Good question. I went and imported the oil filter adapter mesh into F360 to get some measurements. Overall height of the real part was 38.88mm, mesh 38.857. For the OD of the threaded port, real part is 28.22mm, mesh 28.248. See link to the photos. I think many conflate resolution with accuracy. These are not the same. Resolution is how close the meshed points are to each other. Accuracy is how precise the geometric relationship is to each of those points. a 1mm resolution does not mean 1mm error. imgur.com/a/JIxcui1
@CouchBuilt Very nice. Your videos are good content. I was thinking of buying VEGA but I am glad that I did not. Seeing your video It shows me that it is meant for more hobby users. I Bought Creality Raptor and I have been happy with it. But I do need to do larger scans. I was hoping that they will upgrade Einstar but sadly it was not the case. Anyhow your video made me to pull trigger on rebuying the Einstar again. Having Raptor + Einstar completes my toolbox in relation of scanners.
Me too, I would have got the loyalty discount + stuff and absolutely bought it if I knew what it would be like. It's definitely more suited to me than the original einstar
When auto aligning, the preview almost always looks like it won’t work. I’ve learned to do it anyway. Most of the time it works. If it doesn’t, then go back a step and do manual align. The only time the preview looks good is if you have already aligned those particular scans. This happens if I align a scan and it has artifacts or overlaps. I’ll delete that scan, redo it, then go back to align everything. Then all of the preview look good except for the new scan.
I think he summarized at the end that Vega and Einstar have different advantages for different applications. Vega is more convenient and faster for large scans, like an entire car, and more accurate for smooth, small item scanning, while Einstar is suitable for medium-sized objects, like car parts. This seems fair enough
I'd lean toward the Einstar in that case since that size is really in its sweet spot, however, I think you could see some better detail with the HD mode on the Vega. Where I had the most trouble in HD mode was things like my turbo where transitioning from the large OD of the compressor housing down to the smaller CHRA would fall out of the field of view. The Einstar could sweep around and keep more features in view due to the greater depth. Something like a headlight housing would likely have less dramatic geometry changes and could do better. You would however need a good number of scan markers across the lens area. It will be interesting to spend some more time with it.
Great video, this is exactly the review I have been waiting for. The VEGAs accuracy for scanning small objects is not quite as good as they advertised.
Did you find with the car scan it took 5+ min for the scan to pause, and then another couple hours for it to save before being able to mesh? That's been my experience trying to scan 1/4 of a car, wondering if it's normal.
I haven’t encountered anything like that with the Vega. That’s pretty standard for the classic Einstar. I’ve been trying to use the Vega whenever possible for how fast it is. It’s not great at everything, but I wouldn’t expect that behavior from a car scan.
Something with the choice of sensors used. I’m not really up to speed on that to comment definitively. I haven’t done bright sun, but outdoor scanning is one of their advertised selling points. It worked well enough here in an overcast environment.
If an infrared scanner is capable of functioning effectively outdoors, it often means some degree of precision is sacrificed in capturing finer details. I guess this is why the final scan of smaller parts looks less accurate.
So is the vega not good for say transmission adapter size parts? I was hoping to eek out the HD option to get even more accuracy on that or is the einstar still the best for that
The Einstar or Creality Otter are going to be 'better' for that application but they both still struggle with dimensional accuracy on holes. Really a laser scanner is needed for that application. This all being said there are tricks that can be used to make the IR scanners work better like installing a snug fitting bolt in all holes and using the shaft as the reference point for the hole center. This works because they handle outside features much better than holes or narrow pockets.
For just the adapter plate scale of things, I would likely say the Einstar. For transmissions in general, I would likely pick up my Einstar if I was going to be designing something like the adapter or a transmission pan. If I wanted to design a transmission crossmember and needed to get a full trans scan into a car quickly, then the Vega would be my choice. You could also scan half a dozen transmissions with the Vega really quickly at say a pick and pull junkyard if you were trying to develop options to choose from. Where HD mode is limited right now is the field of view and depth of field are really small, so anything that falls outside of that window becomes more difficult to keep tracking. I've been providing some feedback to Shining 3D on that front to see if that will be improved with software, or if its a hardware positioning limitation.
@@BBowerr I was also looking at the creality raptor as it has structured laser scanning, but any reviews I've seen on it were meh for our use cases. Anything would be more accurate than my current "cardboard aided design" method, so might as well just pick up an einstar while it's on sale I guess.
@@suprakillavr4 The raptor has a very entry level laser scanner which must have markers used and a lot of them but is Vader accurate and a pretty bad nir scanner. It’s nir performance is much worse than both the otter and Einstar. Personally I would get an Einstein if the scanning pc I was using had and Nvidia gpu. But since both my scanning pc’s use AMD gpu’s the Einstein won’t work so it’s closest competitor the Otter is another strong choice.
I have got a much better idea of how it handles larger objects. It is cool that it can scan a whole car, but the model still seems to need a lot of post-processing, which takes quite a bit of time to really make it usable.
Depends on your use case. Completing the model to use as a game asset or similar visual application, yes, there's a bunch of work. If you were going to design a widebody over fender kit, this would be good to go as-is. Thats closer to what I would use it for.
В случае shining 3D оптимальный вариант это HX, но Creality их обскакали с Raptor-ом... Лазер с ценником менее 100 тысяч. В общем - есть куда двигаться. Кстати, у Revopoint уже давно есть такая хрень, только не нужна никому из-за ценника. ИМХО!
Well for sure answered my question 😂 can I sell my einstar, Vega will be in my hands this coming Tuesday and looks like I’ll be keeping both 😂 however I will be able to get rid of the lizard and pop2, all though since they are near worthless there is no real value in them.
is really not great at scanning any black surfaces of any sort, been testing out the Vega all afternoon. Otter is far superior here and 3 levels of scanning depths with more control. Shame as I was hoping it would be a replacement to my Otter.
Hi, interesting that you have a Einstar Vega and a Creality Otter. I need a scanner to scan a full size surfboard, do you think that the Otter would be able to do it? Top and bottom scans then merging both. Does the Otter take the same amount of processing time compared to the Vega?
Nice Video.
How big is the difference in dimensions between the real and the scanned part?
I have the same question. From my perspective, the precision when scanning smaller parts doesn’t seem quite up to the mark either.
Good question. I went and imported the oil filter adapter mesh into F360 to get some measurements. Overall height of the real part was 38.88mm, mesh 38.857. For the OD of the threaded port, real part is 28.22mm, mesh 28.248. See link to the photos. I think many conflate resolution with accuracy. These are not the same. Resolution is how close the meshed points are to each other. Accuracy is how precise the geometric relationship is to each of those points. a 1mm resolution does not mean 1mm error. imgur.com/a/JIxcui1
@@CouchBuilt sounds quite good. My Einstar SE V1 have around the same difference.
I preordered the Vega and now my currently favourite channel does a review .... Awesome
This couldn't have come at a better time. Yesterday my boss asked me to look into 3D scanners for the shop and the Vega is at the top of my list.
So, Einstar is still your top choice. Looking forward to seeing a comparison review with otter!
@CouchBuilt Very nice. Your videos are good content. I was thinking of buying VEGA but I am glad that I did not. Seeing your video It shows me that it is meant for more hobby users. I Bought Creality Raptor and I have been happy with it. But I do need to do larger scans. I was hoping that they will upgrade Einstar but sadly it was not the case.
Anyhow your video made me to pull trigger on rebuying the Einstar again. Having Raptor + Einstar completes my toolbox in relation of scanners.
I wish they would of given these Vega scanners out for review first before going up for sale.
Me too, I would have got the loyalty discount + stuff and absolutely bought it if I knew what it would be like. It's definitely more suited to me than the original einstar
It is pretty much a more portable version of the classic Einstar, but you will still need a spray for shiny or metallic surfaces.
Я подцепил к своему Einstar повербанк, не без приключений, конечно, но, работает.
When auto aligning, the preview almost always looks like it won’t work. I’ve learned to do it anyway. Most of the time it works. If it doesn’t, then go back a step and do manual align.
The only time the preview looks good is if you have already aligned those particular scans. This happens if I align a scan and it has artifacts or overlaps. I’ll delete that scan, redo it, then go back to align everything. Then all of the preview look good except for the new scan.
Thanks. I’ll give that a try. I always just backed out of it after seeing the misaligned preview.
Headlights, so probably the einstar would be your recommendation?
I think he summarized at the end that Vega and Einstar have different advantages for different applications. Vega is more convenient and faster for large scans, like an entire car, and more accurate for smooth, small item scanning, while Einstar is suitable for medium-sized objects, like car parts. This seems fair enough
I'd lean toward the Einstar in that case since that size is really in its sweet spot, however, I think you could see some better detail with the HD mode on the Vega. Where I had the most trouble in HD mode was things like my turbo where transitioning from the large OD of the compressor housing down to the smaller CHRA would fall out of the field of view. The Einstar could sweep around and keep more features in view due to the greater depth. Something like a headlight housing would likely have less dramatic geometry changes and could do better. You would however need a good number of scan markers across the lens area. It will be interesting to spend some more time with it.
Great video, this is exactly the review I have been waiting for. The VEGAs accuracy for scanning small objects is not quite as good as they advertised.
See my pinned comment. I added some measurements.
Did you find with the car scan it took 5+ min for the scan to pause, and then another couple hours for it to save before being able to mesh? That's been my experience trying to scan 1/4 of a car, wondering if it's normal.
I haven’t encountered anything like that with the Vega. That’s pretty standard for the classic Einstar. I’ve been trying to use the Vega whenever possible for how fast it is. It’s not great at everything, but I wouldn’t expect that behavior from a car scan.
@@CouchBuiltthanks, I'll check with tech support.
Not being able to use markers in fast mode is killing me. Scanning flatter areas is rough without them.
I would assume it’ll come with a software update. I don’t do too much flat stuff and avoid makers altogether, so it has t been noticeable for me….yet.
how come it can scan outside??? If thats true then this might be the one to get
Something with the choice of sensors used. I’m not really up to speed on that to comment definitively. I haven’t done bright sun, but outdoor scanning is one of their advertised selling points. It worked well enough here in an overcast environment.
If an infrared scanner is capable of functioning effectively outdoors, it often means some degree of precision is sacrificed in capturing finer details. I guess this is why the final scan of smaller parts looks less accurate.
So is the vega not good for say transmission adapter size parts? I was hoping to eek out the HD option to get even more accuracy on that or is the einstar still the best for that
The Einstar or Creality Otter are going to be 'better' for that application but they both still struggle with dimensional accuracy on holes.
Really a laser scanner is needed for that application.
This all being said there are tricks that can be used to make the IR scanners work better like installing a snug fitting bolt in all holes and using the shaft as the reference point for the hole center. This works because they handle outside features much better than holes or narrow pockets.
For just the adapter plate scale of things, I would likely say the Einstar. For transmissions in general, I would likely pick up my Einstar if I was going to be designing something like the adapter or a transmission pan. If I wanted to design a transmission crossmember and needed to get a full trans scan into a car quickly, then the Vega would be my choice. You could also scan half a dozen transmissions with the Vega really quickly at say a pick and pull junkyard if you were trying to develop options to choose from. Where HD mode is limited right now is the field of view and depth of field are really small, so anything that falls outside of that window becomes more difficult to keep tracking. I've been providing some feedback to Shining 3D on that front to see if that will be improved with software, or if its a hardware positioning limitation.
@@BBowerr I was also looking at the creality raptor as it has structured laser scanning, but any reviews I've seen on it were meh for our use cases. Anything would be more accurate than my current "cardboard aided design" method, so might as well just pick up an einstar while it's on sale I guess.
@@suprakillavr4 The raptor has a very entry level laser scanner which must have markers used and a lot of them but is Vader accurate and a pretty bad nir scanner.
It’s nir performance is much worse than both the otter and Einstar.
Personally I would get an Einstein if the scanning pc I was using had and Nvidia gpu. But since both my scanning pc’s use AMD gpu’s the Einstein won’t work so it’s closest competitor the Otter is another strong choice.
Great tip re bolts.
I have got a much better idea of how it handles larger objects. It is cool that it can scan a whole car, but the model still seems to need a lot of post-processing, which takes quite a bit of time to really make it usable.
Depends on your use case. Completing the model to use as a game asset or similar visual application, yes, there's a bunch of work. If you were going to design a widebody over fender kit, this would be good to go as-is. Thats closer to what I would use it for.
В случае shining 3D оптимальный вариант это HX, но Creality их обскакали с Raptor-ом... Лазер с ценником менее 100 тысяч. В общем - есть куда двигаться. Кстати, у Revopoint уже давно есть такая хрень, только не нужна никому из-за ценника. ИМХО!
Well for sure answered my question 😂 can I sell my einstar, Vega will be in my hands this coming Tuesday and looks like I’ll be keeping both 😂 however I will be able to get rid of the lizard and pop2, all though since they are near worthless there is no real value in them.
Man, this thing looks like a carbon copy of the revopoint scanner Miracle.
Looks like they copied it and made it good.
is really not great at scanning any black surfaces of any sort, been testing out the Vega all afternoon. Otter is far superior here and 3 levels of scanning depths with more control. Shame as I was hoping it would be a replacement to my Otter.
Hi, interesting that you have a Einstar Vega and a Creality Otter. I need a scanner to scan a full size surfboard, do you think that the Otter would be able to do it? Top and bottom scans then merging both. Does the Otter take the same amount of processing time compared to the Vega?
Не нужная хрень.