have children.
A psychiatrist might say otherwise. If you noticed the way she was smiles while describing blood and chaos. I bet she is not the little angel people assume based on these few clips, just great at putting on a face like her mom
She knows her mom isn’t innocent. The dude isn’t either. If he was attacking and yelling and trying to rape her, the daughter knows more. I’d get it if it was a 3,4, or maybe even 5 year old that might not be cognitive enough and can sleep through any, but the daughter was older and I seriously don’t believe she slept through or didn’t hear anything until it was all over.
It’s like they don’t realize the one that knows all is the child stuck in the middle. She saw the evil and her mother won. Maybe not the way she had wish too.
@@terrorsquadlith yeah that’s her past. Y’all act like she the only one who said something when it was SHOWN IN TEXT how verbally abusive he was. Definitely self defense stoopid.
@@terrorsquadlith There’s no proof of what he said as being true! But the man that died, his parents definitely look rich enough to pay someone to say it!!
I work in the criminal justice system. Domestic violence cases are a major part of my caseload. I’ve worked on hundreds and hundreds of DV cases. A few things that I’d like to pass along: -If your significant other uses physical force, violence, or emotional abuse against you, GET HELP NOW. Do not wait. It will not get better. You cannot fix the person. The abuse will only get worse. I have seen it time and time again. You may think your situation is unique, and somehow the other person will learn or get better. Trust me, it will only get worse. -If you are in a new relationship, do not move in with the person right away….especially if you have children. Get to know the person. Give it some time. When people move in together after only dating for a few weeks or months, it rarely (if ever) ends well.
When the man is the abuser, there´s usually a money-issue involved. She doesn´t leave because she depends on him to pay the bills. In the featured case, he was not stalking her - she could´ve left, gotten a job, and paid for her own bills, differently from some cases where the man is the abuser and doesn´t allow her to get out. She got engaged but started being aggressive with the other guy who called it quits. When the woman is the abuser, the man is usually in for sex, intense sex. Sometimes because of the kids as well. And you said it well - when a - significant other - which can be a man or a woman is violent, neither should insist on that relationship, ever!
@stanfen I came here to get a laugh at all the silly boys who came here just to spew pathetic"all women bad" rhetoric, and yall didn't disappoint. It's obvious who really plays the victim. How ironic. Lmao
People that recklessly move their kids in with people they hardly know are failing to protect their children. How many criminal cases involve mom's boyfriend or dad's girlfriend being the one to hurt or murd3r the child? Too many. Protect your kids first. Then worry about yourself.
I like how it's a story of 2 adults but they prioritised the child in the video title because she's the silent victim in all of this thanks to the both of them. It's saddening but also relieving when you see what an intelligent young lady she's become instead of what all this could have turned her into.
From the photographs it's evident they appeared happy at one time, a beautiful family but I suppose with all relationships in the beginning things are sunshine butterflies birds singing and everything's coming up love but as time move on it seems people change or ill say the real person appears and totally clashes crashes and burns the facade that made them desirable and made the other fall in love with them, often times from that point destruction and grief follows, very bad situation here they seemed to have it all but looks are deceiving and have nothing to do with the heart character attitude spirit or behavior of a individual, Stephanie has a amazingly strong intelligent daughter no doubt her mother is very proud of her.
@@michaelsinclair3321Some relationships begin well and stay good because the people in them are normal and not two psychopaths like these two obviously were.
I was abused for the eight years I was married. There was only one time when there was any visible marking. He threw a heavy vase at me, splitting my lip open. I had stitches to close a one inch vertical complete open tear in my lip. My husband was a university professor and people teased me that he had done it. At the hospital, and to everyone who tried to get me to say that my husband had done it, I said I fell down the stairs. I didn't want anyone to know that my husband would hurt me. I was ashamed of that. It took a long time to heal the emotional scars, including the teasing from people at the university.
I’m so sorry you went through that.. you did NOT deserve ANY of it. On the flip side, I’m so proud of you for surviving it and speaking openly about it! 👏💪 You’re here with us and moving forward every day. I’m happy about that 🫂❣️
Maybe you also had this feeling that there would be judgement because you chose this person as your life partner and so there was hesitation to express what was actually going on. This goes for both genders. But sorry to know that you went through all that. Hope you left him
Saying you should be ashamed for choosing this man as a partner is victim blaming. People like to pretend it could never happen to them because they are too smart or too good at making choices. Abusers don't slug you in the face the first time you go out with them. It usually grows more violent and more overt with time. Those people should read Lundy Bancrofts book "Why does he do that?". You can find it for free on the web. Stop the victim blaming. Her husband threw the vase. He is the only one at blame. Do better @poojapatole3573
This is why i didn’t date when my kid’s dad left. Didn’t date until my kid TOLD me too around age 17-ish after asking me why I never had a boyfriend. I told my kid that there was too much risk to her if I dated. Not just this type of stuff, but also abandonment issues for her if it didn’t work out 1, 2, 3… who knows how many relationships over those 14 years. It’s not worth it. She is now 21. I don’t regret my decision.
Me too. My child's a grown adult now. I've just always been very happy to be by myself and my child's safety and security is soo important and always will be.
Despite all of this happening the daughter truly turned out to be a wonderful, intelligent , and compassionate young lady. I hope nothing but the absolute best for her future, she's gonna accomplish her dreams and more. Growing up in a household where there's domestic violence is insanely traumatic.
I absolutely agree with you. And I just wanted to add on the last part of your comment that I think she will become more wiser in finding love and committing into a relationship because she grew up witnessing the domestic violence her mother went through.
I think the child believes her mother to be a victim, when honestly I believe the mother was the aggressor. Unfortunately the daughter has been taught to lie about the situation and to treat her mother as a martyr. And so the cycle continues.
@@angiebear8727 - She probably was a witness but they just didn’t show her because the judge didn’t allow it to be recorded. And they were able to speak to her as an adult instead. Maybe.
That judge gave a light sentence, 8 years, which takes into account the complications in this case. Rare to have a judge that is actually fair like this.
You can tell the woman questioning her has never been abused. You can totally be in fear of your abuser and fight back. Sometimes you don’t because you know you will get badly hurt but when it’s happening all the time, you snap and hit back, even though it usually doesn’t do anything.
I absolutely fought back against my abuser. It was out of sheer fear for my life. I feel like anyone would fight back if they thought they would be killed.
Snapping back and hitting or hurting someone because they hitting on you is self defense, different when your not being attacked and you pick up a knife and stab them in the neck, that’s what the forensic evidence proof, that lady murdered the man. not because some of you can relate to DV n are female you going to be illiterate and blind to acknowledge the proven wrong doing in this case, it’s clear she killed the man in cold blood, she bin the abusive one in this relationship.
I dont think its fair how she had 8 years to come up with a defence! Throw her a pitch and she knows how to hit it! ..terrible woman! Stabbing the chair of the man she was having an affair with! True Jezebel spirit! This woman is psychotic!!
Yes like you are gonna ever count when being choked to the point of death. I think then you just pray they stop and you do not die that day. Some prosecutors are really insane
She's a great young woman, but many who come from such dysfunction are because they're forced to grow up alot faster than they should have to bytheir parents choices. So her damage won't be realized by her til she's in her mid to late 20's. I'm not saying she won't do great in life, just that she'll be processing the trauma of that night (& all the other violent fights she had to see & hear all her childhood, plus the effects from her mom being gone to prison during her very formative years when she needed a good mother there beside her) for a very fong time. She'll carry scars from it, through the different things it all taught her, some beneficial lessons but also a lot of bad coping skills, trouble with or an inability to focus on her ownself enough, trying to not be over responsible to make up for all her mom lacked, maybe trouble even knowing what she should expect from others,, forgiving too much bad behavior, things like that. She also may've learned from her mom's dysfunctional lifestyle & choices, her mom's way of not treating guys right (due to her own life I know) & not knowing when to end a relationship (even if you still love a person) could end up causing the daughter to accept hings she should not accept & to not expect to be treated right, as she should expect. It's alot of baggage to be put through what she's been put through. If her mom had been a GOOD mom, she would not have had her daughter living in a house with so much reoccurring violence, when a GUN was brought into the home, when she KNEW how toxic their relationship was. She bounced from guy to guy trying to get them to pay her bills for her so she didn''t have to.
The way she presented herself on the stand seems pretty honest to me. She didn't try to over-dramatise things, or present herself as a perfect person. It's disappointing that the jury didn't understand that imperfect people can be victims too, it doesn't make them "as bad as each other". And it should be obvious that abuse brings out the worst in anyone.
I agree with you. She seemed honest in the fact that she did not paint herself as perfect. I think that is important because I know that is what I would do in a similar situation. I know Iam not perfect , no one is. It shows she is telling the truth (I think).Also I know that abuse, especially emotional abuse, really messes you up. There are little triggers from abuse that can hit you hard. They do or say mean messed up things to you over and over kinda like conditioning you. Hard to say for sure, but that jury was disappointing. Nobody is perfect. Lawyers always want to paint the picture of a perfect person on both sides. That just isn’t life. His parents and lawyers were not fair knowing he was abusive and ignoring that fact. If anything she should have been given a more lienient punishment and help like a therapist etc.
Also we have this weird thing about making someone out to be perfect when they die. You just want to pick out the persons good moments/ qualities only because it is so sad.
I agree. The jurors said they were both victims, but their victimization wasn’t equal. He still had his job, money, friends, a village. He forced her to quit her job, made sure she was completely reliant on him financially, and isolated her in many ways. It’s not uncommon for a victim of DV to eventually fight back in public where she’s safe, I’m not surprised at all that his friend saw her punch him at a wedding. But his friend didn’t sit there and try to cover up bruises with makeup for months bc there wasn’t an extensive history of her hurting him. I agree they were both toxic at times, but she was clearly under his control and had reason to fear for her life in that moment. I think the jury felt like some responsibility/punishment was necessary because a life was lost, but I disagree with their verdict. She wasn’t a perfect person but she was struggling to survive. He would still be alive today if not for his own actions.
@@cleansweepduo2121 I didn t like the way she behaved when they interrogated the first time and also when she took the stand. I just couldn t believe her. Both acted in a toxic way and she had surely learnt to be a tough cookie because of her job and beauty.
She didn't seem genuine to me at all. To be honest I found her very disingenuous but I'm not surprised that someone who puts on a soft voice and smiles a lot and even tries not to is seen in a positive light. It's a typical reaction.
@@CandiceGoddard I agree. It's extremely disturbing that she smiled throughout the entire interview, any of the interviews. Laughing even. And no, not a nervous smile or laugh.. she seemed very comfortable acting out her part.
@@AmysAttitudeSo what is your reason why she would put up an act? She’s glad that she lost both parents? Because that makes no sense. Clearly she had a good relationship with her mom and you’ve been watching too many crime shows to assume every person, kids even, are guilty of something. She has no reason to enjoy her only support system and protecter being taken away from her
I accidentally misread that as brilliant psychopath, which was disconcerting. Not that all psychopaths are inherently evil but it's generally not meant as a positive trait. I think I've watched too much true crime lately
As someone who was raised in an abusive household, I never felt like I had a choice in the abuse. Due to this lack of control I often would say nasty insulting things to my father because it was my ONLY way of feeling some sort of empowerment/control. I was always terrified of my father while doing this but also had a feeling of “what’s the worst that could happen?” Watching this blew my mind. The fact so many people don’t have empathy for Stephanie and what she went through is heartbreaking. Just insane
I’m sorry for the abuse you lived through and I completely, COMPLETELY understand. God bless you and grant you peace moving forward. You deserve all the happiness in life.
You are a Sister of the Heart. Hard to get through Father's Day -- and, for that matter, Mother's Day. And the cute store-bought onslaught before it. And the TV ads! Obviously, I am not a member of the Dear Daddy, Mommy and Happy-Happy Family Brigade. What goes on behind fine-looking "Upper Middle Class Homes" with perfect lawns, mammoth shuttered cottage houses and long drives for fine cars. It ain't just trailer parks, like the cliche'. From a big house "nestled cozily back in a cul-de sac" the neighborhood can't hear the screams.
I’m a mental health counselor and I hope this woman is getting a TON of therapy. She needs it badly. This was a mutually toxic relationship between 2 equally unstable people. Sending best wishes to this incredible daughter.
I just thought that too,.. until the more information about this woman behavior... Her previous fiance also sue her for domestic violence.. and she admitted she also text him and intentionally makes him mad... Why she surprised he will be abuse her??
Especially when she answered questions about her ex.. she always answer it without looking at the journalist.. she excuse she hit the victim cause it's "she hit back"...and the same time acting like she's a helpless victim... And her answer about the incident have a many version. This woman is not a victim.
Yes! And if she had been an abuser herself, she would have also abused her child, but she didn't. The daughter seems to have had a lovely childhood, until he entered their life.
@@Analysis_Paralysis On point! The daughter is happy and focused on her education, and shows no conflicting signs of anger or ambivalence towards her mom. Your comment brings good questions to light.
For those of you who don't know: Worcester, MA is not a nice place to live. It's easy to get wrapped up in wrongdoings and crime, so I commend the daughter for become so well spoken. I commend her for keeping her head on straight through all of this tragedy in a city where it's hard to look out towards anything else.
i think it says everything about the case and angelinas upbringing i mean there was no trouble from dad !!!! thst speaks volumes the only time angelina and her mammy didnt feel safe was when andy was there i from my eyes n ears think its as simple as that ❤✌🍀🍀🍀🍀🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
Nah, there are lots of nice areas of Worcester and a bunch of great colleges. I know tons of people (born and raised) in that city, and no one is involved in crime. That girl turned out great, despite her mother. Not despite the city.
i was born and grew up in main south worcester and men and women in relationships and in life are tough as the city is and since the 60s im aware of and worse today is violent .... i left in my 20s yet i do know these relationships from my 30 nieces and nephews there are 2 way violent and agressive ... these 2 here just had an end anyone could have ended up in without a total change of what they and we all grew up in and around.... this is why i left.. i was horrible and was treated horrible also... i worked hard and deep for years to rip out and work out what i was learned from birth and my surroundings in the hood more than inside my home where my parents were not beaters ... the truth that sets us free is the truth about our selves... in all here i seen i agree this sentence and circumstances are just... now i hope the woman inside works and is honest and reprograms what i and everyone i ever knew from there was and learned ....
I had an ex mailing me my own underwear and pictures of me changing, went to the police with the evidence and the policeman asked me “well, has he ever hit you?” When he smashed my window with a metal chair trying to break into my house, the policeman said because he never entered the house, and because he never hit me, that there was nothing the cops could do. Then they had the nerve to be surprised when he choked his new girlfriend into freaking unconsciousness. As if I was not trying to show them he was progressing for years.
@@sistersofthemaccabees2497 even then that’s not likely I’ve studied cases like this before as a criminal justice major because the police don’t want to be blamed for allowing it to happen after it’s been reported they’d probably say she was making it all up trying to get him arrested and when it didn’t work she killed him
I agree with the juror who said they were in a toxic relationship & a vicious cycle of abuse that neither one of them knew how to stop. That's what's so tragic.
It's sad when families don't think their family members can be and are abusers. I think they both were wrong. He did not deserve to die, but his family is naive.
@Keith Hutchins Nope. Not even close. She said nothing to indicate that his death was his fault. She is stating that he was an abuser, which is true. So many men love avoiding accountability and trying to enable others to do the same. Grow up. Her comment doesn't define victim blaming at all. Smh
In the middle of watching this and as much as I believe he was abusing her. I believe it was mutual abusing. It was a toxic relationship that turned tragic.
@@sfletch3042 Andrew was definitely reacting to abuse. She was abusive mentally. Why would she make fun of him after sex FOR NO REASON. that's toxic af
I’m sorry but a man 2x the size of a female should never raise a hand to her. I don’t care how many WORDS she said to him.. he physically abused her, period. He killed himself in my opinion. Her story makes total sense.. and even if she did stab him which I don’t think she did(he ran into the knife) it was clearly self defense. She shouldn’t even be in jail. He would have killed her eventually. She’s lucky to be alive. His family should be ashamed of themselves. Your brother/son punches women in the face and chokes them.. Attempts to rape them too. Your in denial. So weird that you don’t want to be interviewed… that right there proves you know you’re in the wrong.
@@jamardns77 I know men like him, and it’s probably because he tried to blame it on her. Sh probably wasn’t “turning him on enough” or some bs. It’s always the females fault with guys like him. What a man child.. punching a tiny woman in her face over WORDS.
If it had been her,he would give information on how unstable she was,probably suicidal and a drug addicts. Then it would never be investigated. Especially with all his cop friends
It's nice to see all the comments praising and complimenting the daughter. Thank goodness she turned out to be so stable and well spoken. Amazing how resilient some people can be.
Amazing how only because they lost their child she’s the bad one, yet they had nothing to say about his abusive behavior. It’s horrible that some died, it’s worse when you even in death enable and ok with him beating on a woman. Her having a “mouth” or “attitude” isn’t an excuse to be hit, His parents want to lay blame however they didn’t live there, but Angelina did. I believe her.
It's hard for those who haven't gone through it to understand. I always feel weird about it because I'm glad they haven't gone through it, nobody deserves to feel like they're nothing, being beat and abused, trying to survive, maybe even feeling crazy (like they say you are) and trying to reclaim some power... I wish nobody died. But, they only know the TV cases. A helpless woman that just says yessir and then starts seeing her kid get abused before she leaves. But that's not the way it goes a lot of the time. He may have expected something was off if she started acting "defenseless", as that's not her personality. You have to sometimes pretend to the point that you do eventually lose yourself and potentially your life. She didnt. And I'm proud of her for that. I think her daughter's intelligence and love speaks volumes.
@@millennialodyssey5956I hear you. I have ptsd from trauma. Not this new age, “I have ptsd from stubbing my toe.” It controls my life. With that said, I want to help every single person who has been S.A. or survived DV whether they’re male or female. So many deny men can be the victim; I don’t. She would be awesome at it if she so chooses to take that career path.
I can see where she's coming from. It is hard to get out of an abusive relationship. I've been in two of them, and my first one my ex-husband was so abusive that he gave me a brain injury and now I have uncontrollable seizures and can't drive anymore. My second abusive relationship my ex-boyfriend would put a loaded gun to my head every time I would threaten to leave him, and one time he even pulled the trigger and luckily the gun jammed. With him I only was able to get out of the relationship because he got arrested on another unrelated felony, and while he was in jail I wrote him a letter telling him we were through and I got a restraining order against him so when he got out that he couldn't come near me or my son. I'm so glad I haven't seen him again. So I can relate to how she feels. It's hard.
In all that fear of abuse he had towards you, would you then send him obscene photos with another man? or would you purposely anger him with stupid comments and get engaged to another man whilst still with him and flaunt it ? I agree that they where both at fault, but I really don't see her as a victim of DV. To me she is narcissistic and he suffered with narcissistic abuse which resulted in him breaking and becoming violent. She then being a Narcissist played victim.
His family is delusional if they think he wasn't equally toxic and abusive. He wasn't an angel and he was an EQUAL contributor to that toxic relationship.
it sadness and unfortunate..but he take her up how her lifestyle..and want change and did stop dancing but he just nt trust her ..and that the abusive relationship continues...he nt man up to walk away...men out there please stop wanting to control females..them nt your child or children
Yes toxic, no angel and an abusive, but didn't deserve to die like this. Stephanie should've never went back to him (I believe because she was afraid to be alone emotionally) and Andrew should've never welcomed her back. Be well and be at peace.
No, clearly he was the abuser if you know the dynamics of abuse. He was intent on controlling her from the beginning. That does not mean "it takes two to tango", especially if the woman doesn't have a shrinking violet, submissive personality.
I grew up watching my mother get beat...the guy put her down all the time. It is very hard to walk away...I seen her with a gun up to her head. Thank God it wasn't loaded. I didn't know that...we would call the cops nothing ever happened. He was horrible to myself and my brothers...till this day it still messes with me. She finally left and went straight into another bad relationship. I broke the cycle...my kids come first always.
Good for you! Same with me. My kids come first. However, it was my dad and my mom was in an impossible situation honestly. My mom is an amazing woman. Tougher than I could ever be! She did finally get away and it isn’t with someone I’d prefer for her because I don’t think he truly loves her the way she deserves. Nonetheless, he doesn’t abuse her! I can’t imagine if she had gone into another relationship like that. That must’ve been terrible for you and for her too of course.
If the daughter witnessed the abuse, why did she not testify? This whole episode is entitled "What Angelina Saw" and I have no idea what she saw after watching this.
I literally just cracked up....and I also had that same thought!!!!! Maybe she was too young to testify??? She knows her Mother was the aggressor probably 90% of the time. She had hardly no bruises on her that night?? Anyway thank you Jesus Yeshua the Christ that the little girl was unharmed physically and hopefully won't have her Mother's traits at all
Despite all the odds, Angelina has come through these traumatic and toxic experiences extremely well. She obviously loves her mother...l wish her every success.
Regardless whether she did it on purpose or she did it in self defence, folk tend to forget how domestic violence can force a man/woman to live on edge constantly, the fear they live through, their life constantly being in danger. Try and escape when you can, no relationship is ever worth this sort of toxic “love”. If you have children these events stays with them forever, find a way to escape with your kids. Domestic violence puts the victim in constant fear, you’re on edge all the time, your life feels in danger, and honestly whether it was on purpose or not with stabbing his neck I don’t see this relationship ending any other way because of how violent it was, the only way it was ending was one of them dying. My parents were violent towards each other, he once dragged her up the stairs, tried to throw large objects at her, tried pushing her down the stairs as I was running in front of her, I remember hiding under the stairs with my dogs and an axe in case I needed to protect myself. That sort of violence stays with you forever, so if you’re staying together “for the kids”? Just leave, because it messes up the kids, we remember the violent incidents as clear as day. I’d rather be poor AF and safe than having a roof over my head and parents that violently beat each other. This sort of violence stays with the kids, my brother turned out to be violent when growing up, my mother encouraged his violence towards me so I ended up in hospital with strangulation marks around my neck and head concussions, the violence we witnessed as kids was so normalised that me being treated that way was “normal” where I escaped just before 19 with a young persons charity. Sometimes the violence witnessed as kids ends up repeating itself in an abusive cycle where the kids adopt the same behaviours.
The sad and horrifying thing is that leaving significantly increases the danger of lethal violence both to the victims and the victim's family members. Not just in that moment, but for a long time afterwards. It's like living between a rock and a hard place...
@@Kari.F. it really is, and sadly the police don’t do a great deal to help either, I’ve friends who left abusive relationships and had exes stalk them, one was at a woman’s shelter and had her crazed ex appear screaming at the shelter and it took the cops a long time to arrive, the whole attitude of “well all they’ve done is stalk you, threaten you and harass you, we can’t do anything until they hurt you”, by which point you could be dead. There needs to be better action taken, instead of dismissing the survivor and their safety. So yeah, rock and hard place.
I can relate to the knife confrontation because it happened to me, and my ex got injured in the process thank God he didn’t die but nobody believed me when I explained how bad he provoked me and it got so bad that I picked up a knife. Picking up a knife was just to scare him away and get him to leave me alone but at the police station it was misinterpreted as a motive to harm and nobody spoke about how bad the situation was that got us there in the first place. My advise to people going through any form of domestic violence is to get up and leave no matter how hard it gets! Because if you don’t nobody will believe how much you’ve suffered and you will just be sent to jail for nothing! I got Lucky but you might not!
Leaving isn't easy and also depending on how bad it is, they have to hide cause this abusive person stalks them. Your basically damned if you do or damned if u don't. I've seen it thank God they didn't die but the dudes in jail. On the news you hear , most times the ex kills the woman then themselves. It's sad but true. Leaving is easier said than done
It's a shame how the family of abusive individuals never see that their loved one was capable of violence. Two toxic lovers ended their relationship with violence. The families need to deal with the toxicity while their loved one is still living. He didn't have to die. He chose that life, though.
And I think they treat them like angels DESPITE behaving violently or abusive and that ultimately can turn them into murderers. Family think because their son didn't hit them he won't hit another woman. He wasn't a helpless baby, he was a strong man and a correctional officer. He could've hurt anyone he wanted behind closed doors.
Not to mention, most abusers are described as loving and sweet by everyone *except* their victims bc that's how they act outside of those closed doors.
The daughter seems the most balanced and articulate of all parties involved. I think she’s correct about Andy’s family inability to see his part in this situation. Parents and siblings rarely know as much as they believe they do.
Y’all really brought that girl back to the scene of the crime and asked her to retell what she saw when she was a child?! How traumatic for no reason-I didn’t need to see her tell the story at the scene to understand what happened. How macabre…as if she hasn’t been through enough. This is why people have a problem with the true crime genre.
She is 20 studying to be a forensic psychologist..did you ever think she may have wanted to do this for her own healing, experience and knowledge, for working with children in her future career? healing comes in many different forms for many different people
So true. She was masking so well during this interview. For even a girl of 20, it’s nearly impossible to understand how to act when on television being asked about a family member’s brutal encounter. I’ve worked in healthcare. I’ve seen my own patients die. It’s traumatic. In the moments recounting what happened, you feel so detached from reality. Trying verbalize what happened, how you feel, etc is surreal. This young lady had to be conflicted with the thrill of being on tv (and riding in a car with a “celebrity,”) but torn up talking about the event. The people discussing what they think about this young lady - that she’s hiding something or that it’s weird that she smiled. It isn’t weird. It’s self-preservation.
I was in an abusive relationship for 5 years. Even though I was scared of him and I was walking on egg shells around him all the time I still would call him stupid. I'd yell at him etc. Just because I would snap and fight back sometimes doesn't mean I wasn't scared...that's a dumb defense for the prosecutor to try and make. There was literally proof that he was abusive so all the way feel bad for his family They might have to accept the fact that their son was also an abusive person
Could not agree more. There is actually a book I found called Walking On Eggshells. I was in a relationship with a guy who was controlling and jealous beyond belief. You do walk on eggshells just to try and not start some confrontation with him. It’s impossible. Literally impossible. I stayed in it 8 months. I would fight back because he’s positions in a fight were ridiculous but you start to think did I really do that to make him feel that way. They are mentally breaking you down. I found that book in a secret trip to the library. Yes, secret. That’s what they do to you. I checked it out. Hid in under my side of the mattress and read it in 2 days. Then I had the police stand by for me when I showed with a moving truck. He tried to threaten me but I served him for a restraining order and he went away. We had no kids so there was nothing to fight over. Thank god.
Yes they are, I had a sister who did this and I was furious and there was nothing that I could do to change her mind. And her oldest daughter has a thing for the last 20 plus years and it's the same thing, but she's trying to break the habit but she's too far gone. She rather listen to the drug addict than her own aunt me, who literally raised her and her siblings, but if that's the case in which it is I'm gone anyway because I'm tired of the toxicity of it all.
And that's why I do not believe that this woman was in a domestic violence situation. There was domestic violence but she was the violent one. Her daughter is covering for her.
As someone who was raised in endless DV ~ I can say that much of this is accurate. Many victims can get used to the DV and even use it against their partner or taunt them into a violent act. This doesn’t make them any less of a victim. Victims in these situations do what they have to do to survive. They acclimate. Or they are just messed up themselves. Again, they are still victims. And the family seeing him as an innocent angel, incapable of the violent acts proven to have occurred, is also quite normal. They will die on that hill. Just how it is. Had she been the one to have died, they still would have blamed her.
@@Emerson-jq8ejif only it were that simple, Emerson. do you truly believe that hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of people all over the world actively seek a partner who abuses them? surely you can’t be that dense. the cycle of abuse is a complicated thing.
@@delaneyrae7you are so right. Not to mention how abusers wait until you're good and trapped to ramp up their abuse. A parent of an abusive man will pretty much blame the woman for antagonizing him. You're right. So right.
The only person I have sympathy for is the daughter. She had a sick relationship with a man, brought that violence into her own home and let her child marinate in their toxicity for years. What is not being said in this situation is what is the loudest to me.
They were both toxic people and were both abusive towards eachother. With that being i believe the prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she murdered him.
@@lostandfound5145 Please leave and for God's sake do NOT run straight into another mans arms. You see this so often-as was the case here. That poor man does NOT deserve you bringing your toxicity, abuse and instability into their lives. Women (particularly) seem to feel so entitled to do this rather than admitting they're horrible, toxic, irresponsible people too. They need to go away and work on themselves ON THEIR OWN to resolve their issues. If they don't, you have very compelling evidence the woman is comfortable as an abuser herself.
I don’t understand.. she got out.. she got away.. she got engaged to another guy. He broke it off because apparently she was abusive to him. So she was single again.. free of any men. But chose to go back to Andy.. I don’t get that.
@@angelapursley2811 It was a silly decision. Feels like a lot of people don't want their silly decisions to be called silly. Abuse is wrong, but that doesn't mean bad decisions aren't bad decisions and people aren't in some way responsible for situations they place themselves in. Watched a lot of these videos where parents agonize over the fact that their child won't leave a toxic situation despite having them to fall back on. Some of these abuse victims literally want to be with their abuser as mind-boggling as that is.
She was most likely getting abused.....but she was also abusing him.It was a toxic relationship that was never gonna end well no matter what.Nothing that starts in a strip club is ever gonna be a fairy tale sorry guys...
It is funny, because 48 hours and dateline is full of episodes about people that try it to live a life, but they are very problematic. Toxic, insecure, this never ends well, ever.
Reactive abuse isn't like predatory abuse. If you are abused long enough dependent upon your personality at some point you're going to have enough and you're going to react to that and fight fire with fire.
When I worked in the ER (nightshift in Tampa) I was really surprised by how many people came in from nightclubs and bars. Everyone tries to act like you go to those places to have fun, but there's a lot of violence and crime there.
Unless someone has been in a domestic violence situation, you truly can't relate. I believe the daughter hit the nail on the head stating that he became a completely different person, like he was possessed. He was baby girl. You know it when you see it and its terrifying.
I was a woman in a very abusive relationship and I was terrified of him. I have to admit I did think at one point of defending myself at any cost. I was told so many times by the officers who say my battered face and the bruises from head to toe to leave him. I could not and I thought I could not survive on my own. This was even though I was the one paying all the bills so he could put everything I made up his nose. I never did drugs and he made sure of this. I still stayed because I did love him and was also scared to death of him. I was blessed to get out alive but just barely. I understand this woman and I get why she would actually put the knife in his neck even if intentional. I was never brave enough to protect myself. My family made sure I never saw him again even though he came all the way across the country to get to me. I am alive today and I am grateful for my life. His family knew he did these things to me and never helped me one time. It was always my fault. I feel for her and I know his family will never tell the truth anyways. I do feel for his family but they will never admit it.
My ex abused me when I was just 16 years old, he was 18. All because I asked him to stop cursing around my niece and nephew I was babysitting. He attacked me with a fly swatter. I yelled for my friend to run to my mother's house with them and call 911. He threw me on the floor choking me and said "Well since the cops are coming, I'll give them a reason to come". I started trying to say things like "baby, she's (my friend who witnessed him attack me) not really calling the police" "I'll tell them I lied, I love you" etc etc to get him off of me. I ran to the bathroom and locked the door. They broke the front door down when he wouldn't let them in. He was arrested once they got me to open the door and saw my injuries. His mother bailed him out not even a few hours later.... His family was as psycho as he was BUT, he was banned from the apartment we shared and was charged with assault and battery, lost the right to have any weapons etc. So it was a win for me 🎉
Wow, I am very sorry 😔💔 What a terrifying experience. Sending love and prayers. You are so Brave. You got out Alive. I cannot believe the people we love the most hurt us the most. Peace ✌️
Well said. I've seen too many cases where a victim of domestic abuse gets a restraining order but ends up dead anyway because the abuser does not respect the law or care about the consequences. This man deserved what he got. It's the only way out for many women. Either he dies or they do. Better that it's him.
Its crazy how hard the prosecution was trying to disregard the abuse she went through and paint her as a liar. Everything about this is shady asf. Then they try to say she planned it all when she had fresh bruises on her body
@@paolavesgasalcedo3278 Do you honestly compare a real DV victim to Amber Heard, who painted a bruise on her face and never had a single scratch on her?!! You obviously didn’t read the court files otherwise you would be ashamed of her actions, on behalf of REAL victims!
There was zero pictures of fresh bruises. But that's jumping the gun (lol, more in that later), but what a perfect crime to make bruises if you need a cover after gouging someone,who is in one made up lie holding a gun and punching and headbutting....oh, her struggle is real! 😂
That daughter is an AMAZING YOUNG WOMAN!! shows courage, dignity and she is getting a degree to " show her mom" when she gets out of prison. I mean she could Be a bitter self pitying depressed person but I'm just amazed at how she is handling everything
His family not willing to accept the possibility that their own son/brother is probably just as guilty and may have contributed to his own death gives me THE biggest eye roll…😒🙄🙄🙄🙄 The daughter is wiser than all these adults!
As someone who has been in a DV relationship (marriage actually) it’s VERY hard, and very toxic. Of course the family will never think the abuser is in the wrong - at least in my case, they make the other person (most times the woman) the bad one, while they look perfect. It seems to me, they were toxic to each other. Unfortunately it ended this way, so many dv cases end in death. It’s hard to leave. Almost 3 years later, I’m just now coming out of survival mode. I’m just now not scared every moment, of everyday. I have PTSD & I forget A LOT! Trauma causes people to forget, whether she did it or not.
I’m a survivor of DV as well, also married (still waiting on divorce), and you’re so right. It’s only been a couple of months for me, I had to have the cops remove him. I’m still not doing good, it’s hard to cope after him nearly killing me and abusing me for as long as he did. I’m glad you got away and I wish you well ❤
Exactly....out in public everyone thinks they are amazing! Kind, considerate and loving. No one realizes what goes on behind closed doors! Glad you survived and escaped.
As a woman who has been in 2 IPV relationships, you can have reactive violence, in which the victim lashes out at their abuser, most commonly done intentionally by the abuser so they can say, "you're so abusive, look how crazy you're acting." I didn't hear any mention of this at all in this case.
I’m still in a mentally and verbally abusive relationship. After enduring hours, yes hours, of being yelled at, named called, put down the minute I raised my voice even to yell “leave me alone” I’m the bad guy, the crazy one. My vehicle the one Ive paid every note on is in his name, he’s said if I leave in it, he’s calling the police on me. I have no family and don’t earn enough to support myself. I have no way out
@@dawnribbeck4526I'm sorry!! Contact a woman's shelter, stack money somehow to get away, get receipts where you paid for vehicle...somehow find a way to escape! Wish you the best!!
@@dawnribbeck4526 Sorry to hear that but you only need your self-worth to get away from any abusive relationship and nothing else. you don't need vehicle or anything like that. get out before it can turn into worst and call women shelter. you can do a lot of things to earn money and get your own apartment. a lot of people are brainwashed to be useless or worthless that's why they think they don't have a way out and they really think they need to depend on someone to live their life.
You can tell she really wants a relationship with her mom. My concern is the way she mentions multiple times how her successes and accomplishments will make her mom happy as if just spending time with her and having experiences together wouldn't be enough.
I’m so SICK of people asking us abused women: “why didn’t you leave/call the cops?” I just started replying: “Oh, because I enjoyed being locked in a cage. You should try it!” 😒🙄😠
2 abusive people who can't control their temper and enter a relationship and only one of them survives. When her "nice guy" ex said she tried to stab him multiple times, it's hard to see her as a total innocent.
@@stephaniedison4878 she isn’t victim when she clearly lies and she isn’t victim when she provekes her boyfriend by sending him sexual encounters she made with her ex boyfriend. Is this how victim act ?
@@Aboma2012 Provoking someone with a text is not justification for them to retaliate with violence... Which he did. As evidenced by the bruises on her body and the text messages he sent threatening her life.
Being a domestic violence survivor myself..I feel she did what she had to do to stop him. Some women don’t have the gull to do what she did. 😳 I hope she’s doing better today.
I agree with you. I’m a survivor of domestic violence myself, as well. When you’ve lived with DV, you understand this a lot more. I’m glad you’re ok, as well!💓
Great coverage, the daughter is so well spoken and the best friend is a Friend we all need ❤️❤️ the mama- I hope you find peace forgiveness and self worth. You’re beautiful.
She comes across as addicted to getting attention from men. Her profession, the fact that she describes the men in terms of how they treated her, intentionally riling up the aggressive man, and ignoring the fact that her lifestyle is damaging to her daughter. But then again, he stuck with her rather than moving on, which is equally wrong. They were both disturbed individuals for keeping the relationship going. The true victim is the daughter who cannot emotionally detach herself from her mother.
As a woman who was in a seriously DV “relationship” that only got worse when I tried ending it….you can be choked up to the point of losing consciousness even & NOT show any signs around your neck, even a short time later.
Yeah it's ridiculous, I had a partner try to gauge my eyeballs out, choke me. No marks or anything. The cops say you basically have to be dead or seriously injured to get any consequential value to the offending party. So yeah, idk. It's so annoying these kind of parents raise boys and support their idea that a certain kind of woman "deserves" abuse. The parents and sister ooze that.
In my opinion, she did what she had to in order to protect herself and her child upstairs. Ladies, let this be a lesson to hold off on dating until your kids are older.
So Fernandes wasn't afraid of becoming engaged to another man at the same time she was engaged to the man she most feared. The "other man" finds out, dumps her, and what does she do? Goes straight back to the "brutish" Wagner, "out of fear". All totally believable. I wonder what happened to the $44,000 engagement ring.
She had no money no job and a child to support in a country with no safety nets for people like her thanks to Ronnie Reagan... As far as the ring is concerned... if the man who gives it rescinds his offer, she's entitled to it. If she changes her mind, she's obligated to give it back. That's how contracts work.
I was married to a man that sounds exactly like Andrew. NO ONE, NO ONE knew what he was like behind closed doors at our home. Thank goodness I finally got enough courage to leave. I do believe have I not left when I did this could very well have been us. Either him or myself would not be here today. He is now on his 4th wife.
You can feel her panic, fear and desperation for him to just be alive. This was ridiculous that she was charged for anything stronger than aggravated assault. His family is in such denial bless them.
Eyerolls for the dead man's family. It's funny that they believe he was such a great guy. I understand the grief of losing a family member, but you don't have to be so in denial about the person's character.
It's so typical. There are a few things that I have more disrespect for than grown adults to can't face the truth. It's such a repulsive character flaw imo.
@@sfletch3042 ikr. some people say oh we should be empathetic because its their kid but idk i hope i wouldn't blindly support my child even when hes a domestic abuser.
I hate when families just totally disregard the fact that their loved one was an abuser. Just b/c they died doesn’t mean they’re an angel. Bad ppl die too. It’s like they just want “Justice” in any way they can get b/c they’re hurting. Which is understandable but still doesn’t change the fact that this person was a narcissist & super jealous & violent…
She's all about men. She didn't care about her daughter's safety and went back to her abuser. During the initial interrogation, she screams out her abuser is her everything. Doesn't even talk about missing her daughter, just concerned about herself. Lady bye
I absolutely believe her ex boyfriend Mike Leramie. Stephanie was lying when she said she never cut up his furniture when asked during the interview. She looked down and away when asked about it. I also believe Andrew and Stephanie were obviously BOTH abusive to each other.💯I feel bad for Andrew’s family, but they are in total denial..he was a VERY abusive man.
Body language is a loose guideline. Not everybody acts the same way and victims often have a hard time maintaining eye contact. Her attorneys would have coached her on demeanor and body language anyway.
Neither of them were innocent in this, it was a tragic outcome of a toxic relationship. Andrews family has to come to terms he was just as much as an abuser as Stephanie was. They were not good together. She had bruises on her. Stephanie had a foul mouth and vindictive behavior to hurt him. Her daughter is the one who suffered in this. Somehow this beautiful young lady is thriving in life to educate others and help others who go through these situations. That's what you call strong. Good Job Miss Lady.....
Along these lines, if the use of physical force against a woman is the worst version of a man, driving a man crazy is the worst version of a woman. Sometimes the two go together.
The one of the best comment in here. He abused her because he was jealousy and she text him foul messages. Both were at fault. I grew up in an abused house. I know she was a victim but at the same time he was a victim to her as well. Both of them were not good for each other. She can tell her side but he is not hear to tell his said. It’s really sad because in cases like this, the ending is the same for both. He could have killed her, but I am sure no one would want to hear his side if it was the other way around.
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I was in a domestic relationship and I was charged for Stabbing him after he kicked in my door and he dropped my 3mon old son I found out there is not a self defense laws in the state of NJ. Laws need to be changed .
People please get out of the relationships if you can safely your life definitely depends on it..
I was in a DV situation, and the daughter saying it was like he was possessed is completely accurate. You can be arguing back and forth with someone but you will know the SECOND it is about to get violent because their eyes go dark and it is so scary.
Definitely! Not even "like" possession, it literally is. Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places. I'm so glad you're out of it now. So many women have been killed.
@Rebecca Yes, his eyes were bright bright blue and when I would tell people their eyes go dark they just didn't understand. It is seriously like watching a train coming at you but you can't move.
Oh definitely, that’s my life😢
@@jubimathew3169 I wish you the best and all the strength to get out of that situation, it took me 7 years but I finally did it.
Stephanie is the one that was possessed and murdered him...
It’s so sad to hear this child was dragged through all these toxic relationships when she deserved at least one adult who prioritized her well-being and stability.
Absolutely agree!
Same thing happened to my nephew and his sister. My sister dragged her kids through so many of her toxic relationships. Luckily her son (my nephew) has a good head on his shoulders! He got out good and healthy!
You can openly blame her mother. Or it’s not allowed for women to call out pathetic women?
@@AkashSharma-ib1qx it is her fault for staying in the relationship but not her fault that he was abusive. But yeah, the kids should come first always.
@@AkashSharma-ib1qx a woman literally just called out this mother for being irresponsible and selfish. Put your listening ears on.
It’s amazing how some young kids turn to be so smart and well spoken out of a broken family, well done to this young lady.
Ted Bundy was smart and well spoken.
@@timb7775 anything is possible, but in this case this young lady is clearly not a serial killer!!
Hard lives create strong people, strong times create
Either strong people who were raised with values or immoral people who are raised with entitlement. Those of us who are unlucky enough to be raise in less than stellar households typically choose to not have children.
Life will make you hard..
Like steel in and out of the furnace, and beat on...hardened in the fire...
Every person makes choices which lead to who the become, regardless of upbringing. Let us not forget how many Hunter Bidens there are out there…
She had ptsd from narcissistic abuse.
Rare case. Usually the abuser kills their victim, not the other way around.
I have total empathy for Stephanie.
Just curious, how much do you charge for a UA-cam mental health diagnosis?
@@abhijit-sarkarI was counting the buzz words
She seems to be good actor, making up the story
she is just a murderer
she was the abuser 100%
@@doodlebob2023i think they both were
Her friend described what it's like to be in a violent relationship more accurately than I've ever heard.
She wouldn't be in jail if she wasn't guilty...
@catalaya3530 her brief comments keep playing over and over in my mind. I know exactly what you mean.
Her daughter her friends defend her but she crazy to
@@jamardns77 hahahahahahaha
Like Judge Judy says, these two people deserve each other. Don't buy into the narrative.
The most adult and well spoken person in this entire episode...was a child. She seems to be an amazing child who will do great things.
Brein washed by her mom
A psychiatrist might say otherwise. If you noticed the way she was smiles while describing blood and chaos. I bet she is not the little angel people assume based on these few clips, just great at putting on a face like her mom
She knows her mom isn’t innocent. The dude isn’t either. If he was attacking and yelling and trying to rape her, the daughter knows more. I’d get it if it was a 3,4, or maybe even 5 year old that might not be cognitive enough and can sleep through any, but the daughter was older and I seriously don’t believe she slept through or didn’t hear anything until it was all over.
She's 20!
except shes been brainwashed by her mothers lies
It’s amazing how certain families cannot accept that their child is capable of violence & abuse.
omg say it louder so the back row can hear you!! 🗣️🗣️👏🏾👏🏾 i can’t tell you HOW true this is, especially being a DV victim myself.
Seriously my abusive ex could do no wrong. It was my fault, bc I stood up for myself...crazy crap
@Megan sounds mutual.
It's crazy. U never know what people are like . These people are like chameleons just adapt to where they are its scary
It’s like they don’t realize the one that knows all is the child stuck in the middle. She saw the evil and her mother won. Maybe not the way she had wish too.
That child emotionally handled that with the utmost maturity. She's a strong one.
There’s always two sides to every story, but the fact that the prosecutors try to paint him as an innocent victim is completely laughable to me.
I agree.
Well she's the one who tried to stab her previous bf twice and killed the other one so yea..
He is guilty of not leaving her as soon as he found out that she was a psycho
@@terrorsquadlith yeah that’s her past. Y’all act like she the only one who said something when it was SHOWN IN TEXT how verbally abusive he was. Definitely self defense stoopid.
@@terrorsquadlith
There’s no proof of what he said as being true!
But the man that died, his parents definitely look rich enough to pay someone to say it!!
I work in the criminal justice system. Domestic violence cases are a major part of my caseload. I’ve worked on hundreds and hundreds of DV cases.
A few things that I’d like to pass along:
-If your significant other uses physical force, violence, or emotional abuse against you, GET HELP NOW. Do not wait. It will not get better. You cannot fix the person. The abuse will only get worse. I have seen it time and time again. You may think your situation is unique, and somehow the other person will learn or get better. Trust me, it will only get worse.
-If you are in a new relationship, do not move in with the person right away….especially if you have children. Get to know the person. Give it some time. When people move in together after only dating for a few weeks or months, it rarely (if ever) ends well.
When the man is the abuser, there´s usually a money-issue involved. She doesn´t leave because she depends on him to pay the bills. In the featured case, he was not stalking her - she could´ve left, gotten a job, and paid for her own bills, differently from some cases where the man is the abuser and doesn´t allow her to get out. She got engaged but started being aggressive with the other guy who called it quits. When the woman is the abuser, the man is usually in for sex, intense sex. Sometimes because of the kids as well. And you said it well - when a - significant other - which can be a man or a woman is violent, neither should insist on that relationship, ever!
@therealz 360z They want ever mention that , thier victims from being loyal to their next option.
Princess Peach You might as well save your breath!!
@stanfen I came here to get a laugh at all the silly boys who came here just to spew pathetic"all women bad" rhetoric, and yall didn't disappoint. It's obvious who really plays the victim. How ironic. Lmao
People that recklessly move their kids in with people they hardly know are failing to protect their children. How many criminal cases involve mom's boyfriend or dad's girlfriend being the one to hurt or murd3r the child? Too many. Protect your kids first. Then worry about yourself.
I like how it's a story of 2 adults but they prioritised the child in the video title because she's the silent victim in all of this thanks to the both of them. It's saddening but also relieving when you see what an intelligent young lady she's become instead of what all this could have turned her into.
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From the photographs it's evident they appeared happy at one time, a beautiful family but I suppose with all relationships in the beginning things are sunshine butterflies birds singing and everything's coming up love but as time move on it seems people change or ill say the real person appears and totally clashes crashes and burns the facade that made them desirable and made the other fall in love with them, often times from that point destruction and grief follows, very bad situation here they seemed to have it all but looks are deceiving and have nothing to do with the heart character attitude spirit or behavior of a individual, Stephanie has a amazingly strong intelligent daughter no doubt her mother is very proud of her.
@@michaelsinclair3321Some relationships begin well and stay good because the people in them are normal and not two psychopaths like these two obviously were.
She’s 20 at the time. That’s not much living… yet. Hopefully she knows better…. Don’t be anything like “mom”.
@@JackPeloquin mum knows best, and 20 years of age is half a life span. 👍🍻
I was abused for the eight years I was married. There was only one time when there was any visible marking. He threw a heavy vase at me, splitting my lip open. I had stitches to close a one inch vertical complete open tear in my lip. My husband was a university professor and people teased me that he had done it. At the hospital, and to everyone who tried to get me to say that my husband had done it, I said I fell down the stairs. I didn't want anyone to know that my husband would hurt me. I was ashamed of that. It took a long time to heal the emotional scars, including the teasing from people at the university.
Please tell me you left him
I’m so sorry you went through that.. you did NOT deserve ANY of it.
On the flip side, I’m so proud of you for surviving it and speaking openly about it! 👏💪
You’re here with us and moving forward every day. I’m happy about that 🫂❣️
Maybe you also had this feeling that there would be judgement because you chose this person as your life partner and so there was hesitation to express what was actually going on. This goes for both genders. But sorry to know that you went through all that. Hope you left him
Saying you should be ashamed for choosing this man as a partner is victim blaming. People like to pretend it could never happen to them because they are too smart or too good at making choices. Abusers don't slug you in the face the first time you go out with them. It usually grows more violent and more overt with time. Those people should read Lundy Bancrofts book "Why does he do that?". You can find it for free on the web. Stop the victim blaming. Her husband threw the vase. He is the only one at blame.
Do better @poojapatole3573
This is why i didn’t date when my kid’s dad left. Didn’t date until my kid TOLD me too around age 17-ish after asking me why I never had a boyfriend. I told my kid that there was too much risk to her if I dated. Not just this type of stuff, but also abandonment issues for her if it didn’t work out 1, 2, 3… who knows how many relationships over those 14 years.
It’s not worth it. She is now 21. I don’t regret my decision.
I commend you for being a responsible parent!!
Much Love, Mama. If only more kids were so fortunate to be put first, as you did, your daughter❣️
I did the same exact. Didn’t date until my son graduated high school.
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Me too. My child's a grown adult now. I've just always been very happy to be by myself and my child's safety and security is soo important and always will be.
Despite all of this happening the daughter truly turned out to be a wonderful, intelligent , and compassionate young lady. I hope nothing but the absolute best for her future, she's gonna accomplish her dreams and more. Growing up in a household where there's domestic violence is insanely traumatic.
I absolutely agree with you. And I just wanted to add on the last part of your comment that I think she will become more wiser in finding love and committing into a relationship because she grew up witnessing the domestic violence her mother went through.
The daughter just smiles as she describes every horrible act that happened...that isn't a coping smile.
@@tystin_gaming I noticed that too
I think the child believes her mother to be a victim, when honestly I believe the mother was the aggressor. Unfortunately the daughter has been taught to lie about the situation and to treat her mother as a martyr. And so the cycle continues.
Shout out from the 508! ❤
Did anyone else think Angelina was going to play more of a part based on the title?
I thought she was gonna be a key witness or something
They used the kid as clickbait and it’s wicked gross. She was 11 when this all happened.
I did and they are trash for click baiting.
Yup. Thought she’d be a witness at least
@@angiebear8727 - She probably was a witness but they just didn’t show her because the judge didn’t allow it to be recorded. And they were able to speak to her as an adult instead. Maybe.
That judge gave a light sentence, 8 years, which takes into account the complications in this case. Rare to have a judge that is actually fair like this.
You can tell the woman questioning her has never been abused. You can totally be in fear of your abuser and fight back. Sometimes you don’t because you know you will get badly hurt but when it’s happening all the time, you snap and hit back, even though it usually doesn’t do anything.
I absolutely fought back against my abuser. It was out of sheer fear for my life. I feel like anyone would fight back if they thought they would be killed.
While this may be true, I don’t find her credible. So many things point to her guilt.
@@Devilicious. definitely. And a lot of abused women are actually some of the bravest women.
Its what Amber Heard did but everyone accused her of violence...
Snapping back and hitting or hurting someone because they hitting on you is self defense, different when your not being attacked and you pick up a knife and stab them in the neck, that’s what the forensic evidence proof, that lady murdered the man. not because some of you can relate to DV n are female you going to be illiterate and blind to acknowledge the proven wrong doing in this case, it’s clear she killed the man in cold blood, she bin the abusive one in this relationship.
I don't think it's fair how they waited 8 years to start a trial and expected her to recall every tiny detail such as how long he choked her. 🙄
Sounds like a tactic to me.
I dont think its fair how she had 8 years to come up with a defence! Throw her a pitch and she knows how to hit it! ..terrible woman! Stabbing the chair of the man she was having an affair with! True Jezebel spirit! This woman is psychotic!!
@@Fletch2022 deluded
Yes like you are gonna ever count when being choked to the point of death. I think then you just pray they stop and you do not die that day. Some prosecutors are really insane
@@Fletch2022 she is no saint. Grabbing a knife was a bad choice but he had a gun. They were both abusive. Who is to say he wouldn’t have killed her?
Can't help but marvel at what a good kid the daughter turned out to be.
Right. Because of her mother! She was loved and shown love!
How do you know the daughters not working at the club right now?
@@paul9912 Give it a rest
She's a great young woman, but many who come from such dysfunction are because they're forced to grow up alot faster than they should have to bytheir parents choices. So her damage won't be realized by her til she's in her mid to late 20's.
I'm not saying she won't do great in life, just that she'll be processing the trauma of that night (& all the other violent fights she had to see & hear all her childhood, plus the effects from her mom being gone to prison during her very formative years when she needed a good mother there beside her) for a very fong time.
She'll carry scars from it, through the different things it all taught her, some beneficial lessons but also a lot of bad coping skills, trouble with or an inability to focus on her ownself enough, trying to not be over responsible to make up for all her mom lacked, maybe trouble even knowing what she should expect from others,, forgiving too much bad behavior, things like that. She also may've learned from her mom's dysfunctional lifestyle & choices, her mom's way of not treating guys right (due to her own life I know) & not knowing when to end a relationship (even if you still love a person) could end up causing the daughter to accept hings she should not accept & to not expect to be treated right, as she should expect.
It's alot of baggage to be put through what she's been put through. If her mom had been a GOOD mom, she would not have had her daughter living in a house with so much reoccurring violence, when a GUN was brought into the home, when she KNEW how toxic their relationship was. She bounced from guy to guy trying to get them to pay her bills for her so she didn''t have to.
@@janet5846lllm
The way she presented herself on the stand seems pretty honest to me. She didn't try to over-dramatise things, or present herself as a perfect person. It's disappointing that the jury didn't understand that imperfect people can be victims too, it doesn't make them "as bad as each other". And it should be obvious that abuse brings out the worst in anyone.
I agree with you. She seemed honest in the fact that she did not paint herself as perfect. I think that is important because I know that is what I would do in a similar situation. I know Iam not perfect , no one is. It shows she is telling the truth (I think).Also I know that abuse, especially emotional abuse, really messes you up. There are little triggers from abuse that can hit you hard. They do or say mean messed up things to you over and over kinda like conditioning you. Hard to say for sure, but that jury was disappointing. Nobody is perfect. Lawyers always want to paint the picture of a perfect person on both sides. That just isn’t life. His parents and lawyers were not fair knowing he was abusive and ignoring that fact. If anything she should have been given a more lienient punishment and help like a therapist etc.
Also we have this weird thing about making someone out to be perfect when they die. You just want to pick out the persons good moments/ qualities only because it is so sad.
I agree. The jurors said they were both victims, but their victimization wasn’t equal. He still had his job, money, friends, a village. He forced her to quit her job, made sure she was completely reliant on him financially, and isolated her in many ways. It’s not uncommon for a victim of DV to eventually fight back in public where she’s safe, I’m not surprised at all that his friend saw her punch him at a wedding. But his friend didn’t sit there and try to cover up bruises with makeup for months bc there wasn’t an extensive history of her hurting him. I agree they were both toxic at times, but she was clearly under his control and had reason to fear for her life in that moment. I think the jury felt like some responsibility/punishment was necessary because a life was lost, but I disagree with their verdict. She wasn’t a perfect person but she was struggling to survive. He would still be alive today if not for his own actions.
@@breckenelise4agreed with you
@@cleansweepduo2121 I didn t like the way she behaved when they interrogated the first time and also when she took the stand. I just couldn t believe her. Both acted in a toxic way and she had surely learnt to be a tough cookie because of her job and beauty.
I would be proud to have a daughter like this young lady. Very brave and genuine.
She didn't seem genuine to me at all. To be honest I found her very disingenuous but I'm not surprised that someone who puts on a soft voice and smiles a lot and even tries not to is seen in a positive light. It's a typical reaction.
@@CandiceGoddard I agree. It's extremely disturbing that she smiled throughout the entire interview, any of the interviews. Laughing even. And no, not a nervous smile or laugh.. she seemed very comfortable acting out her part.
@@CandiceGoddard 100%! Most ppl are so easily manipulated
@@AmysAttitudeSo what is your reason why she would put up an act? She’s glad that she lost both parents? Because that makes no sense. Clearly she had a good relationship with her mom and you’ve been watching too many crime shows to assume every person, kids even, are guilty of something. She has no reason to enjoy her only support system and protecter being taken away from her
I do not see that daughter so positive. She also had the genes of her mother, not good genes. She is an actor, but has cold eyes.
That young girl is staggeringly grounded and well spoken. Huge respect, she'll make a brilliant psychologist.
I accidentally misread that as brilliant psychopath, which was disconcerting. Not that all psychopaths are inherently evil but it's generally not meant as a positive trait. I think I've watched too much true crime lately
How will she be good as a psychologist? When she has completely not seen her mums blatant lies about her iteral actions in murdering her dad.
@stefan2005stefan - He wasn't her dad. He was her mother's boyfriend, and the daughter had stated she thought of him as her stepdad.
@@lc285 So u knew wat i meant then .
She learned from the best...her mother
As someone who was raised in an abusive household, I never felt like I had a choice in the abuse. Due to this lack of control I often would say nasty insulting things to my father because it was my ONLY way of feeling some sort of empowerment/control. I was always terrified of my father while doing this but also had a feeling of “what’s the worst that could happen?” Watching this blew my mind. The fact so many people don’t have empathy for Stephanie and what she went through is heartbreaking. Just insane
So true. And the fact that she admitted to not being afraid while she was with another man, but was afraid when she wasn't. Hello people???
the truth is something that never changes, regardless of time. lies are impossible to remember after an 8 year time period.
I’m sorry for the abuse you lived through and I completely, COMPLETELY understand. God bless you and grant you peace moving forward. You deserve all the happiness in life.
@@jasestrickland1704 thank you I appreciate that. I worked really hard to process and heal from it and am very happy now :)
You are a Sister of the Heart. Hard to get through Father's Day -- and, for that matter, Mother's Day. And the cute store-bought onslaught before it. And the TV ads! Obviously, I am not a member of the Dear Daddy, Mommy and Happy-Happy Family Brigade. What goes on behind fine-looking "Upper Middle Class Homes" with perfect lawns, mammoth shuttered cottage houses and long drives for fine cars. It ain't just trailer parks, like the cliche'. From a big house "nestled cozily back in a cul-de sac" the neighborhood can't hear the screams.
I’m a mental health counselor and I hope this woman is getting a TON of therapy. She needs it badly. This was a mutually toxic relationship between 2 equally unstable people. Sending best wishes to this incredible daughter.
Her friend described the reason a lot of people stay in domestic violence situations very eloquently very on point.
I just thought that too,.. until the more information about this woman behavior... Her previous fiance also sue her for domestic violence.. and she admitted she also text him and intentionally makes him mad... Why she surprised he will be abuse her??
Yes !!
Especially when she answered questions about her ex.. she always answer it without looking at the journalist.. she excuse she hit the victim cause it's "she hit back"...and the same time acting like she's a helpless victim... And her answer about the incident have a many version. This woman is not a victim.
Yes! And if she had been an abuser herself, she would have also abused her child, but she didn't. The daughter seems to have had a lovely childhood, until he entered their life.
@@Analysis_Paralysis On point!
The daughter is happy and focused on her education, and shows no conflicting signs of anger or ambivalence towards her mom. Your comment brings good questions to light.
For those of you who don't know: Worcester, MA is not a nice place to live. It's easy to get wrapped up in wrongdoings and crime, so I commend the daughter for become so well spoken. I commend her for keeping her head on straight through all of this tragedy in a city where it's hard to look out towards anything else.
Worcester Mass born n raised & I can contend that this is true unfortunately
i think it says everything about the case and angelinas upbringing i mean there was no trouble from dad !!!! thst speaks volumes the only time angelina and her mammy didnt feel safe was when andy was there i from my eyes n ears think its as simple as that ❤✌🍀🍀🍀🍀🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
Nah, there are lots of nice areas of Worcester and a bunch of great colleges. I know tons of people (born and raised) in that city, and no one is involved in crime. That girl turned out great, despite her mother. Not despite the city.
I wonder if she went into foster child program?
i was born and grew up in main south worcester and men and women in relationships and in life are tough as the city is and since the 60s im aware of and worse today is violent .... i left in my 20s yet i do know these relationships from my 30 nieces and nephews there are 2 way violent and agressive ... these 2 here just had an end anyone could have ended up in without a total change of what they and we all grew up in and around.... this is why i left.. i was horrible and was treated horrible also... i worked hard and deep for years to rip out and work out what i was learned from birth and my surroundings in the hood more than inside my home where my parents were not beaters ... the truth that sets us free is the truth about our selves... in all here i seen i agree this sentence and circumstances are just... now i hope the woman inside works and is honest and reprograms what i and everyone i ever knew from there was and learned ....
I’m not finish watching but when people say why didn’t you go to the police. For why? Historically they don’t help UNTIL someone is dead.
Amanda Mayne went to the police station asking for help, and 48 hours later, she was gunned down on a public street by an ex-boyfriend.
Going to the police might have helped her to not be convicted of manslaughter. She might've walked free because of all those police reports🤷🏿🤷🏿🤷🏿
I had an ex mailing me my own underwear and pictures of me changing, went to the police with the evidence and the policeman asked me “well, has he ever hit you?”
When he smashed my window with a metal chair trying to break into my house, the policeman said because he never entered the house, and because he never hit me, that there was nothing the cops could do.
Then they had the nerve to be surprised when he choked his new girlfriend into freaking unconsciousness. As if I was not trying to show them he was progressing for years.
@@sistersofthemaccabees2497 even then that’s not likely I’ve studied cases like this before as a criminal justice major because the police don’t want to be blamed for allowing it to happen after it’s been reported they’d probably say she was making it all up trying to get him arrested and when it didn’t work she killed him
@@jadeybug12 I’m so sorry that happened to you. I can’t even imagine the fear, let alone anger at the cops for doing nothing to protect you.
I agree with the juror who said they were in a toxic relationship & a vicious cycle of abuse that neither one of them knew how to stop. That's what's so tragic.
Still, there was an initator..and it was not her
I feel so sorry for this girl who witnessed so much violence. God bless her today and in her future.🙏
Fully agree!
I agree this is very tragic 😢
Amen, Lord
@@lukevance yes, it is.
It's sad when families don't think their family members can be and are abusers. I think they both were wrong. He did not deserve to die, but his family is naive.
The sister is definitely delusion. The photos don’t lie.
Blame the victim
@Keith Hutchins If that's how you read it, that's on you. I just find it ironic his family considered him completely innocent.
@Keith Hutchins Nope. Not even close. She said nothing to indicate that his death was his fault. She is stating that he was an abuser, which is true. So many men love avoiding accountability and trying to enable others to do the same. Grow up. Her comment doesn't define victim blaming at all. Smh
@@sfletch3042 he’s dead
In the middle of watching this and as much as I believe he was abusing her. I believe it was mutual abusing. It was a toxic relationship that turned tragic.
There's not really a true situation of mutual abusing. There is domestic abuse and then there is reactive abuse in response to that.
@@sfletch3042 Andrew was definitely reacting to abuse. She was abusive mentally. Why would she make fun of him after sex FOR NO REASON. that's toxic af
@@sfletch3042 some couples change roles every now and then making it mutual. It's called toxic relationships.
I’m sorry but a man 2x the size of a female should never raise a hand to her. I don’t care how many WORDS she said to him.. he physically abused her, period. He killed himself in my opinion. Her story makes total sense.. and even if she did stab him which I don’t think she did(he ran into the knife) it was clearly self defense. She shouldn’t even be in jail. He would have killed her eventually. She’s lucky to be alive.
His family should be ashamed of themselves. Your brother/son punches women in the face and chokes them.. Attempts to rape them too. Your in denial. So weird that you don’t want to be interviewed… that right there proves you know you’re in the wrong.
@@jamardns77 I know men like him, and it’s probably because he tried to blame it on her. Sh probably wasn’t “turning him on enough” or some bs. It’s always the females fault with guys like him. What a man child.. punching a tiny woman in her face over WORDS.
I had a friend that was in an abusive relationship. The 1 and only time she fought back, she was the one arrested.
That's rare. Usually it's the other way around.
If it had been her,he would give information on how unstable she was,probably suicidal and a drug addicts. Then it would never be investigated. Especially with all his cop friends
Reality is she was the abuser
I'm not surprised. It isn't as rare as people think.
It's nice to see all the comments praising and complimenting the daughter. Thank goodness she turned out to be so stable and well spoken. Amazing how resilient some people can be.
Some people don't become good because of their parents, some people become good despite their parents.
I doubt she's "stable", most likely has mental problems and is good at keeping them in check when she's not at home
The daughter is as cold as her mother, smiling all the time talking about the man who helped her mother to raise her.
Amazing how only because they lost their child she’s the bad one, yet they had nothing to say about his abusive behavior. It’s horrible that some died, it’s worse when you even in death enable and ok with him beating on a woman. Her having a “mouth” or “attitude” isn’t an excuse to be hit, His parents want to lay blame however they didn’t live there, but Angelina did. I believe her.
I believe her too. The prosecutor and his family are complete sh*t.
The families always know how horrible this person is. They’re always glad that they don’t have to deal with them anymore.
It's hard for those who haven't gone through it to understand. I always feel weird about it because I'm glad they haven't gone through it, nobody deserves to feel like they're nothing, being beat and abused, trying to survive, maybe even feeling crazy (like they say you are) and trying to reclaim some power... I wish nobody died. But, they only know the TV cases. A helpless woman that just says yessir and then starts seeing her kid get abused before she leaves. But that's not the way it goes a lot of the time. He may have expected something was off if she started acting "defenseless", as that's not her personality. You have to sometimes pretend to the point that you do eventually lose yourself and potentially your life. She didnt. And I'm proud of her for that. I think her daughter's intelligence and love speaks volumes.
I believe her myself too. She was still his VICTIM despite how badly the prosecutors painted her.
I Believe without doubt she was the abuser and she probably killed he and there was no fight or anything. She is a liar and psychopath
The daughter is an amazing little lady! She will be a great forensic psychologist, she's been through so much and yet so strong.
It's sad that the child has to be "strong".
Going through trauma doesn't mean you should or could be successful having a career in the thing that traumatized you. Smh.
@@millennialodyssey5956 Doesn't mean the victim can't be great at their dream job either.
@@millennialodyssey5956I hear you. I have ptsd from trauma. Not this new age, “I have ptsd from stubbing my toe.” It controls my life. With that said, I want to help every single person who has been S.A. or survived DV whether they’re male or female. So many deny men can be the victim; I don’t. She would be awesome at it if she so chooses to take that career path.
@@vwchick24stay strong, I love the fact that you want to help people.
I can see where she's coming from. It is hard to get out of an abusive relationship. I've been in two of them, and my first one my ex-husband was so abusive that he gave me a brain injury and now I have uncontrollable seizures and can't drive anymore. My second abusive relationship my ex-boyfriend would put a loaded gun to my head every time I would threaten to leave him, and one time he even pulled the trigger and luckily the gun jammed. With him I only was able to get out of the relationship because he got arrested on another unrelated felony, and while he was in jail I wrote him a letter telling him we were through and I got a restraining order against him so when he got out that he couldn't come near me or my son. I'm so glad I haven't seen him again. So I can relate to how she feels. It's hard.
In all that fear of abuse he had towards you, would you then send him obscene photos with another man? or would you purposely anger him with stupid comments and get engaged to another man whilst still with him and flaunt it ? I agree that they where both at fault, but I really don't see her as a victim of DV. To me she is narcissistic and he suffered with narcissistic abuse which resulted in him breaking and becoming violent. She then being a Narcissist played victim.
You know how to pick up
@@blackroses9037That's not true and you know it
There are photos of her with a black eye
His family is delusional if they think he wasn't equally toxic and abusive.
He wasn't an angel and he was an EQUAL contributor to that toxic relationship.
it sadness and unfortunate..but he take her up how her lifestyle..and want change and did stop dancing but he just nt trust her ..and that the abusive relationship continues...he nt man up to walk away...men out there please stop wanting to control females..them nt your child or children
I think the two jurors who said they were equally aggressive and abusive to each other are right. It was a toxic relationship.
Couldn't agree more
Yes toxic, no angel and an abusive, but didn't deserve to die like this.
Stephanie should've never went back to him (I believe because she was afraid to be alone emotionally) and Andrew should've never welcomed her back.
Be well and be at peace.
No, clearly he was the abuser if you know the dynamics of abuse. He was intent on controlling her from the beginning. That does not mean "it takes two to tango", especially if the woman doesn't have a shrinking violet, submissive personality.
I grew up watching my mother get beat...the guy put her down all the time. It is very hard to walk away...I seen her with a gun up to her head. Thank God it wasn't loaded. I didn't know that...we would call the cops nothing ever happened. He was horrible to myself and my brothers...till this day it still messes with me. She finally left and went straight into another bad relationship. I broke the cycle...my kids come first always.
>>> She finally left and went straight into another bad relationship
How awful. :(
Good for you! Same with me. My kids come first.
However, it was my dad and my mom was in an impossible situation honestly. My mom is an amazing woman. Tougher than I could ever be!
She did finally get away and it isn’t with someone I’d prefer for her because I don’t think he truly loves her the way she deserves. Nonetheless, he doesn’t abuse her! I can’t imagine if she had gone into another relationship like that. That must’ve been terrible for you and for her too of course.
If the daughter witnessed the abuse, why did she not testify? This whole episode is entitled "What Angelina Saw" and I have no idea what she saw after watching this.
She did not testify because she would have had to do a lot of lying for her mother.
@@margochanning6868 This was my thought as well 🤔
imagine
She witnessed the abusive relationship over & over & over again. Her testimony was crucial but too much of a risk for the defense.
I literally just cracked up....and I also had that same thought!!!!! Maybe she was too young to testify??? She knows her Mother was the aggressor probably 90% of the time. She had hardly no bruises on her that night?? Anyway thank you Jesus Yeshua the Christ that the little girl was unharmed physically and hopefully won't have her Mother's traits at all
To the daughter. If you ever read this. Keep going. Keep studying. And you will be with your mom again soon one day. ❤️
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Two adults who acted like toddlers, and a daughter who has more brains than the two of them put together. Super sad.
Exactly! They were both victims of their own toxicity.
Exactly!
Facts!!
You said it right there...
Toddlers act better than this! Please don't compare their toxic, abusive minds to babies!
She said he pulled a gun on her but no one mentions if a gun was found on the scene or not. Would've been a nice piece of information to have.
Despite all the odds, Angelina has come through these traumatic and toxic experiences extremely well. She obviously loves her mother...l wish her every success.
You can love your mum but you can’t lie
@@nomada6789she’s not lying 🤣
Yes...she deserved one of this...hope she gets some help on the trauma she was put through.
@@nomada6789your mum is your mum, and there's no lying to her. 🚫🧠💪
@@nomada6789 She is a lier big time and as cold as her mom. Growing up in that toxic environment, it is extremely hard not to be like her mom.
The daughter is amazing. She will do great in the future to help other's who have been in the same situation.
Regardless whether she did it on purpose or she did it in self defence, folk tend to forget how domestic violence can force a man/woman to live on edge constantly, the fear they live through, their life constantly being in danger. Try and escape when you can, no relationship is ever worth this sort of toxic “love”. If you have children these events stays with them forever, find a way to escape with your kids. Domestic violence puts the victim in constant fear, you’re on edge all the time, your life feels in danger, and honestly whether it was on purpose or not with stabbing his neck I don’t see this relationship ending any other way because of how violent it was, the only way it was ending was one of them dying.
My parents were violent towards each other, he once dragged her up the stairs, tried to throw large objects at her, tried pushing her down the stairs as I was running in front of her, I remember hiding under the stairs with my dogs and an axe in case I needed to protect myself. That sort of violence stays with you forever, so if you’re staying together “for the kids”? Just leave, because it messes up the kids, we remember the violent incidents as clear as day. I’d rather be poor AF and safe than having a roof over my head and parents that violently beat each other.
This sort of violence stays with the kids, my brother turned out to be violent when growing up, my mother encouraged his violence towards me so I ended up in hospital with strangulation marks around my neck and head concussions, the violence we witnessed as kids was so normalised that me being treated that way was “normal” where I escaped just before 19 with a young persons charity. Sometimes the violence witnessed as kids ends up repeating itself in an abusive cycle where the kids adopt the same behaviours.
I get the message but you said the same thing over and over and over until you had 3 paragraphs
The sad and horrifying thing is that leaving significantly increases the danger of lethal violence both to the victims and the victim's family members. Not just in that moment, but for a long time afterwards. It's like living between a rock and a hard place...
I grew up around strong women, a real man would never need to hit a woman. Only cowards do that.
@@Kari.F. it really is, and sadly the police don’t do a great deal to help either, I’ve friends who left abusive relationships and had exes stalk them, one was at a woman’s shelter and had her crazed ex appear screaming at the shelter and it took the cops a long time to arrive, the whole attitude of “well all they’ve done is stalk you, threaten you and harass you, we can’t do anything until they hurt you”, by which point you could be dead. There needs to be better action taken, instead of dismissing the survivor and their safety. So yeah, rock and hard place.
I did
I can relate to the knife confrontation because it happened to me, and my ex got injured in the process thank God he didn’t die but nobody believed me when I explained how bad he provoked me and it got so bad that I picked up a knife. Picking up a knife was just to scare him away and get him to leave me alone but at the police station it was misinterpreted as a motive to harm and nobody spoke about how bad the situation was that got us there in the first place. My advise to people going through any form of domestic violence is to get up and leave no matter how hard it gets! Because if you don’t nobody will believe how much you’ve suffered and you will just be sent to jail for nothing! I got Lucky but you might not!
I hope you know, it is believable ❤ it will be belived and understood and I hope no one ever keeps quiet out of fear again 😢❤
Facts
You don't pick up a knife. You pick up your tuff and leave!
@@BoringDad1272 Sometimes you can't leave. Seriously, it's hard to get people who have never experienced this kind of abuse to understand it.
Leaving isn't easy and also depending on how bad it is, they have to hide cause this abusive person stalks them. Your basically damned if you do or damned if u don't. I've seen it thank God they didn't die but the dudes in jail. On the news you hear , most times the ex kills the woman then themselves. It's sad but true. Leaving is easier said than done
It's a shame how the family of abusive individuals never see that their loved one was capable of violence. Two toxic lovers ended their relationship with violence. The families need to deal with the toxicity while their loved one is still living. He didn't have to die. He chose that life, though.
Exactly.
And I think they treat them like angels DESPITE behaving violently or abusive and that ultimately can turn them into murderers. Family think because their son didn't hit them he won't hit another woman. He wasn't a helpless baby, he was a strong man and a correctional officer. He could've hurt anyone he wanted behind closed doors.
Yes my ex family is the same. They never will admit what a family member is capable of, the victim is always the evil one of course
Not to mention, most abusers are described as loving and sweet by everyone *except* their victims bc that's how they act outside of those closed doors.
@@TawnyFritz Oh yeah, the same with serial killers and child molesters
The daughter seems the most balanced and articulate of all parties involved. I think she’s correct about Andy’s family inability to see his part in this situation. Parents and siblings rarely know as much as they believe they do.
What she has seen her mother did, cheating, abusing, and killing will shape her partially who she is.
Angelina summed it up perfectly at the end. They both needed help.
Y’all really brought that girl back to the scene of the crime and asked her to retell what she saw when she was a child?! How traumatic for no reason-I didn’t need to see her tell the story at the scene to understand what happened. How macabre…as if she hasn’t been through enough. This is why people have a problem with the true crime genre.
Dramatic effect and dredging up trauma gets more views than compassionate reporting
She is 20 studying to be a forensic psychologist..did you ever think she may have wanted to do this for her own healing, experience and knowledge, for working with children in her future career? healing comes in many different forms for many different people
That why i hate docs with annoying reporters trying to act smart but asking stupid questions
@Zetsu cbs in general is great about asking imprisoned people if they really killed the victim. Groundbreaking journalism, for sure.
So true. She was masking so well during this interview. For even a girl of 20, it’s nearly impossible to understand how to act when on television being asked about a family member’s brutal encounter. I’ve worked in healthcare. I’ve seen my own patients die. It’s traumatic. In the moments recounting what happened, you feel so detached from reality. Trying verbalize what happened, how you feel, etc is surreal. This young lady had to be conflicted with the thrill of being on tv (and riding in a car with a “celebrity,”) but torn up talking about the event. The people discussing what they think about this young lady - that she’s hiding something or that it’s weird that she smiled. It isn’t weird. It’s self-preservation.
Spoiler alert: Angelina didn't see much of anything
Exactly!! 😹😹😹 bugged me that they titled the episode that.
Exactly!!!
This comment was really hilarious for some reason.
😂She saw nothing actuslly
Yeah it’s more like “What Angelina sort of heard and kind of saw”
Angelina is a lovely girl, she seems to have kept such a childlike innocence, I hope she has a wonderful future life xx
They definitely brought out the worst in each other. Love to the daughter.
I was in an abusive relationship for 5 years. Even though I was scared of him and I was walking on egg shells around him all the time I still would call him stupid. I'd yell at him etc. Just because I would snap and fight back sometimes doesn't mean I wasn't scared...that's a dumb defense for the prosecutor to try and make. There was literally proof that he was abusive so all the way feel bad for his family They might have to accept the fact that their son was also an abusive person
Absolutely
Could not agree more. There is actually a book I found called Walking On Eggshells. I was in a relationship with a guy who was controlling and jealous beyond belief. You do walk on eggshells just to try and not start some confrontation with him. It’s impossible. Literally impossible. I stayed in it 8 months. I would fight back because he’s positions in a fight were ridiculous but you start to think did I really do that to make him feel that way. They are mentally breaking you down. I found that book in a secret trip to the library. Yes, secret. That’s what they do to you. I checked it out. Hid in under my side of the mattress and read it in 2 days. Then I had the police stand by for me when I showed with a moving truck. He tried to threaten me but I served him for a restraining order and he went away. We had no kids so there was nothing to fight over. Thank god.
He would have been an absolute liability as a cop!!!
Reactive abuse is a goal that these abusive people have to use against us!
@@bethanywhite877 So glad you got out safely.
Not a plan,but an impulsive rage of temper, mix with violence. All I see in her is her acting drama.
Such a sweet and well-spoken girl, it’s a shame she had such a traumatic upbringing
Ebony. So very true.
The mother hardly mentioned her own daughter. Women who put boyfriends before their children is just sad
Yes they are, I had a sister who did this and I was furious and there was nothing that I could do to change her mind. And her oldest daughter has a thing for the last 20 plus years and it's the same thing, but she's trying to break the habit but she's too far gone. She rather listen to the drug addict than her own aunt me, who literally raised her and her siblings, but if that's the case in which it is I'm gone anyway because I'm tired of the toxicity of it all.
sad, but it happens too often
Co dependent violent relationships in the end hurt everyone.
Yet the silly child still stands up for her mother....deluded child 😢😢
And that's why I do not believe that this woman was in a domestic violence situation. There was domestic violence but she was the violent one. Her daughter is covering for her.
As someone who was raised in endless DV ~ I can say that much of this is accurate. Many victims can get used to the DV and even use it against their partner or taunt them into a violent act. This doesn’t make them any less of a victim. Victims in these situations do what they have to do to survive. They acclimate. Or they are just messed up themselves. Again, they are still victims. And the family seeing him as an innocent angel, incapable of the violent acts proven to have occurred, is also quite normal. They will die on that hill. Just how it is. Had she been the one to have died, they still would have blamed her.
Mutual victims and neither took responsibility
I truly believe she’s guilty of not reporting to police - even making a paper trail
But muder or manslaughter- no
Don't get with a man who whoops you, beats you, and breaks your bones. Unless you like that, then in that case congratulations on your misery.
@@Emerson-jq8ejif only it were that simple, Emerson. do you truly believe that hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of people all over the world actively seek a partner who abuses them? surely you can’t be that dense. the cycle of abuse is a complicated thing.
@@delaneyrae7you are so right. Not to mention how abusers wait until you're good and trapped to ramp up their abuse. A parent of an abusive man will pretty much blame the woman for antagonizing him. You're right. So right.
The only person I have sympathy for is the daughter. She had a sick relationship with a man, brought that violence into her own home and let her child marinate in their toxicity for years. What is not being said in this situation is what is the loudest to me.
100%
I’m not believing her but i dunno
THANK YOU. Exactly this. She brought violence into her child's life and is now playing victim.
Lol she seems to be doing fine, a future forensic scientist
We all have obstacles we have to overcome
@@bles05 “I’m in college” says every stripper, everywhere
They were both toxic people and were both abusive towards eachother. With that being i believe the prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she murdered him.
„Your brain is like scrambled eggs“ is the most accurate description of DV situations, I have ever heard!
Please, leave! They won’t change! Trust me❤
That also resonated with me. It’s such an accurate description
@@lostandfound5145 Please leave and for God's sake do NOT run straight into another mans arms. You see this so often-as was the case here. That poor man does NOT deserve you bringing your toxicity, abuse and instability into their lives.
Women (particularly) seem to feel so entitled to do this rather than admitting they're horrible, toxic, irresponsible people too. They need to go away and work on themselves ON THEIR OWN to resolve their issues.
If they don't, you have very compelling evidence the woman is comfortable as an abuser herself.
In this case, the woman gets satisfaction by abusing him verbally. The man is more a victim, lost life.
@@wittie28 it depends which Partner is the abusive one in the first place. Men are more offen victimized than they like to admit
What brain?!
I don’t understand.. she got out.. she got away.. she got engaged to another guy. He broke it off because apparently she was abusive to him. So she was single again.. free of any men. But chose to go back to Andy.. I don’t get that.
Right it makes no sense
Until you have been in an abusive relationship, you won't understand....it's a horrible situation to live....
@@angelapursley2811 It was a silly decision. Feels like a lot of people don't want their silly decisions to be called silly. Abuse is wrong, but that doesn't mean bad decisions aren't bad decisions and people aren't in some way responsible for situations they place themselves in. Watched a lot of these videos where parents agonize over the fact that their child won't leave a toxic situation despite having them to fall back on. Some of these abuse victims literally want to be with their abuser as mind-boggling as that is.
shes evil. theres no comprehending evil. its just unfortunate they exist.
@@doodlebob2023yeah something about her aint right
She was most likely getting abused.....but she was also abusing him.It was a toxic relationship that was never gonna end well no matter what.Nothing that starts in a strip club is ever gonna be a fairy tale sorry guys...
It is funny, because 48 hours and dateline is full of episodes about people that try it to live a life, but they are very problematic. Toxic, insecure, this never ends well, ever.
Exactly well said!
Reactive abuse isn't like predatory abuse. If you are abused long enough dependent upon your personality at some point you're going to have enough and you're going to react to that and fight fire with fire.
Mean texts and ugly texts are no comparison to fists and guns
When I worked in the ER (nightshift in Tampa) I was really surprised by how many people came in from nightclubs and bars. Everyone tries to act like you go to those places to have fun, but there's a lot of violence and crime there.
Unless someone has been in a domestic violence situation, you truly can't relate. I believe the daughter hit the nail on the head stating that he became a completely different person, like he was possessed. He was baby girl. You know it when you see it and its terrifying.
If he was so possessed, how come she's alive and he's dead. AND I know all about domestic violence and child abuse. I've experienced both.
@@margochanning6868 Are you saying that people who are abusive and fly into fights of violent rage can't be killed? This comment makes no sense.
@@margochanning6868
She was fighting for her life!
He lost!!
Yes! Between the daughter and the friend, they describe very clearly what it's like to be in dv.
@@soulfireonfire6423 Fighting for her life yet there wasn't a scratch on her? How did that happen?
I was a woman in a very abusive relationship and I was terrified of him. I have to admit I did think at one point of defending myself at any cost. I was told so many times by the officers who say my battered face and the bruises from head to toe to leave him. I could not and I thought I could not survive on my own. This was even though I was the one paying all the bills so he could put everything I made up his nose. I never did drugs and he made sure of this. I still stayed because I did love him and was also scared to death of him. I was blessed to get out alive but just barely. I understand this woman and I get why she would actually put the knife in his neck even if intentional. I was never brave enough to protect myself. My family made sure I never saw him again even though he came all the way across the country to get to me. I am alive today and I am grateful for my life. His family knew he did these things to me and never helped me one time. It was always my fault. I feel for her and I know his family will never tell the truth anyways. I do feel for his family but they will never admit it.
My ex abused me when I was just 16 years old, he was 18. All because I asked him to stop cursing around my niece and nephew I was babysitting. He attacked me with a fly swatter. I yelled for my friend to run to my mother's house with them and call 911.
He threw me on the floor choking me and said "Well since the cops are coming, I'll give them a reason to come". I started trying to say things like "baby, she's (my friend who witnessed him attack me) not really calling the police" "I'll tell them I lied, I love you" etc etc to get him off of me.
I ran to the bathroom and locked the door. They broke the front door down when he wouldn't let them in. He was arrested once they got me to open the door and saw my injuries.
His mother bailed him out not even a few hours later.... His family was as psycho as he was
BUT, he was banned from the apartment we shared and was charged with assault and battery, lost the right to have any weapons etc. So it was a win for me 🎉
The Lord has bigger plans for you👍
Wow, I am very sorry 😔💔
What a terrifying experience. Sending love and prayers. You are so Brave. You got out Alive.
I cannot believe the people we love the most hurt us the most. Peace ✌️
@@laurieb3703 Get Revenge.
Live a Fabulous Life filled with love.
Don't ever let Anyone intimidate you. You are a warrior. Peace and Healing
Well said. I've seen too many cases where a victim of domestic abuse gets a restraining order but ends up dead anyway because the abuser does not respect the law or care about the consequences. This man deserved what he got. It's the only way out for many women. Either he dies or they do. Better that it's him.
I love how her friend described what it's like being in an abusive relationship.
Heart wrenching 💔I pray her daughter lives a fulfilling and successful life. 😢❤️✨
I pray her daughter has true peace, true love and knows what a healthy relationship looks like.
Be well and be at peace.
Its crazy how hard the prosecution was trying to disregard the abuse she went through and paint her as a liar. Everything about this is shady asf. Then they try to say she planned it all when she had fresh bruises on her body
It’s like amber heard all over. Even with her testimony of sexual abuse. This lady was being raped and they did not even mentioned it
@@paolavesgasalcedo3278 Do you honestly compare a real DV victim to Amber Heard, who painted a bruise on her face and never had a single scratch on her?!! You obviously didn’t read the court files otherwise you would be ashamed of her actions, on behalf of REAL victims!
There was zero pictures of fresh bruises. But that's jumping the gun (lol, more in that later), but what a perfect crime to make bruises if you need a cover after gouging someone,who is in one made up lie holding a gun and punching and headbutting....oh, her struggle is real! 😂
@@KE-yj4ip it literally showed pictures of her fresh bruises at the interrogation. Go back & look at her arm. 🙄
AH in no way resembles this true victim of DV. AH is a lying narcissist, an emotional and physical abuser; no victim.
That daughter is an AMAZING YOUNG WOMAN!! shows courage, dignity and she is getting a degree to " show her mom" when she gets out of prison. I mean she could Be a bitter self pitying depressed person but I'm just amazed at how she is handling everything
Maybe because their were violent towards each other, so she can't just blame the man.
His family not willing to accept the possibility that their own son/brother is probably just as guilty and may have contributed to his own death gives me THE biggest eye roll…😒🙄🙄🙄🙄
The daughter is wiser than all these adults!
Ladies… this story should be the example of why you should NEVER quit your job for a man. It’s a control tactic
omg......yes, you NEVER wanna quit being a stripper?? They have a wonderful benefits package and retirement program.
@@markfrost2707😂😂
So his parents, who raised an aggressive possessive bully, wanted her to be put behind bars?? The mind boggles
Dont simp for her she was an abuser too
As someone who has been in a DV relationship (marriage actually) it’s VERY hard, and very toxic. Of course the family will never think the abuser is in the wrong - at least in my case, they make the other person (most times the woman) the bad one, while they look perfect.
It seems to me, they were toxic to each other. Unfortunately it ended this way, so many dv cases end in death. It’s hard to leave.
Almost 3 years later, I’m just now coming out of survival mode. I’m just now not scared every moment, of everyday. I have PTSD & I forget A LOT! Trauma causes people to forget, whether she did it or not.
I’m a survivor of DV as well, also married (still waiting on divorce), and you’re so right. It’s only been a couple of months for me, I had to have the cops remove him. I’m still not doing good, it’s hard to cope after him nearly killing me and abusing me for as long as he did. I’m glad you got away and I wish you well ❤
@@Tipsysailorxx Get a restraining order…it’s easy all I had to do was show up and I got the 5 yr. ONE ☝🏽. Get mace and a stun gun.
@@Tipsysailorxx I wish you well. Hang in there. It will never go away, but does get better with time. Just don't go back and focus your love on YOU.
Exactly....out in public everyone thinks they are amazing! Kind, considerate and loving. No one realizes what goes on behind closed doors! Glad you survived and escaped.
Narcissist + Narcissist = Disaster
Dispite the mothers' lifestyle it seems she raised a very good daughter.
As a woman who has been in 2 IPV relationships, you can have reactive violence, in which the victim lashes out at their abuser, most commonly done intentionally by the abuser so they can say, "you're so abusive, look how crazy you're acting." I didn't hear any mention of this at all in this case.
I’m still in a mentally and verbally abusive relationship. After enduring hours, yes hours, of being yelled at, named called, put down the minute I raised my voice even to yell “leave me alone” I’m the bad guy, the crazy one. My vehicle the one Ive paid every note on is in his name, he’s said if I leave in it, he’s calling the police on me. I have no family and don’t earn enough to support myself. I have no way out
@@dawnribbeck4526I'm sorry!! Contact a woman's shelter, stack money somehow to get away, get receipts where you paid for vehicle...somehow find a way to escape! Wish you the best!!
@@dawnribbeck4526 Sorry to hear that but you only need your self-worth to get away from any abusive relationship and nothing else. you don't need vehicle or anything like that. get out before it can turn into worst and call women shelter. you can do a lot of things to earn money and get your own apartment. a lot of people are brainwashed to be useless or worthless that's why they think they don't have a way out and they really think they need to depend on someone to live their life.
@dawnribbeck4526 Do you have a friend of family member that you could come get you? Or a way to get to a woman's shelter?
@@persona5305Unfortunately when women try to leave is when they get murdered.
the poor daughter. How sad for her. It is incredibly sweet of her to want to make her mom proud of her while her mom is away.
You can tell she really wants a relationship with her mom. My concern is the way she mentions multiple times how her successes and accomplishments will make her mom happy as if just spending time with her and having experiences together wouldn't be enough.
I’m so SICK of people asking us abused women: “why didn’t you leave/call the cops?”
I just started replying: “Oh, because I enjoyed being locked in a cage. You should try it!”
😒🙄😠
2 abusive people who can't control their temper and enter a relationship and only one of them survives. When her "nice guy" ex said she tried to stab him multiple times, it's hard to see her as a total innocent.
I agree that she wasn't "innocent", but a lot of people think that she can't be a victim unless she is an innocent victim and that's just not true!
@@stephaniedison4878 she isn’t victim when she clearly lies and she isn’t victim when she provekes her boyfriend by sending him sexual encounters she made with her ex boyfriend. Is this how victim act ?
@@Aboma2012 Provoking someone with a text is not justification for them to retaliate with violence... Which he did. As evidenced by the bruises on her body and the text messages he sent threatening her life.
The ex could be lying, though... There's no physical evidence to corroborate either of his stories.
No in fact she is totally guilty!
Being a domestic violence survivor myself..I feel she did what she had to do to stop him. Some women don’t have the gull to do what she did. 😳 I hope she’s doing better today.
Agreed
U crazy!! She blatantly killed that man
I agree with you. I’m a survivor of domestic violence myself, as well. When you’ve lived with DV, you understand this a lot more. I’m glad you’re ok, as well!💓
@@ivanrussell3083 I suppose she should've just kept on being a punching bag?
@@ivanrussell3083
Really how so?
They were just eating dinner , she got up and said hey I think I will stab you?
What a well-rounded, well spoken, beautiful young woman.
Great coverage, the daughter is so well spoken and the best friend is a Friend we all need ❤️❤️ the mama- I hope you find peace forgiveness and self worth. You’re beautiful.
She comes across as addicted to getting attention from men. Her profession, the fact that she describes the men in terms of how they treated her, intentionally riling up the aggressive man, and ignoring the fact that her lifestyle is damaging to her daughter. But then again, he stuck with her rather than moving on, which is equally wrong. They were both disturbed individuals for keeping the relationship going. The true victim is the daughter who cannot emotionally detach herself from her mother.
Very well said, and you are right!!
She is crazy behind closed doors. Girls like that will keep pushing buttons until the guy blows up. Stupid guys will fall for it.
Perfectly put 👏 👌
I’m glad that 48hrs made this about the poor kid involved. No one else seemed to.
The REAL innocent victim of all this.
She appears remarkably stable considering the trauma and chaos she's been subjected to.
As a woman who was in a seriously DV “relationship” that only got worse when I tried ending it….you can be choked up to the point of losing consciousness even & NOT show any signs around your neck, even a short time later.
Yeah it's ridiculous, I had a partner try to gauge my eyeballs out, choke me. No marks or anything. The cops say you basically have to be dead or seriously injured to get any consequential value to the offending party. So yeah, idk. It's so annoying these kind of parents raise boys and support their idea that a certain kind of woman "deserves" abuse. The parents and sister ooze that.
Rip Ray Liotta
Y’all ladies take self accountability, no wonder accountability is a woman's kryptonite!!!
Lies. I once punched myself lightly for fun while intoxicated and couldn't leave the house for 3 days due to swelling in my lip and jaw.
Exactly. And stockholm syndrome makes you protect your abuser, they never mentioned that.
In my opinion, she did what she had to in order to protect herself and her child upstairs. Ladies, let this be a lesson to hold off on dating until your kids are older.
p-lease!!!!
So Fernandes wasn't afraid of becoming engaged to another man at the same time she was engaged to the man she most feared. The "other man" finds out, dumps her, and what does she do? Goes straight back to the "brutish" Wagner, "out of fear". All totally believable. I wonder what happened to the $44,000 engagement ring.
She sold it to pay for a lawyer. 🤣🤣🤣
He knew about him!
That other man is totally believable about being attacked by her.
Thank you! I don’t believe a word she says!
She had no money no job and a child to support in a country with no safety nets for people like her thanks to Ronnie Reagan... As far as the ring is concerned... if the man who gives it rescinds his offer, she's entitled to it. If she changes her mind, she's obligated to give it back. That's how contracts work.
I was married to a man that sounds exactly like Andrew. NO ONE, NO ONE knew what he was like behind closed doors at our home. Thank goodness I finally got enough courage to leave. I do believe have I not left when I did this could very well have been us. Either him or myself would not be here today. He is now on his 4th wife.
Same here-- Thank God for our safety
Women adore him. That's cool.
4th wife? what a stud. something is telling me the "you had courage to leave" is how ur coping with he found someone better.
Nobody tells a true story like 48 hours. It’s spine tingling good.
Especially, Mr. Peter Van Sant.
She is a good actress!!
You can feel her panic, fear and desperation for him to just be alive. This was ridiculous that she was charged for anything stronger than aggravated assault. His family is in such denial bless them.
Are you blind? that woman was acting the whole time. pure evil
correct nobody want to OWN monsters
You're kidding right??? That was acting and bad acting to top it off.
You’re kidding right her acting was horrible
You obviously have never been in a abusive situation it shows on your comment
Eyerolls for the dead man's family. It's funny that they believe he was such a great guy. I understand the grief of losing a family member, but you don't have to be so in denial about the person's character.
because its only Narcissists who raise one
It's so typical. There are a few things that I have more disrespect for than grown adults to can't face the truth. It's such a repulsive character flaw imo.
@@sfletch3042 very well said
The abusers families always think they are solid gold and there's a reason for that. The apple does not fall far from the rotten tree it grew on.
@@sfletch3042 ikr. some people say oh we should be empathetic because its their kid but idk i hope i wouldn't blindly support my child even when hes a domestic abuser.
I hate when families just totally disregard the fact that their loved one was an abuser. Just b/c they died doesn’t mean they’re an angel. Bad ppl die too. It’s like they just want “Justice” in any way they can get b/c they’re hurting. Which is understandable but still doesn’t change the fact that this person was a narcissist & super jealous & violent…
Yeah, i was like maybe you should have taught your son and brother not to abuse women!
@@tamitribbiani7907 exactlyyyyy!!
Unfortunately, 48hrs. only defends criminals! I felt so bad for this woman😢
@@tamitribbiani7907Maybe her parents should've taught her don't put her hands on men.
So she brought a knife to a gunfight against a man much bigger and stronger and emerged victorious with just a bruise. These jurors smh
no justice.
She's all about men. She didn't care about her daughter's safety and went back to her abuser. During the initial interrogation, she screams out her abuser is her everything. Doesn't even talk about missing her daughter, just concerned about herself. Lady bye
My face is f’d up as she’s goin on like that. Unreal
Exactly!! Her daughter was never her first priority…. (It was all about having a man!).
I absolutely believe her ex boyfriend Mike Leramie. Stephanie was lying when she said she never cut up his furniture when asked during the interview. She looked down and away when asked about it. I also believe Andrew and Stephanie were obviously BOTH abusive to each other.💯I feel bad for Andrew’s family, but they are in total denial..he was a VERY abusive man.
Body language is a loose guideline. Not everybody acts the same way and victims often have a hard time maintaining eye contact. Her attorneys would have coached her on demeanor and body language anyway.
That woman, with all of her flaws, raised a phenomenal, remarkable young lady/ woman!
So glad to see the daughter has turned out to be nothing like her mother.
Neither of them were innocent in this, it was a tragic outcome of a toxic relationship. Andrews family has to come to terms he was just as much as an abuser as Stephanie was. They were not good together. She had bruises on her. Stephanie had a foul mouth and vindictive behavior to hurt him. Her daughter is the one who suffered in this. Somehow this beautiful young lady is thriving in life to educate others and help others who go through these situations. That's what you call strong. Good Job Miss Lady.....
Along these lines, if the use of physical force against a woman is the worst version of a man, driving a man crazy is the worst version of a woman. Sometimes the two go together.
@@evenestevenhow did she drive him crazy?
The one of the best comment in here. He abused her because he was jealousy and she text him foul messages. Both were at fault. I grew up in an abused house. I know she was a victim but at the same time he was a victim to her as well. Both of them were not good for each other. She can tell her side but he is not hear to tell his said. It’s really sad because in cases like this, the ending is the same for both. He could have killed her, but I am sure no one would want to hear his side if it was the other way around.
So telling mean things is the same as beating and choking someone. Okay😅