Coleman CT200U-EX 63MPH minibike gets a Torque converter
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2022
- Coleman CT200U-EX 63MPH minibike gets a Torque converter
Installed a torque converter on the Coleman CT200U-EX minibike with a Predator 212 to see how much top speed the bike would lose and how much quicker it would be.
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torque converter
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I blame your channel for all the parts that will be showing up to my house this week for a build. Thanks for the convincing lol
LOL That is awesome! I'm glad we could help!!!😃👍🤏
i bought two minibikes within two weeks because of your channel keep up the good work
I was literally about to get on UA-cam and search jackshaft vs torque converter vs straight chain. Thank you
I agree with everyone, he's got more torque at launch than he knows what to do with so just drop the rear tooth count and I'll bet he not only gets his top speed back but does the 0-60 faster cuz he won't be fighting a wheelie and can punch full throttle.
Now that alone should do it but if he also tunes the TC to his mods he'll get even better performance out of it.
It’s gonna slow the bike down at launch if he goes with a smaller rear sprocket
@@Manchildchannelyeah but thats what he needs ive done it before if it gets less torque then no wheelie and quicker 0-30
@@Texas_bikes66 Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. I have done many engine and part swaps and disc brake conversion since this video. ua-cam.com/video/eHax9KYC0xo/v-deo.html
@@Manchildchannel Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. I have done many engine and part swaps and disc brake conversion since this video. ua-cam.com/video/eHax9KYC0xo/v-deo.html
This gets better 0-60 than my mom's car
Check out the e-bike. It gets 0 to 30 in the one-second range! ua-cam.com/video/XkRNGWfpgCE/v-deo.html
What size are the two bolts on the front of the torque converter?
I have the exact mini-bike with the stock engine, no engine mods. at all. I am running a Power Sport torque converter and clock it regularly at 38 MPH and I weigh about 212 pounds.
Wow . I have same but In tac black. Good to know. I was wondering if the torque converter adds more speed. Because right not my bike is stock and slow. Do u think I need to add a riser pad if I go straight chain n smaller sprocket?
@@thecrafteeone6192 maybe not but the chain guard may get in the way
Springs or shimms under the stock springs will do and delete the governor and u can get 50 easy from the stock 196!! I to have both the regular ex and black tac awesome bikes!
@@thecrafteeone6192 I have the same bike, stage 2 kit with the torque converter. I weigh 200lbs and it tops out at 46 with factory governor
@@thecrafteeone6192 website of torque converter
Awesome video keep the good work up
If you adjust the spring tension on the rear TC pulley you can adjust how quickly it goes into a “higher gear”.
Love the video🔥
Lean forward on the bike when you take off should reduce some of the pop up in the front end
Smaller rear sprocket will do it for ya. Probably keep the 0-30 the same cause you’ll be able to really get on it and you’ll have your top speed back or close
At 1:52 into the video, what kind of spacer are you using for your spare one?
I would like to know what's the belt size for the torque conveter ...
love the vids
So i bought a torque converter but the driver clutch pulley wont expand except on full throttle, and wont go past like 10 mph(barelyengaged) belt still at the bottom of the converter??? Im very confused any help
So I'm running a 12 tooth on front and stock sprocket on rear on a colemen 100u. 212 seems to hit top speed and start to sputter and not want more. Ideas?
Where do you get that extra spacer? Need that part
What magnetic flywheel did you run because all I see are billet flywheels but I want to be able to run lights
Very interesting, thanks.
Thanks, More coming on Saturday, Check it out
What size (number of teeth) was the rear sprocket?
I need a engine riser for my ct200uex pls recommend something I need help
get the juggernaut driver from go power sorts and do this test again, then try a rear sprocket change. still plenty left on that top end with the added benefit of great bottom end.
Check out this playlist . I have tried quite a few different combos with the CT200U-EX . More to come
ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
hi, I also fitted the same kit, when I walk 2 km I touch the belt and it overheats why?? yours is the same i.e. does it overheat??? or is it normal??
You need to set the driven clutch green spring to delay shift to allow the engine to maintain higher rpm throughout the shift. It's bogging from the shift occuring too early.
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many combos and engines with this bike. Thanks for watching!
Is this the 35 or 40/41 torque converter kit
Be careful the frames not made for that kind of abuse, my Coleman ct200 frame cracked in 3 places. Great video
👍👍Have you seen the 60 MPH videos I have on this bike? ua-cam.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/v-deo.html
I put a belt drive on one mini bike. The drive bolt in the drive shaft fell out (strip the drive). I am lost what to do now... Everyone says "size it, thread it..." but I think the drive needs to be replaced.
Your making me want to put my clutch back on but I ride in the woods so I depend on the toque converter to get me up the hills.
It would really be hard on the clutch climbing the hills. The converter is better for what you do.
Hey I know a great idea for a video. Belt test. Test the 203589 Vs. the 203590 and see if you gain any MPH or acceleration and higher RPM.
I bought the same riser mount because you recommended it. It is built very well and I love that I don’t have to paint it! Ha! You mentioned that you needed another spacer, do you have a link for that? Thanks for another great video!
Thanks. The spacer is just a 3/4 flat washer i picked up at the hardware store. You can use the converter kit without the extra spacer/washer. I use one just too put the pullies in better alignment.
@@Black66 got it thanks! I look forward to all your vids. Keep up the good work!
Does it need the riser mount?
Nice video, thanks for sharing. Where did you get that mini bike lift from?
Thanks! Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many engine and part swaps with this bike and others. Not sure about the lift I picked it up used. ua-cam.com/video/bXRQfwHEPfg/v-deo.html
Where did you get that engine spacer/engine mount. I have the predator 212cc I need a good carb for it as well. Thank you
The links are in the description for the parts. Check out the CT200U-EX for more combos on this bike. ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
I raised the seat an inch to change the angle of the seat, moves the cg forward, and you lose the sensation that you are sliding off the back. What clutch did you remove. Appreciate your approach to modifying these mini bikes👍
Thanks! That is a good idea!
I used a 3/4 shaft clutch on the Predator
What rear sprocket is this running?
I want to see this bike with the same setup but with a 12t or 15t pulley side sproket, and maybe a 35t rear sprocket.
Maybe even add the juggernaut on the front.
I'm doing a sinilar build but struggling to find a 15t C type #40/420 chain driver. Or a good 35t rear.
But id like to see a 4.5s 0-30 and a nice cruising top speed of 65 at 3/4 throttle, so I'm not pushing the motor hard on longer rides, but the bikes transmission naturally changes gear ratios to climb better and wont lug
I have done combos with the Juggernaut and the 40 rear sprockets in the CT200U=EX playlist and the Mega Moto 12 playlist. I have gotten the MM212 bike to run over 60 with the Juggernaut. Check it out.ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/2GxryXDUkt8/v-deo.html
@@Black66 nice I have watched them, but I'm trying to keep my governor because I have electric start, a stator setup, and a rectifier for charging. Which means no aftermarket flywheel.
Just yes. 😎
Hey man I have a 224 put the same valve springs in what did you set your exhaust and intake to for valve gap
.003 Thanks for watching the videos!
Bro do you Build and sale any of ur motors you making me want a mini bike but I don't want it unless that motor hyped up I know how to do it but don't have no the tools
Damn that motor mount keeps you from having to cut off the chain guard bracket fml. I already cut mine off
Sup black66? I have a question? Will a straight chain & smaller rear sprocket on colemanct200u ex work without a riser plate?
Yes, the chain gets close to the frame, but it works. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. I added a 40 sprocket in one of the videos ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
I have a stock ct200x, with the throttle limiter tab bent down, I get 23mph. Question: About 85% throttle, handles/frame vibrates so crazy, hurts my hand after long rides, but once 100% throttle it's good again. Second question: Without taking the engine apart,what would you recommend to get to about 35-40mph? Thanks in advance.
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist .We upgraded the CT200U-EX step by step . ua-cam.com/video/bXRQfwHEPfg/v-deo.html
I don't know why I think these things are so cool. I think it's just the tinkering and ability to make a small motor really perform...lol. Definitely need to buy one but they are getting expensive...
Yes, I noticed that the other day. They are getting ridiculous in Price.
@@Black66 I was going to get the red one at Walmart but I checked the other day and they bumped up 300 bucks...lol. it's a different model than you have. Not sure if they are all about the same or if some models are better than others
@@linkscape1957 The prices are getting crazy on these things! For me, a lot of it is a personal preference.
Can you raise the engine with some wood or is that a nono
I bought the exact same converter you have and it’s amazing! My belt did snap. Do you know what size or a link of the ones you bought?
I think this one should work www.gopowersports.com/30-series-drive-belt-203590/
Could you tell me the length of chain used?? Please&thank you!!😁✌️💚
PRETTY PLEASE....🤣✊️🔥
Hey Bro. I have a CT200UEX stock, I see you have the same however you ran it without the jackshaft, on the clutch only well how did it run on the with the clutch only.
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. It's been through many different combos. I got it up past 60 MPH. Here is the link ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
I have a Mega Moto MMB-105 with a Predator 212 all stock except the throttle linkage and it has a 12 tooth front sprocket and 75 tooth rear on 6in wheels... I only get 27mph if I push it. My question is what would bring that top speed up the most for the best price $$ as im on a budget lol?
A smaller rear sprocket. Anything smaller than the 75 will help you. Try a 60 rear. That she be about 38-45. 53 rear might be about 50-52. You can also change the clutch, I recommend from 15-18 tooth clutch with that 75 tooth. I miss my mini bikes
I seen 64mph an I like that trumpet 👍🏾
on the 196 coleman engine, what do you set the lash for the 18lb springs? I am having a hard time getting them adjusted right. It is making the pull start basically yank the rope out of your hand when you try to pull it and now it is "ticking"
I set all my engines at .003 thousandth
@@rabbitrunner2948 I set both at .004 last night and that seems to help. Do you think I am ok with this on the 196cc?
You should be golden
Came here when my kids CT jackshaft bearing fell out not too much more $$ to upgrade to Torque converter.
How does the stock brake handle the extra speed ?
The stock brake handles some extra speed. When you start getting up there to 50 or 60 MPH it could use upgrading. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. It has a hydraulic brake video. Thanks for watching the videos !
@@Black66 Ok cool man....he's 14 so may do TC mod and leave it all stock so not too crazy.. ; /
That's a tough bike
Can you please post a link of the motorcycle lift you are using? I’d like to purchase one. Thanks & great video 💪🏼
Thanks! I think its from Harbor freight but not positive. I got it used. check out the CT200U-EX playlist for more videos and combos with the CT200U-EX ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
is it me or does it look like handlebars are bent or...something?
That torque converter requires some breakin. With just a new belt, it has a crap load of friction. Once the bearings and belt loosen up, You're likely to see high 50's after some miles are on it. I had an older two seater kart that had the torque converter and a bone stock flathead briggs. It was about as slow as pond water until my cousin and I installed a cam and header pipe. Then it would get about 40 mph but the engine was still bogging at top speed. From a dead stop it would spin both back tires on the concrete.
I have a red Coleman mini bike and I have been thinking about a predator 225 and a torque converter but I really don't think it would be a good idea. I don't heal like I use to. 🤣🤣🤣
This was a used torque converter that was totally broken in. Check out the playlist on this bike. It was used in many different combos. ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
I just put a new TC on my massimo, 224 predator but now is kind of boggy like u said, especially at top speed
For top speed speed should I run a torque Converter or a normal racing clutch ?
On the big bikes like a CT200U-EX I would run a torque converter. Its hard on the clutch with the tall tires on the bigger bikes. Check out the CT200U-EX and other playlists on the channel. You can get plenty of top speed from a torque converter with the right set up. ua-cam.com/video/W8lcopztTxQ/v-deo.html
Do I need that mount if I get a Torque converter or will it come with it ?
It comes with the backing plate but you need the riser mount.
Are you here anywhere in Florida 🤔🤔 if I ever get one I would love for you to modify it...
I'm in AZ
I tell people all the time a straight chain is much faster... I don't know what it does to the clutch life but the torque converter adds more weight to the bike too. Would rather just grease up the clutch and run it straight.
Wish I woulda done that
Is straight chain better for top and or good for both bottom and top.
That straight chain is monster!!! A free upgrade just about
@@Naferner_Said I recently popped on a torque converter and I love jumping up the hills.
I’d rather have the torq-a-verter and lose a few miles per hour than have to deal with a regular clutch setup. In my experiences the chain doesn’t get thrown off at all and the power is a lot better to boot.
Check out The CT200U-EX playlist. I use a torque converter and many other combos on this bike. Thanks for watching! ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
@@Black66
I’ll check it out. Thanks and have a great rest of the night.
Chain thrown off? Then you just don’t know how to work on mini bikes
Torque Converter has its downsides too. The belt doesn't last forever and if it gets wet it slips.
Can a torque converter limit engine rpms vs a chain?
Yes use a juggernaut driver like in this video ua-cam.com/video/TRW-5IaOIGY/v-deo.html
👍 👍
Gotta hang your entire body weight off the front, can def keep the front end down at that power and speed. I'm at a 2.4 0-30. great video! Can you test if the juggernaut slips less?
Thanks,That video comes out on Saturday
Are you using a Dragy? Are you hitting 60 mph, if so, do you have a time? The juggernaut is MUCH better than the stock driver in terms of shifting smoothy. But, it finishes out at lower ratio, so you need a different sprocket (larger front or smaller rear) to maintain top speed.
@@mlindsay527Yes I'm using a Dragy. I have tried multiple combos on the CT200U-EX. Check out the play list. I have used a juggernaut on a few of them ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
Question, I have the same Coleman with a tc. Trying to gain top end speed. Will the mikunni carb help ? Or do u need to change the a 60 tooth ? Thanks I’m advance currently maxing out at 47mph
Still have stock hisun in it.
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. It shows the performance gains after each mod. We did some sprocket swaps carb swaps etc. ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
@@Black66 thanks I’m going to check the playlist.
@@Black66 if I install the Makunni carb, do I have to remove the governor from inside the motor ? Or just the linkage etc from, also if I remove the governor linkage. Will I run any risk of damaging the motor, due to high rpms etc. thanks again, your videos are great. Keep them coming !
@@Black66 yea I’d like to know as well
If you remove or don’t use the governor linkage do you have to have the governor arm facing open or closed?
I want to k ow why u lost 10mph...u never said what your clutch size was and most stock torque converters like this one comes with a 10 tooth 40/41 size and if you were running like a 15 clutch of course your gonna lose top end 🤷🤷🤷 so please what side clutch did u have ?!?!?
I just installed this on my predator 224, gained 10mph... but the throttle is now weird and cuts in and out with speed, any ideas?
might be the belt slipping
Sounds like you were banging on the governor. Back out the throttle screw.
Hi Black66, Could you send me a link to the best torque converter band. The ones I ordered off Amazon all blew off after a few rides each
If you buy a converter like this one or a comet it will hold a good amount of power. www.ombwarehouse.com/torque-converter-3-4-bore.html
@@Black66 Oh! I was looking for a belt, But thank you for the link lol😆. I realized that my torque converter also didn't have the brass bushing (Where the band slides on to) Maybe that's why my bands are blowing off🤷♂️
@@ezekiel8915 It actually should be ok without the bushing if your not setting and idleing all the time. I would make sure the pullies are in alignment . If not it will eat up belts faster. Sometimes you have to add an extra washer on the driver to bring it out a little to get the driver driven in alignment.
Thank you so much for your help, Yeah I'll definitely check if it's aligned. I don't know if the bands were bad or not. Also my drum brakes are squeaking very bad, Is there a fix to that?
@@ezekiel8915 If you use some of those slotted brake shoes
That's one way to quiet it down. Also while it is apart use some very fine sand paper or a Scotch-Brite pad to get the glaze off the drum.
Probably needs a Juggernaut to complement the mods you have.
Yep. With that gearing the current mods are not taken advantage of running it to only 4200 RPM or so. It never gets far enough into where the most power is. This has happened to many with the Coleman bikes over the years. Very common. Guys will build a decently powerful engine and complain about not getting enough RPM at top speed. When the Juggernaut came out it took care of that.
what is a juggernaut im new to the whole mini bike thing sorry
@@WhoWasMae It's a 30 series driver that can be used to replace the stock driver on a torque converter. It's main feature is gearing after the belt shifts. The stock driver gets you overdrive (.9/1) once the belt shifts to high. The Juggernaut gets nowhere near OD and gets to around 1.5/1 or so allowing higher engine RPM at speed.
The gearing difference between the 2 drivers is quite dramatic. The bike in the video is getting 4.5/1 overall once the belt shifts. The Juggernaut would get around 7.5/1 overall gearing. The bike in the video could use a Juggernaut and a 40 tooth sprocket.
@@Deucealive75 love my juggernaut im 265 and tall and the stock one on my mb200-2 wasn't cutting it lol put the juggernaut on and made a bigger difference. Lol
@@shawn6684 Nice!
I wanna see this bike with a 37 tooth sprocket 0-30 speed test and top speed please
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. We got close and used a 40-rear sprocket. ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
what size torque converter did u use
30 series. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many engine and part combos with this bike .
How much has this build cost you? Curious cause I’d like to do it to mine
So I’m doing the same thing to my bike cost is $120 about (with a torque converter and some new chain and riser) if you use a cheap square tubing engine risers for $20 instead of the $50 risers but it’s up to you
Hey if I have a predator 212 and a torque converter would I still have a little torque if I added a 38 tooth rear sprocket instead of the stock 50 tooth? I hit 55 right now and am wanting to hit 60
Without removing the torque converter
@@nathanialhulsey6900 Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. There is a video in there where we did something similar. 40 tooth rear sprocket. ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
I have a 38t sprocket lost 7mph Don do it actually a 60t will be more beneficial I have 60t can’t get past 52 mph but I have a stock ghost 212
@@bigdawgshowtochannel8983 That's pretty good if you are running 10/60 sprockets with the stock torque converter driver. I would leave it there unless you are dead set on getting higher than 52.
where did you buy the second spacer?
Studz racing has everything .
Thank you!
What torque converter kit is this?
The link for the torque converter is in the description.
I have a RT200 with a built 212, 30 series cvt with a juggernaut and run 60 consistently with a worn out belt. Could probably do 65 with a new belt. The guy who built it says I could 70 if I switched to a clutch 👀
Whats your gearing
What is more reliable straight chain or torque converter
I would say torque converter for the big bikes because they weigh more have tall tires and are hard on the clutch.
@@Black66 thank you been appreciate it!
Sold my 200ex. Footpegs are too far forward for trail riding, can't stand up. It's great on the roads though, for sure.
Coleman RB200 (ReBranded200) handles rough trails like an off-road Cadillac, with its perfect foot peg placement and massive seat.
I know what you mean but I'm just gonna weld mine to a different spot
Was the riser a must?
Yes the riser is a must because the driven can scrape the bottom of the frame
I feel this is an unfair comparison as a torque converter out of the box is setup for a stock governed engine and in my opinion it needs to be tuned to your engine just like a carburetor for it to work to it's full potential
If he change the back spocket
how do i tune my torque converter i have an ungoverned predator 212 that i just bought and a torque converter that i just bought but i want to mod out my engine like his are you talking about spring positions or rear sprocket or front sprocket or all of them combined or what?
@@WhoWasMae They make different weights and springs to change the engagement rpm and the speed the belt shifts for the driver and they also make different springs for the driven also. I've found the aluminum weights and blue springs to be the most common setup for the driven and really wakes the bike up if your bike is more heavily modified then it might take some experimenting with different spring combinations
Get a juggernaut and it will be a whole different animal.
Check out the playlist. I have used a juggernaut multiple times on different combos. ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
Hi brother, would you sell that bike as is ?
I have multiple bikes on the channel I will sell or give away on the channel at some point. Right now, I use them for testing different combos. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
Extend your foot pegs out front 👍
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many mods and engine swaps on the Coleman bike ua-cam.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/v-deo.html
Those torque converters tear they those belts though.
Depends on pulley alignment and gearing.
A 60 tooth sprocket would most likely get you back up to the 60s.
Yes it would have😆
Would be nice to see him test this with a 60 tooth.
ok this may be a dumb question but dont they come with a 50 tooth and doesnt adding teeth slow top speed and increase torque i may be dumb but i thought thats how it works (sorry im new to modding mini bikes i got my first one last year and just bought a predator and torque converter 2 weeks ago everything has come in except the engine riser so i cant quite put it together yet)
@@WhoWasMae The 60 tooth would bring the engine RPM higher at speed where more power is available to drive the load. There should be more power to drive the load at 5000 RPM than there is at 4200 RPM. The problem with the 60 tooth is that it's useless if you are going to use a Juggernaut driver. The engine would top out at too low a road speed.
You question is not dumb at all because gearing is so important. The short version is that a sweet spot needs to be found because too much gearing in either direction doesn't work well.
If you would only gain some wait. Traction problem solved.
Yes, but then I would use more gas...
maybe a smaller sprocket in the back.
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. I used a 40 sprocket in a few different combos on this bike. ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
@@Black66 i watched your series, and i wonde why you went back to the 50 sprocket after coming down tot the 40, id be trying to tame the wheel climb...
@@MOAONAABE I like the 40 sprocket with the torque converter like in the Mega moto 212 video. With a staright chain I use a 60 sprocket to make the bike a little quicker and to be eaiser on the clutch.
Install boat tork converter
Thats scary with the brakes on those things. The brake is terrible
Yes, check out the Coleman hydraulic brake installation video. ua-cam.com/video/eHax9KYC0xo/v-deo.html
need the juggernaut tc to handle those rpms.
the series 30 tc maxes out at 3100 rpms where as the juggernaut handles 8300 top rpm
bigger driven sprocket and a smaller rear sprocket will also give you that top speed you want
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist I have used the juggernaut and many other combos on this bike. Got it to over 63 MPH! ua-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/v-deo.html
@@jakobjones1010 In this video the CT200U-EX does 60 MPH ! ua-cam.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/v-deo.html
Also check out the playlist on the channel for many more bikes with many more combos!
3100 RPM is with a completely stock engine and Coleman gearing. For years guys have drag raced with modified 30 series drivers launching their bikes at 4500+ RPM. You can't do that with a Juggernaut.
Mini bike straight chain increase torque
Those Speedo apps are not accurate at all
I use a DRAGY performance meter in all of the videos. Check out the playlist. it is VERY accurate!
Now go GROM hunting lol.
Also maybe throw a bigger rear sprocket for top speed?
Never ever worth loosing 10 mph!!! And u can barley keep it on the ground....Thanks for this all my friends swear by em and they never sold me!!! Lol Now I see why
If I use a straight chain will I need a longer chain and if so what will I need?🤔
Check out this video We get the bike to 63 MPH ua-cam.com/video/Up6TpJiopEo/v-deo.html
Ouu also what about the clutch and the sprocket how many teefs is it🤔😊
I have did so many videos and different combos with this bike its hard to remember a given video. Check out the CT00U-EX playlist for many combos with this bike. ua-cam.com/video/Up6TpJiopEo/v-deo.html
Thank you cause I have one sitting here I think ima get a 212 predator