TBM RECOVERY UPDATE!
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Kudos to the men on the beach who witnessed the ditch and swam out to help the pilot!!!
I worked at Vought Aircraft in Dallas for 33 yrs and did a little support work for restoration projects going on there. We all cared very much about the vintage planes but would have never condoned ditching so close to a beach as to put innocent lives in danger. In the 80s two pilots practicing in an F4 out of the NAS next door suffered serious engine failure but stayed with their plane and got it over one the very few uninhabited areas in Grand Prairie. Just as the plane was very low and no longer controllable they ejected. The plane crashed 200 yards from my home in that vacant area. Tony Cook took one and a half swings as his chute opened and he hit the ground hard. He suffered broken bones but he and his copilot saved lives on the ground, potentially my own. I recorded all the news reports on my vcr (a camera crew at another assignment captured the F4 incident) and connected with him years later and gave them to him compiled on a dvd. He too went on to be a commercial pilot for many years. They were heroes for serving our country like yourself Juan. Thank you for this great channel.
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That is so sad to me. I have to say however, that man was flying the heck out of that plane! Clearly he stalled it right above the water. It was beautiful.
I wish someone had told him about that smoke.
Thank you Juan.
Saved his Bose headset though.
That was my thought, too. In one shot you can clearly see both smoke from the aircraft and an airport below.
watch dan gryder's video and you may change your opinion.
I appreciate your guiding me to this channel and information. This makes me furious that he ran it 22 MINUTES after being told that his RADIAL engine was smoking. Preposterous.
Lots of times he was told about the smoke.
Just glad everybody is ok.
because you are jesus?
Love the “squirrel” comment. I consider myself as airplane simple. If I hear an airplane I simply have to see it.
Same for motorcycles, lol.
I live on the SE side of South Mountain, Phoenix, AZ. Ahwatukee... “Home of Our Dreams”. Directly under the flight path for PHX landing. (and the Phoenix Lights). Sometimes We don’t hear “stuff”. Looking up, we still see stuff. Luke AFB is just west of town.
Exactly!
I’m not a pilot but I drive my wife crazy when we’re walking and I stop and search the skies looking for that flying Squirrel.
Specially if it's a radial! 😋
Near n dear, modified WWII TBM's (painted bright orange) were the first air tankers (AKA "borate bombers") I saw on fires in 1967 when I started with CDF (Calif. Div. of Forestry, now Cal Fire) in San Diego County. They flew out of both Ramona and Ryan Air Attack Bases in SoCal. No mistaking that engine sound as they came in. A TBM was the first tanker to soak me in fire retardant as it hit our section of fire line.
This TBM was one of them!
Now imagine being a TBM/TBF crew having to ditch in the Pacific with no land or ships in sight. Brave souls.
in deep water these aircraft sank fast, and it was very common for the guys in the back to not get out before it sank.
Imagine Being a TBM pilot leaving out with your crew of two others flying on a bombing run with six other TBMs, where everybody dies but you, and you have to crash your plane by yourself in the middle of nowhere and float in the water praying you get rescued. Then a US submarine pops up and wisks you off and you eventually become President of the United States?
The pilot fucked up and ignored the safety of everyone on the beach. It's pure luck no-one was killed
@@TSemasFl Do you mean Al Gore? No, wait a minute. He didn't become president. Elizabeth Warren? No, wait, she wasn't president! Oh, you must mean Joe Biden! Lol
@@TSemasFl Now thats a life for you ! I also read he was the younbest Naval aviator in the US Navy during the war
Thanks for the update hopefully they can tear it down as much as needed and get it cleared cleaned and repaired
Thanks to your heads up, I have a ticket and RV spot in Wayne America. Now if the old 1977 Holiday Rambler can make the trip.
I worked for United Air Lines back in the late 60s when a Japan Airlines DC-8 landed in the SF Bay short of the runway. It was submerged up to the windows for over a week. They finally got it out and brought it over to the M.O.C. and I was one of the guys that worked to repair it. Needless to say, it was a mess inside the pits and the cabin. Anyway, after flushing it out with thousands of gallons of water, we used this stuff called "L.P.S." , spraying it everywhere on the inner structure. The short of it is, we were able to save it, and eventually it went back into service after many months of repair. The point is, I hope that stuff is still around. It not only displaced the water, but offered corrosion prevention as well.
It is!
@@blancolirio and just as useful
Thanks for your videos. They are a lot of fun to watch!
Love how the pilot saves the headset! 1000 dollar headset lives for another day.
Yea I saw that.
JB, glad you're back home safe needing a shave.
Thanks for clarifying my confusion as to why the TBM wasn't just lifted out.
Nice looking logo. Take care and fly safe. 🖖🏽🤟🏽
Makes me weep to see such a rare warbird torn up like that. It’ll take a long time and money to get her back in the air again.
Worth every penny and effort.
@vibratingstring let's hope they don't!
There are probably not a lot left in flyable condition!
I can't see this old TBM flying again.
Maybe its time to make the majority of these 70+year old birds static before they are all crashed into oblivion.
Its probably gonna take the parts from atleast 2 to fix this one economically, do you rob this one of parts to rebuild another? Or just fix it cheap for display? Atleast either way it'll probably stay out of the recycling plant 🤞
They dragged it backwards through the sand with the flaps down (flaps down backwards!!!) destroying the flaps, wings and belly. Also TBMs can be picked up using a single point harness where the front canopy is. Theses guys picked it up by the wings and tail. The salvage operation was worst than the accident
I wasn’t there, but that recovery just seems way wrong.
It should have been floated with airbags. Whoever thought of dragging it through the sand backwards should be shot.
@@Skyprince27 the people that made that decision don't give a damn about the Avenger, its history, or the damage caused to the aircraft. I bet that they had no idea that it was an aircraft in the first place, they probably thought it was a boat. And they probably thought that with what happened in the Suez Canal, didn't want to risk that happening again, they are complete and utter idiots in any case.
The pounding surf all night didn’t help either.
Adding insult to injury.
Wow Juan really love all the information on this video, don't know what to say all your videos are great and informative you never let us down. God bless you and your family.
Glad no one was hurt, but sad that additional damage resulted from the sand overnight and dragging it across the beach.
Planes of Fame Airshow in Chino, CA has moved this year to the last weekend in October. I know a volunteer, that is why I bring it up and I plan on going this year.
Excellent update Juan, thank you!!!
Thanks for the update. I wish the volunteers and restorers the energy to put that museum piece flying(?) again. God bless them.
Your reports, like this one, are always excellent. Thank you Juan.
Welcome home !! Thanks for this additional update.
Excellent report. Thank you for posting. Hope the TBM is back to the air soon!
It's a shame they wouldn't allow towing around. We ran an airport in Annapolis and we towed many an airplane by the nose and had no problem. I was involved in a couple of these. We used truck and tractor sized inner tubes with a nitrogen bottle to inflate. Pipers were a breeze as we could literally inflate wonder the wings and lift it literally out of the water with 5-6 tubes. We recovered one in the winter and it was cold but we did it and pulled it through 1/2 inch ice.
JUAN HI, YES I did see the TBM , on the beach, but it did elaborate as to how it got there . Well we will see how it progresses Stay well. regards to your family 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Saw these TBFs or TBMs, used as trainers at Fairchild Airforce base in the 50s. Cadets would land them in the dirt short of the runway most every time. Several touchdowns before reaching the pavement was the usual. Also as a health care provider in a VA hospital I had the opportunity to talk to a TBF pilot who flew them in WW II. He said the pilots called them flying coffins. They were sitting ducks on torpedo runs. The life expectancy of a pilot and gunner were just minutes in combat. Lovely to look at but a demon to fly.
Love that plane, built a model of it when I was a kid, in the 70's.
Thank you for the updates. Subscribed.
Thanks for the info, what a show to have been. Lucky man.
Thanks for doing such a thorough job on this story.
Lake Michigan is an excellent source of spare parts for TBM's
Well that had to be the "piece de resistance." Really sorry, but glad no one was hurt. The pilot did a masterful job. Good luck in the future with it. Hope the most prudent decisions are made.
I really hope they can get her fixed up again!! Flying again! I have to say the pilot did a super job ditching! Those things tended to want flip on ditching! Awesome pilot!
Nice work! Thanks for what you do sir!
I volunteered on a different project at this museum. The guy who ran the resto was really nice and let my teens all over the ACFT. Would drop a $20 in the jar every time I was there. I hope they are successful.
Thanks for the....Update my young friend...!
If not mentioned elsewhere, credit to Tom Reilly's B-25 "Killer B" and his photographer for the air-to-air shots of the TBM.
@American Patriot I am familiar with Tom's XP-82 project, I've been lucky enough to spend a number of years as a volunteer traveling for many vacations and weekends helping out where I could in Douglas on that AC with his full time crew. Attending KOSH in 2019 with them for it's debut there was a huge highlight. The Liberty Bell, or what is left of it, is undergoing a restoration there in Douglas also.
@American Patriot Your email in one of these messages didn't work, so..........
Hi American Patriot,
Sorry if I missed your given name in the comments.
I thought I'd write you at the email you provided in the YT comments about Tom Reilly. I'm passing all of your kind comments about the Flying Tigers Museum along to Tom and his wife Suzi. They'll be happy to hear all of that, as I know they hated losing all of those great aircraft to mother nature. I've never asked Tom how many of the AC from his museum are part of the Valient Air Command collection now, but when I was in Florida last year it seemed I recognized some as possibly from Flying Tigers.
Your recollection of what was in Tom's museum is amazing! At 61 I sometimes don't recall what I was thinking an hour ago! I've followed Kermit Weeks exploits on YT regarding Fantasy of Flight. It appears he still has plans to do something different with it over the next few years. I hope he is successful. He has the money to do it for sure. I met him at Oshkosh in 2019, he's a much shorter dude than he appears in his videos!
On a related note, (to the XP-82) did you know the son of Walter Soplata has written and published a book called "The B-25 In The Back Yard"? I believe it was published in 2019. It is a chronology of airplanes the Soplata's collected over the years and his experience as a kid growing up in that environment.
Thanks for the comments on the YT stuff. I have video and photos I've never posted as work and life have kept me from finding time. I was supposed to be in Douglas this week working on Liberty Bell with Tom's crew, but my job got in the way!
As a UK old aircraft fan I hope the old Bird can be repaired and put back where she belongs up in the air. The pilot did a superb job of getting her down all credit to him.
He just flew it over the
water until it reached stalling velocity (wherever that was going to be; the "runway" was enormously long) then let it drop nose up.
He might have did a good job of putting it on the water but he recklessly put the aircraft right amongst people in the water and did not attend the pre-show mandatory safety briefing and knew the engine had problems on takeoff and continued to fly. He was not supposed to be that close to the beach either
A family member was on the”Lady Be Good” Dad saw some of the recovered items. A real haunting story. Been interested in aircraft my whole life. Me too, I always look up. Always eager for my next Juan Brown fix.
Since TWA 800, I have been an aviation forensics fan....LOVE THIS CHANNEL! We watch regularly in our garage....Life Good~!
All the salt water in those poor bearings and hidden areas, a corrosion nightmare 😭 Plus, with the sudden stoppage, there is surely some internal damage to the Wright R-2600-20, and parts are hard to find these days for overhauls. 18 years hard restoration work gone in seconds.
Ahoy Aardvark old friend, take note! The damage done by the knuckle-dragging tow truck driver dragging the tail-frame backwards out of the surf was far greater than any damage done by the perfect ditch by the pilot!!!! Is there a more suitable way to exemplify "STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES"!? Whoever made that recovery decision should be horse whipped! I don't have a horse.
I saw a rogue wave drench the opened cockpit of two F-14s on the flight deck of the Carl Vinson. That was not a good day for the squadron.
Love the metallic logo...and the yellow and white on the black shirt. I always thought the dark black on white was too heavy. These have movement in them.
Squirrel!! Just like the rest of us, always looking up. ;)
[walks in] WHADDAYA DOIN? lol
Exciting report Juan. Anything can be restored. I wouldn't want to be the guy under it drilling "drain holes".
If you have to ditch...The TBM's fuselage shape lends itself well to last-minute conversion to a hull! Thanks, Juan.
Avengers were water-coffins. The engine is a giant scoop that slams them to a stop instantly - resulting in a flip over the nose, and upside-down crew drowning in their seats. The fact he landed this and stayed upright is testament to incredible skill.
It seemed to have filled up with water pretty quickly.
@ 4:11, "what in the heck is that"..... In my 60's now, not a flier, but I still go outside and have a look when I hear an aeroplane overhead and then check Flightradar24. Usually light stuff, sometimes airliners, occasionally military, always interesting. Just love the enthusiasm you have to go with your knowledge!
Authorities always cause as many problems as they .... good job on the recovery.
Also here in Alaska, the Valdez STOL airshow is May 28th - 30th 2021
That poor old Turkey! I sure hope she's restored and flys again!
Who else saw that first photo of the bird in slings and went "awwwwww maaaaannnnnn......." ? :(
Cheers for the update Juan. That logo looks bloody awesome!
This is almost enough to make a grown man cry, hope they rebuild ! The Pilot did an excellent job especially missing the swimmers. As always, Thanks for your reporting.
Wish he hadn't needed to miss the swimmers. That's like saying "I landed on the freeway during rush hour, but don't worry, everybody managed to swerve out of my way at the last instant."
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_III Sometimes the old birds just crash. Unfortunate, but true.
@@kennymike73 For sure they do! Which is why they require more careful handling and preparation. My only issue is with the chosen ditching site.
You can't be trying to land on a busy beach to save your skin and your plane, I'm sorry. He could have gone 10 meters further out and been fine, but it appears (to those in the know) that once the beach was clearly blocked, his priority became ditching in shallow water at all costs so the (extremely expensive, rare and historically valuable) plane wouldn't sink and be totally lost.
You don't get to prioritize the airframe over civilian lives, I don't care if you're flying the Spirit of St. Louis. If the beach and the surf were both occupied, he should have put it down in the deep water and let it sink. I suspect the FAA will agree.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_III the camera made it look closer than it actually was
@@SuperAWaC Merely speculation, but I hope you're right. I don't like seeing the warbird community harmed and the FAA will not be gentle in this political climate.
Cheers, for this update.
I like the field work 3 day growth.
Been watching you for quite some time mate. Still great content. Well done. Big love from across the pond.
Thanks for the TBM update. I don’t even bother to find that info any please else. Hope you will be able to give us additional updates as it is brought back to life. It's engine failure is of great interest to many of us.
Thanks for sharing this with us.
thats so sad to see that beauty damaged. Hats off to the volunteers for all their hard work
THANKS from switzerland
I love the TBM Avenger... a really tough, sturdy plane with such a dangerous mission. I'm sorry for everyone who put in the time to restore it, and will have to do it again... but thankfully the pilot was able to walk/swim away from it.
It makes you wonder, though, whether anybody should still be flying 70-80 year old aircraft. They may not be air-worthy enough anymore... and the survivors ought to be preserved in museums.
When I was a kid in the 60's living in SW Washington we would hear the sound barrier broken occasionally. There was a bomb range just south of the Columbia River in Oregon. We never saw the culprits though.
Great TBM Recovery Vlog, thanks for sharing
WW2 planes were absolutely gorgeous. Sad story about this one. Glad no one was hurt.
Thank you 👍 for sharing 👍
That metal logo is sweeeeet!! I spied that at the end of your Sun n Fun vids. REAL NICE!!
I see and have to deal with what salt does to equipment up here in MA every single day, and it ain't pretty! Takes a $60,000 pickup and turns it to scrap in 12 years flat. I'd want to get that aircraft submerged in fresh water ASAP - I can only imagine the rust that's already forming in places you can't see. Makes me cringe!
She's going to need a TON of work, unfortunately, but at least she wasn't destroyed completely, and the pilot walked away with zero ground based casualties. That's not too bad of a day given the circumstances.
Another good update Juan! 👀👍
Thank you for the video.
You must live close to Beale AFB, I always run outside to watch the Dragon Ladies do their approaches and touch-n-goes here at the Chico airport.
Your earlier video raised the potential for an early divert if the pilot had been notified that he was smoking while he was still close to Cape Canaveral. This pilot was flying solo, BUT if either the radio operator or turret gunner seat were filled those occupants might have been able to sound the alarm earlier. Trade off; more in the plane more at risk, but better situational awareness.
Sudden stoppage damage can go unseen. I wish them the best in restoration. RIP Kelly Kreeger.
My grampa made a beach landing in a TBF, somewhere along the Florida coast, back in 1943!
I say wash it out really good, put it on static and onto the list of rebuilds. I bet the museum has a list of projects. Someday she will be worth rebuilding again.
When you said "Squirrel" I about lost it!! Yup yup!! Great vlog as usual.
I love this channel, because it makes me feel normal when I hear an unfamiliar aircraft flying above me, and instinctively also do the "squirrel!" take while trying to locate & identify the unusual aircraft sound if I can't locate/identify it on FlightAware or Flight Radar24 lol
As a pilot and A and P, and lover of round engines, it makes me sad that it happened as I know how much effort it will take to make it air worthy again. At least it was a good landing for the pilots sake! Dave Ormond Beach, Fl.
I squirrel all the time with the T-38s from Beale AFB. I live under the approach for KSMX (Santa Maria) and they fly here often.
Thanks Juan
You’re having big fun this Spring 🤠🤠
Juan, It was a pleasure meeting you at Sun N Fun. Love your channel. Can't wait for your next video.
Thanks Robert!
Thats really sad for TBM. Glad no body was injured. Amazing ditching images and vid. It will take another 10 years to go through it and make it flyable again. Heartbreaking in that regard.
Had I know you were there! Would have loved to shake the hand of someone I admire!
Excellent series. 🎸
Thanks. A fantastic channel.
It's a shame that after such a careful slow touchdown with probably minimal damage, the aircraft is virtually written off by the recovery effort :(
How would you do it genius,share your salvage knowledge with us.
@@daviddowling9830 They had the right idea to get inflatable bags under it, and after they were denied the ability to float it elsewhere (which they should have just ignored and done anyway, worry about how much legal teeth local authorities have later), but at least float it enough to get in and manually pump the gear down, turn it around and tow it up the beach on it's wheels. If towed from the axles it would come up the sand without too much problem, and not likely to nose over.
I've been involved in recovering sunken amphibious DHC Beavers that have sunk or been blown over in storms and the like.
@@daviddowling9830 There's your expert, yo.
Overnight in the surf led to sand filling the wing.
They kept it out of the intercoastal waterway because fuel and oil would leak into a fragile ecosystem, cause massive eco damage.
@@tomlewis9783 there’s not enough oil and fuel in that plane to cause major environmental damage.
Worst-case, the aircraft becomes a beautiful static display. But I’ve seen aircraft restored to flying condition from much worse damage, and it appears most of the structural damage is just to the skin (though there are a few clear exceptions).
I should mention that during WWII the British used salt-water sprays for the fire suppression system for their carriers (almost universally considered the best of the three major carrier powers). Naturally, after use the aircraft would have to be reconditioned before returning to service. They were termed “flyable duds” in this case, usually given enough of a once-over to fly over to a maintenance carrier for full repairs: there were about 25 of these after _Formidable’s_ May 1945 hangar fire, including some Avengers. This TBM-3 is a bit worse off than those, but that shows how resilient these naval aircraft are.
Thanks for the update! Keep them coming, please, regardless of the outcome. There are too few of these historic aircraft in existence; hope this one is salvageable. Also, please post any info on opportunities to donate to the effort.
Such a beautiful aircraft. !:- )
Thank you!!
I really do hope they get it all sorted out and flying again. There seems to be quite a bit of damage due to the salvage operation, but with a lot of time investment and $$ all will hopefully be well.
So sad to see. Hope they bring her back. Thanks for the update.
It's heart-breaking seeing that magnificent warbird awash in saltwater. I can't imagine how the pilot feels as he's getting out of the cockpit. At least no one was hurt - that's a big positive.
Absolutely heartbreaking! Hope they can bring her back to her former glory!
Finally saw the smoke from the right bank. Bummer for all concerned. glad there were no fatalities.
Good report!!!!
I always drop everything and "look up" whenever I hear a plane as well. lol
A radial sounds like no other!! Same with a p51. No other!!!
I scared my wife yesterday when i jumped up and yelled B-25 and ran outside.
Curt, hi do the same thing, am very near KEWR, but the ONLY flights overhead, must be a. SID, TO EUROPE , also in flight line to KTEB, so all the privates/corporate fly RIGHT overhead, but ceiling had been so low, could NOT SEE THEM ,,but hear them , G2, 3., 4 ENGINES HOWL RR engines cheers 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
helicopters too.
Done the same since I was a kid and still do.
Great video!!
Sad... Thanks for the quick update! Besides, I Never knew Squirrel was a T-38...
Rocky J. Squirrel!
Glad to see its up out of the salt!! and on its way to restoration.!!!
@@marvindebot3264 No maybe about it. (but not really funny) Without doubt itll run into6 digits.-to the left of the decimal point.!!
Greetings from Greenwich London ⚓️ ⛵️ 🏰
✌️ 😎 👍
Beautiful aircraft
They need to bring it up to us in Grass Valley! I think we know how to fix those up Juan!
She is home and in Loving hands. Cheers All! Do update with the efforts to make fight worthy.
The “Squirrel” comment cracked me up. I do the same thing.
Poor birdie.
Oooo! We can donate!