A lot of the younger dudes around me are bringing them back. Been skating since the late 90s, none of us used em. But I have tried them out on other people's setups, they're actually pretty awesome.
Rails originally were designed to help the board slide better. The other added benefit is it reduces the board graphics from being damaged. There are also nose and tail guards that does the same. Nose and tail guards does reduce pop however. Rails actually went out of demand rather than fashion. Many people wasn't skating ramps of pools anymore. The rails helped a lot in getting longer slides. This means the skater does not need to have a lot of speed getting on the coping to get a long slide out of it. For street, if you don't board slide a lot, it would be useless. But if you do, it would be beneficial. Some skaters used to install just 1 rail to reduce the fast sliding speed. Benefit is, if you wear out 1 rail, you have another to replace it. You can also somewhat cheat if you install just 1 rail when doing some tricks. You get better lock when you slide. But these days, if your board is not worn, you are not a skater. The rails are also a great way to carry the board around if you are not into mall grabbing.
Two of my boards have rails cause I put em on in the early ninety's and this mcnatt ever slick is extremely hard to find I bought in 91 and have had it since then graphic is still fresh the other an original roskop face it came with them when I bought it complete in the late eighties
When I was a kid in the 80s (yes I'm old) everybody had rails, then like Dale said, around 1990 they went out of style. I think rails were maybe fashionable because it was mainly vert skaters who were the stars back then & I assume they had them to assist with grab tricks (I could be totally wrong here though). Anyway, as Dale said, flip tricks became more popular & along with that slimmer boards, no plastics & smaller wheels/no risers which make flipping the board easier. I don't remember wax being a thing back then so perhaps wax became required more once rails were no longer fitted (there were also plastic 'copers' back then which clipped onto trucks which helped grind without sticking on ledges.)
Stuart M most of the dudes i knew used to keep one rail generally..they no rail at all..it tends to go back..there's only pros about having rails...bigger slide..saving of wax and protecting your board.
Stuart M i skated back from 1985-1992 (I'm pretty much 43) and we used them back as well, the Vision one's were better than the Powell Rib Bones because they were harder and would slide better, the Powell were to soft and would stick 👎
Rails are the best! No wax, no problem, rails got you covered! really helps you sit on some long distance boardslides, super rad for transition and really help when doing footplants, aerial grabs , or handplants!
Rails are for board sliding. Saving the board. Nose guard, tail guard, would keep the same deck in use for years. They were not cheap back in the 1980s. Z-Flex decks were proper expensive in the UK. You wanted to make it last as long as possible. Remember that these were used in bowls for the most part. Extra weight helped speed. Pop was something that we had to drink! Not a trick on a board! :-)
@@Miguel-yb3hf untill 85-86, no one had even done a fucking olly! I first saw in in ione of the skateboarding mags in around 1987 ish. The only thing you popped, was wankers heads like yours, prick!!
@@marccarter1350 That interesting. I started skating in the mid 80s and at the time, I wasn't even aware of the ollie. I only learned about ollies much later.
They were called rail guards, I started in 1987 and they had nose, tail and truck rail guards too. Yes world industries broke that trend and skateboards haven't changed much since lik 1991. You're skating a board that looks just like something out of 1990 or so.They were products of vert skating really, and skateboards were being redefined at the time to be lighter and easier to flip because street skating was just being invented. Also world industries wanted kids to break their boards so they'd buy more which is were focusing your deck came from. It's pretty ingenious, but they were trying to make decks lighter and easier to handle. All those rail guards on decks just made them really clunky. I don't know if you newer kids know about riser pads too. Because they phased those out too but they probably came back over the years. For instance there used to be a time when big noses hadn't been invented like the standard popsicle decks that became the mainstay, you can thank rodney mullen for that shape, he pretty much made skateboards into what it is today.Only because he wanted a board he could learn how to street skate with that wasn't a freestyle deck and it just kind of caught on. Ed templeton and Mike Vallely where early poineers for that board shape movement too imo. The world industries barnyard deck by mike v was a game changer back in the day
We didn't have the benefit of Skateparks everywhere either. I had a couple of friends with half pipes in their backyards, but other then that it was street skating with rough crappy curbs which rails helped alot.
Pool and vert very affective, load those bitches up with sex wax and even faster. I always felt it was a preference. If your a good skater or a beginner who cares, just go skate and crank the tunes.
Yep, this is all true. I don't know if the deck focusing trend was an actual Rocco strategy to sell more board or just a fringe benefit. I'd credit Jeremy Klein with popularizing it in the Rubbish Heap video though (poor Ron Chatman was too skinny and couldn't focus boards). I agree that rail/nose/tail guards made your setup super clunky and that was probably the main reason they died out. Nose and tail guards were always pretty cut, but rail guards and risers stuck it out until 1991 or so. World Industries even sold their own rails (Studs, Speculums and Skinny Little White Boys), risers (Bedpans) and tail guards (Wedgies, freestyle only) until 1990-91. They definitely set the pace/trends at that time, without a doubt. The Barnyard deck was a watershed moment/board shape. However, I think the shapes immediately after that (Dune's first pro model is a great example) were even better (sort of that 40 oz bottle shape) because the nose was rounded instead of squared. The Barnyard was a super odd shape, but its symmetrical shape (design by Rodney Mullen, yes) helped point the way forward. Are you familiar with any contemporary/modern shaped boards and the companies that sell them? My favorite shape is the P9 shape by Polar Skate Co. It's like a modern take on the 1990-1991 shape, squared tail and narrow rounded nose, but relatively "skinny" at 8.625 inches (instead of 9.25-9.75). They also have a bunch of other interesting shapes (along with the traditional Popsicle), including the Dane (Dane Brady) shape, which is basically a 1990 board, straight up. I highly recommend checking them out if you haven't.
Back in the day, people would attach PVC to their trucks so they could "grind" smoother in pools. Coping wasn't made out of metal. We also had hard plastic skid plates attached to the bottom of the kicktail--yes, decks only had one tail. I have no idea what their were function was, other than to protect the tail from wearing down.
respect for keeping a open mind an trying new things to you in skateboarding i think everyone should try different shapes its why mark Gonzalez is so cool that guy skates any shape
I started skating in 1986 and I used rails at first and only stopped because I didn’t want to spend the extra dough on hardware and rails I’ve used them off and on through the years I use them now they never really went out of style for me just kind of the mood I was in. Thanks for the vid
Hey man thanks for letting a 45 year old san diego skater native relive his teen board. I just bought a new set have almost a identical board as yours. I like wide board cause I got a 12 inch foot. . I need a good skidplate nowdays for brakeing.
Absolutely, been using the old thin G&S rails ONLY on transition & ramps for years. Makes a hell of a difference on coping and pool coping. I hate wax and the kids use it when we’re not around cause they ride the popsicle stix without rails causing certain death for us with rails! Local shop closed down in early 90’s and I got like 40 or 50 pair(all colors) back in the day and still have some new in the pack; price stickers from then $5.98!#🛹#🚫waxoncoping!#waxforcurbs
For the longest time iv’e been wondering if these rails damage the board since you have to screw them in with wood screws. And because of that you make unnescesary holes and cracks in the board.
skateboard rails went away because concave became the norm and it's hard to slide on a flat fat chunk of maple. when there is a curve your only sliding on that pressure point and there isn't enough resistance to need rails to help you slide
Absolutely love your videos. I remember when these came out. Also nose and tail guards. They even had plastic guards for your trucks so you could "grind further & save your trucks." (Those truck protectors sucked, I used mine about one week. I loved the sound of metal on metal/concrete. I eventually wore my back trucks completely flat) You have to remember decks were flat back then, except for a small kicktail. The plastic did make rail slides a little easier, since they reduced the surface area making contact. Also, when doing any handplant, or trick where you had to grab your board, I got a firmer grip. I also angled the "Rail Stix (I think was the name)" to where my fingers would be. Few people did that. As the first concave boards came out, they lost some of the functionality. I never used tail guards, they hindered my ollie attempts and would hang me up on the coping of a halfpipe (I'm 52 & started skating in 1973). I did like the nose guard though. Decks were expensive, the nose was very very small, & often got damaged when you beefed in a concrete ditch or pipe. I had many decks where the nose was just shredded from hitting the ground so hard. It also gave me a grip when I would ollie to a stop, and catch my board by the nose in the air. It was fun to skate at someone, then shoot the board at them, but catch it before it hit them. Please remember the timeframe, 70-80's. Skating was illegal, very unpopular, and it was all DIY, from tricks to board assembly. Part of me loves the popularity nowadays & I just sit and watch people skate, but part of me hates that so many take things for granted that we had to learn through blood, sweat, broken bones/egos, & the constant fear of being harassed by jocks & cops. Bottom line is, "Skateboarding should never have been a crime & there are no rules !!!" It's about fun, plain and simple. And if that means dropping in on a halfpipe, or doing a frontside axle grind or rail slide with plastic coping on your board, go for it & F..k what anybody says or thinks!!!!
I had two Powell Peralta boards in the late 80s and they had very mellow concaves. The rails on them worked like magic for board slides. I remember the first time I did a board slide was on a curb and it was so easy. First attempt was a success and it was great fun too. I left the hobby in the early 90s but got back into skating recently. I no longer have the Powell Peralta boards (probably stolen.) I currently have a modern popsical board with no rails and when I tried to boardslide a curb with that setup, I couldn't slide at all (not even a millimeter.) Time to get some rails again!
When boards were flat, adding rails [also known as "grab rails"] helped them slide, once they started adding concave to the boards the rails faded out for a while, since the concave helped the board slide better. There's more to it, the Nine Club just had a guy on who talked all about it. I can't remember his name right now.
Back in the 80s, I used rails on my Powell Peralta board for board slides on a double sided curb and they worked amazingly well. That PP deck had a really mellow concave by the way. Not too long ago, I used a modern board with a deeper concave and no rails for a board slide and I could not slide at all. Not even a millimeter. I then tried with a bit more speed and still no go. Time to buy some rails again.
I Start skateboarding in the 80's and still Skate ! Back in the days we use rails like drinking water because nobody use wax ! The wax time began in 90's and the ever slick boards and some other things at this time change to use rails. Iam very happy about the production of shape decks " my first was 2 or 3 years ago from Welcome skateboards " my dudes where surprised but today some of them skate shaped and we use some times rails for big boneless'es or long slides on curbs ! Thanks
Position of rails depends on the concave of the board, and whether or not you want to grind on the rails or the center of the board. If you want to ride the rails, use a straight edge/ruler to eliminate the high center in between the rails on the bottom of the board.
Just got a new Welcome board ( stoner son of moontrimmer 2.0 ) with rails and they are so sick!!! Helps a heap to get buttery front and back lipslides!! Daniel Vargas is the king of Welcome
We used rails in the 80s for one purpose. Our boards were big and heavy so it was a more secure grab when doing air and hand plant tricks. The new purpose seems to be easier slides.
I'm an advocate for using rails on curbs because they slide so well (when I did board slides in the 80s.) However, I thought they might get hooked up when you're coming off a metal rail like a hand rail. Though I see you didn't have that issue at the skate park. By the way, I'm not sure about drilling affecting a board's pop. Decks are drilled anyway for the truck inserts and nobody has issues with that. Plus back in the 80s when just about everybody had rails on their boards, some people were able to do super high ollies.
Board rails we're popular back in my heyday of skating. Glad to see them coming back. Used to be a company named Z that made peel and stick rails so you didn't mess up your board by drilling holes in it. "Z press on rails". A goof on the fake fingernails of the time- "Lee Press-on Nails".
we used to have skid plates on the tails, so you wouldnt scratch your board tail up, well the board shop would sell them if you gave them a couple bucks, that was for people who used their boards as transportation more than ricks, it kept the board tail from getting eaten up if used for a BRAKE
@Dale Decker You know mate, I've been skating for 20 or so years, with a few years in between of retirement due to severe injury, first time some months after a National Finals Comp in Austin Texas I believe with like heaps of people, a solid like 76 or 78 I believe, I got 13th, but I tunneled so hard onto a trick in the Vert Bowls I tried on impulse, but kept trying, and dropped my score out hard, those few months though, I got it, but ended up breaking both of my knees, eventually after years of healing, got back at it, but I guess when I was racing around my hometowns Bowls, at some point my top Bush directly under my Kingpin (only skate Grind King trucks with the Alan Bolt Rounded Pins) cracked, or tore I guess, since I only skate Mediums at most, got speed wobbles, then proceeded to fall back, zero chance of falling correctly, (unfortunately, my Wrist pads were so worn, I had tore for material a week earlier) and fell backwards, instinctively tried to brace my impact last second without meaning too because my helmet shifted up, so I wouldn't slam so hard, and fell on said wrist, popping those two ball shaped bone tips completely off from the rest of the wrist/arm bone, right under were ur hand bones start, and broke a bone in the back of my skull, lost 2/3rds of life's memory permanently unfortunately, but along with the bushing problem, I've always used rails, but being a fucking idiot sack of a teenager, I got it into my head that rails were old, and useless since I was, and am a pure Bowl/Vert skater (our 8ft is seemingly a 12 or even 14ft due to how much Vert it actually has) and don't ever really do slides, and when doing slides sometimes on the Spine for transition shit, I don't want the intense slide, since I have so much speed and force even when just cruising, and carving, not racing, that it slides naturally perfectly.. So I tossed my tails that I'd had for almost 12 years, one of probably 30+ pairs, and my favorite, most important pair period... (I love collecting Rails, and diff Board types) Genuinely caused my speed wobbles to be significantly worse than they would've been if I still had them because my board started actually flexing with the amount of force being placed on it from the speed, and forced wobbling, with me also trying to compensate to correct it as safely as possible, as I got to the shit whipping stage were my first foot of the two started to come off the board, as an example of the force on the board, the board cracked on the inside/ towards middle, but inside of the front trucks.. First just about a quarter of the board, then about 4/5ths cracked from bottom of the deck (graphic,) to the top (grip tape face,) straight across from right to left. Now I've surprisingly had speed wobbles that bad before, not many times, but have, with much worse, and weaker boards, softer Bushings causing equal, or worse wobbles at speed, sometimes even faster, but never have I had a board flex from that force, and worse before, they are fucking massive for stability in my opinion, just as important as bushings hands down, of course they aren't "Needed" in the way bushings are in the sense that you almost can't even skate without them, but you can without Rails, but I honestly wouldn't ever skate without them unless one: the hardware they gave with the rails in wrong, being too long, and you could fuck up your board, and two: you don't have the ability to put them on the correct way, by marking the exact position you want them, and the exact places the holes will be, and drilling pilot holes (pre-drilling with a smaller drill bit by half the hardware size, minimum) to prevent the screws from just puncturing the wood, then carving into it, and in most cases, separating/damaging the layers around the hole which aside from those can cause anything from small, to extreme stress fractures under the rails, and even inside the layers, leading the the surface, under the grip. I mean it is what it is overall, doing whatever you're able is fine of course, but it would help significantly to use rails in my opinion. I'm actually just coming back from that last really bad fall, and injuries, and I'm soooo glad to see rails are picking up and maybe even really main-stream now, hell, even Grind King is starting to make trucks again, my only two pair of trucks are a 15 year old matte black pair (thrashed so much I repainted, terribly tbh, and am about to do again) and my oldest at 20 years old that're raw axles, and electricish/metalic blue, can't go wrong with the Kings mann, but I'm def gona be getting some of those new Disruptors just in case they stop making trucks again.. Fuckin a dude this was a long ass comment, Great vid my guy, always some of the best content by far, and even more so for someone like me, just starting to learn the "harder" tricks like any flip tricks at all, that I never cared for as a carver, specially since every time I put in extreme time to them, and more, I always ended up shattering my growth plates in my ankles, fracturing the tops of my feet, etc, but this time, I fuckin got it this time for sure
Hi Dale. I’m 39 & used to have the board rails back in the 80’s. I heard another reason people stopped using them is that apparently they made the board weaker, not sure how true that is though. But I suppose screwing anything into wood might make it weaker 🤔
The new companies that sprang up in the 90's pushed their skaters to skate without rails. There were a few "behind closed doors" meetings that took place in this era that focused on ways to sell more product. They wanted all the photos in the magazines and videos to show the pros skating with no rails so the kids would do the same. After a couple of weeks your deck looked thrashed and you would start begging mom for a new deck. In the earlier days graphics wouldn't change for years sometimes. These newer companies started printing new graphics monthly for the kids that were trying to keep up with the latest trends. They also changed the shape of the wheel so that the graphics would rub off after the first couple of sessions. Make no mistake, these decisions were very calculated.
Good job for not falling on your @ s s, your first try! We would rail slide on the roughest concrete parking blocks... every time you slide it's like waxing the block. After a few attempts it's very slippery!
Board rails doesn't affect the boards pop. All of the pop lies in the tail and nose, you know that, Dale. Old cat was just making excuses for his weak ass ollies.
i feel like it would make sense because it could effect the flex of the board but idk, i've seen the powell team with rails and some of em get really tech
LoL friggin rails.... it's so funny, i used to have them on my board. It had the rails, the big brake thing on the tail and a triple concave on the semi pointed nose. Had a panther design on it with yellow and purple splatters. so insane.
Fuck yeah, I don't see how someone couldn't like your videos, made me want to go buy the board rails and use them, never have before and it seems to enhance your tricks in some ways keep it up boss!
With a fishtail deck, I like how some complete boards (like Powell Peralta) would have the rails curved to follow the curved shape of the deck. Looked really cool. With Santa Cruz boards, it looked strange to me having straight rails on a fish tail deck (from an aesthetic point of view.) It was still functional of course.
The guy who uses a board rail at my park only uses one. I'm not sure what side, but he said it's better with just one, as it increases the slippery-ness, but it's too slippery with both. We mostly have pools, transition at our park.
Back in the day we used them as standard gear. They disappeared with the introduction of wax. I can only imagine how slick they would be with the waxed up ledges you guys skate these days.
My first real skateboard my older brother bought me for my birthday as a child had rails I haven’t seen rails since then that was almost 20 years ago now they are coming back
I have deck rails. They also make it alot harder to accidentaly focus your board. Landing on a boardslide from high up doesnt nessecarily mean your board will instantly snap
What board would you recommend for learning tricks, riding / skatepark??? Like not sizes but the shapes?? Edit: I ride a popsicle board but I don’t know if it’s good for me
I know this is a very old query and you probably have your answers by now. Though I may as well respond. It depends on what type of tricks you're doing. If you're doing modern street tricks like flips, your popsical board would be ideal. However, if you're into doing older street tricks like the boneless and different types of grabs, you could use a popsical or a fish tail. Some people like the curved shape of the fish tail for grabs. I know I did in the 80s. For transitions, once again, people use both popsical and fish tail shapes. Some people reckon that fish tails are better for transition skating because they offer more stability. Then again, the skaters who use popsicals for bowls / ramps might disagree. For myself, I would like to get a fish tail for transitions. Though when I watched the park events in the Olympics recently, I noticed pretty much all the skaters were using popsical decks (even though that particular shape is intended for modern street skating.)
Im thinking about getting rails for my deck but i have a question... do they Break when you break your Deck or can you still use them? And yes my english is shit i know sorry 😂
my uncle uses rails..... they never when't out of style.
Nathaniel Vecchio if I had a uncle who skated I think he would still use rails
Nathaniel Vecchio when't
Just cause your uncle skated them doesn't mean they didn't go out of style I rarely see people use them
How on earth do you spell "went" incorrectly?
And you, Seth, please watch the video before commenting!
Alot of people's uncles use rails it seems.
Funny Im here cause Im teaching my nephew to skate
I'm somebody's uncle
@@soyoucanchangethis do you skate with riser pads too?
@@chilli-iceolive-abode2447 Nah I dont use rails either but I always liked Venture Lows anyway
A lot of the younger dudes around me are bringing them back. Been skating since the late 90s, none of us used em. But I have tried them out on other people's setups, they're actually pretty awesome.
Rails originally were designed to help the board slide better. The other added benefit is it reduces the board graphics from being damaged. There are also nose and tail guards that does the same. Nose and tail guards does reduce pop however.
Rails actually went out of demand rather than fashion. Many people wasn't skating ramps of pools anymore. The rails helped a lot in getting longer slides. This means the skater does not need to have a lot of speed getting on the coping to get a long slide out of it.
For street, if you don't board slide a lot, it would be useless. But if you do, it would be beneficial. Some skaters used to install just 1 rail to reduce the fast sliding speed. Benefit is, if you wear out 1 rail, you have another to replace it. You can also somewhat cheat if you install just 1 rail when doing some tricks. You get better lock when you slide.
But these days, if your board is not worn, you are not a skater. The rails are also a great way to carry the board around if you are not into mall grabbing.
netmatrix75 great info man!
netmatrix75 I use them to grind street curbs
Two of my boards have rails cause I put em on in the early ninety's and this mcnatt ever slick is extremely hard to find I bought in 91 and have had it since then graphic is still fresh the other an original roskop face it came with them when I bought it complete in the late eighties
Crooked Skate Supply Co yeah they do. I’m not sure if you’ve ever had rails but if you put them in 1.5-2 inches In, then it does protect the graphic.
I wish I could easily write that much about traveling on my English essay
6:37 your welcome
thx man
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Lol
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This guy is the only youtube skater who is not corny.
braille? VLskate?
idk why everybody else is all weird
Did this guy really said Braille? Lmao I'm done
Honestly I like Braille's trick tips but their content got so far away from skate tips.
Skateboard bruh?
my uncle still uses them
4:43
@@offroadmotorcyclechannel3450 lol
George Poulos did it first but he put them in too close
do another video about it but closer (:
The man speaks the truth
George Poulos gay comment
Loved that vid too but the closeness actually looked cool
George Poulos geogre you mum gay
When I was a kid in the 80s (yes I'm old) everybody had rails, then like Dale said, around 1990 they went out of style. I think rails were maybe fashionable because it was mainly vert skaters who were the stars back then & I assume they had them to assist with grab tricks (I could be totally wrong here though). Anyway, as Dale said, flip tricks became more popular & along with that slimmer boards, no plastics & smaller wheels/no risers which make flipping the board easier. I don't remember wax being a thing back then so perhaps wax became required more once rails were no longer fitted (there were also plastic 'copers' back then which clipped onto trucks which helped grind without sticking on ledges.)
Stuart M most of the dudes i knew used to keep one rail generally..they no rail at all..it tends to go back..there's only pros about having rails...bigger slide..saving of wax and protecting your board.
Stuart M i skated back from 1985-1992 (I'm pretty much 43) and we used them back as well, the Vision one's were better than the Powell Rib Bones because they were harder and would slide better, the Powell were to soft and would stick 👎
You are correct on us old vert/transition skaters & our Uncle’s rails!#Lol#🛹@Stuart M
wow all the skateparks in my town are filled with graffiti this one looked super bland looking
TripleM I love graffiti in parks it gives the park its personality
J-X-E exactly
Super Genius I wish I had a skatepark in my area
Super Genius i love my skate park i think it’s really famous too
but it’s filled with major graffiti
There’s no graffiti in 2 of my skateparks in my towb
The actual content starts at 6:37 (unless you want to see him buy and put on rails) You’re welcome.
Rails are the best! No wax, no problem, rails got you covered! really helps you sit on some long distance boardslides, super rad for transition and really help when doing footplants, aerial grabs , or handplants!
Rails are for board sliding. Saving the board. Nose guard, tail guard, would keep the same deck in use for years. They were not cheap back in the 1980s. Z-Flex decks were proper expensive in the UK. You wanted to make it last as long as possible. Remember that these were used in bowls for the most part. Extra weight helped speed. Pop was something that we had to drink! Not a trick on a board! :-)
marc carter tf pop is not a trick are you fucking stupid
@@Miguel-yb3hf untill 85-86, no one had even done a fucking olly! I first saw in in ione of the skateboarding mags in around 1987 ish. The only thing you popped, was wankers heads like yours, prick!!
@@marccarter1350 ok boomer
@@marccarter1350 That interesting. I started skating in the mid 80s and at the time, I wasn't even aware of the ollie. I only learned about ollies much later.
They were called rail guards, I started in 1987 and they had nose, tail and truck rail guards too. Yes world industries broke that trend and skateboards haven't changed much since lik 1991. You're skating a board that looks just like something out of 1990 or so.They were products of vert skating really, and skateboards were being redefined at the time to be lighter and easier to flip because street skating was just being invented. Also world industries wanted kids to break their boards so they'd buy more which is were focusing your deck came from. It's pretty ingenious, but they were trying to make decks lighter and easier to handle. All those rail guards on decks just made them really clunky. I don't know if you newer kids know about riser pads too. Because they phased those out too but they probably came back over the years. For instance there used to be a time when big noses hadn't been invented like the standard popsicle decks that became the mainstay, you can thank rodney mullen for that shape, he pretty much made skateboards into what it is today.Only because he wanted a board he could learn how to street skate with that wasn't a freestyle deck and it just kind of caught on. Ed templeton and Mike Vallely where early poineers for that board shape movement too imo. The world industries barnyard deck by mike v was a game changer back in the day
We didn't have the benefit of Skateparks everywhere either. I had a couple of friends with half pipes in their backyards, but other then that it was street skating with rough crappy curbs which rails helped alot.
Pool and vert very affective, load those bitches up with sex wax and even faster. I always felt it was a preference. If your a good skater or a beginner who cares, just go skate and crank the tunes.
Yep, this is all true. I don't know if the deck focusing trend was an actual Rocco strategy to sell more board or just a fringe benefit. I'd credit Jeremy Klein with popularizing it in the Rubbish Heap video though (poor Ron Chatman was too skinny and couldn't focus boards). I agree that rail/nose/tail guards made your setup super clunky and that was probably the main reason they died out. Nose and tail guards were always pretty cut, but rail guards and risers stuck it out until 1991 or so. World Industries even sold their own rails (Studs, Speculums and Skinny Little White Boys), risers (Bedpans) and tail guards (Wedgies, freestyle only) until 1990-91. They definitely set the pace/trends at that time, without a doubt.
The Barnyard deck was a watershed moment/board shape. However, I think the shapes immediately after that (Dune's first pro model is a great example) were even better (sort of that 40 oz bottle shape) because the nose was rounded instead of squared. The Barnyard was a super odd shape, but its symmetrical shape (design by Rodney Mullen, yes) helped point the way forward.
Are you familiar with any contemporary/modern shaped boards and the companies that sell them? My favorite shape is the P9 shape by Polar Skate Co. It's like a modern take on the 1990-1991 shape, squared tail and narrow rounded nose, but relatively "skinny" at 8.625 inches (instead of 9.25-9.75). They also have a bunch of other interesting shapes (along with the traditional Popsicle), including the Dane (Dane Brady) shape, which is basically a 1990 board, straight up. I highly recommend checking them out if you haven't.
Mullen didn't invent the Barnyard deck.
Rocco and Vallely stole the Double Vision mold and pressed them.
9:37 "Wow, im ganna fu-----"
Devin Russell lol
HE'S RAAAAAAGING!
Back in the day, people would attach PVC to their trucks so they could "grind" smoother in pools. Coping wasn't made out of metal. We also had hard plastic skid plates attached to the bottom of the kicktail--yes, decks only had one tail. I have no idea what their were function was, other than to protect the tail from wearing down.
uhh my uncle still uses board rails, they never went out of style
David Reyes Yes they did
David Reyes my bad I just got to that part lol
Nice stealing comments
Southside Chico he’s not stealing comments. If you actually watched the video you would know...
Here I am with my pig board with a nose guard, rails, tail bone, copers, and curb hopper lol
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heres me with my chipped, cracked and crappy in general walmart board that ive had for at least 4 years and cant even roll on it ahahah
You can put together a complete setup at Zumiez be out the door for $130.
@@thomasp7282 don't go to zumiez tho, support your local skate shop
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respect for keeping a open mind an trying new things to you in skateboarding i think everyone should try different shapes its why mark Gonzalez is so cool that guy skates any shape
I started skating in 1986 and I used rails at first and only stopped because I didn’t want to spend the extra dough on hardware and rails I’ve used them off and on through the years I use them now they never really went out of style for me just kind of the mood I was in. Thanks for the vid
Hey man thanks for letting a 45 year old san diego skater native relive his teen board. I just bought a new set have almost a identical board as yours. I like wide board cause I got a 12 inch foot. . I need a good skidplate nowdays for brakeing.
John Anderson u have a foot long foot??
Absolutely, been using the old thin G&S rails ONLY on transition & ramps for years. Makes a hell of a difference on coping and pool coping. I hate wax and the kids use it when we’re not around cause they ride the popsicle stix without rails causing certain death for us with rails! Local shop closed down in early 90’s and I got like 40 or 50 pair(all colors) back in the day and still have some new in the pack; price stickers from then $5.98!#🛹#🚫waxoncoping!#waxforcurbs
For the longest time iv’e been wondering if these rails damage the board since you have to screw them in with wood screws. And because of that you make unnescesary holes and cracks in the board.
Karina Amadu there’s already holes there for the trucks. You have to make new holes for you rails silly willy
@Karina Amadu yes unless you ride indys then your fine lol
You could pre-drill some holes with smaller diameter than the screw to decrease the risk of cracking.
I use Powell Peralta RAT NUTS, they keep your rails from getting ripped off. aka: One of the wood screws coming loose.
@@twenty2082 dude damn finally some who remembers rat nuts
I remember that day, I'm the one playing the guitar in the background!
More tactile vids like this pls bra, they have genuine purpose in the video world.
skateboard rails went away because concave became the norm and it's hard to slide on a flat fat chunk of maple. when there is a curve your only sliding on that pressure point and there isn't enough resistance to need rails to help you slide
I've been using them for a while. I definitely love doing it especially a boardslide on a double sided curb.
Absolutely love your videos. I remember when these came out. Also nose and tail guards. They even had plastic guards for your trucks so you could "grind further & save your trucks." (Those truck protectors sucked, I used mine about one week. I loved the sound of metal on metal/concrete. I eventually wore my back trucks completely flat) You have to remember decks were flat back then, except for a small kicktail. The plastic did make rail slides a little easier, since they reduced the surface area making contact. Also, when doing any handplant, or trick where you had to grab your board, I got a firmer grip. I also angled the "Rail Stix (I think was the name)" to where my fingers would be. Few people did that. As the first concave boards came out, they lost some of the functionality. I never used tail guards, they hindered my ollie attempts and would hang me up on the coping of a halfpipe (I'm 52 & started skating in 1973). I did like the nose guard though. Decks were expensive, the nose was very very small, & often got damaged when you beefed in a concrete ditch or pipe. I had many decks where the nose was just shredded from hitting the ground so hard. It also gave me a grip when I would ollie to a stop, and catch my board by the nose in the air. It was fun to skate at someone, then shoot the board at them, but catch it before it hit them. Please remember the timeframe, 70-80's. Skating was illegal, very unpopular, and it was all DIY, from tricks to board assembly.
Part of me loves the popularity nowadays & I just sit and watch people skate, but part of me hates that so many take things for granted that we had to learn through blood, sweat, broken bones/egos, & the constant fear of being harassed by jocks & cops. Bottom line is, "Skateboarding should never have been a crime & there are no rules !!!" It's about fun, plain and simple. And if that means dropping in on a halfpipe, or doing a frontside axle grind or rail slide with plastic coping on your board, go for it & F..k what anybody says or thinks!!!!
I had two Powell Peralta boards in the late 80s and they had very mellow concaves. The rails on them worked like magic for board slides. I remember the first time I did a board slide was on a curb and it was so easy. First attempt was a success and it was great fun too. I left the hobby in the early 90s but got back into skating recently. I no longer have the Powell Peralta boards (probably stolen.) I currently have a modern popsical board with no rails and when I tried to boardslide a curb with that setup, I couldn't slide at all (not even a millimeter.) Time to get some rails again!
Skate rails been around for years. I used them to keep my grafic nice. I even used a nose and tail rails.
dude ive been doing board grinds my whole life. dont let em hold you back dale!
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I like how the skateboard filming reflex is to film that guys run in the video, even in the background
When boards were flat, adding rails [also known as "grab rails"] helped them slide, once they started adding concave to the boards the rails faded out for a while, since the concave helped the board slide better. There's more to it, the Nine Club just had a guy on who talked all about it. I can't remember his name right now.
Nicholas Mesa Paul
Back in the 80s, I used rails on my Powell Peralta board for board slides on a double sided curb and they worked amazingly well. That PP deck had a really mellow concave by the way. Not too long ago, I used a modern board with a deeper concave and no rails for a board slide and I could not slide at all. Not even a millimeter. I then tried with a bit more speed and still no go. Time to buy some rails again.
I Start skateboarding in the 80's and still Skate ! Back in the days we use rails like drinking water because nobody use wax ! The wax time began in 90's and the ever slick boards and some other things at this time change to use rails. Iam very happy about the production of shape decks " my first was 2 or 3 years ago from Welcome skateboards " my dudes where surprised but today some of them skate shaped and we use some times rails for big boneless'es or long slides on curbs ! Thanks
My uncle still rides board rails they never went out of style
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@@mauimillen3484 no
Position of rails depends on the concave of the board, and whether or not you want to grind on the rails or the center of the board. If you want to ride the rails, use a straight edge/ruler to eliminate the high center in between the rails on the bottom of the board.
Just got a new Welcome board ( stoner son of moontrimmer 2.0 ) with rails and they are so sick!!! Helps a heap to get buttery front and back lipslides!! Daniel Vargas is the king of Welcome
We used rails in the 80s for one purpose. Our boards were big and heavy so it was a more secure grab when doing air and hand plant tricks. The new purpose seems to be easier slides.
I'm an advocate for using rails on curbs because they slide so well (when I did board slides in the 80s.) However, I thought they might get hooked up when you're coming off a metal rail like a hand rail. Though I see you didn't have that issue at the skate park.
By the way, I'm not sure about drilling affecting a board's pop. Decks are drilled anyway for the truck inserts and nobody has issues with that. Plus back in the 80s when just about everybody had rails on their boards, some people were able to do super high ollies.
Aren't they also suppose to protect ur paint on ur board too?
Lol, no.
@@MrZombieTurds yes...
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I'm glad I can count on you to give a good review on deck rails.
Board rails we're popular back in my heyday of skating. Glad to see them coming back.
Used to be a company named Z that made peel and stick rails so you didn't mess up your board by drilling holes in it. "Z press on rails".
A goof on the fake fingernails of the time- "Lee Press-on Nails".
we used to have skid plates on the tails, so you wouldnt scratch your board tail up, well the board shop would sell them if you gave them a couple bucks, that was for people who used their boards as transportation more than ricks, it kept the board tail from getting eaten up if used for a BRAKE
I used to have deck rails on my board when I was like 9 and I really liked them
@Dale Decker
You know mate, I've been skating for 20 or so years, with a few years in between of retirement due to severe injury, first time some months after a National Finals Comp in Austin Texas I believe with like heaps of people, a solid like 76 or 78 I believe, I got 13th, but I tunneled so hard onto a trick in the Vert Bowls I tried on impulse, but kept trying, and dropped my score out hard, those few months though, I got it, but ended up breaking both of my knees, eventually after years of healing, got back at it, but I guess when I was racing around my hometowns Bowls, at some point my top Bush directly under my Kingpin (only skate Grind King trucks with the Alan Bolt Rounded Pins) cracked, or tore I guess, since I only skate Mediums at most, got speed wobbles, then proceeded to fall back, zero chance of falling correctly, (unfortunately, my Wrist pads were so worn, I had tore for material a week earlier) and fell backwards, instinctively tried to brace my impact last second without meaning too because my helmet shifted up, so I wouldn't slam so hard, and fell on said wrist, popping those two ball shaped bone tips completely off from the rest of the wrist/arm bone, right under were ur hand bones start, and broke a bone in the back of my skull, lost 2/3rds of life's memory permanently unfortunately, but along with the bushing problem, I've always used rails, but being a fucking idiot sack of a teenager, I got it into my head that rails were old, and useless since I was, and am a pure Bowl/Vert skater (our 8ft is seemingly a 12 or even 14ft due to how much Vert it actually has) and don't ever really do slides, and when doing slides sometimes on the Spine for transition shit, I don't want the intense slide, since I have so much speed and force even when just cruising, and carving, not racing, that it slides naturally perfectly.. So I tossed my tails that I'd had for almost 12 years, one of probably 30+ pairs, and my favorite, most important pair period... (I love collecting Rails, and diff Board types) Genuinely caused my speed wobbles to be significantly worse than they would've been if I still had them because my board started actually flexing with the amount of force being placed on it from the speed, and forced wobbling, with me also trying to compensate to correct it as safely as possible, as I got to the shit whipping stage were my first foot of the two started to come off the board, as an example of the force on the board, the board cracked on the inside/ towards middle, but inside of the front trucks.. First just about a quarter of the board, then about 4/5ths cracked from bottom of the deck (graphic,) to the top (grip tape face,) straight across from right to left.
Now I've surprisingly had speed wobbles that bad before, not many times, but have, with much worse, and weaker boards, softer Bushings causing equal, or worse wobbles at speed, sometimes even faster, but never have I had a board flex from that force, and worse before, they are fucking massive for stability in my opinion, just as important as bushings hands down, of course they aren't "Needed" in the way bushings are in the sense that you almost can't even skate without them, but you can without Rails, but I honestly wouldn't ever skate without them unless one: the hardware they gave with the rails in wrong, being too long, and you could fuck up your board, and two: you don't have the ability to put them on the correct way, by marking the exact position you want them, and the exact places the holes will be, and drilling pilot holes (pre-drilling with a smaller drill bit by half the hardware size, minimum) to prevent the screws from just puncturing the wood, then carving into it, and in most cases, separating/damaging the layers around the hole which aside from those can cause anything from small, to extreme stress fractures under the rails, and even inside the layers, leading the the surface, under the grip. I mean it is what it is overall, doing whatever you're able is fine of course, but it would help significantly to use rails in my opinion. I'm actually just coming back from that last really bad fall, and injuries, and I'm soooo glad to see rails are picking up and maybe even really main-stream now, hell, even Grind King is starting to make trucks again, my only two pair of trucks are a 15 year old matte black pair (thrashed so much I repainted, terribly tbh, and am about to do again) and my oldest at 20 years old that're raw axles, and electricish/metalic blue, can't go wrong with the Kings mann, but I'm def gona be getting some of those new Disruptors just in case they stop making trucks again..
Fuckin a dude this was a long ass comment, Great vid my guy, always some of the best content by far, and even more so for someone like me, just starting to learn the "harder" tricks like any flip tricks at all, that I never cared for as a carver, specially since every time I put in extreme time to them, and more, I always ended up shattering my growth plates in my ankles, fracturing the tops of my feet, etc, but this time, I fuckin got it this time for sure
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@@morrislafveskans3499 Pretty close, give, or take about 57 mins
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Amazing. Rails used to be the standard. I always used Borgy rails, they slid like nobody's business. Borgy copers and rails were awesome
rail slide...old school.... love it!
Hi Dale. I’m 39 & used to have the board rails back in the 80’s. I heard another reason people stopped using them is that apparently they made the board weaker, not sure how true that is though. But I suppose screwing anything into wood might make it weaker 🤔
Now put truck guards, a nose guard, and a tail scrap on your board.
I love that mini bowl. I like to warm up there before going to hb.
The new companies that sprang up in the 90's pushed their skaters to skate without rails. There were a few "behind closed doors" meetings that took place in this era that focused on ways to sell more product. They wanted all the photos in the magazines and videos to show the pros skating with no rails so the kids would do the same. After a couple of weeks your deck looked thrashed and you would start begging mom for a new deck. In the earlier days graphics wouldn't change for years sometimes. These newer companies started printing new graphics monthly for the kids that were trying to keep up with the latest trends. They also changed the shape of the wheel so that the graphics would rub off after the first couple of sessions. Make no mistake, these decisions were very calculated.
easily the best edited vlog so far dale! support organic and natural ✌️✌️✌️✊✊✊
Good job for not falling on your @ s s, your first try! We would rail slide on the roughest concrete parking blocks... every time you slide it's like waxing the block. After a few attempts it's very slippery!
nice on the transitions. ive been using rails since 86 and i aint no uncle of someones
uncle jay finaly i found you after all these years !!!
im using double side carpet tape for my rails not to weaken my board by diggin holes in it..it works really nice
I've skated rails off and on for 30 years. To me they make the board more rigid. And give you something to grab . and they make slides easier.
Board rails doesn't affect the boards pop. All of the pop lies in the tail and nose, you know that, Dale. Old cat was just making excuses for his weak ass ollies.
Foodoholic it does add a little weight but not much
i feel like it would make sense because it could effect the flex of the board but idk, i've seen the powell team with rails and some of em get really tech
@@_Maxten In the 1980s, pretty much everyone used rails and there were some huge ollies back then.
Its cool to see a UA-camr skate my local park
Thats my local skatepark liberty but u should check out stanton
LoL friggin rails.... it's so funny, i used to have them on my board. It had the rails, the big brake thing on the tail and a triple concave on the semi pointed nose. Had a panther design on it with yellow and purple splatters. so insane.
My dad has rails on on his old skateboard from the 80s
Yoooo I love how all my favorite skaters visit or live in this lil town
The rails remind me of the Nash boards I used to ride when I was a very small child...
My 1st board was a red Nash in 85 !
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Glorified H always
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My 1st board had raills, a nose cap, tail bumper, truck protectors, and king pin bumper guards. Lol!!!
my uncle still uses board rails! they never went out of style!
Fuck yeah, I don't see how someone couldn't like your videos, made me want to go buy the board rails and use them, never have before and it seems to enhance your tricks in some ways keep it up boss!
Riding the rails for life
dale you are literally the best
With a fishtail deck, I like how some complete boards (like Powell Peralta) would have the rails curved to follow the curved shape of the deck. Looked really cool. With Santa Cruz boards, it looked strange to me having straight rails on a fish tail deck (from an aesthetic point of view.) It was still functional of course.
You just bend them when attaching.
@@vorpalblades I know.
The rails do affect your popping but it's a matter of a harder pop flip.. Rails rule on half pipes and some street grinds&slide....
The guy who uses a board rail at my park only uses one. I'm not sure what side, but he said it's better with just one, as it increases the slippery-ness, but it's too slippery with both. We mostly have pools, transition at our park.
Rails do help your boards last much much longer, and it stiffens the board under your feet so it doesn't bend and add tension to the maple wood fibers
Back in the day we used them as standard gear. They disappeared with the introduction of wax. I can only imagine how slick they would be with the waxed up ledges you guys skate these days.
How wide is that shaped board? I kinda like it.
That skate shop is amazing
Yes they help, I am semi pro and I always use them. Fantastic technology that saves the environment by using less decks.
Constable Dodo no ur not semi pro
My first real skateboard my older brother bought me for my birthday as a child had rails I haven’t seen rails since then that was almost 20 years ago now they are coming back
Love your music taste, man
Do they hjelp for not breaking the board so easly?
Eriknorr Absolutely! They take a lot of the impact & distribute the weight evenly...Ive been sk8ing them for 30+ yrs!
Jason Smither Are you fucking kidding me? A thin piece of flexible plastic?
Reckless Rickey Yep. Them and risers act as shock absorbers.
Bullshit if anything the additional holes in the board compromise the structural integrity of the wood
Reckless Rickey yes they do definitely help ur board from not snapping he’s right
It helps heaps if you put silicone or glue under them so they don't make wierd noises or rattle
Every time I watch I Dale Decker video I'm just like like like like like like like
You look badass in that white Tee dude!
Rails were popular for sliding before wax, ever slick boars replace rails and then wax replace ever slick.
How long does your decks normally last?
Thats what she said.
I wonder if it would flip better if you mounted them closer in to the center of the board.?
deck rails make sense, if you like to grin a lot, should save you some coin on new boards :)
I have deck rails. They also make it alot harder to accidentaly focus your board. Landing on a boardslide from high up doesnt nessecarily mean your board will instantly snap
I live in Long Beach I live like 5 minutes away from John hill
o my god i just realised that the slammin logo is almost the oreo logo
I use them, I love them.
Can you remove them from an old board and transfer to a new board?
I'm the uncle who still uses rails. Been skating since 1986. Keep pushing peeps.
I used to do rail-slides, with no rails. for the last five years or so I've been boardsliding
What board would you recommend for learning tricks, riding / skatepark??? Like not sizes but the shapes??
Edit: I ride a popsicle board but I don’t know if it’s good for me
I know this is a very old query and you probably have your answers by now. Though I may as well respond. It depends on what type of tricks you're doing. If you're doing modern street tricks like flips, your popsical board would be ideal. However, if you're into doing older street tricks like the boneless and different types of grabs, you could use a popsical or a fish tail. Some people like the curved shape of the fish tail for grabs. I know I did in the 80s. For transitions, once again, people use both popsical and fish tail shapes. Some people reckon that fish tails are better for transition skating because they offer more stability. Then again, the skaters who use popsicals for bowls / ramps might disagree. For myself, I would like to get a fish tail for transitions. Though when I watched the park events in the Olympics recently, I noticed pretty much all the skaters were using popsical decks (even though that particular shape is intended for modern street skating.)
Im thinking about getting rails for my deck but i have a question... do they Break when you break your Deck or can you still use them? And yes my english is shit i know sorry 😂
Do rail guards help with board slides on cement street skating ?
I think I’m gonna get some rails for my next board
“I’m gonna try out these board rails”
*proceeds to do 50-50 grinds and tail stalls*
lolz. Good video though!!
Guys, how is the DaleDecker's board shape is called? And does skating this square-nosed board differs from a regular board skating?
You should try rocking one rail instead of both, I found I had more control of the slide with just one rail.
Damn... Trevor's a true gangster. Uncle Trevor be ridin his motorbike to the skatepark
And they also inadvertently help to save the graphics of the deck